>>> COMING UP, LUCKY SEVERSON ON >>> COMING UP, LUCKY SEVERSON ON THE INSULAR WORLD OF THE >>> COMING UP, LUCKY SEVERSON ON THE INSULAR WORLD OF THE ULTRA-ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS.

THE INSULAR WORLD OF THE ULTRA-ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS.

LEAVING THAT WORLD IS NOT EASY, ULTRA-ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS.

LEAVING THAT WORLD IS NOT EASY, AND SOME OF THOSE WHO DO RISK LEAVING THAT WORLD IS NOT EASY, AND SOME OF THOSE WHO DO RISK BEING OSTRACIZED, EVEN BY THEIR AND SOME OF THOSE WHO DO RISK BEING OSTRACIZED, EVEN BY THEIR OWN FAMILIES.

BEING OSTRACIZED, EVEN BY THEIR OWN FAMILIES.

>>> ALSO, KATE OLSON ON TURNING OWN FAMILIES.

>>> ALSO, KATE OLSON ON TURNING VIOLENT CRIMINALS AT SAN QUENTIN >>> ALSO, KATE OLSON ON TURNING VIOLENT CRIMINALS AT SAN QUENTIN >>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

VIOLENT CRIMINALS AT SAN QUENTIN >>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

>>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

AS THE SENATE JUDICIARY IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

AS THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE BEGAN DEBATE ON AS THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE BEGAN DEBATE ON IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION THIS COMMITTEE BEGAN DEBATE ON IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION THIS WEEK, MANY RELIGIOUS GROUPS IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION THIS WEEK, MANY RELIGIOUS GROUPS INTENSIFIED THEIR ONGOING CALLS WEEK, MANY RELIGIOUS GROUPS INTENSIFIED THEIR ONGOING CALLS FOR COMPREHENSIVE REFORM.

INTENSIFIED THEIR ONGOING CALLS FOR COMPREHENSIVE REFORM.

EVANGELICAL LEADERS, WHO HAVE FOR COMPREHENSIVE REFORM.

EVANGELICAL LEADERS, WHO HAVE LOBBIED FOR NEW IMMIGRATION EVANGELICAL LEADERS, WHO HAVE LOBBIED FOR NEW IMMIGRATION POLICY, LAUNCHED A PRAYER LOBBIED FOR NEW IMMIGRATION POLICY, LAUNCHED A PRAYER CAMPAIGN URGING CONGRESS TO PASS POLICY, LAUNCHED A PRAYER CAMPAIGN URGING CONGRESS TO PASS A LAW IN 92 DAYS, WHICH THEY CAMPAIGN URGING CONGRESS TO PASS A LAW IN 92 DAYS, WHICH THEY SAID REFLECTS THE NUMBER OF A LAW IN 92 DAYS, WHICH THEY SAID REFLECTS THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE WORD "IMMIGRANT" SAID REFLECTS THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE WORD "IMMIGRANT" APPEARS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

TIMES THE WORD "IMMIGRANT" APPEARS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

BUT SOME OF THOSE SAME LEADERS APPEARS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

BUT SOME OF THOSE SAME LEADERS WARNED THEY WOULD OPPOSE THE BUT SOME OF THOSE SAME LEADERS WARNED THEY WOULD OPPOSE THE BILL IF IT INCLUDES AMENDMENTS WARNED THEY WOULD OPPOSE THE BILL IF IT INCLUDES AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD EXPAND IMMIGRATION BILL IF IT INCLUDES AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD EXPAND IMMIGRATION RIGHTS FOR GAY AND LESBIAN THAT WOULD EXPAND IMMIGRATION RIGHTS FOR GAY AND LESBIAN PARTNERS.

RIGHTS FOR GAY AND LESBIAN PARTNERS.

>>> THE U.S. CATHOLICS BISHOPS PARTNERS.

>>> THE U.S. CATHOLICS BISHOPS ARE RAMPING UP THEIR OPPOSITION >>> THE U.S. CATHOLICS BISHOPS ARE RAMPING UP THEIR OPPOSITION TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, AS THE ARE RAMPING UP THEIR OPPOSITION TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, AS THE NUMBER OF STATES RECOGNIZING IT TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, AS THE NUMBER OF STATES RECOGNIZING IT CONTINUES TO GROW.

NUMBER OF STATES RECOGNIZING IT CONTINUES TO GROW.

DELAWARE THIS WEEK BECAME THE CONTINUES TO GROW.

DELAWARE THIS WEEK BECAME THE 11th STATE TO LEGALIZE SAME-SEX DELAWARE THIS WEEK BECAME THE 11th STATE TO LEGALIZE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.

11th STATE TO LEGALIZE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.

IN A NEW CHURCH BULLETIN INSERT MARRIAGE.

IN A NEW CHURCH BULLETIN INSERT THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO CATHOLICS IN A NEW CHURCH BULLETIN INSERT THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO CATHOLICS AROUND THE COUNTRY, THE BISHOPS THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO CATHOLICS AROUND THE COUNTRY, THE BISHOPS URGE PRAYER FOR THE PROTECTION AROUND THE COUNTRY, THE BISHOPS URGE PRAYER FOR THE PROTECTION OF "TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE."

URGE PRAYER FOR THE PROTECTION OF "TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE."

>>> THE DALAI LAMA BEGAN A OF "TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE."

>>> THE DALAI LAMA BEGAN A SIX-CITY U.S. TOUR BY STRONGLY >>> THE DALAI LAMA BEGAN A SIX-CITY U.S. TOUR BY STRONGLY CONDEMNING INTER-RELIGIOUS SIX-CITY U.S. TOUR BY STRONGLY CONDEMNING INTER-RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE.

CONDEMNING INTER-RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE.

HE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED THE VIOLENCE.

HE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED THE RECENT CONFLICT BETWEEN HE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED THE RECENT CONFLICT BETWEEN BUDDHISTS AND MUSLIMS IN RECENT CONFLICT BETWEEN BUDDHISTS AND MUSLIMS IN MYANMAR.

BUDDHISTS AND MUSLIMS IN MYANMAR.

SPEAKING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MYANMAR.

SPEAKING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND, THE TIBETAN BUDDHIST SPEAKING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND, THE TIBETAN BUDDHIST LEADER SAID SUCH FIGHTING, LIKE MARYLAND, THE TIBETAN BUDDHIST LEADER SAID SUCH FIGHTING, LIKE THAT BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES LEADER SAID SUCH FIGHTING, LIKE THAT BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES IN IRAQ OR CATHOLICS AND THAT BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES IN IRAQ OR CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS IN NORTHERN IRELAND, IN IRAQ OR CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS IN NORTHERN IRELAND, IS MOTIVATED BY POLITICAL AND PROTESTANTS IN NORTHERN IRELAND, IS MOTIVATED BY POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FACTORS, NOT RELIGION.

IS MOTIVATED BY POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FACTORS, NOT RELIGION.

HE SAID ALL THE MAJOR FAITH ECONOMIC FACTORS, NOT RELIGION.

HE SAID ALL THE MAJOR FAITH TRADITIONS HAVE A MESSAGE OF HE SAID ALL THE MAJOR FAITH TRADITIONS HAVE A MESSAGE OF PEACE.

TRADITIONS HAVE A MESSAGE OF PEACE.

>>> DESPITE THAT MESSAGE, THERE PEACE.

>>> DESPITE THAT MESSAGE, THERE WERE SEVERAL NEW OUTBREAKS OF >>> DESPITE THAT MESSAGE, THERE WERE SEVERAL NEW OUTBREAKS OF INTERFAITH VIOLENCE AROUND THE WERE SEVERAL NEW OUTBREAKS OF INTERFAITH VIOLENCE AROUND THE WORLD THIS WEEK.

INTERFAITH VIOLENCE AROUND THE WORLD THIS WEEK.

IN NIGERIA, AT LEAST TEN PEOPLE WORLD THIS WEEK.

IN NIGERIA, AT LEAST TEN PEOPLE DIED IN AN ATTACK ON A CHURCH IN NIGERIA, AT LEAST TEN PEOPLE DIED IN AN ATTACK ON A CHURCH AND A NEARBY MARKET, THE LATEST DIED IN AN ATTACK ON A CHURCH AND A NEARBY MARKET, THE LATEST IN A LONG SERIES OF ATTACKS BY AND A NEARBY MARKET, THE LATEST IN A LONG SERIES OF ATTACKS BY ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS WHO OFTEN IN A LONG SERIES OF ATTACKS BY ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS WHO OFTEN TARGET CHRISTIANS.

ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS WHO OFTEN TARGET CHRISTIANS.

IN TANZANIA, AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE TARGET CHRISTIANS.

IN TANZANIA, AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND DOZENS INJURED IN TANZANIA, AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND DOZENS INJURED IN A BOMBING DURING THE WERE KILLED AND DOZENS INJURED IN A BOMBING DURING THE DEDICATION OF A NEW CATHOLIC IN A BOMBING DURING THE DEDICATION OF A NEW CATHOLIC CHURCH.

DEDICATION OF A NEW CATHOLIC CHURCH.

AND IN BANGLADESH, AT LEAST 22 CHURCH.

AND IN BANGLADESH, AT LEAST 22 DIED IN CLASHES BETWEEN POLICE AND IN BANGLADESH, AT LEAST 22 DIED IN CLASHES BETWEEN POLICE AND MUSLIMS WHO WERE RALLYING IN DIED IN CLASHES BETWEEN POLICE AND MUSLIMS WHO WERE RALLYING IN SUPPORT OF ANTI-BLASPHEMY LAWS.

AND MUSLIMS WHO WERE RALLYING IN SUPPORT OF ANTI-BLASPHEMY LAWS.

>>> RISING ATTACKS AGAINST SUPPORT OF ANTI-BLASPHEMY LAWS.

>>> RISING ATTACKS AGAINST CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT WAS A MAJOR >>> RISING ATTACKS AGAINST CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT WAS A MAJOR TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AS COPTIC CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT WAS A MAJOR TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AS COPTIC POPE TAWADROS II MET WITH ROMAN TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AS COPTIC POPE TAWADROS II MET WITH ROMAN CATHOLIC POPE FRANCIS AT THE POPE TAWADROS II MET WITH ROMAN CATHOLIC POPE FRANCIS AT THE VATICAN FRIDAY.

CATHOLIC POPE FRANCIS AT THE VATICAN FRIDAY.

IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN VATICAN FRIDAY.

IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS THAT A COPTIC POPE HAS IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS THAT A COPTIC POPE HAS VISITED THE HOLY SEE.

40 YEARS THAT A COPTIC POPE HAS VISITED THE HOLY SEE.

TAWADROS HAS SHARPLY CRITICIZED VISITED THE HOLY SEE.

TAWADROS HAS SHARPLY CRITICIZED MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD GOVERNMENT TAWADROS HAS SHARPLY CRITICIZED MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD GOVERNMENT LEADERS IN EGYPT FOR NOT DOING MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD GOVERNMENT LEADERS IN EGYPT FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE COPTIC LEADERS IN EGYPT FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE COPTIC COMMUNITY THERE.

ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE COPTIC COMMUNITY THERE.

>>> IN ISRAEL, POLICE DETAINED COMMUNITY THERE.

>>> IN ISRAEL, POLICE DETAINED THE HIGHEST-RANKING MUSLIM >>> IN ISRAEL, POLICE DETAINED THE HIGHEST-RANKING MUSLIM CLERIC IN THE HOLY LAND FOR THE HIGHEST-RANKING MUSLIM CLERIC IN THE HOLY LAND FOR SEVERAL HOURS THIS WEEK AMID CLERIC IN THE HOLY LAND FOR SEVERAL HOURS THIS WEEK AMID ONGOING TENSIONS OVER THE MOST SEVERAL HOURS THIS WEEK AMID ONGOING TENSIONS OVER THE MOST DISPUTED RELIGIOUS SITE IN ONGOING TENSIONS OVER THE MOST DISPUTED RELIGIOUS SITE IN JERUSALEM.

DISPUTED RELIGIOUS SITE IN JERUSALEM.

ISRAELI OFFICIALS SAID THEY JERUSALEM.

ISRAELI OFFICIALS SAID THEY QUESTIONED THE GRAND MUFTI OF ISRAELI OFFICIALS SAID THEY QUESTIONED THE GRAND MUFTI OF JERUSALEM, SHEIKH MOHAMMED QUESTIONED THE GRAND MUFTI OF JERUSALEM, SHEIKH MOHAMMED HUSSEIN, ABOUT RECENT VIOLENCE JERUSALEM, SHEIKH MOHAMMED HUSSEIN, ABOUT RECENT VIOLENCE NEAR THE AL- AQSA MOSQUE, WHICH HUSSEIN, ABOUT RECENT VIOLENCE NEAR THE AL- AQSA MOSQUE, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE SITE JEWS NEAR THE AL- AQSA MOSQUE, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE SITE JEWS REVERE AS THE TEMPLE MOUNT.

IS LOCATED ON THE SITE JEWS REVERE AS THE TEMPLE MOUNT.

THE MUFTI WAS RELEASED WITHOUT REVERE AS THE TEMPLE MOUNT.

THE MUFTI WAS RELEASED WITHOUT CHARGE.

THE MUFTI WAS RELEASED WITHOUT CHARGE.

>>> DELEGATES TO THE WORLD CHARGE.

>>> DELEGATES TO THE WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS MEETING IN >>> DELEGATES TO THE WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS MEETING IN HUNGARY THIS WEEK RAISED JEWISH CONGRESS MEETING IN HUNGARY THIS WEEK RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE RAPID RISE OF HUNGARY THIS WEEK RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE RAPID RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN MANY PARTS OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE RAPID RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN MANY PARTS OF EUROPE.

ANTI-SEMITISM IN MANY PARTS OF EUROPE.

THEY CALLED ON EUROPEAN EUROPE.

THEY CALLED ON EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS TO CRACK DOWN THEY CALLED ON EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS TO CRACK DOWN AGAINST FAR-RIGHT, NEONAZI GOVERNMENTS TO CRACK DOWN AGAINST FAR-RIGHT, NEONAZI PARTIES THAT PROMOTE ANTI-JEWISH AGAINST FAR-RIGHT, NEONAZI PARTIES THAT PROMOTE ANTI-JEWISH RHETORIC.

PARTIES THAT PROMOTE ANTI-JEWISH RHETORIC.

>>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON RHETORIC.

>>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON REPORT NOW ON THE LARGE NUMBER >>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON REPORT NOW ON THE LARGE NUMBER OF ULTRA ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS REPORT NOW ON THE LARGE NUMBER OF ULTRA ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS LIVING IN TIGHTLY KNIT OF ULTRA ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS LIVING IN TIGHTLY KNIT COMMUNITIES IN AND AROUND NEW LIVING IN TIGHTLY KNIT COMMUNITIES IN AND AROUND NEW YORK CITY.

COMMUNITIES IN AND AROUND NEW YORK CITY.

MOST OF THESE HASIDIM ARE YORK CITY.

MOST OF THESE HASIDIM ARE CONTENT WITH THE PIETY AND MOST OF THESE HASIDIM ARE CONTENT WITH THE PIETY AND TRADITIONS OF THE LIVES INTO CONTENT WITH THE PIETY AND TRADITIONS OF THE LIVES INTO WHICH THEY WERE BORN, BUT SOME TRADITIONS OF THE LIVES INTO WHICH THEY WERE BORN, BUT SOME CHOOSE TO LEAVE, OFTEN AT A HIGH WHICH THEY WERE BORN, BUT SOME CHOOSE TO LEAVE, OFTEN AT A HIGH EMOTIONAL PRICE.

CHOOSE TO LEAVE, OFTEN AT A HIGH EMOTIONAL PRICE.

>> Reporter: THEY LIVE EMOTIONAL PRICE.

>> Reporter: THEY LIVE CONSPICUOUSLY PIOUS LIVES IN A >> Reporter: THEY LIVE CONSPICUOUSLY PIOUS LIVES IN A SECULAR WORLD, ESPECIALLY IN CONSPICUOUSLY PIOUS LIVES IN A SECULAR WORLD, ESPECIALLY IN ENCLAVES AND SUBURBS OF NEW SECULAR WORLD, ESPECIALLY IN ENCLAVES AND SUBURBS OF NEW YORK.

ENCLAVES AND SUBURBS OF NEW YORK.

ULTRA ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS YORK.

ULTRA ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS OBSERVE THE STRICT RULES OF THE ULTRA ORTHODOX HASIDIC JEWS OBSERVE THE STRICT RULES OF THE TORAH, THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF OBSERVE THE STRICT RULES OF THE TORAH, THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF THE HEBREW BIBLE, AND ITS 613 TORAH, THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF THE HEBREW BIBLE, AND ITS 613 COMMANDMENTS.

THE HEBREW BIBLE, AND ITS 613 COMMANDMENTS.

THEIR STRUCTURED LIFESTYLE SEEMS COMMANDMENTS.

THEIR STRUCTURED LIFESTYLE SEEMS TO WORK FOR THE MAJORITY.

THEIR STRUCTURED LIFESTYLE SEEMS TO WORK FOR THE MAJORITY.

BUT, FOR SOME, THE LACK OF TO WORK FOR THE MAJORITY.

BUT, FOR SOME, THE LACK OF CHOICES IS TOO RIGID, SO THEY BUT, FOR SOME, THE LACK OF CHOICES IS TOO RIGID, SO THEY CHOOSE TO LEAVE, EVEN THOUGH CHOICES IS TOO RIGID, SO THEY CHOOSE TO LEAVE, EVEN THOUGH DOING SO CAN BE VERY PAINFUL.

CHOOSE TO LEAVE, EVEN THOUGH DOING SO CAN BE VERY PAINFUL.

HASIDIC GROUPS REMAIN SOME OF DOING SO CAN BE VERY PAINFUL.

HASIDIC GROUPS REMAIN SOME OF THE MOST INSULAR RELIGIOUS SECTS HASIDIC GROUPS REMAIN SOME OF THE MOST INSULAR RELIGIOUS SECTS IN THE U.S. SOL FEUERWERKER THE MOST INSULAR RELIGIOUS SECTS IN THE U.S. SOL FEUERWERKER KNOWS, HE WAS ONE OF THEM.

IN THE U.S. SOL FEUERWERKER KNOWS, HE WAS ONE OF THEM.

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT SURPRISES KNOWS, HE WAS ONE OF THEM.

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT SURPRISES MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MOST >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT SURPRISES MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MOST OUTSIDERS, IS THAT HOW CAN MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MOST OUTSIDERS, IS THAT HOW CAN SOMETHING THIS INSULAR BE OUTSIDERS, IS THAT HOW CAN SOMETHING THIS INSULAR BE HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN THE SOMETHING THIS INSULAR BE HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEW YORK CITY.

HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEW YORK CITY.

YOU KNOW, AS I'VE MOVED FARTHER MIDDLE OF NEW YORK CITY.

YOU KNOW, AS I'VE MOVED FARTHER AWAY FROM IT, IT KIND OF SHOCKS YOU KNOW, AS I'VE MOVED FARTHER AWAY FROM IT, IT KIND OF SHOCKS ME TOO ACTUALLY.

AWAY FROM IT, IT KIND OF SHOCKS ME TOO ACTUALLY.

>> WHEN I TELL PEOPLE THAT I ME TOO ACTUALLY.

>> WHEN I TELL PEOPLE THAT I GREW UP 30 MILES NORTH OF NEW >> WHEN I TELL PEOPLE THAT I GREW UP 30 MILES NORTH OF NEW YORK, THAT I WENT INTO THE CITY GREW UP 30 MILES NORTH OF NEW YORK, THAT I WENT INTO THE CITY AND I HAD NEVER SEEN A MOVIE YORK, THAT I WENT INTO THE CITY AND I HAD NEVER SEEN A MOVIE BEFORE I WAS IN MY 20s, THEY AND I HAD NEVER SEEN A MOVIE BEFORE I WAS IN MY 20s, THEY THINK I'M INSANE.

BEFORE I WAS IN MY 20s, THEY THINK I'M INSANE.

>> Reporter: CHANI GETTER GREW THINK I'M INSANE.

>> Reporter: CHANI GETTER GREW UP, MARRIED AND HAD THREE >> Reporter: CHANI GETTER GREW UP, MARRIED AND HAD THREE CHILDREN BEFORE SHE BROKE AWAY UP, MARRIED AND HAD THREE CHILDREN BEFORE SHE BROKE AWAY FROM HER HASIDIC COMMUNITY.

CHILDREN BEFORE SHE BROKE AWAY FROM HER HASIDIC COMMUNITY.

THOSE WHO LEAVE HASIDISM PAINT A FROM HER HASIDIC COMMUNITY.

THOSE WHO LEAVE HASIDISM PAINT A PICTURE OF A VERY PURITANICAL THOSE WHO LEAVE HASIDISM PAINT A PICTURE OF A VERY PURITANICAL AND SHELTERED WAY OF LIFE.

PICTURE OF A VERY PURITANICAL AND SHELTERED WAY OF LIFE.

>> WHEN I LEFT, I MOVED INTO MY AND SHELTERED WAY OF LIFE.

>> WHEN I LEFT, I MOVED INTO MY OWN APARTMENT AND I STARTED >> WHEN I LEFT, I MOVED INTO MY OWN APARTMENT AND I STARTED DRIVING, AND AS A WOMAN WHO WAS OWN APARTMENT AND I STARTED DRIVING, AND AS A WOMAN WHO WAS DRIVING, MY PARENTS DISOWNED ME.

DRIVING, AND AS A WOMAN WHO WAS DRIVING, MY PARENTS DISOWNED ME.

IN OUR SECT, WOMEN DID NOT DRIVING, MY PARENTS DISOWNED ME.

IN OUR SECT, WOMEN DID NOT DRIVE.

