>> INDIANA REPUBLICANS PASS A NEAR-TOTAL ABORTION BAN.

ELI LILLY AND CUMMINS WEIGH IN ON THE BAN, AFTER IT BECAME LAW.

PLUS, A MASSIVE FEDERAL CLIMATE, HEALTH CARE AND TAX BILL AND MORE ON INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING AUGUST 12, 2022.

>> "INDIAN WEEK IN REVIEW" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF THE INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS.

>> THIS WEEK, INDIANA REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS VOTED LATE LAST FRIDAY TO FORCE THOUSANDS MORE PEOPLE TO GIVE BIRTH EVERY YEAR IN A STATE WITH SOME OF THE WORST MATERNAL AND INFANT MORTALITY RATES IN THE COUNTRY.

>> ABORTIONS WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED IF THE PREGNANT PERSON'S SERIOUS HEALTH OR LIFE IS AT RISK IF THERE'S A LETHAL FETAL ANOMALY UP TO 20 WEEKS AND IN CASES OF RAPE OR INCEST, BUT ONLY UP TO 10 WEEKS.

REPUBLICAN SENATOR LIZ BROWN SAYS THE BAN IS THE CULMINATION OF YEARS OF BATTLES.

SEN. LIZ BROWN: WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE MORE WORK TO DO BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE IT UNIMAGINABLE TO END AN UNBORN BABY'S LIFE.

DEMOCRATIC SENATOR SHELLI YODER SAYS WOMEN SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK FOR CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN BODIES.

SEN. SHELLI YODER: IT'S NOT COMPASSIONATE.

IT'S NOT PRO-LIFE.

IT'S PRO-PUNISHMENT.

PUNISHMENT OF WOMEN WHO DARE TO LIVE AS FREELY AS MEN.

>> GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB QUICKLY SIGNED THE BILL.

>> WHAT IS THE FALLOUT FROM THE ABORTION BAN?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND NIKI KELLY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF FOR THE INDIANA CAPITOL CHRONICLE.

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATEHOUSE BUREAU CHIEF BRANDON SMITH.

ANN DELANEY, INDIANA VOTERS HAVE SENT REPUBLICAN SUPERMAJORITIES TO THE STATEHOUSE FOR NEARLY A DECADE.

ISN'T THIS WHAT THEY WANTED?

>> OH, I DON'T THINK THIS IS WHAT THEY WANTED.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE SENDING CRUEL PEOPLE TO THE STATE HOUSE.

THEY DID NOT WANT TO TAKE A NONBINDING REFERENDUM TO SEE WHAT THE VOTERS WANTED LIKE THEY DID IN KANSAS.

THEY HAD 49 PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE CAUCUS, 49 REPUBLICANS SAY THAT 10-YEAR-OLD SHOULD HAVE BEEN FORCED TO CARRY THE OFFSPRING.

>> 39.

>> MORE THAN HALF OF THEM SAID SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FORCED TO TAKE THE CHILD TO TERM, BECAUSE AT AGE 10, YOU CAN'T DELIVER VAGINALLY.

THAT IS THEIR IDEA OF WHAT THEIR RELIGION DEMANDS AND THEY WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE ELSE DO THAT.

THEY DID IT SO QUICKLY THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK THROUGH WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

I DON'T MEAN IN TERMS OF THE LIMITATIONS AND ALL.

A CHILD THAT AGE MAY NOT KNOW SHE IS PREGNANT BY 10 WEEKS, BUT THAT ISSUE ASIDE, THEY DIDN'T REPEAL ANY OF THE DUMB IDEOLOGICAL LAWS THEY PASSED.

SHE HAS TO HAVE TWO VISITS, SHE HAS TO HAVE AN ULTRASOWN.

SHE IS GOING TO BE LIED TO THAT THE FETUS CAN FEEL PAIN.

