>>> COMING UP -- BOB FAW REPORTS >>> COMING UP -- BOB FAW REPORTS ON COMFORTING THE NEWLY >>> COMING UP -- BOB FAW REPORTS ON COMFORTING THE NEWLY BEREAVED.

ON COMFORTING THE NEWLY BEREAVED.

>> I THINK THE LONELINESS IS BEREAVED.

>> I THINK THE LONELINESS IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN REALLY >> I THINK THE LONELINESS IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN REALLY PREPARE YOU FOR.

SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN REALLY PREPARE YOU FOR.

>>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON PREPARE YOU FOR.

>>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON THE SACRED COWS OF INDIA, AN >>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON THE SACRED COWS OF INDIA, AN ESTIMATED 40,000 OF THEM ON THE THE SACRED COWS OF INDIA, AN ESTIMATED 40,000 OF THEM ON THE >>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

ESTIMATED 40,000 OF THEM ON THE >>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

>>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

IN A HIGHLY CRITICAL NEW REPORT, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

IN A HIGHLY CRITICAL NEW REPORT, A UNITED NATIONS PANEL ACCUSED IN A HIGHLY CRITICAL NEW REPORT, A UNITED NATIONS PANEL ACCUSED THE VATICAN OF SYSTEMATICALLY A UNITED NATIONS PANEL ACCUSED THE VATICAN OF SYSTEMATICALLY PUTTING PROTECTION OF THE THE VATICAN OF SYSTEMATICALLY PUTTING PROTECTION OF THE CHURCH'S REPUTATION ABOVE THE PUTTING PROTECTION OF THE CHURCH'S REPUTATION ABOVE THE WELFARE OF CHILDREN WHO WERE CHURCH'S REPUTATION ABOVE THE WELFARE OF CHILDREN WHO WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED BY PRIESTS.

WELFARE OF CHILDREN WHO WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED BY PRIESTS.

THE NONBINDING REPORT BY THE SEXUALLY ABUSED BY PRIESTS.

THE NONBINDING REPORT BY THE U.N. COMMITTEE ON THE RIGHTS OF THE NONBINDING REPORT BY THE U.N. COMMITTEE ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD CALLED ON THE VATICAN U.N. COMMITTEE ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD CALLED ON THE VATICAN TO IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL KNOWN THE CHILD CALLED ON THE VATICAN TO IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL KNOWN OR SUSPECTED ABUSERS AND TURN TO IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL KNOWN OR SUSPECTED ABUSERS AND TURN THEM OVER TO CIVIL AUTHORITIES.

OR SUSPECTED ABUSERS AND TURN THEM OVER TO CIVIL AUTHORITIES.

IT ALSO URGED ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEM OVER TO CIVIL AUTHORITIES.

IT ALSO URGED ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THOSE WHO COVERED UP THE CRIMES.

IT ALSO URGED ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THOSE WHO COVERED UP THE CRIMES.

IN RESPONSE, CHURCH OFFICIALS THOSE WHO COVERED UP THE CRIMES.

IN RESPONSE, CHURCH OFFICIALS SAID THE REPORT IGNORED RECENT IN RESPONSE, CHURCH OFFICIALS SAID THE REPORT IGNORED RECENT MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE ABUSE SAID THE REPORT IGNORED RECENT MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE ABUSE CRISIS.

MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE ABUSE CRISIS.

THEY ALSO REJECTED THE PANEL'S CRISIS.

THEY ALSO REJECTED THE PANEL'S CRITICISM OF CHURCH POSITIONS ON THEY ALSO REJECTED THE PANEL'S CRITICISM OF CHURCH POSITIONS ON OTHER ISSUES INCLUDING ABORTION, CRITICISM OF CHURCH POSITIONS ON OTHER ISSUES INCLUDING ABORTION, BIRTH CONTROL AND HOMOSEXUALITY.

OTHER ISSUES INCLUDING ABORTION, BIRTH CONTROL AND HOMOSEXUALITY.

JOINING ME WITH MORE ON THIS ARE BIRTH CONTROL AND HOMOSEXUALITY.

JOINING ME WITH MORE ON THIS ARE KIM LAWTON, MANAGING EDITOR OF JOINING ME WITH MORE ON THIS ARE KIM LAWTON, MANAGING EDITOR OF THIS PROGRAM AND FATHER TOM KIM LAWTON, MANAGING EDITOR OF THIS PROGRAM AND FATHER TOM REESE, AUTHOR, EXPERT ON THE THIS PROGRAM AND FATHER TOM REESE, AUTHOR, EXPERT ON THE VATICAN, AND SENIOR ANALYST AT REESE, AUTHOR, EXPERT ON THE VATICAN, AND SENIOR ANALYST AT "THE NATIONAL CATHOLIC VATICAN, AND SENIOR ANALYST AT "THE NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER."

"THE NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER."

WELCOME.

REPORTER."

WELCOME.

WELCOME BACK HERE.

WELCOME.

WELCOME BACK HERE.

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THIS U.N.

WELCOME BACK HERE.

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THIS U.N. COMMITTEE'S REPORT?

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THIS U.N. COMMITTEE'S REPORT?

>> WELL, IT WAS A MISSED COMMITTEE'S REPORT?

>> WELL, IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

>> WELL, IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

YOU KNOW, I WISH THEY HAD OPPORTUNITY.

YOU KNOW, I WISH THEY HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THE FACT THAT THE YOU KNOW, I WISH THEY HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH HAS DONE SOMETHING.

ACKNOWLEDGED THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH HAS DONE SOMETHING.

FOR EXAMPLE, POPE BENEDICT PUT CHURCH HAS DONE SOMETHING.

FOR EXAMPLE, POPE BENEDICT PUT IN ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ANY ABUSE.

FOR EXAMPLE, POPE BENEDICT PUT IN ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ANY ABUSE.

THAT MEANS ANY PRIEST INVOLVED IN ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ANY ABUSE.

THAT MEANS ANY PRIEST INVOLVED IN ABUSE IS NO LONGER ALLOWED TO THAT MEANS ANY PRIEST INVOLVED IN ABUSE IS NO LONGER ALLOWED TO BE IN THE PRIESTHOOD.

IN ABUSE IS NO LONGER ALLOWED TO BE IN THE PRIESTHOOD.

HE THREW OUT 400 PRIESTS IN THE BE IN THE PRIESTHOOD.

HE THREW OUT 400 PRIESTS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OF HIS PAPACY.

HE THREW OUT 400 PRIESTS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OF HIS PAPACY.

I THINK THEY SHOULD'VE LAST TWO YEARS OF HIS PAPACY.

I THINK THEY SHOULD'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, AND THEN SAID I THINK THEY SHOULD'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, AND THEN SAID "OKAY, MAKE SURE YOU KEEP ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, AND THEN SAID "OKAY, MAKE SURE YOU KEEP ENFORCING THESE POLICIES THAT "OKAY, MAKE SURE YOU KEEP ENFORCING THESE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE."

ENFORCING THESE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE."

>> SO, CAN IT BE EXPECTED THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE."

>> SO, CAN IT BE EXPECTED THAT THIS COMMITTEE REPORT, IT WAS >> SO, CAN IT BE EXPECTED THAT THIS COMMITTEE REPORT, IT WAS ONLY A COMMITTEE REPORT, WILL THIS COMMITTEE REPORT, IT WAS ONLY A COMMITTEE REPORT, WILL HAVE ANY IMPACT, WILL CAUSE THE ONLY A COMMITTEE REPORT, WILL HAVE ANY IMPACT, WILL CAUSE THE VATICAN TO DO ANYTHING IT HAVE ANY IMPACT, WILL CAUSE THE VATICAN TO DO ANYTHING IT OTHERWISE WOULDN'T DO?

VATICAN TO DO ANYTHING IT OTHERWISE WOULDN'T DO?

>> WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY DRAWING OTHERWISE WOULDN'T DO?

>> WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEM AGAIN.

>> WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEM AGAIN.

AND IT DOES HAVE SOME GOOD ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEM AGAIN.

AND IT DOES HAVE SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOES HAVE SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT BISHOPS ARE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT BISHOPS ARE ACCOUNTABLE, THAT THEY FULFILL MAKING SURE THAT BISHOPS ARE ACCOUNTABLE, THAT THEY FULFILL AND DO THE POLICIES THAT THE ACCOUNTABLE, THAT THEY FULFILL AND DO THE POLICIES THAT THE VATICAN HAS NOW PUT IN PLACE.

AND DO THE POLICIES THAT THE VATICAN HAS NOW PUT IN PLACE.

>> WELL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE VATICAN HAS NOW PUT IN PLACE.

>> WELL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

>> WELL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

THAT'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE IS QUESTIONS.

THAT'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE IS HOLDING THE CHURCH LEADERS, THAT'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE IS HOLDING THE CHURCH LEADERS, BISHOPS, ARCHBISHOPS HOLDING THE CHURCH LEADERS, BISHOPS, ARCHBISHOPS ACCOUNTABLE, MAKING THEM PAY BISHOPS, ARCHBISHOPS ACCOUNTABLE, MAKING THEM PAY CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ROLE IN ACCOUNTABLE, MAKING THEM PAY CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ROLE IN IT AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ROLE IN IT AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

IT AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

WHY HASN'T THAT HAPPENED?

HASN'T HAPPENED.

WHY HASN'T THAT HAPPENED?

>> WELL, THAT'S THE REAL WHY HASN'T THAT HAPPENED?

>> WELL, THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION AND THAT'S THE REAL >> WELL, THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION AND THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE.

QUESTION AND THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE.

I THINK THAT THE VATICAN HAS TO ISSUE.

I THINK THAT THE VATICAN HAS TO GO AFTER BISHOPS LIKE BISHOP I THINK THAT THE VATICAN HAS TO GO AFTER BISHOPS LIKE BISHOP FINN OF KANSAS CITY WHO'S BEEN GO AFTER BISHOPS LIKE BISHOP FINN OF KANSAS CITY WHO'S BEEN CONVICTED OF NOT REPORTING A FINN OF KANSAS CITY WHO'S BEEN CONVICTED OF NOT REPORTING A PRIEST TO CIVIL AUTHORITIES.

CONVICTED OF NOT REPORTING A PRIEST TO CIVIL AUTHORITIES.

WELL, I MEAN HE'S JUST GOT TO PRIEST TO CIVIL AUTHORITIES.

WELL, I MEAN HE'S JUST GOT TO GO.

WELL, I MEAN HE'S JUST GOT TO GO.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE CASE OF GO.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE CASE OF THE ITALIAN BISHOPS CONFERENCE, AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE CASE OF THE ITALIAN BISHOPS CONFERENCE, WHICH HAS DECIDED "WELL, WE'RE THE ITALIAN BISHOPS CONFERENCE, WHICH HAS DECIDED "WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPORT OUR BAD WHICH HAS DECIDED "WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPORT OUR BAD PRIESTS TO THE POLICE."

NOT GOING TO REPORT OUR BAD PRIESTS TO THE POLICE."

THAT'S SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE AND PRIESTS TO THE POLICE."

THAT'S SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE AND THE VATICAN HAS TO TELL THEM THAT'S SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE AND THE VATICAN HAS TO TELL THEM THAT.

THE VATICAN HAS TO TELL THEM THAT.

>> POPE FRANCIS, OBVIOUSLY VERY THAT.

