(rock music) - Welcome to A Shot of Ag.

My name is Rob Sharkey.

I'm a farmer from just outside of Bradford, Illinois.

I started a podcast which led into an XM radio show, which led into a national television show, which led me to be right here today.

But today, today is not about me.

Today is about Donna Klostermann.

How you doing, Donna?

- Good.

How are you, Rob?

- Good.

It's Klostermann.

- Yes, strong O.

- Here's the thing.

You and I have known each other for- - Like five or six years now, I think.

- I was gonna say way too long.

Yeah.

And when I first met you.

I got in my head that your name was Donna Klostermann.

- It's spelled that way.

- Yeah.

- Yeah.

- So still to this day, I'll find myself accidentally saying that, but that's not your name.

- No.

- You don't seem to get real upset about it.

- No, I'm used to it.

- Yeah, Klostermann.

- Yeah, it's German for the one who farms the monastery.

So.

- What?

- Yeah.

- Are you, actually, is that true?

- It's true.

- Who's monastery?

- I don't know.

Somebody's.

- Well, you should, I mean, you married into that family.

You should probably know it.

- Right?

- It's an Iowa family.

You married it in Iowa guy.

- Northeast Iowa.

- Whew!

- Dubuque County - Okay, I mean, I guess at some point you have to, you have to not dilute the royalty bloodline.

- Right.

Well, I mean, I think I'm related to half of the county I'm from, so.

- That is very true.

You're up in in Bureau County.

- Yep.

- Manlius.

- Manlius, yep.

- That's where you grew up.

- Yes.

- So for people in Peoria, where is that?

- 50 miles straight North of Peoria on Route 40, AKA Knoxville Avenue.

- [Rob] Knoxville turns into 40.

- Yep.

- [Rob] Turns into your hometown.

- Yeah, I live two miles off of Route 40.

- Yeah.

You're out in the country.

- Yes.

- That's where you grew up.

You're a farm girl.

- Yep, I made it two and a half miles from my parents.

So I didn't make it very far.

- Where you live now- - Yeah.

- Is two and a half miles from where you grew up.

- Yeah, yeah.

- That's further than where I grew up.

- Yeah.

(both laughing) You really didn't make it that far.

- So tell me about a little Donna.

I mean, you were just, were you the stereotypical farm girl?

- I think so.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- I was in 4H.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- And I showed cattle.

- [Rob] Okay.

- And then I was in FFA, and I really loved that.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- I was not good at sports, but man, I tried.

- [Rob] Did you try 'em?

- Yeah.

- Like what?

- I played basketball in junior high and then my freshman year of high school.

- Didn't go.

- No, not very coordinated, not very fast.

- Did you make the team?

- Yeah, I made the freshman team.

- Because they don't kick anybody off.

- I started once.

- Did you really?

- Yeah.

And then I'm in eighth grade or seventh grade, sometime in junior high, I shot a basket for the opposing team.

So that should give you a good idea as far as like what my athletic career was like.

- That's really embarrassing.

- Yeah, I know.

- Okay.

Do people still bring that up today?

- No one's brought it up to me in a long time.

- Oh, well, that's gonna change now.

- Yeah.

(Rob laughs) - Went off to college.

- Yes.

I went to Iowa State and graduated from there.

- Whoa, why?

- Why did I go to Iowa State?

- You're from Manlius, Illinois.

Why go to Iowa State?

- Well, my dad went there.

- Okay, what'd ya study?

- Ag business.

- Okay.

What did you wanna do?

- So when I went, I thought I wanted to be an ag lender.

- [Rob] Oh, a banker.

- A banker.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- And then my freshmen like first semester, I kind of got more interested in commodity markets.

So that's when I decided that's what I wanted to do with eventually farming.

- Okay, that's what your family, I mean, your family farms.

- Yeah.

- Among other things, but the commodity market is something that they, I don't know, they embrace.

They're good at.

- So yeah, my family, my mom's brother, so my uncle owned a- - [Rob] Thank you.

- Your welcome.

- See, a mom's brother would be her uncle.

(Rob laughs) - Yes.

- Yes, anyway, continue.

- He owned a, Michlig Agricenter, a large group of ag retail locations.

