
Remembering Alfredo Gutierrez, Preventing Pavement Burns, Metabolism and Age
Season 2025 Episode 148 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
Remembering Alfredo Gutierrez, How to Prevent Hot Pavement Burns, Slowing Metabolism's Link to Age
A look into the life of longtime activist Alfredo Gutierrez, Why officials are urging the public to take precautions to avoid burns from the pavement this summer, How a slower metabolism is linked to age and how diet and exercise can impact metabolism further.
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Remembering Alfredo Gutierrez, Preventing Pavement Burns, Metabolism and Age
Season 2025 Episode 148 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
A look into the life of longtime activist Alfredo Gutierrez, Why officials are urging the public to take precautions to avoid burns from the pavement this summer, How a slower metabolism is linked to age and how diet and exercise can impact metabolism further.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship♪ [ MUSIC ] ♪♪ >>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.
A LOOK BACK AT TO LIFE AND LEGACY OF ALFREDO THAT DIED.
>>> ALSO HOW TO AVOID PAVEMENT BURNS THIS SUMMER.
>>> MO METABOLISM SLOWS WITH AGE AND HOW STRAIGHT TRAINING CAN ADDRESS THOSE CHANGES.
THOSE STORIES AND MORE ON ARIZONA HORIZON.
>> ARIZONA HORIZON MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTION OF YOUR FRIENDS ON ARIZONA PBS.
>>> GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.
I'M TED SIMON.
THE FEDERAL RESERVE HELD INTEREST RATES STEADY.
JEROME POWELL WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
>> IN SUPPORT OF OUR GOALS WE DECIDED TO LEAVE OUR POLICY INTEREST RATE UNCHANGED.
WE ARE WELL-POSITIONED TO RESPOND IN A TIMELY WAY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS.
>> THOSE DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDE WHAT THE FEDS SEE AS POSSIBLE INCREASES IN INFLATION.
>> NEAR TERM MEASURES HAVE MOVED UP ON NEWS ABILITY TARIFFS ON MARKET BASED AND SURVEY BASED MEASURES.
BEYOND THE NEXT YEAR OR SO MOST MEASURES REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH THE 2% INFLATION GOAL.
>> TODAYS MOVE COMES DESPITE POLITICAL PRESSURE FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR A RATE CUT.
TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BOTH APPOINTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP DISAGREED WITH THE VOTE TO KEEP RATES UNCHANGED.
THE PRESIDENT'S REACTION IN?
>> WE SHOULD BE THE LOWEST INTEREST RATE, WE ARE NOT.
WE ARE 38 BECAUSE OF THE FED.
IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF THE FED.
HE'S DONE A BAD JOB.
>> THE FED OPERATES INDEPENDENTLY OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS IN SETTING POLICY FREE OF POLITICAL INFLUENCE.
THE CENTRAL BANK WILL KEEP IT AT A RANGE OF 4.25 TO 4.5% WHICH IS WHERE THEY WERE IN DECEMBER.
GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT GREW IN DECEMBER.
A 3% ANNUAL RATE FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS THAT WAS HIGHER THAN EXPECTED OVERALL, THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR SHOWS SOFT ECONOMIC GROWTH AMONG UNCERTAINTY FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP'S TARIFF POLICY.
>>> THE DRAGON FIRE COVENANTS TO GROW.
IT EAST 94,000 ACRES AND CONTAINMENT CONTINUES TO DROP.
THAT'S AT 4% AFTER BEING 26 CONTAINED A WEEK AGO.
THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT EXPECTS STRONGER WINDS AND LOWER HUMIDITY TODAY AS THE FIRE MOVES NORTHWARD FROM THE CANYON.
A MAJOR PRESENCE IN LOCAL THEATER HAS DIED.
BEN TYLER DIED AFTER A FIGHT WITH CANCER.
HE WAS AN ACTOR AND DIRECTOR AND PLAYWRIGHT.
HE WAS ARTISTIC DIRECTOR OF A NUMBER OF THEATERS.
HE DIRECTED.
GOV TO MUSICAL.
HE ALSO WROTE THE STAGE PLAY AND ESCAPE FROM THE PARK.
>>> LONG TIME POLITICAL ACTIVE VIS ALFREDO GUTIERREZ DIED YESTERDAY.
HE WORKED HARD ON IMMIGRATION CONCERNS.
JOINING US IS LYDIA WHO IS WITH HIS ORGANIZATION.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU BUT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES NOT SO GOOD.
WHO WAS ALFREDO GUTIERREZ.