>> POPE FRANCIS, OBVIOUSLY VERY POPULAR, BUT THIS IS ONE AREA >> POPE FRANCIS, OBVIOUSLY VERY POPULAR, BUT THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE HE HAS DRAWN SOME POPULAR, BUT THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE HE HAS DRAWN SOME CRITICISM FROM PEOPLE WHO SAY, WHERE HE HAS DRAWN SOME CRITICISM FROM PEOPLE WHO SAY, "YES HE'S CALLED SEX ABUSE OF CRITICISM FROM PEOPLE WHO SAY, "YES HE'S CALLED SEX ABUSE OF MINORS A HARM OF THE CHURCH, A "YES HE'S CALLED SEX ABUSE OF MINORS A HARM OF THE CHURCH, A SHAME OF THE CHURCH."

MINORS A HARM OF THE CHURCH, A SHAME OF THE CHURCH."

HE HAS SAID HE'S GOING TO SHAME OF THE CHURCH."

HE HAS SAID HE'S GOING TO APPOINT A COMMISSION TO DEAL HE HAS SAID HE'S GOING TO APPOINT A COMMISSION TO DEAL WITH THIS, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE APPOINT A COMMISSION TO DEAL WITH THIS, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING, "YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD WITH THIS, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING, "YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD APOLOGIES, WE'VE HEARD TALK, SAYING, "YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD APOLOGIES, WE'VE HEARD TALK, WE'VE HEARD STUDIES.

APOLOGIES, WE'VE HEARD TALK, WE'VE HEARD STUDIES.

WHEN IS THERE GOING TO BE ACTUAL WE'VE HEARD STUDIES.

WHEN IS THERE GOING TO BE ACTUAL ACTION?"

WHEN IS THERE GOING TO BE ACTUAL ACTION?"

IS THIS SOMETHING HE'S ACTION?"

IS THIS SOMETHING HE'S VULNERABLE ON?

IS THIS SOMETHING HE'S VULNERABLE ON?

>> WELL, I THINK HE'S GOT TO VULNERABLE ON?

>> WELL, I THINK HE'S GOT TO HOLD BISHOPS ACCOUNTABLE THAT >> WELL, I THINK HE'S GOT TO HOLD BISHOPS ACCOUNTABLE THAT THEY HAVE TO OBSERVE THE HOLD BISHOPS ACCOUNTABLE THAT THEY HAVE TO OBSERVE THE POLICIES THAT HE'S ESTABLISHED.

THEY HAVE TO OBSERVE THE POLICIES THAT HE'S ESTABLISHED.

I THINK THE IDEA OF A COMMISSION POLICIES THAT HE'S ESTABLISHED.

I THINK THE IDEA OF A COMMISSION IS GOOD.

I THINK THE IDEA OF A COMMISSION IS GOOD.

IT BRINGS TOGETHER EXPERTS AND IS GOOD.

IT BRINGS TOGETHER EXPERTS AND SO THAT ALL BISHOPS ALL OVER THE IT BRINGS TOGETHER EXPERTS AND SO THAT ALL BISHOPS ALL OVER THE WORLD LEARN BEST PRACTICES AND SO THAT ALL BISHOPS ALL OVER THE WORLD LEARN BEST PRACTICES AND THEY DON'T MAKE THE SAME WORLD LEARN BEST PRACTICES AND THEY DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THAT THE AMERICAN THEY DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THAT THE AMERICAN BISHOPS MADE.

MISTAKES THAT THE AMERICAN BISHOPS MADE.

THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

BISHOPS MADE.

THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

>> WHAT IS THE SITUATION AROUND THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

>> WHAT IS THE SITUATION AROUND THE WORLD?

>> WHAT IS THE SITUATION AROUND THE WORLD?

ARE THERE PLACES WHERE THEY'RE THE WORLD?

ARE THERE PLACES WHERE THEY'RE JUST IN DENIAL?

ARE THERE PLACES WHERE THEY'RE JUST IN DENIAL?

>> I THINK SO.

JUST IN DENIAL?

>> I THINK SO.

I THINK THAT BISHOPS IN THE >> I THINK SO.

I THINK THAT BISHOPS IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH AND THE THIRD WORLD I THINK THAT BISHOPS IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH AND THE THIRD WORLD AREN'T REALLY UP TO SPEED ON GLOBAL SOUTH AND THE THIRD WORLD AREN'T REALLY UP TO SPEED ON THIS AND I THINK IT'S VERY AREN'T REALLY UP TO SPEED ON THIS AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY LEARN FROM THIS AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OF THE AMERICAN IMPORTANT THAT THEY LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OF THE AMERICAN BISHOPS, OF THE EUROPEAN BISHOPS THE MISTAKES OF THE AMERICAN BISHOPS, OF THE EUROPEAN BISHOPS SO THAT THEY BE PROACTIVE THAT BISHOPS, OF THE EUROPEAN BISHOPS SO THAT THEY BE PROACTIVE THAT THEY GET TO THIS PROBLEM BEFORE SO THAT THEY BE PROACTIVE THAT THEY GET TO THIS PROBLEM BEFORE IT EXPLODES ON THEM.

THEY GET TO THIS PROBLEM BEFORE IT EXPLODES ON THEM.

>> WHAT WILL SATISFY SOME OF THE IT EXPLODES ON THEM.

>> WHAT WILL SATISFY SOME OF THE VICTIMS' ADVOCATES WHO, YOU >> WHAT WILL SATISFY SOME OF THE VICTIMS' ADVOCATES WHO, YOU KNOW, ON THIS ISSUE?

VICTIMS' ADVOCATES WHO, YOU KNOW, ON THIS ISSUE?

>> WELL, THE VICTIMS' ADVOCATES KNOW, ON THIS ISSUE?

>> WELL, THE VICTIMS' ADVOCATES HAVE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, >> WELL, THE VICTIMS' ADVOCATES HAVE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO HAVE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM FIRST OF ALL.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM FIRST OF ALL.

THEM FIRST OF ALL.

THEM FIRST OF ALL.

THEM FIRST OF ALL.

WE HAVE TO APOLOGIZE AGAIN AND THEM FIRST OF ALL.

WE HAVE TO APOLOGIZE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

WE HAVE TO APOLOGIZE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, MAKE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENS CLEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

SURE THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT AGAIN.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT VICTIMS REALLY WANT.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT VICTIMS REALLY WANT.

>> BUT TOM, IS THE VATICAN READY VICTIMS REALLY WANT.

>> BUT TOM, IS THE VATICAN READY TO START FIRING PEOPLE, LIKE THE >> BUT TOM, IS THE VATICAN READY TO START FIRING PEOPLE, LIKE THE BISHOP THAT YOU REFERRED TO IN TO START FIRING PEOPLE, LIKE THE BISHOP THAT YOU REFERRED TO IN KANSAS CITY?

BISHOP THAT YOU REFERRED TO IN KANSAS CITY?

>> YOU KNOW THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SO KANSAS CITY?

>> YOU KNOW THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SO FAR, ALTHOUGH IN IRELAND THERE >> YOU KNOW THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SO FAR, ALTHOUGH IN IRELAND THERE HAVE BEEN BISHOPS THAT HAVE BEEN FAR, ALTHOUGH IN IRELAND THERE HAVE BEEN BISHOPS THAT HAVE BEEN FIRED.

HAVE BEEN BISHOPS THAT HAVE BEEN FIRED.

CARDINAL LAW, OF COURSE, WAS FIRED.

CARDINAL LAW, OF COURSE, WAS REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

CARDINAL LAW, OF COURSE, WAS REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE MORE OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE MORE OF THAT.

IF WE HAD HAD 30 OR 40 BISHOPS MORE OF THAT.

IF WE HAD HAD 30 OR 40 BISHOPS IN THIS COUNTRY STAND UP AND SAY IF WE HAD HAD 30 OR 40 BISHOPS IN THIS COUNTRY STAND UP AND SAY "I'VE MADE A MISTAKE.

IN THIS COUNTRY STAND UP AND SAY "I'VE MADE A MISTAKE.

I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

"I'VE MADE A MISTAKE.

I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

I'M SORRY AND I RESIGN" WE I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

I'M SORRY AND I RESIGN" WE WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

I'M SORRY AND I RESIGN" WE WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

>> FATHER TOM REESE, MANY WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

>> FATHER TOM REESE, MANY THANKS.

>> FATHER TOM REESE, MANY THANKS.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, MORE THAN THANKS.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, MORE THAN 3,000 LEADERS FROM THE U.S. AND >>> IN OTHER NEWS, MORE THAN 3,000 LEADERS FROM THE U.S. AND AROUND THE WORLD PUT ASIDE 3,000 LEADERS FROM THE U.S. AND AROUND THE WORLD PUT ASIDE POLITICAL DISAGREEMENTS FOR A AROUND THE WORLD PUT ASIDE POLITICAL DISAGREEMENTS FOR A FEW MOMENTS THIS WEEK AT THE POLITICAL DISAGREEMENTS FOR A FEW MOMENTS THIS WEEK AT THE 62ND ANNUAL NATIONAL PRAYER FEW MOMENTS THIS WEEK AT THE 62ND ANNUAL NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFAST.

62ND ANNUAL NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFAST.

PRESIDENT OBAMA SPOKE ABOUT THE BREAKFAST.

PRESIDENT OBAMA SPOKE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.

PRESIDENT OBAMA SPOKE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.

CONSERVATIVES HAVE CRITICIZED IMPORTANCE OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.

CONSERVATIVES HAVE CRITICIZED HIS ADMINISTRATION'S RECORD ON CONSERVATIVES HAVE CRITICIZED HIS ADMINISTRATION'S RECORD ON RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, BUT THE HIS ADMINISTRATION'S RECORD ON RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, BUT THE PRESIDENT SAID HE'S COMMITTED TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, BUT THE PRESIDENT SAID HE'S COMMITTED TO DEFENDING IT AROUND THE WORLD.

PRESIDENT SAID HE'S COMMITTED TO DEFENDING IT AROUND THE WORLD.

>> PROMOTING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM DEFENDING IT AROUND THE WORLD.

>> PROMOTING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS A KEY OBJECTIVE OF >> PROMOTING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS A KEY OBJECTIVE OF U.S. FOREIGN POLICY.

IS A KEY OBJECTIVE OF U.S. FOREIGN POLICY.

>> THE PRAYER BREAKFAST USUALLY U.S. FOREIGN POLICY.

>> THE PRAYER BREAKFAST USUALLY HAS A CHRISTIAN KEYNOTER, BUT >> THE PRAYER BREAKFAST USUALLY HAS A CHRISTIAN KEYNOTER, BUT THIS YEAR'S SPEAKER WAS HAS A CHRISTIAN KEYNOTER, BUT THIS YEAR'S SPEAKER WAS U.S. AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL THIS YEAR'S SPEAKER WAS U.S. AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR RAJIV U.S. AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR RAJIV SHAH, WHO IS HINDU.

DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR RAJIV SHAH, WHO IS HINDU.

HE URGED PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN SHAH, WHO IS HINDU.

HE URGED PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND FAITH-BASED HE URGED PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND FAITH-BASED GROUPS TO HELP THE POOR.

THE GOVERNMENT AND FAITH-BASED GROUPS TO HELP THE POOR.

>> THIS MORNING, I WANT TO SHARE GROUPS TO HELP THE POOR.

>> THIS MORNING, I WANT TO SHARE AN OVERARCHING PURPOSE WORTHY OF >> THIS MORNING, I WANT TO SHARE AN OVERARCHING PURPOSE WORTHY OF THIS ROOM THAT HAS COME TOGETHER AN OVERARCHING PURPOSE WORTHY OF THIS ROOM THAT HAS COME TOGETHER TO FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF THIS ROOM THAT HAS COME TOGETHER TO FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, LET US WORK TOGETHER TO TO FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, LET US WORK TOGETHER TO END EXTREME POVERTY IN OUR JESUS, LET US WORK TOGETHER TO END EXTREME POVERTY IN OUR LIFETIME.