THAT IS HOW POORLY DRAFTED AND POORLY THOUGHT OUT AND THEY DON'T CARE WHAT VOTERS THINK.

EVERYBODY OUT THERE VOTING SHOULD TAKE A PAGE OUT OF TODD HOUSTON'S BOOK.

HE SAID IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT WE DID, VOTE US OUT AND THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THIS NOVEMBER.

>> IN THE DEBATE TO TAKE OUT THE RAPE AND INCEST EXCEPTION, THOSE WHO VOTED TO TAKE OUT THE OPTIONS SAID ON THE FLOOR, SOME OF US MAY LOSE OUR SEATS FOR THIS VOTE.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS RIGHT?

DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE ELECTORAL CONSEQUENCES FOR REPUBLICANS OVER THIS BILL IN.

>> THEY HAD NO CANDIDATES TO RUN.

>> THAT IS NOT TRUE.

>> VERY INCOMPLETE.

THERE IS NOT COMPETITIVE RACES AROUND THE STATE THAT ARE WELL ORGANIZED AND WELL FUNDED.

WE WILL SEE.

KANSAS WAS A SURPRISE OUTCOME THAT IS WHAT ENCOURAGED DEMOCRATS TO BRING THE AMENDMENT TO TRY TO DERAIL THIS AND GO TO REFERENDUM.

I THINK KANSAS THOUGHT, THIS IS A NO BRAINER.

WE'RE RESTRICTING ABORTION AND THAT TURNED OUT TO NOT BE THE CASE.

SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE -- JUST LIKE BARACK OBAMA AND HEALTH CARE REFORM IS A CATALYST FOR SOUTHERN INDIANA TO CONSISTENTLY VOTE REPUBLICAN, THERE COULD BE A CATALYST THAT MOVES THESE VOTERS IN THE MIDDLE OR MOVE THE CONSERVATIVES AROUND.

I DON'T WANT TO SLEEP ON THAT.

WHAT IS INTERESTING IN THIS DEBATE IN INDIANA WAS A FIRST EXPERIMENT IN A RED STATE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

WITH ALL OF THE STATES THAT HAVE TRIGGER LAWS, THAT WAS A MINDLESS POLITICAL VOTE.

ROE WAS IN THE BACKGROUND.

WHAT CHANGED AND WHAT INDIANA PROVED AND SHOWED, THIS IS A HELL A LOT MORE NUANCED THAN JUST VOTING FOR A TRIGGER LAW.

IT IS A POLITICAL VOTE.

IT IS SCORED BY YOUR STATE'S RIGHT TO LIFE LOBBY.

THIS WAS THEORETICAL.

OR IT WAS THEORETICAL AND NOW IT IS NOT.

>> ADULL HAS BEEN USING THE DOG CATCHING THE CAR AND NOW THEY CAUGHT THE CAR AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

>> THEY HAVE TO THINK THROUGH THESE THINGS THAT THEY DID NOT THINK BEFORE.

THESE GUYS WERE ALL OVER THE BOARD.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TRIGGERS, THE OTHER HURDLES?

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ASPECT OF IT, TOO.

NOBODY, NOBODY TESTED OR TESTIFIED IN SUPPORT OF THIS LAW.

NO ONE.

NOT A SINGLE HUMAN BEING HONESTLY TESTIFIED IN SUPPORT OF S.B.1.

OVER SIX AND A HALF HOURS AND 61 PEOPLE IN THE SENATE AND OVER SEVEN HOURS AND MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, NO ONE.

ABORTION RIGHT ADVOCATES DIDN'T LIKE THE LAW AND ANTIABORTION ACTIVISTS DIDN'T LIKE IT.

THEY WANT THE INCEST AND RAPE EXCEPTIONS TAKEN OUT.

IS THIS OVER?

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS OVER.

IN FACT, IN TERMS OF THE POLITICAL FALLOUT, I THINK IT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY WILL THERE BE A CHANGE IN THE NUMBERS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE THIS COMING FALL.

