>> THE STATE LEGISLATURE WANTS TO OPEN UP VOTING AND STUDY REPARATIONS TO AFRICAN AMERICANS.

THAT'S NEXT ON IVORY TOWER.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M BARBARA FOUGHT FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

JOINING ME TONIGHT ON THE PANEL ARE: RICK FENNER, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY, CHAD SPARBER, FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY,TY SEIDULE, FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE, AND ANIRBAN ACHARYA, FROM LE MOYNE COLLEGE.

JUNETEENTH CELEBRATIONS ARE HAPPENING THIS WEEKEND --- AND MONDAY IS THE FEDERAL HOLIDAY THAT COMMEMORATES THE END OF SLAVERY.

THE NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATURE TALKED LAST WEEK ABOUT WHETHER AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE OWED SOME REPARATIONS FOR ALL THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM SLAVERY.

IT WANTS TO SET UP A COMMISSION TO STUDY THE MATTER.

NOW THE GOVERNOR HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER TO OKAY IT.

SHOULD SHE?

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ON JUNETEENTH, WHICH IS THE DAY THE LAST SOLDIER CAME TO FREE ENSLAVED PEOPLE IN TEXT WAS 200,000 BLACK SOLDIERS.

WHAT THIS IS IS TO-- WHAT REPARATIONS MEAN IS TO RIGHT A WRONG.

THERE IS NO DOUBT A WRONG HAS BEEN DONE.

SOME FACT, THIS IS BASED ON HOUSE RESOLUTION 40.

ALMOST THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 1989.

IT'S NEVER MADE IT THROUGH THE HOUSE.

AND WHAT IT WANTS TO DO, WHY IT'S CALLED 40 IS WILLIAM SHERMAN IN 1864 GAVE 40 ACRES TO EVERY RECENTLY FREED FAMILY TO START THEM ON THEIR ROAD TO SUCCESS.

AND ANDREW JOHNSON, THE PRESIDENT CAME AND RESCINDED THAT, OUR MOST RACIST PRESIDENT.

NOW WE HAVE A CHANCE TO RELOOK AT THIS.

I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS GOING TO END EVERYTHING BUT THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT A RACIST FUTURE IS TO FIRST UNDERSTAND OUR RACIST PAST.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS COMMISSION COULD BE A START TO DO THAT.

>> I AGREE.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SLAVERY, RIGHT?

THERE IS A REPEATED CYCLES OF VIOLENCE THAT WE GO THROUGH IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED BUT THEN IT WENT INTO THE SIS THEM THAT WENT ON TO WORLD WAR II, LYNCHING JIM CROW, RED LINING, THERE WAS WAR ON DRUGS AND WAR ON POVERTY.

ALL THESE AND NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE WROTE THIS AMAZING ARTICLE THAT MY LeMOYNE STUDENTS ALL FIRST YEARS HAVE TO READ AND IT'S CALLED HOW STRUCTURAL RACISM WORKS, RACIST POLICIES AS THE ROOT CAUSE OF U.S.

RACIAL HEALTH INEQUITIES.

NOW, THE QUESTION IS THAT, YES, AN INTERGENERATIONAL INJURY HAS BEEN HAPPENING AGAINST GROUPS AND THE WHITE GROUPS HAVE BENEFITED FROM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DURING THE ERA.

IT IS THE IDEA OF STUDYING IT AND SEEING, ACTUALLY KNOWING OUR PAST AS TO LIKE WHAT ARE THE REAL EFFECTS OF THESE, YOU KNOW, POLICIES, NOT JUST SLAVERY BUT OTHER POLICIES.

BUT THERE IS A DEBATE WITHIN BLACK SCHOLARS WHERE PEOPLE LIKE CEDRIC JOHNSON SAID THESE KINDS OF AD HOC REPARATION POLICIES ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND INSTEAD WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT BROAD-BASED SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC POLICIES THAT TALK ABOUT EDUCATION, TALK ABOUT HEALTHCARE, THAT BENEFITS POOR COMMUNITIES AND HELPS THE SOCIAL ECONOMY PROGRESS.

>> CHAD, DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA?

>> NO, YOUR ANSWER IS NOT ABOUT -- YOU ARE ANSWERING WHETHER WE SHOULD STUDY INJUSTICE OR INEQUALITY.

THE QUESTION IS ABOUT REPARATIONS.

THE ANSWER ON THAT IS NO.