END EXTREME POVERTY IN OUR LIFETIME.

>>> A NEW REPORT SAYS THE LIFETIME.

>>> A NEW REPORT SAYS THE ABORTION RATE IN THE U.S. HAS >>> A NEW REPORT SAYS THE ABORTION RATE IN THE U.S. HAS FALLEN TO ITS LOWEST POINT SINCE ABORTION RATE IN THE U.S. HAS FALLEN TO ITS LOWEST POINT SINCE 1973, THE YEAR THE SUPREME FALLEN TO ITS LOWEST POINT SINCE 1973, THE YEAR THE SUPREME COURT'S ROE V. WADE DECISION 1973, THE YEAR THE SUPREME COURT'S ROE V. WADE DECISION LEGALIZED MOST ABORTION COURT'S ROE V. WADE DECISION LEGALIZED MOST ABORTION NATIONWIDE.

LEGALIZED MOST ABORTION NATIONWIDE.

ACCORDING TO THE GUTTMACHER NATIONWIDE.

ACCORDING TO THE GUTTMACHER INSTITUTE, THERE WERE FEWER THAN ACCORDING TO THE GUTTMACHER INSTITUTE, THERE WERE FEWER THAN 17 ABORTIONS PER 1,000 WOMEN IN INSTITUTE, THERE WERE FEWER THAN 17 ABORTIONS PER 1,000 WOMEN IN 2011, A 13% DECLINE IN RECENT 17 ABORTIONS PER 1,000 WOMEN IN 2011, A 13% DECLINE IN RECENT YEARS.

2011, A 13% DECLINE IN RECENT YEARS.

THE INSTITUTE DID NOT STUDY THE YEARS.

THE INSTITUTE DID NOT STUDY THE REASONS FOR THE DROP BUT SAID IT THE INSTITUTE DID NOT STUDY THE REASONS FOR THE DROP BUT SAID IT WAS LIKELY CAUSED BY THE REASONS FOR THE DROP BUT SAID IT WAS LIKELY CAUSED BY THE EFFECTIVENESS OF NEW FORMS OF WAS LIKELY CAUSED BY THE EFFECTIVENESS OF NEW FORMS OF CONTRACEPTION.

EFFECTIVENESS OF NEW FORMS OF CONTRACEPTION.

>>> A CONTROVERSY THIS WEEK OVER CONTRACEPTION.

>>> A CONTROVERSY THIS WEEK OVER PUBLICATION OF THE PERSONAL >>> A CONTROVERSY THIS WEEK OVER PUBLICATION OF THE PERSONAL NOTES OF THE LATE POPE JOHN PAUL PUBLICATION OF THE PERSONAL NOTES OF THE LATE POPE JOHN PAUL II.

NOTES OF THE LATE POPE JOHN PAUL II.

THE NEW BOOK IS "I AM VERY MUCH II.

THE NEW BOOK IS "I AM VERY MUCH IN GOD'S HANDS," AND THE ISSUE THE NEW BOOK IS "I AM VERY MUCH IN GOD'S HANDS," AND THE ISSUE IS WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN GOD'S HANDS," AND THE ISSUE IS WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED AT ALL.

IS WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED AT ALL.

JOHN PAUL LEFT A WILL SAYING HIS PUBLISHED AT ALL.

JOHN PAUL LEFT A WILL SAYING HIS NOTES SHOULD BE BURNED.

JOHN PAUL LEFT A WILL SAYING HIS NOTES SHOULD BE BURNED.

BUT HIS LONGTIME FORMER NOTES SHOULD BE BURNED.

BUT HIS LONGTIME FORMER SECRETARY, CARDINAL STANISLAW BUT HIS LONGTIME FORMER SECRETARY, CARDINAL STANISLAW DZIWISZ, SAID HE COULD NOT BEAR SECRETARY, CARDINAL STANISLAW DZIWISZ, SAID HE COULD NOT BEAR TO DESTROY THE NOTES BECAUSE OF DZIWISZ, SAID HE COULD NOT BEAR TO DESTROY THE NOTES BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID WAS THEIR VALUE IN TO DESTROY THE NOTES BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID WAS THEIR VALUE IN UNDERSTANDING THE LATE POPE'S WHAT HE SAID WAS THEIR VALUE IN UNDERSTANDING THE LATE POPE'S SPIRITUALITY.

UNDERSTANDING THE LATE POPE'S SPIRITUALITY.

>>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT NOW SPIRITUALITY.

>>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT NOW FROM BOB FAW ON THE BEREAVED, >>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT NOW FROM BOB FAW ON THE BEREAVED, THE GRIEVING AND LONELY AFTER A FROM BOB FAW ON THE BEREAVED, THE GRIEVING AND LONELY AFTER A LOVED ONE'S DEATH.

THE GRIEVING AND LONELY AFTER A LOVED ONE'S DEATH.

FOR SOME, THE LOSS CHALLENGES LOVED ONE'S DEATH.

FOR SOME, THE LOSS CHALLENGES THEIR FAITH.

FOR SOME, THE LOSS CHALLENGES THEIR FAITH.

FOR OTHERS, THEIR TRUST IN GOD THEIR FAITH.

FOR OTHERS, THEIR TRUST IN GOD IS STRENGTHENED.

FOR OTHERS, THEIR TRUST IN GOD IS STRENGTHENED.

IN THE MIDST OF THE PAIN, HOW DO IS STRENGTHENED.

IN THE MIDST OF THE PAIN, HOW DO PEOPLE COPE?

IN THE MIDST OF THE PAIN, HOW DO PEOPLE COPE?

>> THE REASON I LIKE STAYING IN PEOPLE COPE?

>> THE REASON I LIKE STAYING IN THIS HOUSE, IT'S A SYMBOL.

>> THE REASON I LIKE STAYING IN THIS HOUSE, IT'S A SYMBOL.

I SORT OF FEEL BILL AROUND ME.

THIS HOUSE, IT'S A SYMBOL.

I SORT OF FEEL BILL AROUND ME.

>> Reporter: MONA HANFORD LOST I SORT OF FEEL BILL AROUND ME.

>> Reporter: MONA HANFORD LOST HER HUSBAND BILL LITTLE MORE >> Reporter: MONA HANFORD LOST HER HUSBAND BILL LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO.

HER HUSBAND BILL LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO.

NOW THE MASSIVE CAMELLIA TREE IN THAN A YEAR AGO.

NOW THE MASSIVE CAMELLIA TREE IN HER BACKYARD GIVES HER COMFORT.

NOW THE MASSIVE CAMELLIA TREE IN HER BACKYARD GIVES HER COMFORT.

>> THE CAMELLIA'S SPECIAL HER BACKYARD GIVES HER COMFORT.

>> THE CAMELLIA'S SPECIAL BECAUSE WHEN BILL DIED LAST >> THE CAMELLIA'S SPECIAL BECAUSE WHEN BILL DIED LAST YEAR, HE WAS IN HIS HOSPITAL BECAUSE WHEN BILL DIED LAST YEAR, HE WAS IN HIS HOSPITAL BED, IN THE FAMILY ROOM, LOOKING YEAR, HE WAS IN HIS HOSPITAL BED, IN THE FAMILY ROOM, LOOKING OUT ON THE GARDEN AND THE BED, IN THE FAMILY ROOM, LOOKING OUT ON THE GARDEN AND THE CAMELLIA.

OUT ON THE GARDEN AND THE CAMELLIA.

AND IT BLOOMED JUST AS HE DIED.

CAMELLIA.

AND IT BLOOMED JUST AS HE DIED.

SO ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF HIS AND IT BLOOMED JUST AS HE DIED.

SO ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF HIS DEATH, IT CAME BACK.

SO ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF HIS DEATH, IT CAME BACK.

IT'S SORT OF LIKE BOOKENDS TO MY DEATH, IT CAME BACK.

IT'S SORT OF LIKE BOOKENDS TO MY YEAR.

IT'S SORT OF LIKE BOOKENDS TO MY YEAR.

>> Reporter: IT HAS BEEN OVER YEAR.

>> Reporter: IT HAS BEEN OVER FOUR YEARS SINCE DOLORES ROYSTON >> Reporter: IT HAS BEEN OVER FOUR YEARS SINCE DOLORES ROYSTON LOST HER HUSBAND, PAUL.

FOUR YEARS SINCE DOLORES ROYSTON LOST HER HUSBAND, PAUL.

SHE WILL NEVER FORGET HER LOST HER HUSBAND, PAUL.

SHE WILL NEVER FORGET HER INTENSE LONELINESS AFTER HE SHE WILL NEVER FORGET HER INTENSE LONELINESS AFTER HE DIED.

INTENSE LONELINESS AFTER HE DIED.

>> I THINK THE LONELINESS IS DIED.

>> I THINK THE LONELINESS IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN REALLY >> I THINK THE LONELINESS IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN REALLY PREPARE YOU FOR.

SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN REALLY PREPARE YOU FOR.

THAT LONELINESS, THE EMPTINESS, PREPARE YOU FOR.

THAT LONELINESS, THE EMPTINESS, IS MORE THAN YOU CAN DESCRIBE.

THAT LONELINESS, THE EMPTINESS, IS MORE THAN YOU CAN DESCRIBE.

BECAUSE HE WAS SO CLOSE TO ME IS MORE THAN YOU CAN DESCRIBE.

BECAUSE HE WAS SO CLOSE TO ME AND HE'S MY BEST FRIEND, AND BECAUSE HE WAS SO CLOSE TO ME AND HE'S MY BEST FRIEND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU MISS.

AND HE'S MY BEST FRIEND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU MISS.

>> Reporter: ON GOOD FRIDAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU MISS.

>> Reporter: ON GOOD FRIDAY, MARIANN BUDDE, BISHOP OF THE >> Reporter: ON GOOD FRIDAY, MARIANN BUDDE, BISHOP OF THE EPISCOPAL DIOCESE OF WASHINGTON, MARIANN BUDDE, BISHOP OF THE EPISCOPAL DIOCESE OF WASHINGTON, D.C., DELIVERED A SERMON ABOUT EPISCOPAL DIOCESE OF WASHINGTON, D.C., DELIVERED A SERMON ABOUT LOSS AND GRIEVING.

D.C., DELIVERED A SERMON ABOUT LOSS AND GRIEVING.

>> HOW DO WE BEAR IT?

LOSS AND GRIEVING.

>> HOW DO WE BEAR IT?

HOW DO WE BEAR THE SADNESS?

>> HOW DO WE BEAR IT?

HOW DO WE BEAR THE SADNESS?

I THINK NAMING IT AND HOW DO WE BEAR THE SADNESS?

I THINK NAMING IT AND ACKNOWLEDGING IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

I THINK NAMING IT AND ACKNOWLEDGING IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN TALK ACKNOWLEDGING IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN TALK TO, OR PLACES YOU CAN GO, OR TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN TALK TO, OR PLACES YOU CAN GO, OR RITUALS THAT CAN HELP HOLD OR TO, OR PLACES YOU CAN GO, OR RITUALS THAT CAN HELP HOLD OR CONTAIN THE EMOTION.

RITUALS THAT CAN HELP HOLD OR CONTAIN THE EMOTION.

WE ENDURE THESE LOSSES TIME AND CONTAIN THE EMOTION.