WHAT WE CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT MORALLY AND WHO IS WRONG, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLITICS, OKAY.

THIS IS THE HIGH WATER MARK FOR HOSE WHO OPPOSED ROE V. WADE AND WANT TIGHTER RESTRICTIONS.

IT DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN THIS FOR THEM POLITICALLY.

FROM NOW ON, WHAT GETS ATTENTION, A BABY WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN BORN AND EVERYBODY IS HAPPY.

IS THAT GOING TO GET COVERAGE?

NO, THE PLANE DIDN'T CRASH.

IS THERE ANOTHER 10-YEAR-OLD, A 9-YEAR-OLD?

WHAT ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO SOUGHT A LEGALLE LEGAL ABORTION OR BOTCHED IT AND DYAD PAINFUL DEATH.

THE PERSON WITH A HORRIFYING ASSAULT, AND THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS, BUT MAYBE SOMEONE IS NOT IN THE WINDOW AND DOESN'T MEET ALL OF THE CRITERIA AND HAVE THE AFFIDAVIT NOTARIZED AND SIDED PROPERLY AND STILL A VICTIM OF INCEST OR RAPE.

I CAN SEE A MILLION STORIES REMINDING PEOPLE THAT THIS IS PERHAPS CRUEL AND DRACONIAN AND NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF WOMEN AND THERE IS NO FLIP SIDE TO IT.

WE CAN DEBATE ABOUT WHAT EROSION THERE WILL BE IN REPUBLICAN SUPPORT.

EVEN REPUBLICANS HAVE TO ADMIT, THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS FOR THEM.

THEY ONLY ERODE FROM HERE.

>> TO THE QUESTION I ASKED MIKE, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE CHAIR THE DAY THE BILL PASSED IN THE HOUSE, I THINK I WAS THE ONE WHO ASKED THE QUESTION, LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE MAPS LOOK LIKE AS WELL AS I DO.

IS THERE ANY REASON TO THINK YOU WILL HAVE WINS OFF OF THIS?

THE ANSWER CAME BACK, WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A MAJORITY, BUT THEY THINK THEY CAN BREAK THE SUPER MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.

ARE THEY RIGHT?

>> THEY HAVE TO FLIP FOUR OR FIVE RACES THAT MIGHT BE HIGH FOR ONE CYCLE.

MIKE IS RIGHT, A LOT OF THE RACES DON'T HAVE A COMPETITOR ON THE BALLOT.

>> OR A REALISTIC COMPETITOR.

>> A LOT OF THEM HAVE VACANCIES.

>> THAT, TOO.

>> SO, FOR THIS TIME PERIOD, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF A COUPLE OF SEATS FLIPPED.

PEOPLE ARE MOTIVATED ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW, AND THEY WERE IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE STATE HOUSE WITH THE MEGA PHONE JUST YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW, ON THIS ISSUE.

WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

>> I HAD MORE PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT, THIS NOT POLITICAL PEOPLE, JUST PEOPLE SAYING, WHY?

WHY WOULDN'T BE AS PROGRESSIVE AS MISSISSIPPI?

MISSISSIPPI.

>> THE 15-WEEK BAN?

>> SHORT ATTENTION SPANS WOULD DRIVE ATTENTION ELSEWHERE.

YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE A STORY UNTIL YOU HAVE A CONCERN AND THEN YOU HAVE A RELATIVE WHO IS SICK OR DIES.

>> OR FINDS THEMSELVES IN THAT SITUATION.

>> THAT IS WHY CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES HELD THEIR NOSE FOR DONALD TRUMP AND SAID WE NEED HIM IN FOR SUPREME COURT.

>> THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED.

>> LET'S STAY ON TOPIC.

THE MORNING AFTER GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB SIGNED THE NEAR ABORTION LAW.

>> PHARMACEUTICAL LAW ELI LILLY SAYS IT WILL BE HARDER TO RECRUIT THANE TO THE STATE.

