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>>> WELCOME TO OWE "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.""

ANOTHER ARRESTED FOR NOT LEAVING WHEN ASKED.

THIS WEEK THERE WERE NO ARRESTS, JUST CHANTING, SIPPING IN PRAYERS.

AFTER A FEW HOURS THE LEADERS OF THE PROTEST SAID IT'S TIME TO GO, AND THEY DID.

POLICE WERE THERE AND PLAYED ONLY AN OBSERVER'S ROLE.

IT WAS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT UCLA, COLUMBUS AND WASHINGTON SAW THIS WEEK.

>>> OHIO PRO PALESTINE PROTESTS REMAIN RELATIVELY CALM.

>>> WELCOME TO ""COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.""

A GATHERING AT OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY THIS WEEK.

36 DEMONSTRATORS WERE ARRESTED FOR NOT LEAVING THE SOUTH OVAL WHEN ASKED.

THIS WEEK THERE WERE NO ARRESTS, JUST CHANTING, SINGING AND PRAYERS.

THE LEADERS SAID, IT'S TIME TO GO AND THEY DID.

POLICE WERE THERE AND PLAYED ONLY AN OBSERVER'S ROLE.

IT WAS A MUCH DIFFERENT SCENE THAN WHAT UCLA, COLUMBUS SAW THIS WEEK.

WHY DO YOU THINK OHIO STATE PROTESTS WERE MUCH MORE CALM THAN UCLA AND COLUMBIA?

>> WE'RE HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS.

HARD TO SAY FOR SURE BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY THE STUDENTS ARE BRINGING ATTENTION TO A LOT OF THE LOSS OF LIFE THAT'S HAPPENING IN CONNECTION TO THE GAZA CONFLICT.

WE ALSO NEED TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT THERE ARE HOSTAGES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN RETURNED, BUT I THINK OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE METHOD OF PROTEST AND THE NATURE AND THE TIMING OF PROTESTS BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT'S THE ACTUAL ISSUE BEING DISCUSSED AND THE LIVES INVOLVED.

>> A PROFESSOR AT OS USAID IF THE DEBATE'S OVER ALL OF FREE SPEECH, IT'S OVER.

THEY'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT PALESTINIANS IN GAZA AND HOW THE WAR IS BEING FOUGHT.

>> POLICE DID NOT ALLOW THE ENCAMPMENT TO TAKE HOLD.

THERE WAS ARGUMENT IF THE TENTS AREN'T CAUSING A PROBLEM, THEY SHOULD LET THEM STAY OVERNIGHT.

AS YOU SAW IN UCLA, THE ENCAMPMENT BECAME A BARRICADE AND IT GOT OUT OF CONTROL.

WAS IT THE RIGHT CALL NOT TO ALLOW THE TENTS TO STAY IN.

>> YEAH.

YOU CAN ALWAYS NITPICK AROUND THE EDGES BUT BASICALLY OHIO STATE HAS DONE THIS RESPONSE JUST ABOUT RIGHT.

THEY'VE RECOGNIZED THE RIGHTS FOR FREE SPEECH BUT THEY'VE ALSO RECOGNIZED, THIS MAY GO TO SOMEWHAT THE POPULATION OF THE STUDENT BODY, IS THAT THEIR PARENTS HAVE SACRIFICED A LOT TO GET THEM HERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT CHEAP AND THEY'VE WORKED HARD AND THE STUDENT BODY HERE UNDERSTANDS THIS IS A RIGHT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO CLASS, SOMETHING THEY NEED TO RESPECT.

>> MEMORIES OF THE 2020 PROTESTS, BOTH THE BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTS IN 2020 AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE ANTI-SHUTDOWN PROTESTS WE SAW AT THE STATEHOUSE.

IT'S STILL FRESH IN ALL OF OUR MEMORY.

DO YOU THINK THAT HAS AN INFLUENCE IN HOW EACH OF THESE ARE HANDLED?

>> EACH CAUSE IS SPECIFIC TO THE CONCERNS AT THE TIME AND THE STUDENTS ARE BRINGING UP SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

SO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND EVERYTHING.

SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO COMPARE EACH OF THEM.

>> COLUMBUS, THEY'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE AS OSU.

OSU -- THE COLUMBUS POLICE, OSU REQUESTED THEM TO COME AND HELP.

