>>> COMING UP -- AS THE SUPREME >>> COMING UP -- AS THE SUPREME COURT BEGINS ITS NEW TERM, TIM >>> COMING UP -- AS THE SUPREME COURT BEGINS ITS NEW TERM, TIM O'BRIEN REPORTS ON A MAJOR CASE COURT BEGINS ITS NEW TERM, TIM O'BRIEN REPORTS ON A MAJOR CASE TO BE DECIDED ABOUT SEPARATION O'BRIEN REPORTS ON A MAJOR CASE TO BE DECIDED ABOUT SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

TO BE DECIDED ABOUT SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

>>> AND, THE OUTPOURING OF OF CHURCH AND STATE.

>>> AND, THE OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT FOR POPE FRANCIS, >>> AND, THE OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT FOR POPE FRANCIS, WIDESPREAD APPROVAL OF HIS WORDS SUPPORT FOR POPE FRANCIS, WIDESPREAD APPROVAL OF HIS WORDS AND DEEDS.

WIDESPREAD APPROVAL OF HIS WORDS AND DEEDS.

>>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO AND DEEDS.

>>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS FROM PAKISTAN ON THE >>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS FROM PAKISTAN ON THE REASONS THAT COUNTRY IS ONE OF REPORTS FROM PAKISTAN ON THE REASONS THAT COUNTRY IS ONE OF ONLY THREE LEFT IN THE WORLD REASONS THAT COUNTRY IS ONE OF ONLY THREE LEFT IN THE WORLD THAT HAS NOT ELIMINATED POLIO.

ONLY THREE LEFT IN THE WORLD THAT HAS NOT ELIMINATED POLIO.

WELCOME.

THAT HAS NOT ELIMINATED POLIO.

WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

RELIGIOUS GROUPS WERE AMONG IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

RELIGIOUS GROUPS WERE AMONG THOSE STRONGLY CONDEMNING THIS RELIGIOUS GROUPS WERE AMONG THOSE STRONGLY CONDEMNING THIS WEEK'S PARTIAL FEDERAL THOSE STRONGLY CONDEMNING THIS WEEK'S PARTIAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

WEEK'S PARTIAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

33 FAITH LEADERS WROTE TO GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

33 FAITH LEADERS WROTE TO CONGRESS DENOUNCING WHAT THEY 33 FAITH LEADERS WROTE TO CONGRESS DENOUNCING WHAT THEY CALLED THE "POLITICAL CONGRESS DENOUNCING WHAT THEY CALLED THE "POLITICAL BRINKSMANSHIP" THAT SEEMS TO BE CALLED THE "POLITICAL BRINKSMANSHIP" THAT SEEMS TO BE PREVAILING.

BRINKSMANSHIP" THAT SEEMS TO BE PREVAILING.

THEY SAID DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON A PREVAILING.

THEY SAID DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON A COMMITMENT TO THE COMMON GOOD.

THEY SAID DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON A COMMITMENT TO THE COMMON GOOD.

THE U.S. CATHOLIC BISHOPS URGED COMMITMENT TO THE COMMON GOOD.

THE U.S. CATHOLIC BISHOPS URGED LAWMAKERS TO MEET THE BASIC THE U.S. CATHOLIC BISHOPS URGED LAWMAKERS TO MEET THE BASIC NEEDS OF PEOPLE IN THE U.S. AND LAWMAKERS TO MEET THE BASIC NEEDS OF PEOPLE IN THE U.S. AND AROUND THE WORLD.

NEEDS OF PEOPLE IN THE U.S. AND AROUND THE WORLD.

AND SEPARATELY, AN ECUMENICAL AROUND THE WORLD.

AND SEPARATELY, AN ECUMENICAL GROUP SAID THE SHUTDOWN AND SEPARATELY, AN ECUMENICAL GROUP SAID THE SHUTDOWN PARTICULARLY HURTS PREGNANT GROUP SAID THE SHUTDOWN PARTICULARLY HURTS PREGNANT WOMEN, INFANTS AND SENIORS.

PARTICULARLY HURTS PREGNANT WOMEN, INFANTS AND SENIORS.

>>> DESPITE THE SHUTDOWN, THE US WOMEN, INFANTS AND SENIORS.

>>> DESPITE THE SHUTDOWN, THE US SUPREME COURT IS SCHEDULED TO >>> DESPITE THE SHUTDOWN, THE US SUPREME COURT IS SCHEDULED TO OPEN ITS NEW TERM THIS COMING SUPREME COURT IS SCHEDULED TO OPEN ITS NEW TERM THIS COMING WEEK AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL OPEN ITS NEW TERM THIS COMING WEEK AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT FROM TIM O'BRIEN ON ONE WEEK AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT FROM TIM O'BRIEN ON ONE OF THE CASES THE COURT WILL REPORT FROM TIM O'BRIEN ON ONE OF THE CASES THE COURT WILL HEAR.

OF THE CASES THE COURT WILL HEAR.

IT'S A CHURCH-STATE ISSUE AND HEAR.

IT'S A CHURCH-STATE ISSUE AND THE QUESTION IS WHAT KINDS OF IT'S A CHURCH-STATE ISSUE AND THE QUESTION IS WHAT KINDS OF PRAYERS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL AT THE QUESTION IS WHAT KINDS OF PRAYERS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL AT THE START OF A GOVERNMENT PRAYERS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL AT THE START OF A GOVERNMENT MEETING.

THE START OF A GOVERNMENT MEETING.

>> THE AUGUST 20, 2013 MEETING MEETING.

>> THE AUGUST 20, 2013 MEETING OF THE GREECE TOWN BOARD WILL >> THE AUGUST 20, 2013 MEETING OF THE GREECE TOWN BOARD WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

OF THE GREECE TOWN BOARD WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

>> Reporter: EVER SINCE JOHN NOW COME TO ORDER.

>> Reporter: EVER SINCE JOHN AUBERGER WAS ELECTED TOWN >> Reporter: EVER SINCE JOHN AUBERGER WAS ELECTED TOWN SUPERVISOR 15 YEARS AGO IN AUBERGER WAS ELECTED TOWN SUPERVISOR 15 YEARS AGO IN GREECE, NEW YORK, A SUPERVISOR 15 YEARS AGO IN GREECE, NEW YORK, A PREDOMINANTLY CATHOLIC SUBURB OF GREECE, NEW YORK, A PREDOMINANTLY CATHOLIC SUBURB OF ROCHESTER, THE TOWN HAS BEGUN PREDOMINANTLY CATHOLIC SUBURB OF ROCHESTER, THE TOWN HAS BEGUN ITS MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH A ROCHESTER, THE TOWN HAS BEGUN ITS MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH A PRAYER.

ITS MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH A PRAYER.

>> FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL GREECE PRAYER.

>> FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL GREECE AND MANKIND IN GENERAL, WE OFFER >> FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL GREECE AND MANKIND IN GENERAL, WE OFFER THESE PRAYERS.

AND MANKIND IN GENERAL, WE OFFER THESE PRAYERS.

>> Reporter: ON THIS EVENING THESE PRAYERS.

>> Reporter: ON THIS EVENING LAST AUGUST, THE PRAYER WAS >> Reporter: ON THIS EVENING LAST AUGUST, THE PRAYER WAS OFFERED BY TOM LYNCH, AN LAST AUGUST, THE PRAYER WAS OFFERED BY TOM LYNCH, AN ADHERENT OF THE BAHAI FAITH.

OFFERED BY TOM LYNCH, AN ADHERENT OF THE BAHAI FAITH.

>> OH THOU, OH KIND LORD, THIS ADHERENT OF THE BAHAI FAITH.

>> OH THOU, OH KIND LORD, THIS GATHERING IS TURNING TO THEE.

>> OH THOU, OH KIND LORD, THIS GATHERING IS TURNING TO THEE.

>> Reporter: IT WAS AUBERGER'S GATHERING IS TURNING TO THEE.

>> Reporter: IT WAS AUBERGER'S IDEA.

>> Reporter: IT WAS AUBERGER'S IDEA.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT FROM PRIMARILY IDEA.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT FROM PRIMARILY A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT FROM PRIMARILY A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.

OUR FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.

OUR FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN THE RIGHT FOR US TO PRAY AND OUR FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN THE RIGHT FOR US TO PRAY AND HAVE THAT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION THE RIGHT FOR US TO PRAY AND HAVE THAT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IN PRAYER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THAT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IN PRAYER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE OFFER HERE TODAY IN 2013 IN THE IN PRAYER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE OFFER HERE TODAY IN 2013 IN THE TOWN OF GREECE.

OFFER HERE TODAY IN 2013 IN THE TOWN OF GREECE.

>> Reporter: BUT THE FOUNDING TOWN OF GREECE.

>> Reporter: BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS ALSO DRAFTED THE FIRST >> Reporter: BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS ALSO DRAFTED THE FIRST AMENDMENT, PROHIBITING THE FATHERS ALSO DRAFTED THE FIRST AMENDMENT, PROHIBITING THE GOVERNMENT FROM ESTABLISHING AMENDMENT, PROHIBITING THE GOVERNMENT FROM ESTABLISHING RELIGION -- NO STATE SPONSORED GOVERNMENT FROM ESTABLISHING RELIGION -- NO STATE SPONSORED CHURCH.

RELIGION -- NO STATE SPONSORED CHURCH.

TWO GREECE RESIDENTS, LINDA CHURCH.

TWO GREECE RESIDENTS, LINDA STEPHENS, AN ATHEIST, AND SUSAN TWO GREECE RESIDENTS, LINDA STEPHENS, AN ATHEIST, AND SUSAN GALLOWAY, WHO IS JEWISH, SAY FOR STEPHENS, AN ATHEIST, AND SUSAN GALLOWAY, WHO IS JEWISH, SAY FOR ANY GOVERNING BODY TO BEGIN ITS GALLOWAY, WHO IS JEWISH, SAY FOR ANY GOVERNING BODY TO BEGIN ITS SESSIONS WITH SUCH PRAYERS ANY GOVERNING BODY TO BEGIN ITS SESSIONS WITH SUCH PRAYERS VIOLATES THAT FIRST AMENDMENT SESSIONS WITH SUCH PRAYERS VIOLATES THAT FIRST AMENDMENT BAN.

VIOLATES THAT FIRST AMENDMENT BAN.

>> I THINK FOR THE PROTECTION OF BAN.

>> I THINK FOR THE PROTECTION OF GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS FOR THE >> I THINK FOR THE PROTECTION OF GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS FOR THE PROTECTION OF RELIGION, THEY GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS FOR THE PROTECTION OF RELIGION, THEY NEED TO BE SEPARATE.

PROTECTION OF RELIGION, THEY NEED TO BE SEPARATE.

I THINK WHEN GOVERNMENT GETS NEED TO BE SEPARATE.

I THINK WHEN GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED IN RELIGION, IT I THINK WHEN GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED IN RELIGION, IT CORRUPTS RELIGION AND I THINK INVOLVED IN RELIGION, IT CORRUPTS RELIGION AND I THINK WHEN RELIGION GETS INVOLVED WITH CORRUPTS RELIGION AND I THINK WHEN RELIGION GETS INVOLVED WITH GOVERNMENT, IT CAN CORRUPT WHEN RELIGION GETS INVOLVED WITH GOVERNMENT, IT CAN CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.

GOVERNMENT, IT CAN CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.

>> Reporter: A FEDERAL APPEALS GOVERNMENT.

>> Reporter: A FEDERAL APPEALS COURT IN NEW YORK SIDED WITH >> Reporter: A FEDERAL APPEALS COURT IN NEW YORK SIDED WITH GALLOWAY, NOTING THAT ROUGHLY COURT IN NEW YORK SIDED WITH GALLOWAY, NOTING THAT ROUGHLY "TWO-THIRDS OF THE PRAYERS GALLOWAY, NOTING THAT ROUGHLY "TWO-THIRDS OF THE PRAYERS OFFERED CONTAINED REFERENCES TO "TWO-THIRDS OF THE PRAYERS OFFERED CONTAINED REFERENCES TO 'JESUS CHRIST,' ‘JESUS', ‘YOUR OFFERED CONTAINED REFERENCES TO 'JESUS CHRIST,' ‘JESUS', ‘YOUR SON,' OR THE ‘HOLY SPIRIT.'"