LILLY ISSUED A STATEMENT AFTER ERIC OLD HOLCOMB SIGNED THE NEW LAW.

BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAW, IT WILL BE HARD TO PLAN FOR GROWTH OUTSIDE OF INDIANA.

LILLY IS HEADQUARTERED IN INDIANAPOLIS WHERE THEY EMPLOY OVER 10,000 PEOPLE.

LILLY WILL PAY FOR EMPLOYEES TO TRAVEL OUT OF STATE FOR ABORTIONS.

>> CUMMINS SAID THAT THE LAW WILL PLAY A FACTOR ALONG WITH COMMUNITIES THAT ALIGN WITH OUR VALUES.

WOULD THESE STATEMENTS MADE ANY IMPACTS IF THEY CAME BEFORE LAWMAKERS VOTED?

>> WE DON'T KNOW.

THEY WERE NOT BEING PUBLIC, BUT THINK OF THE DYNAMIC.

WE HAVE A FAR RIGHT, EXTREME POSITION THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE SUPPORTED AND THEY HAD TO COME OFF OF IT.

THEY WOUND JUST SUPPORTED WHATEVER WAS LEFT AT THE END OF THE DAY TO SAVE FACE.

ON THE LEFT, YOU HAVE ACLU AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND THEY LOOKED AT THOSE GROUPS AND KICKED THEM OUT OF THE ROOM.

THEY SAID WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING, WE'RE NOT DOING.

WHAT THEY CRAFTED, ONE, WHAT THE CAUCUSES COULD SUPPORT AND WHAT THEY COULD GET A MAJORITY FOR.

THIS DOESN'T PASS BY AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY.

>> IN THE HOUSE, IT WAS MORE COMFORTABLE, BUT IN THE SENATE WAS THREE VOTES.

>> WATERED DOWN IN THE HOUSE.

YOU HAD 26 IN THE FIRST HALF IN THE SENATE.

YOU WERE NOT THROWING HUGE MAJORITIES AGAINST THIS.

SO, YOU BRING SOME INTEREST GROUPS, MAYBE THAT CHANGES IT.

THE EXTREME LOBBIES ENFORCES THAT WERE NORMALLY PART OF THAT CONVERSATION WERE GONE.

WHAT THEY WERE TRYING WAS UNACCEPTABLE, SO MAYBE ANOTHER SET OF VOICES IN THE MIDDLE WOULD HAVE MATTERED.

>> WE HEARD ABOUT LILLY, AT LEAST, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CUMMINS, BUT SENT INFORMATION TO LAWMAKERS DURING THE PROCESS.

IS THAT AS EFFECTIVE AS PEOPLE SAYING SOMETHING PUBLICLY THAT HOOSIERS CAN HEAR?

>> THEY DON'T CARE.

THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE VOTERS WANT.

THEY DON'T WANT THE INDUSTRY LEADERS WANT.

THEY DON'T CARE IF IT COSTS US EXPANSION OR JOBS FOR LILLY.

THEY DON'T CARE.

THEY WANT TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION DOWN EVERYONE'S THROAT AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PASS IT UP.

AS CLEAR AS THE NOSE ON YOUR FACE, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF INDIANA.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE VOTERS OF INDIANA.

I HOPE THEY DON'T CARE IF THEY LOSE THEIR SEAT, BECAUSE I HOPE THEY DO.

>> SOME OF THEM SAID IT.

>> I HOPE THEY DO.

>> THE RIGHT TO LIFE WILL TRY TO PUSH FOR FEWER EXCEPTIONS, PROBABLY STARTING IN MIAMIAN AS THAT DEBATE PLAYS OUT GOING FORWARD, WILL THE UNTIMELY STATEMENTS FROM LILLY AND CUMMINS MAKE AN IMPACT THEN?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

WE STILL, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE IN JANUARY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LOTS OF DISCUSSION ON BIRTH CONTROL.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LOTS OF ZAGS ON MEDICATION-INDUCING ABORTIONS AND CROSSING STATE LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DO THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY, YES, LET'S SAY LILLIAN AND CUMMINS TOLD THEM BEHIND THE SCENES, OKAY, BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN SAYING IT PUBLICLY.

