♪ ♪ >>> COMING UP -- FATHER TOM ♪ >>> COMING UP -- FATHER TOM REESE ON THE PRESIDENT AND THE >>> COMING UP -- FATHER TOM REESE ON THE PRESIDENT AND THE POPE.

REESE ON THE PRESIDENT AND THE POPE.

>>> AND, SAUL GONZALEZ LOOKS AT POPE.

>>> AND, SAUL GONZALEZ LOOKS AT PASTORS WHO HAVE TWO FULL-TIME >>> AND, SAUL GONZALEZ LOOKS AT PASTORS WHO HAVE TWO FULL-TIME JOBS, ONE IN CHURCH, THE OTHER PASTORS WHO HAVE TWO FULL-TIME JOBS, ONE IN CHURCH, THE OTHER IN THE WORLD.

JOBS, ONE IN CHURCH, THE OTHER IN THE WORLD.

HOW DO THEY MANAGE BOTH?

IN THE WORLD.

HOW DO THEY MANAGE BOTH?

>>> ALSO, A REPORT FROM BILL HOW DO THEY MANAGE BOTH?

>>> ALSO, A REPORT FROM BILL BAKER ON FRANCISCANS IN THE HOLY >>> ALSO, A REPORT FROM BILL BAKER ON FRANCISCANS IN THE HOLY LAND, FOR SEVEN CENTURIES BAKER ON FRANCISCANS IN THE HOLY LAND, FOR SEVEN CENTURIES LOOKING AFTER THE MOST SACRED LAND, FOR SEVEN CENTURIES LOOKING AFTER THE MOST SACRED SITES OF CHRISTIANITY.

LOOKING AFTER THE MOST SACRED SITES OF CHRISTIANITY.

>>> PLUS, THE BLIND BOYS OF SITES OF CHRISTIANITY.

>>> PLUS, THE BLIND BOYS OF ALABAMA SINGING GOSPEL MUSIC FOR >>> PLUS, THE BLIND BOYS OF ALABAMA SINGING GOSPEL MUSIC FOR 70 RETIREMENT ALABAMA SINGING GOSPEL MUSIC FOR 70 RETIREMENT COMPANY.

70 RETIREMENT COMPANY.

>> WELCOME.

COMPANY.

>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

PRESIDENT OBAMA VISITED POPE IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

PRESIDENT OBAMA VISITED POPE FRANCIS AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK PRESIDENT OBAMA VISITED POPE FRANCIS AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK IN WHAT WAS THEIR FIRST MEETING.

FRANCIS AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK IN WHAT WAS THEIR FIRST MEETING.

THEY EXCHANGED GREETINGS AND IN WHAT WAS THEIR FIRST MEETING.

THEY EXCHANGED GREETINGS AND GIFTS BEFORE MOVING INTO A THEY EXCHANGED GREETINGS AND GIFTS BEFORE MOVING INTO A PRIVATE CONVERSATION THAT LASTED GIFTS BEFORE MOVING INTO A PRIVATE CONVERSATION THAT LASTED 52 MINUTES.

PRIVATE CONVERSATION THAT LASTED 52 MINUTES.

THE DISCUSSION WAS SAID TO BE 52 MINUTES.

THE DISCUSSION WAS SAID TO BE CORDIAL AND FOCUSED MAINLY ON THE DISCUSSION WAS SAID TO BE CORDIAL AND FOCUSED MAINLY ON THE POOR AND MARGINALIZED, AND CORDIAL AND FOCUSED MAINLY ON THE POOR AND MARGINALIZED, AND CHALLENGES TO PEACE AROUND THE THE POOR AND MARGINALIZED, AND CHALLENGES TO PEACE AROUND THE WORLD.

CHALLENGES TO PEACE AROUND THE WORLD.

WE'LL HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF THEIR WORLD.

WE'LL HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF THEIR MEETING LATER IN THE PROGRAM.

WE'LL HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF THEIR MEETING LATER IN THE PROGRAM.

>>> THE SUPREME COURT HEARD MEETING LATER IN THE PROGRAM.

>>> THE SUPREME COURT HEARD ARGUMENTS THIS WEEK IN A PAIR OF >>> THE SUPREME COURT HEARD ARGUMENTS THIS WEEK IN A PAIR OF CHALLENGES TO THE CONTRACEPTION ARGUMENTS THIS WEEK IN A PAIR OF CHALLENGES TO THE CONTRACEPTION MANDATE IN THE AFFORDABLE CARE CHALLENGES TO THE CONTRACEPTION MANDATE IN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, OBAMACARE.

MANDATE IN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, OBAMACARE.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGERS IS HOBBY ACT, OBAMACARE.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGERS IS HOBBY LOBBY, A CHAIN OF CRAFT STORES ONE OF THE CHALLENGERS IS HOBBY LOBBY, A CHAIN OF CRAFT STORES OWNED BY A CHRISTIAN FAMILY.

LOBBY, A CHAIN OF CRAFT STORES OWNED BY A CHRISTIAN FAMILY.

THEY SAY THE REQUIREMENT TO OWNED BY A CHRISTIAN FAMILY.

THEY SAY THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE CERTAIN KINDS OF THEY SAY THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE CERTAIN KINDS OF CONTRACEPTION COVERAGE IN THEIR PROVIDE CERTAIN KINDS OF CONTRACEPTION COVERAGE IN THEIR EMPLOYEES' INSURANCE PLANS CONTRACEPTION COVERAGE IN THEIR EMPLOYEES' INSURANCE PLANS VIOLATES THEIR RELIGIOUS EMPLOYEES' INSURANCE PLANS VIOLATES THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

VIOLATES THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

THE CASES HAVE DEEPLY DIVIDED BELIEFS.

THE CASES HAVE DEEPLY DIVIDED RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES, AND BOTH THE CASES HAVE DEEPLY DIVIDED RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES, AND BOTH SIDES WERE OUT IN FULL FORCE AT RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES, AND BOTH SIDES WERE OUT IN FULL FORCE AT THE COURT.

SIDES WERE OUT IN FULL FORCE AT THE COURT.

LAST YEAR THE OBAMA THE COURT.

LAST YEAR THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION GRANTED A LAST YEAR THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION GRANTED A RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION FROM THE ADMINISTRATION GRANTED A RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION FROM THE CONTRACEPTION MANDATE TO RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION FROM THE CONTRACEPTION MANDATE TO CHURCHES AND OTHER RELIGIOUS CONTRACEPTION MANDATE TO CHURCHES AND OTHER RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS.

CHURCHES AND OTHER RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS.

NOW THE JUSTICES MUST DECIDE ORGANIZATIONS.

NOW THE JUSTICES MUST DECIDE WHETHER FOR-PROFIT BUSINESSES NOW THE JUSTICES MUST DECIDE WHETHER FOR-PROFIT BUSINESSES CAN RECEIVE EXEMPTIONS.

WHETHER FOR-PROFIT BUSINESSES CAN RECEIVE EXEMPTIONS.

THE COURT IS EXPECTED TO ISSUE CAN RECEIVE EXEMPTIONS.

THE COURT IS EXPECTED TO ISSUE ITS DECISION IN LATE JUNE.

THE COURT IS EXPECTED TO ISSUE ITS DECISION IN LATE JUNE.

>>> THE CHRISTIAN RELIEF GROUP ITS DECISION IN LATE JUNE.

>>> THE CHRISTIAN RELIEF GROUP WORLD VISION HAS REVERSED ITS >>> THE CHRISTIAN RELIEF GROUP WORLD VISION HAS REVERSED ITS CONTROVERSIAL DECISION TO HIRE WORLD VISION HAS REVERSED ITS CONTROVERSIAL DECISION TO HIRE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN SAME-SEX CONTROVERSIAL DECISION TO HIRE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.

EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.

EARLIER THIS WEEK WORLD VISION MARRIAGES.

EARLIER THIS WEEK WORLD VISION HAD ANNOUNCED IT WAS CHANGING EARLIER THIS WEEK WORLD VISION HAD ANNOUNCED IT WAS CHANGING ITS EMPLOYMENT POLICY TO ALLOW HAD ANNOUNCED IT WAS CHANGING ITS EMPLOYMENT POLICY TO ALLOW CHRISTIANS IN SAME-SEX MARRIAGES ITS EMPLOYMENT POLICY TO ALLOW CHRISTIANS IN SAME-SEX MARRIAGES TO WORK THERE.

CHRISTIANS IN SAME-SEX MARRIAGES TO WORK THERE.

THE ANNOUNCEMENT SET OFF A FUROR TO WORK THERE.

THE ANNOUNCEMENT SET OFF A FUROR AMONG THE GROUP'S EVANGELICAL THE ANNOUNCEMENT SET OFF A FUROR AMONG THE GROUP'S EVANGELICAL SUPPORTERS, AND A NUMBER OF AMONG THE GROUP'S EVANGELICAL SUPPORTERS, AND A NUMBER OF DONORS PLEDGED TO PULL THEIR SUPPORTERS, AND A NUMBER OF DONORS PLEDGED TO PULL THEIR SPONSORSHIPS.

DONORS PLEDGED TO PULL THEIR SPONSORSHIPS.

AFTER TWO DAYS OF WITHERING SPONSORSHIPS.

AFTER TWO DAYS OF WITHERING CRITICISM, WORLD VISION'S BOARD AFTER TWO DAYS OF WITHERING CRITICISM, WORLD VISION'S BOARD REVERSED ITS ORIGINAL DECISION CRITICISM, WORLD VISION'S BOARD REVERSED ITS ORIGINAL DECISION AND ISSUED AN APOLOGY.

REVERSED ITS ORIGINAL DECISION AND ISSUED AN APOLOGY.

>>> IN EGYPT, THERE WERE AND ISSUED AN APOLOGY.

>>> IN EGYPT, THERE WERE PROTESTS OF MASS TRIALS FOR >>> IN EGYPT, THERE WERE PROTESTS OF MASS TRIALS FOR THOSE ACCUSED OF BEING ISLAMIST PROTESTS OF MASS TRIALS FOR THOSE ACCUSED OF BEING ISLAMIST SUPPORTERS OF OUSTED PRESIDENT THOSE ACCUSED OF BEING ISLAMIST SUPPORTERS OF OUSTED PRESIDENT MOHAMMED MORSI.

SUPPORTERS OF OUSTED PRESIDENT MOHAMMED MORSI.

EARLIER THIS WEEK 529 DEFENDANTS MOHAMMED MORSI.

EARLIER THIS WEEK 529 DEFENDANTS WERE SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR EARLIER THIS WEEK 529 DEFENDANTS WERE SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR THEIR ALLEGED INVOLVEMENT IN WERE SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR THEIR ALLEGED INVOLVEMENT IN ATTACKING A POLICE STATION AND THEIR ALLEGED INVOLVEMENT IN ATTACKING A POLICE STATION AND KILLING A POLICE OFFICER.