COLUMBUS POLICE SAY THEY DECLINED AND -- BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY DIDN'T LIKE THE -- WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ASKED TO DO.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT, MORGAN?

THEY TOOK A LOT OF HEAT AFTER THE BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTS.

>> I'M NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS IN EITHER OF THE FORCES.

I HAVE NOTED AND I'VE BEEN PART OF DIFFERENT ACTIONS RELATED TO THE UTILITY WORK WE'VE DONE, YOU ENGAGE THE DIALOGUE TEAM FROM THE COLUMBUS POLICE DEPARTMENT A THAT WAS ONE OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THEY MADE.

IN SOME WAYS FOLKS WEREN'T USED TO SEEING LARGE SCALE PROTESTS WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND YOU MAKE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS THERE.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE THOUGH IS THERE ARE STILL, I BELIEVE, ABOUT 40 PEOPLE THAT GOT CHARGES, CRIMINAL TRESPASSING AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST USE OF RESOURCES FOR PROSECUTION SO HOPEFULLY THOSE CHARGES WILL BE DROPPED ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'VE SEEN THE PROTESTS ARE BEING MANAGED IN A FAIRLY RESPONSIBLE WAY HERE.

>> THEY INDICATED THAT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.

THE CASES WERE ORIGINALLY CONTINUED AND I THINK THE THINKING IS THEY WERE JUST TRESPASSING, NO RESISTING ARREST OR VANDALISM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SHOULD THE UNIVERSITY LEADERS WHO DIDN'T MEET WITH THE PROTESTORS AT LSU, THEY MET AT OTHER CAMPUSES.

>> THEY PROBABLY MADE THE RIGHT CALL.

THIS IS GOING TO SOUND HORRIFYING TO SOME FOLKS, BUT I REMEMBER QUITE WELL AND LIVED THROUGH THE 1968-1969 STUDENT RIOTS, OKAY?

I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL BUT OUR TEACH INJURIES AND OUR STUDENT TEACHERS CAME IN AND TOLD US WHAT IT WAS LIKE ON THEIR COLLEGE CAMPUSES DURING THAT.

TO GIVE YOU A CASE OF HOW MUCH BETTER THEY HANDLED IT THIS TIME, IN '68 AND '69 THEY WOULD, IN ADDITION TO SHOOTING AND KILLING FOUR KIDS AT KENT STATE, WHICH STILL AS YOU CAN TELL MY BLOOD PRESSURE IS GOING UP JUST REMEMBERING THAT, AND NO ONE GOT CHARGED EVER FOR THAT MURDER, BUT THEY WERE INDISCRIMINATELY THROWING TEAR GAS AROUND COLLEGE CAMPUSES WHICH MEANT WE DIDN'T HAVE AIR CONDITIONING BACK THEN.

IT WAS A WARM MAY, ALL OF THE WINDOWS WERE OPEN.

ALL OF A SUDDEN THOSE STUDENTS HAD TO EMPTY THEIR BUILDINGS ADDING TO THE CHAOS.

THEY'VE LEARNED A LOT AND THEY'VE BEEN MUCH MORE I THINK ONCE AGAIN I GO BACK TO SAY GOOD JOB.

BOY, THE KENT STATE THING, MY COMMENT -- MY REACTION ON THAT STILL SURPRISES ME TO THIS DAY.

>> THE ANNIVERSARY IS THIS WEEKEND.

>> YEAH.

>> SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE HAVE MORE AIR CONDITIONING AND THEY CAN ORGANIZE PROTESTS AND CAN TAKE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT, SPREAD RUMORS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES.

YOU SEE POLITICIANS WEIGHING IN IMMEDIATELY.

REPUBLICANS ARE ACCUSING DEMOCRATS OF BEING TOO SOFT.

DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO RESPECT FREE SPEECH BUT ALSO WANT STUDENTS TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY THIS BECAME A POLITICAL ISSUE IN OHIO.

>> WILL IT CHANGE ANYTHING, MORGAN?

>> THE -- >> PROTESTS, YEAH.

>> I THINK IT ALREADY HAS.

HAVING THIS LEVEL OF WIDE SCALE ACTION ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HAVING THIS MANY YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING OUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT AS PERFECTLY IN UNISON MESSAGE, FAIRLY CONSISTENTLY SAYING WE ARE QUESTIONING THE USE OF RESOURCES, U.S. RESOURCES HERE IN THIS CONFLICT AND SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF THAT.