>> HE WAS LARGER THAN LIFE.
FOR THOSE THAT KNEW HIM, EVERYONE YOU SPOKE TO WILL SAY HE INSPIRED THEM TO DO MORE.
TO BE THE PERSON TO CREATE CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
ALFREDO WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS VERY EMPATHETIC.
THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SYMPATHY AND EMPATHY.
HE WAS VERY EMPATHETIC.
WHAT HE CARED ABILITY WAS A COMMUNITY.
HE CARED ABOUT VENERABLE FAMILIES.
HE INSTILLED IN EVERYBODY HE SPOKE WITH TO DO MORE.
THAT'S WHO ALFREDO IS.
>> LOW LONG DID YOU WORK WITH HIM.
>> I WORKED WITH HIM FOR DECADES WHEN I FIRST CAME FROM ARIZONA I TOOK ON A LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT CLASS FOR THE MEXICAN-AMERICAN DEFENSE AND EDUCATION FUND.
HE WAS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS.
THIS WAS IN LIKE UTAH.
WHEN I SAW HIM, WOW, I AM INSPIRED BY HIM.
I IMMEDIATELY KNEW THIS WAS SOMEONE I WANTED TO WORK WITH.
HE SPOKE ABOUT IMMIGRATION RAIDS AND HOW WE NEED TO STAND UP AND DO MORE AND REPRESENT.
>> HIS MINOR SON FROM MIAMI JOINED THE MILITARY AND LEAD THE PROTESTS FROM ASU.
I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR WHEN HE FINALLY GOT HIS DEGREE THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO DO THAT WAS IT NOT.
>> IT WAS.
HE ALWAYS SAW HIM TALKING TO STUDENTS AND YOUTH GROUPS AND TELLING THEM HOW IMPUERTO RICOANT EDUCATION WAS.
HE FELT HORRIBLE HE WASN'T ABLE TO GET HIS DEGREE.
TO HIM, THIS WAS IMPORTANT.
NOT JUST TO TALK THE TALK AND WALK THE WALK.
>> HE WENT TO ASU AT THE TIME.
HE LEAD STUDENT PROTESTS THAT HELPED GET HIM KICKED OUT.
HE WORKED WITH CHAVEZ.
WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL MISSION?
HAS IT CHANGED OVERTIME?
WHERE WAS ALFREDO?
>> IT'S THE SAME AT HEART.
HE KNEW IN ORDER FOR COMMUNITIES TO BECOME EMPOWERED THERE HAS TO BE CHANGE.
THERE HAS TO BE REPRESENTATION POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC.
THAT'S THE MISSION.
WHAT HE INSTILLED BUT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HE HELPED FIND WAS FRIENDLY HOUSE.
THE LEADERSHIP AND WORKING TOWARDS SOCIAL JUSTICE AND OUR FAMILIES ASSESS WEALTH AND BUILD WEALTH.
ALFREDO KNEW THAT.
HE KNEW, IN ORDER TO SUCCEED, YOU HAVE TO MAKE EVERY STEP NOT JUST ECONOMICALLY BUT POLITICALLY.
>> THEY HAD A BIG SECTION PIECE ON HIM AS A POLITICIAN.
IT WAS PART OF AN A MAJORITY.
HE GOT THINGS DONE AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
WHAT GOT HIM GOING.
>> HE FELT THE WRATH OF DISCRIMINATION.
HE FELT THE WRATH OF DISCRIMINATION.
EVEN INTO HIS OLDER YEARS, THERE WAS AN INITIATIVE AT THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE TO END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE, HE SAID I AM AN ANCHOR BABY.
HE WAS BORN IN MIAMI.
YOU KNOW, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN ALL DO.
BECAUSE HE FELT THAT THAT RAILED HIM UP.
HIS EAGERNESS TO ASSESS SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUALITY.
HE WASN'T LOOKING FOR MORE BUT EQUAL TREATMENT FOR STUDENTS AND TO HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
HE WAS LOOKING FOR EQUALITY.
>> SEEMS LIKE THAT FIRE SHOWED NO LACK OF URGENCY AND ENTHUSIASM.
THE FIRE WAS ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
>> ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AND FEEL BLESSED TO SPEAK WITH ALFREDO.
HE KNEW THIS WOULD BE OUR LAST CONVERSATION AND HE GAVE ME HOMEWORK.
HE SAID, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITIES ARE REPRESENTED.
WE MUST REGISTER THEM TO VOTE AND GET THEM TO THE POLLS.