ATTACKING A POLICE STATION AND KILLING A POLICE OFFICER.

HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS HAVE BEEN KILLING A POLICE OFFICER.

HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS HAVE BEEN RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS HAVE BEEN RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE FAIRNESS OF THE TRIALS WHILE RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE FAIRNESS OF THE TRIALS WHILE EGYPTIAN AUTHORITIES PUSH TO FAIRNESS OF THE TRIALS WHILE EGYPTIAN AUTHORITIES PUSH TO PROSECUTE THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD EGYPTIAN AUTHORITIES PUSH TO PROSECUTE THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND OTHER SUPPORTERS OF MORSI.

PROSECUTE THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND OTHER SUPPORTERS OF MORSI.

ABOUT 16,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AND OTHER SUPPORTERS OF MORSI.

ABOUT 16,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARRESTED IN THE CRACKDOWNS SINCE ABOUT 16,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARRESTED IN THE CRACKDOWNS SINCE MORSI WAS REMOVED FROM OFFICE ARRESTED IN THE CRACKDOWNS SINCE MORSI WAS REMOVED FROM OFFICE LAST JULY.

MORSI WAS REMOVED FROM OFFICE LAST JULY.

>>> A CATHOLIC BISHOP IN GERMANY LAST JULY.

>>> A CATHOLIC BISHOP IN GERMANY ACCUSED OF LAVISH SPENDING HAS >>> A CATHOLIC BISHOP IN GERMANY ACCUSED OF LAVISH SPENDING HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY RELIEVED OF HIS ACCUSED OF LAVISH SPENDING HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY RELIEVED OF HIS DUTIES.

BEEN OFFICIALLY RELIEVED OF HIS DUTIES.

THIS WEEK POPE FRANCIS ACCEPTED DUTIES.

THIS WEEK POPE FRANCIS ACCEPTED THE RESIGNATION OF THE BISHOP OF THIS WEEK POPE FRANCIS ACCEPTED THE RESIGNATION OF THE BISHOP OF LIMBURG, FRANZ-PETER TEBARZ-VAN THE RESIGNATION OF THE BISHOP OF LIMBURG, FRANZ-PETER TEBARZ-VAN ELST, KNOWN TO SOME AS BISHOP LIMBURG, FRANZ-PETER TEBARZ-VAN ELST, KNOWN TO SOME AS BISHOP BLING-BLING.

ELST, KNOWN TO SOME AS BISHOP BLING-BLING.

HE GOT IN TROUBLE AFTER HE WAS BLING-BLING.

HE GOT IN TROUBLE AFTER HE WAS REPORTED TO HAVE SPENT ABOUT HE GOT IN TROUBLE AFTER HE WAS REPORTED TO HAVE SPENT ABOUT $43 MILLION RENOVATING HIS REPORTED TO HAVE SPENT ABOUT $43 MILLION RENOVATING HIS RESIDENCE AND OTHER BUILDINGS -- $43 MILLION RENOVATING HIS RESIDENCE AND OTHER BUILDINGS -- A SUM THAT INCLUDED A $20,000 RESIDENCE AND OTHER BUILDINGS -- A SUM THAT INCLUDED A $20,000 BATHTUB, $480,000 WALK-IN A SUM THAT INCLUDED A $20,000 BATHTUB, $480,000 WALK-IN CLOSETS AND $1 MILLION GARDEN.

BATHTUB, $480,000 WALK-IN CLOSETS AND $1 MILLION GARDEN.

>>> MEANWHILE, A HIGH-PROFILE CLOSETS AND $1 MILLION GARDEN.

>>> MEANWHILE, A HIGH-PROFILE DELEGATION INCLUDING THE >>> MEANWHILE, A HIGH-PROFILE DELEGATION INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA AND DELEGATION INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA AND PHILADELPHIA ARCHBISHOP CHARLES GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA AND PHILADELPHIA ARCHBISHOP CHARLES CHAPUT WAS AT THE VATICAN THIS PHILADELPHIA ARCHBISHOP CHARLES CHAPUT WAS AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK TO INVITE POPE FRANCIS TO CHAPUT WAS AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK TO INVITE POPE FRANCIS TO VISIT THE U.S. NEXT YEAR.

WEEK TO INVITE POPE FRANCIS TO VISIT THE U.S. NEXT YEAR.

THEY ASKED THE POPE TO COME TO VISIT THE U.S. NEXT YEAR.

THEY ASKED THE POPE TO COME TO THE WORLD MEETING OF THE FAMILY THEY ASKED THE POPE TO COME TO THE WORLD MEETING OF THE FAMILY IN PHILADELPHIA IN SEPTEMBER THE WORLD MEETING OF THE FAMILY IN PHILADELPHIA IN SEPTEMBER 2015.

IN PHILADELPHIA IN SEPTEMBER 2015.

>>> DURING PRESIDENT OBAMA'S 2015.

>>> DURING PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MEETING WITH THE POPE, HE ALSO >>> DURING PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MEETING WITH THE POPE, HE ALSO INVITED FRANCIS TO VISIT THE MEETING WITH THE POPE, HE ALSO INVITED FRANCIS TO VISIT THE U.S. WE WANT TO EXPLORE THEIR INVITED FRANCIS TO VISIT THE U.S. WE WANT TO EXPLORE THEIR MEETING WITH FATHER TOM REESE, U.S. WE WANT TO EXPLORE THEIR MEETING WITH FATHER TOM REESE, AN AUTHORITY ON THE VATICAN AND MEETING WITH FATHER TOM REESE, AN AUTHORITY ON THE VATICAN AND SENIOR ANALYST FOR NATIONAL AN AUTHORITY ON THE VATICAN AND SENIOR ANALYST FOR NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER.

SENIOR ANALYST FOR NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER.

DURING PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MEETING CATHOLIC REPORTER.

DURING PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MEETING WITH THE POPE, HE ALSO INVITED DURING PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MEETING WITH THE POPE, HE ALSO INVITED FRANCIS TO VISIT THE U.S. WE WITH THE POPE, HE ALSO INVITED FRANCIS TO VISIT THE U.S. WE WANT TO EXPLORE THEIR MEETING FRANCIS TO VISIT THE U.S. WE WANT TO EXPLORE THEIR MEETING WITH FATHER TOM REESE, AN WANT TO EXPLORE THEIR MEETING WITH FATHER TOM REESE, AN AUTHORITY ON THE VATICAN AND WITH FATHER TOM REESE, AN AUTHORITY ON THE VATICAN AND SENIOR ANALYST FOR NATIONAL AUTHORITY ON THE VATICAN AND SENIOR ANALYST FOR NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER.

SENIOR ANALYST FOR NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER.

TOM, WELCOME.

CATHOLIC REPORTER.

TOM, WELCOME.

WELCOME BACK HERE.

TOM, WELCOME.

WELCOME BACK HERE.

SUM UP THE MEETING BETWEEN THE WELCOME BACK HERE.

SUM UP THE MEETING BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE POPE, WOULD SUM UP THE MEETING BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE POPE, WOULD YOU?

PRESIDENT AND THE POPE, WOULD YOU?

>> SURE.

YOU?

>> SURE.

THE PRINCIPAL FOCUS OF THE >> SURE.

THE PRINCIPAL FOCUS OF THE MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THE PRINCIPAL FOCUS OF THE MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT ISSUES OF PEACE, INTERNATIONAL ISSUES, MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT ISSUES OF PEACE, INTERNATIONAL ISSUES, AND ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW TO OF PEACE, INTERNATIONAL ISSUES, AND ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW TO HELP POOR PEOPLE, HOW TO HELP AND ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW TO HELP POOR PEOPLE, HOW TO HELP THE MARGINALIZED ALL OVER THE HELP POOR PEOPLE, HOW TO HELP THE MARGINALIZED ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THE MARGINALIZED ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THE POPE WORLD.

THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THE POPE AND PRESIDENT OBAMA ARE ON THE THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THE POPE AND PRESIDENT OBAMA ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND PRESIDENT OBAMA ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

AT THE SAME TIME THE VATICAN SAME PAGE.

AT THE SAME TIME THE VATICAN ALWAYS LIKES TO SUPPORT THE AT THE SAME TIME THE VATICAN ALWAYS LIKES TO SUPPORT THE LOCAL BISHOPS WHEN THEY'RE IN ALWAYS LIKES TO SUPPORT THE LOCAL BISHOPS WHEN THEY'RE IN CONFLICT WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS, LOCAL BISHOPS WHEN THEY'RE IN CONFLICT WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS, AND SO THE ISSUES THAT THE CONFLICT WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS, AND SO THE ISSUES THAT THE BISHOPS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE AND SO THE ISSUES THAT THE BISHOPS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE CONCERNED OF WERE ALSO BROUGHT BISHOPS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE CONCERNED OF WERE ALSO BROUGHT UP.

CONCERNED OF WERE ALSO BROUGHT UP.

>> YEAH.

AND THIS QUESTION OF UP.

>> YEAH.

AND THIS QUESTION OF THE U.S. BISHOPS AND THEIR >> YEAH.

AND THIS QUESTION OF THE U.S. BISHOPS AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE THE U.S. BISHOPS AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.S. PRESIDENT.

RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.S. PRESIDENT.

THERE IS VERY GREAT DIFFERENCE U.S. PRESIDENT.

THERE IS VERY GREAT DIFFERENCE THERE, ISN'T THERE?

THERE IS VERY GREAT DIFFERENCE THERE, ISN'T THERE?

ESPECIALLY ON MATTERS OF THERE, ISN'T THERE?

ESPECIALLY ON MATTERS OF CONTRACEPTION, THINGS LIKE THAT.

ESPECIALLY ON MATTERS OF CONTRACEPTION, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> THERE ARE, BUT THAT WASN'T CONTRACEPTION, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> THERE ARE, BUT THAT WASN'T THE PRINCIPAL FOCUS OF THE >> THERE ARE, BUT THAT WASN'T THE PRINCIPAL FOCUS OF THE MEETING.

THE PRINCIPAL FOCUS OF THE MEETING.

IN FACT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT MEETING.

IN FACT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THE POPE AND THE PRESIDENT IN FACT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THE POPE AND THE PRESIDENT TALKED ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

THE POPE AND THE PRESIDENT TALKED ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

IT WAS REALLY TALKED ABOUT BY TALKED ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

IT WAS REALLY TALKED ABOUT BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE IT WAS REALLY TALKED ABOUT BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE VATICAN.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE VATICAN.

>> RIGHT AFTER THE CONVERSATION VATICAN.