I THINK THE POLITICS HERE ARE ALSO VERY INTERESTING.

GETTING BACK TO THE U.S. SENATE RACE.

SAW THEM GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM J.D.

VANCE.

HE USUALLY GOES IN LOCK STEP WITH J.D.

VANCE.

HE'LL FIND HIMSELF IN AN ODD POSITION OF BEING SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT.

THE ALIGNMENT, THE COALITION AROUND QUESTIONING SOME OF THE SPENDING IS DIVERSE IN CERTAIN WAYS AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW IT AFFECTS LONG-TERM U.S. POLICY MAKING.

>> SUPPORTERS OF RAISING OHIO'S MINIMUM WAGE CONTINUE TO COLLECT SIGNATURES TO GET AN AMENDMENT IF THEY COLLECT THE SIGNATURES AND IF VOTERS APPROVE, OHIO'S MINIMUM WAGE WOULD RISE TO $15 AN HOUR.

TIPPED EMPLOYEES WOULD GET $15 AN HOUR.

THEY NOW MAKE $5.25 AN HOUR.

IT ONLY PROVIDES A MODEST INCREASE FOR TIPPED WORKERS.

BILL BLESSING OF SUBURBAN CINCINNATI SAYS HIS BILL WOULD BE BETTER FOR WORKERS AND BUSINESSES.

JESSE BALMERT, THEY HAVE NOT SUPPORTED THIS.

SO WHY THE CHANGE IN HEART?

>> REPUBLICAN SENATORS INCLUDING BILL BLESSING SEE THIS AS POPULAR.

IF IT GETS ON THE BALLOT, IT'S LIKELY TO PASS SO ARE PROPOSING AN ALTERNATIVE, WHETHER THIS IS THE 11th HOUR TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE OR WHETHER THIS IS A VIABLE SOLUTION IS SOMETHING THEY'RE GOING TO DEBATE IN THE LEGISLATURE.

TO YOUR POINT, THERE ARE A FEW KEY DIFFERENCES.

ONE IS THE TIPPED WORKERS WOULD ONLY INCREASE TO $7.50.

IT WOULD HAPPEN OVER THROUGH 2028 VERSUS THE BALLOT MEASURE WOULD BE QUICKER.

WE'RE INTRIGUED TO SEE IT END THERE.

WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS THIS PARK CAGE GETS, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE STATE OF THE OHIO LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW AND THEIR ABILITY TO PASS LEGISLATION.

>> HOW MUCH ARE LAWMAKERS WATCHING WHAT HAPPENED WITH MARIJUANA AND WITH THE ABORTION RIGHTS AMENDMENT, GENE, TO TRY TO PREEMPT THIS VOTE IN NOVEMBER?

>> I THINK THEY'RE TAKING -- I THINK SENATOR BILL BLESSING IS TAKING A VERY POLITICALLY ASTUTE AND STRATEGIC STEP HERE BY TRYING TO SEE SOME MORAL HIGH GROUND ON THIS.

WITH THE TAX CREDITS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK IT'S -- LEAVING ASIDE ALL OF THE POLICY, IMPLICATIONS ON ALL SIDES, BUT POLITICALLY THIS WAS BRILLIANT.

>> IS THIS A GOOD IDEA, MORGAN?

LAWMAKERS WOULD INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE, GET THIS TAX CREDIT, MORE MONEY TO FOLKS ON THE LOWER INCOME SCALE?

>> IT'S A VERY, VERY POPULAR POLICY ISSUE.

I DO THINK, YEAH, THIS BILL IS COMING PARTLY IN RESPONSE TO WHAT SOME MIGHT DESCRIBE AS A THREAT, OTHERS AS AN OPPORTUNITY OF THE BALLOT ISSUE WE HAVE AND THE PRIOR SUCCESSES.

LOOK, WE DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS WILL GO IN THE LEGISLATURE.

I STILL THINK THE BALLOT INITIATIVE IS QUITE IMPORTANT.

IT IS DIFFERENT AND WEAKER IN CERTAIN RESPECTS AND MORE THAN ANYTHING IT COULD BE FURTHER WATERED DOWN THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

MAKING SURE THAT THE BALLOT ISSUES PASS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A PRIORITY FOR A LOT OF PROGRESSIVES, INDEPENDENT, PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT HAVING MONEY TO GET BY THROUGHOUT OHIO.