IF LILLY AND CUMMINS DOES IT THEN SALES FORCE DOES IT AND THEN IT BECOMES A SNOWBALL EFFECT.

>> WE SAW THAT.

>> TOTALLY.

STAYING OUT OF IT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGY.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMEONE HONEST TO GOD EXPLAIN IT TO ME ON WHY THEY DID IT THAT WAY.

>> WELL, SPEAKING OF THAT, THERE'S BEEN A THEORY THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE PUSHED THAT ELI LILLY AND CUMMINS WHO HAVE GIVEN MONEY TO THE LAWMAKERS WHO VOTED FOR THE ABORTION BAN, AT LEAST ELI LILLY HAS, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BILL BEING PASSED.

THEIR CRITICISM COMES FROM A PLACE THEY WERE ALREADY WORRIED ABOUT INDIANA'S ABILITY TO ATTRACT AND DEVELOP A WORKFORCE THEY NEED.

SO, THIS IS A CONVENIENT EXCUSE FOR THEM TO SAY THIS BAN IS TERRIBLE AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK ELSEWHERE, WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT REGARDLESS.

DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY TRUTH TO THAT?

>> WHAT A CYNICAL APPROACH.

>> HOW DARE I?

>> THAT IS RIGHT.

>> THAT IS VERY CYNICAL.

I ASSUME WHAT HAPPENED HERE, AND YES, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IS ALWAYS A CONCERN TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST IN A STATE THAT HASN'T SCIMENTLY PRODUCED THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST.

>> YOU WANT TO RETRABLGHT RETRACT THAT STATEMENT.

THEY HAVEN'T PRODUCED OR RETAINED?

RETAINED, I THINK IS THE WAY WE WOULD PUT IT.

>> WE HAVE A PRETTY LOW HIGHER EDUCATION RATE.

>> RIGHT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE ONES THAT HAVE COMPLETED HIGHER EDUCATION.

>> NO, I'M NOT SAYING.

I WILL STAND BY MY STATEMENT.

>> PRODUCED IT IN NUMBERS.

>> THANK YOU.

I WILL STICK WITH THAT COUNSELOR.

YEAH, THAT IS MAYBE A CONSIDERATION, BUT I DON'T -- THAT'S AWFUL.

THAT IS NOT JUST THREE LEVELS CHESS, THAT IS BLIND FOLDED BEHIND YOUR BACK KIND OF CHESS OR MAYBE CHINESE CHECKERS IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

WHAT I PRESUME THAT IS HAPPENING HERE, THERE WAS A NOTION ON SUCH A VOLATILE ISSUE LIKE THIS, THERE IS A RELUCTANCE TO SEEING BACKING PEOPLE INTO A CORNER.

WE ALREADY HAVE LAWMAKERS WHO ARE SENSITIVE TO THE NOTION THAT THEY ARE FIGHTING.

THEY ARE OPPRESSED BY GOVERNMENT, THE DEEP STATE, THE ELITE CORPORATE TITANS.

EVERYBODY IS EVIL.

>> BIGGER THAN INDIANA.

>> THE POINT IS, MAYBE IF YOU'RE LILLY, MAYBE, YOU'RE SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO FORCE THEM INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE APPEARING TO CRUMBLE TO THE MAN, THE BIG POWERFUL MAN AND MAYBE WE THE ACCOMPLISH IT BEHIND THE BEHIND THE SCENES.

>> I, TOO, WOULD LOVE TO KNOW.

SOMEONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN THE FORTUNES OF THE STATE, I HOPE IT IS MY INTERPRETATION AND NOT A SINISTER NOTION THAT THIS IS HOW THEY CAN GET OUT OF DODGE.

>> THEY TRIED AND FAILED IN OTHER AREAS.

THEY TRIED TO ENGAGE IN THESE SOCIAL -- >> THE INDIANA CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE HAS A LOT OF SUCCESS AT THE STATE HOUSE.

OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AS THEY GOT THE TAX AND THE STUFF THEY HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR, THEY ARE PUSHING ON MORE "SOCIAL ISSUES" LIKE SMOKING AND THINGS.

>> THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYWHERE.

>> THEY HAD ZERO SUCCESS.

THAT WAS A BROADER COALITION.

>> LET ME ASK THIS, IS PERHAPS SOME OF THIS A RESULT THEY DIDN'T THINK THE GOVERNOR WAS GOING TO SIGN THE BILL AS QUICKLY AS THEY DID?

DO THEY THINK THEY HAD TIME TO GET A STATEMENT OUT?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE WAS ANY REASON TO THINK HE WOULD VETO THE BILL.

HE GAVE NO INDICATIONS, BUT HE SIGNED EVERY OTHER ABORTION BILL.

>> AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THIS IS NOT THE END OF IT.

>> WE WILL NEVER SEE MORE STRING STRING STRINGENT RESTRICTIONS.

>> I MADE A BET WITH ANN AND I LOST.

I WON'T MAKE ANOTHER BET, I EXPECT THEY WILL TIGHTEN.

TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL QUESTION.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: DOES ELI LILLY'S CRITICISM OF INDIANA'S ABORTION BAN HAVE ANY PRACTICAL EFFECT?

A.

YES B.

NO LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: WILL HOOSIERS BE HAPPY WITH THE $200 INFLATION RELIEF CHECKS?

25% SAY YES, 75% SAY NO.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

>> AFTER MONTHS OF NEGOTIATIONS, SENATE DEMOCRATS THIS WEEK PASSED A MAJOR CLIMATE, HEALTH CARE AND TAX BILL - A CENTERPIECE OF PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGENDA.

VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS BROKE THE 50-50 TIE.

>> THE SPENDING BILL ATTEMPTS TO TACKLE CLIMATE CHANGE, THE HIGH COST OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND LOWER THE DEFICIT BY ROUGHLY $300 BILLION.

DEMOCRATS HAVE ARGUED THE MEASURE WILL TACKLE VOTERS' MAIN ECONOMIC CONCERN, NAMING IT THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.

REPUBLICANS ARGUE THE NEW SPENDING WILL AGGRAVATE INFLATION.

THE NONPARTISAN CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE SAYS, THOUGH, THE BILL HAS A "NEGLIGIBLE" EFFECT ON INFLATION IN 2022 AND INTO 2023.

OVERALL, THE BILL IS A VERY SCALED-DOWN SOLUTION TO WHAT MANY DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING PRESIDENT BIDEN, HAD ASKED FOR ORIGINALLY.

BOTH OF INDIANA'S US SENATORS VOTED AGAINST IT, WITH TODD YOUNG CALLING IT "RECKLESS" AND THE "ABSOLUTE WRONG APPROACH TO HELPING HOOSIER FAMILIES."

BUT BOTH YOUNG AND MIKE BRAUN ALSO VOTED TO TAKE OUT OF THE BILL A 35-DOLLAR MONTHLY CAP ON INSULIN PRICES.

NIKI KELLY, WILL THAT INSULIN CAP VOTE HURT YOUNG OR BRAUN?

>> I MEAN, PROBABLY NOT IMMEDIATELY.

YOUNG HAS A HOLD ON HIS RACE THIS YEAR.

IT IS AN ISSUE THAT WILL RESONATE WITH PEOPLE.

THERE IS NOT SUPER COMPLICATED ISSUES LIKE THAT.

PEOPLE SEE THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY PAYING INSANELY AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR AN ESTABLISHED DRUG.