>> RIGHT AFTER THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE POPE AND THE >> RIGHT AFTER THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE POPE AND THE PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD A NEWS BETWEEN THE POPE AND THE PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD A NEWS CONFERENCE AND HE SAID IN THERE PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD A NEWS CONFERENCE AND HE SAID IN THERE SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS CONFERENCE AND HE SAID IN THERE SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS REMARKABLE.

SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS REMARKABLE.

HE USED SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE REMARKABLE.

HE USED SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE DON'T OFTEN HEAR, AND I WANT TO HE USED SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE DON'T OFTEN HEAR, AND I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AND DON'T OFTEN HEAR, AND I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AND GET YOUR COMMENT ON IT.

PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AND GET YOUR COMMENT ON IT.

I.

GET YOUR COMMENT ON IT.

I.

>>> I THINK WHAT STITCHED OUR I.

>>> I THINK WHAT STITCHED OUR CONVERSATION TOGETHER IS THAT >>> I THINK WHAT STITCHED OUR CONVERSATION TOGETHER IS THAT GET YOUR COMMENT ON IT.

CONVERSATION TOGETHER IS THAT GET YOUR COMMENT ON IT.

A BELIEF THAT IN POLITICS AND IN GET YOUR COMMENT ON IT.

A BELIEF THAT IN POLITICS AND IN LIFE THE QUALITY OF EMPATHY, THE A BELIEF THAT IN POLITICS AND IN LIFE THE QUALITY OF EMPATHY, THE ABILITY TO STAND IN SOMEBODY LIFE THE QUALITY OF EMPATHY, THE ABILITY TO STAND IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S SHOES AND TO CARE FOR ABILITY TO STAND IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S SHOES AND TO CARE FOR SOMEONE EVEN IF THEY DON'T LOOK ELSE'S SHOES AND TO CARE FOR SOMEONE EVEN IF THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU OR TALK LIKE YOU OR SOMEONE EVEN IF THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU OR TALK LIKE YOU OR SHARE YOUR PHILOSOPHY, THAT'S LIKE YOU OR TALK LIKE YOU OR SHARE YOUR PHILOSOPHY, THAT'S CRITICAL.

SHARE YOUR PHILOSOPHY, THAT'S CRITICAL.

>> THAT'S LANGUAGE WE DON'T HEAR CRITICAL.

>> THAT'S LANGUAGE WE DON'T HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM POLITICIANS, >> THAT'S LANGUAGE WE DON'T HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM POLITICIANS, RIGHT?

ALL THE TIME FROM POLITICIANS, RIGHT?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

RIGHT?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I THINK IT SHOWS THE IMPACT THAT >> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I THINK IT SHOWS THE IMPACT THAT POPE FRANCIS HAD ON THE I THINK IT SHOWS THE IMPACT THAT POPE FRANCIS HAD ON THE PRESIDENT.

POPE FRANCIS HAD ON THE PRESIDENT.

THAT LANGUAGE THAT THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENT.

THAT LANGUAGE THAT THE PRESIDENT USES IS VERY MUCH LIKE THE THAT LANGUAGE THAT THE PRESIDENT USES IS VERY MUCH LIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT THE POPE USES IN USES IS VERY MUCH LIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT THE POPE USES IN HIS APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION LANGUAGE THAT THE POPE USES IN HIS APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION EVANGELII GAUDIUM, "THE JOY OF HIS APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION EVANGELII GAUDIUM, "THE JOY OF THE GOSPEL," WHERE HE TALKS EVANGELII GAUDIUM, "THE JOY OF THE GOSPEL," WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT OUR NEED TO LOOK AT ONE THE GOSPEL," WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT OUR NEED TO LOOK AT ONE ANOTHER AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS, ABOUT OUR NEED TO LOOK AT ONE ANOTHER AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS, NOT THE MEMBERS OF TRIBES OR ANOTHER AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS, NOT THE MEMBERS OF TRIBES OR NATIONS OR POLITICAL PARTIES OR NOT THE MEMBERS OF TRIBES OR NATIONS OR POLITICAL PARTIES OR RELIGIONS, BUT TO TREAT ALL OF NATIONS OR POLITICAL PARTIES OR RELIGIONS, BUT TO TREAT ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN AS OUR BROTHERS RELIGIONS, BUT TO TREAT ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN AS OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

GOD'S CHILDREN AS OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

>> WHEN THE POPE SPEAKS ABOUT AND SISTERS.

>> WHEN THE POPE SPEAKS ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THE POOR IN THE >> WHEN THE POPE SPEAKS ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THE POOR IN THE WORLD, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS TAKING CARE OF THE POOR IN THE WORLD, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR CAPITALISM?

WORLD, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR CAPITALISM?

>> WELL, HE HAS BEEN VERY FOR CAPITALISM?

>> WELL, HE HAS BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF THE CAPITALISTIC >> WELL, HE HAS BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF THE CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM.

CRITICAL OF THE CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM.

IT'S NOT THAT HE HAS SOME GRAND SYSTEM.

IT'S NOT THAT HE HAS SOME GRAND ECONOMIC PLAN.

IT'S NOT THAT HE HAS SOME GRAND ECONOMIC PLAN.

HE ACTS LIKE AN OLD TESTAMENT ECONOMIC PLAN.

HE ACTS LIKE AN OLD TESTAMENT PROPHET AND COMES IN AND SAYS, HE ACTS LIKE AN OLD TESTAMENT PROPHET AND COMES IN AND SAYS, "THIS IS WRONG.

PROPHET AND COMES IN AND SAYS, "THIS IS WRONG.

THE POOR ARE STILL WITH US.

"THIS IS WRONG.

THE POOR ARE STILL WITH US.

THEY'RE SUFFERING.

THE POOR ARE STILL WITH US.

THEY'RE SUFFERING.

THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING FOR THEY'RE SUFFERING.

THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING FOR THEM.

THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING FOR THEM.

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT."

THEM.

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT."

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT."

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S TELLING POLITICIANS AND BUSINESS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S TELLING POLITICIANS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE.

TELLING POLITICIANS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE.

>> AND BACK TO THE MEETING PEOPLE.

>> AND BACK TO THE MEETING BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE >> AND BACK TO THE MEETING BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE POPE.

BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE POPE.

SO WHAT?

POPE.

SO WHAT?

WHAT'S ACCOMPLISHED?

SO WHAT?

WHAT'S ACCOMPLISHED?

>> WELL, I THINK THERE'S WHAT'S ACCOMPLISHED?

>> WELL, I THINK THERE'S SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM >> WELL, I THINK THERE'S SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES.

SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES.

THE POPE IS GOING TO THE MIDDLE CONSEQUENCES.

THE POPE IS GOING TO THE MIDDLE EAST AND HE WANTS TO BE A VOICE THE POPE IS GOING TO THE MIDDLE EAST AND HE WANTS TO BE A VOICE TO HELP FOR RECONCILIATION, TO EAST AND HE WANTS TO BE A VOICE TO HELP FOR RECONCILIATION, TO HELP THE PEACE PROCESS, AND TO HELP FOR RECONCILIATION, TO HELP THE PEACE PROCESS, AND THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

HELP THE PEACE PROCESS, AND THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

HE ALSO WANTS TO CHANGE THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

HE ALSO WANTS TO CHANGE ATTITUDES OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE HE ALSO WANTS TO CHANGE ATTITUDES OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD SO WE TREAT ONE ANOTHER AS ATTITUDES OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD SO WE TREAT ONE ANOTHER AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND THEN WORLD SO WE TREAT ONE ANOTHER AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND THEN WE CAN LIVE IN HARMONY AND TAKE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND THEN WE CAN LIVE IN HARMONY AND TAKE CARE OF OUR POOR BROTHERS AND WE CAN LIVE IN HARMONY AND TAKE CARE OF OUR POOR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

CARE OF OUR POOR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

>> TOM REESE OF NATIONAL SISTERS.

>> TOM REESE OF NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER, MANY THANKS >> TOM REESE OF NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER, MANY THANKS TO YOU.

CATHOLIC REPORTER, MANY THANKS TO YOU.

>> GOOD BEING WITH YOU.

TO YOU.

>> GOOD BEING WITH YOU.

>>> A SPECIAL REPORT NOW ON >> GOOD BEING WITH YOU.

>>> A SPECIAL REPORT NOW ON MINISTERS WHO ARE WORKING TWO >>> A SPECIAL REPORT NOW ON MINISTERS WHO ARE WORKING TWO JOBS, ONE IN CHURCH, THE OTHER MINISTERS WHO ARE WORKING TWO JOBS, ONE IN CHURCH, THE OTHER IN THE SECULAR WORLD, IN ORDER JOBS, ONE IN CHURCH, THE OTHER IN THE SECULAR WORLD, IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.

IN THE SECULAR WORLD, IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.

SAUL GONZALEZ REPORTS FROM TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.

SAUL GONZALEZ REPORTS FROM TENNESSEE.

SAUL GONZALEZ REPORTS FROM TENNESSEE.

>> Reporter: ON SUNDAYS, YOU'LL TENNESSEE.

>> Reporter: ON SUNDAYS, YOU'LL FIND PASTOR SAM LIVINGSTON AT >> Reporter: ON SUNDAYS, YOU'LL FIND PASTOR SAM LIVINGSTON AT HIS BAPTIST CHURCH IN HOHENWALD, FIND PASTOR SAM LIVINGSTON AT HIS BAPTIST CHURCH IN HOHENWALD, TENNESSEE.

HIS BAPTIST CHURCH IN HOHENWALD, TENNESSEE.

HE GIVES THE SERMON, HELPS TO TENNESSEE.

HE GIVES THE SERMON, HELPS TO TEACH THE MORNING RELIGION HE GIVES THE SERMON, HELPS TO TEACH THE MORNING RELIGION CLASS, AND MEETS AND GREETS TEACH THE MORNING RELIGION CLASS, AND MEETS AND GREETS MEMBERS OF HIS CONGREGATION.

CLASS, AND MEETS AND GREETS MEMBERS OF HIS CONGREGATION.

IT'S ALL VERY TYPICAL WORK FOR A MEMBERS OF HIS CONGREGATION.

IT'S ALL VERY TYPICAL WORK FOR A MINISTER.

IT'S ALL VERY TYPICAL WORK FOR A MINISTER.

BUT ON THE WEEKDAYS YOU'LL FIND MINISTER.

BUT ON THE WEEKDAYS YOU'LL FIND PASTOR LIVINGSTON AT HIS OTHER BUT ON THE WEEKDAYS YOU'LL FIND PASTOR LIVINGSTON AT HIS OTHER VERY DIFFERENT JOB AS HEAD OF PASTOR LIVINGSTON AT HIS OTHER VERY DIFFERENT JOB AS HEAD OF PUBLIC UTILITIES FOR HIS RURAL VERY DIFFERENT JOB AS HEAD OF PUBLIC UTILITIES FOR HIS RURAL COUNTY.