IN OUR SECT, WOMEN DID NOT DRIVE.

AND SO, FOR EIGHT YEARS, THEY DRIVE.

AND SO, FOR EIGHT YEARS, THEY DIDN'T TALK TO ME.

>> Reporter: IN HEBREW, THE WORD >> Reporter: IN HEBREW, THE WORD HASIDIM TRANSLATES TO MEAN THE >> Reporter: IN HEBREW, THE WORD HASIDIM TRANSLATES TO MEAN THE "PIOUS ONES."

HASIDIM TRANSLATES TO MEAN THE "PIOUS ONES."

THEY ARE DEFINED BY THEIR "PIOUS ONES."

THEY ARE DEFINED BY THEIR DEVOTION TO A HEREDITARY LEADER THEY ARE DEFINED BY THEIR DEVOTION TO A HEREDITARY LEADER KNOWN AS THE "REBBE", BY THEIR DEVOTION TO A HEREDITARY LEADER KNOWN AS THE "REBBE", BY THEIR DISTINCTIVE CLOTHING AND YIDDISH KNOWN AS THE "REBBE", BY THEIR DISTINCTIVE CLOTHING AND YIDDISH LANGUAGE.

DISTINCTIVE CLOTHING AND YIDDISH LANGUAGE.

PROFESSOR SAMUEL HEILMAN IS A LANGUAGE.

PROFESSOR SAMUEL HEILMAN IS A JEWISH SCHOLAR AT QUEENS PROFESSOR SAMUEL HEILMAN IS A JEWISH SCHOLAR AT QUEENS COLLEGE.

JEWISH SCHOLAR AT QUEENS COLLEGE.

>> THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THAT COLLEGE.

>> THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THAT MAKES UP A CULTURE, SOCIAL >> THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THAT MAKES UP A CULTURE, SOCIAL NORMS, LANGUAGE, A CAREER MAKES UP A CULTURE, SOCIAL NORMS, LANGUAGE, A CAREER PATTERN IN LIFE.

NORMS, LANGUAGE, A CAREER PATTERN IN LIFE.

EVEN THE ONES WHO LEAVE SAY THAT PATTERN IN LIFE.

EVEN THE ONES WHO LEAVE SAY THAT THERE ARE ASPECTS OF THEIR LIVES EVEN THE ONES WHO LEAVE SAY THAT THERE ARE ASPECTS OF THEIR LIVES THAT THEY LEFT BEHIND THAT THEY THERE ARE ASPECTS OF THEIR LIVES THAT THEY LEFT BEHIND THAT THEY MISS.

THAT THEY LEFT BEHIND THAT THEY MISS.

TO GO TO A HASIDIC GATHERING AND MISS.

TO GO TO A HASIDIC GATHERING AND TO SING THE SONGS AND TO DANCE TO GO TO A HASIDIC GATHERING AND TO SING THE SONGS AND TO DANCE IN THE CIRCLE AND TO BE ENFOLDED TO SING THE SONGS AND TO DANCE IN THE CIRCLE AND TO BE ENFOLDED INTO THE COMMUNITY, AND TO HEAR IN THE CIRCLE AND TO BE ENFOLDED INTO THE COMMUNITY, AND TO HEAR YOUR VOICE IN A CHORUS OF OTHER INTO THE COMMUNITY, AND TO HEAR YOUR VOICE IN A CHORUS OF OTHER VOICES.

YOUR VOICE IN A CHORUS OF OTHER VOICES.

THIS IS A TREMENDOUSLY EXCITING VOICES.

THIS IS A TREMENDOUSLY EXCITING EXPERIENCE.

THIS IS A TREMENDOUSLY EXCITING EXPERIENCE.

AND WHEN YOU LEAVE AND YOU'RE EXPERIENCE.

AND WHEN YOU LEAVE AND YOU'RE ALL ALONE, ALL ALONE IN THE AND WHEN YOU LEAVE AND YOU'RE ALL ALONE, ALL ALONE IN THE CITY.

ALL ALONE, ALL ALONE IN THE CITY.

>> Reporter: PROFESSOR HEILMAN CITY.

>> Reporter: PROFESSOR HEILMAN SAYS THERE ARE AS MANY AS >> Reporter: PROFESSOR HEILMAN SAYS THERE ARE AS MANY AS 350,000 HASIDIC ORTHODOX IN THE SAYS THERE ARE AS MANY AS 350,000 HASIDIC ORTHODOX IN THE U.S. AND CANADA, AND AN EVEN 350,000 HASIDIC ORTHODOX IN THE U.S. AND CANADA, AND AN EVEN LARGER POPULATION IN ISRAEL.

U.S. AND CANADA, AND AN EVEN LARGER POPULATION IN ISRAEL.

AND THE NUMBERS ARE INCREASING LARGER POPULATION IN ISRAEL.

AND THE NUMBERS ARE INCREASING FAST, HE SAYS, BECAUSE HASIDISM AND THE NUMBERS ARE INCREASING FAST, HE SAYS, BECAUSE HASIDISM STRONGLY ENCOURAGES VERY LARGE FAST, HE SAYS, BECAUSE HASIDISM STRONGLY ENCOURAGES VERY LARGE FAMILIES.

STRONGLY ENCOURAGES VERY LARGE FAMILIES.

>> THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN BIRTH FAMILIES.

>> THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN BIRTH CONTROL.

>> THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN BIRTH CONTROL.

THEY BELIEVE THAT THE CONTROL.

THEY BELIEVE THAT THE COMMANDMENT OF "BE FRUITFUL AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THE COMMANDMENT OF "BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY" IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL COMMANDMENT OF "BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY" IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL JEWISH PEOPLE AND THEY PRACTICE MULTIPLY" IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL JEWISH PEOPLE AND THEY PRACTICE IT.

JEWISH PEOPLE AND THEY PRACTICE IT.

NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE LARGE IT.

NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE LARGE FAMILIES BUT THEY ARE THE NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE LARGE FAMILIES BUT THEY ARE THE POOREST OF ALL JEWS BECAUSE THEY FAMILIES BUT THEY ARE THE POOREST OF ALL JEWS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GO TO COLLEGE, SO THEY POOREST OF ALL JEWS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GO TO COLLEGE, SO THEY LACK OFTEN SOME OF THE SKILLS DON'T GO TO COLLEGE, SO THEY LACK OFTEN SOME OF THE SKILLS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR HIGH LACK OFTEN SOME OF THE SKILLS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR HIGH INCOME.

THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR HIGH INCOME.

THEY ARE ALL LITERATE IN JEWISH INCOME.

THEY ARE ALL LITERATE IN JEWISH EDUCATION, BUT THEIR SECULAR THEY ARE ALL LITERATE IN JEWISH EDUCATION, BUT THEIR SECULAR EDUCATION IS LIMITED.

EDUCATION, BUT THEIR SECULAR EDUCATION IS LIMITED.

THAT IS NOT TO SAY THERE ARE NOT EDUCATION IS LIMITED.

THAT IS NOT TO SAY THERE ARE NOT SOME WHO ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THE THAT IS NOT TO SAY THERE ARE NOT SOME WHO ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THE DIAMOND BUSINESS, ELECTRONICS SOME WHO ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THE DIAMOND BUSINESS, ELECTRONICS BUSINESS, IN TRADING ON WALL DIAMOND BUSINESS, ELECTRONICS BUSINESS, IN TRADING ON WALL STREET.

BUSINESS, IN TRADING ON WALL STREET.

>> Reporter: RELATIVELY FEW STREET.

>> Reporter: RELATIVELY FEW LEAVE, IN PROFESSOR HEILMAN'S >> Reporter: RELATIVELY FEW LEAVE, IN PROFESSOR HEILMAN'S VIEW, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN LEAVE, IN PROFESSOR HEILMAN'S VIEW, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TAUGHT TO SHUN THE SECULAR VIEW, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TAUGHT TO SHUN THE SECULAR WORLD.

TAUGHT TO SHUN THE SECULAR WORLD.

>> THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE WORLD.

>> THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE WORLD OUTSIDE THEIR OWN IS >> THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE WORLD OUTSIDE THEIR OWN IS DEMONIC, CORROSIVE, DANGEROUS, WORLD OUTSIDE THEIR OWN IS DEMONIC, CORROSIVE, DANGEROUS, THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE PART OF DEMONIC, CORROSIVE, DANGEROUS, THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT, THAT THEY LIVE A SUPERIOR THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT, THAT THEY LIVE A SUPERIOR KIND OF LIFE.

IT, THAT THEY LIVE A SUPERIOR KIND OF LIFE.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY KIND OF LIFE.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TEACH YOU IS THAT WE GET TO >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TEACH YOU IS THAT WE GET TO CHOOSE WHAT WE ALLOW OUR EYES TO TEACH YOU IS THAT WE GET TO CHOOSE WHAT WE ALLOW OUR EYES TO SEE.

CHOOSE WHAT WE ALLOW OUR EYES TO SEE.

WE GET TO CHOOSE WHAT WE ALLOW SEE.

WE GET TO CHOOSE WHAT WE ALLOW OUR EARS TO HEAR.

WE GET TO CHOOSE WHAT WE ALLOW OUR EARS TO HEAR.

AND SO WHEN YOU GO INTO THE OUR EARS TO HEAR.

AND SO WHEN YOU GO INTO THE CITY, YOU MAKE A CONSCIOUS AND SO WHEN YOU GO INTO THE CITY, YOU MAKE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE NOT TO ALLOW YOUR EYES TO CITY, YOU MAKE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE NOT TO ALLOW YOUR EYES TO SEE.

CHOICE NOT TO ALLOW YOUR EYES TO SEE.

>> THERE'S THIS WHOLE, LIKE SEE.

>> THERE'S THIS WHOLE, LIKE BELIEF OR NARRATIVE IN THE >> THERE'S THIS WHOLE, LIKE BELIEF OR NARRATIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IF YOU -- IF YOU BELIEF OR NARRATIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IF YOU -- IF YOU TRY TO BREAK AWAY OR CHANGE, YOU COMMUNITY THAT IF YOU -- IF YOU TRY TO BREAK AWAY OR CHANGE, YOU WILL FAIL AND YOU WON'T BE TRY TO BREAK AWAY OR CHANGE, YOU WILL FAIL AND YOU WON'T BE HARDSHIP AND YOU'LL JUST END UP WILL FAIL AND YOU WON'T BE HARDSHIP AND YOU'LL JUST END UP ON DRUGS.

HARDSHIP AND YOU'LL JUST END UP ON DRUGS.

>> Reporter: LANI SANTO IS THE ON DRUGS.