GLEN LOWERY WAS THE FIRST BLACK ECONOMIST AND AT HARVARD AND IS NOW AT BROWN UNIVERSITY.

IT IS CALLED REPARATIONS UNFAIR, UNDIGNIFIED RACIST AND IMPRACTICAL.

HE SAID IF YOU GIVE AFRICAN-AMERICANS $100 MILLION EACH, IT WOULD COST THE GOVERNMENT $4 TRILLION.

AND IF YOU THINK 100,000 PER PERSON IS TOO HIGH, CALIFORNIA RECOMMENDED 1.2 MILLION PER PERSON WHICH WOULD SET THAT STATE BACK $3 TRILLION ALONE.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHY GOVERNOR NEWSOME HAS DECLINED TO PUBLICLY STATE WHETHER HE WOULD SUPPORT IT OR NOT.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE AGREE THE STRUCTURAL INEQUALITY AND THE INJUSTICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE REAL BUT THERE ARE BETTER, CHEAPER AND MORE INCLUSIVE WAYS OF ADDRESSING THOSE REAL PROBLEMS.

>> I AGREE THAT STUDYING, ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROBLEM IS DEFINITELY WARRANTED.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE EXPECTATIONS WHEN YOU DISCUSS REPARATIONS AS CHAD SAID, ARE MUCH HIGHER.

AND IN CALIFORNIA, THEY'RE ADDRESSING IT BY LOOKING AT LIFE EXPECTANCY DIFFERENCES, SOME PROBLEMS WITH HOUSING DISCRIMINATION COMING UP WITH THIS DOLLAR VALUE.

IT'S NOT CLEAR, FIRST OF ALL THAT ALL AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD QUALIFY.

IN CALIFORNIA THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PROVING LINEAGE TO SLAVES AND ALL.

YOU MENTION THE EXPENSE.

AND AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE TO-- I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THE ACTUAL HARM FROM SLAVERY WAS ONLY $100,000 AN INDIVIDUAL.

SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID TRULY TO REPAIR THINGS, I THINK IS-- WOULD BE VERY, VERY LARGE.

THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THESE PROBLEMS ARE ONGOING.

AND, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO WHAT BIDEN CALLED FOR WITH STUDENT LOAN DEBT, TO MAKE A ONE-TIME PAYMENT TO INDIVIDUALS WITH STUDENT LOANS WITHOUT FIXING THE STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT ARE STILL OCCURRING IN THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE UNFAIR.

SAME THING HERE.

IF WE WERE TO GIVE THIS PAYOUT TO CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS FOR PAST PROBLEMS BUT BEE CONTINUE-- WE KNOW THERE IS STILL HOUSING SCRIM NAWTION.

ON THIS SHOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT POLICING PROBLEMS.

WE ARE NOT REALLY SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

>> THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK THE REPARATIONS MEAN YOU ARE GIVING A HANDOUT TO MONEY.

IT'S CREATING AND UNDERSTANDING WITHIN YOUR SOCIETY OF WHAT THAT COST IS AND IF IT MEANS YOU REALIZE WHAT PUTTING INTERSTATES THROUGH BLACK COMMUNITIES DID, AND FIXING THAT PROBLEM, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT RED LINING DID AND TRYING TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.

SO I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY MEANS THAT YOU GIVE A HANDOUT.

IT DOES MEAN, HOWEVER, MAKING AMENDS FOR A WRONG AND THAT'S WHAT REPARATIONS MEANS.

>> FIRST, DON'T USE THE WORD HANDOUT BECAUSE I'M NOT SAYING THESE INDIVIDUALS AREN'T OWED SOMETHING FOR THAT AND HANDOUT HAS A CONNOTATION THAT I THINK IS A LITTLE UNFAIR THERE.

BUT AGAIN, THE PROBLEM IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?

THE MONIES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND WE ARE WILLING TO SPEND ON THIS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO USE THOSE?

I THINK WE NEED TO, AS YOU SAID, GO ABOUT TRYING TO END THE SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS THAT ANIRBAN MENTIONED THAT ARE STILL EXISTING.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MONEY-- AND IT APPEARS CALIFORNIA DOESN'T THINK IT US-- TO GO AND MAKE REPARATIONS.

>> IN THE RUSH TO END THE SESSION LAST WEEK, IN ADDITION TO THE REPARATIONS, THE STATE LEGISLATURE ALSO MADE SOME CHANGES TO VOTING.