'JESUS CHRIST,' ‘JESUS', ‘YOUR SON,' OR THE ‘HOLY SPIRIT.'"

JUDGE GUIDO CALABRESI WROTE, "WE SON,' OR THE ‘HOLY SPIRIT.'"

JUDGE GUIDO CALABRESI WROTE, "WE DO NOT HOLD THAT THE TOWN MAY JUDGE GUIDO CALABRESI WROTE, "WE DO NOT HOLD THAT THE TOWN MAY NOT OPEN ITS PUBIC MEETINGS WITH DO NOT HOLD THAT THE TOWN MAY NOT OPEN ITS PUBIC MEETINGS WITH PRAYER OR INVOCATION.

NOT OPEN ITS PUBIC MEETINGS WITH PRAYER OR INVOCATION.

AMERICANS HAVE DONE JUST THAT PRAYER OR INVOCATION.

AMERICANS HAVE DONE JUST THAT FOR MORE THAN 200 YEARS.

AMERICANS HAVE DONE JUST THAT FOR MORE THAN 200 YEARS.

BUT WHEN ONE CREED DOMINATES FOR MORE THAN 200 YEARS.

BUT WHEN ONE CREED DOMINATES OTHERS, REGARDLESS OF A TOWN'S BUT WHEN ONE CREED DOMINATES OTHERS, REGARDLESS OF A TOWN'S INTENTIONS, CONSTITUTIONAL OTHERS, REGARDLESS OF A TOWN'S INTENTIONS, CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS COME TO THE FORE."

INTENTIONS, CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS COME TO THE FORE."

THIS IS NOT MERELY A CONTEST CONCERNS COME TO THE FORE."

THIS IS NOT MERELY A CONTEST BETWEEN A SMALL TOWN AND TWO OF THIS IS NOT MERELY A CONTEST BETWEEN A SMALL TOWN AND TWO OF ITS RESIDENTS.

BETWEEN A SMALL TOWN AND TWO OF ITS RESIDENTS.

THE TOWN'S CASE HAS ALL BUT BEEN ITS RESIDENTS.

THE TOWN'S CASE HAS ALL BUT BEEN TAKEN OVER BY, AND FINANCED BY, THE TOWN'S CASE HAS ALL BUT BEEN TAKEN OVER BY, AND FINANCED BY, THE ALLIANCE DEFENDING FREEDOM, TAKEN OVER BY, AND FINANCED BY, THE ALLIANCE DEFENDING FREEDOM, A NATIONAL ADVOCACY GROUP THE ALLIANCE DEFENDING FREEDOM, A NATIONAL ADVOCACY GROUP PROMOTING MORE GOVERNMENT A NATIONAL ADVOCACY GROUP PROMOTING MORE GOVERNMENT ACCOMMODATION OF RELIGION.

PROMOTING MORE GOVERNMENT ACCOMMODATION OF RELIGION.

THE PLAINTIFFS' CASE HAS BEEN ACCOMMODATION OF RELIGION.

THE PLAINTIFFS' CASE HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY AMERICANS UNITED THE PLAINTIFFS' CASE HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY AMERICANS UNITED FOR SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND TAKEN OVER BY AMERICANS UNITED FOR SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, WHOSE STAFF ATTORNEY, FOR SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, WHOSE STAFF ATTORNEY, AYESHA KHAN, WILL ARGUE ON THEIR STATE, WHOSE STAFF ATTORNEY, AYESHA KHAN, WILL ARGUE ON THEIR BEHALF IN THE SUPREME COURT.

AYESHA KHAN, WILL ARGUE ON THEIR BEHALF IN THE SUPREME COURT.

>> GREECE IS OPENING ITS BEHALF IN THE SUPREME COURT.

>> GREECE IS OPENING ITS MEETINGS WITH A PRESENTATION >> GREECE IS OPENING ITS MEETINGS WITH A PRESENTATION THAT IS UNIQUELY CHRISTIAN, IN MEETINGS WITH A PRESENTATION THAT IS UNIQUELY CHRISTIAN, IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THAT IS UNIQUELY CHRISTIAN, IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COME TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT.

AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COME TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT.

FROM THE TIME THE PRAYER COME TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT.

FROM THE TIME THE PRAYER PRACTICE STARTED IN 1999, UP FROM THE TIME THE PRAYER PRACTICE STARTED IN 1999, UP UNTIL THE END OF 2007 -— AN PRACTICE STARTED IN 1999, UP UNTIL THE END OF 2007 -— AN EIGHT YEAR TIME PERIOD, THEY HAD UNTIL THE END OF 2007 -— AN EIGHT YEAR TIME PERIOD, THEY HAD NOBODY BUT CHRISTIAN CLERGY.

EIGHT YEAR TIME PERIOD, THEY HAD NOBODY BUT CHRISTIAN CLERGY.

>> Reporter: BUT WHAT ABOUT TOM NOBODY BUT CHRISTIAN CLERGY.

>> Reporter: BUT WHAT ABOUT TOM LYNCH OF THE BAHAI FAITH, WHO >> Reporter: BUT WHAT ABOUT TOM LYNCH OF THE BAHAI FAITH, WHO DELIVERED THE PRAYER WHEN WE LYNCH OF THE BAHAI FAITH, WHO DELIVERED THE PRAYER WHEN WE WERE THERE WITH OUR CAMERAS LAST DELIVERED THE PRAYER WHEN WE WERE THERE WITH OUR CAMERAS LAST AUGUST?

WERE THERE WITH OUR CAMERAS LAST AUGUST?

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, THIS WAS MY AUGUST?

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, THIS WAS MY SECOND TIME.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, THIS WAS MY SECOND TIME.

>> Reporter: WHEN WAS THE FIRST SECOND TIME.

>> Reporter: WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME?

>> Reporter: WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME?

>> IN 2008.

TIME?

>> IN 2008.

>> Reporter: FIVE YEARS AGO?

>> IN 2008.

>> Reporter: FIVE YEARS AGO?

>> YEAH.

>> Reporter: FIVE YEARS AGO?

>> YEAH.

>> Reporter: YOU WERE HERE IN >> YEAH.

>> Reporter: YOU WERE HERE IN 2008 WHEN THIS CASE FIRST CAME >> Reporter: YOU WERE HERE IN 2008 WHEN THIS CASE FIRST CAME UP?

2008 WHEN THIS CASE FIRST CAME UP?

>> RIGHT.

UP?

>> RIGHT.

>> Reporter: AND THEN THEY >> RIGHT.

>> Reporter: AND THEN THEY INVITE YOU BACK NOW WHEN IT'S >> Reporter: AND THEN THEY INVITE YOU BACK NOW WHEN IT'S BEFORE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT?

INVITE YOU BACK NOW WHEN IT'S BEFORE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT?

>> RIGHT.

BEFORE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT?

>> RIGHT.

>> Reporter: COINCIDENCE?

>> RIGHT.

>> Reporter: COINCIDENCE?

>> MAYBE.

>> Reporter: COINCIDENCE?

>> MAYBE.

>> Reporter: DO YOU THINK THE >> MAYBE.

>> Reporter: DO YOU THINK THE LITIGATION HAS ANYTHING TO DO >> Reporter: DO YOU THINK THE LITIGATION HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR APPEARANCE HERE?

LITIGATION HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR APPEARANCE HERE?

>> INDIRECTLY, IT DOES.

WITH YOUR APPEARANCE HERE?

>> INDIRECTLY, IT DOES.

IT WAS BECAUSE I HEARD ABOUT THE >> INDIRECTLY, IT DOES.

IT WAS BECAUSE I HEARD ABOUT THE LITIGATION, I CHECKED WITH THE IT WAS BECAUSE I HEARD ABOUT THE LITIGATION, I CHECKED WITH THE TOWN CLERK TO SEE IF THEY WERE LITIGATION, I CHECKED WITH THE TOWN CLERK TO SEE IF THEY WERE STILL DOING THIS, AND THEY TOWN CLERK TO SEE IF THEY WERE STILL DOING THIS, AND THEY INVITED ME BACK.

STILL DOING THIS, AND THEY INVITED ME BACK.

>> Reporter: THE LOWER COURT INVITED ME BACK.

>> Reporter: THE LOWER COURT FOUND THAT OF MORE THAN 130 >> Reporter: THE LOWER COURT FOUND THAT OF MORE THAN 130 PRAYERS OFFERED, ONLY FOUR HAD FOUND THAT OF MORE THAN 130 PRAYERS OFFERED, ONLY FOUR HAD BEEN OFFERED BY NON-CHRISTIANS.

PRAYERS OFFERED, ONLY FOUR HAD BEEN OFFERED BY NON-CHRISTIANS.

THE IMPACT OF ALL THIS IS BEEN OFFERED BY NON-CHRISTIANS.

THE IMPACT OF ALL THIS IS UNCLEAR, GIVEN THAT HARDLY THE IMPACT OF ALL THIS IS UNCLEAR, GIVEN THAT HARDLY ANYONE EVER SHOWS UP AT THESE UNCLEAR, GIVEN THAT HARDLY ANYONE EVER SHOWS UP AT THESE BOARD MEETINGS.

ANYONE EVER SHOWS UP AT THESE BOARD MEETINGS.

THE NUMBER OF SPECTATORS RARELY BOARD MEETINGS.

THE NUMBER OF SPECTATORS RARELY EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF BOARD THE NUMBER OF SPECTATORS RARELY EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS.

EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS.

THE MOST CONSISTENT SPECTATOR MEMBERS.

THE MOST CONSISTENT SPECTATOR MAY BE SUSAN GALLOWAY, WHO FOR THE MOST CONSISTENT SPECTATOR MAY BE SUSAN GALLOWAY, WHO FOR YEARS HAS SHOWN UP WITH HER MAY BE SUSAN GALLOWAY, WHO FOR YEARS HAS SHOWN UP WITH HER VIDEO CAMERA TO DOCUMENT THE YEARS HAS SHOWN UP WITH HER VIDEO CAMERA TO DOCUMENT THE PROCEEDINGS.

VIDEO CAMERA TO DOCUMENT THE PROCEEDINGS.

ATTORNEY KHAN TOOK THE UNUSUAL PROCEEDINGS.

ATTORNEY KHAN TOOK THE UNUSUAL STEP OF INCLUDING LINKS TO ATTORNEY KHAN TOOK THE UNUSUAL STEP OF INCLUDING LINKS TO GALLOWAY'S VIDEO IN THE STEP OF INCLUDING LINKS TO GALLOWAY'S VIDEO IN THE ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THE BRIEF GALLOWAY'S VIDEO IN THE ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THE BRIEF SHE FILED WITH THE COURT, ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THE BRIEF SHE FILED WITH THE COURT, ALLOWING THE JUSTICES TO SHE FILED WITH THE COURT, ALLOWING THE JUSTICES TO INSTANTLY VIEW WHAT THE LOWER ALLOWING THE JUSTICES TO INSTANTLY VIEW WHAT THE LOWER COURT FOUND TO BE AN INSTANTLY VIEW WHAT THE LOWER COURT FOUND TO BE AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT COURT FOUND TO BE AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION.

UNCONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION.

>> FATHER ALEX BRADSHAW FROM OUR ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION.

>> FATHER ALEX BRADSHAW FROM OUR MOTHER OF SORROWS CHURCH WILL >> FATHER ALEX BRADSHAW FROM OUR MOTHER OF SORROWS CHURCH WILL SAY OUR PRAYER FOR THIS EVENING.

MOTHER OF SORROWS CHURCH WILL SAY OUR PRAYER FOR THIS EVENING.

FATHER BRADSHAW.

SAY OUR PRAYER FOR THIS EVENING.

FATHER BRADSHAW.

>> Reporter: FATHER ALEX FATHER BRADSHAW.

>> Reporter: FATHER ALEX BRADSHAW IS TYPICAL.

>> Reporter: FATHER ALEX BRADSHAW IS TYPICAL.

>> WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE SAVING BRADSHAW IS TYPICAL.

>> WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE SAVING SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST ON THE >> WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE SAVING SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST ON THE CROSS.

SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST ON THE CROSS.

WE DRAW STRENGTH, VITALITY AND CROSS.

WE DRAW STRENGTH, VITALITY AND CONFIDENCE FROM HIS RESURRECTION WE DRAW STRENGTH, VITALITY AND CONFIDENCE FROM HIS RESURRECTION AT EASTER.

