>>> NOW, AROUND THE WORLD LGBTQ+ RIGHTS HAVE BEEN IN DECLINE OVER THE PAST YEAR FROM AMERICA TO EUROPE TO AFRICA.

NEW LAWS HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED TARGETING THEIR SAFETY.

KIMAHLI POWELL IS CEO OF RAINBOW RAILROAD, AN ORGANIZATION THAT PERSECUTION AND HE IS JOINING HARI SREENIVASAN TO DISCUSS THE INCREASING RISKS FACING THAT COMMUNITY.

>> THANKS.

KIMAHLI POWELL, CEO OF THE RAINBOW RAILROAD.

YOU PUT OUT AN ANNUAL REPORT AND YOU DOCUMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED 10,000 REQUESTS FOR AID LAST YEAR.

WHY DO YOU THINK 2022 WAS THE MOST NUMBER OF REQUESTS YOU EVER HAD?

>> OUR WORK INTERSECTS BETWEEN TWO DISPARATE CRISES.

ONE IS THAT THE UNHGR REPORTS THAT THERE ARE 110 MILLION PEOPLE DISPLACED IN 2023.

THAT'S THE HIGHEST NUMBER ON RECORD.

THERE ARE 67 COUNTRIES THAT CRIMINALIZE SAME-SEX INTIMACY.

AS WE SEE A NUMBER OF GEOPOLITICAL POLITICAL CRISES AND CONCERNS WHETHER IT'S IN AFGHANISTAN OR UKRAINE OR EARTHQUAKES IN SYRIA, WE KNOW THAT LGBTQ+ PERSONS ARE INCREASINGLY AT RISK, WHICH IS WHY THEY REACHED OUT TO OUR ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP.

>> WE RECENTLY HAD WORLD REFUGEE DAY AND TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF THE COMPOUNDING PROBLEM THAT IT IS TO BE A REFUGEE FLEEING YOUR HOME GOING INTO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND ALSO BEING LGBTQ+.

>> YOU KNOW, THE RULES OF THE REFUGEE CONVENTION MEAN THAT IF YOU ARE FLEEING A COUNTRY BASED ON WAR, FAMINE OR ANY OTHER ISSUE, YOU NEED TO FLEE TO YOUR NEIGHBORING COUNTRY AND REGISTER WITH THE U.N.

REFUGEE AGENCY.

IN THE SITUATION OF UGANDA, WHICH I KNOW IS TOP OF MIND, FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE IN UGANDA NEED TO FLEE TO NEIGHBORING KENYA.

BOTH COUNTRIES CRIMINALIZE SAME-SEX SAIMT.

IF YOU ARE LGBTQ+ AND YOU ARE TRYING TO SEEK PROTECTION THE FIRST HURDLE IS CROSSING THAT LAND BORDER AND GETTING INTO THE COUNTRY.

IT'S CERTAINLY DIFFICULT IF YOU ARE A WOMAN OR IF YOU ARE A TRANS.

BUT EVEN IF YOU COULD GET TO THAT LAND BORDER, THEN YOU ARE TRYING TO REGISTER FOR A U.N.

REFUGEE AGENCY OR GET PROTECTION IN THE COUNTRY THAT ALSO CRIMINALIZES SAME-SEX INTIMACY AND DISCRIMINATION THE BECAUSE SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.

WE HAVE SEEN REPORTS OF VIOLENCE, PERSECUTION IN THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN WHERE PEOPLE ARE INTERNALLY DISPLACED OR AS THEY SEEK REFUGEE PROTECTION.

>> IN UGANDA THEY ALREADY HAD SOME OF THE TOUGHEST ANTI-GAY LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND THIS WAS A COUNTRY THAT YOU WERE GETTING REQUESTS FROM ALREADY.

BUT JUST RECENTLY THEY PASSED A LAW THAT I THINK THE PHRASE IS AGGRAVATED HOMOSEXUALITY AND IT WOULD CARRY A DEATH PENALTY.

WHAT HAS THAT DONE?

HAVE YOU SEEN AN IMPACT ON THAT ALREADY?

I KNOW THIS REPORT BASED ON STUFF LAST YEAR.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IN UGANDA?

>> ONE THE REASONS WE DO THE REPORT IS BECAUSE THERE IS LIMITED DATA ON THE PERSECUTION OF LGBTQ+ PERSONS, WHICH IS WHY WE LAUNCHED ONBOARD REFUGEE DAY.