PUBLIC UTILITIES FOR HIS RURAL COUNTY.

THIS MORNING, THE JOB INVOLVES COUNTY.

THIS MORNING, THE JOB INVOLVES SUPERVISING A CREW REPAIRING A THIS MORNING, THE JOB INVOLVES SUPERVISING A CREW REPAIRING A BROKEN SEWER LINE.

SUPERVISING A CREW REPAIRING A BROKEN SEWER LINE.

IT'S NOT CHURCH WORK?

BROKEN SEWER LINE.

IT'S NOT CHURCH WORK?

>> NO, SIR.

IT'S NOT CHURCH WORK?

>> NO, SIR.

NO, SIR.

>> NO, SIR.

NO, SIR.

IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

NO, SIR.

IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

CHURCH SMELLS A LOT BETTER THAN IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

CHURCH SMELLS A LOT BETTER THAN THIS DOES!

CHURCH SMELLS A LOT BETTER THAN THIS DOES!

>> Reporter: WITH ONE JOB IN THE THIS DOES!

>> Reporter: WITH ONE JOB IN THE SECULAR WORLD AND THE OTHER IN >> Reporter: WITH ONE JOB IN THE SECULAR WORLD AND THE OTHER IN THE RELIGIOUS, SAM LIVINGSTON IS SECULAR WORLD AND THE OTHER IN THE RELIGIOUS, SAM LIVINGSTON IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS A BIVOCATIONAL THE RELIGIOUS, SAM LIVINGSTON IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR.

WHAT'S KNOWN AS A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR.

>> THE TERM BIVOCATIONAL MEANS PASTOR.

>> THE TERM BIVOCATIONAL MEANS THAT THE PASTOR HAS A SECOND >> THE TERM BIVOCATIONAL MEANS THAT THE PASTOR HAS A SECOND JOB.

THAT THE PASTOR HAS A SECOND JOB.

>> Reporter: RAY GILDER IS THE JOB.

>> Reporter: RAY GILDER IS THE BIVOCATIONAL SPECIALIST FOR THE >> Reporter: RAY GILDER IS THE BIVOCATIONAL SPECIALIST FOR THE TENNESSEE BAPTIST CONVENTION AND BIVOCATIONAL SPECIALIST FOR THE TENNESSEE BAPTIST CONVENTION AND HE'S WRITTEN A BOOK ON THE TENNESSEE BAPTIST CONVENTION AND HE'S WRITTEN A BOOK ON THE SUBJECT.

HE'S WRITTEN A BOOK ON THE SUBJECT.

HE SAYS MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU SUBJECT.

HE SAYS MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU THINK IN THE AMERICAN WORKPLACE HE SAYS MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU THINK IN THE AMERICAN WORKPLACE ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY.

THINK IN THE AMERICAN WORKPLACE ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY.

>> BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS ARE ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY.

>> BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS ARE POLICEMEN, HIGHWAY PATROLMEN, >> BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS ARE POLICEMEN, HIGHWAY PATROLMEN, THEY'RE LAWYERS, ALL KINDS OF POLICEMEN, HIGHWAY PATROLMEN, THEY'RE LAWYERS, ALL KINDS OF PROFESSIONS.

THEY'RE LAWYERS, ALL KINDS OF PROFESSIONS.

YOU NAME IT, WE HAVE PROFESSIONS.

YOU NAME IT, WE HAVE BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS.

YOU NAME IT, WE HAVE BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS.

>> Reporter: GILDER ALSO SAYS BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS.

>> Reporter: GILDER ALSO SAYS THE IDEA OF A PASTOR HOLDING >> Reporter: GILDER ALSO SAYS THE IDEA OF A PASTOR HOLDING DOWN MORE THAN ONE JOB HAS VERY THE IDEA OF A PASTOR HOLDING DOWN MORE THAN ONE JOB HAS VERY OLD ROOTS.

DOWN MORE THAN ONE JOB HAS VERY OLD ROOTS.

>> YOU SEE, IT'S A BIBLICAL OLD ROOTS.

>> YOU SEE, IT'S A BIBLICAL MODEL.

>> YOU SEE, IT'S A BIBLICAL MODEL.

PAUL MADE TENTS AND WAS A PRETTY MODEL.

PAUL MADE TENTS AND WAS A PRETTY GOOD PREACHER.

PAUL MADE TENTS AND WAS A PRETTY GOOD PREACHER.

JESUS WAS A CARPENTER.

GOOD PREACHER.

JESUS WAS A CARPENTER.

AMOS GATHERED SYCAMORE FRUIT.

JESUS WAS A CARPENTER.

AMOS GATHERED SYCAMORE FRUIT.

YOU NAME IT.

AMOS GATHERED SYCAMORE FRUIT.

YOU NAME IT.

THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOU NAME IT.

THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE WHO WERE OF GREAT USE THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE WHO WERE OF GREAT USE TO GOD AND HAD ANOTHER JOB.

THE BIBLE WHO WERE OF GREAT USE TO GOD AND HAD ANOTHER JOB.

>> Reporter: IN TENNESSEE, TO GOD AND HAD ANOTHER JOB.

>> Reporter: IN TENNESSEE, NEARLY HALF OF THE STATE'S >> Reporter: IN TENNESSEE, NEARLY HALF OF THE STATE'S 3,000 BAPTIST CHURCHES ARE NEARLY HALF OF THE STATE'S 3,000 BAPTIST CHURCHES ARE HEADED BY A PASTOR WHO ALSO HAS 3,000 BAPTIST CHURCHES ARE HEADED BY A PASTOR WHO ALSO HAS ANOTHER JOB.

HEADED BY A PASTOR WHO ALSO HAS ANOTHER JOB.

FOR MANY MINISTERS, WORKING AT ANOTHER JOB.

FOR MANY MINISTERS, WORKING AT MORE THAN ONE PLACE IS A CHOICE, FOR MANY MINISTERS, WORKING AT MORE THAN ONE PLACE IS A CHOICE, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR MORE THAN ONE PLACE IS A CHOICE, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR EVERYONE.

BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR EVERYONE.

HERE IN RURAL TENNESSEE, LIKE IN EVERYONE.

HERE IN RURAL TENNESSEE, LIKE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, HERE IN RURAL TENNESSEE, LIKE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, PASTORS OFTEN TAKE ANOTHER JOB OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, PASTORS OFTEN TAKE ANOTHER JOB BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.

PASTORS OFTEN TAKE ANOTHER JOB BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.

THEIR CHURCHES AND CONGREGATIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.

THEIR CHURCHES AND CONGREGATIONS ARE SIMPLY TOO SMALL TO SUPPORT THEIR CHURCHES AND CONGREGATIONS ARE SIMPLY TOO SMALL TO SUPPORT THEM.

ARE SIMPLY TOO SMALL TO SUPPORT THEM.

WORKING AS A PASTOR IN THESE THEM.

WORKING AS A PASTOR IN THESE COMMUNITIES MAY FILL THEIR WORKING AS A PASTOR IN THESE COMMUNITIES MAY FILL THEIR SOULS, BUT IT DOESN'T COMMUNITIES MAY FILL THEIR SOULS, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FILL THEIR WALLETS.

SOULS, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FILL THEIR WALLETS.

>> OBVIOUSLY, WHY I DO THE JOB NECESSARILY FILL THEIR WALLETS.

>> OBVIOUSLY, WHY I DO THE JOB IN TOWN, OR WHY I DO MY REGULAR >> OBVIOUSLY, WHY I DO THE JOB IN TOWN, OR WHY I DO MY REGULAR JOB DURING THE DAY IS BECAUSE I IN TOWN, OR WHY I DO MY REGULAR JOB DURING THE DAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND JOB DURING THE DAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND INSURANCE AND PROVIDE FOR MY HAVE TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND INSURANCE AND PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY.

INSURANCE AND PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY.

>> Reporter: YOU WOULDN'T BE FAMILY.

>> Reporter: YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT FOOD ON YOUR OWN >> Reporter: YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT FOOD ON YOUR OWN FAMILY'S TABLE IF ALL YOU DID ABLE TO PUT FOOD ON YOUR OWN FAMILY'S TABLE IF ALL YOU DID WAS BEING A PASTOR?

FAMILY'S TABLE IF ALL YOU DID WAS BEING A PASTOR?

>> YES, YES.

WAS BEING A PASTOR?

>> YES, YES.

IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HARD FOR >> YES, YES.

IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HARD FOR ME TO LIVE RIGHT NOW ON WHAT I IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HARD FOR ME TO LIVE RIGHT NOW ON WHAT I MAKE HERE AS THE PASTOR.

ME TO LIVE RIGHT NOW ON WHAT I MAKE HERE AS THE PASTOR.

>> Reporter: LIVINGSTON HAS BEEN MAKE HERE AS THE PASTOR.

>> Reporter: LIVINGSTON HAS BEEN A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR FOR MORE >> Reporter: LIVINGSTON HAS BEEN A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR FOR MORE THAN A DECADE, YEARS DURING A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR FOR MORE THAN A DECADE, YEARS DURING WHICH HE WAS ALSO A COP ON THE THAN A DECADE, YEARS DURING WHICH HE WAS ALSO A COP ON THE BEAT AND HIS COMMUNITY'S CHIEF WHICH HE WAS ALSO A COP ON THE BEAT AND HIS COMMUNITY'S CHIEF OF POLICE.

BEAT AND HIS COMMUNITY'S CHIEF OF POLICE.

HE ACKNOWLEDGES IT'S NOT EASY OF POLICE.

HE ACKNOWLEDGES IT'S NOT EASY JUGGLING FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES HE ACKNOWLEDGES IT'S NOT EASY JUGGLING FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES AND TWO JOBS, ESPECIALLY WHEN JUGGLING FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES AND TWO JOBS, ESPECIALLY WHEN ONE OF THOSE JOBS COMES WITH A AND TWO JOBS, ESPECIALLY WHEN ONE OF THOSE JOBS COMES WITH A CONGREGATION AND ALL OF ITS ONE OF THOSE JOBS COMES WITH A CONGREGATION AND ALL OF ITS NEEDS.

CONGREGATION AND ALL OF ITS NEEDS.

>> THE REAL CHALLENGE TO ME, AND NEEDS.

>> THE REAL CHALLENGE TO ME, AND SOMETIMES IT'S STILL -- WITHOUT >> THE REAL CHALLENGE TO ME, AND SOMETIMES IT'S STILL -- WITHOUT GOD'S GRACE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE SOMETIMES IT'S STILL -- WITHOUT GOD'S GRACE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT, IS THE FACT OF GOD'S GRACE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT, IS THE FACT OF OVERWHELMING RESPONSIBILITY OF TO DO IT, IS THE FACT OF OVERWHELMING RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING THE PASTOR.