CONFIDENCE FROM HIS RESURRECTION AT EASTER.

JESUS CHRIST, WHO TOOK AWAY THE AT EASTER.

JESUS CHRIST, WHO TOOK AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, DESTROYED OUR JESUS CHRIST, WHO TOOK AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, DESTROYED OUR DEBT, THROUGH HIS DYING AND IN SINS OF THE WORLD, DESTROYED OUR DEBT, THROUGH HIS DYING AND IN HIS RISING, HE HAS RESTORED OUR DEBT, THROUGH HIS DYING AND IN HIS RISING, HE HAS RESTORED OUR LIFE.

HIS RISING, HE HAS RESTORED OUR LIFE.

BLESSED ARE YOU WHO HAS RAISED LIFE.

BLESSED ARE YOU WHO HAS RAISED UP THE LORD JESUS.

BLESSED ARE YOU WHO HAS RAISED UP THE LORD JESUS.

>> Reporter: THAT THE MESSAGE IS UP THE LORD JESUS.

>> Reporter: THAT THE MESSAGE IS PREDOMINANTLY CHRISTIAN SHOULD >> Reporter: THAT THE MESSAGE IS PREDOMINANTLY CHRISTIAN SHOULD BE OF NO CONCERN, SAYS PREDOMINANTLY CHRISTIAN SHOULD BE OF NO CONCERN, SAYS SUPERVISOR AUBERGER, BECAUSE BE OF NO CONCERN, SAYS SUPERVISOR AUBERGER, BECAUSE ANYONE CAN GIVE THE PRAYER AND SUPERVISOR AUBERGER, BECAUSE ANYONE CAN GIVE THE PRAYER AND SAY WHATEVER THEY PLEASE.

ANYONE CAN GIVE THE PRAYER AND SAY WHATEVER THEY PLEASE.

>> IF ANYONE AT ANY TIME DURING SAY WHATEVER THEY PLEASE.

>> IF ANYONE AT ANY TIME DURING MY 15 AND A HALF YEARS AS >> IF ANYONE AT ANY TIME DURING MY 15 AND A HALF YEARS AS SUPERVISOR WERE TO COME AND WANT MY 15 AND A HALF YEARS AS SUPERVISOR WERE TO COME AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THE PRAYER, SUPERVISOR WERE TO COME AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THE PRAYER, THEN WE WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THE PRAYER, THEN WE WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY OBLIGED THEM.

THEN WE WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY OBLIGED THEM.

>> Reporter: YOU DON'T CENSOR OR OBLIGED THEM.

>> Reporter: YOU DON'T CENSOR OR CONTROL ANYTHING THAT THEY SAY?

>> Reporter: YOU DON'T CENSOR OR CONTROL ANYTHING THAT THEY SAY?

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

CONTROL ANYTHING THAT THEY SAY?

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

>> Reporter: WHAT IF SOMEBODY >> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

>> Reporter: WHAT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, >> Reporter: WHAT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, "BELIEVE IN JESUS OR YOU'RE WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, "BELIEVE IN JESUS OR YOU'RE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER?"

"BELIEVE IN JESUS OR YOU'RE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER?"

>> WELL, WE BELIEVE IN AGAIN GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER?"

>> WELL, WE BELIEVE IN AGAIN DIVERSITY TO BE ABLE TO PRAY, TO >> WELL, WE BELIEVE IN AGAIN DIVERSITY TO BE ABLE TO PRAY, TO SAY THE PRAYER IN A MANNER THAT DIVERSITY TO BE ABLE TO PRAY, TO SAY THE PRAYER IN A MANNER THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL DECIDES.

SAY THE PRAYER IN A MANNER THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL DECIDES.

>> Reporter: SO IF THEY WERE TO THAT INDIVIDUAL DECIDES.

>> Reporter: SO IF THEY WERE TO SAY THAT, YOU WOULD NOT OBJECT?

>> Reporter: SO IF THEY WERE TO SAY THAT, YOU WOULD NOT OBJECT?

>> NO, WE COULD NOT OBJECT SAY THAT, YOU WOULD NOT OBJECT?

>> NO, WE COULD NOT OBJECT BECAUSE OUR PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW >> NO, WE COULD NOT OBJECT BECAUSE OUR PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW PRAYER, TO ALLOW THAT DIVERSITY, BECAUSE OUR PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW PRAYER, TO ALLOW THAT DIVERSITY, AND TO ALLOW A FREEDOM OF PRAYER, TO ALLOW THAT DIVERSITY, AND TO ALLOW A FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IN THEIR PRAYER.

AND TO ALLOW A FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IN THEIR PRAYER.

>> Reporter: THE OBAMA EXPRESSION IN THEIR PRAYER.

>> Reporter: THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS SIDING WITH >> Reporter: THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS SIDING WITH THE TOWN OF GREECE IN THE CASE, ADMINISTRATION IS SIDING WITH THE TOWN OF GREECE IN THE CASE, TELLING THE COURT LEGISLATIVE THE TOWN OF GREECE IN THE CASE, TELLING THE COURT LEGISLATIVE PRAYER IS PERMISSIBLE, EVEN WITH TELLING THE COURT LEGISLATIVE PRAYER IS PERMISSIBLE, EVEN WITH RELIGIOUS CONTENT, SO LONG AS PRAYER IS PERMISSIBLE, EVEN WITH RELIGIOUS CONTENT, SO LONG AS "IT DOES NOT PROSELYTIZE OR RELIGIOUS CONTENT, SO LONG AS "IT DOES NOT PROSELYTIZE OR ADVANCE ANY ONE, OR DISPARAGE "IT DOES NOT PROSELYTIZE OR ADVANCE ANY ONE, OR DISPARAGE ANY OTHER, FAITH OR BELIEF."

ADVANCE ANY ONE, OR DISPARAGE ANY OTHER, FAITH OR BELIEF."

THE ADMINISTRATION RELIES ANY OTHER, FAITH OR BELIEF."

THE ADMINISTRATION RELIES HEAVILY ON A 1983 SUPREME COURT THE ADMINISTRATION RELIES HEAVILY ON A 1983 SUPREME COURT RULING ALLOWING STATE HEAVILY ON A 1983 SUPREME COURT RULING ALLOWING STATE LEGISLATURES TO HIRE CHAPLAINS RULING ALLOWING STATE LEGISLATURES TO HIRE CHAPLAINS TO OFFER INVOCATIONS AT THE LEGISLATURES TO HIRE CHAPLAINS TO OFFER INVOCATIONS AT THE START OF THEIR LEGISLATIVE TO OFFER INVOCATIONS AT THE START OF THEIR LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS.

START OF THEIR LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS.

BOTH THE U.S. SENATE AND THE SESSIONS.

BOTH THE U.S. SENATE AND THE HOUSE ROUTINELY BEGIN THEIR BOTH THE U.S. SENATE AND THE HOUSE ROUTINELY BEGIN THEIR SESSIONS WITH PRAYER.

HOUSE ROUTINELY BEGIN THEIR SESSIONS WITH PRAYER.

THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PLAINTIFFS SESSIONS WITH PRAYER.

THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PLAINTIFFS WILL NOT CHALLENGE THAT IN THE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PLAINTIFFS WILL NOT CHALLENGE THAT IN THE SUPREME COURT BUT WILL INSIST IF WILL NOT CHALLENGE THAT IN THE SUPREME COURT BUT WILL INSIST IF THERE IS TO BE PRAYER, IT MUST SUPREME COURT BUT WILL INSIST IF THERE IS TO BE PRAYER, IT MUST BE MORE NEUTRAL THAN WHAT OCCURS THERE IS TO BE PRAYER, IT MUST BE MORE NEUTRAL THAN WHAT OCCURS IN GREECE.

BE MORE NEUTRAL THAN WHAT OCCURS IN GREECE.

>> WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT IN GREECE.

>> WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT WHEN A RELIGIOUS MESSAGE IS >> WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT WHEN A RELIGIOUS MESSAGE IS PRESENTED TO AN AUDIENCE, THE WHEN A RELIGIOUS MESSAGE IS PRESENTED TO AN AUDIENCE, THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE VERY PRESENTED TO AN AUDIENCE, THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE VERY CAREFUL TO PRESENT ONLY THE MOST GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE VERY CAREFUL TO PRESENT ONLY THE MOST CEREMONIAL AND INCLUSIVE AND CAREFUL TO PRESENT ONLY THE MOST CEREMONIAL AND INCLUSIVE AND ECUMENICAL MESSAGE.

CEREMONIAL AND INCLUSIVE AND ECUMENICAL MESSAGE.

>> Reporter: OVER THE YEARS, NO ECUMENICAL MESSAGE.

>> Reporter: OVER THE YEARS, NO SINGLE ISSUE HAS DIVIDED THE >> Reporter: OVER THE YEARS, NO SINGLE ISSUE HAS DIVIDED THE JUSTICES MORE SHARPLY THAN SINGLE ISSUE HAS DIVIDED THE JUSTICES MORE SHARPLY THAN QUESTIONS OF CHURCH AND STATE JUSTICES MORE SHARPLY THAN QUESTIONS OF CHURCH AND STATE AND THIS CASE IS NOT LIKELY TO QUESTIONS OF CHURCH AND STATE AND THIS CASE IS NOT LIKELY TO BE ANY EXCEPTION.

AND THIS CASE IS NOT LIKELY TO BE ANY EXCEPTION.

AND AS IS OFTEN THE CASE HERE, BE ANY EXCEPTION.

AND AS IS OFTEN THE CASE HERE, IT MAY NOT BE WHO WINS OR WHO AND AS IS OFTEN THE CASE HERE, IT MAY NOT BE WHO WINS OR WHO LOSES THAT MATTERS MOST, BUT IT MAY NOT BE WHO WINS OR WHO LOSES THAT MATTERS MOST, BUT RATHER WHAT SORT OF COMPROMISE LOSES THAT MATTERS MOST, BUT RATHER WHAT SORT OF COMPROMISE THE JUSTICES REACH.

RATHER WHAT SORT OF COMPROMISE THE JUSTICES REACH.

SOME FORM OF LEGISLATIVE PRAYER THE JUSTICES REACH.

SOME FORM OF LEGISLATIVE PRAYER IS CERTAIN TO BE ALLOWED, BUT SOME FORM OF LEGISLATIVE PRAYER IS CERTAIN TO BE ALLOWED, BUT HOW MUCH RELIGION IS TOO MUCH?

IS CERTAIN TO BE ALLOWED, BUT HOW MUCH RELIGION IS TOO MUCH?

SOME ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION MAY HOW MUCH RELIGION IS TOO MUCH?

SOME ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION MAY BE UNAVOIDABLE.

SOME ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION MAY BE UNAVOIDABLE.

WHEN DOES IT BECOME BE UNAVOIDABLE.

WHEN DOES IT BECOME UNACCEPTABLE?

WHEN DOES IT BECOME UNACCEPTABLE?

THE JUSTICES TAKES UP THE UNACCEPTABLE?

THE JUSTICES TAKES UP THE QUESTION NEXT MONTH WITH NO THE JUSTICES TAKES UP THE QUESTION NEXT MONTH WITH NO DECISION LIKELY BEFORE SPRING.

QUESTION NEXT MONTH WITH NO DECISION LIKELY BEFORE SPRING.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS DECISION LIKELY BEFORE SPRING.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M TIM O'BRIEN AT FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M TIM O'BRIEN AT THE SUPREME COURT.

NEWSWEEKLY," I'M TIM O'BRIEN AT THE SUPREME COURT.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, IT WAS A BUSY THE SUPREME COURT.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, IT WAS A BUSY WEEK FOR POPE FRANCIS.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, IT WAS A BUSY WEEK FOR POPE FRANCIS.

ON FRIDAY, WHICH WAS THE FEAST WEEK FOR POPE FRANCIS.

ON FRIDAY, WHICH WAS THE FEAST DAY OF SAINT FRANCIS, THE POPE ON FRIDAY, WHICH WAS THE FEAST DAY OF SAINT FRANCIS, THE POPE TRAVELED TO ASSISI, HIS DAY OF SAINT FRANCIS, THE POPE TRAVELED TO ASSISI, HIS NAMESAKE'S HOMETOWN.