WE ENDURE THESE LOSSES TIME AND AGAIN AND ARE ABLE TO BECOME WE ENDURE THESE LOSSES TIME AND AGAIN AND ARE ABLE TO BECOME LARGE ENOUGH TO HOLD IT AND AGAIN AND ARE ABLE TO BECOME LARGE ENOUGH TO HOLD IT AND CONTINUE ON WITH OUR LIVES.

LARGE ENOUGH TO HOLD IT AND CONTINUE ON WITH OUR LIVES.

>> Reporter: GEORGE BONANNO, CONTINUE ON WITH OUR LIVES.

>> Reporter: GEORGE BONANNO, PSYCHOLOGIST AND AUTHOR OF THE >> Reporter: GEORGE BONANNO, PSYCHOLOGIST AND AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "THE OTHER SIDE OF PSYCHOLOGIST AND AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "THE OTHER SIDE OF SADNESS," SAYS RESEARCH SHOWS BOOK "THE OTHER SIDE OF SADNESS," SAYS RESEARCH SHOWS WHILE 10% TO 15% OF MOURNERS DO SADNESS," SAYS RESEARCH SHOWS WHILE 10% TO 15% OF MOURNERS DO SUFFER DEPRESSION AND MIGHT NEED WHILE 10% TO 15% OF MOURNERS DO SUFFER DEPRESSION AND MIGHT NEED MEDICAL INTERVENTION, FOR THE SUFFER DEPRESSION AND MIGHT NEED MEDICAL INTERVENTION, FOR THE REST, THOUGH THEIR LOSS IS MEDICAL INTERVENTION, FOR THE REST, THOUGH THEIR LOSS IS ALWAYS WITH THEM, THE PAIN REST, THOUGH THEIR LOSS IS ALWAYS WITH THEM, THE PAIN SUBSIDES AND THEY CAN COPE ALWAYS WITH THEM, THE PAIN SUBSIDES AND THEY CAN COPE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HUMANS HAVE SUBSIDES AND THEY CAN COPE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HUMANS HAVE EVOLVED.

BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HUMANS HAVE EVOLVED.

>> BASICALLY HAVING AN ACUTE EVOLVED.

>> BASICALLY HAVING AN ACUTE SADNESS REACTION THAT COMES AND >> BASICALLY HAVING AN ACUTE SADNESS REACTION THAT COMES AND GOES, BUT CONTINUING TO SADNESS REACTION THAT COMES AND GOES, BUT CONTINUING TO FUNCTION, BEING ABLE TO TALK TO GOES, BUT CONTINUING TO FUNCTION, BEING ABLE TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE AND CARE FOR OTHER FUNCTION, BEING ABLE TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE AND CARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE AND CONCENTRATE AND DO OTHER PEOPLE AND CARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE AND CONCENTRATE AND DO WHATEVER JOB YOU NEED TO DO.

PEOPLE AND CONCENTRATE AND DO WHATEVER JOB YOU NEED TO DO.

I THINK THIS COMES FROM OUR WHATEVER JOB YOU NEED TO DO.

I THINK THIS COMES FROM OUR BIOLOGICAL WIRING.

I THINK THIS COMES FROM OUR BIOLOGICAL WIRING.

THESE BIOLOGICAL AND ADAPTIVE BIOLOGICAL WIRING.

THESE BIOLOGICAL AND ADAPTIVE SYSTEMS ARE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE THESE BIOLOGICAL AND ADAPTIVE SYSTEMS ARE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AND THEY ALLOW US TO COPE WITH SYSTEMS ARE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AND THEY ALLOW US TO COPE WITH THINGS.

AND THEY ALLOW US TO COPE WITH THINGS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE THE THINGS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.

WE'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.

>> Reporter: COPING THOUGH WAS BEGINNING OF TIME.

>> Reporter: COPING THOUGH WAS SOMETHING DANIEL PEREZ COULD NOT >> Reporter: COPING THOUGH WAS SOMETHING DANIEL PEREZ COULD NOT MANAGE WHEN HIS DAUGHTER EMILY, SOMETHING DANIEL PEREZ COULD NOT MANAGE WHEN HIS DAUGHTER EMILY, A WEST POINT GRADUATE, WAS MANAGE WHEN HIS DAUGHTER EMILY, A WEST POINT GRADUATE, WAS KILLED WHILE SERVING IN IRAQ.

A WEST POINT GRADUATE, WAS KILLED WHILE SERVING IN IRAQ.

>> I OPENED THE DOOR, AND THERE KILLED WHILE SERVING IN IRAQ.

>> I OPENED THE DOOR, AND THERE WAS TWO PEOPLE IN UNIFORM >> I OPENED THE DOOR, AND THERE WAS TWO PEOPLE IN UNIFORM STANDING THERE.

WAS TWO PEOPLE IN UNIFORM STANDING THERE.

I JUST CLOSED THE DOOR AND SAID STANDING THERE.

I JUST CLOSED THE DOOR AND SAID Y'ALL GOT THE WRONG HOUSE.

I JUST CLOSED THE DOOR AND SAID Y'ALL GOT THE WRONG HOUSE.

>> Reporter: AFTER THE INITIAL Y'ALL GOT THE WRONG HOUSE.

>> Reporter: AFTER THE INITIAL SHOCK, PEREZ SAYS HE WAS SO >> Reporter: AFTER THE INITIAL SHOCK, PEREZ SAYS HE WAS SO CONSUMED TENDING TO HIS SHOCK, PEREZ SAYS HE WAS SO CONSUMED TENDING TO HIS DAUGHTER'S BURIAL AND PERSONAL CONSUMED TENDING TO HIS DAUGHTER'S BURIAL AND PERSONAL EFFECTS AND TAKING CARE OF HIS DAUGHTER'S BURIAL AND PERSONAL EFFECTS AND TAKING CARE OF HIS WIFE VICKI, HE COULD NOT REALLY EFFECTS AND TAKING CARE OF HIS WIFE VICKI, HE COULD NOT REALLY TAKE TIME TO MOURN.

WIFE VICKI, HE COULD NOT REALLY TAKE TIME TO MOURN.

UNTIL ONE DAY -- TAKE TIME TO MOURN.

UNTIL ONE DAY -- >> I WENT OUT TO THE MAILBOX AND UNTIL ONE DAY -- >> I WENT OUT TO THE MAILBOX AND THERE WAS A BIG BROWN ENVELOPE >> I WENT OUT TO THE MAILBOX AND THERE WAS A BIG BROWN ENVELOPE AND IT WAS ACTUALLY ADDRESSED TO THERE WAS A BIG BROWN ENVELOPE AND IT WAS ACTUALLY ADDRESSED TO ME.

AND IT WAS ACTUALLY ADDRESSED TO ME.

AND WHEN I OPENED IT, IT WAS ME.

AND WHEN I OPENED IT, IT WAS 20 OR 30 LETTERS THAT WERE AND WHEN I OPENED IT, IT WAS 20 OR 30 LETTERS THAT WERE WRITTEN BY AN ELEMENTARY CLASS, 20 OR 30 LETTERS THAT WERE WRITTEN BY AN ELEMENTARY CLASS, ADDRESSED TO THE FATHER.

WRITTEN BY AN ELEMENTARY CLASS, ADDRESSED TO THE FATHER.

SO THEN, THAT'S KIND OF WHEN ADDRESSED TO THE FATHER.

SO THEN, THAT'S KIND OF WHEN EVERYTHING KIND OF FLOODED OUT SO THEN, THAT'S KIND OF WHEN EVERYTHING KIND OF FLOODED OUT THEN.

EVERYTHING KIND OF FLOODED OUT THEN.

YEAH.

THEN.

YEAH.

>> Reporter: FOR VICKI, YEAH.

>> Reporter: FOR VICKI, GRIEF-IMMEDIATE AND >> Reporter: FOR VICKI, GRIEF-IMMEDIATE AND OVERWHELMING-SOON UNDERMINED HER GRIEF-IMMEDIATE AND OVERWHELMING-SOON UNDERMINED HER ONCE DEEP FAITH.

OVERWHELMING-SOON UNDERMINED HER ONCE DEEP FAITH.

>> I HAD A FIGHT WITH GOD.

ONCE DEEP FAITH.

>> I HAD A FIGHT WITH GOD.

I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DID WHAT >> I HAD A FIGHT WITH GOD.

I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DID WHAT YOU TOLD ME TO.

I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DID WHAT YOU TOLD ME TO.

THE CHILD HAD INCREDIBLE FAITH, YOU TOLD ME TO.

THE CHILD HAD INCREDIBLE FAITH, AND SHE HONORED US JUST BY THE THE CHILD HAD INCREDIBLE FAITH, AND SHE HONORED US JUST BY THE THINGS SHE DID—HIV/AIDS MINISTRY AND SHE HONORED US JUST BY THE THINGS SHE DID—HIV/AIDS MINISTRY STARTED AT THE CHURCH, IN THE THINGS SHE DID—HIV/AIDS MINISTRY STARTED AT THE CHURCH, IN THE CHOIR, TUTORING.

STARTED AT THE CHURCH, IN THE CHOIR, TUTORING.

SHE BROUGHT HONOR TO HER MOTHER CHOIR, TUTORING.

SHE BROUGHT HONOR TO HER MOTHER AND HER FATHER, SHE BROUGHT SHE BROUGHT HONOR TO HER MOTHER AND HER FATHER, SHE BROUGHT HONOR TO THE WHOLE FAMILY.

AND HER FATHER, SHE BROUGHT HONOR TO THE WHOLE FAMILY.

AND YET, YOU DECIDE THAT, YOU HONOR TO THE WHOLE FAMILY.

AND YET, YOU DECIDE THAT, YOU ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN, NOT AND YET, YOU DECIDE THAT, YOU ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN, NOT DECIDED, YOU ALLOWED THIS TO ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN, NOT DECIDED, YOU ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN, AND SO MY FAITH WAS DECIDED, YOU ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN, AND SO MY FAITH WAS SHOOK.

HAPPEN, AND SO MY FAITH WAS SHOOK.

>> Reporter: VICKI'S RESPONSE IS SHOOK.

>> Reporter: VICKI'S RESPONSE IS NOT UNUSUAL, SAYS KENNETH >> Reporter: VICKI'S RESPONSE IS NOT UNUSUAL, SAYS KENNETH PARGAMENT, A CLINICAL NOT UNUSUAL, SAYS KENNETH PARGAMENT, A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST AT BOWLING GREEN PARGAMENT, A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST AT BOWLING GREEN UNIVERSITY WHO HAS STUDIED PSYCHOLOGIST AT BOWLING GREEN UNIVERSITY WHO HAS STUDIED GRIEVING AND RELIGION.

UNIVERSITY WHO HAS STUDIED GRIEVING AND RELIGION.

>> A TRAUMA CAN CALL INTO GRIEVING AND RELIGION.

>> A TRAUMA CAN CALL INTO QUESTION ONE'S ENTIRE >> A TRAUMA CAN CALL INTO QUESTION ONE'S ENTIRE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT LIFE, WHETHER QUESTION ONE'S ENTIRE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT LIFE, WHETHER LIFE IS GOOD, WHETHER THERE IS A ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT LIFE, WHETHER LIFE IS GOOD, WHETHER THERE IS A GOD WHO CARES, WHETHER THERE'S LIFE IS GOOD, WHETHER THERE IS A GOD WHO CARES, WHETHER THERE'S REASONS TO BE HOPEFUL ABOUT GOD WHO CARES, WHETHER THERE'S REASONS TO BE HOPEFUL ABOUT OURSELVES, WHETHER OUR LIVES REASONS TO BE HOPEFUL ABOUT OURSELVES, WHETHER OUR LIVES HAVE ANY MEANING AT ALL.