And they sold off the fuel to another relative, and the agronomy to CPS, now Nutrien in 2011.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- But then they kept the grain elevator.

- [Rob] Yes.

- So when I say that everyone in my family has either bought or sold corn, like it's not a stretch.

Like we've all done it.

- Sorry, this is a foreign concept to a lot of people.

- Right, because my mom worked there, and then my dad worked there until he farmed enough that he literally just couldn't come into work anymore.

- [Rob] Oh, I didn't know that.

- Yeah.

- So explain what a grain elevator is.

- So a grain elevator, what it does is, not all farmers have the capacity to store everything they harvest.

So they would bring- - [Rob] That'd be me.

- Yep.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- I wasn't gonna point any fingers.

It's not just Rob.

But what they do is they, farmers bring that in, and they dry the corn and bean.

Well, they don't dry beans.

They dry the corn, and they store the corn or beans.

And then also we have a variety of other markets here in Northern Illinois, Central Illinois, between the Illinois River, ethanol plants.

We also have access to rail.

So we also would buy grain from Rob out of his bins and sell that to, let's say, ADM here in Peoria, right down the street, or Mark Wesson Hennepin or somebody like that.

- Okay, I mean, that's- - That's in a nutshell, right?

So that is the- - My definition would be a little different.

- Yeah.

- Yeah.

So when you're driving down the road, and you see like these giant grain bins, right, that's generally an elevator.

- Yes.

- Not always.

- Sometimes the farmer owns it.

- Yes.

- 'Cause there are farmers that have commercial looking bins, but that's in a nutshell what an elevator does.

That's like a 10,000 foot view.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- I'd also like to say that we help the farmer always find the best price.

- [Rob] You try.

- Yeah.

- You try.

- Yes.

- Because what happens is a farmer like myself, I raise corn, and then I don't know what.

I'm horrible at marketing, right?

And that can be the difference between a profitable year and non.

- Right.

- It doesn't always depend on like how much corn you grow.

It's how you market it.

I don't know how to market.

That's where you came in.

So you were, after you graduated, did you start as a grain originator?

- So yeah, when I was in college, I did an internship at Ag Resource in Chicago.

So just downtown, like right across from the Board of Trade.

And there- - Oh, you were like the, I don't know.

It's almost like a Hallmark movie, right?

- Yes.

- Small town girl makes it to the big city.

- To the big city.

- But still loves her small town life.

- Yes, wants to go home.

- Did you drive an old truck and have a dog.

- No.

- Okay.

- I didn't have a car in Chicago.

It was not economical.

I took the train home every weekend.

- Okay.

(Both laughing) So you worked out of Chicago.

- Yep, and then the next summer I worked in Omaha for Cargill, and then I made it- - Wow.

- All the way to Hennepin, Illinois.

- Yeah, which is big in the grain world.

- Right.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- And worked for CGB.

And so that was between my junior and senior year.

And then I had an offer, and I went to go work for them after college.

- That's a big deal.

Are you smart?

- I don't think so.

- Well, you don't get just hired to these places for no good reason.

- I guess.

I didn't, I understood the assignment, for the TikTokers out there, I guess.

- Nobody knows what you're talking about.

Yeah, do you like those Island Boys?

- The Island Boys?

♪ Just an island boy ♪ ♪ Just trying to make it ♪ - I don't know what that is.

♪ Just talking about an island boy ♪ ♪ Key West boy ♪ - Nope.

- All right, nevermind.

- I guess I'm not- - You can Google 'em.

- I'm not as hip as I thought I was.

- You can Google it if you want to.

Tell me how you got down to, what was it, Kentucky?

- So yeah, I started.

So CGB, like, they just said, we don't know where we're gonna put you.

They ended up putting me in Mount Vernon, Indiana, which nobody really probably knows where Mount Vernon, Indiana is, but it's like 15 miles East of Evansville.

- [Rob] Okay.

- And Mount Vernon is like huge port town.

So I started there, and they had a soybean processing plant.

And I was there for three months or so.

And across the river in Uniontown, Kentucky, the originator left there, and I was covering so many days a week, we'd go down there and- - Nobody knows what that is, even me, a grain originator.

- So the person that buys the grain.

- So a grain buyer.

- Grain buyer.

- Okay.