>> Reporter: LANI SANTO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A >> Reporter: LANI SANTO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A NON-PROFIT GROUP CALLED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A NON-PROFIT GROUP CALLED FOOTSTEPS, FOUNDED IN 2003, NOT NON-PROFIT GROUP CALLED FOOTSTEPS, FOUNDED IN 2003, NOT TO PROSELYTIZE BUT TO PROVIDE FOOTSTEPS, FOUNDED IN 2003, NOT TO PROSELYTIZE BUT TO PROVIDE COUNSEL AND SUPPORT TO THOSE WHO TO PROSELYTIZE BUT TO PROVIDE COUNSEL AND SUPPORT TO THOSE WHO WANT TO EXPLORE LIFE OUTSIDE THE COUNSEL AND SUPPORT TO THOSE WHO WANT TO EXPLORE LIFE OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF THE WORLD IN WHICH WANT TO EXPLORE LIFE OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF THE WORLD IN WHICH THEY WERE RAISED.

CONFINES OF THE WORLD IN WHICH THEY WERE RAISED.

THEY'VE ASSISTED OVER THEY WERE RAISED.

THEY'VE ASSISTED OVER 700 ALTOGETHER SO FAR, A THEY'VE ASSISTED OVER 700 ALTOGETHER SO FAR, A MAJORITY ARE YOUNG MEN.

700 ALTOGETHER SO FAR, A MAJORITY ARE YOUNG MEN.

>> I MEAN MY MOTHER STILL HASN'T MAJORITY ARE YOUNG MEN.

>> I MEAN MY MOTHER STILL HASN'T CALLED ME.

>> I MEAN MY MOTHER STILL HASN'T CALLED ME.

MY MOTHER HASN'T SPOKEN TO ME CALLED ME.

MY MOTHER HASN'T SPOKEN TO ME THIS WHOLE TIME.

MY MOTHER HASN'T SPOKEN TO ME THIS WHOLE TIME.

>> WE ARE SEEING A LOT MORE, THIS WHOLE TIME.

>> WE ARE SEEING A LOT MORE, JUST IN THIS YEAR ALONE, WE'VE >> WE ARE SEEING A LOT MORE, JUST IN THIS YEAR ALONE, WE'VE SEEN A 60% INCREASE IN OUR JUST IN THIS YEAR ALONE, WE'VE SEEN A 60% INCREASE IN OUR MEMBERSHIP AND IN NEW PEOPLE SEEN A 60% INCREASE IN OUR MEMBERSHIP AND IN NEW PEOPLE COMING TO US, AND THAT'S MEMBERSHIP AND IN NEW PEOPLE COMING TO US, AND THAT'S COMPARED TO A 35% INCREASE THAT COMING TO US, AND THAT'S COMPARED TO A 35% INCREASE THAT WE'VE BEEN ON FOR THE LAST FEW COMPARED TO A 35% INCREASE THAT WE'VE BEEN ON FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN ON FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

>> Reporter: IN THE PAST, IT WAS YEARS.

>> Reporter: IN THE PAST, IT WAS EASIER TO SHELTER THOSE IN >> Reporter: IN THE PAST, IT WAS EASIER TO SHELTER THOSE IN ULTRA- RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES EASIER TO SHELTER THOSE IN ULTRA- RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD.

ULTRA- RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD.

TELEVISION, MAGAZINES, RADIO, FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD.

TELEVISION, MAGAZINES, RADIO, EVEN LIBRARIES WERE OFF LIMITS.

TELEVISION, MAGAZINES, RADIO, EVEN LIBRARIES WERE OFF LIMITS.

THEN ALONG CAME THE INTERNET.

EVEN LIBRARIES WERE OFF LIMITS.

THEN ALONG CAME THE INTERNET.

>> THE INTERNET IS A REAL THEN ALONG CAME THE INTERNET.

>> THE INTERNET IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR THEM.

>> THE INTERNET IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR THEM.

THERE HAS BEEN -- THERE HAVE PROBLEM FOR THEM.

THERE HAS BEEN -- THERE HAVE BEEN EFFORTS, FOR EXAMPLE THERE THERE HAS BEEN -- THERE HAVE BEEN EFFORTS, FOR EXAMPLE THERE WAS A RECENT GATHERING AT CITI BEEN EFFORTS, FOR EXAMPLE THERE WAS A RECENT GATHERING AT CITI FIELD HERE IN NEW YORK THAT WAS WAS A RECENT GATHERING AT CITI FIELD HERE IN NEW YORK THAT WAS AGAINST THE INTERNET.

FIELD HERE IN NEW YORK THAT WAS AGAINST THE INTERNET.

BUT IT'S A CASE OF TRYING TO AGAINST THE INTERNET.

BUT IT'S A CASE OF TRYING TO CLOSE THE BARN AFTER THE HORSES BUT IT'S A CASE OF TRYING TO CLOSE THE BARN AFTER THE HORSES ARE OUT.

CLOSE THE BARN AFTER THE HORSES ARE OUT.

>> Reporter: LANI SANTO SAYS ARE OUT.

>> Reporter: LANI SANTO SAYS THOSE WHO DO LEAVE SUFFER >> Reporter: LANI SANTO SAYS THOSE WHO DO LEAVE SUFFER SERIOUS BOUTS OF LONELINESS AND THOSE WHO DO LEAVE SUFFER SERIOUS BOUTS OF LONELINESS AND GUILT.

SERIOUS BOUTS OF LONELINESS AND GUILT.

>> IT'S MORE ABOUT GUILT IN GUILT.

>> IT'S MORE ABOUT GUILT IN TERMS OF IMPACTING THEIR >> IT'S MORE ABOUT GUILT IN TERMS OF IMPACTING THEIR FAMILIES.

TERMS OF IMPACTING THEIR FAMILIES.

IF THEY HAVE YOUNGER SIBLINGS, FAMILIES.

IF THEY HAVE YOUNGER SIBLINGS, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LEAVING IS IF THEY HAVE YOUNGER SIBLINGS, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LEAVING IS PUTTING AT RISK THE MARRIAGE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LEAVING IS PUTTING AT RISK THE MARRIAGE PROSPECTS FOR THEIR YOUNGER PUTTING AT RISK THE MARRIAGE PROSPECTS FOR THEIR YOUNGER SIBLINGS AND THAT'S A REAL PROSPECTS FOR THEIR YOUNGER SIBLINGS AND THAT'S A REAL CHALLENGE.

SIBLINGS AND THAT'S A REAL CHALLENGE.

>> MARRIAGE IS CRITICAL.

CHALLENGE.

>> MARRIAGE IS CRITICAL.

AND IT'S ALL BY MATCHMAKING.

>> MARRIAGE IS CRITICAL.

AND IT'S ALL BY MATCHMAKING.

FINDING SINGLE PEOPLE IN THIS AND IT'S ALL BY MATCHMAKING.

FINDING SINGLE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY IS RARE, AND IF FINDING SINGLE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY IS RARE, AND IF THEY'RE SINGLE THEN IT MEANS COMMUNITY IS RARE, AND IF THEY'RE SINGLE THEN IT MEANS THEY'RE PROBLEMATIC, AND THEY'RE SINGLE THEN IT MEANS THEY'RE PROBLEMATIC, AND PROBLEMATIC CAN BE THAT YOU HAVE THEY'RE PROBLEMATIC, AND PROBLEMATIC CAN BE THAT YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN THE FAMILY WHO'S NOT PROBLEMATIC CAN BE THAT YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN THE FAMILY WHO'S NOT ORTHODOX OR THAT THERE'S SOME SOMEONE IN THE FAMILY WHO'S NOT ORTHODOX OR THAT THERE'S SOME MENTAL OR PHYSICAL AILMENT IN ORTHODOX OR THAT THERE'S SOME MENTAL OR PHYSICAL AILMENT IN THE FAMILY, OR THAT THERE ARE -- MENTAL OR PHYSICAL AILMENT IN THE FAMILY, OR THAT THERE ARE -- IT CAN EVEN BE SOMEBODY HAS TOO THE FAMILY, OR THAT THERE ARE -- IT CAN EVEN BE SOMEBODY HAS TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH RED HAIR IN THE IT CAN EVEN BE SOMEBODY HAS TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH RED HAIR IN THE FAMILY.

MANY PEOPLE WITH RED HAIR IN THE FAMILY.

>> ANY MARK OF DIFFERENCE IS A FAMILY.

>> ANY MARK OF DIFFERENCE IS A MARK OF SHAME.

>> ANY MARK OF DIFFERENCE IS A MARK OF SHAME.

SO WHETHER IT'S A MARK OF HAVING MARK OF SHAME.

SO WHETHER IT'S A MARK OF HAVING A CHILD THAT'S LEAVING THE SO WHETHER IT'S A MARK OF HAVING A CHILD THAT'S LEAVING THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S A MARK A CHILD THAT'S LEAVING THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S A MARK OF HAVING A CHILD THAT'S COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S A MARK OF HAVING A CHILD THAT'S SEXUALLY ABUSED OR WHETHER OF HAVING A CHILD THAT'S SEXUALLY ABUSED OR WHETHER THERE'S SOME SORT OF AILMENT IN SEXUALLY ABUSED OR WHETHER THERE'S SOME SORT OF AILMENT IN THE FAMILY, OR SOMEONE WHO'S THERE'S SOME SORT OF AILMENT IN THE FAMILY, OR SOMEONE WHO'S COMMITTED SUICIDE, ALL OF THAT THE FAMILY, OR SOMEONE WHO'S COMMITTED SUICIDE, ALL OF THAT WILL BE COVERED UP.

COMMITTED SUICIDE, ALL OF THAT WILL BE COVERED UP.

>> THE FIRST THING THAT REALLY WILL BE COVERED UP.

>> THE FIRST THING THAT REALLY STRUCK ME WAS THE COURAGE IN THE >> THE FIRST THING THAT REALLY STRUCK ME WAS THE COURAGE IN THE ROOM.

STRUCK ME WAS THE COURAGE IN THE ROOM.

>> Reporter: MICHAEL JENKINS IS ROOM.

>> Reporter: MICHAEL JENKINS IS FOOTSTEPS' SENIOR SOCIAL WORKER.

>> Reporter: MICHAEL JENKINS IS FOOTSTEPS' SENIOR SOCIAL WORKER.

HE SAYS HE'S AMAZED AT THE RISKS FOOTSTEPS' SENIOR SOCIAL WORKER.

HE SAYS HE'S AMAZED AT THE RISKS YOUNG HASIDIM ARE TAKING BY EVEN HE SAYS HE'S AMAZED AT THE RISKS YOUNG HASIDIM ARE TAKING BY EVEN WALKING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR.

YOUNG HASIDIM ARE TAKING BY EVEN WALKING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR.

HE CONDUCTS GROUP THERAPY AND WALKING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR.

HE CONDUCTS GROUP THERAPY AND PRIVATE COUNSELING, SAYS A HE CONDUCTS GROUP THERAPY AND PRIVATE COUNSELING, SAYS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HE MEETS WITH PRIVATE COUNSELING, SAYS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HE MEETS WITH LEAD DUAL AND DEEPLY CONFLICTED NUMBER OF PEOPLE HE MEETS WITH LEAD DUAL AND DEEPLY CONFLICTED LIVES, WITH ONE FOOT IN THEIR LEAD DUAL AND DEEPLY CONFLICTED LIVES, WITH ONE FOOT IN THEIR HASIDIC COMMUNITY AND ONE FOOT LIVES, WITH ONE FOOT IN THEIR HASIDIC COMMUNITY AND ONE FOOT OUT.