ONE IS THAT ANYONE COULD VOTE BY MAIL UP THROUGH ELECTION DAY - YOU WOULDN'T NEED AN EXCUSE ANYMORE TO GET AN ABSENTEE BALLOT.

AND COUNTY ELECTIONS WOULD MOVE FROM ODD YEARS TO THE EVEN YEARS WHEN WE VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT OR CONGRESS.

AGAIN THE GOVERNOR NEEDS TO SIGN THE BILLS FOR THEM TO BE LAW.

LET'S START WITH THE DATE CHANGE •.

RICK, SHOULD WE CHANGE THIS?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IN GENERAL, I'M IN FAVOR THAT INCREASES VOTER PARTICIPATION AND I THINK BOTH OF THESE WILL.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THE END DOESN'T ALWAYS JUSTIFY THE MEANS AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH BOTH OF THESE.

FIRST OF ALL, CHANGING TO ODD NUMBERED YEARS.

FIRST OF ALL, THIS ONLY DEALS WITH A HANDFUL OF OFFICES.

IT DOESN'T DEAL WITH ATTORNEY GENERALS, CITIES WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THIS.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO SAVE MONEY IN TERMS OF ELECTIONS.

AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THE DEMOCRATS PROPOSE THIS BECAUSE THEY THINK ULTIMATELY THIS WILL MEAN TOUGHER TIME FOR REPUBLICAN COUNTY EXECUTIVES IN COUNTIES THAT HAVE MORE DEMOCRATS THAN REPUBLICANS BECAUSE BEE KNOW WE KNOW THE TURNOUT IS VERY LOW IN ODD YEARS.

THERE IS CLEARLY A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE TO THIS.

IN TERMS OF THE MAIL-IN, I BELIEVE-- I ENJOYED THE EARLY VOTING AND I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

BUT THE STATE CITIZENS DID VOTE DOWN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE LED TO WHAT WAS CALLED NO EXCUSE ABSENTEE BALLOTING.

THIS PROPOSAL IS A WAY AROUND THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT POINT.

THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED THIS ASPECT OF NO EXCUSE ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING.

55% VOTED NO.

>> A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

>> YES.

AND THE IDEA IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT SECTION 27 WHICH GIVES THE LEGISLATURE THE POWER TO CHANGE VOTING LAWS AS THEY SEE FIT WHILE MAINTAINING ITS INTEGRITY.

I THINK BOTH PARTIES CAN BE HAPPY ABOUT THIS.

THERE IS THIS IDEA THAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS BOTH SHARE THAT MORE VOTING TURNOUT OR MORE-- IF MORE PEOPLE VOTE, THEN IT HURTS REPUBLICANS AND IT BENEFITS DEMOCRATS BUT THERE IS A BOOK CALLED TURNOUT MYTH TWO POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSORS WROTE THAT SHOWED ACTUALLY THE DATA DOES NOT PAN THAT OUT.

WHAT CHANGES ELECTIONS ARE OR FORTUNES OF POLITICIANS ARE SHORT-TERM FACTORS, WHERE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY IDENTIFY WITH A PARTICULAR PARTY TEND TO THEN SWITCH AT THE END BECAUSE OF SHORT-TERM FACTORS LIKE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON OR LONG-TERM INTERNATIONAL EVENTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO I THINK THERE IS HOPE THERE.

IT'S NOT REPUBLICANS SHOULD NOT GET WORKED UP BY THINKING THAT INCREASING TURNOUT WILL NECESSARILY LEAD TO WORST RESULT FOR REPUBLICANS.

NOW FOR ABSENTEE VOTING, I THINK IT'S LESS INTIMIDATING.

I FEEL STRANGE GOING TO VOTE.

I GOT A NEIGHBOR OF MINE TO GO WITH ME.

I DON'T KNOW WHY.

IT'S A IRRATIONAL REASON PERHAPS ON MY PART BUT IF COULD I MAIL IN MY VOTE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A BROAD-BASED INITIATIVE TO INCREASE DEMOCRATIC CULTURE AND I SUPPORT IT.

BUT LEGALLY, IT'S MURKY.

I THINK IT'S NOT VERY KOSHER LEGALLY SPEAKING.

>> CHAD, WHAT IS YOUR SENSE ON THIS?

>> ON THE FIRST ONE CHANGING THE DATE, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH WHAT ALL HAS BEEN SAID.