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A VOICE AT THE BALLOT BOX.
THEY HAVE A VOICE POLITICALLY AND WE HAVE REP I SENSATION.
REPRESENTATION.
>> DO YOU SEE YOUNG ALFREDOS OUT THERE AND READY TO GO?
>> I SEE THEM.
THOSE ARE THE SAME ONES INSPIRED BY HIM.
NOTHING MAKES ME HAPPIER THAN TO SEE THE YOUNG ONES OUT THERE AND THEY WERE INSPIRED BY HIM THE WAY I WAS.
THEY ARE OUT THERE.
THEY ARE KNOCKING ON DOORS AND REGISTERING VOTERS AND LIFTING SOCIAL CONSCIENCE TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S WHAT ALFREDO WAS.
HE LIFTED THE SOCIAL CONSCIOUS.
>> IS THAT HIS LEGACY.
HE HELPED CHANGE ARIZONA.
>> IT'S SO MANY.
HE EPED HELPED WITH THE E DISTRIBUTE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND PUBLIC TRANSIT.
HERE E HELPED WITH SO MANY.
>> BEST TO YOU FOR LOSING YOUR FRIEND AND EVERYONE THAT KNEW ALFREDO AND WATCHED HIM THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
HE WAS A FORCE AND THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING HIM.
>> THANK YOU, HIS LEGACY LIVES ON.
>>> THE SUMMER HEAT AS MOVED IN.
YOU SHOULD TAKE PRECAUTIONS TO AVOID PAVEMENT BURNS.
WE HAVE SEEN A STEEP UP TICK IN THE INJURIES.
WE WELCOME DR.KEVIN FOSTER.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
>> AN UPTICK IN PAVEMENT BURNS IS IT BECAUSE THERE IS MORE PEOPLE OR SOMETHING ELSE?
>> SOMETHING ELSE.
IN ARIZONA WE HAVE SEEN PAVEMENT BURNS.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM.
SINCE 2020 WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE IN THE SUMMERTIME AND DISPROPORTIONATE RISE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SUFFERING THE BURNS.
>> WHAT'S GOING ON?
>> I DON'T KNOW, NOT SURE.
HAS A BIT TO DO WITH OUR AGING POPULATION.
THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR IT.
WE HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT YET.
>> I HAVE SEEN 13 FATALITIES HERE.
THAT'S AS SERIOUS AS IT GETS.
IN GENERAL, ARE THE BURNING GETTING WORSE?
>> THEY ARE BAD FOR A FEW REASONS.
NUMBER ONE.
THE PAVEMENT IS VERY HOT.
170, 180 DEGREES.
PAVEMENT DOESN'T COOL.
IT STAYS HOT.
AS LONG AS YOU ARE IN CONTACT WITH IT YOU ARE GETTING BURNED.
ANOTHER THING IS HEAT STROKE.
BEING IN HOT TEMPERATURES IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT AND THE PROFOUND EFFECTS THAT HAS ON HUMAN BEINGS.
>> AMONG THE EFFECTS IS LOSING CONSCIOUSNESS AND FALLING ON AND YOU DON'T KNOW IT AND HERE COMES THE BURN.
>> YOU LAY THERE UNTIL SOMEONE FINDS YOU OR REGAIN CONSCIOUSNESS.
OFTENTIMES PEOPLE WITH DISABILITY WILL GO DOWN AND CAN'T GET UP EVEN IF THEY TRIED.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
IT IS SIMPLY FROM FALLS OR MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENTS, BIKE ACCIDENTS?
SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON WITH ACCIDENTS?
>> YEAH, SO, IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE.
IT FALLS WITH ELDERLY PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
THEY ARE A PROBLEM.
AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENTS AND PEOPLE JUST GOING DOWN ON THE PAVEMENT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
PEOPLE WITH NEUROOPTHYS.
THEY DON'T FEEL THE MAIN.
>> HOW MUCH ARE A FACTOR.
>> THEY GO TOGETHER.
>> INJURIES WITH HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY.
>> YOU BLACK ASPHALT AT 170 DEGREES.
>> WE HAVE YOU HERE BECAUSE WHICH ARE IN THE GRIP OF SUMMER IF YOU WILL.
THESE BURNS CAN HAPPEN ALL YEAR-ROUND.
KEEP THE CAR IN THE SUN AND THEY CAN GET HOT.
>> YES, IT'S BAD IN THE SUMMERTIME AND IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT.
IT NOT JUST THE HEAT BUT DIRECT SUNLIGHT.