HASIDIC COMMUNITY AND ONE FOOT OUT.

>> THERE'S THINGS IN THE OUT.

>> THERE'S THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE, THAT WORK >> THERE'S THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE, THAT WORK FOR ME, FAMILY, FRIENDSHIPS, COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE, THAT WORK FOR ME, FAMILY, FRIENDSHIPS, RELATIONSHIPS.

FOR ME, FAMILY, FRIENDSHIPS, RELATIONSHIPS.

THIS IS WHERE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN RELATIONSHIPS.

THIS IS WHERE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AND THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO BE, THIS IS WHERE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AND THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO BE, YET THERE ARE THINGS THAT I AND THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO BE, YET THERE ARE THINGS THAT I DISAGREE WITH AND I WANT TO BE YET THERE ARE THINGS THAT I DISAGREE WITH AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR DISAGREE WITH AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR EXPRESS THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR EXPRESS THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> I WANT TO BE WHO I WANT TO EXPRESS THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> I WANT TO BE WHO I WANT TO BE.

>> I WANT TO BE WHO I WANT TO BE.

AND IF I FIND GOD, I FIND GOD ON BE.

AND IF I FIND GOD, I FIND GOD ON MY OWN, YOU KNOW?

AND IF I FIND GOD, I FIND GOD ON MY OWN, YOU KNOW?

I DON'T GO ANY MORE ACCORDING TO MY OWN, YOU KNOW?

I DON'T GO ANY MORE ACCORDING TO WHAT I WAS TOLD AS A KID.

I DON'T GO ANY MORE ACCORDING TO WHAT I WAS TOLD AS A KID.

>> Reporter: IN HASIDIC WHAT I WAS TOLD AS A KID.

>> Reporter: IN HASIDIC COMMUNITIES, YOUNG MEN STUDY THE >> Reporter: IN HASIDIC COMMUNITIES, YOUNG MEN STUDY THE TORAH IN HEBREW AT LEAST COMMUNITIES, YOUNG MEN STUDY THE TORAH IN HEBREW AT LEAST SEVEN HOURS A DAY AND SPEND ONLY TORAH IN HEBREW AT LEAST SEVEN HOURS A DAY AND SPEND ONLY ONE HOUR ON SECULAR EDUCATION.

SEVEN HOURS A DAY AND SPEND ONLY ONE HOUR ON SECULAR EDUCATION.

SO THOSE WHO LEAVE ARE WOEFULLY ONE HOUR ON SECULAR EDUCATION.

SO THOSE WHO LEAVE ARE WOEFULLY UNPREPARED TO GO OUT ON THEIR SO THOSE WHO LEAVE ARE WOEFULLY UNPREPARED TO GO OUT ON THEIR OWN.

UNPREPARED TO GO OUT ON THEIR OWN.

SOL WAS 19 WHEN HE BROKE AWAY.

OWN.

SOL WAS 19 WHEN HE BROKE AWAY.

>> WHAT WAS YOUR EDUCATION LEVEL SOL WAS 19 WHEN HE BROKE AWAY.

>> WHAT WAS YOUR EDUCATION LEVEL AT THAT POINT?

>> WHAT WAS YOUR EDUCATION LEVEL AT THAT POINT?

>> IF I HAD TO ESTIMATE IT WOULD AT THAT POINT?

>> IF I HAD TO ESTIMATE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW FOURTH OR >> IF I HAD TO ESTIMATE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW FOURTH OR FIFTH GRADE.

PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW FOURTH OR FIFTH GRADE.

>> Reporter: WAS THAT PRETTY FIFTH GRADE.

>> Reporter: WAS THAT PRETTY STANDARD FOR MOST OF THE MEN OF >> Reporter: WAS THAT PRETTY STANDARD FOR MOST OF THE MEN OF YOUR AGE?

STANDARD FOR MOST OF THE MEN OF YOUR AGE?

>> THAT'S THE THE NORM, YEAH.

YOUR AGE?

>> THAT'S THE THE NORM, YEAH.

AND IN FACT I BELIEVE I WAS >> THAT'S THE THE NORM, YEAH.

AND IN FACT I BELIEVE I WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE AND IN FACT I BELIEVE I WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE ADVANCED THAN SOME OF MY FRIENDS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE ADVANCED THAN SOME OF MY FRIENDS AT THE TIME.

ADVANCED THAN SOME OF MY FRIENDS AT THE TIME.

>> Reporter: ANOTHER CONSEQUENCE AT THE TIME.

>> Reporter: ANOTHER CONSEQUENCE OF THE INSULARITY IS THAT IF A >> Reporter: ANOTHER CONSEQUENCE OF THE INSULARITY IS THAT IF A CRIME IS COMMITTED, IT OFTEN OF THE INSULARITY IS THAT IF A CRIME IS COMMITTED, IT OFTEN GOES UNREPORTED.

CRIME IS COMMITTED, IT OFTEN GOES UNREPORTED.

>> I HAVE MANY FRIENDS, MEN AND GOES UNREPORTED.

>> I HAVE MANY FRIENDS, MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN ABUSED, >> I HAVE MANY FRIENDS, MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN ABUSED, SEXUALLY, PHYSICALLY, WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN ABUSED, SEXUALLY, PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY.

SEXUALLY, PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY.

>> Reporter: SOL IS NOW IN HIS EMOTIONALLY.

>> Reporter: SOL IS NOW IN HIS FOURTH YEAR AS A PRE-MED >> Reporter: SOL IS NOW IN HIS FOURTH YEAR AS A PRE-MED STUDENT.

FOURTH YEAR AS A PRE-MED STUDENT.

HE SAYS IT HASN'T BEEN EASY.

STUDENT.

HE SAYS IT HASN'T BEEN EASY.

SOME OLD FRIENDS SPEAK TO HIM, HE SAYS IT HASN'T BEEN EASY.

SOME OLD FRIENDS SPEAK TO HIM, SOME DON'T.

SOME OLD FRIENDS SPEAK TO HIM, SOME DON'T.

HE SAYS HE HAS A MESSAGE FOR SOME DON'T.

HE SAYS HE HAS A MESSAGE FOR OTHERS WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT HE SAYS HE HAS A MESSAGE FOR OTHERS WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT LEAVING THE SHELTERED WORLD OF OTHERS WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT LEAVING THE SHELTERED WORLD OF HASIDISM.

LEAVING THE SHELTERED WORLD OF HASIDISM.

>> MY POINT IS IT'S CHALLENGING HASIDISM.

>> MY POINT IS IT'S CHALLENGING AND IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY >> MY POINT IS IT'S CHALLENGING AND IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY SCARY AT THE BEGINNING.

AND IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY SCARY AT THE BEGINNING.

BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.

SCARY AT THE BEGINNING.

BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.

>> Reporter: AS THE WORLD BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.

>> Reporter: AS THE WORLD CONTINUES TO SHRINK BECAUSE OF >> Reporter: AS THE WORLD CONTINUES TO SHRINK BECAUSE OF ACCESS TO MODERN TECHNOLOGY, CONTINUES TO SHRINK BECAUSE OF ACCESS TO MODERN TECHNOLOGY, LIKE THE INTERNET, IT'S BECOMING ACCESS TO MODERN TECHNOLOGY, LIKE THE INTERNET, IT'S BECOMING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR LIKE THE INTERNET, IT'S BECOMING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR ANYONE OR ANY GROUP TO SHIELD INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR ANYONE OR ANY GROUP TO SHIELD THEIR FAMILIES FROM THE OUTSIDE ANYONE OR ANY GROUP TO SHIELD THEIR FAMILIES FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD.

THEIR FAMILIES FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS WORLD.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M LUCKY SEVERSON FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M LUCKY SEVERSON IN NEW YORK.

>>> NOW, A SPECIAL REPORT FROM >>> NOW, A SPECIAL REPORT FROM SAN QUENTIN PRISON, IN >>> NOW, A SPECIAL REPORT FROM SAN QUENTIN PRISON, IN CALIFORNIA, WHERE THERE ARE SAN QUENTIN PRISON, IN CALIFORNIA, WHERE THERE ARE 66 SEPARATE PROGRAMS TRYING IN CALIFORNIA, WHERE THERE ARE 66 SEPARATE PROGRAMS TRYING IN VARIOUS WAYS TO HELP CRIMINALS 66 SEPARATE PROGRAMS TRYING IN VARIOUS WAYS TO HELP CRIMINALS DISCOVER AND OVERCOME THE ROOT VARIOUS WAYS TO HELP CRIMINALS DISCOVER AND OVERCOME THE ROOT CAUSES OF THEIR VIOLENCE.

DISCOVER AND OVERCOME THE ROOT CAUSES OF THEIR VIOLENCE.

KATE OLSON REPORTS ON ONE OF CAUSES OF THEIR VIOLENCE.

KATE OLSON REPORTS ON ONE OF THEM, CALLED GRIP, FOR GUIDING KATE OLSON REPORTS ON ONE OF THEM, CALLED GRIP, FOR GUIDING RAGE INTO POWER.

THEM, CALLED GRIP, FOR GUIDING RAGE INTO POWER.

IT'S AN APPARENTLY EFFECTIVE RAGE INTO POWER.

IT'S AN APPARENTLY EFFECTIVE COMBINATION OF GROUP IT'S AN APPARENTLY EFFECTIVE COMBINATION OF GROUP PSYCHOTHERAPY AND THE COMBINATION OF GROUP PSYCHOTHERAPY AND THE CONTEMPLATIVE TRADITIONS OF MANY PSYCHOTHERAPY AND THE CONTEMPLATIVE TRADITIONS OF MANY RELIGIONS.

CONTEMPLATIVE TRADITIONS OF MANY RELIGIONS.

>> Reporter: FOR MOST OF ITS RELIGIONS.

>> Reporter: FOR MOST OF ITS 160 YEAR HISTORY, SAN QUENTIN >> Reporter: FOR MOST OF ITS 160 YEAR HISTORY, SAN QUENTIN HAS BEEN KNOWN AS A TOUGH PLACE 160 YEAR HISTORY, SAN QUENTIN HAS BEEN KNOWN AS A TOUGH PLACE TO DO HARD TIME.

HAS BEEN KNOWN AS A TOUGH PLACE TO DO HARD TIME.

BUT OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES, TO DO HARD TIME.

BUT OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES, THIS HAS BEGUN TO CHANGE.

BUT OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES, THIS HAS BEGUN TO CHANGE.

THANKS TO THOUSANDS OF ENGAGED THIS HAS BEGUN TO CHANGE.

THANKS TO THOUSANDS OF ENGAGED CITIZENS IN THE SURROUNDING THANKS TO THOUSANDS OF ENGAGED CITIZENS IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, A GROWING NUMBER OF CITIZENS IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, A GROWING NUMBER OF INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS AIMED AT COMMUNITY, A GROWING NUMBER OF INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS AIMED AT REDUCING VIOLENCE AND RECIDIVISM INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS AIMED AT REDUCING VIOLENCE AND RECIDIVISM ARE HAVING AN IMPACT.