>> DOES THIS HAVE SUPPORT, JESSE, IN THE LEGISLATURE?

>> IT'S HARD TO SAY.

SOME IDEAS ARE IDEAS THAT REPUBLICANS HAVEN'T GOT IN BEHIND BEFORE, THINGS LIKE INCREASING THE MINIMUM WAGE TO $15.

THINGS LIKE MAKING THE TAX CREDIT REFUNDABLE VERSUS THE CURRENT METHOD.

IF YOU HIT A POINT WHERE THE CREDIT IS MORE THAN YOU OWE, YOU DON'T GET AMERICAN BACK.

YOU DON'T GET A REFUND.

THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THAT IF IT PASSED.

THOSE ARE IDEAS THAT DEMOCRATS ARE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT BUT THEY'RE ALSO MAYBE EXCITED ABOUT THE BALLOT ISSUE TOO.

>> WOULD DEMOCRATS SUPPORT THIS WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT GET THE ISSUE ON THE BALLOT AND HELPING THEIR CANDIDATES IN THE FALL?

>> IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THEY COULD PASS THIS AND PASS THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

IT COULD TRUMP THIS AND YOU WOULD HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL CREDIT.

>> THE TIPPED EMPLOYEES GETTING EQUAL MINIMUM WAGE, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN PAID LESS BECAUSE THE THINKING IS THAT THE TIPS GET THEIR WAGES UP.

THE EMPLOYERS DON'T HAVE TO PAY, IT'S THE CUSTOMER THAT PAYS.

IS THAT A GOOD IDEA, HAVE ONE MINIMUM WAGE NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHETHER YOU'RE A DISHWASHER OR A SERVER.

>> THAT'S WHAT THE EUROPEANS DO THIS.

I SAID THIS ON THE SHOW SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR 15 MONTHS I TIPPED CONSISTENTLY AT 40%.

AND MY BUDGET STAYED THE SAME.

THE SERVERS GOT A LOT MORE MONEY.

THE RESTAURANT GOT A LOT LESS BECAUSE I ORDERED WATER AND NOT ICED TEA, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE OR SIX YEARS NOW.

AT NO POINT IN TIME HAS ANYBODY WHO SUPPORTS INCREASING THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR SERVERS HAS EVER SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, I'M GOING TO DO IT.

BECAUSE YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY DO THIS 40% TIPPING BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IMPACTS YOU, YOURSELF, THE SERVER AND THE RESTAURANT.

IF YOU DO THIS, MORE RESTAURANTS WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE THEIR MARGINS WILL DECLINE.

>> THAT'S THE ARGUMENT, MORGAN.

RESTAURANTS WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD, SMALL RESTAURANTS, WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY THEIR FOLKS IF THEY GET A $10 AN HOUR RAISE.

>> I THINK WE'RE IN THIS ERA WHERE FOLKS ARE RE-EVALUATING HOW CERTAIN BUSINESS MODELS WORK AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE MEETING OUR GOALS AS A COMMUNITY, AS A SOCIETY, AS AN ECONOMY.

THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE EXPLOITED BY HAVING THE TIPPED WAGE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE IN RESTAURANTS THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH REVENUE, MAYBE NOT AS FANCY OF AN ENVIRONMENT.

THIS IS TRYING TO BRING SOME EQUITY THERE.

OVERALL WE SEE WHEN THE MINIMUM WAGE IS INCREASED IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS.

IT KEEPS THE ECONOMY STRONG.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING HOW THAT APPLIES TO THE INDUSTRY.

>> HOW DOES THIS PLAY OUT IN THE CAMPAIGN.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR THING FOR THE OPPONENTS, THAT THE RESTAURANTS WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

RESTAURANT BILL WILL GO UP AND THE TIPPED WORKERS WON'T BE MAKING MORE MONEY.

>> IT'S NOT SURPRISING.

THE OHIO RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION AND GROUPS COME OUT PRETTY STRONGLY AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL, CONCERNED ABOUT CLOSURE OF SMALL BUSINESSES OR SO FORTH.

THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER IF THIS MAKES THE BALLOT.