>> THEY HAVE THE AMBIENT AIR TEMPERATURE.
IT'S DIFFERENT FROM BEING IN THE SHADE.
>> IT IS.
>> WHAT CAN BE DONE TO ADDRESS THIS.
HOW DO YOU HANDLE THIS.
>> THERE ARE A FEW THINGS.
PREVENTION IS KEY.
ALMOST ALL OF THE BURNS ARE PREVENTABLE.
DON'T GO OUTSIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
THAT INCLUDES REALLY SIMPLE MINOR THINGS THAT YOU COULD NORMALLY DO.
AN ELDERLY PERSON WALKING DOWN THE MAILBOX TO GET THE MAIL COULD BE THE START OF A BAD OUTCOME.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
STAY INSIDE IF YOU CAN.
IF YOU HAVE TO GO OUT WEAR PROTECTIVE CLOTHING.
TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM HOT SURFACES.
>> WHEN YOU MENTION PROTECTIVE CLOTHING.
I DO SOME THINGS IN THE MORNING ESPECIALLY.
IT'S HOT.
YOU WANT TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM THE SUN.
YOU WEAR THE HATS AND THEY SEEM HOTTER.
YOU WEAR THE LONG SLEEVE SHIRTS YOU ARE JUST RAISING TEMPERATURES.
HOW DO YOU WORK THAT.
>> IT'S THE RISK BENEFIT RATIO.
YOU ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WEARING THAT SHIRT.
A TWO MONTH STAY IN THE CENTER IS ALSO HEART.
>> THAT HEAT IS UNCOMFORTABLE.
WHAT ABOUT WEARING STIRDY STURDY SHOES SO YOU DON'T FALL DOWN.
>> WE HAVE A FEW INITIATIVES.
THEY HAVE SOCKS AND SHOES.
WE NEED TO WEAR THEM.
ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE FEELING IN THEIR LOWER EXTREMITIES AND FEET.
>> WE SPOKE ABOUT PAVEMENT BURNS BUT I MENTIONED GETTING IN A CAR.
IT'S NOT MUCH EXPOSED CHROME AN STEEL.
IT IS STILL THERE.
YOU HAVE OLDER CARS AND YOU TOUCH SOMETHING WRONG AND YOU GET A BURN.
>> THE TIN TERRIER OF A CAR WITH BLACK LEATHER CAN BE 140, 150 DEGREES.
>> FOR KIDS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
>> MOST OF OUR EQUIPMENT IS SHADED AND PAINTED WITH PAINT THAT'S COOL IN HOT TEMPERATURES.
STILL THERE ARE OTHER SURFACES, SHINY METAL PAVEMENT AND CONCRETE THAT CAN GET HOT.
>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS RAISE AWARENESS.
>> YEP.
>> YOU DID IT RIGHT HERE.
>> IT'S NOT AS BAD AS LAST YEAR.
>> THERE YOU GO, KNOCK ON WOOD.
DR.KEVIN FOSTER.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
>> THANK YOU.
>>> MO METABOLISM SLOWS WITH AGE FOR THE BIG REASON.
STRAIGHT TRAINING IS RECOMMENDED AT EVERY AGE.
NOT JUST FOR MO METABOLISM TO SUPPORT BALANCE AND LONG-TERM HEALTH.
NUTRITIONIST AT ASUs CAMPUS IS JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MO METABOLISM, DEFINE THAT.
>> IT'S THE PROCESS IN THE BODY.
THAT INCLUDES PROCESSING THE FOOD YOU EAT, THERE ARE BASAL MO METABOLISM OR BASAL MET BOTTIC RATE KEEPING THE BODY ALIVE.
WHILE YOU ARE TAKING IN CALORIES AND DIGESTING THE FOOD.
RIGHT NOW FOR CAR CANCER CAUSING.
>> THE BASAL MET METABOLIC RATE.
>> IT REQUIRES MOST OF OUR ENERGY.
THE ENERGY WE HAVE TAKEN IN IS JUST FOR THAT.
WE ARE LIVE.
I WOULD IMAGE THE HIGHER THE RATE THE MORE FOOD YOU NEED TO EAT.
>> UH-HUH.
>> WE ARE JUST TALKING ENERGY AND IT'S CALORIES THAT COME FROM THE FOOD WE TAKE IN.
>>> MO METABOLISM DOES IT ALWAYS SLOW AS WE AGE.
>> YES, AROUND 60 BUT THAT CAN VERY BY A FEW YEARS.