TRAVELED TO ASSISI, HIS NAMESAKE'S HOMETOWN.

HE MET WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, NAMESAKE'S HOMETOWN.

HE MET WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, CELEBRATED MASS, AND VISITED HE MET WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, CELEBRATED MASS, AND VISITED SEVERAL OF THE SITES WHERE THE CELEBRATED MASS, AND VISITED SEVERAL OF THE SITES WHERE THE 13th CENTURY FRANCIS LIVED AND SEVERAL OF THE SITES WHERE THE 13th CENTURY FRANCIS LIVED AND WORKED.

13th CENTURY FRANCIS LIVED AND WORKED.

EARLIER IN THE WEEK, POPE WORKED.

EARLIER IN THE WEEK, POPE FRANCIS HELD SEVERAL DAYS OF EARLIER IN THE WEEK, POPE FRANCIS HELD SEVERAL DAYS OF CLOSED-DOOR MEETINGS WITH A FRANCIS HELD SEVERAL DAYS OF CLOSED-DOOR MEETINGS WITH A COUNCIL OF CARDINALS HELPING HIM CLOSED-DOOR MEETINGS WITH A COUNCIL OF CARDINALS HELPING HIM DEVELOP A PLAN TO REFORM THE COUNCIL OF CARDINALS HELPING HIM DEVELOP A PLAN TO REFORM THE VATICAN CURIA, THE BUREAUCRACY.

DEVELOP A PLAN TO REFORM THE VATICAN CURIA, THE BUREAUCRACY.

THE MEETINGS CAME AS ANOTHER VATICAN CURIA, THE BUREAUCRACY.

THE MEETINGS CAME AS ANOTHER CANDID INTERVIEW WITH FRANCIS THE MEETINGS CAME AS ANOTHER CANDID INTERVIEW WITH FRANCIS WAS PUBLISHED IN AN ITALIAN CANDID INTERVIEW WITH FRANCIS WAS PUBLISHED IN AN ITALIAN NEWSPAPER.

WAS PUBLISHED IN AN ITALIAN NEWSPAPER.

IN IT, THE POPE DENOUNCED A NEWSPAPER.

IN IT, THE POPE DENOUNCED A VATICAN-CENTRIC MINDSET, SAYING IN IT, THE POPE DENOUNCED A VATICAN-CENTRIC MINDSET, SAYING HE WANTS A CHURCH THAT IS "NOT VATICAN-CENTRIC MINDSET, SAYING HE WANTS A CHURCH THAT IS "NOT JUST TOP-DOWN, BUT ALSO HE WANTS A CHURCH THAT IS "NOT JUST TOP-DOWN, BUT ALSO HORIZONTAL."

JUST TOP-DOWN, BUT ALSO HORIZONTAL."

HE CRITICIZED THE NARCISSISM OF HORIZONTAL."

HE CRITICIZED THE NARCISSISM OF MANY CHURCH LEADERS.

HE CRITICIZED THE NARCISSISM OF MANY CHURCH LEADERS.

AND HE CALLED FOR PEOPLE OF MANY CHURCH LEADERS.

AND HE CALLED FOR PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT VIEWS TO LISTEN TO AND HE CALLED FOR PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT VIEWS TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHER, SAYING "PROSELYTISM DIFFERENT VIEWS TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHER, SAYING "PROSELYTISM IS SOLEMN NONSENSE, IT MAKES NO EACH OTHER, SAYING "PROSELYTISM IS SOLEMN NONSENSE, IT MAKES NO SENSE."

IS SOLEMN NONSENSE, IT MAKES NO SENSE."

PARTS OF THE INTERVIEW DREW SENSE."

PARTS OF THE INTERVIEW DREW CRITICISM FROM SOME PARTS OF THE INTERVIEW DREW CRITICISM FROM SOME CONSERVATIVES.

CRITICISM FROM SOME CONSERVATIVES.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE WORDS CONSERVATIVES.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE WORDS AND, EVEN MORE, THE DEEDS OF BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE WORDS AND, EVEN MORE, THE DEEDS OF POPE FRANCIS CONTINUE TO DRAW AND, EVEN MORE, THE DEEDS OF POPE FRANCIS CONTINUE TO DRAW ENTHUSIASTIC PUBLIC APPROVAL.

POPE FRANCIS CONTINUE TO DRAW ENTHUSIASTIC PUBLIC APPROVAL.

PRESIDENT OBAMA THIS WEEK TOLD ENTHUSIASTIC PUBLIC APPROVAL.

PRESIDENT OBAMA THIS WEEK TOLD CNBC HE IS "HUGELY IMPRESSED" PRESIDENT OBAMA THIS WEEK TOLD CNBC HE IS "HUGELY IMPRESSED" WITH FRANCIS.

CNBC HE IS "HUGELY IMPRESSED" WITH FRANCIS.

STRONG SUPPORT WAS ALSO EVIDENT WITH FRANCIS.

STRONG SUPPORT WAS ALSO EVIDENT AT A SPECIAL EVENT AT GEORGETOWN STRONG SUPPORT WAS ALSO EVIDENT AT A SPECIAL EVENT AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY IN WASHINGTON.

AT A SPECIAL EVENT AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY IN WASHINGTON.

IT'S TITLE, THE FRANCIS FACTOR.

UNIVERSITY IN WASHINGTON.

IT'S TITLE, THE FRANCIS FACTOR.

>> Reporter: AN OVERFLOW CROWD IT'S TITLE, THE FRANCIS FACTOR.

>> Reporter: AN OVERFLOW CROWD TURNED OUT TO HEAR ASSESSMENTS >> Reporter: AN OVERFLOW CROWD TURNED OUT TO HEAR ASSESSMENTS OF THE IMPACT POPE FRANCIS IS TURNED OUT TO HEAR ASSESSMENTS OF THE IMPACT POPE FRANCIS IS HAVING ON CATHOLICS AND OTHERS, OF THE IMPACT POPE FRANCIS IS HAVING ON CATHOLICS AND OTHERS, INCLUDING WASHINGTON OFFICIALS.

HAVING ON CATHOLICS AND OTHERS, INCLUDING WASHINGTON OFFICIALS.

THE MODERATOR WAS LONGTIME INCLUDING WASHINGTON OFFICIALS.

THE MODERATOR WAS LONGTIME CATHOLIC LEADER JOHN CARR.

THE MODERATOR WAS LONGTIME CATHOLIC LEADER JOHN CARR.

>> WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT CATHOLIC LEADER JOHN CARR.

>> WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT IN THE FALL OF 2013 WASHINGTON >> WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT IN THE FALL OF 2013 WASHINGTON WOULD BE A PLACE OF PARALYZING IN THE FALL OF 2013 WASHINGTON WOULD BE A PLACE OF PARALYZING POLARIZATION, COMPLETE WOULD BE A PLACE OF PARALYZING POLARIZATION, COMPLETE DYSFUNCTION AND STALEMATE, AND POLARIZATION, COMPLETE DYSFUNCTION AND STALEMATE, AND THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD DYSFUNCTION AND STALEMATE, AND THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD BE A PLACE OF RENEWAL AND THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD BE A PLACE OF RENEWAL AND VITALITY?

BE A PLACE OF RENEWAL AND VITALITY?

>> Reporter: THE PANELISTS VITALITY?

>> Reporter: THE PANELISTS INCLUDED PBS NEWSHOUR REGULAR >> Reporter: THE PANELISTS INCLUDED PBS NEWSHOUR REGULAR MARK SHIELDS, KIM DANIELS, A INCLUDED PBS NEWSHOUR REGULAR MARK SHIELDS, KIM DANIELS, A SPOKESWOMAN FOR THE CATHOLIC MARK SHIELDS, KIM DANIELS, A SPOKESWOMAN FOR THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS, ALEXIA KELLEY, SPOKESWOMAN FOR THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS, ALEXIA KELLEY, REPRESENTING CATHOLIC BISHOPS, ALEXIA KELLEY, REPRESENTING CATHOLIC PHILANTHROPISTS, AND COLUMNIST REPRESENTING CATHOLIC PHILANTHROPISTS, AND COLUMNIST DAVID BROOKS OF THE NEW YORK PHILANTHROPISTS, AND COLUMNIST DAVID BROOKS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE NEWSHOUR.

DAVID BROOKS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE NEWSHOUR.

>> WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS LESS TIMES AND THE NEWSHOUR.

>> WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS LESS ABOUT ABORTION, LESS ABOUT GAY >> WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS LESS ABOUT ABORTION, LESS ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE, AND MORE ABOUT A ABOUT ABORTION, LESS ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE, AND MORE ABOUT A COUNTERCULTURE, A COMPREHENSIVE MARRIAGE, AND MORE ABOUT A COUNTERCULTURE, A COMPREHENSIVE COUNTERCULTURE.

COUNTERCULTURE, A COMPREHENSIVE COUNTERCULTURE.

THAT FRANCIS JUST LOOKS LIKE A COUNTERCULTURE.

THAT FRANCIS JUST LOOKS LIKE A CHRISTIAN.

THAT FRANCIS JUST LOOKS LIKE A CHRISTIAN.

AND SO WITH FRANCIS IT LOOKS CHRISTIAN.

AND SO WITH FRANCIS IT LOOKS MORE LIKE TO CONFRONT THE FORCES AND SO WITH FRANCIS IT LOOKS MORE LIKE TO CONFRONT THE FORCES OF THE WORLD HE HAS ADOPTED THE MORE LIKE TO CONFRONT THE FORCES OF THE WORLD HE HAS ADOPTED THE POWERS OF CHRIST.

OF THE WORLD HE HAS ADOPTED THE POWERS OF CHRIST.

>> HE'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT POWERS OF CHRIST.

>> HE'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT LOVE IN ACTION AND LIVING THAT >> HE'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT LOVE IN ACTION AND LIVING THAT OUT, AND WHAT I FIND SO STRIKING LOVE IN ACTION AND LIVING THAT OUT, AND WHAT I FIND SO STRIKING ABOUT THE SYMBOLS AND THE OUT, AND WHAT I FIND SO STRIKING ABOUT THE SYMBOLS AND THE ACTIONS THAT POPE FRANCIS IS ABOUT THE SYMBOLS AND THE ACTIONS THAT POPE FRANCIS IS WITNESSING THROUGH IS HOW OFTEN ACTIONS THAT POPE FRANCIS IS WITNESSING THROUGH IS HOW OFTEN THEY REALLY MIRROR JESUS CHRIST.

WITNESSING THROUGH IS HOW OFTEN THEY REALLY MIRROR JESUS CHRIST.

SO IT'S THE CROWDS, LETTING THE THEY REALLY MIRROR JESUS CHRIST.

SO IT'S THE CROWDS, LETTING THE CROWDS COME TO HIM, RIGHT, AND SO IT'S THE CROWDS, LETTING THE CROWDS COME TO HIM, RIGHT, AND THEY CAN TOUCH HIM AND THEY ARE CROWDS COME TO HIM, RIGHT, AND THEY CAN TOUCH HIM AND THEY ARE COMING RIGHT UP TO HIM, OR IT'S THEY CAN TOUCH HIM AND THEY ARE COMING RIGHT UP TO HIM, OR IT'S PARTICULARLY THE CHILDREN AND COMING RIGHT UP TO HIM, OR IT'S PARTICULARLY THE CHILDREN AND THE HANDICAPPED WE SEE POPE PARTICULARLY THE CHILDREN AND THE HANDICAPPED WE SEE POPE FRANCIS REACHING OUT TO AND THE HANDICAPPED WE SEE POPE FRANCIS REACHING OUT TO AND KISSING AND TOUCHING.

FRANCIS REACHING OUT TO AND KISSING AND TOUCHING.

IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF KISSING AND TOUCHING.

IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF MIRRORING THE GOSPEL, AND IN IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF MIRRORING THE GOSPEL, AND IN THIS DAY OF SO MUCH CHATTER THE MIRRORING THE GOSPEL, AND IN THIS DAY OF SO MUCH CHATTER THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BREAK THROUGH THIS DAY OF SO MUCH CHATTER THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BREAK THROUGH THAT CHATTER IS THROUGH THESE ONLY WAY WE CAN BREAK THROUGH THAT CHATTER IS THROUGH THESE POWERFUL IMAGES.

THAT CHATTER IS THROUGH THESE POWERFUL IMAGES.