OVERWHELMING RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING THE PASTOR.

WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN THE HOSPITAL BEING THE PASTOR.

WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN THE HOSPITAL OR GET SICK OR HAVE LOST A LOVED WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN THE HOSPITAL OR GET SICK OR HAVE LOST A LOVED ONE, OR GET IN A CAR ACCIDENT, OR GET SICK OR HAVE LOST A LOVED ONE, OR GET IN A CAR ACCIDENT, THE THING THAT IS HARD TO ME IS ONE, OR GET IN A CAR ACCIDENT, THE THING THAT IS HARD TO ME IS THAT I JUST CAN'T BE THERE.

THE THING THAT IS HARD TO ME IS THAT I JUST CAN'T BE THERE.

I WORK A JOB DURING THE DAY.

THAT I JUST CAN'T BE THERE.

I WORK A JOB DURING THE DAY.

I DON'T HAVE THE DAYS TO TAKE I WORK A JOB DURING THE DAY.

I DON'T HAVE THE DAYS TO TAKE OFF TO GO TO THOSE KINDS OF I DON'T HAVE THE DAYS TO TAKE OFF TO GO TO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

OFF TO GO TO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT'S REAL HARD, NOT THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT'S REAL HARD, NOT HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO MINISTER THAT'S WHAT'S REAL HARD, NOT HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO MINISTER LIKE YOU SHOULD.

HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO MINISTER LIKE YOU SHOULD.

>> Reporter: RAY GILDER SAYS LIKE YOU SHOULD.

>> Reporter: RAY GILDER SAYS SUCH GUILT, OR FEELING STRETCHED >> Reporter: RAY GILDER SAYS SUCH GUILT, OR FEELING STRETCHED THIN, ARE COMMON AMONG SUCH GUILT, OR FEELING STRETCHED THIN, ARE COMMON AMONG BIVOCATIONAL MINISTERS.

THIN, ARE COMMON AMONG BIVOCATIONAL MINISTERS.

>> THEY HAVE TO MAKE WHAT TIME BIVOCATIONAL MINISTERS.

>> THEY HAVE TO MAKE WHAT TIME THEY HAVE USEFUL.

>> THEY HAVE TO MAKE WHAT TIME THEY HAVE USEFUL.

THEY CAN'T WASTE A LOT OF TIME.

THEY HAVE USEFUL.

THEY CAN'T WASTE A LOT OF TIME.

I TELL PEOPLE THAT BIVOCATIONAL THEY CAN'T WASTE A LOT OF TIME.

I TELL PEOPLE THAT BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS CAN BE A LOT OF THINGS, I TELL PEOPLE THAT BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS CAN BE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THEY CAN'T BE LAZY.

PASTORS CAN BE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THEY CAN'T BE LAZY.

THEY HAVE TO BE BUSY AND KNOW BUT THEY CAN'T BE LAZY.

THEY HAVE TO BE BUSY AND KNOW HOW TO GET THE JOB DONE.

THEY HAVE TO BE BUSY AND KNOW HOW TO GET THE JOB DONE.

>> Reporter: BUT BIVOCATIONAL HOW TO GET THE JOB DONE.

>> Reporter: BUT BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS, AND THEIR CHURCHES, CAN >> Reporter: BUT BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS, AND THEIR CHURCHES, CAN ALSO ENJOY STRENGTHS.

PASTORS, AND THEIR CHURCHES, CAN ALSO ENJOY STRENGTHS.

OFTEN, MEMBERS OF THE ALSO ENJOY STRENGTHS.

OFTEN, MEMBERS OF THE CONGREGATION WILL STEP IN TO DO OFTEN, MEMBERS OF THE CONGREGATION WILL STEP IN TO DO JOBS THE PASTOR JUST DOESN'T CONGREGATION WILL STEP IN TO DO JOBS THE PASTOR JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO, FROM CHURCH JOBS THE PASTOR JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO, FROM CHURCH OFFICE WORK TO COMFORTING FELLOW HAVE THE TIME TO DO, FROM CHURCH OFFICE WORK TO COMFORTING FELLOW CONGREGANTS WHO ARE SICK OR OFFICE WORK TO COMFORTING FELLOW CONGREGANTS WHO ARE SICK OR DYING.

CONGREGANTS WHO ARE SICK OR DYING.

THOSE EXTRA DUTIES, SAY DYING.

THOSE EXTRA DUTIES, SAY BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS, CAN CREATE THOSE EXTRA DUTIES, SAY BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS, CAN CREATE MORE OF A SENSE OF SHARED CHURCH BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS, CAN CREATE MORE OF A SENSE OF SHARED CHURCH OWNERSHIP.

MORE OF A SENSE OF SHARED CHURCH OWNERSHIP.

MANY CONGREGANTS, SAYS RAY OWNERSHIP.

MANY CONGREGANTS, SAYS RAY GILDER, ALSO FEEL A PASTOR WHO MANY CONGREGANTS, SAYS RAY GILDER, ALSO FEEL A PASTOR WHO PUNCHES A TIME CLOCK SOMEPLACE GILDER, ALSO FEEL A PASTOR WHO PUNCHES A TIME CLOCK SOMEPLACE ELSE CAN BETTER RELATE TO THEM PUNCHES A TIME CLOCK SOMEPLACE ELSE CAN BETTER RELATE TO THEM AND THEIR WORKING LIVES.

ELSE CAN BETTER RELATE TO THEM AND THEIR WORKING LIVES.

>> THE ADVANTAGE IS HE HAS HIS AND THEIR WORKING LIVES.

>> THE ADVANTAGE IS HE HAS HIS EAR TO THE GROUND.

>> THE ADVANTAGE IS HE HAS HIS EAR TO THE GROUND.

HE KNOWS WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING EAR TO THE GROUND.

HE KNOWS WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH.

HE KNOWS WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH.

>> Reporter: HE KNOWS WHAT THE THROUGH.

>> Reporter: HE KNOWS WHAT THE WORKING WORLD IS LIKE?

>> Reporter: HE KNOWS WHAT THE WORKING WORLD IS LIKE?

>> THE WORKING WORLD AND THE WORKING WORLD IS LIKE?

>> THE WORKING WORLD AND THE STRESS AND THE PRESSURE AND >> THE WORKING WORLD AND THE STRESS AND THE PRESSURE AND BEING OUT THERE AMONG BOSSES WHO STRESS AND THE PRESSURE AND BEING OUT THERE AMONG BOSSES WHO OFTEN AREN'T KIND TO YOU, THE BEING OUT THERE AMONG BOSSES WHO OFTEN AREN'T KIND TO YOU, THE DIFFICULTY OF GETTING YOUR JOB OFTEN AREN'T KIND TO YOU, THE DIFFICULTY OF GETTING YOUR JOB DONE ON TIME.

DIFFICULTY OF GETTING YOUR JOB DONE ON TIME.

SO HE KNOWS MORE OF WHAT HIS DONE ON TIME.

SO HE KNOWS MORE OF WHAT HIS PEOPLE ARE FEELING.

SO HE KNOWS MORE OF WHAT HIS PEOPLE ARE FEELING.

>> Reporter: THAT'S WHAT MEMBERS PEOPLE ARE FEELING.

>> Reporter: THAT'S WHAT MEMBERS OF SAM LIVINGSTON'S CHURCH SAY >> Reporter: THAT'S WHAT MEMBERS OF SAM LIVINGSTON'S CHURCH SAY ABOUT HIM.

OF SAM LIVINGSTON'S CHURCH SAY ABOUT HIM.

>> HE HAS TO GO OUT AND BE PART ABOUT HIM.

>> HE HAS TO GO OUT AND BE PART OF THE WORLD, TOO, WHICH IS WHAT >> HE HAS TO GO OUT AND BE PART OF THE WORLD, TOO, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE CALLED TO DO ALSO, AND OF THE WORLD, TOO, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE CALLED TO DO ALSO, AND NOT JUST HIDE BEHIND THE WALLS WE ARE CALLED TO DO ALSO, AND NOT JUST HIDE BEHIND THE WALLS OF OUR CHURCH.

NOT JUST HIDE BEHIND THE WALLS OF OUR CHURCH.

>> Reporter: LOOKING AHEAD, RAY OF OUR CHURCH.

>> Reporter: LOOKING AHEAD, RAY GILDER PREDICTS THE NUMBER OF >> Reporter: LOOKING AHEAD, RAY GILDER PREDICTS THE NUMBER OF BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS IN THE GILDER PREDICTS THE NUMBER OF BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS IN THE UNITED STATES WILL ONLY GROW.

BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS IN THE UNITED STATES WILL ONLY GROW.

SHRINKING CONGREGATIONS IN MANY UNITED STATES WILL ONLY GROW.

SHRINKING CONGREGATIONS IN MANY CHURCHES AND CONTINUING SHRINKING CONGREGATIONS IN MANY CHURCHES AND CONTINUING UNCERTAIN ECONOMIC TIMES WILL CHURCHES AND CONTINUING UNCERTAIN ECONOMIC TIMES WILL MAKE IT INEVITABLE, HE SAYS.

UNCERTAIN ECONOMIC TIMES WILL MAKE IT INEVITABLE, HE SAYS.

>> PROBABLY IN AMERICA IN THE MAKE IT INEVITABLE, HE SAYS.

>> PROBABLY IN AMERICA IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR SO, >> PROBABLY IN AMERICA IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR SO, BIVOCATIONAL WILL BE VERY COMMON NEXT 20 YEARS OR SO, BIVOCATIONAL WILL BE VERY COMMON AND ACCEPTED IN ALL CIRCLES.

BIVOCATIONAL WILL BE VERY COMMON AND ACCEPTED IN ALL CIRCLES.

>> Reporter: ANOTHER DIMENSION AND ACCEPTED IN ALL CIRCLES.

>> Reporter: ANOTHER DIMENSION OF BIVOCATIONALISM THAT'S >> Reporter: ANOTHER DIMENSION OF BIVOCATIONALISM THAT'S INCREASINGLY IN EVIDENCE ARE OF BIVOCATIONALISM THAT'S INCREASINGLY IN EVIDENCE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO BECOME PASTORS INCREASINGLY IN EVIDENCE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO BECOME PASTORS LATER IN LIFE WITHOUT LEAVING THOSE WHO WANT TO BECOME PASTORS LATER IN LIFE WITHOUT LEAVING THEIR FIRST JOB AND THE LATER IN LIFE WITHOUT LEAVING THEIR FIRST JOB AND THE FINANCIAL SECURITY IT PROVIDES.

THEIR FIRST JOB AND THE FINANCIAL SECURITY IT PROVIDES.