- Yep.

- Just a fancier.

It's like when they call like a person that gets you coffee, a what?

- Barista.

- Barista.

- Barista's have skill.

- Focus.

That's why you're called a grain originator though.

- Yes, yes.

- Okay.

Now when you lived down there, that's when you had the front porch that was leaning to one side, and the four dogs that lived underneath of it in your trailer.

- False.

So they were actually, I'd hired a guy to go to Kentucky so I would have to stop.

I wouldn't have covered the office.

- [Rob] Okay.

- And then he couldn't come.

Like, it was like unfortunate personal circumstances.

Like his dad had cancer.

It was like bad deal.

- [Rob] Okay.

- So they said, hey, you seem to really like it down here and fit in.

Do you wanna work here?

And I said, great.

So it was like an hour drive from where I was living in Evansville.

So I'm like, I feel like you should, if you're gonna work somewhere, you should probably live there.

Especially when you're dealing with, it's like a sales job.

- [Rob] Yeah.

That's when you got the four dogs.

- So I rented a trailer from a farmer down by the river, just like half a mile off of the Ohio River.

- When you say trailer, do you really mean van?

- No, it really was a trailer.

- It was a trailer.

- It was a trailer.

- A single?

- Single-wide.

- Okay.

- It was the widest, like the longest and widest single-wide they made.

- Oh, prestige.

- A 1992 Fleetwood.

- Yeah.

- I remember that from having to ensure it.

- Did you ever step out on the front porch in your robe to yell at wildlife?

- Yes.

- Did you?

- Yeah, I had coyotes come up in the yard.

- Okay.

This, yes.

(Rob laughing) - But you act like it would be, it's much different than what would go on in Manlius.

It was not.

- It is, because it's Kentucky.

- No way.

- Yeah, no, there's a huge, huge difference.

All right.

Okay, all right.

- But I loved it down there.

I loved it.

- So did the wildlife.

So now eventually though you move back up to home.

- Yes.

So my uncle that owns the grain elevators, there was a, the guy that had my job before had left.

And so he said, hey, do you wanna come home and work for me?

- So now this is a decision 'cause you're working with family.

- Right.

And so I always wanted to come home, and I wanted to farm.

And if I worked in the elevator, eventually that would be cool too, right?

I was just kind of waiting for the opportunity to present itself to make that decision.

And so I said, absolutely, I'd love to come home, be with my family.

I was six hours away.

And then I met Rob, and then I regretted it immediately.

- Okay, that's me, but it's- - No, and then, so I started- - Because now everybody's like, oh, she met her husband.

- No, I already had my husband.

- Where'd you meet him?

- Iowa State.

- When did you guys, were you married when you lived in a trailer?

- Yeah.

- So you both lived in a trailer together?

- Yeah.

- And that's true love.

- That's where we lived when we first got married.

- Oh, okay.

All right.

- With our Kentucky rescue hound.

- All right, you can't just throw stuff like that in.

But literally he saw you walking out on the front porch in your robe yelling at coyotes, and he didn't leave.

So that's true love.

- Right, and he also worked with my family and still is here, so.

- Yeah.

Okay, that's nice.

That's romantic.

- Yeah.

- In a very Kentucky sort of way.

- So yeah, my uncle- - Yeah, so you went up, you worked at the Bradford Elevator.

- At the Bradford Elevator.

- And you're a grain originator, barista, and then you quit.

- Barista.

- Yes.

- Yeah.

Well, you got pregnant too.

- Well, but after.

- [Rob] Was it after?

I don't remember my timeline.

- After I, that was like, I quit after.

- [Rob] You quit after you got pregnant.

- After I had the baby.

- I don't remember all this stuff.

- So I got pregnant.

So I started in January.

I was pregnant like in, I don't know, July, and had the baby the next April.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- Of 2017.

- Whoa, whoa.

Whoa.

Let's not, okay.

This was not a small deal when you had Carolyn, because that was very scary.

- Yes.

- All right, tell me about that.

- So I was doctoring here in Peoria at OSF 'cause when you're in Bradford, it just makes sense to just come to Peoria.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- Right.

Also you could fulfill any pregnancy craving you would ever have.

- [Rob] That's a good point.

- Right?

- Yeah.