HE IS REALLY BRINGING JESUS TO POWERFUL IMAGES.

HE IS REALLY BRINGING JESUS TO THE WORLD.

HE IS REALLY BRINGING JESUS TO THE WORLD.

>> AND I THINK ESPECIALLY FOR THE WORLD.

>> AND I THINK ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE THAT SENSE OF >> AND I THINK ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE THAT SENSE OF INTEGRITY AND AUTHENTICITY IN YOUNG PEOPLE THAT SENSE OF INTEGRITY AND AUTHENTICITY IN THE ACTION AND THE WORD IS VERY INTEGRITY AND AUTHENTICITY IN THE ACTION AND THE WORD IS VERY POWERFUL.

THE ACTION AND THE WORD IS VERY POWERFUL.

>> I CANNOT THINK OF A SINGLE POWERFUL.

>> I CANNOT THINK OF A SINGLE PUBLIC FIGURE—SECULAR, >> I CANNOT THINK OF A SINGLE PUBLIC FIGURE—SECULAR, RELIGIOUS, OR ANY OTHER KIND WHO PUBLIC FIGURE—SECULAR, RELIGIOUS, OR ANY OTHER KIND WHO HAS INSPIRED, PROVOKED THE LEVEL RELIGIOUS, OR ANY OTHER KIND WHO HAS INSPIRED, PROVOKED THE LEVEL OF CIVIL DISCOURSE AND HAS INSPIRED, PROVOKED THE LEVEL OF CIVIL DISCOURSE AND DISCUSSION AND ANIMATED OF CIVIL DISCOURSE AND DISCUSSION AND ANIMATED EXCHANGES THAT THIS MAN HAS.

DISCUSSION AND ANIMATED EXCHANGES THAT THIS MAN HAS.

>> Reporter: BUT COULD ALL THE EXCHANGES THAT THIS MAN HAS.

>> Reporter: BUT COULD ALL THE ADULATION OF FRANCIS BE TOO >> Reporter: BUT COULD ALL THE ADULATION OF FRANCIS BE TOO MUCH?

ADULATION OF FRANCIS BE TOO MUCH?

>> ONE OF MY MORE CYNICAL MUCH?

>> ONE OF MY MORE CYNICAL FRIENDS, SOMEONE SKEPTICAL ABOUT >> ONE OF MY MORE CYNICAL FRIENDS, SOMEONE SKEPTICAL ABOUT ALL THIS, SAID "THIS IS JUST A FRIENDS, SOMEONE SKEPTICAL ABOUT ALL THIS, SAID "THIS IS JUST A BIG VATICAN PR CAMPAIGN."

ALL THIS, SAID "THIS IS JUST A BIG VATICAN PR CAMPAIGN."

AND I SAID, "NAME THE LAST BIG VATICAN PR CAMPAIGN."

AND I SAID, "NAME THE LAST SUCCESSFUL VATICAN PR CAMPAIGN."

AND I SAID, "NAME THE LAST SUCCESSFUL VATICAN PR CAMPAIGN."

>> Reporter: ALONGSIDE FRANCIS'S SUCCESSFUL VATICAN PR CAMPAIGN."

>> Reporter: ALONGSIDE FRANCIS'S POPULARITY, BROOKS SAW A DANGER.

>> Reporter: ALONGSIDE FRANCIS'S POPULARITY, BROOKS SAW A DANGER.

HE CALLED IT "MUSHINESS."

POPULARITY, BROOKS SAW A DANGER.

HE CALLED IT "MUSHINESS."

>> FRANCIS'S CORE MESSAGE IS THE HE CALLED IT "MUSHINESS."

>> FRANCIS'S CORE MESSAGE IS THE PERSON OF FRANCIS.

>> FRANCIS'S CORE MESSAGE IS THE PERSON OF FRANCIS.

THE RISK THEREIN, IT SEEMS TO PERSON OF FRANCIS.

THE RISK THEREIN, IT SEEMS TO ME, IS THE CHURCH IS NOT ONLY A THE RISK THEREIN, IT SEEMS TO ME, IS THE CHURCH IS NOT ONLY A FEEL-GOOD INSTITUTION ABOUT A ME, IS THE CHURCH IS NOT ONLY A FEEL-GOOD INSTITUTION ABOUT A HUMBLE GUY.

FEEL-GOOD INSTITUTION ABOUT A HUMBLE GUY.

IT IS A DOCTRINE AND A CREED, HUMBLE GUY.

IT IS A DOCTRINE AND A CREED, AND IT IS A SPECIFIC SET OF IT IS A DOCTRINE AND A CREED, AND IT IS A SPECIFIC SET OF BELIEFS AND CONVICTIONS, AND AND IT IS A SPECIFIC SET OF BELIEFS AND CONVICTIONS, AND THEY ARE BELIEFS THAT ARE BELIEFS AND CONVICTIONS, AND THEY ARE BELIEFS THAT ARE REASONABLY TOUGH-MINDED, AND IF THEY ARE BELIEFS THAT ARE REASONABLY TOUGH-MINDED, AND IF YOU LOSE CONTACT WITH THE REASONABLY TOUGH-MINDED, AND IF YOU LOSE CONTACT WITH THE DOCTRINE, THE STUFF THAT YOU LOSE CONTACT WITH THE DOCTRINE, THE STUFF THAT ACTUALLY MAKES OUTSIDERS A DOCTRINE, THE STUFF THAT ACTUALLY MAKES OUTSIDERS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, WITH A ACTUALLY MAKES OUTSIDERS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, WITH A CHARMING GUY WHO WASHES PEOPLE'S LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, WITH A CHARMING GUY WHO WASHES PEOPLE'S FEET, THEN YOU ARE LOSING CHARMING GUY WHO WASHES PEOPLE'S FEET, THEN YOU ARE LOSING SOMETHING ELEMENTAL TO THE FEET, THEN YOU ARE LOSING SOMETHING ELEMENTAL TO THE CHURCH.

SOMETHING ELEMENTAL TO THE CHURCH.

>> Reporter: BUT AS A FLAG MOVED CHURCH.

>> Reporter: BUT AS A FLAG MOVED BEHIND HIM, SHIELDS HAD A >> Reporter: BUT AS A FLAG MOVED BEHIND HIM, SHIELDS HAD A DIFFERENT EMPHASIS.

BEHIND HIM, SHIELDS HAD A DIFFERENT EMPHASIS.

>> HE ANSWERS THE QUESTION, OR DIFFERENT EMPHASIS.

>> HE ANSWERS THE QUESTION, OR ASKS THE QUESTION THAT ALL OF US >> HE ANSWERS THE QUESTION, OR ASKS THE QUESTION THAT ALL OF US HAVE TO ANSWER.

ASKS THE QUESTION THAT ALL OF US HAVE TO ANSWER.

NOT ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU HAVE TO ANSWER.

NOT ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE, BUT ARE WE BETTER OFF?

NOT ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE, BUT ARE WE BETTER OFF?

ARE THE STRONG AMONG US MORE WERE, BUT ARE WE BETTER OFF?

ARE THE STRONG AMONG US MORE JUST, ARE THEY MORE HUMANE, ARE ARE THE STRONG AMONG US MORE JUST, ARE THEY MORE HUMANE, ARE THEY MORE ENGAGED?

JUST, ARE THEY MORE HUMANE, ARE THEY MORE ENGAGED?

ARE THE WEAK AMONG US MORE THEY MORE ENGAGED?

ARE THE WEAK AMONG US MORE SECURE, MORE COMFORTED, AND MORE ARE THE WEAK AMONG US MORE SECURE, MORE COMFORTED, AND MORE VALUED?

SECURE, MORE COMFORTED, AND MORE VALUED?

AND TO ME THAT IS A MESSAGE THAT VALUED?

AND TO ME THAT IS A MESSAGE THAT WE NEED DESPERATELY IN THIS AND TO ME THAT IS A MESSAGE THAT WE NEED DESPERATELY IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN THIS WORLD.

WE NEED DESPERATELY IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN THIS WORLD.

>> Reporter: AFTER THE COUNTRY AND IN THIS WORLD.

>> Reporter: AFTER THE DISCUSSION, I ASKED JOHN CARR >> Reporter: AFTER THE DISCUSSION, I ASKED JOHN CARR WHAT HE THINKS WASHINGTON DISCUSSION, I ASKED JOHN CARR WHAT HE THINKS WASHINGTON OFFICIALS THINK OF THE POPE.

WHAT HE THINKS WASHINGTON OFFICIALS THINK OF THE POPE.

>> I THINK THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT OFFICIALS THINK OF THE POPE.

>> I THINK THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF HIM.

>> I THINK THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF HIM.

THIS IS A HUMBLE MAN WHO HAS A TO MAKE OF HIM.

THIS IS A HUMBLE MAN WHO HAS A POWERFUL POSITION, WHO WON AN THIS IS A HUMBLE MAN WHO HAS A POWERFUL POSITION, WHO WON AN ELECTION THAT NO ONE EXPECTED POWERFUL POSITION, WHO WON AN ELECTION THAT NO ONE EXPECTED HIM TO WIN.

ELECTION THAT NO ONE EXPECTED HIM TO WIN.

HE WAS 41st IN THE BETTING LINE, HIM TO WIN.

HE WAS 41st IN THE BETTING LINE, AND HE HAS DECIDED THAT HIS HE WAS 41st IN THE BETTING LINE, AND HE HAS DECIDED THAT HIS BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST MEANS AND HE HAS DECIDED THAT HIS BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST MEANS THAT HE WILL SPEAK FOR THE POOR, BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST MEANS THAT HE WILL SPEAK FOR THE POOR, FOR THE VULNERABLE, FOR THE THAT HE WILL SPEAK FOR THE POOR, FOR THE VULNERABLE, FOR THE IMMIGRANTS IN A WAY THAT I THINK FOR THE VULNERABLE, FOR THE IMMIGRANTS IN A WAY THAT I THINK TOUCHES HEARTS, EVEN THE HEARTS IMMIGRANTS IN A WAY THAT I THINK TOUCHES HEARTS, EVEN THE HEARTS OF WASHINGTON.

TOUCHES HEARTS, EVEN THE HEARTS OF WASHINGTON.

>>> NEW NUMBERS THIS WEEK ABOUT OF WASHINGTON.

>>> NEW NUMBERS THIS WEEK ABOUT AMERICAN JEWISH IDENTITY.

>>> NEW NUMBERS THIS WEEK ABOUT AMERICAN JEWISH IDENTITY.

ACCORDING TO A WIDE-RANGING AMERICAN JEWISH IDENTITY.

ACCORDING TO A WIDE-RANGING SURVEY BY THE PEW RESEARCH ACCORDING TO A WIDE-RANGING SURVEY BY THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER'S RELIGION AND PUBLIC SURVEY BY THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER'S RELIGION AND PUBLIC POLICY PROJECT, ONE-IN FIVE U.S. CENTER'S RELIGION AND PUBLIC POLICY PROJECT, ONE-IN FIVE U.S. JEWS -— 22% -- NOW DESCRIBE POLICY PROJECT, ONE-IN FIVE U.S. JEWS -— 22% -- NOW DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS HAVING NO JEWS -— 22% -- NOW DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS HAVING NO RELIGION.

THEMSELVES AS HAVING NO RELIGION.

62% SAY BEING JEWISH IS MAINLY A RELIGION.

62% SAY BEING JEWISH IS MAINLY A MATTER OF ANCESTRY AND CULTURE, 62% SAY BEING JEWISH IS MAINLY A MATTER OF ANCESTRY AND CULTURE, WHILE JUST 15% SAY IT'S MAINLY A MATTER OF ANCESTRY AND CULTURE, WHILE JUST 15% SAY IT'S MAINLY A MATTER OF RELIGION.

WHILE JUST 15% SAY IT'S MAINLY A MATTER OF RELIGION.

WHEN ASKED WHAT AN ESSENTIAL MATTER OF RELIGION.

WHEN ASKED WHAT AN ESSENTIAL PART OF BEING JEWISH MEANS, 73% WHEN ASKED WHAT AN ESSENTIAL PART OF BEING JEWISH MEANS, 73% SAID REMEMBERING THE HOLOCAUST PART OF BEING JEWISH MEANS, 73% SAID REMEMBERING THE HOLOCAUST AND 69% SAID LEADING AN ETHICAL SAID REMEMBERING THE HOLOCAUST AND 69% SAID LEADING AN ETHICAL LIFE.