JOHN NEWBY OWNS ONE OF THE FINANCIAL SECURITY IT PROVIDES.

JOHN NEWBY OWNS ONE OF THE BIGGEST RECREATIONAL VEHICLE JOHN NEWBY OWNS ONE OF THE BIGGEST RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SALES BUSINESSES IN EASTERN BIGGEST RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SALES BUSINESSES IN EASTERN TENNESSEE AND IS IN TRAINING TO SALES BUSINESSES IN EASTERN TENNESSEE AND IS IN TRAINING TO BECOME THE PASTOR FOR THE CHURCH TENNESSEE AND IS IN TRAINING TO BECOME THE PASTOR FOR THE CHURCH THAT'S A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM BECOME THE PASTOR FOR THE CHURCH THAT'S A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM WHERE HE SELLS HIS RVs.

THAT'S A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM WHERE HE SELLS HIS RVs.

HE PLANS ON KEEPING BOTH JOBS WHERE HE SELLS HIS RVs.

HE PLANS ON KEEPING BOTH JOBS WHEN HE BECOMES A FULL MINISTER.

HE PLANS ON KEEPING BOTH JOBS WHEN HE BECOMES A FULL MINISTER.

>> I AM WIDE OPEN IN ANYTHING I WHEN HE BECOMES A FULL MINISTER.

>> I AM WIDE OPEN IN ANYTHING I DO.

>> I AM WIDE OPEN IN ANYTHING I DO.

>> Reporter: YOU ARE FULL OF DO.

>> Reporter: YOU ARE FULL OF ENERGY?

>> Reporter: YOU ARE FULL OF ENERGY?

YOU FEEL YOU CAN DO BOTH OF ENERGY?

YOU FEEL YOU CAN DO BOTH OF THESE JOBS WELL?

YOU FEEL YOU CAN DO BOTH OF THESE JOBS WELL?

>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

THESE JOBS WELL?

>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

I KNOW IN WHO I BELIEVE.

>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

I KNOW IN WHO I BELIEVE.

>> Reporter: WHY NOT JUST DO ONE I KNOW IN WHO I BELIEVE.

>> Reporter: WHY NOT JUST DO ONE OR THE OTHER?

>> Reporter: WHY NOT JUST DO ONE OR THE OTHER?

>> WELL, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT OR THE OTHER?

>> WELL, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

>> WELL, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

GOD COMES FIRST, BUT YOU STILL THAT.

GOD COMES FIRST, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO WORK AND TAKE CARE OF GOD COMES FIRST, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO WORK AND TAKE CARE OF OBLIGATIONS AND HAVE TO WORK AND TAKE CARE OF OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT I REALLY OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT I REALLY FEEL THAT THE CALLING IS WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT I REALLY FEEL THAT THE CALLING IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER FIRST.

FEEL THAT THE CALLING IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER FIRST.

>> Reporter: ECHOING OTHER YOU HAVE TO ANSWER FIRST.

>> Reporter: ECHOING OTHER SPOUSES IN THE SAME POSITION, >> Reporter: ECHOING OTHER SPOUSES IN THE SAME POSITION, WHEN JOHN'S WIFE, MARY, FIRST SPOUSES IN THE SAME POSITION, WHEN JOHN'S WIFE, MARY, FIRST HEARD ABOUT HIS DECISION TO JOIN WHEN JOHN'S WIFE, MARY, FIRST HEARD ABOUT HIS DECISION TO JOIN THE MINISTRY WHILE KEEPING HIS HEARD ABOUT HIS DECISION TO JOIN THE MINISTRY WHILE KEEPING HIS BUSINESS -— WELL, SHE WASN'T THE MINISTRY WHILE KEEPING HIS BUSINESS -— WELL, SHE WASN'T THRILLED.

BUSINESS -— WELL, SHE WASN'T THRILLED.

>> I CRIED.

THRILLED.

>> I CRIED.

I WAS COMPLETELY UNPREPARED.

>> I CRIED.

I WAS COMPLETELY UNPREPARED.

THIS WAS NOT IN OUR PLANS.

I WAS COMPLETELY UNPREPARED.

THIS WAS NOT IN OUR PLANS.

>> Reporter: MARY HAS SINCE THIS WAS NOT IN OUR PLANS.

>> Reporter: MARY HAS SINCE RECONCILED HERSELF TO JOHN'S >> Reporter: MARY HAS SINCE RECONCILED HERSELF TO JOHN'S DECISION, BUT RAY GILDER SAYS RECONCILED HERSELF TO JOHN'S DECISION, BUT RAY GILDER SAYS TOO MANY BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS DECISION, BUT RAY GILDER SAYS TOO MANY BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TOLL THEIR TOO MANY BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TOLL THEIR LIFE CAN TAKE ON SPOUSES.

DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TOLL THEIR LIFE CAN TAKE ON SPOUSES.

>> A LOT OF THESE BIVOCATIONAL LIFE CAN TAKE ON SPOUSES.

>> A LOT OF THESE BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS SURRENDER LATE IN LIFE.

>> A LOT OF THESE BIVOCATIONAL PASTORS SURRENDER LATE IN LIFE.

THEIR WIVES HAD ANOTHER PASTORS SURRENDER LATE IN LIFE.

THEIR WIVES HAD ANOTHER LIFESTYLE BEFORE SHE BECAME A THEIR WIVES HAD ANOTHER LIFESTYLE BEFORE SHE BECAME A PASTOR'S WIFE.

LIFESTYLE BEFORE SHE BECAME A PASTOR'S WIFE.

THERE IS A STRAIN ON THEM ABOUT PASTOR'S WIFE.

THERE IS A STRAIN ON THEM ABOUT WONDERING "DO I MEASURE UP?

THERE IS A STRAIN ON THEM ABOUT WONDERING "DO I MEASURE UP?

AM I ADEQUATE?

WONDERING "DO I MEASURE UP?

AM I ADEQUATE?

AM I DISHONORING TO MY HUSBAND AM I ADEQUATE?

AM I DISHONORING TO MY HUSBAND WHO'S A PASTOR?"

AM I DISHONORING TO MY HUSBAND WHO'S A PASTOR?"

>> Reporter: BACK IN HOHENWALD, WHO'S A PASTOR?"

>> Reporter: BACK IN HOHENWALD, PASTOR SAM LIVINGSTON'S WIFE, >> Reporter: BACK IN HOHENWALD, PASTOR SAM LIVINGSTON'S WIFE, KIM, KNOWS ALL ABOUT THE JOYS PASTOR SAM LIVINGSTON'S WIFE, KIM, KNOWS ALL ABOUT THE JOYS AND BURDENS THAT COME WITH BEING KIM, KNOWS ALL ABOUT THE JOYS AND BURDENS THAT COME WITH BEING MARRIED TO A BIVOCATIONAL AND BURDENS THAT COME WITH BEING MARRIED TO A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR, FROM HER HUSBAND BEING MARRIED TO A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR, FROM HER HUSBAND BEING GONE LONG HOURS TO JUGGLING HER PASTOR, FROM HER HUSBAND BEING GONE LONG HOURS TO JUGGLING HER OWN WORK AS A PASTOR'S WIFE AND GONE LONG HOURS TO JUGGLING HER OWN WORK AS A PASTOR'S WIFE AND A JOB IN THE HOME MORTGAGE OWN WORK AS A PASTOR'S WIFE AND A JOB IN THE HOME MORTGAGE INDUSTRY.

A JOB IN THE HOME MORTGAGE INDUSTRY.

>> WELL, IF I ALLOW THE SPIRIT INDUSTRY.

>> WELL, IF I ALLOW THE SPIRIT TO BE IN CONTROL, THEN WE WORK >> WELL, IF I ALLOW THE SPIRIT TO BE IN CONTROL, THEN WE WORK IT OUT.

TO BE IN CONTROL, THEN WE WORK IT OUT.

BUT WHEN MY FLESH TAKES OVER, IT OUT.

BUT WHEN MY FLESH TAKES OVER, THEN USUALLY THERE'S SOME KIND BUT WHEN MY FLESH TAKES OVER, THEN USUALLY THERE'S SOME KIND OF SPOUTING OUT AND THEN APOLOGY THEN USUALLY THERE'S SOME KIND OF SPOUTING OUT AND THEN APOLOGY LATER.

OF SPOUTING OUT AND THEN APOLOGY LATER.

>> Reporter: SAM LIVINGSTON SAYS LATER.

>> Reporter: SAM LIVINGSTON SAYS DESPITE THE PRESSURES, HE'LL >> Reporter: SAM LIVINGSTON SAYS DESPITE THE PRESSURES, HE'LL REMAIN A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR FOR DESPITE THE PRESSURES, HE'LL REMAIN A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, WITH ONE REMAIN A BIVOCATIONAL PASTOR FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, WITH ONE JOB PROVIDING HIM A LIVING, THE THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, WITH ONE JOB PROVIDING HIM A LIVING, THE OTHER A SENSE OF HIGHER PURPOSE.

JOB PROVIDING HIM A LIVING, THE OTHER A SENSE OF HIGHER PURPOSE.

>> MY GOAL IS TO SERVE THE LORD.

OTHER A SENSE OF HIGHER PURPOSE.

>> MY GOAL IS TO SERVE THE LORD.

IF THE LORD CHOOSES TO HAVE ME >> MY GOAL IS TO SERVE THE LORD.

IF THE LORD CHOOSES TO HAVE ME HERE UNTIL THE TIME I RETIRE OR IF THE LORD CHOOSES TO HAVE ME HERE UNTIL THE TIME I RETIRE OR GO TO BE WITH HIM, I'M FINE WITH HERE UNTIL THE TIME I RETIRE OR GO TO BE WITH HIM, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

GO TO BE WITH HIM, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

>> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION AND THAT.

>> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL >> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL GONZALEZ IN HOHENWALD, ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL GONZALEZ IN HOHENWALD, TENNESSEE.

GONZALEZ IN HOHENWALD, TENNESSEE.

>>> AS GOOD FRIDAY APPROACHES, TENNESSEE.

>>> AS GOOD FRIDAY APPROACHES, WE HAVE A REPORT FROM BILL BAKER >>> AS GOOD FRIDAY APPROACHES, WE HAVE A REPORT FROM BILL BAKER ON A GROUP OF MONKS FOR WHOM A WE HAVE A REPORT FROM BILL BAKER ON A GROUP OF MONKS FOR WHOM A SPECIAL COLLECTION IS TAKEN UP ON A GROUP OF MONKS FOR WHOM A SPECIAL COLLECTION IS TAKEN UP EVERY GOOD FRIDAY IN EVERY SPECIAL COLLECTION IS TAKEN UP EVERY GOOD FRIDAY IN EVERY CATHOLIC PARISH IN THE COUNTRY.