I THINK THAT THERE IS PROBABLY AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT WILL YOU HAVE A LESS EDUCATED ELECTORATE BOTH BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED TURNOUT WHO ARE PROBABLY DOING STRAIGHT TICKET VOTING BUT BECAUSE THE LOCAL CANDIDATES MESSAGES WILL BE PUSHED ASIDE IN FAVOR OF THE HIGH PROFILE RACES.

I THINK IT'S WEIRD THAT NEW YORK DOESN'T DO THIS ALREADY.

I WAS HOPING THERE WOULD BE MORE COST SAVINGS.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE TRUE...

AWE, THAT IS TOO BAD.

I HAVE A BIGGER ISSUE WITH THE ABSENTEE BALLOT ISSUE THOUGH.

TO ME, IT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT IF REPUBLICANS ARE RIGHT IN ARGUING THAT THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN ABSENTEE BALLOTS AND FRAUD.

I THINK THAT THE OPTICS OF AN ABSENTEE BALLOT ARE BAD.

AND I THINK THE OPTICS ARE IMPORTANT.

IMPORTANT FOR PROMOTING INTEGRITY AND THE FAITH IN DEMOCRATIC OUTCOMES.

AND SO THAT'S JUST THE EXTRA BIT TO EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SAY.

I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.

>> THERE ISN'T MUCH EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD.

>> I SAID I DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT.

I THINK THE OPTICS... >> I THINK THE OPTICS ABOUT FRAUD IS CREATED.

I THINK IT'S A COMPLETE NON-ISSUE.

BUT I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE WHERE NEW YORK NOW HAS COMPLETE DEMOCRATIC CONTROL, WHICH IT HASN'T HAD FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S LOOKING AT THE SOUTHERN STATES, REPUBLICAN, WHO HAVE MADE SO MANY LAWS TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR EVENE IF LOAN YAWS TO-- FELONIOUS TO VOTE AND NEW YORK IS SAYING WE CAN DO SOME OF THAT, TOO.

I THINK IT'S IFFY THAT THEY'RE DOING THESE THINGS BUT AT THE END, I LIKE VOTING AND I LIKE MORE PEOPLE VOTING AND I LIKE EVERYBODY VOTING.

I DON'T CARE HOW QUALIFIED THEY ARE TO VOTE.

THAT'S NEVER BEEN SOMETHING-- IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED OUT SAYING ONLY WHITE MEN WITH LAND CAN VOTE.

BUT I THINK WE ARE AWAY PRODUCE THAT.

SO I THINK-- WE ARE AWAY FROM THAT.

IT SHOULD BE A STATE HOLIDAY.

YOU SHOULD GIVE EVERYBODY AN ICE CREAM CONE TO VOTE.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE IS GOOD.

>> WHY DO WE NEED PEOPLE TO PHYSICALLY GO OUT TO A LOCATION IN 2023 TO VOTE.

ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN A DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF POLLING STATIONS.

YOU CAN'T HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE STANDING IN LINE IN HEAT, YOU CAN'T GIVE THEM WATER.

>> IT'S A MISDEMEANOR OR... >> HE ASKED THE QUESTION.

LET ME SAY THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THE OPTICS ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, CONSPIRACY THEORY OR WHATEVER, WHO ARE ATTACKING THE LEGITIMACY OF THE ELECTION EVEN IF THEIR CLAIMS ARE WRONG.

SO YOU COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE.

YOUR ISSUE ABOUT THE LONG LINES AND UNAVAILABILITY OF VOTING STATIONS.

THERE IS A PLACE WE CAN COMPROMISE AND SAY OKAY, LET'S MAKE THOSE MORE AVAILABLE.

LET'S DECREASE THE LINES, LET'S MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE.

BUT NOT THROUGH THIS MECHANISM THAT'S BEEN TARGETED AS, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, A SOURCE OF FRAUD.

>> SO RIGHTED OR WRONG DOESN'T REALLY MATTER?

>> I THINK THE OPTICS MATTER.

RIGHT OR WRONG IN WHAT SENSE?

>> THERE ARE SO MANY STATES THAT DO THIS AND HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS WITH NO FRAUD AT ALL AND JUST IN 2020, THE OPTICS WERE CREATED ONLY IN 2020.

>> I DON'T THINK IT STARTED IN 2020.

>> FLORIDA HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS.