- Like I really wanted Panda Express.

There's no Panda Express.

- In Manlius, no.

- In Manlius.

- There's no Krispy Kreme.

- There's no Krispy Kreme.

- Okay.

- Or Popeyes.

- Focus.

- Okay.

(Rob laughs) So I was overdue, which is pretty normal, I understand, for first time moms.

- [Rob] Gotcha.

- And I was supposed to be induced on April 4th.

And they called me and said, hey, like, we're really full on natural labors.

We're probably gonna put your induction off a couple hours.

Said, oh, no big deal.

I'm having some contractions, but like when you're nine months pregnant, you have contractions on and off all the time.

- [Rob] Okay.

- Nothing alarming.

This is like, I don't know, 6:30, 5:30, somewhere around there.

And we had everything in house cleaned up, 'cause we were like packed, ready to go and leave for a few days, right?

You're ready to go have a baby.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- So we went over to my mom and dad's and had some supper, and my contractions kicked in, and they started at seven minutes apart.

- That's fast, right?

- Right.

- Okay.

- Like that's where they started.

And then they got to like six minutes apart within, I don't know, a half hour.

- And you're an hour out.

- And I'm an hour from Peoria.

- Yeah.

- So I'm like, I think we're just gonna go.

- Yeah.

- Yeah.

I'm like, it's gonna take a while.

And I got to, let's see, what, 15 minutes from home, and my contractions were two minutes apart, and I know 'cause I was riding the same route I take every single- - [Rob] Yeah.

- Like every day.

And it was like, it's eight minutes from my competition's door to my door, And I had four contractions.

- Your competition?

Was someone else having a baby.

- No, FS Grain up the road.

- Oh, okay.

All right.

- Yeah.

No, I don't, I was not in a baby competition.

(both laughing) - Didn't know if there was a race.

- No.

So anyway, we get to the hospital, and I would say they're probably 30 seconds apart at this point.

And you go in through the emergency room.

- [Rob] That's not good, right?

- No, I don't know.

My dad called me the first calf heifer, which is, for those of you watching at home, a first calf heifer is a cow, or a female that's never had a baby that's having her first baby.

- [Rob] And that's what your dad called you.

- He called me the first calf heifer.

- Okay.

All right, this is Manlius.

- 'Cause a cow is like a female who's had a baby.

A heifer is a female who's not.

- We'll get into that.

Okay, so you get to the hospital.

- Anyway, so I get to the hospital, and so they're doing all the normal things, right?

Weigh you, get you admitted, all that, get you hooked up to a monitor.

And when they hooked me up to the monitor, the baby's heart rate is about half of what it should have been.

And they're like, oh, don't worry.

We're going to try to reposition you and see if it's just kind of how you're laying or how she's laying.

And that didn't help.

And- - Were you freaking out?

- I mean, I was kind of like a wild animal.

I felt like a caged animal.

- Well it's gotta be scary.

- Yeah, 'cause you don't really know what's going on 'cause I never had a baby before.

And obviously like, I know things are not going well.

And so they ended up trying to stick a heart rate monitor up me, and they broke my water in the process, and there was meconium present.

- [Rob] I don't know what that is.

- Which meconium is like when babies, that's like their first poop.

- Oh.

- It's like black and tarry.

- And that's not supposed to be there.

- That's not supposed to be there.

So that is a telltale sign of stress.

So now we have a low heart rate, and we have meconium present in the water.

So they said, we are prepping you for a C-section.

- [Rob] Okay.

- Okay.

So I got to Peoria like a little bit before nine, I think, and she was born at 10:08.

- [Rob] Through the C-section.

- Through the C-section.

- And how does she come out?

- So she comes out.

She's got an Apgar score of three.

- I don't, okay.

- So Apgar is like the, 10 being like the healthiest, happiest bouncing baby that comes out.

One being basically a dead baby.

- A three is not good.

- Right.

- Yeah.

- So they said we have to take her downstairs for a blood infusion.

So I knew that she was a girl, and that's all I knew, 'cause I didn't, we didn't know that gender.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- They were like, we're gonna take her down to NICU.

She's not getting blood back.

She was not getting blood back through the cord.

They're like, also, she lost a fair amount of oxygen.

