TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

THE IMPACT OF THE PASSING OF PROP 139, WHICH ENSURES ABORTION RIGHTS IN ARIZONA.

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, THE IMPACT OF A PASSING OF PROP 314 WHICH CRIMINALIZES CROSSING THE U.S. BORDER INTO ARIZONA WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION.

>>> AND A NEW STUDY SHOWS WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE LIMITS OF HUMAN LIFE EXPECTANCY.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

ARIZONA'S ELECTION RESULTS ARE STILL COMING IN WITH 2 1/2 SOME ODD MILLION BALLOTS COUNTED AND ESTIMATED ONE MILLION STILL TO GO.

THE NUMBER OF MAJOR RACES UNDECIDED.

A FEW I SHOULD SAY, INCLUDING THE ONE FOR PRESIDENT.

PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP HOLDS A COMFORTABLE LEAD AND ARIZONA'S 11 ELECTORAL VOTES ARE NOT AT PLAY SINCE TRUMP WON THE NATIONAL COUNT.

>>> THE U.S. SENATE MATCHUP BETWEEN RUBEN GALLEGO AND KARI LAKE IS TOO CLOSE TO CALL, WITH GALLEGO HOLDING ONTO TWO PERCENTAGE-POINT LEAD.

>>> REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT DAVID SCHWEIKERT IS AHEAD OF AMISH SHAH IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1 AND JUAN CISCOMANI HOLDS A SLIGHT LEAD OVER DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER KIRSTEN ENGEL.

IN THE MESA MAYORAL RACE, FORMER MAYOR SCOTT SMITH IS TRAILING COUNCIL MEMBER MARK FREEMAN AND DAVID ORTEGA LOOKS TO HAVE LOST HIS RE-ELECTION BID TO LISA BOROUS KEY.

>> YESTERDAY, I SPOKE WITH PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP TO CONGRATULATE HIM ON HIS VICTORY, AND I ASSURED HIM THAT I DIRECT MY ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION TO WORK WITH HIS TEAM TO ENSURE A PEACEFUL AND ORDERLY TRANSITION.

THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE.

TED: THE PRESIDENT HAD A MESSAGE FOR HIS FELLOW DEMOCRATS.

>> SETBACKS ARE UNAVOIDABLE, BUT GIVING UP IS UNFORGIVABLE.

SETBACKS ARE UNAVOIDABLE BUT GIVING UP IS UNFORGIVABLE.

WE ALL GET KNOCKED DOWN, BUT THE MEASURE OF OUR CHARACTER IS HOW QUICKLY WE GET BACK UP.

REMEMBER, A DEFEAT DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE DEFEATED.

WE LOST THIS BATTLE.

AMERICA OF YOUR DREAMS IS CALLING FOR YOU TO GET BACK UP.

TED: OTHER HEADLINES -- FED CHAIR JEROME POWELL ANNOUNCED ANOTHER INTEREST RATE CUT.

>> TODAY THE FOMC DECIDED TO TAKE ANOTHER STEP IN REDUCING THE DEGREE OF POLICY RESTRAINT BY LOWERING OUR POLICY INTEREST RATE BY A QUARTER PERCENTAGE POINT.

WE CONTINUE TO BE CONFIDENT THAT WITH AN APPROPRIATE RECALIBRATION OF OUR POLICY STANCE, STRENGTH IN THE ECONOMY AND THE LABOR MARKET CAN BE MAINTAINED, WITH INFLATION MOVING SUSTAINABLY DOWN TO 2%.

TED: POWELL ADDED TO THOUGHTS ON THE LABOR MARKET.

>> IN THE LABOR MARKET, CONDITIONS REMAIN SOLID.

PAYROLL JOB GAINS HAVE SLOWED FROM EARLY IN THE YEAR, AVERAGING 104,000 PER MONTH OVER THE PAST THREE MONTHS.