THIS IS ALL PURE, GREEDY PROFIT.

SO, IT IS EASY FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND, SO HE MIGHT LOSE A FEW VOTES.

>> ELI LILLY SAID THEY SUPPORT IT.

>> WHEN IT DIDN'T GET PASSED.

>> IT IS EASY TO SAY THAT WHEN IT DID NOT GET PASSED.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT PASSED FOR MEDICARE.

>> HE WANTED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HELP PEOPLE WHO NEEDED IT TO GET FREE ACCESS TO INSULIN ON A REGULAR BASIS.

TO NIKI'S POINT, ARE PEOPLE GOING TO HEAR THAT ARGUMENT?

>> NO, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IS A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT I THINK TODD YOUNG FALLS INTO THIS GROUP.

IT IS NOT GOVERNMENT'S PLACE TO REGULATE PRICING THAT IS WHY WE HAVE AN OPEN MARKET.

IF THE DEMAND GOES DOWN AND THE PRICE WILL GO DOWN.

>> HOW DO YOU HAVE DEMAND GO DOWN FOR A MEDICATION THAT KEEPS YOU ALIVE?

>> YOU DIE.

>> WELL, THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM.

>> FOR THOSE WHO TRY TO DEBATE THESE THINGS AT AN IDEOLOGICAL LEVEL, SOV PHILOSOPHICAL LEVEL THAT IS ALL WELL AND GOD.

THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF YOU CAN MAKE COMMERCIALS.

SO, WHEN YOU SAY HERE IS SOME ELDERLY PERSON WHO CAN'T AFFORD INSULIN ANYMORE, EVEN THOUGH WHO WOULD, THEY ARE RHETT THEORETICALLY, I THINK.

>> I WANT TO -- I AWAY TO WANT TO ASK, ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO HURT TODD YOUNG AND MIKE BRAUN AT THE POLLS?

I AGREE WITH NIKI.

I THINK TODD YOUNG HAS A PRETTY GOOD HOLD ON HIS ELECTION.

MIKE BRAUN, IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR, YOU NEVER KNOW.

THAT IS A LONG WAY AWAY, BUT THESE THINGS KEEP COMING UP, PARTICULARLY WITH MIKE BRAUN.

IF YOU'RE MIKE BRAUN, DO YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS STUFF?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THEY DID NOT VOTE AGAINST THE INSULIN REDUCTION ACT OF 2022.

THEY VOTED AGAINST AN $800 BILLION.

>> IT WAS NOT ABOUT THEIR VOTE ON THE BILL.

>> TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE BILL.

>> NOW, THEY GET TO GO, YOU KNOW, RUN ADS ON IT.

>> WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE BROADER BILL IN FUTURE WEEKS.

>> THAT WAS THE VOTE.

IT WAS AGAINST AN $800 BILLION TAX INCREASE.

>> NO, NO.

IT REDUCED THE DEFICIT.

>> IT WAS ALREADY IN THE BILL AND THEY VOTED TO TAKE IT OUT.

>> YEAH, THEY TOOK IT OUT.

IT WAS A CLEAR YES/NO.

>> I WANT TO MAKE A POINT, THE $35 CAP IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THOSE ON INSULIN, BUT THE $2,000 CAP ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS FOR THE ELDERLY AND THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE AND THAT AFFECTS A WIDER SPECTRUM OF VOTERS.

>> AND MOTIVATED VOTERS.

>> YEAH.

>> FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SAID THIS WEEK THAT FBI AGENTS HAD SEARCHED HIS MAR-A-LAGO CLUB AND RESIDENCE IN PALM BEACH, FLORIDA, AND OPENED HIS SAFE.

>> ERIC TRUMP, THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S SON, SAID MONDAY NIGHT THAT HE WAS TOLD THE SEARCH WAS RELATED TO THE POSSIBLE MISHANDLING OF GOVERNMENT SECRETS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS KNOWN TO BE INVESTIGATING AFTER THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES RETRIEVED WHITE HOUSE RECORDS FROM MAR-A-LAGO.