OURSELVES, WHETHER OUR LIVES HAVE ANY MEANING AT ALL.

>> Reporter: FOR DOLORES, A HAVE ANY MEANING AT ALL.

>> Reporter: FOR DOLORES, A STRONG FAITH NEVER WAVERED.

>> Reporter: FOR DOLORES, A STRONG FAITH NEVER WAVERED.

INDEED, SHE SAYS, IT GREW STRONG FAITH NEVER WAVERED.

INDEED, SHE SAYS, IT GREW STRONGER AS DID HER BELIEF IN AN INDEED, SHE SAYS, IT GREW STRONGER AS DID HER BELIEF IN AN AFTERLIFE.

STRONGER AS DID HER BELIEF IN AN AFTERLIFE.

>> I BELIEVE FIRMLY IN AN AFTERLIFE.

>> I BELIEVE FIRMLY IN AN AFTERLIFE.

>> I BELIEVE FIRMLY IN AN AFTERLIFE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING ON THIS AFTERLIFE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING ON THIS EARTH, GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU GO I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING ON THIS EARTH, GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU GO THROUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH MY EARTH, GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU GO THROUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH MY HUSBAND'S ILLNESS, AND NOT HAVE THROUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH MY HUSBAND'S ILLNESS, AND NOT HAVE A BETTER REWARD SOMEWHERE.

HUSBAND'S ILLNESS, AND NOT HAVE A BETTER REWARD SOMEWHERE.

>> Reporter: LIKEWISE FOR A BETTER REWARD SOMEWHERE.

>> Reporter: LIKEWISE FOR CYNTHIA WOODS, STILL SADDENED BY >> Reporter: LIKEWISE FOR CYNTHIA WOODS, STILL SADDENED BY HER MOTHER'S DEATH 8 MONTHS AGO CYNTHIA WOODS, STILL SADDENED BY HER MOTHER'S DEATH 8 MONTHS AGO BUT NOW ALSO AT PEACE.

HER MOTHER'S DEATH 8 MONTHS AGO BUT NOW ALSO AT PEACE.

>> WHEN I SAW HER AFTER SHE HAD BUT NOW ALSO AT PEACE.

>> WHEN I SAW HER AFTER SHE HAD PASSED, THERE WAS A GLOW ON HER >> WHEN I SAW HER AFTER SHE HAD PASSED, THERE WAS A GLOW ON HER FACE.

PASSED, THERE WAS A GLOW ON HER FACE.

SHE WAS LOOKING UP AND OFF AS IF FACE.

SHE WAS LOOKING UP AND OFF AS IF SHE WAS SEEING JESUS AND BEING SHE WAS LOOKING UP AND OFF AS IF SHE WAS SEEING JESUS AND BEING RECEIVED.

SHE WAS SEEING JESUS AND BEING RECEIVED.

AND THAT JUST SOLIDIFIED MY RECEIVED.

AND THAT JUST SOLIDIFIED MY FAITH IN WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, AND THAT JUST SOLIDIFIED MY FAITH IN WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, THAT OUR LIFE IN CHRIST HERE IS FAITH IN WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, THAT OUR LIFE IN CHRIST HERE IS NOT IN VAIN.

THAT OUR LIFE IN CHRIST HERE IS NOT IN VAIN.

AND THAT WE WILL SEE HER AGAIN.

NOT IN VAIN.

AND THAT WE WILL SEE HER AGAIN.

BUT SHE IS AT HER REWARD.

AND THAT WE WILL SEE HER AGAIN.

BUT SHE IS AT HER REWARD.

>> Reporter: EXPERTS AGREE THERE BUT SHE IS AT HER REWARD.

>> Reporter: EXPERTS AGREE THERE IS NO ONE WAY, NO RIGHT OR WRONG >> Reporter: EXPERTS AGREE THERE IS NO ONE WAY, NO RIGHT OR WRONG WAY, TO GRIEVE.

IS NO ONE WAY, NO RIGHT OR WRONG WAY, TO GRIEVE.

AND THE NOTION THAT THERE'S A WAY, TO GRIEVE.

AND THE NOTION THAT THERE'S A SET OF STAGES OF GRIEF—DENIAL, AND THE NOTION THAT THERE'S A SET OF STAGES OF GRIEF—DENIAL, ANGER, DEPRESSION, BARGAINING SET OF STAGES OF GRIEF—DENIAL, ANGER, DEPRESSION, BARGAINING AND ACCEPTANCE, STAGES ANGER, DEPRESSION, BARGAINING AND ACCEPTANCE, STAGES POPULARIZED BY ELIZABETH KUBLER AND ACCEPTANCE, STAGES POPULARIZED BY ELIZABETH KUBLER ROSS-HAS BEEN CHALLENGED, EVEN POPULARIZED BY ELIZABETH KUBLER ROSS-HAS BEEN CHALLENGED, EVEN DISCREDITED.

ROSS-HAS BEEN CHALLENGED, EVEN DISCREDITED.

>> LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED DISCREDITED.

>> LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED US IN THE PAST TO POINT OUT THAT >> LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED US IN THE PAST TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S REALLY BEEN HARMFUL TO THEM US IN THE PAST TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S REALLY BEEN HARMFUL TO THEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO THROUGH IT'S REALLY BEEN HARMFUL TO THEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO THROUGH ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT AND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO THROUGH ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT AND THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT AND THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY SHOULD OR THERE MUST BE THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY SHOULD OR THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY SHOULD OR THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.

SOMETHING WRONG BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.

THEY'VE CONTACTED ME TO SAY, NOT.

THEY'VE CONTACTED ME TO SAY, "THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT THEY'VE CONTACTED ME TO SAY, "THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN FINE AND "THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN FINE AND EVERYBODY KEEPS TELLING ME BECAUSE I'VE BEEN FINE AND EVERYBODY KEEPS TELLING ME THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG."

EVERYBODY KEEPS TELLING ME THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG."

>> Reporter: OF COURSE FOR MANY THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG."

>> Reporter: OF COURSE FOR MANY PEOPLE, RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS, >> Reporter: OF COURSE FOR MANY PEOPLE, RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS, ESPECIALLY RITUALS, HELP MAKE PEOPLE, RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS, ESPECIALLY RITUALS, HELP MAKE GRIEVING ENDURABLE.

ESPECIALLY RITUALS, HELP MAKE GRIEVING ENDURABLE.

>> IN THESE TIMES THEN, WE NEED GRIEVING ENDURABLE.

>> IN THESE TIMES THEN, WE NEED THE RITUALS TO HELP US NEGOTIATE >> IN THESE TIMES THEN, WE NEED THE RITUALS TO HELP US NEGOTIATE THIS BRIDGE BETWEEN NORMAL THE RITUALS TO HELP US NEGOTIATE THIS BRIDGE BETWEEN NORMAL PERSON AND MOURNER, BETWEEN THIS BRIDGE BETWEEN NORMAL PERSON AND MOURNER, BETWEEN LIVING AND DEATH.

PERSON AND MOURNER, BETWEEN LIVING AND DEATH.

SO WE NEED RITUALS TO HELP US LIVING AND DEATH.

SO WE NEED RITUALS TO HELP US FACILITATE THE TRANSITION AND SO WE NEED RITUALS TO HELP US FACILITATE THE TRANSITION AND YET SUSTAIN OURSELVES AT THE FACILITATE THE TRANSITION AND YET SUSTAIN OURSELVES AT THE SAME TIME.

YET SUSTAIN OURSELVES AT THE SAME TIME.

RELIGIOUS RITUALS SERVE THE SAME TIME.

RELIGIOUS RITUALS SERVE THE PURPOSE OF BOTH CONTINUITY AND RELIGIOUS RITUALS SERVE THE PURPOSE OF BOTH CONTINUITY AND CHANGE.

PURPOSE OF BOTH CONTINUITY AND CHANGE.

>> Reporter: FOR MONA HANFORD, CHANGE.

>> Reporter: FOR MONA HANFORD, BUTTERFLIES, REPRESENTING HOPE, >> Reporter: FOR MONA HANFORD, BUTTERFLIES, REPRESENTING HOPE, BECAME A SPIRITUAL SYMBOL.

BUTTERFLIES, REPRESENTING HOPE, BECAME A SPIRITUAL SYMBOL.

>> WE HAD THESE BUTTERFLIES ON BECAME A SPIRITUAL SYMBOL.

>> WE HAD THESE BUTTERFLIES ON THE ALTAR.

>> WE HAD THESE BUTTERFLIES ON THE ALTAR.

WE HAD HUNDREDS OF THEM.

THE ALTAR.

WE HAD HUNDREDS OF THEM.

>> Reporter: AND SOME PEOPLE, WE HAD HUNDREDS OF THEM.

>> Reporter: AND SOME PEOPLE, LIKE JEANNE AND LIVIA KENT, >> Reporter: AND SOME PEOPLE, LIKE JEANNE AND LIVIA KENT, CREATE THEIR OWN SYMBOLS.

LIKE JEANNE AND LIVIA KENT, CREATE THEIR OWN SYMBOLS.

WHEN CHARLES, JEANNE'S HUSBAND CREATE THEIR OWN SYMBOLS.

WHEN CHARLES, JEANNE'S HUSBAND AND LIVIA'S FATHER, DIED A WHEN CHARLES, JEANNE'S HUSBAND AND LIVIA'S FATHER, DIED A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, AND LIVIA'S FATHER, DIED A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, THEY DEVISED A MEMORIAL SERVICE LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, THEY DEVISED A MEMORIAL SERVICE THREE MONTHS LATER TO CELEBRATE THEY DEVISED A MEMORIAL SERVICE THREE MONTHS LATER TO CELEBRATE HIS LIFE.

THREE MONTHS LATER TO CELEBRATE HIS LIFE.

>> PREPARING FOR THE SERVICE WAS HIS LIFE.

>> PREPARING FOR THE SERVICE WAS WONDERFUL AND IT WAS A COMFORT >> PREPARING FOR THE SERVICE WAS WONDERFUL AND IT WAS A COMFORT AND IT WAS BEING CREATIVE AND IT WONDERFUL AND IT WAS A COMFORT AND IT WAS BEING CREATIVE AND IT WAS ACCESSING MY CREATIVE AND IT WAS BEING CREATIVE AND IT WAS ACCESSING MY CREATIVE ENERGIES THAT HELPED RELEASE MY WAS ACCESSING MY CREATIVE ENERGIES THAT HELPED RELEASE MY SORROW.

ENERGIES THAT HELPED RELEASE MY SORROW.

>> NOTHING WAS IMPOSED UPON US.

SORROW.

>> NOTHING WAS IMPOSED UPON US.

WE HAD THIS WONDERFUL FREEDOM TO >> NOTHING WAS IMPOSED UPON US.

WE HAD THIS WONDERFUL FREEDOM TO JUST PULL FROM OUR HEARTS AND WE HAD THIS WONDERFUL FREEDOM TO JUST PULL FROM OUR HEARTS AND WHAT WAS MEANINGFUL FOR US, AND JUST PULL FROM OUR HEARTS AND WHAT WAS MEANINGFUL FOR US, AND CREATE A SPLENDID CELEBRATION WHAT WAS MEANINGFUL FOR US, AND CREATE A SPLENDID CELEBRATION FOR THIS MAN.