LAST YEAR UGANDA WAS AMONGST THE TOP TEN COUNTRIES OF BUT WE RECEIVED REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE.

NEARLY, YOU KNOW, OVER 300 REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE.

THE GOOD THING ABOUT OUR DATA IS WE ARE ABLE TO TRACK DATA REAL TIME SO WE CAN RESPOND TO CRISIS SITUATIONS.

IN 2023 SO FAR WE'VE RECEIVED DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE FROM UGANDA AND THE VAST MAJORITY IS OVER 600 REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE CAME SINCE MARCH WHEN THE ANTI-HOMOSEXUALITY LAW WAS PASSED IN PARLIAMENT.

THE DIRECT CORRELATION WITH THE FURTHER AGGREGATION OF THESE LAWS AND THE PERSECUTION OF PEOPLE.

NOW UGANDA IS AMONGST 12 NATIONS THAT IMPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY ON PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE OR WHO THEY LOVE.

>> TELL ME, WHAT ARE YOU ABLE TO DO, WHAT'S YOUR ORGANIZATION ABLE TO DO, WHAT ARE THE PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS ON THE GROUND ABLE TO DO FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE REACHING OUT FOR HELP?

>> RAINBOW RAILROAD HAS DEVELOPED A MODEL BY WHICH WE WORK COLLECTIVELY WITH HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS ON THE GROUND TO VERIFY, IDENTIFY PEOPLE AT RISK.

WHEN WE DO THAT, WE DO THAT -- PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO US DIRECTLY ONLINE IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES.

WE ALSO RELY ON OUR PARTNER NETWORKS TO HELP US IDENTIFY CASES DIRECTLY ON THE GROUND.

ONCE WE DO THAT, WE INITIATE TRAVEL OPTIONS WHERE WE CAN.

SOMETIMES THERE ARE VERY LIMITED OPTIONS.

WE LOOK AT THE TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL.

AND THEN ALSO WE CONDUCT TRAVEL AND EVACUATIONS OURSELVES ALONGSIDE THE INDIVIDUAL AT RISK.

OFTEN IN THOSE CASES WE HAVE TO ADD VO CAUGHT FOR PATHWAYS TO SAFETY CALLING ON GOVERNMENTS TO WORK COLLECTIVELY WITH US ESPECIALLY IN A CRISES SITUATION.

WE ARE CONTINUALLY THEN LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN LEARN FROM OUR WORK TO PROVIDE MORE SUPPORT FOR PEOPLE AT RISK.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IN YOUR REPORT WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE LIST OF TOP TEN COUNTRIES OF REQUEST, I MEAN, YOU GO PAST AFGHANISTAN, PAKISTAN, TURKEY, AND YOU HAVE GOT -- BUT DOWN AT NUMBER EIGHT IS THE UNITED STATES.

EXPLAIN HOW THE UNITED STATES GOT ON THIS LIST OF PEOPLE REQUESTING ASSISTANCE FROM ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS.

>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL UNPACKING AS AN ORGANIZATION TO BE HONEST.

BUT THE DATA REALLY POINTS TO AN ALARMING TREND THAT LGBTQ+ PEOPLE FROM THE UNITED STATES ARE REACHING OUT TO US FOR ASSISTANCE AND THEY ARE DOING IT IN TWO ASPECTS.

ONE, THEY ARE ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO ARE REACH OUT FOR ASSISTANCE, BUT ALSO U.S.-BORN CITIZENS WHO ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE FACING DANGER AND ARE LOOKING FOR ASSISTANCE TO FLEE THE STATE OR RELOCATE TO ANOTHER STATE OR ANOTHER COUNTRY, WHICH IS ALARMING.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THOSE REQUESTS FOR HELP AND U.S. POLICY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

ONE OF THE THINGS OUR DATA DOES IS LOOK AT SPIKES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND WE SAW TWO INTERESTING SPIKES.

ONE WAS ALONG THE ADOPTION OF ANTI-LGBTQ+ AND IN PARTICULAR ANTI-TRANS LAWS IN VAURS STATES LIKE FLORIDA.

BUT THE SECOND WHICH WAS A LITTLE MORE SURPRISING TO US WAS AFTER ROE V. WADE AND WE -- A SPIKE THEN I THINK WAS RELATED TO SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE SINCE BEEN SOLVED WITH THE PROTECT MARRIAGE ACT THAT ROE V. WADE WOULD OPEN THE DOOR FOR LESS PROTECTION ABOUT LGBTQ+ PERSONS.