AND 69% SAID LEADING AN ETHICAL LIFE.

CARING ABOUT ISRAEL CAME IN LIFE.

CARING ABOUT ISRAEL CAME IN FIFTH AT 43%, FOLLOWED CLOSELY CARING ABOUT ISRAEL CAME IN FIFTH AT 43%, FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY HAVING A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR.

FIFTH AT 43%, FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY HAVING A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR.

FOR THE LAST TWO DECADES A BY HAVING A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR.

FOR THE LAST TWO DECADES A MAJORITY OF JEWS WHO MARRIED, FOR THE LAST TWO DECADES A MAJORITY OF JEWS WHO MARRIED, MARRIED NON-JEWS, AND MORE THAN MAJORITY OF JEWS WHO MARRIED, MARRIED NON-JEWS, AND MORE THAN A THIRD OF ALL INTERMARRIED MARRIED NON-JEWS, AND MORE THAN A THIRD OF ALL INTERMARRIED COUPLES SAY THEY ARE NOT RAISING A THIRD OF ALL INTERMARRIED COUPLES SAY THEY ARE NOT RAISING THEIR CHILDREN JEWISH AT ALL.

COUPLES SAY THEY ARE NOT RAISING THEIR CHILDREN JEWISH AT ALL.

>>> THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY THEIR CHILDREN JEWISH AT ALL.

>>> THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL THIS WEEK EXPRESSED >>> THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL THIS WEEK EXPRESSED ALARM AT THE "RAPID COUNCIL THIS WEEK EXPRESSED ALARM AT THE "RAPID DETERIORATION" OF THE ALARM AT THE "RAPID DETERIORATION" OF THE HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IN SYRIA.

DETERIORATION" OF THE HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IN SYRIA.

IT URGED THE ASSAD REGIME AND HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IN SYRIA.

IT URGED THE ASSAD REGIME AND REBEL GROUPS TO ALLOW IMMEDIATE IT URGED THE ASSAD REGIME AND REBEL GROUPS TO ALLOW IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO AID.

REBEL GROUPS TO ALLOW IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO AID.

THE COUNCIL AGREED ON A ACCESS TO AID.

THE COUNCIL AGREED ON A NON-BINDING STATEMENT WHICH THE COUNCIL AGREED ON A NON-BINDING STATEMENT WHICH CALLS FOR CROSS-BORDER AID NON-BINDING STATEMENT WHICH CALLS FOR CROSS-BORDER AID DELIVERIES AND PAUSES IN CALLS FOR CROSS-BORDER AID DELIVERIES AND PAUSES IN FIGHTING SO AID CAN GET IN.

DELIVERIES AND PAUSES IN FIGHTING SO AID CAN GET IN.

UN OFFICIALS ESTIMATE THAT FIGHTING SO AID CAN GET IN.

UN OFFICIALS ESTIMATE THAT 5 MILLION SYRIANS HAVE BEEN UN OFFICIALS ESTIMATE THAT 5 MILLION SYRIANS HAVE BEEN INTERNALLY DISPLACED BY THE 5 MILLION SYRIANS HAVE BEEN INTERNALLY DISPLACED BY THE CONFLICT.

INTERNALLY DISPLACED BY THE CONFLICT.

>>> AROUND THE WORLD, ONLY THREE CONFLICT.

>>> AROUND THE WORLD, ONLY THREE COUNTRIES HAVE NOT YET >>> AROUND THE WORLD, ONLY THREE COUNTRIES HAVE NOT YET ELIMINATED THE SCOURGE OF POLIO.

COUNTRIES HAVE NOT YET ELIMINATED THE SCOURGE OF POLIO.

ONE OF THEM IS PAKISTAN, AND AS ELIMINATED THE SCOURGE OF POLIO.

ONE OF THEM IS PAKISTAN, AND AS FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS MANY ONE OF THEM IS PAKISTAN, AND AS FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS MANY OF THE VACCINATION CAMPAIGNS FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS MANY OF THE VACCINATION CAMPAIGNS THERE HAVE BEEN STALLED OR SHUT OF THE VACCINATION CAMPAIGNS THERE HAVE BEEN STALLED OR SHUT DOWN BY SUSPICIONS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN STALLED OR SHUT DOWN BY SUSPICIONS THAT IMMUNIZATION IS A U.S.

PLOT, OR DOWN BY SUSPICIONS THAT IMMUNIZATION IS A U.S.

PLOT, OR IS FORBIDDEN BY ISLAM.

IMMUNIZATION IS A U.S.

PLOT, OR IS FORBIDDEN BY ISLAM.

>> Reporter: SLUMS LIKE THIS ONE IS FORBIDDEN BY ISLAM.

>> Reporter: SLUMS LIKE THIS ONE IN PAKISTAN'S COMMERCIAL >> Reporter: SLUMS LIKE THIS ONE IN PAKISTAN'S COMMERCIAL CAPITAL, KARACHI, ARE THE HOME IN PAKISTAN'S COMMERCIAL CAPITAL, KARACHI, ARE THE HOME STRETCH OF ONE OF HISTORY'S MOST CAPITAL, KARACHI, ARE THE HOME STRETCH OF ONE OF HISTORY'S MOST EXTENSIVE DISEASE ERADICATION STRETCH OF ONE OF HISTORY'S MOST EXTENSIVE DISEASE ERADICATION CAMPAIGNS.

EXTENSIVE DISEASE ERADICATION CAMPAIGNS.

POLIO CASES, TENS OF THOUSANDS A CAMPAIGNS.

POLIO CASES, TENS OF THOUSANDS A DECADE AGO, NUMBER JUST A FEW POLIO CASES, TENS OF THOUSANDS A DECADE AGO, NUMBER JUST A FEW DOZEN TODAY.

DECADE AGO, NUMBER JUST A FEW DOZEN TODAY.

BUT IN PAKISTAN, ONE OF JUST DOZEN TODAY.

BUT IN PAKISTAN, ONE OF JUST THREE COUNTRIES WHERE THE VIRUS BUT IN PAKISTAN, ONE OF JUST THREE COUNTRIES WHERE THE VIRUS REMAINS ENDEMIC, THE CAMPAIGN THREE COUNTRIES WHERE THE VIRUS REMAINS ENDEMIC, THE CAMPAIGN HAS STALLED IF NOT GONE REMAINS ENDEMIC, THE CAMPAIGN HAS STALLED IF NOT GONE BACKWARDS.

HAS STALLED IF NOT GONE BACKWARDS.

IT'S ESPECIALLY FRUSTRATING BACKWARDS.

IT'S ESPECIALLY FRUSTRATING SINCE NEIGHBOR INDIA, WITH IT'S ESPECIALLY FRUSTRATING SINCE NEIGHBOR INDIA, WITH SIMILAR URBAN SLUMS AND CROWDED SINCE NEIGHBOR INDIA, WITH SIMILAR URBAN SLUMS AND CROWDED UNSANITARY CONDITIONS THAT SIMILAR URBAN SLUMS AND CROWDED UNSANITARY CONDITIONS THAT EXPOSE CHILDREN TO THE UNSANITARY CONDITIONS THAT EXPOSE CHILDREN TO THE PARALYZING VIRUS, INDIA WAS EXPOSE CHILDREN TO THE PARALYZING VIRUS, INDIA WAS DECLARED POLIO-FREE IN 2012.

PARALYZING VIRUS, INDIA WAS DECLARED POLIO-FREE IN 2012.

>> THE FACT THAT THEY'VE DONE IT DECLARED POLIO-FREE IN 2012.

>> THE FACT THAT THEY'VE DONE IT IS WHAT MAKES ME THINK THAT WE >> THE FACT THAT THEY'VE DONE IT IS WHAT MAKES ME THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT.

IS WHAT MAKES ME THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT.

IF YOU CAN PUT ENOUGH BOOTS ON CAN DO IT.

IF YOU CAN PUT ENOUGH BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND DO HIGH-QUALITY IF YOU CAN PUT ENOUGH BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND DO HIGH-QUALITY CAMPAIGNS.

THE GROUND AND DO HIGH-QUALITY CAMPAIGNS.

BECAUSE IF INDIA CAN DO IT, CAMPAIGNS.

BECAUSE IF INDIA CAN DO IT, PAKISTAN CAN DO IT.

BECAUSE IF INDIA CAN DO IT, PAKISTAN CAN DO IT.

>> Reporter: DR. ANITA ZAIDI PAKISTAN CAN DO IT.

>> Reporter: DR. ANITA ZAIDI SAYS IT HASN'T BECAUSE OF A >> Reporter: DR. ANITA ZAIDI SAYS IT HASN'T BECAUSE OF A PERFECT STORM EPIC FLOODS, SAYS IT HASN'T BECAUSE OF A PERFECT STORM EPIC FLOODS, POLITICAL TURMOIL, AND RELIGIOUS PERFECT STORM EPIC FLOODS, POLITICAL TURMOIL, AND RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS WHO'VE FOUGHT THE POLITICAL TURMOIL, AND RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS WHO'VE FOUGHT THE CAMPAIGN WITH GUNS AND RUMORS.

EXTREMISTS WHO'VE FOUGHT THE CAMPAIGN WITH GUNS AND RUMORS.

AND THERE WAS ONE MORE SETBACK, CAMPAIGN WITH GUNS AND RUMORS.

AND THERE WAS ONE MORE SETBACK, THE HUNT HERE IN PAKISTAN FOR AND THERE WAS ONE MORE SETBACK, THE HUNT HERE IN PAKISTAN FOR OSAMA BIN LADEN, IN WHICH THE THE HUNT HERE IN PAKISTAN FOR OSAMA BIN LADEN, IN WHICH THE U.S. CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY OSAMA BIN LADEN, IN WHICH THE U.S. CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY RAN A FAKE VACCINE CAMPAIGN TO U.S. CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY RAN A FAKE VACCINE CAMPAIGN TO GATHER DNA SAMPLES.

RAN A FAKE VACCINE CAMPAIGN TO GATHER DNA SAMPLES.

>> WHICH HAS HUGELY DAMAGED GATHER DNA SAMPLES.

>> WHICH HAS HUGELY DAMAGED PUBLIC HEALTH PROGRAMS, NOT ONLY >> WHICH HAS HUGELY DAMAGED PUBLIC HEALTH PROGRAMS, NOT ONLY IN PAKISTAN BUT IN MANY, MANY PUBLIC HEALTH PROGRAMS, NOT ONLY IN PAKISTAN BUT IN MANY, MANY COUNTRIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE ASK IN PAKISTAN BUT IN MANY, MANY COUNTRIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE ASK ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS.

COUNTRIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE ASK ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS.

THEY NOW THINK THAT THE VACCINE ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS.

THEY NOW THINK THAT THE VACCINE PROGRAMS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SPY THEY NOW THINK THAT THE VACCINE PROGRAMS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SPY OPERATIONS.

PROGRAMS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SPY OPERATIONS.

>> Reporter: THE PERCEIVED OPERATIONS.

>> Reporter: THE PERCEIVED VIOLATION OF PAKISTANI >> Reporter: THE PERCEIVED VIOLATION OF PAKISTANI SOVEREIGNTY IN BIN LADEN'S VIOLATION OF PAKISTANI SOVEREIGNTY IN BIN LADEN'S CAPTURE, THE CONTINUING DRONE SOVEREIGNTY IN BIN LADEN'S CAPTURE, THE CONTINUING DRONE ATTACKS TARGETING MILITANTS HAVE CAPTURE, THE CONTINUING DRONE ATTACKS TARGETING MILITANTS HAVE MADE THE U.S.

DEEPLY UNPOPULAR ATTACKS TARGETING MILITANTS HAVE MADE THE U.S.

DEEPLY UNPOPULAR HERE.

MADE THE U.S.

DEEPLY UNPOPULAR HERE.

AND IT'S HELPED EXTREMISTS, HERE.

AND IT'S HELPED EXTREMISTS, WHO'VE LONG FUELED A RUMOR THAT AND IT'S HELPED EXTREMISTS, WHO'VE LONG FUELED A RUMOR THAT THE POLIO CAMPAIGN IS A PLOT WHO'VE LONG FUELED A RUMOR THAT THE POLIO CAMPAIGN IS A PLOT AGAINST MUSLIMS.