ATTORNEY GENERAL MERRICK GARLAND SAID THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS ASKED A FEDERAL COURT IN FLORIDA TO UNSEAL THE SEARCH WARRANT, AS WELL AS A PROPERTY RECEIPT FOR WHAT WAS TAKEN.

GARLAND DID NOT PROVIDE ANY FURTHER DETAILS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE SEARCH OR OTHER DOJ MATTERS BUT HE SAID MORE INFORMATION WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE.

>> JON SCHWANTES, MIKE SAID ON THE SHOW RECENTLY THAT TRUMP REPRESENTS A WILD CARD IN THE 2022 ELECTIONS, REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT HE'LL ANNOUNCE ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL RUN BEFORE OR AFTER BALLOTS ARE CAST THIS FALL.

SO, HOW DOES THIS LATEST DEVELOPMENT WEIGH ON 2022?

>> NO, LOGICAL WAY.

IN A NORMAL, NON-BIZARRE-O WORLD, I WOULD SAY THIS IS DAMAGING TO HIM.

I'M A BELIEVER IN THE WAY THE PROCESS.

I MEAN, CAN YOU IMAGINE THE JUDGE OR MAGISTRATE IN THIS CASE, HOW CAREFULLY, NEVER MIND MERRICK GARLAND.

>> BUT MERRICK GARLAND ADMITTED THIS.

>> THEY ASKED FOR IT MONTHS AGO.

>> THE WHOLE NOTION IS LUDICROUS THAT THIS IS VIGILANTE JUSTICE.

LET'S TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE.

WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH BADGES TO COLLECT EVIDENCE THAT WOULD BE A HIT.

NOW, YOU HAVE PEOPLE RALLYING AROUND HIM.

>> IT IS ALSO THE CONVERSATION THIS WEEK FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO DEFEND DONALD TRUMP THERE IS CLEARLY NO EVIDENCE, HOW DARE THEY RAID THIS IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED TO MORE INFORMATION COMING OUT, I'M SURE THERE IS NOT DOCUMENTS THERE.

S THERE TO, IT IS FINE IF THERE IS NUCLEAR DOCUMENTS THERE.

I'M SURE THEY WERE NOT IMPORTANT.

>> WE COULD GIVE THEM.

>> THAT IS SOME IRRESPONSIBLE TO SAY OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM, WHICH THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK IS SOMEHOW FLAWED.

>> LET ME SAY THIS.

>> VERY LITTLE TIME LEFT.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS, HOW DOES THIS PLAY IN 2022, DOES THIS MOTIVATE DON TRUMP TO ANNOUNCE HIS RUN SOONER?

>> I BET THE REST OF HIS PARTY IS HOPING IT DOESN'T.

>> AND WE'RE ON THAT TRACK.

>> THAT IS WHAT THIS HAS DONE.

WE WERE ON A TRACK WHERE TRUMP WAS THAWING AND ALL THE DATA WAS SHOWING THAT.

AS THE JANUARY 6 HEARINGS WENT ON, HE WAS THAWING WITH THE BASE AND THIS BLOCKED HIM BACK IN.

>> WITHIN MINUTES OF HIM TWEETING THAT, THERE WAS ALL OF THESE SITTING REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS.

>> IT IS TOO MUCH.

>> THAT IS "INDIAN WEEK IN REVIEW" FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND NIKI KELLY OF THE INDIANA CAPITOL CHRONICLE IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR STARTING MONDAY YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET IT ON DEMAND FROM XFINITY AND ON THE WFYI APP.

I'M BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.

>> THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS.

"INDIAN WEEK IN REVIEW" IS A WFYI PRODUCTION IN ASSOCIATION WITH INDIANA'S PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS.