>> I'M A CHILD OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS AND IT'S SO CRITICAL THAT WE PRESERVE THE SURVIVOR STORIES.

IT MATTERS NOW BECAUSE THE SURVIVORS ARE THOSE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE ARE QUITE OLD AND WHEN WE LOSE THE LAST WITNESSES, WE HAVE TO REDOUBLE OUR EFFORTS TO MAKE HIEWR THAT THEY'RE STORIES ARE TOLD AND THAT WE HONOR THEIR MEMORIES.

♪♪ >> Mary: YOU JUST GOT A GLIMENTS OF HIM THERE, NOW RETIRING REPRESENTATIVE FRANK HORNSTEIN HERE.

REPRESENTATIVE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT REALLY EMOTIONAL AND PERSONAL LEGISLATION THAT YOU WORKED ON, ON HOLOCAUST EDUCATION.

GETTING IN OUR CLASSROOMS.

WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT?

>> WELL, AS A CHILD OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS, IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT BILL DONE.

AND THERE WAS A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR WHO TESTIFIED.

AND HER NAME OF BLESSED MEMORY, THAT'S WHAT WE SAY IN JUDAISM WHEN SOMEONE ASSES AWAY, SHE DID PASS AWAY A FEW MONTHS LATER, AND I ATTENDED THE FUNERAL.

AND THEY KEPT SAYING THAT THIS WAS A VERY MEANINGFUL MOMENT FOR HER AT THE CAPITOL.

>> Mary: IT WAS POWERFUL TO BRING HER HERE AND HAVE HER TESTIFY.

DO YOU THINK THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TOO, TO BE THAT CLOSE TO IT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN NOT ONLY IN THIS SITUATION, BUT IN MANY OTHER SITUATIONS, WHEN PEOPLE COME AND TELL THEIR PERSONAL STORIES HERE AT THE CAPITOL, IT CAN CHANGE MINDS.

IT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO HOW UP.

YOU KNOW, WE DID A BILL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, A BIPARTISAN BILL, ME AND SENATOR NEWMAN, ON HANDS-FREE CELL PHONE.

AND, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES WHO HAD LOST PEOPLE CAME TO THE CAPITOL.

AND THAT LITERALLY CHANGED MINDS.

IT CHANGED THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF THAT.

>> Mary: YOU DIDN'T PEEK AT MY NOTE OF NOTES, BUT OF COURSE THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO MENTION TO DOVE TAIL TO THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT BIPARTISANSHIP.

THE REPUBLICAN WHO JUST LEFT WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH SHE WAS GOING TO MISS YOU.

YOU REALLY FORGED A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR REPUBLICAN CHAIR WHEN THEY WERE IN THE MAJORITY IN THE SENATE.

HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT?

>> WELL, RELATIONSHIPS REALLY MATTER.

AND I THINK THAT EVEN WHEN ONE DISAGREES OR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME TENSE MOMENTS, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING OVER AND SAYING ELLO, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING PRESENT FOR PEOPLE REALLY MATTERS IN THIS PLACE.

>> Mary: AND HOW ABOUT THE BICAMERAL?

BECAUSE OUTSIDERS MAYBE DON'T KNOW THAT THE HOUSE DOESN'T ALWAYS TALK TO THE SENATE OR KNOW WHAT THE SENATE'S DOING, AND IT'S KIND OF REMARKABLE TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD HOW WALLED OFF THE TWO CHAMBERS CAN BE UNTIL YOU ARE A MEMBER.

BUT YOU WORKED VERY CLOSELY NOT JUST ACROSS THE AISLE BUT ACROSS THE CAPITOL.

WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THAT AND WHY THAT IMPORTANT?

>> WELL, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS.

SO WHEN WE ARE DOING LEGISLATION, YOU'LL ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A SENATE PARTNER.

AND AGAIN, WE MAY NOT AGREE, EVEN IF WE'RE IN THE SAME PARTY -- >> Mary: ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT IT WAS A DIFFERENT PARTY CONTROL.

>> BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO WORK DOUBLY HARD.

BUT EVEN IN THE SAME PARTY, THE CULTURES OF THESE INSTITUTIONS ARE DIFFERENT.

AND SO YOU HAVE TO, AGAIN, TRY TO FORGE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SENATE PARTNER TO GET A BILL THROUGH.

>> Mary: AND YOU GOT SOME PRETTY BIG TRANSPORTATION BILLS THROUGH.

WHAT AREA MOST PROUD OF?

>> WELL, I'M VERY, VERY PROUD OF THE BILL THAT WE PASSED LAST YEAR.

WE FOCUSED ON SAFETY.

WE FOCUSED ON THE CLIMATE ASPECTS OF TRANSPORTATION.

TRANSPORTATION IS THE NUMBER ONE SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, SO WE HAD SOME IMPORTANT CLIMATE PROVISIONS.

IN THAT BILL.

AND JOBS.

COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION, TRANSPORTATION IS REALLY A KEY TO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

>> Mary: WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE SEEN WITH THE NEW LIGHT RAIL LINE, THAT MOMENT WHERE JUST N AVERAGE CITIZEN TOOK A TAPE MEASURE OUT AND FOUND -- >> THAT WAS A CONSTITUENT OF MINE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SHE CALLED MY ATTENTION TO THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO GET ONTO THE NEWS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'VE HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE SOUTHWEST LIGHT RAIL.

AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE HAVE TO BE -- THOSE HAVE TO BE FIXED.

>> Mary: AND WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DO?

YOU GIVE THE MONEY, BUT DO YOU HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT.

>> YOU HAVE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH, AND WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE AUDIT THAT CAME OUT ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S STILL SOME PIECES OF THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT CCOUNTABILITY.

>> Mary: THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS YOU HAVE BEEN MARRIED TO A VERY NOTABLE FAMOUS WOMAN AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF OUR VIEWIERS THIS WHOLE TIME.

IS SHE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HOME AGAIN?

>> SHE'S AN AMAZING WOMAN.

MY WIFE, RABBI MARCIA ZIMMERMAN.

AND, NO, WE ARE TRUE PARTNERS IN ALL OF OUR PUBLIC WORK.

AND NO, I THINK SHE'S, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT CHAPTER AS AM I.

>> Mary: DID SHE INSURANCE YOU OVER THE YEARS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

SO MANY TIMES I'VE COME TO HER FOR COUNSEL.

AND PERSPECTIVE.

AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE SHE'S NOT IN THE LEGISLATURE.

BUT HE HAS SO MANY INSTINCTS AND INTUITIONS.

>> Mary: AND SHE'S QUITE THE ORATOR.

DO YOU REFER BILL SPEECHES BY HER >> ABSOLUTELY.

ALL THE TIME.

>> Mary: AND SHE GAVE YOU TIPS OVER THE YEARS?

>> ABSOLUTELY, AND EVEN TO THIS DAY.

>> Mary: WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO LAWMAKERS.

HOW DO YOU TELL OTHER LAWMAKERS TO DO THAT?

>> I THINK, AGAIN, THE RELATIONAL ASPECT OF THIS PLACE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THESE TOUGH PARTISAN TIMES IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT TO FORGE RELATIONSHIPS.

>> Mary: AND DOES IT FEEL MORE PARTISAN?

>> I FEEL THAT, YES, I'VE BEEN HERE 22 YEARS, AND IT'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOR FIGHTS MUCH MORE INTENSE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T QUITE THE SAME PLACE AS WHEN I ARRIVED HERE.

>> Mary: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOUR YOUR SERVICE,