>> THIS WEEK FEATURED ANOTHER BATTLE IN IN THE FEUD BETWEEN HOUSE SPEAKER JASON STEPHENS AND SENATE PRESIDENT MATT HUFFMAN AND THEIR SUPPORTERS.

HUFFMAN WILL MOVE TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF TERM LIMITS.

HE WANTS TO BE SPEAKER.

STEPHENS WANTS TO KEEP HIS JOB.

THE RIVALRY HAS DIVIDED HOUSE MEMBERS.

THIS WEEK STEPHENS PURGED SIX MEMBERS FROM THEIR CHAIR MEMBERSHIPS.

THEY GAVE DONATIONS TO THE PRIMARY CAMPAIGNS OF OPPONENTS OF INCUMBENT OPPONENTS.

GENE KREBS, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN, YOU'VE SERVED AND WATCHED FOR A LONG TIME, A MOVE LIKE THIS WHERE SIX CHAIR MEN ARE STRIPPED OF THEIR POST?

>> I'VE NEVER SEEN IT BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED.

WHEN I WAS UP THERE 32 YEARS AGO NOW I WAS CAUTIONED, WHATEVER YOU DO, MAKE SURE THAT NEITHER YOU NOR YOUR SPOUSE EVER GIVE ANY MONEY TO -- FOR EXAMPLE, TO A DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE.

DOESN'T MATTER IF THAT'S YOUR BROTHER-IN-LAW, SISTER, WHATEVER, DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MONEY.

TWO, DON'T FINANCIALLY SUPPORT ANYBODY RUNNING AGAINST ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES.

WE WILL SHUN YOU.

>> UNWRITTEN RULE?

>> NOT WRITTEN DOWN.

>> YES.

>> BUT IT'S TOLD TO FRESHMEN REPEATEDLY WITH A 2X4 ACROSS THE FOREHEAD, LET ME TELL YOU.

AND IT'S -- AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW FROM THESE FOLKS IS IT'S JUST SO PERFECTLY FALLING ALL THE HISTORICAL PATTERNS.

THERE'S TOO MANY OF THE RULING ELITES IN THE OHIO HOUSE AND IN THE SENATE AND THEY'RE HAVING THESE BATTLES AND IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE.

IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WORSE.

BUT IT'S A PROBLEM.

>> ALL OF THE UNWRITTEN RULES, DEMOCRATS DON'T VOTE FOR REPUBLICAN SPEAKER.

THEY DON'T LOOK FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO GET THE JOB.

ALL THE NORMS HAVE BEEN TOSSED ASIDE.

>> YEAH.

LARRY HOUSEHOLDER WAS ELECTED WITH SUPPORT FROM DEMOCRATS.

THE MOST RECENT HOUSE SPEAKER WAS ELECTED WITH THE SUPPORT OF DEMOCRATS.

YOU'RE SEEING ORGANIZATIONS GET INVOLVED IN A PRIMARY IN WAYS THEY HAVEN'T BEFORE.

A LOT OF SPENDING ON THESE RACES.

RUNNING AGAINST ONE'S OWN PARTY.

SO IT'S JUST A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD, BUT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU AND ME, FOR THE AVERAGE VOTER ARE, YOU KNOW, PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT ARE NOT GOING FORWARD OR GOING FORWARD MUCH QUICKER THAN THEY WOULD HAVE EDGE WISE.

THERE IS A REAL IMPACT OF THIS KIND OF PALACE INTRIGUE.

>> DEMOCRATS CAN BE CALLED ON, MORGAN, TO PLAY A ROLE IN THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

WHAT ROLE SHOULD THEY PLAY?

SHOULD THEY TRY TO GET THE BEST DEAL THEY CAN OUT OF WHOEVER RUNS?

>> I THINK SO.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN LEVERAGE.

WE SAW THAT HAPPEN BEFORE.

IT'S INTERESTING GETTING BACK TO THE PRIMARY POINT.

GIVEN THE LEVEL OF GERRYMANDERING, THE PRIMARY IS ALL YOU'VE GOT.

THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN AND THE WHOLE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ORDER AS A PARTY AND ENFORCE THESE NORMS IS -- I THINK THAT'S OUT THE WINDOW HERE.

IT'S FRUSTRATING TO REGULAR PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT THE PARTY MACHINATIONS.