CREATE A SPLENDID CELEBRATION FOR THIS MAN.

THERE WERE MANY RITUALS THAT WE FOR THIS MAN.

THERE WERE MANY RITUALS THAT WE JUST MADE UP.

THERE WERE MANY RITUALS THAT WE JUST MADE UP.

>> DEAR DANIEL AND VICKI, WITH JUST MADE UP.

>> DEAR DANIEL AND VICKI, WITH THE DEEPEST SYMPATHY, YOU ARE IN >> DEAR DANIEL AND VICKI, WITH THE DEEPEST SYMPATHY, YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS WISHING YOU PEACE AT THE DEEPEST SYMPATHY, YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS WISHING YOU PEACE AT THIS TIME OF SORROW.

MY PRAYERS WISHING YOU PEACE AT THIS TIME OF SORROW.

>> Reporter: THESE DAYS DANIEL THIS TIME OF SORROW.

>> Reporter: THESE DAYS DANIEL PEREZ COPES WITH HIS GRIEF BY >> Reporter: THESE DAYS DANIEL PEREZ COPES WITH HIS GRIEF BY TURNING TO AN IMAGINARY BOX.

PEREZ COPES WITH HIS GRIEF BY TURNING TO AN IMAGINARY BOX.

>> EVERY NOW AND THEN I PULL THE TURNING TO AN IMAGINARY BOX.

>> EVERY NOW AND THEN I PULL THE BOX OUT.

>> EVERY NOW AND THEN I PULL THE BOX OUT.

I'LL HAVE MY MOMENT, I'LL SHED BOX OUT.

I'LL HAVE MY MOMENT, I'LL SHED SOME TEARS, AND THEN I CLOSE THE I'LL HAVE MY MOMENT, I'LL SHED SOME TEARS, AND THEN I CLOSE THE BOX BACK UP.

SOME TEARS, AND THEN I CLOSE THE BOX BACK UP.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BOX BACK UP.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER GO AWAY, I JUST HAD TO SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER GO AWAY, I JUST HAD TO LEARN HOW TO MANAGE IT SO THAT NEVER GO AWAY, I JUST HAD TO LEARN HOW TO MANAGE IT SO THAT IT WOULDN'T OVERTAKE ME.

LEARN HOW TO MANAGE IT SO THAT IT WOULDN'T OVERTAKE ME.

>> Reporter: HOWEVER MOURNING IS IT WOULDN'T OVERTAKE ME.

>> Reporter: HOWEVER MOURNING IS EXPRESSED, THE PROCESS ALMOST >> Reporter: HOWEVER MOURNING IS EXPRESSED, THE PROCESS ALMOST INVARIABLY CHANGES ATTITUDES, EXPRESSED, THE PROCESS ALMOST INVARIABLY CHANGES ATTITUDES, EVEN LIVES.

INVARIABLY CHANGES ATTITUDES, EVEN LIVES.

>> TIME AND AGAIN YOU'LL HEAR EVEN LIVES.

>> TIME AND AGAIN YOU'LL HEAR PEOPLE SAY, "YOU KNOW, AFTER >> TIME AND AGAIN YOU'LL HEAR PEOPLE SAY, "YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS HAPPENED, I MADE A COURSE PEOPLE SAY, "YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS HAPPENED, I MADE A COURSE CORRECTION BECAUSE I REALIZED THIS HAPPENED, I MADE A COURSE CORRECTION BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT LIFE IS PRECIOUS AND I'M CORRECTION BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT LIFE IS PRECIOUS AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND MY TIME ON THAT LIFE IS PRECIOUS AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND MY TIME ON THINGS THAT THIS LITTLE TIME NOT GOING TO SPEND MY TIME ON THINGS THAT THIS LITTLE TIME THAT I HAVE LEFT, I'M NOT GOING THINGS THAT THIS LITTLE TIME THAT I HAVE LEFT, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND IT ON THE THINGS THAT THAT I HAVE LEFT, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND IT ON THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT OF ULTIMATE IMPORTANCE TO SPEND IT ON THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT OF ULTIMATE IMPORTANCE TO ME."

ARE NOT OF ULTIMATE IMPORTANCE TO ME."

>> STRIPPING YOURSELF OF ALL THE TO ME."

>> STRIPPING YOURSELF OF ALL THE THINGS THAT AREN'T IMPORTANT >> STRIPPING YOURSELF OF ALL THE THINGS THAT AREN'T IMPORTANT ANYMORE.

THINGS THAT AREN'T IMPORTANT ANYMORE.

IT JUST TELLS ME THAT THERE IS A ANYMORE.

IT JUST TELLS ME THAT THERE IS A GOD AND HE'S CLOSE TO ME AND IT JUST TELLS ME THAT THERE IS A GOD AND HE'S CLOSE TO ME AND HE'S HELPING ME.

GOD AND HE'S CLOSE TO ME AND HE'S HELPING ME.

>> I'M A DIFFERENT PERSON AND HE'S HELPING ME.

>> I'M A DIFFERENT PERSON AND STRONGER PERSON AND A MORE >> I'M A DIFFERENT PERSON AND STRONGER PERSON AND A MORE COMPASSIONATE PERSON.

STRONGER PERSON AND A MORE COMPASSIONATE PERSON.

I THINK A MORE KNOWING PERSON COMPASSIONATE PERSON.

I THINK A MORE KNOWING PERSON DEEP DOWN.

I THINK A MORE KNOWING PERSON DEEP DOWN.

>> Reporter: FOR DANIEL PEREZ, DEEP DOWN.

>> Reporter: FOR DANIEL PEREZ, FAITH, ONCE SHAKEN, WAS >> Reporter: FOR DANIEL PEREZ, FAITH, ONCE SHAKEN, WAS EVENTUALLY RESTORED.

FAITH, ONCE SHAKEN, WAS EVENTUALLY RESTORED.

>> YOU WIND UP ACCEPTING WHAT EVENTUALLY RESTORED.

>> YOU WIND UP ACCEPTING WHAT HAPPENED KNOWING THAT YOU HAD NO >> YOU WIND UP ACCEPTING WHAT HAPPENED KNOWING THAT YOU HAD NO CONTROL OVER IT AND YOU NEVER HAPPENED KNOWING THAT YOU HAD NO CONTROL OVER IT AND YOU NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY GOD DOES WHAT HE CONTROL OVER IT AND YOU NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY GOD DOES WHAT HE DOES.

UNDERSTAND WHY GOD DOES WHAT HE DOES.

SO YOU WIND UP I GUESS ACCEPTING DOES.

SO YOU WIND UP I GUESS ACCEPTING THAT OKAY, THIS HAPPENED, NOW SO YOU WIND UP I GUESS ACCEPTING THAT OKAY, THIS HAPPENED, NOW WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT?

THAT OKAY, THIS HAPPENED, NOW WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT?

>> Reporter: SETTING UP A WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT?

>> Reporter: SETTING UP A FOUNDATION, ESTABLISHED IN >> Reporter: SETTING UP A FOUNDATION, ESTABLISHED IN EMILY'S NAME TO HELP YOUNG FOUNDATION, ESTABLISHED IN EMILY'S NAME TO HELP YOUNG WOMEN, HAS HELPED DANIEL AND HIS EMILY'S NAME TO HELP YOUNG WOMEN, HAS HELPED DANIEL AND HIS WIFE TO MANAGE THEIR GRIEF AND WOMEN, HAS HELPED DANIEL AND HIS WIFE TO MANAGE THEIR GRIEF AND START LIVING AGAIN.

WIFE TO MANAGE THEIR GRIEF AND START LIVING AGAIN.

>> I HAVE JOY, I GOT MY JOY START LIVING AGAIN.

>> I HAVE JOY, I GOT MY JOY BACK.

>> I HAVE JOY, I GOT MY JOY BACK.

IT'S JUST A GOOD FEELING THAT BACK.

IT'S JUST A GOOD FEELING THAT SHE LIVES ON THROUGH US.

IT'S JUST A GOOD FEELING THAT SHE LIVES ON THROUGH US.

EMILY FORCES US TO REACH OUT AND SHE LIVES ON THROUGH US.

EMILY FORCES US TO REACH OUT AND HELP OTHERS AND THIS IS WHAT SHE EMILY FORCES US TO REACH OUT AND HELP OTHERS AND THIS IS WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE US TO DO, SO HELP OTHERS AND THIS IS WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE US TO DO, SO THEREFORE, WE DO IT.

WOULD HAVE US TO DO, SO THEREFORE, WE DO IT.

>> Reporter: SO THE LOSS OF A THEREFORE, WE DO IT.

>> Reporter: SO THE LOSS OF A LOVED ONE CAN BE THE CLOSING OF >> Reporter: SO THE LOSS OF A LOVED ONE CAN BE THE CLOSING OF ONE DOOR AND THE OPENING OF LOVED ONE CAN BE THE CLOSING OF ONE DOOR AND THE OPENING OF ANOTHER.

ONE DOOR AND THE OPENING OF ANOTHER.

>> WE BECOME LESS HUMAN, I ANOTHER.

>> WE BECOME LESS HUMAN, I THINK, IF WE DON'T TEND TO GRIEF >> WE BECOME LESS HUMAN, I THINK, IF WE DON'T TEND TO GRIEF IN AN OPEN- HEARTED AND GENEROUS THINK, IF WE DON'T TEND TO GRIEF IN AN OPEN- HEARTED AND GENEROUS WAY.

IN AN OPEN- HEARTED AND GENEROUS WAY.

WE PICK UP AND FACE INTO THAT WAY.

WE PICK UP AND FACE INTO THAT ABYSS AND SAY YET I WILL LIVE.

WE PICK UP AND FACE INTO THAT ABYSS AND SAY YET I WILL LIVE.

YET I WILL PASS ON LIFE AND JOY, ABYSS AND SAY YET I WILL LIVE.

YET I WILL PASS ON LIFE AND JOY, EVEN IF I CAN'T KNOW IT MYSELF, YET I WILL PASS ON LIFE AND JOY, EVEN IF I CAN'T KNOW IT MYSELF, I WILL ENSURE THAT OTHERS WILL, EVEN IF I CAN'T KNOW IT MYSELF, I WILL ENSURE THAT OTHERS WILL, AND I WILL FIND MY GREATER I WILL ENSURE THAT OTHERS WILL, AND I WILL FIND MY GREATER MEANING IN THAT.

AND I WILL FIND MY GREATER MEANING IN THAT.

>> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION AND MEANING IN THAT.

>> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS BOB >> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS BOB FAW IN WASHINGTON, D.C. ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS BOB FAW IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >>> WE HAVE A FRED DE SAM LAZARO FAW IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >>> WE HAVE A FRED DE SAM LAZARO STORY TODAY ON THE COWS OF >>> WE HAVE A FRED DE SAM LAZARO STORY TODAY ON THE COWS OF INDIA.

STORY TODAY ON THE COWS OF INDIA.

HINDU TRADITIONS TEACH THAT COWS INDIA.

HINDU TRADITIONS TEACH THAT COWS ARE SACRED.

HINDU TRADITIONS TEACH THAT COWS ARE SACRED.

SO INDIANS SHARE EVEN THEIR MOST ARE SACRED.

SO INDIANS SHARE EVEN THEIR MOST MODERN CITIES WITH MANY SO INDIANS SHARE EVEN THEIR MOST MODERN CITIES WITH MANY THOUSANDS OF COWS.

MODERN CITIES WITH MANY THOUSANDS OF COWS.

HINDUS PROTECT THEM IN THE THOUSANDS OF COWS.