IT'S NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD WHY IT HAPPENS BUT CELLS SLOWDOWN.
IT'S ALSO WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT OUR MUSSEL MASS DECREASING.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE NOT AS ACTIVE.
>> OKAY, THE IMPACT OF MUSSEL LOST, WHAT DO WE KNOW?
>> IT CAUSES MO METABOLISM TO SLOW.
LEAN TISSUE REQUIRES MORE ENERGY.
THE MORE LEAN TISSUE YOU HAVE.
WHEN AT REST REQUIRING MORE ENERGY.
>> SO, YOU CAN CONTROL, YOUR METABOLIC RATE?
>> YOU CAN DO THINGS THAT WILL KEEP IT FROM DROPPING AS MUCH.
>> WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGTIONS.
>> STRAIGHT TRAINING IS BIG.
THAT WILL MAINTAIN THE MUSSEL MASS.
IT'S IMPORTANT THROUGHOUT LIFE IT IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN WE GET OLDER AND MANY MORE REASONS THAN MAINTAINING OUR METABOLIC RATE.
IT'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH LOSING STRAIGHT.
BALANCE AND FALLS ARE BIG IN OLDER PEOPLE.
SO BESIDES HELPING WITH THE METABOLIC RATE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR STRAIGHT TRAINING.
IS THAT IN GREAT PART BECAUSE OF MUSSEL LOSS?
>> YES, IT'S A LOT OF IT SOME OF IT IS JUST BALANCE IN GENERAL.
WE CAN LOSE BALANCE WITH OLDER AGE.
BEING STRONGER HELPS WITH THE BALANCE.
FALLS ARE DANGEROUS BECAUSE THERE IS A HIGHER CHANCE OF OSTEOPETROSIS WITH OLDER AGE.
STRAIGHT TRAINING ENCLOSES BONE MEN RAL DENSITY.
IF YOU FALL YOU ARE LESS LIKELY TO BREAK A BONE.
>> SOMEONE SAYING I DON'T WANT TO LIFT WEIGHTS BUT STRAIGHT TRAIN.
CAN YOU DO THAT WITHOUT BEING A BODYBUILDER.
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I'M GAD YOU SAID THAT.
STRAIGHT TRAINING DOESN'T MEAN A BODYBUILDER.
ANY TIME YOU PUT A FORCE ON YOUR MUSSEL IT'S STRAIGHT TRAINING.
YOU ARE USING GRAVITY.
YOU GO AGAINST THE FORCE OF GRABTY.
LIFTING ANYTHING IS STRAIGHT TRAINING.
YOU CAN DO PUSH UPS.
THERE IS SO MANY THINGS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A JIM AND GRUNT AND PUMP ION.
>> CAN YOU DO I SO ISOMETRICS.
>> YOU CAN SIT ON THE COUCH AND DO THAT?
>> YES, YOU CAN.
>> WHAT ABOUT DIET?
>> WE NEED MORE PROTEIN TO BUILD MUSSEL.
THROUGHOUT ADULTHOOD THE RECOMMENDATION IS .8 GRAMS PER KILOGRAMS PER DAY.
FOR 130-POUND PERSON THAT WOULD BE 50 GRAMS OF PROTEIN PER DAY.
ONCE YOU GET TO 50s OR 60s.
THAT GOES UP TO 1.2 TO 2 GRAMS PER KILOGRAM.
THE SAME PERSON WOULD BE MORE LIKE 70 TO 120 GRAMS PER DAY.
WE HAVE PLAN BASED SOURCES.
ALL KINDS OF VEGETARIAN PROTEINS.
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
WE DON'T THINK ABOUT WHOLE-GRAINS CONTAINING PROTEINS.
IT'S ONE REASON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET ENOUGH PROTEIN BUT MOST OF US DO.
WE THINK WE DON'T.
>> LAST QUESTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT.
AS YOU AGE THE MO METABOLISM SLOWS.
YOUR MO METABOLISM SLOWS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ENERGY TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ENERGY TO EAT.
IS IT LIKE A DRAGON CHASING IT'S TAIL?
>> IT CAN BE.
SOMETIMES IT'S A CONSCIOUS EFFORT.
YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT YOU WANT TO CONSULT WITH A DIETITIAN.
DRINK PROTEIN SHAKES THAT ARE EASIER TO TAKE IN.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE INTO THE URGE TO NOTTETTE.
>> THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.
>> OKAY, ROBIN, WE ARE TALKING MO METABOLISM.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.
THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
I'M TED SIMONS.
YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
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