THEY WANT PEOPLE TO DO THEIR JOBS.

>> THIS IS INSIDE BASEBALL.

IT'S IMPORTANT BASEBALL.

CAN SUPPORTERS OF THE REDISTRICTING, EMMA GENE, USE THIS.

>> IT'S A TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENT.

LET'S GO BACK TO OCTOBER OF '22.

A POLE, 6% IS DEEMED OF DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB.

NOW MY MENTOR, JOHN BOEHNER ONCE SAID TO ME, KREBSY, ANY TIME YOU GET BELOW 9 THE%, THAT'S FRIENDS AND FAMILY TERRITORY.

THAT MEANS 1/3 OF THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY DON'T LIKE THE JOB THEY'RE DOING.

GUYS AND GALS, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, WHEN YOU ARE DIGGING A HOLE, YOU PUT DOWN A SHOVEL.

YOU STOP THE DIGGING.

>> THAT'S WHAT MY WIFE TELLS ME ALL THE TIME.

>> YEAH.

>> THEY'RE CALLING STEPHENS A DICTATOR.

VERN RICE BUGS MY PHONE AND HAS MY OFFICE RIFLED EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DICTATORS.

NO, STEPHENS ISN'T A DICTATOR.

DON'T BESMIRCH THE TERM.

>>> JOSH MANDEL IS BACK IN THE NEWS.

THEY MADE UNAUTHORIZED VISITS TO EACH OTHER'S HOMES AND MANDEL'S DIVORCE HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS.

THEY FILED FOR DIVORCE IN A COUNTY WHERE THEY DID NOT LIVE AND A DIFFERENT ASHLAND COURT JUDGE SEALED THOSE.

THEY SUED TO GET ACCESS TO THOSE RECORDS.

I WOULD SAY THE RECORDS WERE SEALED BY A JUDGE WHO WAS NOT IN THE COUNTY WHERE THEY WERE LIVING.

SO JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME.

>> MORGAN, DIVORCES CAN BE REALLY NASTY AND UGLY AND THINGS ARE SAID, ACCUSATIONS ARE MADE AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE KIDS INVOLVED.

IT'S REALLY NOT A GOOD BUSINESS.

SHOULD THESE RECORDS BE PUBLIC?

HE WAS A CANDIDATE.

THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW.

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW HOW YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF.

YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS A NEED FOR TRANSPARENCY HERE.

IT'S SOMETHING TO PROPERLY COVER.

>> I'M LOOKING AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, THE HIGHER YOU MOVE UP THE POLITICAL FOOD CHAIN, THE LESS CIVIL RIGHTS AND RIGHTS TO PRIVACY YOU HAVE.

YOU GET TO BE AT THE VERY TOP.

THE PRESIDENT, EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE YOUR TAX RETURNS.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE YOUR HEALTH RECORDS.

YOU HAVE ZERO PRIVACY AT THAT LEVEL AND JOSH MANDEL HAS UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIM ENCOUNTERED THE SAME THING HERE.

>> BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET DIVORCED YOU MAY NOT BE A CANDIDATE.

YOU MAY NOT BE A PUBLIC FIGURE.

THOSE RECORDS ARE PUBLIC.

SHOULD THEY BE IS THE QUESTION?

FOR YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS TO RIFLE THROUGH IT ESPECIALLY ONLINE?

>>> LET'S GET TO OUR LAST TOPIC.

SPORTS.

A NEW BROWNS STADIUM IN OR NEAR CLEVELAND.

THE LATEST PLAN IS ABOUT $2.5 BILLION.

IT WOULD COST $2.5 BILLION.

A DOMED STADIUM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY NEAR THE CLEVELAND AIRPORT.

SO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT THE PLANS CALL FOR MUCH OF THE STADIUM TO BE BUILT BELOW GROUND SO THEY DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF THE PLANES.

AS FOR WHO MIGHT PAY FOR IT, THE OWNERS WANT LOCAL AND STATE PLAYERS.

HELP PAY THEM FOR A NEW STADIUM.

>> WELL, THEY HAVE HELPED PAY FOR STADIUMS BEFORE.

I'VE NOT SEEN A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THIS SO FAR.

IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT.

MIGHT COME IN THE NEXT BUDGET BUT WE'VE SEEN MONEY GO TOWARDS LIKE THAT CINCINNATI PROJECT TO CREW OTHER STADIUMS.