HINDUS PROTECT THEM IN THE STREETS AND TAKE CARE OF THEM HINDUS PROTECT THEM IN THE STREETS AND TAKE CARE OF THEM UNTIL THEY DIE.

STREETS AND TAKE CARE OF THEM UNTIL THEY DIE.

>> Reporter: IT MAY LOOK LIKE AN UNTIL THEY DIE.

>> Reporter: IT MAY LOOK LIKE AN UNUSUAL PETTING ZOO BUT THIS IS >> Reporter: IT MAY LOOK LIKE AN UNUSUAL PETTING ZOO BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A PLACE OF REVERENCE TO UNUSUAL PETTING ZOO BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A PLACE OF REVERENCE TO MANY PEOPLE IN INDIA.

ACTUALLY A PLACE OF REVERENCE TO MANY PEOPLE IN INDIA.

THIS GOWSHALA, OR COW SHELTER, MANY PEOPLE IN INDIA.

THIS GOWSHALA, OR COW SHELTER, IS ONE OF THREE IN INDIA'S THIS GOWSHALA, OR COW SHELTER, IS ONE OF THREE IN INDIA'S CAPITAL, DELHI.

IS ONE OF THREE IN INDIA'S CAPITAL, DELHI.

IT SERVES AS BOTH BARN AND CAPITAL, DELHI.

IT SERVES AS BOTH BARN AND SANCTUARY FOR 6,000 URBAN COWS.

IT SERVES AS BOTH BARN AND SANCTUARY FOR 6,000 URBAN COWS.

MOST ARE ABANDONED BY THEIR SANCTUARY FOR 6,000 URBAN COWS.

MOST ARE ABANDONED BY THEIR OWNERS TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES IN MOST ARE ABANDONED BY THEIR OWNERS TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES IN A MEGA CITY OF 17 MILLION.

OWNERS TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES IN A MEGA CITY OF 17 MILLION.

>> IN THE HINDU RELIGION, IF YOU A MEGA CITY OF 17 MILLION.

>> IN THE HINDU RELIGION, IF YOU TAKE CARE OF COWS, YOUR FAMILY >> IN THE HINDU RELIGION, IF YOU TAKE CARE OF COWS, YOUR FAMILY WILL PROSPER AND YOU WILL HAVE TAKE CARE OF COWS, YOUR FAMILY WILL PROSPER AND YOU WILL HAVE PEACE.

WILL PROSPER AND YOU WILL HAVE PEACE.

YOUR CHILDREN WILL HAVE A GOOD PEACE.

YOUR CHILDREN WILL HAVE A GOOD SPIRITUAL LIFE.

YOUR CHILDREN WILL HAVE A GOOD SPIRITUAL LIFE.

GOD WILL LOOK AFTER THEM.

SPIRITUAL LIFE.

GOD WILL LOOK AFTER THEM.

>> Reporter: COWS ARE CONSIDERED GOD WILL LOOK AFTER THEM.

>> Reporter: COWS ARE CONSIDERED SACRED IN HINDUISM.

>> Reporter: COWS ARE CONSIDERED SACRED IN HINDUISM.

THEY'RE THE FAVORITE ANIMAL OF SACRED IN HINDUISM.

THEY'RE THE FAVORITE ANIMAL OF THE DEITY LORD KRISHNA, AND A THEY'RE THE FAVORITE ANIMAL OF THE DEITY LORD KRISHNA, AND A SYMBOL OF WEALTH, STRENGTH AND THE DEITY LORD KRISHNA, AND A SYMBOL OF WEALTH, STRENGTH AND ABUNDANCE.

SYMBOL OF WEALTH, STRENGTH AND ABUNDANCE.

THE COW'S SPIRITUAL SIGNIFICANCE ABUNDANCE.

THE COW'S SPIRITUAL SIGNIFICANCE IS LIKELY ALSO TIED TO IT'S VERY THE COW'S SPIRITUAL SIGNIFICANCE IS LIKELY ALSO TIED TO IT'S VERY PRACTICAL ROLE IN INDIA SINCE IS LIKELY ALSO TIED TO IT'S VERY PRACTICAL ROLE IN INDIA SINCE ANCIENT TIMES.

PRACTICAL ROLE IN INDIA SINCE ANCIENT TIMES.

>> MUCH OF THE TRADITIONS AND ANCIENT TIMES.

>> MUCH OF THE TRADITIONS AND RITUALS HAVE GROWN OUT OF >> MUCH OF THE TRADITIONS AND RITUALS HAVE GROWN OUT OF UTILITY.

RITUALS HAVE GROWN OUT OF UTILITY.

ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT AWARE OF THE UTILITY.

ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT AWARE OF THE SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND OF THESE ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT AWARE OF THE SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND OF THESE MATTERS OR THE CORRECT MYTHOLOGY SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND OF THESE MATTERS OR THE CORRECT MYTHOLOGY OF CERTAIN TRADITIONS, BUT THE MATTERS OR THE CORRECT MYTHOLOGY OF CERTAIN TRADITIONS, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS EVERY OF CERTAIN TRADITIONS, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS EVERY RITUAL, EVERY RITE, EVERY TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS EVERY RITUAL, EVERY RITE, EVERY TRADITION HAD A STRONG RITUAL, EVERY RITE, EVERY TRADITION HAD A STRONG SCIENTIFIC BASIS.

TRADITION HAD A STRONG SCIENTIFIC BASIS.

IT WAS BASED ON MORAL LAW, SCIENTIFIC BASIS.

IT WAS BASED ON MORAL LAW, NATURAL LAW, COSMIC LAW, DIVINE IT WAS BASED ON MORAL LAW, NATURAL LAW, COSMIC LAW, DIVINE LAW, MORAL TRADITIONS.

NATURAL LAW, COSMIC LAW, DIVINE LAW, MORAL TRADITIONS.

>> Reporter: VERMA SAYS THE LAW, MORAL TRADITIONS.

>> Reporter: VERMA SAYS THE VENERATION OF COWS QUITE LIKELY >> Reporter: VERMA SAYS THE VENERATION OF COWS QUITE LIKELY TRACES BACK MILLENNIA AND TO ITS VENERATION OF COWS QUITE LIKELY TRACES BACK MILLENNIA AND TO ITS UTILITY—ON FARMS, FOR TRACES BACK MILLENNIA AND TO ITS UTILITY—ON FARMS, FOR TRANSPORTATION.

UTILITY—ON FARMS, FOR TRANSPORTATION.

COW'S MILK, BUTTER, AND YOGURT TRANSPORTATION.

COW'S MILK, BUTTER, AND YOGURT ARE IMPORTANT SOURCES OF PROTEIN COW'S MILK, BUTTER, AND YOGURT ARE IMPORTANT SOURCES OF PROTEIN IN A VEGETARIAN DIET, BY WHICH ARE IMPORTANT SOURCES OF PROTEIN IN A VEGETARIAN DIET, BY WHICH MANY HINDUS ABIDE.

IN A VEGETARIAN DIET, BY WHICH MANY HINDUS ABIDE.

IN RURAL AREAS, COW DUNG IS USED MANY HINDUS ABIDE.

IN RURAL AREAS, COW DUNG IS USED FOR FUEL AND EVEN THE URINE IS IN RURAL AREAS, COW DUNG IS USED FOR FUEL AND EVEN THE URINE IS COLLECTED FOR USE IN TRADITIONAL FOR FUEL AND EVEN THE URINE IS COLLECTED FOR USE IN TRADITIONAL MEDICINES.

COLLECTED FOR USE IN TRADITIONAL MEDICINES.

THE SLAUGHTER OF COWS IS ILLEGAL MEDICINES.

THE SLAUGHTER OF COWS IS ILLEGAL IN MANY PARTS OF INDIA AND EVEN THE SLAUGHTER OF COWS IS ILLEGAL IN MANY PARTS OF INDIA AND EVEN McDONALD'S, THE WORLD'S LARGEST IN MANY PARTS OF INDIA AND EVEN McDONALD'S, THE WORLD'S LARGEST HAMBURGER CHAIN, DOESN'T SERVE McDONALD'S, THE WORLD'S LARGEST HAMBURGER CHAIN, DOESN'T SERVE ANY BEEF IN ITS INDIA OUTLETS.

HAMBURGER CHAIN, DOESN'T SERVE ANY BEEF IN ITS INDIA OUTLETS.

BUT McDONALD'S IS PART OF ANY BEEF IN ITS INDIA OUTLETS.

BUT McDONALD'S IS PART OF INDIA'S GROWING URBAN LANDSCAPE.

BUT McDONALD'S IS PART OF INDIA'S GROWING URBAN LANDSCAPE.

DELHI IS A CITY THAT'S GROWN INDIA'S GROWING URBAN LANDSCAPE.

DELHI IS A CITY THAT'S GROWN FARTHER AND FATHER OUT INTO WHAT DELHI IS A CITY THAT'S GROWN FARTHER AND FATHER OUT INTO WHAT WAS ONCE RURAL LAND.

FARTHER AND FATHER OUT INTO WHAT WAS ONCE RURAL LAND.

>> WHEN THEY WERE ON FARMS, WAS ONCE RURAL LAND.

>> WHEN THEY WERE ON FARMS, THESE ANIMALS USED TO WORK, THEY >> WHEN THEY WERE ON FARMS, THESE ANIMALS USED TO WORK, THEY PULLED CARTS AND PLOWS.

THESE ANIMALS USED TO WORK, THEY PULLED CARTS AND PLOWS.

NOW MACHINES HAVE COME IN AND PULLED CARTS AND PLOWS.

NOW MACHINES HAVE COME IN AND THERE'S MUCH LESS USE FOR THEM.

NOW MACHINES HAVE COME IN AND THERE'S MUCH LESS USE FOR THEM.

NOW PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH THERE'S MUCH LESS USE FOR THEM.

NOW PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH SPACE FOR COWS.

NOW PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH SPACE FOR COWS.

>> Reporter: AN ESTIMATED SPACE FOR COWS.

>> Reporter: AN ESTIMATED 40,000 OF THE ANIMALS ROAM >> Reporter: AN ESTIMATED 40,000 OF THE ANIMALS ROAM FREELY ON THE STREETS OF DELHI.

40,000 OF THE ANIMALS ROAM FREELY ON THE STREETS OF DELHI.

THEY ARE INCREASINGLY SEEN AS A FREELY ON THE STREETS OF DELHI.

THEY ARE INCREASINGLY SEEN AS A NUISANCE, CLOGGING TRAFFIC AND THEY ARE INCREASINGLY SEEN AS A NUISANCE, CLOGGING TRAFFIC AND FORAGING THROUGH GARBAGE HEAPS.

NUISANCE, CLOGGING TRAFFIC AND FORAGING THROUGH GARBAGE HEAPS.

AND THEY'VE BECOME A TARGET FOR FORAGING THROUGH GARBAGE HEAPS.

AND THEY'VE BECOME A TARGET FOR POACHERS.

AND THEY'VE BECOME A TARGET FOR POACHERS.

>> WE LIVE WITH PEOPLE OF POACHERS.

>> WE LIVE WITH PEOPLE OF ANOTHER RELIGION.

>> WE LIVE WITH PEOPLE OF ANOTHER RELIGION.

SOME PEOPLE OF THAT RELIGION, ANOTHER RELIGION.

SOME PEOPLE OF THAT RELIGION, AND I DO SAY SOME, BECAUSE THERE SOME PEOPLE OF THAT RELIGION, AND I DO SAY SOME, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THAT RELIGION THAT AND I DO SAY SOME, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THAT RELIGION THAT ALSO HONOR AND SERVE COWS.