THE POLIO CAMPAIGN IS A PLOT AGAINST MUSLIMS.

BUSINESSMAN AZIZ MEMON IS WITH AGAINST MUSLIMS.

BUSINESSMAN AZIZ MEMON IS WITH ROTARY INTERNATIONAL, WHICH HAS BUSINESSMAN AZIZ MEMON IS WITH ROTARY INTERNATIONAL, WHICH HAS SPENT $1.2 BILLION OVER THE PAST ROTARY INTERNATIONAL, WHICH HAS SPENT $1.2 BILLION OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES AND LED THE GLOBAL SPENT $1.2 BILLION OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES AND LED THE GLOBAL POLIO EFFORT.

TWO DECADES AND LED THE GLOBAL POLIO EFFORT.

HE SAYS TALIBAN MILITANTS HAVE POLIO EFFORT.

HE SAYS TALIBAN MILITANTS HAVE STEPPED UP THEIR HE SAYS TALIBAN MILITANTS HAVE STEPPED UP THEIR ANTI-VACCINATION EFFORTS.

STEPPED UP THEIR ANTI-VACCINATION EFFORTS.

>> THEY ISSUED A BAN ON POLIO ANTI-VACCINATION EFFORTS.

>> THEY ISSUED A BAN ON POLIO IMMUNIZATION, WHICH IS TODAY >> THEY ISSUED A BAN ON POLIO IMMUNIZATION, WHICH IS TODAY ALSO EXISTING.

IMMUNIZATION, WHICH IS TODAY ALSO EXISTING.

THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO AT ALSO EXISTING.

THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO AT ONE TIME WERE REJECTING IT ON THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO AT ONE TIME WERE REJECTING IT ON THE BASIS THAT IT IS GOING TO ONE TIME WERE REJECTING IT ON THE BASIS THAT IT IS GOING TO MAKE THAT CHILD INFERTILE.

THE BASIS THAT IT IS GOING TO MAKE THAT CHILD INFERTILE.

>> Reporter: THE POLIO MAKE THAT CHILD INFERTILE.

>> Reporter: THE POLIO ERADICATION CAMPAIGN ENLISTED >> Reporter: THE POLIO ERADICATION CAMPAIGN ENLISTED PROMINENT MAINLINE RELIGIOUS ERADICATION CAMPAIGN ENLISTED PROMINENT MAINLINE RELIGIOUS LEADERS.

PROMINENT MAINLINE RELIGIOUS LEADERS.

>> THE COUNCIL OF ISLAMIC LEADERS.

>> THE COUNCIL OF ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY NOW HAS A VERY ACTIVE >> THE COUNCIL OF ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY NOW HAS A VERY ACTIVE PROGRAM, AND THERE IS A IDEOLOGY NOW HAS A VERY ACTIVE PROGRAM, AND THERE IS A DECLARATION THAT THE COUNCIL OF PROGRAM, AND THERE IS A DECLARATION THAT THE COUNCIL OF ULEMAS HAS MADE THAT SAYS THAT DECLARATION THAT THE COUNCIL OF ULEMAS HAS MADE THAT SAYS THAT THE POLIO VACCINE IS EFFECTIVE, ULEMAS HAS MADE THAT SAYS THAT THE POLIO VACCINE IS EFFECTIVE, THAT IT'S NOT HARMFUL, AND IT IS THE POLIO VACCINE IS EFFECTIVE, THAT IT'S NOT HARMFUL, AND IT IS ALLOWED BY ISLAM AND THAT MUSLIM THAT IT'S NOT HARMFUL, AND IT IS ALLOWED BY ISLAM AND THAT MUSLIM CHILDREN CAN HAVE IT.

ALLOWED BY ISLAM AND THAT MUSLIM CHILDREN CAN HAVE IT.

>> Reporter: MUHAMMAD HANIF CHILDREN CAN HAVE IT.

>> Reporter: MUHAMMAD HANIF TAYYAB HELPED AUTHOR THE >> Reporter: MUHAMMAD HANIF TAYYAB HELPED AUTHOR THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS BEING TAYYAB HELPED AUTHOR THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS BEING DISTRIBUTED TO MOSQUES ACROSS DOCUMENT, WHICH IS BEING DISTRIBUTED TO MOSQUES ACROSS PAKISTAN.

DISTRIBUTED TO MOSQUES ACROSS PAKISTAN.

>> THEY WILL GO AND EXPLAIN TO PAKISTAN.

>> THEY WILL GO AND EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE, "LOOK, IN THE REST >> THEY WILL GO AND EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE, "LOOK, IN THE REST OF THE MUSLIM WORLD, IN IRAN, IN THE PEOPLE, "LOOK, IN THE REST OF THE MUSLIM WORLD, IN IRAN, IN SAUDI ARABIA, THIS CRIPPLING OF THE MUSLIM WORLD, IN IRAN, IN SAUDI ARABIA, THIS CRIPPLING CURSE HAS BEEN ERADICATED.

SAUDI ARABIA, THIS CRIPPLING CURSE HAS BEEN ERADICATED.

WHY IS IT THAT WE CANNOT CURSE HAS BEEN ERADICATED.

WHY IS IT THAT WE CANNOT ERADICATE IT FROM OUR COUNTRY?"

WHY IS IT THAT WE CANNOT ERADICATE IT FROM OUR COUNTRY?"

>> Reporter: THE DECLARATION OR ERADICATE IT FROM OUR COUNTRY?"

>> Reporter: THE DECLARATION OR FATWA BY TOP LEADERS HAS ENABLED >> Reporter: THE DECLARATION OR FATWA BY TOP LEADERS HAS ENABLED LOCAL IMAMS LIKE BILAL AHMED TO FATWA BY TOP LEADERS HAS ENABLED LOCAL IMAMS LIKE BILAL AHMED TO TELL HIS CONGREGANTS, MOST OF LOCAL IMAMS LIKE BILAL AHMED TO TELL HIS CONGREGANTS, MOST OF THEM NOT LITERATE, THAT TELL HIS CONGREGANTS, MOST OF THEM NOT LITERATE, THAT RECEIVING THE VACCINE IS NOT THEM NOT LITERATE, THAT RECEIVING THE VACCINE IS NOT HARAM, OR SINFUL.

RECEIVING THE VACCINE IS NOT HARAM, OR SINFUL.

>> PEOPLE COME TO ME AND ASK IF HARAM, OR SINFUL.

>> PEOPLE COME TO ME AND ASK IF IT IS HARAM, AND I SAY YOU'VE >> PEOPLE COME TO ME AND ASK IF IT IS HARAM, AND I SAY YOU'VE BEEN TAKING ENGLISH MEDICINES IT IS HARAM, AND I SAY YOU'VE BEEN TAKING ENGLISH MEDICINES ALL YOUR LIFE, AND NONE OF THEM BEEN TAKING ENGLISH MEDICINES ALL YOUR LIFE, AND NONE OF THEM ARE HARAM.

ALL YOUR LIFE, AND NONE OF THEM ARE HARAM.

SO WHY WOULD THIS ONE BE?

ARE HARAM.

SO WHY WOULD THIS ONE BE?

>> Reporter: THAT MAY INCREASE SO WHY WOULD THIS ONE BE?

>> Reporter: THAT MAY INCREASE PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE OF THE >> Reporter: THAT MAY INCREASE PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE OF THE VACCINE.

PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE OF THE VACCINE.

BUT IT HASN'T MADE LIFE ANY VACCINE.

BUT IT HASN'T MADE LIFE ANY SAFER FOR VACCINATORS.

BUT IT HASN'T MADE LIFE ANY SAFER FOR VACCINATORS.

AT LEAST 22 HAVE BEEN GUNNED SAFER FOR VACCINATORS.

AT LEAST 22 HAVE BEEN GUNNED DOWN IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO.

AT LEAST 22 HAVE BEEN GUNNED DOWN IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO.

>> POLIO WORKERS, THEY LOVE TO DOWN IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO.

>> POLIO WORKERS, THEY LOVE TO TARGET THEM NOT JUST BECAUSE OF >> POLIO WORKERS, THEY LOVE TO TARGET THEM NOT JUST BECAUSE OF POLIO, BUT BECAUSE TOUCHING A TARGET THEM NOT JUST BECAUSE OF POLIO, BUT BECAUSE TOUCHING A POLIO WORKER MAKES NEWS.

POLIO, BUT BECAUSE TOUCHING A POLIO WORKER MAKES NEWS.

THEY KNOW THAT.

POLIO WORKER MAKES NEWS.

THEY KNOW THAT.

I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.

THEY KNOW THAT.

I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.

>> Reporter: YOU MEAN THEY'RE I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.

>> Reporter: YOU MEAN THEY'RE AFTER THE PUBLICITY?

>> Reporter: YOU MEAN THEY'RE AFTER THE PUBLICITY?

>> YES.

AFTER THE PUBLICITY?

>> YES.

YES, SIR, THEY'RE AFTER THE >> YES.

YES, SIR, THEY'RE AFTER THE PUBLICITY.

YES, SIR, THEY'RE AFTER THE PUBLICITY.

>> Reporter: WHO EXACTLY IS PUBLICITY.

>> Reporter: WHO EXACTLY IS AFTER THE PUBLICITY?

>> Reporter: WHO EXACTLY IS AFTER THE PUBLICITY?

>> THESE TALIBAN GROUPS SO YOU AFTER THE PUBLICITY?

>> THESE TALIBAN GROUPS SO YOU KNOW THIS BECOMES QUITE AN >> THESE TALIBAN GROUPS SO YOU KNOW THIS BECOMES QUITE AN INTERNATIONAL NEWS ALSO.

KNOW THIS BECOMES QUITE AN INTERNATIONAL NEWS ALSO.

>> Reporter: IN KARACHI, WORKERS INTERNATIONAL NEWS ALSO.

>> Reporter: IN KARACHI, WORKERS WE SPOKE TO, PAID ABOUT $5 A >> Reporter: IN KARACHI, WORKERS WE SPOKE TO, PAID ABOUT $5 A DAY, SAID THEY WERE UNDETERRED.

WE SPOKE TO, PAID ABOUT $5 A DAY, SAID THEY WERE UNDETERRED.

>> THE SECURITY SITUATION IS DAY, SAID THEY WERE UNDETERRED.

>> THE SECURITY SITUATION IS TOUGH ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, BUT >> THE SECURITY SITUATION IS TOUGH ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO TOUGH ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE CHILDREN.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE CHILDREN.

>> THIS DISEASE CRIPPLES FOR THE CHILDREN.

>> THIS DISEASE CRIPPLES CHILDREN, NOT JUST FOR A DAY BUT >> THIS DISEASE CRIPPLES CHILDREN, NOT JUST FOR A DAY BUT FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, AND IT CHILDREN, NOT JUST FOR A DAY BUT FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, AND IT AFFECTS THE WHOLE FAMILY.

FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, AND IT AFFECTS THE WHOLE FAMILY.

>> THIS IS IMPORTANT.

AFFECTS THE WHOLE FAMILY.

>> THIS IS IMPORTANT.

AS WOMEN HEALTH WORKERS, IT IS >> THIS IS IMPORTANT.

AS WOMEN HEALTH WORKERS, IT IS OUR JOB TO HELP KIDS.

AS WOMEN HEALTH WORKERS, IT IS OUR JOB TO HELP KIDS.

POLIO TEAMS ARE BEING ATTACKED, OUR JOB TO HELP KIDS.

POLIO TEAMS ARE BEING ATTACKED, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO POLIO TEAMS ARE BEING ATTACKED, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO.

>> Reporter: THEY FANNED OUT DO.

>> Reporter: THEY FANNED OUT ACROSS CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, >> Reporter: THEY FANNED OUT ACROSS CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, SOMETIMES ACCOMPANIED BY ARMED ACROSS CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, SOMETIMES ACCOMPANIED BY ARMED POLICEMEN, WHICH HAS NOT SOMETIMES ACCOMPANIED BY ARMED POLICEMEN, WHICH HAS NOT PREVENTED SOME ATTACKS.

POLICEMEN, WHICH HAS NOT PREVENTED SOME ATTACKS.

DIFFICULT AS IT IS FOR PREVENTED SOME ATTACKS.