I IMAGINE THERE WOULD BE SOME SUPPORT FOR THIS.

>> MORGAN, IN BIGGER CITIES, THE OWNERS PAY FOR THEIR OWN STADIUMS.

WHY DO YOU THINK OTHER CITIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY IN OTHER STATES HELP PAY FOR THESE STADIUMS?

>> BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN WITH THE PROGRAM YET.

THE RESEARCH INDICATES THAT THESE ARE COMPLETE WASTES OF MONEY.

THEY DON'T ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE ECONOMY AROUND THEM.

THEY'RE A TOTAL BOONDOGGLE.

SO TO CONTINUE TO USE TAXPAYER RESOURCES TO FUND BE THIS KIND OF STADIUM OVER EDUCATION, HEALTH NEEDS IS BONKERS AND WE SHOULD RUN AWAY FROM THESE TYPES OF SUBSIDIES AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

>> THE OWNER ISN'T GOING TO MOVE THE TEAM OUT OF NEW YORK SO THEY PROBABLY WON'T HAVE LEVERAGE.

WE SAW THE BROWNS MOVE.

WE SAW THE COLUMBUS CREW MOVE UNTIL THEY GOT THE STADIUM.

>> NOW WE HAVE THE WAR OF THE WARRING WHITE PAAPE JOERS ON THIS TOPIC.

I'VE SEEN SOME ECONOMISTS WHO SAY IT'S AT BEST A WASH, OKAY?

THE BEST INVESTMENT IS FOR YOUR PUBLIC DOLLAR FOR SPENDING YOUR BOND OBLIGATIONS AS THEY DO SEWER PLANT BUT MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THE LOCATION AT BROOK PARK IS SECURITY.

IT BECOMES TOO TEMPTING A TERROR RILS TARGET.

>> PEOPLE SAY IT'S NOT A CONVENIENT SPOT.

IT'S HARD TO GET TO.

THERE'S A FORD PLANT NEARBY BUT -- >> WE'VE GOT TO COMPARE OUR RESOURCES.

I HAVE A RESOURCE LOOKING AT 130 STUDIES OVER 30 YEARS SAYING THERE'S NO IMPACT.

WE'RE GETTING A WASH, THAT'S NO GOOD.

USUALLY THE ARGUMENT AGAINST THESE THINGS IS IT'S PRITZKER.

NO ONE DENIES IT.

>> THE OTHER STADIUMS.

THE PROGRESSIVE FIELD THAT THE GUARDIANS PLAY.

>> A RECENT WHITE PAPER WAS CALLED IT'S GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY.

CAN YOU DEFEND IT?

DEMOCRATIC DECLINE, THIS OFFER ASSOCIATED WITH ECONOMIC BAD, INSTABILITY BRAIN DRAINS.

THE QUESTION FOR BUSINESS IS ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE SNACKS ARE YOU GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS?

ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE STEPS TO STRENGTHEN DEMOCRACY?

BECAUSE IT IS GOOD FOR BUSINESS BUT YOU BETTER HURRY UP AND GET WITH THIS PROGRAM QUICKLY.

MORGAN?

>> THERE'S A DEBATE GOING ON NATIONALLY ABOUT AIRLINE REFUNDS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PUT OUT A RULE THAT WOULD MAKE AIRLINES PAY REFUNDS AUTOMATICALLY IF THERE WAS A CANCELLATION OR DELAY.

CONGRESS IS TRYING TO PROPOSE REGULATION TO PUT THE ONUS BACK ON US.

HOPEFULLY IT ALL TURNS OUT THE RIGHT WAY.

AUTOMATIC REFUNDS.

WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

>> TALKING ABOUT STADIUMS.

IF YOU ARE NOT YET ON THE COLUMBUS CREW BANDWAGON, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE A LOT OF FUN.

MY SOCCER CAREER ENDED IN THIRD GAME SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT STOPPAGE TIME MEANS BUT THEY'RE FUN.

>> I POINT TO THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS WHO WON THEIR SECOND SUPER BOWL IN A ROW AND VOTERS REJECTED OVERWHELMINGLY THEIR BID FOR A HIGHER TAX TO RENOVATE THEIR STADIUM.

THAT IS "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" THIS WEEK.

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