SO YOU SEE THE DATA POINTS A GENERAL FEAR FROM PEOPLE AND CONTINUES TO THIS YEAR.

THE UNITED STATES IN 2023 IS AMONGST THE TOP THREE COUNTRIES OF REQUEST FOR HELP OUTSIDE OF AFGHANISTAN AND UGANDA.

SO IT'S A DEEP CONCERN FOR US.

AND WE ARE LOOKING CAREFULLY ABOUT HOW WE WORK WITH OTHER PARTNERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO ADDRESS THIS PHENOMENON.

>> HOW DO YOU SORT OUT THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN STATES INSIDE THIS COUNTRY WHERE YOU ARE GETTING REQUESTS FOR ASENS FROM, AND AT THE SAME TIME THIS COUNTRY IS ALSO THE PLACE WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO RE-SETTLE, SOME PEOPLE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD, BECAUSE THE RIGHTS HERE ARE BETTER THAN WHAT THEY ARE FLEEING?

>> YEAH, TO BE CLEAR, RAINBOW RAILROAD IS CONTINUOUSLY ADVOCATING WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FOR INCREASED RESETTLEMENT TO THE UNITED STATES.

AND THAT IS -- THAT CONTINUES TO BE OUR POSITION.

AND AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE MONITORING AND ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF LGBTQ+ PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHEN WE RELOCATE PEOPLE THROUGH INTERNATIONAL BORDER, WE ARE LOOKING WHETHER THERE ARE GENERAL PROTECTIONS UNDER THE LAW FOR LGBTQ+ PERSONS AND, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE REFUGEE PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

AND OUR REQUESTS -- AND ASSISTANCE IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES EBB AND FLOW.

YOU KNOW, WHEN LGBTQ+ PERSONS WERE FACING THE TENSION UNDER THE SO-CALLED MUSLIM BAN PREVIOUSLY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE PAUSED RESETTLEMENT INTO THE UNITED STATES.

AND SO -- AND WE DO THAT IN MULTIPLE COUNTRIES AS WELL.

AT THE MOMENT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE STATES' LAWS ARE CONCERNING, THERE ARE STILL OVERARCHING PROTECTIONS LEGALLY FOR LGBTQ+ IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND ALSO WHAT WE -- ALL OF OUR INTERVENTIONS, WHETHER IT'S DIRECTLY IN COUNTRIES THAT CRIMINALIZE SAME-SEX INTIMACY IN THE UNITED STATES ARE DRIVEN BY PEOPLE AND PARTNERS IN THE GROUND.

WE LOOK CLOSELY TO OUR PART WHO ARE ASYLUM SEEKERS, SOUGHT ASYLUM IN THE UNITED STATES AND SAID, YOU KNOW, AND WE ARE SAYING AND HAVING THE CONVERSATION SHOULD WE CONTINUE OUR EFFORTS AND WORK AND ALSO THEY SAY YES BECAUSE AS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF FLEEING THEIR COUNTRY IT'S ONE THING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT LAWS IN THE STATES, ANOTHER THING THIS TO BE FLEEING YOUR COUNTRY BECAUSE IT'S LIFE AND DEATH AND THE UNITED STATES IS STILL SOLACE FOR MANY PEOPLE.

>> WHEN NEW BY THE BIG PICTURE, IS THERE ANY KIND OF SIMILARITY BETWEEN WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING IN FLORIDA AND WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING IN ANOTHER PART ARE THE OF THE WORLD?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THERE ARE WELL FUNDED RESOURCE GROUPS UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES RELIGIOUS GROUPS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND OTHER PARTS.

WORLD THAT ARE FUNDING THESE LEGISLATIONS.

SOMETIMES THEY ARE COPYCAT LAWS FROM STATE TO STATE AND ALSO FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY.

SO THERE IS A BLUEPRINT, A PLAYBOOK ON ANTI-LGBTQ+ AND ANTI-TRANS LAWS THAT ARE BEING PASSED AROUND AND ABUNDANT FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY WHICH IS DRIVING THE LEGISLATION.

WE ARE SEEING THAT SAME MOVEMENT HAPPEN OVERSEAS.

THERE IS -- IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE THIS IS HAPPENING.

>> SO I AM LOOKING AT YOUR REPORT HERE AND THE TOP TEN COUNTRY OF REQUEST, NUMBER ONE AFGHANISTAN.

IS THIS RESULT OF THE TALIBAN TAKEN OVER?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, VERY DIFFICULT TO RELOCATE PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN BEFORE THE FALL OF THE TALIBAN -- OF KABUL AND THE TALIBAN AND THERE WAS A DIRECT CORRELATION WITH WITHDRAWAL OF U.S. AND COALITION FORCES.

THE TAKEOVER OF THE TALIBAN AND THE EVACUATION OF PEOPLE, THAT LED TO THE SPIKE IN REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE.

WE RELEASED ANOTHER REPORT ON AFGHANISTAN.

I HAVE A DIRECTLY BEEN IN NEIGHBORING PAKISTAN MORE THAN ONCE TO HELP SET UP OUR NETWORK, YOU KNOW.

OUR ORGANIZATION WAS NEVER -- NEVER ANTICIPATED US BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF GEOPOLITICAL CRISES BUT WE ARE SEEING -- AFGHANISTAN WAS A REAL EXAMPLE OF A LARGER GEOPOLITICAL SITUATION THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTED LGBTQ+ PEOPLE AT RISK.

SO WE HAD TO ACT.

WE HAVE RELOCATED PEOPLE FROM AFGHANISTAN.

WITH THAT COMES AN INCREASE IN REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE WHICH IS DOCUMENTED IN THE REPORT.

>> YOU WERE IN ISLAMABAD HELPING AFGHANS LEAVING THAT COUNTRY AND COMING INTO PAKISTAN.

WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

>> THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHAT IT IS FOR PEOPLE TO FLEE FROM ONE COUNTRY OF PERSECUTION TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORING COUNTRY IN ORDER TO SEEK PROTECTION.

YOU KNOW, PAKISTAN ALSO CRIMINALIZES SAME-SEX INTIMACY, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME PROTECTIONS FOR TRANS INDIVIDUALS A.

AND SO THE -- THE -- WERE MOTIVATED BY BUILDING THEIR PARTNERSHIP NETWORK.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH AFGHANISTAN IS CIVIL SOCIETY ORGANIZATIONS AND PEOPLE WERE FLEEING THE COUNTRY.

SO WE NEEDED TO SET UP AS MUCH NEIGHBORING NETWORKS AS POSSIBLE.

I AM THANKFUL FOR OUR PARTNERS ON THE GROUND WHO WERE ADVOCACY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS WHICH TRANSFORMED THEIR OFFICES INTO SAFE HOUSES WHILE WE BUILT A SAFE HOUSE SYSTEM.

IT'S PART OF THE JOB THAT WE DO TO HELP ESTABLISH OUR PARTNERSHIP MODEL IN THE COUNTRIES THAT SOMETIMES AREN'T ALWAYS SAFE.

>> THE OTHER CRISIS THAT IS GETTING A LOT OF AIR TIME IS THE WAR IN UKRAINE, BUT OFTEN THERE ARE POPULATIONS INSIDE UKRAINE, INSIDE RUSSIA THAT ARE NOT TALKED ABOUT AS MUCH.

IN YOUR REPORT, YOU TALK ABOUT THIS CRISIS AND WHAT IT'S DONE.

HOW HAS THAT WAR MADE THINGS WORSE FOR THE LGBTQ+ POPULATIONS?

I GUESS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS WAR.

>> YEAH, FIRST IN UKRAINE.

YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN WAS ENSURING THAT LGBTQ+ PEOPLE HAD ACCESS TO SAFE HAVENS IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES.

FORTUNATELY, WITH THE CONFLICT, CIVIL SOCIETY ORGANIZATIONS IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES HAVE TEND UP TO PROVIDE SUPPORT AND WE HAVE WORKED TO FACILITATE THE, AGAIN, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THOSE SAFE HOUSES AND RESORTS SO PEOPLE FLEEING UKRAINE CAN GET ACCESS TO THOSE RESOURCES.

I THINK THERE REMAINS CHALLENGES IN PARTICULAR FOR TRANSGENDER WOMEN WHO ARE FACING DIFFICULTY LEAVING THE COUNTRY AND THE GENERAL INSTABILITY OF UKRAINE.

THERE WERE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, INCREMENTAL ADVANCES FOR LGBTQ+ PERSONS IN THE COUNTRY, BUT BY FAR THE-DEGREE HAS NOT HAD OVERALL PROTECTIONS OF LGBTQ+ PEOPLE.

AND RUSSIA THE SITUATION IS LITTLE MORE DIRE.

WE ACTUALLY SAW MORE REQUESTS IN RUSSIA FROM PEOPLE DISPLACED.

OUR WORK IN RUSSIA HAS BEEN CONTINUOUS SINCE THE 2013 ANTI-LBGTQ PROPAGANDA LAW AND SUBSEQUENT REPUBLICS LIKE CHECHNYA TORTURING LGBTQ+ PERSONS.

WE ARE CONCERNED WHILE THE FOCUS IS ON RUSSIA'S AGGRESSION OF UKRAINE, THE CONFLICT EFFECTS LGBTQ+ PEOPLE IN RUSSIA WITH LIMITED OPTIONS FOR EVACUATION OR RESETTLEMENT.

>> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE STORIES YOU HAVE HEARD FROM THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE EITHER FLEEING COUNTRIES LIKE AFGHANISTAN OR UGANDA AND ARE LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE, WHETHER IT'S IN THE UNITED STATES OR EUROPE OR ELSEWHERE?

>> YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE KIND OF HONOR TO KIND OF MEET SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE HELPED.

SOMETIMES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE JOURNEY, AND YOU KNOW ACTUALLY JUST RECENTLY I WAS IN NEW YORK, LAUNCHING A -- ON REFUGEE DAY AND IN THE ROOM WAS -- WERE THREE INDIVIDUALS WE HELPED.

AND ONE THAT REALLY STRUCK AT ME WAS SOMEONE THAT WAS FROM KENYA, ACTUALLY, WHO FLED TO UGANDA, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WHICH ALSO RECEIVES REFUGEES.

AND SO THEY WERE DOES PLACED IN KENYA.

THEY FLED TO UGANDA WHILE WAITING OUR SUPPORT.

AND THEN WITH OUR SUPPORT WE HELPED THEM RELOCATE TO THE UNITED STATES.

YOU KNOW, THEY SPOKE ABOUT KIND OF WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO HAVE TO FLEE AS A HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS BECAUSE THEIR HOUSE WAS LITERALLY BURNING DOWN AND WHAT IT MEANT FOR THEM TO HAVE SAFETY AND PROTECTION IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> I KNOW YOU WORK ON ADVOCACY ISSUES AND LEGISLATION.

HAVE THERE BEEN ANY SUCCESSES FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION AND YOUR CAUSE IN THE CLIMATE OF INCREASES ANTI-TRANS LEGISLATION IN THE UNITED STATES?

>> OUR ADVOCACY IN THE UNITED STATES IS GUIDED BY MEMORANDA BY THE PRESIDENT ON THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF LGBTQ+ PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.

AND THAT MEMORANDA STATED TWO IMPORTANT THINGS.

ONE, AROUND ENHANCING THE U.S. ROLE IN ENHANCE HUMAN RIGHTS AROUND THE WORLD.

WE BELIEVE THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO WALK THE TALK BY MAKING SURE WE ARE ENHANCING HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE COUNTRY.

THE SECOND ONE IS PROTECTION FOR LGBTQ+ REFUGEES.

AND ONE REAL OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING RIGHT NOW WHICH IS ADVANCEMENT, IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PRIVATE SPONSOR PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS CITIZENS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO WORK WITH RAINBOW RAILROAD TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR LGBTQ+ REFUGEES.

>> IF YOU A MESSAGE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN OUR COUNTRY AND ARE LOOKING FOR WAY OUT, WHAT IS THAT?

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO BE SAFE.

THAT'S THE FIRST MESSAGE THAT WE PROVIDE WITH PEOPLE THAT REACH OUT TO US.

SOMETIMES THEY SEEM IN REAL IMMINENT DANGER AND, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN SOLIDARITY WITH YOU IN YOUR COUNTRY AND ORGANIZATIONS LIKE RAINBOW RAILROAD WHO ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN FOR HELP.

AND I WOULD ALSO EXTEND THAT SAME MESSAGE TO GOVERNMENTS.

YOU KNOW, WE REACHED AN HISTORIC MILESTONE WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CANADA, WHO IS PARTNERING WITH RAINBOW RAILROAD THROUGH A DIRECT TRUST AND REFERRAL.

AND WE WANT TO DO THAT IN THE UNITED STATES AND OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL BECAUSE ALSO WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO TELL THAT PERSON LISTENING IS THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS FOR YOU, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE OPTIONS UNLESS GOVERNMENTS STEP UP TO ADDRESS THE SCALE OF THE CRISIS.

KIMAHLI POWELL, CEO OF THE RAINBOW RAILROAD.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.