EVERY GOOD FRIDAY IN EVERY CATHOLIC PARISH IN THE COUNTRY.

THE MONKS ARE PART OF THE CATHOLIC PARISH IN THE COUNTRY.

THE MONKS ARE PART OF THE FRANCISCAN MONASTERY OF THE HOLY THE MONKS ARE PART OF THE FRANCISCAN MONASTERY OF THE HOLY LAND, ABOUT 400 MONKS WHO HELP FRANCISCAN MONASTERY OF THE HOLY LAND, ABOUT 400 MONKS WHO HELP TAKE CARE OF CHRISTIANITY'S LAND, ABOUT 400 MONKS WHO HELP TAKE CARE OF CHRISTIANITY'S HOLIEST SITES IN AND AROUND TAKE CARE OF CHRISTIANITY'S HOLIEST SITES IN AND AROUND ISRAEL, 54 OF THEM.

HOLIEST SITES IN AND AROUND ISRAEL, 54 OF THEM.

THE FRANCISCANS HAVE BEEN DOING ISRAEL, 54 OF THEM.

THE FRANCISCANS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE THE 14TH CENTURY.

THE FRANCISCANS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE THE 14TH CENTURY.

OF ALL OF THE TOURISTS THAT GO THIS SINCE THE 14TH CENTURY.

OF ALL OF THE TOURISTS THAT GO TO ISRAEL EACH YEAR, IT'S OF ALL OF THE TOURISTS THAT GO TO ISRAEL EACH YEAR, IT'S ESTIMATED HALF OF THEM ARE TO ISRAEL EACH YEAR, IT'S ESTIMATED HALF OF THEM ARE CHRISTIAN PILIGRAMS.

ESTIMATED HALF OF THEM ARE CHRISTIAN PILIGRAMS.

AMONG THEM, GALLEIGH WHERE JESUS CHRISTIAN PILIGRAMS.

AMONG THEM, GALLEIGH WHERE JESUS SPENT HIS LIFE.

AMONG THEM, GALLEIGH WHERE JESUS SPENT HIS LIFE.

GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE, WHERE THE SPENT HIS LIFE.

GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE, WHERE THE GOSPELS SAY JESUS PRAYED THE GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE, WHERE THE GOSPELS SAY JESUS PRAYED THE NIGHT BEFORE HE WAS CRUCIFIED GOSPELS SAY JESUS PRAYED THE NIGHT BEFORE HE WAS CRUCIFIED AND THE CHURCH OF THE HOLY NIGHT BEFORE HE WAS CRUCIFIED AND THE CHURCH OF THE HOLY SEPULCHER, ABOVE WHAT IS AND THE CHURCH OF THE HOLY SEPULCHER, ABOVE WHAT IS VENERATED AS JESUS'S TOMB.

SEPULCHER, ABOVE WHAT IS VENERATED AS JESUS'S TOMB.

IN THE 13TH CENTURY, DURING THE VENERATED AS JESUS'S TOMB.

IN THE 13TH CENTURY, DURING THE 5TH CRUSADE, ANOTHER TRAVELER TO IN THE 13TH CENTURY, DURING THE 5TH CRUSADE, ANOTHER TRAVELER TO THE HOLY LAND WAS THE MAN WHO 5TH CRUSADE, ANOTHER TRAVELER TO THE HOLY LAND WAS THE MAN WHO BECAME SAINT FRANCIS.

THE HOLY LAND WAS THE MAN WHO BECAME SAINT FRANCIS.

HE WENT TO EGYPT TO TRY TO MAKE BECAME SAINT FRANCIS.

HE WENT TO EGYPT TO TRY TO MAKE PEACE BETWEEN THE CHRISTIANS AND HE WENT TO EGYPT TO TRY TO MAKE PEACE BETWEEN THE CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS.

PEACE BETWEEN THE CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS.

LATER, IN FRANCIS'S HONOR, POPE THE MUSLIMS.

LATER, IN FRANCIS'S HONOR, POPE CLEMENT THE 6TH MADE THE ORDER LATER, IN FRANCIS'S HONOR, POPE CLEMENT THE 6TH MADE THE ORDER FRANCIS FOUNDED, THE CLEMENT THE 6TH MADE THE ORDER FRANCIS FOUNDED, THE FRANCISCANS, THE OFFICIAL FRANCIS FOUNDED, THE FRANCISCANS, THE OFFICIAL GUARDIANS OF THE HOLY SITES.

FRANCISCANS, THE OFFICIAL GUARDIANS OF THE HOLY SITES.

WITH OTHERS, THE FRANCISCANS GUARDIANS OF THE HOLY SITES.

WITH OTHERS, THE FRANCISCANS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT EVER SINCE.

WITH OTHERS, THE FRANCISCANS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT EVER SINCE.

>> AND I COME HERE, AND I FEEL HAVE BEEN DOING THAT EVER SINCE.

>> AND I COME HERE, AND I FEEL GOD SO CLOSE TO ME.

>> AND I COME HERE, AND I FEEL GOD SO CLOSE TO ME.

>> Reporter: AT 54 HOLY LAND GOD SO CLOSE TO ME.

>> Reporter: AT 54 HOLY LAND SHRINES AND SANCTUARIES.

>> Reporter: AT 54 HOLY LAND SHRINES AND SANCTUARIES.

ALONG WITH THEIR CARETAKING AND SHRINES AND SANCTUARIES.

ALONG WITH THEIR CARETAKING AND OTHER PROJECTS, THE HOLY LAND ALONG WITH THEIR CARETAKING AND OTHER PROJECTS, THE HOLY LAND FRANCISCANS ALSO TRY TO PROMOTE OTHER PROJECTS, THE HOLY LAND FRANCISCANS ALSO TRY TO PROMOTE INTERFAITH UNDERSTANDING.

FRANCISCANS ALSO TRY TO PROMOTE INTERFAITH UNDERSTANDING.

>> I HAVE BEFRIENDED MUSLIMS AND INTERFAITH UNDERSTANDING.

>> I HAVE BEFRIENDED MUSLIMS AND JEWS, ISRAELIS, EVEN ATHEISTS.

>> I HAVE BEFRIENDED MUSLIMS AND JEWS, ISRAELIS, EVEN ATHEISTS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ATHEISTS JEWS, ISRAELIS, EVEN ATHEISTS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ATHEISTS RUNNING AROUND HERE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ATHEISTS RUNNING AROUND HERE.

MAKES NO DIFFERENCE ANYMORE.

RUNNING AROUND HERE.

MAKES NO DIFFERENCE ANYMORE.

WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU MAKES NO DIFFERENCE ANYMORE.

WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU CARE FOR THEM.

WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU CARE FOR THEM.

>> Reporter: THERE ARE NOW CARE FOR THEM.

>> Reporter: THERE ARE NOW NEARLY 400 FRANCISCAN FRIARS AND >> Reporter: THERE ARE NOW NEARLY 400 FRANCISCAN FRIARS AND NUNS IN AND AROUND ISRAEL.

NEARLY 400 FRANCISCAN FRIARS AND NUNS IN AND AROUND ISRAEL.

THEY RUN A SCHOOL IN JERICHO NUNS IN AND AROUND ISRAEL.

THEY RUN A SCHOOL IN JERICHO WHERE MUSLIM STUDENTS ARE TAUGHT THEY RUN A SCHOOL IN JERICHO WHERE MUSLIM STUDENTS ARE TAUGHT ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN STUDENTS WHERE MUSLIM STUDENTS ARE TAUGHT ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN STUDENTS LEARN CHRISTIANITY.

ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN STUDENTS LEARN CHRISTIANITY.

IN THE OLD CITY OF JERUSALEM LEARN CHRISTIANITY.

IN THE OLD CITY OF JERUSALEM THEY ARE RENOVATING AND BUILDING IN THE OLD CITY OF JERUSALEM THEY ARE RENOVATING AND BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THEY ARE RENOVATING AND BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BACK IN THE U.S., 100 YEARS AGO, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BACK IN THE U.S., 100 YEARS AGO, A FRANCISCAN FRIAR THOUGHT TOO BACK IN THE U.S., 100 YEARS AGO, A FRANCISCAN FRIAR THOUGHT TOO MANY AMERICANS WHO WANTED TO A FRANCISCAN FRIAR THOUGHT TOO MANY AMERICANS WHO WANTED TO VISIT THE HOLY LAND COULD NOT MANY AMERICANS WHO WANTED TO VISIT THE HOLY LAND COULD NOT AFFORD TO DO SO, SO HE LED A VISIT THE HOLY LAND COULD NOT AFFORD TO DO SO, SO HE LED A SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN TO BUILD IN AFFORD TO DO SO, SO HE LED A SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN TO BUILD IN WASHINGTON A MONASTERY AND, SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN TO BUILD IN WASHINGTON A MONASTERY AND, AROUND IT, EXACT REPLICAS OF THE WASHINGTON A MONASTERY AND, AROUND IT, EXACT REPLICAS OF THE HOLIEST CHRISTIAN SITES IN THE AROUND IT, EXACT REPLICAS OF THE HOLIEST CHRISTIAN SITES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THE TOMB OF THE HOLIEST CHRISTIAN SITES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THE TOMB OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE AND THE STONE OF MIDDLE EAST, THE TOMB OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE AND THE STONE OF THE ANOINTING.

HOLY SEPULCHRE AND THE STONE OF THE ANOINTING.

BETHLEHEM, THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE ANOINTING.

BETHLEHEM, THE BIRTHPLACE OF JESUS AND SCENES OF THE BETHLEHEM, THE BIRTHPLACE OF JESUS AND SCENES OF THE CRUCIFIXION.

JESUS AND SCENES OF THE CRUCIFIXION.

>> IT REMINDS PEOPLE OF WHAT IS CRUCIFIXION.

>> IT REMINDS PEOPLE OF WHAT IS PRESENT THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY >> IT REMINDS PEOPLE OF WHAT IS PRESENT THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY AND RE-CREATES IT FOR THEM.

PRESENT THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY AND RE-CREATES IT FOR THEM.

>> WE CALL IT AN OASIS OF PEACE AND RE-CREATES IT FOR THEM.

>> WE CALL IT AN OASIS OF PEACE AND IT REALLY IS.

>> WE CALL IT AN OASIS OF PEACE AND IT REALLY IS.

>> Reporter: TO SUPPORT THE WORK AND IT REALLY IS.

>> Reporter: TO SUPPORT THE WORK OF THE FRANCISCANS, HERE AND IN >> Reporter: TO SUPPORT THE WORK OF THE FRANCISCANS, HERE AND IN THE HOLY LAND, A SPECIAL OF THE FRANCISCANS, HERE AND IN THE HOLY LAND, A SPECIAL COLLECTION IS TAKEN EVERY GOOD THE HOLY LAND, A SPECIAL COLLECTION IS TAKEN EVERY GOOD FRIDAY IN EVERY CATHOLIC PARISH COLLECTION IS TAKEN EVERY GOOD FRIDAY IN EVERY CATHOLIC PARISH IN THE COUNTRY.

