
Significance of prisoner swap between the U.S., Venezuela
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The significance of the prisoner swap between the U.S. and Venezuela
In a historic prisoner swap, ten Americans are headed home after the U.S. freed a top ally of Venezuelan President Maduro. Six of the Americans were judged "wrongfully detained" by the State Department. The Maduro government also agreed to free 20 Venezuelan political prisoners and return fugitive defense contractor Leonard Francis to the U.S. Amna Nawaz discussed the deal with Jonathan Franks.
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Significance of prisoner swap between the U.S., Venezuela
Clip: 12/20/2023 | 6m 28sVideo has Closed Captions
In a historic prisoner swap, ten Americans are headed home after the U.S. freed a top ally of Venezuelan President Maduro. Six of the Americans were judged "wrongfully detained" by the State Department. The Maduro government also agreed to free 20 Venezuelan political prisoners and return fugitive defense contractor Leonard Francis to the U.S. Amna Nawaz discussed the deal with Jonathan Franks.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipIn a high-profile prisoner to night after the U.S. freed a top ally of# Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.
Six## of the Americans were judged wrongfully# detained by the U.S. State Department.
AMNA NAWAZ: As part of the deal, the Maduro# government also agreed to free 20 Venezuelan## political prisoners and a fugitive defense# contractor, Leonard Francis, will be returned## to the United States.
He fled before sentencing in# a massive bribery scandal involving the U.S. Navy.
President Biden, returning to the White# House tonight, took questions on the swap.
QUESTION: (AUDIO GAP) Venezuela?
Why# is it OK for the U.S. to be negotiating## with the Maduro government, sending back# people the Justice Department (OFF-MIKE) JOE BIDEN, President of the United States:# It's OK because we're freeing Am people who are held illegally.
And we# made a deal with Venezuela that they## will hold free elections.
So far, they have# maintained their requirements.
And that's it.
AMNA NAWAZ: For more on the# significance of this deal,## we turn now to Jonathan Franks.
He's# an e has worked on the successful release of# several other Americans detained overseas.
Jon, welcome back.
It's good to see you.
You represent one of the families of Wright.
What can you tell us about the timing,# about why he and the others were released today?
JONATHAN FRANKS, Founder, Lucid# Strategies: Thanks for having me.
I'm not sure exactly why t I imagine just the negotiations came to# a conclusion.
But this is obviou great day both for my clients in that Savoi is# back and also for our whole hostage community.
I mean, I think we lost four or five families# today out of Bring Our Families Home Campaign,## and I'm really excited about that,# because that means there's four more,## five more families that have been made whole.
AMNA NAWAZ: What else can you tell us ab of those negotiations?
W right?
He was the most recently detained# American, but the others for much longer.
What can you tell us about what happened# to those negotiations over time?
JONATHAN FRANKS: I -- honestly, I'm not# privy to it.
I mean, I have got to give## the administration credit.
They have done# an amazing job.
This is a I think that they -- those who say that this was# a tough decision to send Mr. Saab home don't know## much about what Mr. Saab is accused of or the# collateral damage that that prosecution caused.
So, a 10-for-1 deal, 10 Americans# for one, plus 20 Venezuelan souls,## is a heck of a deal.
The president had a moral# obligation, and I'm proud of him for doing it.
AMNA NAWAZ: So what about that businessman,# Alex Saab?
I'm sure you have seen there are## some folks criticizing the deal.
This is# a man who was awaiting trial in Miami on federal money laundering charges, right?
He's a# supporter and an ally of the Maduro government.
There are those that say this exchange# incentivizes foreign governments,## especially adversarial ones, to take# more Americans' hostage because it## means they can free their allies and# friends.
What do you say to JO NATHAN FRANKS: It's a complex situation.# There's no actual evidence that that is true,## that it incentivizes more hostage-taking.
But, obviously, I concede that it logically# ri ght, is Mr. Saab was a white-collar criminal.# He's a Colombian national that allegedly stole## from Venezuelans, right?
He was arrested# in the Cape Verde, and we extradited him.
There were real-world consequences# to that decision on hostages being## held in Venezuela.
It turned the Maduro# regime into the leading collector in world of American hostages.
So I think# there's a -- it's a double-edged sword,## right?
In a sense, we incentivized a lot# of hostage-taking by taking Mr. Saab.
And, no, I don't think that bringing Americans# home today incentivizes more hostage-taking.
AMNA NAWAZ: What about Leonard Francis?
We# know he's more widely known by his nickname## Fat Leonard.
He's behind a $35 million bribery# scheme.
It's the largest corruption scandal## in U.S. military history.
As part of this deal,# Venezuela is returning him to the United States.
What does that part of this# negotiation tell you about the deal?
JONATHAN FRANKS: I think there was# a desire to clear the decks, right?
And Mr. Francis, or Fat Leonard, as he goes,## needs to face justice for what he's done.
And# it's my understanding he's already convicted.
So,## he needs to face responsibility.
So,# I think it's another positive to this## deal and a piece of it that perhaps the# administration isn't getting AM NA NAWAZ: Finally, we mentioned earlier, six# of the Americans freed, including your client,## Savoi, were deemed wrongfully detained# by the U.S. government.
That means four## of the other Americans who were freed# were not deemed wrongfully detained.
What should people understand# about that?
Does that mean## that their detention in Venezuela was justified?
JONATHAN FRANKS: I think it doesn't# necessarily.
Just the -- the process## to be designated wrongfully detained is difficult.
And in countries like Venezuela, the# government often prohibi from getting copies of court documents.# And it is really hard to provide the kind## of documentary evidence that is necessary to# qualify for designation under the Levinson## Act when the person holding your loved one# refuses to provide you even one document.
We didn't even have a charging# document in Savoi's case.
AMNA NAWAZ: What else can you tell us about# how Savoi is doing today o JONATHAN FRANKS: The last# time I talked to his family,## they hadn't heard from him yet,# but they are incredibl It has been a difficult several# months.
And when I entered this case,## this family was being actively extorted# for a very healthy five-figure sum.
And## there -- just nobody was there to help# them.
So I very much enjoyed getting## to know his family.
I can't wait to meet# Savoi.
He sounds like a fascinating guy.
And I think, if he's guilty of anything,# it's falling in love with Venezuela.
AMNA NAWAZ: It's a good day for# that family and many others.
Jon Franks, thanks for speaking# to us toni prisoner swap between the U.S. and# Venezuela.
I appreciate your time.
JONATHAN FRANKS: Thanks for having me.
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