REDUCING VIOLENCE AND RECIDIVISM ARE HAVING AN IMPACT.

ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS WAS ARE HAVING AN IMPACT.

ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS WAS STARTED BY THIS MAN, JACQUES ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS WAS STARTED BY THIS MAN, JACQUES VERDUIN.

STARTED BY THIS MAN, JACQUES VERDUIN.

>> THERE'S A GROWING ALIENATION VERDUIN.

>> THERE'S A GROWING ALIENATION AND A LACK OF SENSE OF BELONGING >> THERE'S A GROWING ALIENATION AND A LACK OF SENSE OF BELONGING FOR MOST PEOPLE IN SOCIETY.

AND A LACK OF SENSE OF BELONGING FOR MOST PEOPLE IN SOCIETY.

IT SEEMED THAT NOWHERE ELSE FOR MOST PEOPLE IN SOCIETY.

IT SEEMED THAT NOWHERE ELSE STRONGER THAN IN OUR PRISON IT SEEMED THAT NOWHERE ELSE STRONGER THAN IN OUR PRISON SYSTEM HAD WE TURNED OUR BACKS STRONGER THAN IN OUR PRISON SYSTEM HAD WE TURNED OUR BACKS ON EACH OTHER.

SYSTEM HAD WE TURNED OUR BACKS ON EACH OTHER.

>> Reporter: A PSYCHOLOGIST WHO ON EACH OTHER.

>> Reporter: A PSYCHOLOGIST WHO HAS PRACTICED MEDITATION FOR >> Reporter: A PSYCHOLOGIST WHO HAS PRACTICED MEDITATION FOR MANY YEARS, VERDUIN CREATED A HAS PRACTICED MEDITATION FOR MANY YEARS, VERDUIN CREATED A PROGRAM CALLED GRIP—GUIDING RAGE MANY YEARS, VERDUIN CREATED A PROGRAM CALLED GRIP—GUIDING RAGE INTO POWER.

PROGRAM CALLED GRIP—GUIDING RAGE INTO POWER.

THE YEAR-LONG INITIATIVE SEEKS INTO POWER.

THE YEAR-LONG INITIATIVE SEEKS TO HELP PRISONERS ADDRESS THE THE YEAR-LONG INITIATIVE SEEKS TO HELP PRISONERS ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF THEIR VIOLENT TO HELP PRISONERS ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF THEIR VIOLENT BEHAVIOR AND MAKE THE JOURNEY OF ROOT CAUSES OF THEIR VIOLENT BEHAVIOR AND MAKE THE JOURNEY OF TRANSFORMATION FROM VIOLENT BEHAVIOR AND MAKE THE JOURNEY OF TRANSFORMATION FROM VIOLENT OFFENDER TO PEACEMAKER, FROM THE TRANSFORMATION FROM VIOLENT OFFENDER TO PEACEMAKER, FROM THE INSIDE OUT.

OFFENDER TO PEACEMAKER, FROM THE INSIDE OUT.

>> IS HOME JUST FOUR WALLS AND A INSIDE OUT.

>> IS HOME JUST FOUR WALLS AND A ROOF ON THE OUTSIDE?

>> IS HOME JUST FOUR WALLS AND A ROOF ON THE OUTSIDE?

OR IS IT A STATE OF MIND AS ROOF ON THE OUTSIDE?

OR IS IT A STATE OF MIND AS WELL?

OR IS IT A STATE OF MIND AS WELL?

CAN YOU GO HOME BEFORE YOU WELL?

CAN YOU GO HOME BEFORE YOU LEAVE?

CAN YOU GO HOME BEFORE YOU LEAVE?

CAN YOU LEAVE PRISON BEFORE YOU LEAVE?

CAN YOU LEAVE PRISON BEFORE YOU GET OUT?

CAN YOU LEAVE PRISON BEFORE YOU GET OUT?

>> THE REALITY IS THAT THE GET OUT?

>> THE REALITY IS THAT THE PAROLE BOARD DOES NOT GRANT >> THE REALITY IS THAT THE PAROLE BOARD DOES NOT GRANT PAROLE VERY EASILY.

PAROLE BOARD DOES NOT GRANT PAROLE VERY EASILY.

SO FOR MANY OF THEM THEY DON'T PAROLE VERY EASILY.

SO FOR MANY OF THEM THEY DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHEN THEY WILL GET SO FOR MANY OF THEM THEY DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHEN THEY WILL GET OUT OF PRISON.

ACTUALLY KNOW WHEN THEY WILL GET OUT OF PRISON.

AND I THINK WHAT THE GRIP OUT OF PRISON.

AND I THINK WHAT THE GRIP PROGRAM HAS DONE IS OFFERED THEM AND I THINK WHAT THE GRIP PROGRAM HAS DONE IS OFFERED THEM A WAY TO NOT BE TRAPPED BY THAT, PROGRAM HAS DONE IS OFFERED THEM A WAY TO NOT BE TRAPPED BY THAT, TO REALIZE THAT THEY'RE LIVING A WAY TO NOT BE TRAPPED BY THAT, TO REALIZE THAT THEY'RE LIVING THEIR LIVES NOW, THAT THEY'RE TO REALIZE THAT THEY'RE LIVING THEIR LIVES NOW, THAT THEY'RE STILL PART OF A COMMUNITY.

THEIR LIVES NOW, THAT THEY'RE STILL PART OF A COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT THE COMMUNITY OUTSIDE STILL PART OF A COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT THE COMMUNITY OUTSIDE THE PRISON BUT IT'S THE IT'S NOT THE COMMUNITY OUTSIDE THE PRISON BUT IT'S THE COMMUNITY INSIDE THE PRISON.

THE PRISON BUT IT'S THE COMMUNITY INSIDE THE PRISON.

>> Reporter: ELIZABETH SIGGINS, COMMUNITY INSIDE THE PRISON.

>> Reporter: ELIZABETH SIGGINS, WHO VISITED SAN QUENTIN THE DAY >> Reporter: ELIZABETH SIGGINS, WHO VISITED SAN QUENTIN THE DAY WE WERE THERE, IS A SENIOR WHO VISITED SAN QUENTIN THE DAY WE WERE THERE, IS A SENIOR POLICY ADVISER IN THE DEPARTMENT WE WERE THERE, IS A SENIOR POLICY ADVISER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND POLICY ADVISER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND REHABILITATION FOR THE STATE OF OF CORRECTIONS AND REHABILITATION FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

REHABILITATION FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

>> WHEN YOU WORK IN A PRISON CALIFORNIA.

>> WHEN YOU WORK IN A PRISON SYSTEM, YOU DON'T THINK THAT >> WHEN YOU WORK IN A PRISON SYSTEM, YOU DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO SIT IN A SYSTEM, YOU DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO SIT IN A GROUP OF OFFENDERS AND CLOSE YOU'RE GOING TO GO SIT IN A GROUP OF OFFENDERS AND CLOSE YOUR EYES.

GROUP OF OFFENDERS AND CLOSE YOUR EYES.

AND WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE YOUR EYES.

AND WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE TODAY I THOUGHT, I FEEL SAFE.

AND WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE TODAY I THOUGHT, I FEEL SAFE.

>> Reporter: CREATING THIS SAFE TODAY I THOUGHT, I FEEL SAFE.

>> Reporter: CREATING THIS SAFE ENVIRONMENT IS THE >> Reporter: CREATING THIS SAFE ENVIRONMENT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRISONERS ENVIRONMENT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRISONERS WHO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROGRAM RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRISONERS WHO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROGRAM BELONGS TO THEM.

WHO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROGRAM BELONGS TO THEM.

>> MY NAME IS ROBIN, AND I'M A BELONGS TO THEM.

>> MY NAME IS ROBIN, AND I'M A PEACEMAKER.

>> MY NAME IS ROBIN, AND I'M A PEACEMAKER.

>> Reporter: FELLOW INMATES, PEACEMAKER.

>> Reporter: FELLOW INMATES, LIKE ROBIN GUILLEN, WHO ARE >> Reporter: FELLOW INMATES, LIKE ROBIN GUILLEN, WHO ARE GRADUATES OF THE PROGRAM, GUIDE LIKE ROBIN GUILLEN, WHO ARE GRADUATES OF THE PROGRAM, GUIDE THE WEEKLY SESSIONS.

GRADUATES OF THE PROGRAM, GUIDE THE WEEKLY SESSIONS.

>> THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE THE WEEKLY SESSIONS.

>> THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE EXPLORE HERE AND DISCOVER ABOUT >> THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE EXPLORE HERE AND DISCOVER ABOUT OURSELVES ON WHY WE ACTED EXPLORE HERE AND DISCOVER ABOUT OURSELVES ON WHY WE ACTED VIOLENTLY.

OURSELVES ON WHY WE ACTED VIOLENTLY.

>> Reporter: GUILLEN HAS SERVED VIOLENTLY.

>> Reporter: GUILLEN HAS SERVED 40 YEARS IN PRISON, 20 OF THEM >> Reporter: GUILLEN HAS SERVED 40 YEARS IN PRISON, 20 OF THEM HERE AT SAN QUENTIN, FOR A 40 YEARS IN PRISON, 20 OF THEM HERE AT SAN QUENTIN, FOR A MURDER HE COMMITTED AT AGE 17.

HERE AT SAN QUENTIN, FOR A MURDER HE COMMITTED AT AGE 17.

AFTER WITNESSING A STABBING MURDER HE COMMITTED AT AGE 17.

AFTER WITNESSING A STABBING OUTSIDE HIS CELL, HE MADE A AFTER WITNESSING A STABBING OUTSIDE HIS CELL, HE MADE A DECISION TO TURN HIS LIFE AROUND OUTSIDE HIS CELL, HE MADE A DECISION TO TURN HIS LIFE AROUND BEGINNING WITH FACING HIS DECISION TO TURN HIS LIFE AROUND BEGINNING WITH FACING HIS PAINFUL PAST.

BEGINNING WITH FACING HIS PAINFUL PAST.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE VERY PAINFUL PAST.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE VERY FIRST TIME, THE VERY FIRST TIME >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE VERY FIRST TIME, THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT YOU WITNESSED TRAUMA OR FIRST TIME, THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT YOU WITNESSED TRAUMA OR PAIN IN YOUR LIFE?

THAT YOU WITNESSED TRAUMA OR PAIN IN YOUR LIFE?

>> MY FATHER AND MY COUSIN WERE PAIN IN YOUR LIFE?

>> MY FATHER AND MY COUSIN WERE IN A FIGHT IN THE LIVING ROOM.

>> MY FATHER AND MY COUSIN WERE IN A FIGHT IN THE LIVING ROOM.

MY FATHER STABBED THE COUSIN IN IN A FIGHT IN THE LIVING ROOM.

MY FATHER STABBED THE COUSIN IN THE LIVING ROOM MANY TIMES.