>> ACCUSATIONS OF FRAUD DIDN'T BEGIN IN 2020.

>> BECOMING A SPECTACLE WITH THE MEDIA IT WAS MORE DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN PEOPLE WERE TURNING IN MORE BALLOTS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP VOTED BY, YOU KNOW, ABSENTEE BALLOT, RIGHT?

SO I DO THINK-- ONE THING I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A FEDERAL HOLIDAY FOR ELECTIONS.

MANY OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE IT.

SO MORE PEOPLE VOTING... >> VIRGINIA JUST DID THAT NOW.

>> SO YOU PUT THAT ON THE TABLE.

YOU DO A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.

YOU DID MORE STATIONS.

YOU ARE OKAY WITH GETTING ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WANT AND AS A SACRIFICE, YOU GIVE UP NO EXCUSE ABSECRETARY OF STATE TEE VOTING.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

>> NO.

>> OKAY, LET'S-- I CAN WARM UP ON THAT BUT... >> >> LET'S TURN TO AN INTERNATIONAL STORY THAT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT RIGHT HERE.

CONGRESS RECENTLY GAVE INCENTIVES TO MANUFACTURERS IF THEY'LL MAKE SEMICONDUCTOR CHIPS IN THE U.S. THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY REASONS MICRON SAID IT WOULD BUILD HERE.

BUT CONGRESS ALSO SAID THAT COMPANIES THAT GET THE MONEY HAVE TO CUT BACK ON MANUFACTURING IN CHINA.

IT APPEARS THE BIDEN IS GOING TO GIVE A SECOND EXEMPTION TO TIIAN AND SOUTH KOREA TO THE LIMIT TO THE MANUFACTURING.

IS THAT A GOOD IDEA, CHAD?

>> I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NECESSARY.

AND TO HELP UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND BIDEN-ONICS WHICH ECONOMISTS CALL A SLIGHTLY MORE SANITIZED VERSION OF DONALD TRUMP'S AMERICA FIRST WORLD VIEW.

DISPOSES OF THE OF THE LONG STANDING PRECEDENT FOR THE U.S. TO SUPPORT FREE MARKETS IN FAVOR OF INDUSTRIAL POLICY WHICH IS AN ATTEMPT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT KEY INDUSTRIES, INCLUDING CHIPS IN THIS CASE.

THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S ANGERED A LOT OF OUR ALLIES, MOST NOTABLY TAIWAN WHERE CHIPS ACCOUNT FOR 15% OF THEIR G.D.P.

OUR ALLIES ARE RIGHTFULLY UPSET WITH US AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE REVERSING COURSE HERE.

>> WELL, ALSO, THINGS ARE NOT MOVING AHEAD AS QUICKLY IN THE UNITED STATES.

THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT TAIWAN SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING PLANT IN PHOENIX IS BEHIND SCHEDULE AND THERE ARE SOME CULTURAL PROBLEMS.

AND SO I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THE CHINESE CHIPS AS FAST AS WE WANTED TO.

AND WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE NOW IN, YOU KNOW, AN INTEGRATED WORLD ECONOMY AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE OCCASIONALLY TO DEAL WITH OUR ENEMIES.

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" JUST THIS LAST WEEK REPORTED THAT THE U.S. IS STILL PAYING RUSSIA A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR ENRICHED URANIUM.

BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET IT FROM ANYWHERE ELSE AND WE CLEARLY ARE MORE CONFLICTS WITH RUSSIA THAN WE DO CHINA.

SO I AGREE WITH CHAD.

THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK IS NECESSARY TO EXTEND THE EXEMPTIONS.

>> YEAH, I MEAN I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU IN SAYING THAT GIVEN THE INTEGRATED NATURE OF THE GLOBAL ECONOMY, THIS WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR BIDEN TO DO AND BIDEN'S ADMINISTRATION IS FINDING THAT OUT.

TAIWANESE SILICON INDUSTRY, IT IS CALLED TO HAVE A SILICON SHIELD.

IT SUPPLIES 90% OF THE WORLD'S ADVANCED SEMICONDUCTORS, 15% OF THE G.D.P.

IT HAS HUGE TRADE RELATIONS WITH CHINA, SOUTH KOREA HAS TRADE RELATIONS WITH CHINA.

THE UNITED STATES IS SAYING WE CANNOT EXPAND CAPACITY IMMEDIATELY BUT YOU CANNOT DO, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS WITH CHINA.

THAT WOULD NOT PAN OUT WELL IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY.

THERE ARE OTHER COUNTRIES THAT WANT IT, RIGHT?

NOW A LITTLE POINT APART, THIS AMERICA SUPPORTING FREE TRADE AROUND THE WORLD, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A MYTH.

UNITED STATES GENERALLY HAS ONLY WANTED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER INTERVENTIONS, YOU CAN ASK LATIN AMERICAN EXPERIENCE, IT'S NOT ABOUT FREE TRADE IT'S ABOUT ENRICHING THE UNITED STATES MOSTLY.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS WILL PAN OUT OR NOT.

I DO THINK THE UNITED STATES HAVE SEVERE HURDLES IN CREATING THESE KIND OF BROAD-BASED INDUSTRIES.

I THINK THAT TIME IN THE UNITED STATES HAS PASSED.

>> TYE, WILL THIS HAVE AN IMPACT ON MICRON, DO YOU THINK?

>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL.

REMEMBER, WHAT CHINA DOES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE VERY SMALLEST CHIPS, THE TWO NANOMETER, 3 NANOMETER THAT ARE AT THE NATIONAL STRATEGIC LEAF, AT THAT A.I.

DATA CENTERS AND CHINA IS NOT MAKING THOSE ANYWAY.

THOSE ARE MADE IN TAIWAN AND THEY USE A DUTCH COMPANY, JAPANESE CHEMICALS.

IT IS A COMPLETE WORLD ECONOMY THAT IS CREATING THESE.

AND CHINA CAN'T DO IT BY THEMSELVES.

SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

I THINK THE ONES THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT FOR OUR FAL SECURITY ARE COMING FROM TAIWAN ANYWAY.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT BIG A DIFFERENCE.

IT'S HAPPENING ANYWAY.

IT'S A GOOD POLICY THEY'RE DOING AND I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT UP.

>> A BRIEF NOTE ON UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

CHINA IMPORTS $400 MILLION WORTH OF CHIPS PER YEAR AS A RESULT OF THIS, THEY STARTED TO POACH TAIWANESE ENGINEERS AND CHIP MAKERS TO BRING TO THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TAIWAN IS UPSET.

>> THEY IMPORT MORE MONEY FOR CHIPS THAN OIL IN CHINA.

THEY BUY MORE CHIPS.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST PART OF THE GLOBAL ECONOMY.

CHINA WANTS A PART OF IT BUT THEIR ECONOMY, THEIR POLITICS MEANS THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO DO IT AS WELL AS WE DO, AS WELL AS THE TAIWAN EASE, DUTCH AND BRITISH.

>> SECRETARY BLINKEN ON HIS WAY TO CHINA.

WHAT SHOULD HE BE TALKING TO THE CHINESE ABOUT?

>> WELL, WITH RESPECT TO THIS, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I USUALLY SHARE THE VIEW NAT NATIONAL INDUSTRIAL POLICY DOESN'T WORK BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHERE IT DID WORK AND THAT IS IN CREATING VACCINES FOR THE VIRUS.

THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN U.S. COMPANIES AND U.S. GOVERNMENT, I'M CONVINCED THAT WITHOUT BOTH OF THOSE PARTNERSHIPS, THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE COME UP, I KNOW THAT'S NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.

>> AND A GERMAN COMPANY, TOO.

>> BUT THE U.S. CORPORATE AND GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIPS, I THINK WERE THE REASON WE WERE ABLE TO DEAL WITH... >> WE HAVE TO-- WE HAVE TO OPEN UP THE GRADEBOOK.

RICK, WE'LL START WITH YOU AND YOUR F. >> TO MEXICAN SOCCER FANS AT LAST NIGHT'S U.S. MEXICO MATCH IN LAS VEGAS.

REFEREE HAD TO END THE GAME EARLY AS MEXICAN FANS CONTINUED TO CHANT HOMOPHOBIC SLURS.

THEY HAVE BEEN CLEARLY MORE HAS TO BE DONE TO TO Y LEM NATE THIS STAIN FROM THE BEAUTIFUL GAME.

>> CHAD.

>> MARK OWE RUBIO TOLD AMERICANS THAT TRUMP WAS DANGEROUS AND WE MUST NOT HAND THE NUCLEAR CODES OF THE UNITED STATES TO AN ERRATIC INDIVIDUAL.