FRIDAY IN EVERY CATHOLIC PARISH IN THE COUNTRY.

IT'S REQUIRED BY THE POPE.

THE IN THE COUNTRY.

IT'S REQUIRED BY THE POPE.

THE COLLECTION BRINGS IN EACH YEAR IT'S REQUIRED BY THE POPE.

THE COLLECTION BRINGS IN EACH YEAR ABOUT $12 MILLION, INCREASING A COLLECTION BRINGS IN EACH YEAR ABOUT $12 MILLION, INCREASING A LITTLE EACH YEAR.

ABOUT $12 MILLION, INCREASING A LITTLE EACH YEAR.

ABOUT 2,000 PEOPLE VISIT THE LITTLE EACH YEAR.

ABOUT 2,000 PEOPLE VISIT THE REPLICAS EACH MONTH.

ABOUT 2,000 PEOPLE VISIT THE REPLICAS EACH MONTH.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS REPLICAS EACH MONTH.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS BILL BAKER FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS BILL BAKER AT THE FRANCISCAN MONASTERY OF NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS BILL BAKER AT THE FRANCISCAN MONASTERY OF THE HOLY LAND IN WASHINGTON.

AT THE FRANCISCAN MONASTERY OF THE HOLY LAND IN WASHINGTON.

>>> FINALLY, THE MUSIC AND THE HOLY LAND IN WASHINGTON.

>>> FINALLY, THE MUSIC AND MINISTRY OF THE BLIND BOYS OF >>> FINALLY, THE MUSIC AND MINISTRY OF THE BLIND BOYS OF ALABAMA, PERFORMING GOSPEL MUSIC MINISTRY OF THE BLIND BOYS OF ALABAMA, PERFORMING GOSPEL MUSIC FOR 70 YEARS.

ALABAMA, PERFORMING GOSPEL MUSIC FOR 70 YEARS.

THEY HAVE WON FIVE GRAMMYS AND FOR 70 YEARS.

THEY HAVE WON FIVE GRAMMYS AND THE HEARTS OF MANY AUDIENCES, THEY HAVE WON FIVE GRAMMYS AND THE HEARTS OF MANY AUDIENCES, ESPECIALLY THE DISABLED.

THE HEARTS OF MANY AUDIENCES, ESPECIALLY THE DISABLED.

WE BEGIN WITH ONE OF THE ESPECIALLY THE DISABLED.

WE BEGIN WITH ONE OF THE ORIGINAL BLIND BOYS, SINCE 1944.

WE BEGIN WITH ONE OF THE ORIGINAL BLIND BOYS, SINCE 1944.

HIS NAME IS JIMMY CARTER.

ORIGINAL BLIND BOYS, SINCE 1944.

HIS NAME IS JIMMY CARTER.

>> SIT BACK, RELAX AND LISTEN TO HIS NAME IS JIMMY CARTER.

>> SIT BACK, RELAX AND LISTEN TO THE BLIND BOYS.

>> SIT BACK, RELAX AND LISTEN TO THE BLIND BOYS.

THE BLIND BOYS STARTED OUT IN A THE BLIND BOYS.

THE BLIND BOYS STARTED OUT IN A LITTLE TOWN IN ALABAMA CALLED THE BLIND BOYS STARTED OUT IN A LITTLE TOWN IN ALABAMA CALLED TALLADEGA.

LITTLE TOWN IN ALABAMA CALLED TALLADEGA.

THE GROUP STARTED OUT JUNE 10, TALLADEGA.

THE GROUP STARTED OUT JUNE 10, 1944.

THE GROUP STARTED OUT JUNE 10, 1944.

♪ ALL YOU NEED IS FAITH TO HEAR 1944.

♪ ALL YOU NEED IS FAITH TO HEAR THE DIESELS HUMMING ♪ ALL YOU NEED IS FAITH TO HEAR THE DIESELS HUMMING YOU DON'T NEED NO TICKET THE DIESELS HUMMING YOU DON'T NEED NO TICKET YOU JUST THANK THE LORD♪ YOU DON'T NEED NO TICKET YOU JUST THANK THE LORD♪ >> I WAS BORN WITHOUT SIGHT AND YOU JUST THANK THE LORD♪ >> I WAS BORN WITHOUT SIGHT AND I USED TO QUESTION GOD.

>> I WAS BORN WITHOUT SIGHT AND I USED TO QUESTION GOD.

I WAS THE BABY OF SIX BOYS AND I I USED TO QUESTION GOD.

I WAS THE BABY OF SIX BOYS AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS BLIND I WAS THE BABY OF SIX BOYS AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS BLIND AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS BLIND AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD SING AND SO MUSIC MEANS A AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD SING AND SO MUSIC MEANS A LOT TO ME.

COULD SING AND SO MUSIC MEANS A LOT TO ME.

>> THE BLIND BOYS IS A GROUP LOT TO ME.

>> THE BLIND BOYS IS A GROUP THAT'S NOT BLIND, THEY JUST >> THE BLIND BOYS IS A GROUP THAT'S NOT BLIND, THEY JUST CAN'T SEE AND THAT MEANS THEY THAT'S NOT BLIND, THEY JUST CAN'T SEE AND THAT MEANS THEY MIGHT HAVE LOST THEIR SIGHT, BUT CAN'T SEE AND THAT MEANS THEY MIGHT HAVE LOST THEIR SIGHT, BUT THEY NEVER LOST THEIR DIRECTION.

MIGHT HAVE LOST THEIR SIGHT, BUT THEY NEVER LOST THEIR DIRECTION.

♪ I SHALL NOT BE MOVED♪ THEY NEVER LOST THEIR DIRECTION.

♪ I SHALL NOT BE MOVED♪ >> WE FEEL THAT WE WERE CALLED ♪ I SHALL NOT BE MOVED♪ >> WE FEEL THAT WE WERE CALLED BY GOD TO DO THIS WORK.

>> WE FEEL THAT WE WERE CALLED BY GOD TO DO THIS WORK.

♪ WHEN GOD SHUT NOAH IN THE BY GOD TO DO THIS WORK.

♪ WHEN GOD SHUT NOAH IN THE GRAND OLD ARK ♪ WHEN GOD SHUT NOAH IN THE GRAND OLD ARK HE PUT A RAINBOW IN THE CLOUDS♪ GRAND OLD ARK HE PUT A RAINBOW IN THE CLOUDS♪ >> NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION HE PUT A RAINBOW IN THE CLOUDS♪ >> NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION IS, I'LL FIND A WAY.

>> NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION IS, I'LL FIND A WAY.

GOD WILL FIND A WAY.

IS, I'LL FIND A WAY.

GOD WILL FIND A WAY.

LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS, "IF YOU GOD WILL FIND A WAY.

LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS, "IF YOU TRUST IN THE LORD, HE'LL MAKE A LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS, "IF YOU TRUST IN THE LORD, HE'LL MAKE A WAY," AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S DONE TRUST IN THE LORD, HE'LL MAKE A WAY," AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S DONE FOR THE BLIND BOYS.

WAY," AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S DONE FOR THE BLIND BOYS.

♪ I'M GONNA KEEP ON TRYING ‘TIL FOR THE BLIND BOYS.

♪ I'M GONNA KEEP ON TRYING ‘TIL I REACH THE HIGHER GROUND♪ ♪ I'M GONNA KEEP ON TRYING ‘TIL I REACH THE HIGHER GROUND♪ >> THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY PEACE I REACH THE HIGHER GROUND♪ >> THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY PEACE 'TIL GOD IS AT THE CONFERENCE >> THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY PEACE 'TIL GOD IS AT THE CONFERENCE TABLE.

'TIL GOD IS AT THE CONFERENCE TABLE.

♪ THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY PEACE TABLE.

♪ THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY PEACE UNTIL GOD IS SEATED AT THE ♪ THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY PEACE UNTIL GOD IS SEATED AT THE CONFERENCE TABLE♪ UNTIL GOD IS SEATED AT THE CONFERENCE TABLE♪ >> WE HEARD THE WORDS AND THEN CONFERENCE TABLE♪ >> WE HEARD THE WORDS AND THEN IT WAS MEANING SO MUCH BECAUSE >> WE HEARD THE WORDS AND THEN IT WAS MEANING SO MUCH BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON TODAY SO WE IT WAS MEANING SO MUCH BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON TODAY SO WE HEARD IT AND WE PUT IT DOWN AND OF WHAT WAS GOING ON TODAY SO WE HEARD IT AND WE PUT IT DOWN AND IT SOUNDED SO GOOD AND IT FELT HEARD IT AND WE PUT IT DOWN AND IT SOUNDED SO GOOD AND IT FELT BETTER THAN IT SOUNDED.

IT SOUNDED SO GOOD AND IT FELT BETTER THAN IT SOUNDED.

SO WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO BE BETTER THAN IT SOUNDED.

SO WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO BE KEEP IT SO NOW WE SING THAT ONE SO WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO BE KEEP IT SO NOW WE SING THAT ONE EVERY NIGHT AND IT MEANS SO MUCH KEEP IT SO NOW WE SING THAT ONE EVERY NIGHT AND IT MEANS SO MUCH TO ALL OF US.

EVERY NIGHT AND IT MEANS SO MUCH TO ALL OF US.

♪ HE'S MY ROCK TO ALL OF US.

♪ HE'S MY ROCK I SAID HE'S MY ROCK♪ ♪ HE'S MY ROCK I SAID HE'S MY ROCK♪ >> WE'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME I SAID HE'S MY ROCK♪ >> WE'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND GOD HAS KEPT US, HE HAS >> WE'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND GOD HAS KEPT US, HE HAS PROVIDED FOR US AND WE'VE HAD AND GOD HAS KEPT US, HE HAS PROVIDED FOR US AND WE'VE HAD SOME OF OUR PEOPLE TO PASS AWAY, PROVIDED FOR US AND WE'VE HAD SOME OF OUR PEOPLE TO PASS AWAY, HE ALWAYS SENDS OTHER PEOPLE TO SOME OF OUR PEOPLE TO PASS AWAY, HE ALWAYS SENDS OTHER PEOPLE TO FILL IN SO THAT MEANS WE ARE HE ALWAYS SENDS OTHER PEOPLE TO FILL IN SO THAT MEANS WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS PLEASING FILL IN SO THAT MEANS WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS PLEASING TO HIM.

DOING SOMETHING THAT IS PLEASING TO HIM.

>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

TO HIM.

>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

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>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

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