MY FATHER STABBED THE COUSIN IN THE LIVING ROOM MANY TIMES.

AND I'M SITTING THERE, CRYING, THE LIVING ROOM MANY TIMES.

AND I'M SITTING THERE, CRYING, BLOOD-KURD CURDLING KROOIM AND I'M SITTING THERE, CRYING, BLOOD-KURD CURDLING KROOIM CRIES, OUT OF SHEER FEAR, BLOOD-KURD CURDLING KROOIM CRIES, OUT OF SHEER FEAR, TERROR.

CRIES, OUT OF SHEER FEAR, TERROR.

THAT WAS THE FIRST EXPERIENCE OF TERROR.

THAT WAS THE FIRST EXPERIENCE OF ORIGINAL PAIN.

THAT WAS THE FIRST EXPERIENCE OF ORIGINAL PAIN.

>> Reporter: TO HELP THE NEW ORIGINAL PAIN.

>> Reporter: TO HELP THE NEW CLASS OF PRISONERS UNDERSTAND >> Reporter: TO HELP THE NEW CLASS OF PRISONERS UNDERSTAND HOW PAIN AND SUFFERING FROM CLASS OF PRISONERS UNDERSTAND HOW PAIN AND SUFFERING FROM THEIR PAST CAN TRIGGER VIOLENT HOW PAIN AND SUFFERING FROM THEIR PAST CAN TRIGGER VIOLENT BEHAVIOR, ROBIN PROMPTED OTHERS THEIR PAST CAN TRIGGER VIOLENT BEHAVIOR, ROBIN PROMPTED OTHERS TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE.

BEHAVIOR, ROBIN PROMPTED OTHERS TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE.

>> HOW MANY OF YOU SUFFERED FROM TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE.

>> HOW MANY OF YOU SUFFERED FROM TRAUMA EARLY ON IN LIFE, AS FAR >> HOW MANY OF YOU SUFFERED FROM TRAUMA EARLY ON IN LIFE, AS FAR BACK AS YOU CAN REMEMBER, AS AN TRAUMA EARLY ON IN LIFE, AS FAR BACK AS YOU CAN REMEMBER, AS AN ADOLESCENT, AS A LITTLE ONE?

BACK AS YOU CAN REMEMBER, AS AN ADOLESCENT, AS A LITTLE ONE?

>> EARLY ON IN MY LIFE, YOU ADOLESCENT, AS A LITTLE ONE?

>> EARLY ON IN MY LIFE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU DO YOU GET >> EARLY ON IN MY LIFE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU DO YOU GET HIT.

KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU DO YOU GET HIT.

IT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO ME THAT HIT.

IT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO ME THAT HAPPENED JUST NORMAL.

IT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO ME THAT HAPPENED JUST NORMAL.

IF YOU GO TO SCHOOL LATE, YOU HAPPENED JUST NORMAL.

IF YOU GO TO SCHOOL LATE, YOU GET A WHIPPING.

IF YOU GO TO SCHOOL LATE, YOU GET A WHIPPING.

IF YOU COME HOME LATE, YOU GET A GET A WHIPPING.

IF YOU COME HOME LATE, YOU GET A WHIPPING.

IF YOU COME HOME LATE, YOU GET A WHIPPING.

THOSE THINGS TAUGHT ME HOW TO BE WHIPPING.

THOSE THINGS TAUGHT ME HOW TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND HURTFUL TOWARDS THOSE THINGS TAUGHT ME HOW TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND HURTFUL TOWARDS ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

AGGRESSIVE AND HURTFUL TOWARDS ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

>> SEE IF YOU CAN CONNECT THE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

>> SEE IF YOU CAN CONNECT THE EMOTIONAL FEELING WITH SOME >> SEE IF YOU CAN CONNECT THE EMOTIONAL FEELING WITH SOME SENSATION IN YOUR BODY.

EMOTIONAL FEELING WITH SOME SENSATION IN YOUR BODY.

>> Reporter: THROUGH A PRACTICE SENSATION IN YOUR BODY.

>> Reporter: THROUGH A PRACTICE CALLED "SITTING IN THE FIRE" THE >> Reporter: THROUGH A PRACTICE CALLED "SITTING IN THE FIRE" THE INMATES LEARN TO FACE PAINFUL CALLED "SITTING IN THE FIRE" THE INMATES LEARN TO FACE PAINFUL EMOTIONS FROM THEIR PAST.

INMATES LEARN TO FACE PAINFUL EMOTIONS FROM THEIR PAST.

>> SO BREATHING IN, I WELCOME EMOTIONS FROM THEIR PAST.

>> SO BREATHING IN, I WELCOME THIS FEELING.

>> SO BREATHING IN, I WELCOME THIS FEELING.

I FEEL THIS FEAR, THIS GRIEF, THIS FEELING.

I FEEL THIS FEAR, THIS GRIEF, THIS ANXIETY.

I FEEL THIS FEAR, THIS GRIEF, THIS ANXIETY.

>> IN MY EXPERIENCE IN WORKING THIS ANXIETY.

>> IN MY EXPERIENCE IN WORKING IN SAN QUENTIN, I SAW THAT IT >> IN MY EXPERIENCE IN WORKING IN SAN QUENTIN, I SAW THAT IT WAS OFTEN DIFFICULT STRONG IN SAN QUENTIN, I SAW THAT IT WAS OFTEN DIFFICULT STRONG EMOTIONS THAT PROPELLED PEOPLE WAS OFTEN DIFFICULT STRONG EMOTIONS THAT PROPELLED PEOPLE IN A LIFE OF CRIME AND ADDICTION EMOTIONS THAT PROPELLED PEOPLE IN A LIFE OF CRIME AND ADDICTION AND TRYING TO MEDICATE WHAT YOU IN A LIFE OF CRIME AND ADDICTION AND TRYING TO MEDICATE WHAT YOU COULD OTHERWISE PROCESS.

AND TRYING TO MEDICATE WHAT YOU COULD OTHERWISE PROCESS.

"SITTING IN THE FIRE" IN COULD OTHERWISE PROCESS.

"SITTING IN THE FIRE" IN ESSENCE, BASICALLY IS A MOVEMENT "SITTING IN THE FIRE" IN ESSENCE, BASICALLY IS A MOVEMENT OF RESPONSIBILITY, WHERE YOU ESSENCE, BASICALLY IS A MOVEMENT OF RESPONSIBILITY, WHERE YOU SAY, "THE CAUSES AND THE ORIGINS OF RESPONSIBILITY, WHERE YOU SAY, "THE CAUSES AND THE ORIGINS OF THIS FEELING LIE WITHIN ME," SAY, "THE CAUSES AND THE ORIGINS OF THIS FEELING LIE WITHIN ME," SO YOU CAN STOP BLAMING.

OF THIS FEELING LIE WITHIN ME," SO YOU CAN STOP BLAMING.

>> AND SEE THAT'S THE WHOLE SO YOU CAN STOP BLAMING.

>> AND SEE THAT'S THE WHOLE PIECE, IS TO BE ABLE TO FEEL >> AND SEE THAT'S THE WHOLE PIECE, IS TO BE ABLE TO FEEL WHAT'S GOING ON, TO BE ABLE TO PIECE, IS TO BE ABLE TO FEEL WHAT'S GOING ON, TO BE ABLE TO REALLY ADDRESS, INTERNALLY, WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON, TO BE ABLE TO REALLY ADDRESS, INTERNALLY, WHAT IS THIS FEELING?

REALLY ADDRESS, INTERNALLY, WHAT IS THIS FEELING?

WHERE IS IT COMING FROM?

IS THIS FEELING?

WHERE IS IT COMING FROM?

AND HOW I'M GOING TO RESPOND WHERE IS IT COMING FROM?

AND HOW I'M GOING TO RESPOND VERSUS REACT.

AND HOW I'M GOING TO RESPOND VERSUS REACT.

>> Reporter: FOCUSING ON THE VERSUS REACT.

>> Reporter: FOCUSING ON THE BREATH, THIS PRACTICE DRAWS ON >> Reporter: FOCUSING ON THE BREATH, THIS PRACTICE DRAWS ON THE CONTEMPLATIVE TRADITION IN BREATH, THIS PRACTICE DRAWS ON THE CONTEMPLATIVE TRADITION IN MANY OF THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS.

THE CONTEMPLATIVE TRADITION IN MANY OF THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS.

>> WE TALK A LOT ABOUT BREATH MANY OF THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS.

>> WE TALK A LOT ABOUT BREATH AND SPIRIT BEING THE SAME THING.

>> WE TALK A LOT ABOUT BREATH AND SPIRIT BEING THE SAME THING.

SO TO SIT IN THE PORTAL OF AND SPIRIT BEING THE SAME THING.

SO TO SIT IN THE PORTAL OF FEELING THE MOVEMENT OF BREATH, SO TO SIT IN THE PORTAL OF FEELING THE MOVEMENT OF BREATH, OF SPIRIT AS IT ENTERS AND FEELING THE MOVEMENT OF BREATH, OF SPIRIT AS IT ENTERS AND PASSES THROUGH, IS A PRACTICE OF SPIRIT AS IT ENTERS AND PASSES THROUGH, IS A PRACTICE THAT ORIENTS US ON A VERY DEEP PASSES THROUGH, IS A PRACTICE THAT ORIENTS US ON A VERY DEEP LEVEL.

THAT ORIENTS US ON A VERY DEEP LEVEL.

>> IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU KNOW LEVEL.

>> IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU KNOW SITTING WITH MYSELF AND ALLOWING >> IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU KNOW SITTING WITH MYSELF AND ALLOWING GOD TO LOVE ME.

SITTING WITH MYSELF AND ALLOWING GOD TO LOVE ME.

YOU KNOW, THINGS MAY NOT BE ALL GOD TO LOVE ME.

YOU KNOW, THINGS MAY NOT BE ALL GOOD ALL THE TIME, BUT YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, THINGS MAY NOT BE ALL GOOD ALL THE TIME, BUT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DRAW FROM.

GOOD ALL THE TIME, BUT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DRAW FROM.

YOU CAN GROUND YOURSELF AND SOMETHING TO DRAW FROM.

YOU CAN GROUND YOURSELF AND BREATHE.

YOU CAN GROUND YOURSELF AND BREATHE.

>> Reporter: MAKING AMENDS TO BREATHE.

>> Reporter: MAKING AMENDS TO FAMILIES OF THEIR VICTIMS IS >> Reporter: MAKING AMENDS TO FAMILIES OF THEIR VICTIMS IS ALSO PART OF THE JOURNEY IN FAMILIES OF THEIR VICTIMS IS ALSO PART OF THE JOURNEY IN GRIP, AND TO THE EXPERIENCE OF ALSO PART OF THE JOURNEY IN GRIP, AND TO THE EXPERIENCE OF INNER FREEDOM FOR GUILLEN.

GRIP, AND TO THE EXPERIENCE OF INNER FREEDOM FOR GUILLEN.

>> I HAVE CHARACTER DEFECTS, INNER FREEDOM FOR GUILLEN.

>> I HAVE CHARACTER DEFECTS, FLAWS, AND I'M IMPERFECT.

>> I HAVE CHARACTER DEFECTS, FLAWS, AND I'M IMPERFECT.

BUT I HAVE A WALK AND I HAVE A FLAWS, AND I'M IMPERFECT.

BUT I HAVE A WALK AND I HAVE A COMMITMENT TO HONOR.

BUT I HAVE A WALK AND I HAVE A COMMITMENT TO HONOR.

AND TO HONOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT COMMITMENT TO HONOR.

AND TO HONOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT I'VE HURT.

AND TO HONOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT I'VE HURT.

AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE.

I'VE HURT.

AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE.

AND I COULD EITHER GIVE IT IN AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE.

AND I COULD EITHER GIVE IT IN HERE, OR I COULD GIVE IT OUT AND I COULD EITHER GIVE IT IN HERE, OR I COULD GIVE IT OUT THERE.

HERE, OR I COULD GIVE IT OUT THERE.

>> THIS IS 52 WEEKS OF VERY THERE.

>> THIS IS 52 WEEKS OF VERY DIFFICULT SELF-EXPLORATION.

>> THIS IS 52 WEEKS OF VERY DIFFICULT SELF-EXPLORATION.

NOT ONLY DO THE FACILITATORS DIFFICULT SELF-EXPLORATION.

NOT ONLY DO THE FACILITATORS HOLD THE MEN ACCOUNTABLE, THEY NOT ONLY DO THE FACILITATORS HOLD THE MEN ACCOUNTABLE, THEY DO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE, HOLD THE MEN ACCOUNTABLE, THEY DO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE, AND ULTIMATELY, THE SUCCESS OF DO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE, AND ULTIMATELY, THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM IS WHETHER OR NOT AND ULTIMATELY, THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM IS WHETHER OR NOT AFTER THEY'RE DONE THEY REALLY THE PROGRAM IS WHETHER OR NOT AFTER THEY'RE DONE THEY REALLY DO STICK TO THAT COMMITMENT OF AFTER THEY'RE DONE THEY REALLY DO STICK TO THAT COMMITMENT OF NON-VIOLENCE.

DO STICK TO THAT COMMITMENT OF NON-VIOLENCE.

>> I THINK IT'S AN ENORMOUS GIFT NON-VIOLENCE.

>> I THINK IT'S AN ENORMOUS GIFT TO A COMMUNITY TO BRING BACK >> I THINK IT'S AN ENORMOUS GIFT TO A COMMUNITY TO BRING BACK GROUPS OF MEN THAT HAVE BEEN TO A COMMUNITY TO BRING BACK GROUPS OF MEN THAT HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED AND THE GIFT IS TO GROUPS OF MEN THAT HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED AND THE GIFT IS TO SAY, THESE ARE SAFE MEN.

IMPRISONED AND THE GIFT IS TO SAY, THESE ARE SAFE MEN.

NOT ONLY WILL THEY NOT CREATE SAY, THESE ARE SAFE MEN.

NOT ONLY WILL THEY NOT CREATE CONFLICT AND VIOLENCE IN YOUR NOT ONLY WILL THEY NOT CREATE CONFLICT AND VIOLENCE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, THEY CAN HELP RESOLVE CONFLICT AND VIOLENCE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, THEY CAN HELP RESOLVE IT AND DE-ESCALATE IT.

COMMUNITY, THEY CAN HELP RESOLVE IT AND DE-ESCALATE IT.

>> Reporter: THIS GIFT WAS IT AND DE-ESCALATE IT.

>> Reporter: THIS GIFT WAS EVIDENT IN THE TESTIMONIES AT >> Reporter: THIS GIFT WAS EVIDENT IN THE TESTIMONIES AT THE GRADUATION CEREMONY OF LAST EVIDENT IN THE TESTIMONIES AT THE GRADUATION CEREMONY OF LAST YEAR'S GRIP CLASS.

THE GRADUATION CEREMONY OF LAST YEAR'S GRIP CLASS.

>> MY NAME IS VAUGHAN.

YEAR'S GRIP CLASS.

>> MY NAME IS VAUGHAN.

I'VE BEEN INCARCERATED FOR >> MY NAME IS VAUGHAN.

I'VE BEEN INCARCERATED FOR 18 YEARS FOR TAKING THE LIFE OF I'VE BEEN INCARCERATED FOR 18 YEARS FOR TAKING THE LIFE OF KNEECK.

18 YEARS FOR TAKING THE LIFE OF KNEECK.

THROUGH ALL THAT HURT AND YOU KNEECK.

THROUGH ALL THAT HURT AND YOU ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THROUGH ALL THAT HURT AND YOU ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT, THEY GOT A PART IN THERE ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT, THEY GOT A PART IN THERE CALLED "SITTING IN THE FIRE," SO THAT, THEY GOT A PART IN THERE CALLED "SITTING IN THE FIRE," SO YOU SIT THROUGH ALL THEM CALLED "SITTING IN THE FIRE," SO YOU SIT THROUGH ALL THEM EMOTIONS AND I GOT TO SEE ALL YOU SIT THROUGH ALL THEM EMOTIONS AND I GOT TO SEE ALL THE UGLY THAT I DID.

EMOTIONS AND I GOT TO SEE ALL THE UGLY THAT I DID.

ALSO WHAT IT HELPED ME DO IS TO THE UGLY THAT I DID.

ALSO WHAT IT HELPED ME DO IS TO LOOK BACK AND FIND MY AUTHENTIC ALSO WHAT IT HELPED ME DO IS TO LOOK BACK AND FIND MY AUTHENTIC SELF, TO LOOK BACK AT THAT KID LOOK BACK AND FIND MY AUTHENTIC SELF, TO LOOK BACK AT THAT KID THAT USED TO CRY WHEN HIS SELF, TO LOOK BACK AT THAT KID THAT USED TO CRY WHEN HIS HAMSTER DIED AND ALLOW THAT THAT USED TO CRY WHEN HIS HAMSTER DIED AND ALLOW THAT PERSON RIGHT THERE TO COME FORTH HAMSTER DIED AND ALLOW THAT PERSON RIGHT THERE TO COME FORTH AND SHINE AND GUIDE ME.

PERSON RIGHT THERE TO COME FORTH AND SHINE AND GUIDE ME.

AND IF I CAN STOP ANOTHER KNEECK AND SHINE AND GUIDE ME.

AND IF I CAN STOP ANOTHER KNEECK FROM BEING MURDERED AND ANOTHER AND IF I CAN STOP ANOTHER KNEECK FROM BEING MURDERED AND ANOTHER VAUGHAN FROM MURDERING SOMEBODY, FROM BEING MURDERED AND ANOTHER VAUGHAN FROM MURDERING SOMEBODY, THEN I DID MY JOB.

VAUGHAN FROM MURDERING SOMEBODY, THEN I DID MY JOB.

[ APPLAUSE ] THEN I DID MY JOB.

[ APPLAUSE ] >> DERRICK COOPER.

[ APPLAUSE ] >> DERRICK COOPER.

>> Reporter: THE "DIPLOMA" THE >> DERRICK COOPER.

>> Reporter: THE "DIPLOMA" THE GRADUATES RECEIVED IS THEIR >> Reporter: THE "DIPLOMA" THE GRADUATES RECEIVED IS THEIR PLEDGE TO A CODE OF ATTITUDES GRADUATES RECEIVED IS THEIR PLEDGE TO A CODE OF ATTITUDES AND BEHAVIOR TO TURN A LIFE OF PLEDGE TO A CODE OF ATTITUDES AND BEHAVIOR TO TURN A LIFE OF VIOLENCE INTO BEING A AND BEHAVIOR TO TURN A LIFE OF VIOLENCE INTO BEING A PEACEMAKER.

VIOLENCE INTO BEING A PEACEMAKER.

IN A CLOSING RITUAL, SUPPORTERS PEACEMAKER.

IN A CLOSING RITUAL, SUPPORTERS WELCOMED THE GRADUATES INTO THE IN A CLOSING RITUAL, SUPPORTERS WELCOMED THE GRADUATES INTO THE COMMUNITY AS PEACEMAKERS, READY WELCOMED THE GRADUATES INTO THE COMMUNITY AS PEACEMAKERS, READY TO GIVE BACK.

COMMUNITY AS PEACEMAKERS, READY TO GIVE BACK.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS TO GIVE BACK.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS KATE OLSON FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS KATE OLSON REPORTING FROM SAN QUENTIN.

>>> ON OUR CALENDAR, THE JEWISH >>> ON OUR CALENDAR, THE JEWISH HOLIDAY OF SHAVUOT BEGINS AT >>> ON OUR CALENDAR, THE JEWISH HOLIDAY OF SHAVUOT BEGINS AT SUNDOWN ON TUESDAY.

HOLIDAY OF SHAVUOT BEGINS AT SUNDOWN ON TUESDAY.

SHAVUOT COMMEMORATES THE GIVING SUNDOWN ON TUESDAY.

SHAVUOT COMMEMORATES THE GIVING OF THE TORAH TO MOSES ON MOUNT SHAVUOT COMMEMORATES THE GIVING OF THE TORAH TO MOSES ON MOUNT SINAI.

OF THE TORAH TO MOSES ON MOUNT SINAI.

SOME JEWS GATHER IN SYNAGOGUES SINAI.

SOME JEWS GATHER IN SYNAGOGUES AND HOMES TO STUDY THE TORAH ALL SOME JEWS GATHER IN SYNAGOGUES AND HOMES TO STUDY THE TORAH ALL NIGHT LONG.

AND HOMES TO STUDY THE TORAH ALL NIGHT LONG.

THE HOLIDAY IS ALSO A HARVEST NIGHT LONG.

THE HOLIDAY IS ALSO A HARVEST FESTIVAL, WHICH MANY CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAY IS ALSO A HARVEST FESTIVAL, WHICH MANY CELEBRATE BY EATING RICH DAIRY FOODS, LIKE FESTIVAL, WHICH MANY CELEBRATE BY EATING RICH DAIRY FOODS, LIKE CHEESECAKE.

BY EATING RICH DAIRY FOODS, LIKE CHEESECAKE.

>>> FINALLY, PROMINENT CHEESECAKE.

>>> FINALLY, PROMINENT EVANGELICAL PHILOSOPHER DALLAS >>> FINALLY, PROMINENT EVANGELICAL PHILOSOPHER DALLAS WILLARD DIED THIS WEEK, JUST EVANGELICAL PHILOSOPHER DALLAS WILLARD DIED THIS WEEK, JUST DAYS AFTER REVEALING HE HAD BEEN WILLARD DIED THIS WEEK, JUST DAYS AFTER REVEALING HE HAD BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER.

DAYS AFTER REVEALING HE HAD BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER.

HE WAS 77.

DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER.

HE WAS 77.

THE LONGTIME UNIVERSITY OF HE WAS 77.

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HIS BEST-SELLING, "THE DIVINE CONSPIRACY."

>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

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