THIS FIGURE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT HIGHER WERE IT NOT FOR THE EFFECTS OF LABOR STRIKES AND HURRICANES, UNEMPLOYMENT IN OCTOBER.

>> THE NEAR TERM, THE ELECTION WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE FED'S POLICY DECISIONS BUT ADDED THAT ANY ADMINISTRATION'S POLICIES COULD HAVE ECONOMIC EFFECTS OVER TIME THAT THE FED WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

>>> PROP 139, WHICH ENSURES ABORTION RIGHTS IN ARIZONA PASSED BY A LARGE MARGIN TUESDAY.

THE NEARLY TWO-TO-ONE MARGIN IN FAVOR INDICATES ACCESS TO ABORTION WILL BE PROTECTED TWO YEARS AFTER THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE.

JOINING US IS ATTORNEY KRISLOV, SPOKESPERSON FOR THE CAMPAIGN IN SUPPORT OF 139.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

TED: WHY DO YOU THINK PROP 139 PASSED AND BY SUCH A MARGIN?

>> WELL, I THINK AFTER THE FALL OF ROE V. WADE, AMERICANS BY AND LARGE, DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE A SAY IN WHETHER OR NOT ABORTION RIGHTS SHOULD BE EXTENDED STATE BY STATE AFTER THAT RULING.

AND HERE, WE'VE SEEN A GROUNDSWELL OF SUPPORT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF OUR CAMPAIGN, AND THAT CARRIED THROUGH TO THE CAMPAIGN, AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE WIN NUMBER WE HAD LAST NIGHT.

TED: YEAH, A COUPLE OF -- ON TUESDAY.

>> TUESDAY, GEEZ.

TED: TIME PASSES.

>> IT SURE DOES.

TED: A RECORD NUMBER OF SIGNATURES GATHERED, SPENT A RECORD NUMBER OF MONEY FOR A BALLOT MEASURE, YOU ALL HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING HERE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAD A LOT OF THE TAILWINDS TO FOLLOW FROM OHIO AND MICHIGAN AND SEEN TIME AND AGAIN THAT WHEN ABORTION IS ON THE BALLOT, IT WINS.

TED: WHAT DOES PROP 139 CALL FOR?

>> IT WILL ENSHRINE THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO ABORTION IN OUR STATE CONSTITUTION UP UNTIL FETAL VIABILITY, AND IT PUTS THE DECISIONS ABOUT ABORTION BACK IN THE HANDS OF PREGNANT PATIENTS AND THEIR MEDICAL PROVIDERS AND TAKES THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF EQUATION.

TED: WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT BEFOREHAND WITH PRO AND AGAINST BUT THE VIABILITY IS DETERMINED BY A HEALTH PROVIDER AS YOU MENTIONED.

IS THAT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE HEALTH PROVIDER IS REQUIRED TO DETERMINE VIABILITY?

>> A PREGNANT PERSON WILL MAKE THAT DECISION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GOOD FAITH ADVICE OF THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER, AND THEN THEY WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THAT PATIENT WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ABORTION CARE OR NOT.

TED: DEFINE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

>> IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, ONLY PHYSICIANS ARE ALLOWED TO PERFORM ABORTIONS.

TED: SOUNDS QUITE SIMILAR TO ROE V. WADE.

HOW CLOSE?

>> RIGHT ON THE NOSE.

WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS RETURN TO THE STANDARD WE ENJOYED FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS BEFORE ROE WAS OVERTURNED AND THE LANGUAGE IS CLEAR, IT IS ESSENTIALLY TURNING BACK TO ROE V. WADE.

TED: WHEN WE HAD OPPONENTS ON, THEY CONCENTRATED ON THIS PART.

ABORTIONS ARE ALLOWED AFTER VIABILITY WHEN NECESSARY.

EXAMPLE OF WHEN THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY?

>> ABORTIONS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AVAILABLE POST VIABILITY, WHEN NECESSARY, AND LANGUAGE SAYS WHEN TO PROTECT THE LIFE AND THE HEALTH OF THE PREGNANT PERSON, SO THAT DETERMINATION WOULD NEED TO BE MADE BY THEIR TREATING HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

TED: WE HAD OPPONENTS ON, NOT THAT THERE IS DEBATE ANYMORE, THIS HAS PASSED.

IT'S A DONE DEAL.

THEY HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECT, HOW IS THAT DEFINED AND WORKED OUT?

>> DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE BETWEEN THE PREGNANT PERSON AND THE MENTAL HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

I'M NOT A MENTAL HEALTH CARE PROVIDER, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE THE PATIENTS NEED TO SEEK ABORTION SERVICES.

SO THIS AMENDMENT ALLOWS THOSE DECISIONS TO BE MADE BY THE PATIENT AND THEIR PROVIDER.

TED: AND SO WHEN THE OPPONENTS ARGUE AND APPARENTLY UNSUCCESSFULLY BUT ARGUED THIS WOULD STILL ALLOW ABORTIONS UP TO BIRTH.

THEY CONCENTRATED ON THAT WHEN OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE EXTRAORDINARILY, BUT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN A RARE CIRCUMSTANCE, CORRECT?

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

BUT I'LL SAY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ABORTION UP UNTIL BIRTH.

THAT IS FEARMONGERING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION HAS BEEN MAKING FOR A LONG TIME.

WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS PUT PRIVATE AND PERSONAL HEALTH CARE DECISIONS BACK INTO THE HANDS OF THE PATIENTS AND THEIR PROVIDERS AND KEEP POLITICIANS AND GOVERNMENT OUT.

IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

TED: AND THE CURRENT LAW OF ABORTION IS ALLOWED UP TO 15 WEEKS.

RARE EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE AND INCEST.

THIS BLOWS THAT OUT, CORRECT?

>> THERE WILL BE A CHALLENGE TO THE 15-WEEK BAN, BASED UPON THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT WILL BE PLACED INTO LAW VERY SHORTLY AFTER CERTIFICATION.

TED: WHEN DOES THE AMENDMENT BECOME LAW?

>> IT WILL BECOME LAW, WHEN THE GOVERNOR SIGNS OFF ON IT.

TED: WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM WOMEN?

WE'VE DONE INTERVIEWS WITH FOLKS AND SEEN INTRODUCE OF POLLING PLACES, PBS "NEWSHOUR" DID AN INTERVIEW OF A LOCAL WOMAN BECAUSE SHE WAS CRYING BECAUSE SHE HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM WOMEN?

>> A LOT OF THANK-YOUS.

YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST CONSIDERING STARTING FAMILIES FOR THE FIRST TIME THANKING US FOR LEAVING ALL OPTIONS AVAILABLE.

HEARING FROM OLDER FOLKS WHO WERE MARCHING IN THE 60S AND 70s FOR THIS.

THANKING US FOR DOING THIS.

WE HEARD A DEBT OF GRATITUDE FROM THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA.

TED: AS FAR AS THE CAMPAIGN IS CONCERNED, YOU ARE FRONT AND CENTER FOR THE CAMPAIGN.

WHEN YOU GOT STARTED, THE PROCESS ITSELF, DID IT GO AS YOU EXPECTED?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT WENT BETTER THAN I COULD EVEN HAVE IMAGINED QUITE FRANKLY.

WE SAW ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT AGAIN WHEN ABORTION IS ON THE BALLOT, WE KNEW HERE IN ARIZONA, BUT THE GROUNDSWELL OF SUPPORT WE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE BROKE RECORDS.

WE MADE ARIZONA HISTORY WITH THE CAMPAIGN, AND I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD OF THIS EFFORT.

TED: DOES IT SURPRISE YOU IN ANY WAY THAT THIS EFFORT, YOUR EFFORT WON BY SUCH A SUBSTANTIAL MARGIN AND YET DONALD TRUMP WON PRESIDENCY.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROP 314, AN IMMIGRATION MEASURE THAT FOLKS WERE OPPOSED.

SEEMS LIKE VOTERS WERE ALL OVER THE MAP, DOESN'T IT?

>> YES, I WILL SAY THAT.

OUR CAMPAIGN SPOKE ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.

WE WERE TALKING TO EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION, AGE RANGE, ANY DEMOGRAPHIC YOU CAN THINK OF.

THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR, THE PERSONAL AND PRIVATE DECISIONS SHOULD REMAIN BETWEEN THE PREGNANT PERSON AND THEIR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER AND THEY DON'T WANT POLITICIANS MAKING DECISIONS FOR THEM AND THAT SPOKE ACROSS THE BOARD.

TED: LAST POINT AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ON, ROE V. WADE REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE, DIDN'T IT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THAT IT WAS SHORT HAND FOR US.

WE COULD REFER PEOPLE BACK TO ROE V. WADE AND TELL THEM THIS WAS THE LAW OF THE LAND FOR 50 YEARS BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT MADE THE DECISION TO OVERTURN IT.

SO IT WAS REALLY EASY TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE WERE DOING BASED UPON ROE.

TED: ALL RIGHT, CHRIS LOVE, GOOD TO HAVE YOU, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

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TED: PROP 314, ON ITS WAY TO PASS BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN ALLOWS STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ARREST THOSE SUSPECTED OF CROSSING THE U.S. BORDER INTO ARIZONA WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION AND MAKE IT A STATE CRIME FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN THE U.S.

WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION TO APPLY FOR BENEFITS.

WE WELCOME AN ATTORNEY FROM THE SOLTIERRA LAW GROUP, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

TED: WHAT DOES PROP 314 CALL FOR?

>> MAYHEM.

TED: THAT'S THE ONE-WORD RESPONSE?

>> IT IS.

IT'S MAYHEM.

TED: WHY?

>> BECAUSE IT CREATES AN AVENUE FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO CREATE NEW AVENUES OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT BELONG WITH THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES.

IMMIGRATION IS PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND DELEGATED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

IT IS NOT DELEGATED TO THE STATES BECAUSE NOT ALL THE STATES SHOULD HAVE DIFFERENT VARYING DEFINITIONS OF WHO SHOULD BE ALLOWED INTO THE COUNTRY.

THIS ISSUE OF CRIMINALIZING SOMEONE WHO'S IN THE COUNTRY WHO HAS ENTERED THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY AND NOT AT A PORT OF ENTRY, THOSE ARE DEFINITIONS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.

THE WAY THAT A COUNTY OR A SHERIFF IS GOING TO INTERPRET IT IS GOING TO CREATE ABSOLUTE MAYHEM.

TED: IT CALLS FOR -- CROSSING THE BORDER INTO ARIZONA WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION.

WHAT KIND OF AUTHORIZESATION NEEDED?

>> AUTHORIZATION, VERY INTERESTINGLY, THE STATUTE SAYS SOMEONE PERMITTED TO ENTER ON PAROLE BY CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION IS NOT DEEMED TO HAVE ENTERED THE COUNTRY LAWFULLY.

THIS IS TURNING THE DEFINITION OF ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES UNDER FEDERAL AUTHORITY ON ITS HEAD.

TED: WHAT HAPPENS NOW TO THOSE WHO ENTER WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, AND HOW DOES THAT CHANGE?

>> WE DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S ABSOLUTE MAYHEM BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANY FORETHOUGHT BY THOSE WHO ADDRESSED THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND CREATED IT, AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO ARIZONA COURTS, ARIZONA LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO -- THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO FEDERAL DATABASES WHO IS LEGAL OR UNDOCUMENTED IN THIS COUNTRY.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ACCESS THAT INFORMATION TO BEGIN WITH?

TED: SO AGAIN, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, TAKE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, CAN ARREST AND DETAIN AND STATE JUDGES CAN DEPORT.

AGAIN, WITHOUT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS?

>> HOW.

THE STATUTE MAY SAY WHAT IT WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH BUT DOESN'T SAY HOW IT'S GOING TO ACCOMPLISH IT, AND IT'S THE HOW THAT GOT ARIZONA IN DEEP WATERS IN ARIZONA V. UNITED STATES IN SB-1070 AND SIMPLY WAS STRUCK DOWN BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY.

TED: WHAT HAPPENS WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT RIGHT NOW?

IT'S KIND OF A -- IT'S CONJECTURE AND A HYPOTHETICAL TO PUT YOUR ARMS AROUND.

RIGHT NOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE PROPER AUTHORIZATION AND IS CONTACTED OR HAS AN ENCOUNTER WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WHAT HAPPENS?

>> THAT DEPENDS ON THE OFFICER, RIGHT, TO SOME EXTENT.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE IDENTIFICATION, THEY CAN ARREST THEM FOR NOT HAVING IDENTIFICATION, AND ONCE THEY'RE INSIDE, LET'S SAY 4th AVENUE UNDER MARICOPA COUNTY JAIL, THEN I.C.E.

COMES IN AND DETERMINES THEIR NATIONALITY.

AND IF THEY'RE UNDOCUMENTED, I.C.E.

MAKES A DECISION WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO DHS CUSTODY OR REMOVAL PROCEEDINGS TO DEPORT THEM.

IF THE INDIVIDUAL HAS INSURANCE.

IF THE INDIVIDUAL IS CARRYING REGISTRATION AND THEIR DOCUMENTS ARE IN ORDER TO DRIVE, THEN THEY SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.

THE LICENSE TO DRIVE, THEY HAVE INSURANCE, ET CETERA.

A STATE OFFICER IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF A NONCITIZEN.

TED: THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

IF THE OFFICER, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SEES SOMEONE, SEES THEM VISUALLY CROSSING THE BORDER AND APPROACHES THEM AND FINDS OUT THEY DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S COVERED IN THE LAW.

WHAT IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT?

YOU STOPPED SOMEONE FOR ROLLING THROUGH A STOP SIGN, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY HAVE CROSSED THE BORDER INTO THE U.S.

WITHOUT THE PROPER AUTHORIZATION?

>> THEY DON'T.

THEY DON'T, AND THAT IS THE MAYHEM OF THE STATUTE.

YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE IN ORDER TO STOP THEM CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION, BUT I THINK THAT DURING THE ARPAIO YEARS, AND THE REASON THAT SB-1070 WAS OVERTURNED, WAS BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T FOLLOWING THE LAW.

OFFICERS GIVEN MORE AUTHORITY THAN THEY COULD HANDLE.

A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER CAN'T DETERMINE HOW SOMEONE CAME INTO THE COUNTRY.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

TED: DOES 314 REQUIRES e-VERIFY AS FAR AS PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE CONCERNED.

WHAT IS e-VERIFY AND HOW DOES IT CHANGE FROM THE SITUATION NOW?

>> SO WHAT THE STATUTE CALLS FOR IS INDIVIDUALS MUST NOT PRESENT FALSE DOCUMENTS TO SECURE EMPLOYMENT, AND MUST PASS e-VERIFY.

SO PUBLIC BENEFITS IS SEPARATE FROM THE PROVISION OF PROVIDING FALSE DOCUMENTS TO WORK.

NOW THE RESPONSIBILITY AND CRIMINAL LIABILITY IS GOING TO BE ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO PRESENTS BOTH DOCUMENTS TO AN EMPLOYER.

THEY'LL BE SUBJECT TO A CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR.

FOR PUBLIC BENEFITS, THE STATUTE SAYS IT'S A FELONY, IF YOU REQUEST PUBLIC BENEFITS, USING FALSE DOCUMENTS.

TED: INTERESTING.

LAST POINT HERE, EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COULD BE COMPLETELY MOOT.

IF TEXAS, THE LAW IN TEXAS, THIS IS MIRRORED AFTER THAT TEXAS LAW.

IF THE COURTS SAY THAT DOESN'T CUT IT, SO WHERE DOES THAT TEXAS LAW STAND, AND WHERE DO WE STAND IN ARIZONA WITH THAT TEXAS LAW?

>> I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IRONIC THINGS THAT ARIZONA WOULD ALLOW WHAT HAPPENS IN ANOTHER STATE DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS IN ARIZONA.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT.

THIS LAW IS NOT TO GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL 60 DAYS AFTER THE FEDERAL COURT HAS GIVEN TEXAS THE GREEN LIGHT ON SB-4 WHICH PROP 314 MIRRORS.

I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS THE ONE WHO SUED TEXAS TO NOT ENFORCE THAT LAW.

ONCE THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TAKES OVER, THEY WILL WITHDRAW THEIR LAWSUIT, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LAWSUIT AGAINST TEXAS, AND THAT WILL HAVE THE GREEN LIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD IF THEY DON'T PROSECUTE.

TED: IN 60 DAYS IT'S A DONE DEAL IN ARIZONA, THEN?

>> 60 DAYS AFTER THE PASSAGE IN TEXAS.

TED: ALL RIGHT, DELIA SALVATIERRA, MAYHEM, CONFUSION, PEOPLE THINK THEY KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT BUT THE DETAILS ARE -- THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

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TED: NEW RESEARCH ON LIFE EXPECTANCY SUGGESTS APPROACHING THE LIMITS OF THE HUMAN LIFE SPAN.

JOINING US IS DR. SHAH RCHLT GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

TED: THIS STUDY SOUNDS LIKE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS RISING, BUT SLOWING DOWN.

>> RIGHT, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE.

TED: YEAH.

>> FOR A WHILE, PEOPLE THOUGHT EVERYONE IS LIVING LONGER AND LONGER AND LONGER, THERE'S NO TOPPING OFF, WE'LL ALL LIVE TO 150, 200, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE WITH MODERN MEDICINE AND SCIENCE.

WE HAD A PERIOD OF EXTRAORDINARY INCREASE BECAUSE OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND IMMUNIZATIONS AND MODERN MEDICINE, BUT THAT'S SLOWING DOWN NOW.

WE'RE NOT SEEING THE SAME GAINS, SO THE MAXIMUM LIFE SPAN IS NOT INCREASING AT ALL.

TED: SUGGESTS MAXIMUM LIFE EXPECTANCY WILL STOP AT 87 AVERAGE MALE AND FEMALE.

SOUND RIGHT TO YOU?

>> THREE YEARS HIGHER FOR WOMEN BECAUSE THEY'VE ALWAYS LIVED LONGER.

TED: THE HIGHER END IS EASING BUT THE LOWER END IS CATCHING UP.

DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?

>> THE IDEA OF COMPRESSION OF MORTALITY.

PEOPLE ARE DOING GOOD IN GETTING PEOPLE IN LARGER NUMBERS INTO THEIR 70s, 80s, 90s, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE LIVING PAST 110, IT'S NOT INCREASING.

TED: AND THE STUDY SUGGESTED THAT IF ALL DEATHS BEFORE THE AGE OF 50.

ALL DEATHS BEFORE THE AGE OF 50 WERE ELIMINATED, IT WOULDN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE IN THE AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY?

>> THAT'S AVERAGES, BUT IT'S SHOCKING TO THINK ABOUT THAT, WHERE THE VICTIMS OF OUR SUCCESS, IF WE'RE GOING TO REALLY INCREASE LIFE EXPECTANCY, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW ABOUT THE BIOLOGY OF AGING, NOT JUST ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH AND VACCINES AND ANTIBIOTICS BUT HAVE TO AFFECT HOW WE AGE AT A CELLULAR LEVEL.

TED: WHAT IS DONE ALONG THE LINES?

>> LOT OF RESEARCH FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TRYING EXPAND LIFE EXPECTANCY.

MOST OF IT IS DONE IN FRUIT FLIES AND WORMS AND MICE BECAUSE THEY LIVE SHORTER, YOU COME BACK TO A HUMAN LIVING 100 YEARS, THEY LIVE LONGER, THE STUDY IS INHERENTLY IMPOSSIBLE IN HUMAN BEINGS.

CELLULAR TARGETS TRY TO GET US NOT TO AGE AS QUICKLY AT CELLULAR LEVEL.

MEDICATIONS AND VARIOUS THINGS WHICH WORK IN LIFE IN A CONTROLLED SITUATION, BUT NOTHING IS PROVEN TO BE ALL THAT GREAT FOR HUMAN BEINGS.

>> WITH SANITATION AND ANTIBIOTICS, HELPING GET TO THE RATES WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

IS THERE NOT SOMETHING IN THE WORKS REGARDING THINGS LIKE CANCER, THAT COULD REALLY JUMP THIS NUMBER UP?

>> YEAH, EVEN IF WE WERE TO CURE CANCER AND CURE HEART DISEASE AND CURE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, THERE IS STILL THE AGING PROCESS ITSELF OF THE BODY THAT WOULD STILL REACH KIND OF A MAXIMUM LIFE SPAN.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO LIVE TO 120, 110, HAVE NOT HAD DEMENTIA, CANCER, BUT THEY STILL DIED.

WHAT DO YOU DO FOR THE PERSON WHO HASN'T GOTTEN CANCER, THEY STILL DIE, AND HOW DO WE PUSH THE ENVELOPE THERE?

BARRING INCREDIBLE BREAKTHROUGH WHICH WOULD TAKE 100 YEARS TO WORK THROUGH THE SYSTEM, TO PROVE, WE DON'T REALLY SEE THAT.

AND STUDIES DONE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS OR SO, WE'RE NOT SEEING MAJOR BREAKTHROUGHS IN THE MAXIMUM LIFE SPAN.

TED: SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A SHELF LIFE FOR HUMAN ORGANS.

>> THERE IS, YEAH.

TED: WHAT ABOUT PREVENTIVE CARE?

>> PREVENTION CAN BE IMPORTANT.

GETTING PEOPLE TO LIVE INTO THE 70s AND 80s AND 90s, THE HEART ATTACK THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED TO PEOPLE IN THEIR 50s NOW IS PREVENTED BECAUSE WE HAVE CLUSTERING MEDICATIONS, THE HEART ATTACK MAY HAVE NEVER HAPPENED OR HAPPEN WHEN SOMEONE IS 90, BUT THAT'S PREVENTIVE CARE, ALSO HAS A MAXIMUM.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE VERY, VERY GOOD PREVENTIVE CARE AND GREAT LIFE EXPECTANCY.

TED: WHERE DO PEOPLE LIVE THE LONGEST?

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL COUNTRIES.

UNITED STATES IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

WE HAVE THE MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTH CARE BUT NOT THE BEST, CONTRARY TO PUBLIC OPINION, AND WE HAVE JAPAN, SOUTH KOREA, ITALY, FRANCE.

THE BEST RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF INCREASES IN LIFE EXPECTANCY IS HONG KONG, NOT ALL OF CHINA BUT HONG KONG IS ONE OF THE AREAS, LOTS OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WORLD THAT ARE NOW APPROACHING THAT 87, 88, MAYBE 90 IF WE'RE LUCKY AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY.

TED: AGAIN, IT'S RAISING THE LOWER LEVEL AS OPPOSED TO RAISING THE HIGHER LEVEL.

>> YES, YEAH.

TED: DR. AMIT SHAH, AS WE AGE WE'RE PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO THIS.

>> MORE IMPORTANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE THINGS THAT HELP US TO DO THING VERY WELL IN OUR 80s AND 90s.

I'M A GERIATRICIAN, I HAVE TO SAY THAT.

TED: DR. AMIT SHAH.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US,