ARE PEOPLE IN THAT RELIGION THAT ALSO HONOR AND SERVE COWS.

BUT SOME PEOPLE PICK THEM UP ALSO HONOR AND SERVE COWS.

BUT SOME PEOPLE PICK THEM UP FROM THE ROAD.

BUT SOME PEOPLE PICK THEM UP FROM THE ROAD.

>> Reporter: HE WAS REFERRING TO FROM THE ROAD.

>> Reporter: HE WAS REFERRING TO "SOME PEOPLE" AMONG INDIA'S >> Reporter: HE WAS REFERRING TO "SOME PEOPLE" AMONG INDIA'S MUSLIMS.

"SOME PEOPLE" AMONG INDIA'S MUSLIMS.

MUSLIMS DO CONSUME BEEF, BUT MUSLIMS.

MUSLIMS DO CONSUME BEEF, BUT SOCIOLOGISTS SAY THERE'S GROWING MUSLIMS DO CONSUME BEEF, BUT SOCIOLOGISTS SAY THERE'S GROWING BEEF CONSUMPTION AMONG HINDUS AS SOCIOLOGISTS SAY THERE'S GROWING BEEF CONSUMPTION AMONG HINDUS AS WELL IN AN INCREASINGLY BEEF CONSUMPTION AMONG HINDUS AS WELL IN AN INCREASINGLY GLOBALIZED URBAN INDIA.

WELL IN AN INCREASINGLY GLOBALIZED URBAN INDIA.

A SINGLE COW CAN FETCH AS MUCH GLOBALIZED URBAN INDIA.

A SINGLE COW CAN FETCH AS MUCH AS 5,000 RUPEES, ABOUT $90, ON A SINGLE COW CAN FETCH AS MUCH AS 5,000 RUPEES, ABOUT $90, ON THE UNDERGROUND MARKET, A BIG AS 5,000 RUPEES, ABOUT $90, ON THE UNDERGROUND MARKET, A BIG PAYDAY HERE.

THE UNDERGROUND MARKET, A BIG PAYDAY HERE.

THE COW SHELTERS RELY ON THE PAYDAY HERE.

THE COW SHELTERS RELY ON THE FAITHFUL TO GET TO THE ANIMALS THE COW SHELTERS RELY ON THE FAITHFUL TO GET TO THE ANIMALS FIRST.

FAITHFUL TO GET TO THE ANIMALS FIRST.

>> PEOPLE CALL IN TO TELL US FIRST.

>> PEOPLE CALL IN TO TELL US THERE IS A COW ON THE STREET OR >> PEOPLE CALL IN TO TELL US THERE IS A COW ON THE STREET OR WANDERED INTO OUR HOME.

THERE IS A COW ON THE STREET OR WANDERED INTO OUR HOME.

WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO WANDERED INTO OUR HOME.

WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO BRING THEM IN.

WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO BRING THEM IN.

SOME PEOPLE BRING THEM IN BRING THEM IN.

SOME PEOPLE BRING THEM IN THEMSELVES AND LEAVE THEM HERE.

SOME PEOPLE BRING THEM IN THEMSELVES AND LEAVE THEM HERE.

>> Reporter: THE SHELTERS ARE THEMSELVES AND LEAVE THEM HERE.

>> Reporter: THE SHELTERS ARE SUPPORTED BY PUBLIC DONATIONS, >> Reporter: THE SHELTERS ARE SUPPORTED BY PUBLIC DONATIONS, WHICH FLOWED IN ABUNDANTLY THE SUPPORTED BY PUBLIC DONATIONS, WHICH FLOWED IN ABUNDANTLY THE DAY WE VISITED FROM PEOPLE WHO WHICH FLOWED IN ABUNDANTLY THE DAY WE VISITED FROM PEOPLE WHO CAME IN TO PRAY AND TO FEED THE DAY WE VISITED FROM PEOPLE WHO CAME IN TO PRAY AND TO FEED THE ANIMALS.

CAME IN TO PRAY AND TO FEED THE ANIMALS.

>> WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE TO GIVE ANIMALS.

>> WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE TO GIVE MONEY, AS YOU SAW TODAY THEY >> WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE TO GIVE MONEY, AS YOU SAW TODAY THEY JUST COME IN.

MONEY, AS YOU SAW TODAY THEY JUST COME IN.

WHEN YOU ADD TOGETHER ALL THE JUST COME IN.

WHEN YOU ADD TOGETHER ALL THE MONEY FROM THOSE WHO GIVE, ALL WHEN YOU ADD TOGETHER ALL THE MONEY FROM THOSE WHO GIVE, ALL THE WAY FROM 100 THOUSAND MONEY FROM THOSE WHO GIVE, ALL THE WAY FROM 100 THOUSAND RUPEES, TO THOUSANDS, TO SMALL THE WAY FROM 100 THOUSAND RUPEES, TO THOUSANDS, TO SMALL AMOUNTS, WE GET ABOUT 30 MILLION RUPEES, TO THOUSANDS, TO SMALL AMOUNTS, WE GET ABOUT 30 MILLION RUPEES A YEAR.

AMOUNTS, WE GET ABOUT 30 MILLION RUPEES A YEAR.

>> Reporter: THAT'S ABOUT RUPEES A YEAR.

>> Reporter: THAT'S ABOUT $500,000 TO ALLOW THE ANIMALS TO >> Reporter: THAT'S ABOUT $500,000 TO ALLOW THE ANIMALS TO LIVE OUT THEIR NATURAL LIVES IN $500,000 TO ALLOW THE ANIMALS TO LIVE OUT THEIR NATURAL LIVES IN PEACE.

LIVE OUT THEIR NATURAL LIVES IN PEACE.

>> COWS HAVE TO DIE, BUT WE PEACE.

>> COWS HAVE TO DIE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO DIE OF HUNGER >> COWS HAVE TO DIE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO DIE OF HUNGER OR THIRST.

DON'T WANT THEM TO DIE OF HUNGER OR THIRST.

>> Reporter: IT'S A FAR CRY FROM OR THIRST.

>> Reporter: IT'S A FAR CRY FROM THE GRASSY RURAL RANGE THAT IS >> Reporter: IT'S A FAR CRY FROM THE GRASSY RURAL RANGE THAT IS THE MORE NATURAL HABITAT.

THE GRASSY RURAL RANGE THAT IS THE MORE NATURAL HABITAT.

BUT THESE ANIMALS DO HAVE THE MORE NATURAL HABITAT.

BUT THESE ANIMALS DO HAVE COOLING FANS AND AN ABUNDANT, IF BUT THESE ANIMALS DO HAVE COOLING FANS AND AN ABUNDANT, IF SOMEWHAT UNUSUALLY VARIED DIET, COOLING FANS AND AN ABUNDANT, IF SOMEWHAT UNUSUALLY VARIED DIET, AS THRONGS OF DEVOUT PEOPLE SOMEWHAT UNUSUALLY VARIED DIET, AS THRONGS OF DEVOUT PEOPLE PRESERVE OR RESTORE THE AS THRONGS OF DEVOUT PEOPLE PRESERVE OR RESTORE THE HISTORICAL REVERENCE FOR INDIA'S PRESERVE OR RESTORE THE HISTORICAL REVERENCE FOR INDIA'S URBAN COW.

HISTORICAL REVERENCE FOR INDIA'S URBAN COW.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS URBAN COW.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM LAZARO IN DELHI, INDIA.

NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM LAZARO IN DELHI, INDIA.

>>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK, LAZARO IN DELHI, INDIA.

>>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK, VALENTINE'S DAY, WHICH IS NAMED >>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK, VALENTINE'S DAY, WHICH IS NAMED FOR TWO ST. VALENTINES WHO WERE VALENTINE'S DAY, WHICH IS NAMED FOR TWO ST. VALENTINES WHO WERE MARTYRED IN THE 2nd AND 3rd FOR TWO ST. VALENTINES WHO WERE MARTYRED IN THE 2nd AND 3rd CENTURIES.

MARTYRED IN THE 2nd AND 3rd CENTURIES.

THE DAY WASN'T ASSOCIATED WITH CENTURIES.

THE DAY WASN'T ASSOCIATED WITH ROMANTIC LOVE UNTIL THE MIDDLE THE DAY WASN'T ASSOCIATED WITH ROMANTIC LOVE UNTIL THE MIDDLE AGES WHEN GEOFFREY CHAUCER AND ROMANTIC LOVE UNTIL THE MIDDLE AGES WHEN GEOFFREY CHAUCER AND OTHERS MADE THE CONNECTION.

AGES WHEN GEOFFREY CHAUCER AND OTHERS MADE THE CONNECTION.

>>> FINALLY, AT A CAR AUCTION IN OTHERS MADE THE CONNECTION.

>>> FINALLY, AT A CAR AUCTION IN PARIS, POPE FRANCIS'S HARLEY >>> FINALLY, AT A CAR AUCTION IN PARIS, POPE FRANCIS'S HARLEY DAVIDSON DYNA SUPER GLIDE PARIS, POPE FRANCIS'S HARLEY DAVIDSON DYNA SUPER GLIDE MOTORBIKE WENT ON SALE.

DAVIDSON DYNA SUPER GLIDE MOTORBIKE WENT ON SALE.

IT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO FRANCIS MOTORBIKE WENT ON SALE.

IT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO FRANCIS LAST YEAR, AND BORE HIS IT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO FRANCIS LAST YEAR, AND BORE HIS SIGNATURE.

LAST YEAR, AND BORE HIS SIGNATURE.

THE VALUE BEFORE THE AUCTION WAS SIGNATURE.

THE VALUE BEFORE THE AUCTION WAS ESTIMATED AT THE EURO EQUIVALENT THE VALUE BEFORE THE AUCTION WAS ESTIMATED AT THE EURO EQUIVALENT OF $16,000.

ESTIMATED AT THE EURO EQUIVALENT OF $16,000.

BUT IT SOLD TO AN UNNAMED OF $16,000.

BUT IT SOLD TO AN UNNAMED EUROPEAN BUYER FOR $327,000, BUT IT SOLD TO AN UNNAMED EUROPEAN BUYER FOR $327,000, WITH THE MONEY DESTINED FOR EUROPEAN BUYER FOR $327,000, WITH THE MONEY DESTINED FOR CARITAS ROMA, WHICH RUNS A WITH THE MONEY DESTINED FOR CARITAS ROMA, WHICH RUNS A CATHOLIC SOUP KITCHEN AND CARITAS ROMA, WHICH RUNS A CATHOLIC SOUP KITCHEN AND HOSTEL.

CATHOLIC SOUP KITCHEN AND HOSTEL.

WHEN ONE OF OUR PRODUCERS HOSTEL.

WHEN ONE OF OUR PRODUCERS LEARNED THAT THE SELLING PRICE WHEN ONE OF OUR PRODUCERS LEARNED THAT THE SELLING PRICE FOR THE POPE'S HARLEY WAS LEARNED THAT THE SELLING PRICE FOR THE POPE'S HARLEY WAS 20 TIMES WHAT HAD BEEN ASKED, HE FOR THE POPE'S HARLEY WAS 20 TIMES WHAT HAD BEEN ASKED, HE WONDERED IF THE POPE MIGHT 20 TIMES WHAT HAD BEEN ASKED, HE WONDERED IF THE POPE MIGHT CONSIDER AUTOGRAPHING HIS CAR.

WONDERED IF THE POPE MIGHT CONSIDER AUTOGRAPHING HIS CAR.

>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

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>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

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