BUT NOW RATHER THAN SAY I TOLD YOU SO, RUBIO HAS CLAIMED THAT TRUMP'S INDICTMENT ALLEGES NO REAL DAMAGE TO NATIONAL SECURITY.

RUBIO SHOULD BE TAKING CREDIT FOR BEING RIGHT.

INSTEAD HE IS TAKING AN F. >> WHO GETS YOUR F. >> MY F TO RON DeSANTIS AND MIKE PENCE NAMING AFTER BRAXTON BRAGG, A CRUEL ENSLAVER.

IN 2021 CONGRESS PASSED A LAW TO CREATE A COMMISSION TO RENAME IT.

WE NEEDED TO RENAME THEM.

DeSANTIS AND PENCE ARE PANDERING TO AMERICA'S WORST INSTINCTS.

SHAME ON THEM.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> MY F GOES TO THE TRUMP ELECTION LOSER KERRY FOR INCITING GUN VIOLENCE AGAINST JOURNALISTS AND BIDEN AS REVENGE.

RELATED TO CLASSIFIED NATIONAL SECURITY DOCUMENTS, GIVEN THAT POLITICIANS ARE GENERALLY NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF INCITING VIOLENCE, THIS IS A PARTICULARLY RECKLESS AND COWARD ACT.

>> SOMEBODY HAS DONE SOMETHING WELL, RICK.

>> MY A GO IS TO MORE THAN 27,000 OAKLAND ATHLETICS FANS THAT TOOK PART IN A REVERSE BOYCOTT TUESDAY NIGHT.

THEY HAVE THE WORST RECORD IN PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL, AVERAGE ATTENDANCE IS UNDER 9,000 FANS A GAME BUT FANS SAY THIS DOESN'T SHOW THAT THEY DON'T LOVE BASEBALL.

THEY BLAME THE POOR ATTENDANCE ON THE OWNERS DECISION TO TRADE AWAY THEIR BEST PRICES AND RAISE TICKET PRICES.

UNFORTUNATELY THE STORY DOESN'T HAVE A HAPPY ENDING.

IT APPEARS THE TEAM WILL BE MOVING TO LAS VEGAS.

>> CHAD.

>> MY A GOES TO COLGATE ALUM JAMES BUCKNER ORDAINED TO THE PRIESTHOOD.

IT WILL COVER VERONA BEACH AND VERNON AND OTHER PLACES.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE CALL TO SERVICE.

>> PRIVATE HENRY JOHNSON.

ALBANY NATIVE SERVED IN THE HARLEM HELL FIGHTERS IN 1941.

HE WAS WOUNDED 2 IS TIMES AND WHEN HE CAME BACK, HE HAD A PARADE DOWN FIFTH AVENUE WHERE THEY CALLED HIM BY HIS BLACK NAME BLACK DEATH.

IN 2015 PRESIDENT OBAMA AWARDED HIM THE MEDAL OF HONOR POSTHUMOUSLY AND HE HAS A FORT NAMED AFTER HIM, IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

>> AND ANIRBAN.

>> MY A GOES TO BROOKLYN'S BROWNSVILLE SAFETY ALLIANCE, A GROUP OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND CITY GROUPS POLICE OFFICERS AND MEMBERS OF THE KINGS COUNTY THAT IS TRYING TO ENSURE THAT FEWER PEOPLE ARE ARRESTED AND ENTANGLED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

THEY'RE DOING THIS BY ALLOWING COMMUNITY LEADERS TO RESPOND TO 911 CALLS FOR LOW LEVEL STREET CRIMES.

THIS IS SUPPORTED BY COMMUNITY LEADERS.

BROWNSVILLE IS SHOWING THE PROMISES OF SELF POLICED COMMUNITIES.

>> TY, RELATED TO THE BASE CHANGES.

YOU SAID YOU HAVE BEEN GOING TO SOME OF THOSE CELEBRATIONS.

>> UNBELIEVABLE.

I WENT TO THE ONE WHERE FORT ROBERT E. LEE WAS CHANGED TO HONOR TWO AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHO SERVED IN THE LOGISTICS BRANCH.

IT WAS ALMOST LIKE GOING TO CHURCH.

IT WAS SUCH A CELEBRATION ABOUT ALL THAT IS GREAT ABOUT AMERICA AND PUTTING TO REST THOSE WHO SERVED TO CREATE A SLAVE REPUBLICAN REPUBLIC.

THANK YOU.

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