DIFFICULT AS IT IS FOR VACCINATORS TO WORK IN THE DIFFICULT AS IT IS FOR VACCINATORS TO WORK IN THE CITIES, IT'S BECOMING VIRTUALLY VACCINATORS TO WORK IN THE CITIES, IT'S BECOMING VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE IN THE NORTH AND CITIES, IT'S BECOMING VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE IN THE NORTH AND NORTHWEST OF THIS COUNTRY, NEAR IMPOSSIBLE IN THE NORTH AND NORTHWEST OF THIS COUNTRY, NEAR THE AFGHAN BORDER.

NORTHWEST OF THIS COUNTRY, NEAR THE AFGHAN BORDER.

EXTREMIST MILITANT LEADERS THERE THE AFGHAN BORDER.

EXTREMIST MILITANT LEADERS THERE HAVE DECLARED THE POLIO CAMPAIGN EXTREMIST MILITANT LEADERS THERE HAVE DECLARED THE POLIO CAMPAIGN OFF LIMITS.

HAVE DECLARED THE POLIO CAMPAIGN OFF LIMITS.

FOR NOW THE POLIO ERADICATION OFF LIMITS.

FOR NOW THE POLIO ERADICATION CAMPAIGN HAS TARGETED CHILDREN FOR NOW THE POLIO ERADICATION CAMPAIGN HAS TARGETED CHILDREN ON BUSES TO AND FROM THE NO-GO CAMPAIGN HAS TARGETED CHILDREN ON BUSES TO AND FROM THE NO-GO REGIONS.

ON BUSES TO AND FROM THE NO-GO REGIONS.

DR. ZAIDI SAYS THIS WILL, AT REGIONS.

DR. ZAIDI SAYS THIS WILL, AT BEST, CONTAIN POLIO, NOT WIPE IT DR. ZAIDI SAYS THIS WILL, AT BEST, CONTAIN POLIO, NOT WIPE IT OUT.

BEST, CONTAIN POLIO, NOT WIPE IT OUT.

TO DO THAT, SHE SAYS PAKISTAN'S OUT.

TO DO THAT, SHE SAYS PAKISTAN'S MILITARY WILL NEED TO TAKE ON TO DO THAT, SHE SAYS PAKISTAN'S MILITARY WILL NEED TO TAKE ON THE MILITANTS TO ALLOW MILITARY WILL NEED TO TAKE ON THE MILITANTS TO ALLOW VACCINATORS SAFE ACCESS.

THE MILITANTS TO ALLOW VACCINATORS SAFE ACCESS.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER ONE VACCINATORS SAFE ACCESS.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM OF PAKISTAN RIGHT NOW IS >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM OF PAKISTAN RIGHT NOW IS TERRORISM.

PROBLEM OF PAKISTAN RIGHT NOW IS TERRORISM.

I MEAN POLIO IS JUST A BYPRODUCT TERRORISM.

I MEAN POLIO IS JUST A BYPRODUCT OF THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN POLIO IS JUST A BYPRODUCT OF THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

THE CENTRAL ISSUE IS FIGHTING OF THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

THE CENTRAL ISSUE IS FIGHTING TERRORISM, AND IF YOU ADDRESS THE CENTRAL ISSUE IS FIGHTING TERRORISM, AND IF YOU ADDRESS THE SECURITY SITUATION, THE TERRORISM, AND IF YOU ADDRESS THE SECURITY SITUATION, THE POLIO PROBLEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY THE SECURITY SITUATION, THE POLIO PROBLEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE ADDRESSED.

POLIO PROBLEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE ADDRESSED.

>> Reporter: BUT THERE'S YET ONE BE ADDRESSED.

>> Reporter: BUT THERE'S YET ONE MORE COMPLICATION THAT WE SAW >> Reporter: BUT THERE'S YET ONE MORE COMPLICATION THAT WE SAW WORKERS ENCOUNTER IN THE KARACHI MORE COMPLICATION THAT WE SAW WORKERS ENCOUNTER IN THE KARACHI SLUM, PUBLIC AMBIVALENCE.

WORKERS ENCOUNTER IN THE KARACHI SLUM, PUBLIC AMBIVALENCE.

EVEN AS THEY URGED PARENTS TO SLUM, PUBLIC AMBIVALENCE.

EVEN AS THEY URGED PARENTS TO BRING CHILDREN OUT TO GET THE EVEN AS THEY URGED PARENTS TO BRING CHILDREN OUT TO GET THE VACCINE DROPS, EVEN AS PEOPLE IN BRING CHILDREN OUT TO GET THE VACCINE DROPS, EVEN AS PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY INTRODUCED US TO VACCINE DROPS, EVEN AS PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY INTRODUCED US TO POLIO VICTIMS WHO LIVE HERE, THIS COMMUNITY INTRODUCED US TO POLIO VICTIMS WHO LIVE HERE, IT'S NOT CLEAR IF ALL OF THE POLIO VICTIMS WHO LIVE HERE, IT'S NOT CLEAR IF ALL OF THE CHILDREN WERE IMMUNIZED.

IT'S NOT CLEAR IF ALL OF THE CHILDREN WERE IMMUNIZED.

VACCINATORS SAY THEY GOT A CHILDREN WERE IMMUNIZED.

VACCINATORS SAY THEY GOT A LITTLE BIT OF RESISTANCE TO THE VACCINATORS SAY THEY GOT A LITTLE BIT OF RESISTANCE TO THE POLIO CAMPAIGN, BUT THEY MOSTLY LITTLE BIT OF RESISTANCE TO THE POLIO CAMPAIGN, BUT THEY MOSTLY GOT COMPLAINTS.

POLIO CAMPAIGN, BUT THEY MOSTLY GOT COMPLAINTS.

IT'S ABOUT TO RAIN, AND THEIR GOT COMPLAINTS.

IT'S ABOUT TO RAIN, AND THEIR SHELTERS ARE FLIMSY.

IT'S ABOUT TO RAIN, AND THEIR SHELTERS ARE FLIMSY.

THERE'S NO CLEAN DRINKING WATER, SHELTERS ARE FLIMSY.

THERE'S NO CLEAN DRINKING WATER, NO SANITATION, NO SCHOOLS.

THERE'S NO CLEAN DRINKING WATER, NO SANITATION, NO SCHOOLS.

FOR MILLIONS OF PAKISTANIS WHO NO SANITATION, NO SCHOOLS.

FOR MILLIONS OF PAKISTANIS WHO LIVE IN CONDITIONS LIKE THESE, FOR MILLIONS OF PAKISTANIS WHO LIVE IN CONDITIONS LIKE THESE, POLIO IS HARDLY THE MOST LIVE IN CONDITIONS LIKE THESE, POLIO IS HARDLY THE MOST PRESSING CONCERN.

POLIO IS HARDLY THE MOST PRESSING CONCERN.

SOME HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND PRESSING CONCERN.

SOME HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND POLITICAL LEADERS ALSO FEEL SOME HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND POLITICAL LEADERS ALSO FEEL PAKISTAN HAS MORE PRESSING POLITICAL LEADERS ALSO FEEL PAKISTAN HAS MORE PRESSING PROBLEMS.

PAKISTAN HAS MORE PRESSING PROBLEMS.

AFTER ALL, EDUCATION, CLEAN PROBLEMS.

AFTER ALL, EDUCATION, CLEAN WATER, AND SANITATION WOULD AFTER ALL, EDUCATION, CLEAN WATER, AND SANITATION WOULD REMOVE CONDITIONS THAT SPREAD WATER, AND SANITATION WOULD REMOVE CONDITIONS THAT SPREAD THE POLIO VIRUS.

REMOVE CONDITIONS THAT SPREAD THE POLIO VIRUS.

BUT THOSE ARE LONG TERM THE POLIO VIRUS.

BUT THOSE ARE LONG TERM SOLUTIONS.

BUT THOSE ARE LONG TERM SOLUTIONS.

POLIO CAMPAIGNERS SAY A SOLUTIONS.

POLIO CAMPAIGNERS SAY A COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY TO SIMPLY POLIO CAMPAIGNERS SAY A COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY TO SIMPLY GET DROPS TO ALL CHILDREN COULD COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY TO SIMPLY GET DROPS TO ALL CHILDREN COULD WIPE OUT THE SCOURGE MUCH GET DROPS TO ALL CHILDREN COULD WIPE OUT THE SCOURGE MUCH SOONER.

WIPE OUT THE SCOURGE MUCH SOONER.

IT WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE STIGMA SOONER.

IT WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE STIGMA PAKISTAN ENDURES INTERNATIONALLY IT WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE STIGMA PAKISTAN ENDURES INTERNATIONALLY AS AN EXPORTER OF THE VIRUS.

PAKISTAN ENDURES INTERNATIONALLY AS AN EXPORTER OF THE VIRUS.

DR. ZAIDI SAYS IT'S OUTSIDE AS AN EXPORTER OF THE VIRUS.

DR. ZAIDI SAYS IT'S OUTSIDE PRESSURE DRIVEN BY THAT CONCERN, DR. ZAIDI SAYS IT'S OUTSIDE PRESSURE DRIVEN BY THAT CONCERN, AND A RELIGIOUS IMPERATIVE, THAT PRESSURE DRIVEN BY THAT CONCERN, AND A RELIGIOUS IMPERATIVE, THAT COULD FINALLY PROPEL PAKISTAN TO AND A RELIGIOUS IMPERATIVE, THAT COULD FINALLY PROPEL PAKISTAN TO ACT.

COULD FINALLY PROPEL PAKISTAN TO ACT.

>> I THINK THE MAIN SOURCE OF ACT.

>> I THINK THE MAIN SOURCE OF EXTERNAL PRESSURE IS GOING TO >> I THINK THE MAIN SOURCE OF EXTERNAL PRESSURE IS GOING TO COME FROM SAUDI ARABIA, BECAUSE EXTERNAL PRESSURE IS GOING TO COME FROM SAUDI ARABIA, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY COME FROM SAUDI ARABIA, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HAJJ ACTING THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HAJJ ACTING AS A MAGNIFIER AND MULTIPLIER OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE HAJJ ACTING AS A MAGNIFIER AND MULTIPLIER OF POLIO CASES ALL OVER THE WORLD.

AS A MAGNIFIER AND MULTIPLIER OF POLIO CASES ALL OVER THE WORLD.

IF WE DON'T GET OUR ACT POLIO CASES ALL OVER THE WORLD.

IF WE DON'T GET OUR ACT TOGETHER, THEY MAY EASILY SAY NO IF WE DON'T GET OUR ACT TOGETHER, THEY MAY EASILY SAY NO PAKISTANIS FOR HAJJ AND UMRAH.

TOGETHER, THEY MAY EASILY SAY NO PAKISTANIS FOR HAJJ AND UMRAH.

AND IT MIGHT JUST COME TO THAT.

PAKISTANIS FOR HAJJ AND UMRAH.

AND IT MIGHT JUST COME TO THAT.

>> Reporter: FOR NOW, AMONG THE AND IT MIGHT JUST COME TO THAT.

>> Reporter: FOR NOW, AMONG THE MILLIONS WHO TRAVEL TO MECCA FOR >> Reporter: FOR NOW, AMONG THE MILLIONS WHO TRAVEL TO MECCA FOR THE ANNUAL HAJJ AND UMRAH MILLIONS WHO TRAVEL TO MECCA FOR THE ANNUAL HAJJ AND UMRAH PILGRIMAGES, PAKISTANIS MUST THE ANNUAL HAJJ AND UMRAH PILGRIMAGES, PAKISTANIS MUST PROVE THEY'VE BEEN VACCINATED PILGRIMAGES, PAKISTANIS MUST PROVE THEY'VE BEEN VACCINATED FOR POLIO.

PROVE THEY'VE BEEN VACCINATED FOR POLIO.

AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE, THEY MUST FOR POLIO.

AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE, THEY MUST TAKE YET ONE MORE DOSE ON AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE, THEY MUST TAKE YET ONE MORE DOSE ON ARRIVAL IN SAUDI ARABIA.

TAKE YET ONE MORE DOSE ON ARRIVAL IN SAUDI ARABIA.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS ARRIVAL IN SAUDI ARABIA.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM LAZARO IN KARACHI, PAKISTAN.

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