We're gonna take her and put her on cooling therapy.

- [Rob] Oh.

- And then she- - [Rob] I can't imagine what's going through your head.

- And her lungs are very damaged.

So she'll probably have to have help breathing.

So Cameron, my husband, yeah, he's obviously here during all this.

He goes downstairs with Caroline, the baby.

And then my parents, my mom didn't like my labor.

So she just followed me down to the hospital.

So she stayed with me and my dad in the recovery room, and they did go down to see Caroline briefly.

And the doctor, the neonatologist on call that night said, hey, like she's lost a lot of oxygen.

I don't think that she's gonna make it.

And if she does, she's gonna be severely developmentally delayed.

But there's a good chance that now, because she's lost so much oxygen, her organs may shut down.

- What?

I can't imagine.

I can't imagine because it seems to me like you would have, first, is she gonna live?

And then if she lives- - What's that gonna look?

What's that gonna look like?

What's her quality of life gonna look like?

- Like is there gonna be brain damage?

- Yeah.

- Is there gonna be permanent lung damage.

- Right.

- Oh.

- So.

- And then, at the same time, you just had a C-section.

- Right, like I'm- - You're supposed to be focusing on yourself too.

- Right, I'm like, I'm dopey anyway, right, from all the meds.

And so they took me up to my room.

They took me down to see her.

And of course, like, you can't like sit up because of the spinal block.

And then they took me back up to my room.

And so my aunt and uncle, my uncle that I work for, 'cause we're a very tight knit family.

- [Rob] Very, yeah.

- Right, so like not everybody would be like, oh my aunt, my uncle came down and sat with me in my hospital room.

And they came down and sat with me.

And so they just sat with me all night because Cameron and my parents were down with the baby.

And I'm just trying to figure, like wrap my head around what had happened.

- [Rob] Yeah, I can't imagine.

- Yeah.

And then she was stable that first day.

They took me downstairs in the morning to baptize her 'cause they didn't know.

And then she was- - [Rob] I mean, okay, that had to be a little- - Like she had her, they had her somewhat stable through the night and part of that day.

- In your mind are you like, we're baptizing her this soon in case she doesn't make it?

- Yeah.

Yeah.

And so they did that.

And then when she was maybe like 28-hours old, like in the middle of the night they woke me up, and they took me downstairs.

And I thought they were waking me up and taking me downstairs because she had her eyes opened.

Because I was, I didn't wanna take pain meds.

And then I got to a point where like I had to take pain meds because I was- - [Rob] You just had a C-section.

- Right, I was up like walking around.

And like finally, like it was like nine o'clock that night the next night, and I'm like, I can't like do anything.

Like I'm in so much pain.

So they're like, we'll give you a shot of morphine.

And so like, I'm obviously like feeling the effects of that, and 'cause I just didn't wanna be dopey.

That's why I kind of like, then I was up walking around more than I should have.

Anyway, so they take me downstairs.

They're like, we have to put your baby on ECMO.

And I don't know what ECMO was.

- [Rob] Yeah, nobody does.

- Right, and ECMO was essentially a heart and lung bypass.

So it breaths- - This is not a medicine.

This is a machine.

- No, it breathes and pumps your child's blood for you.

If you have to have a heart transplant, you go on ECMO.

Does that make sense?

That is what's doing the heavy lifting.

They said her lungs need to rest.

She's not responding to a ventilator or to oxygen to a ventilator anymore.

- Yeah.

At what point do you find out what ECMO?

Are you Googling it?

- No, because I don't even have my phone.

I don't have anything.

I was wheeled downstairs in a hospital gown.

I don't know what's going on.

I was woke up in the middle of the night.

Cameron was downstairs.

- So was Cameron with Caroline?

- He's with Caroline, and that was my request.

I was like, don't worry about me.

I'll recover from this.

I'll be fine.

- [Rob] That's kind of the way you are.

- Yeah, I'm like, don't worry about me.

Just worry about the baby.

I'm gonna be okay.

- So who's all there?

I mean, your folks, your aunt and uncle.

- Yep, I think they maybe had gone home at that point.

'Cause this is the next night.

So they went home, showered, and like probably were coming back the next day.

I think my sister might've been there.

- Okay.

- Yeah.

- And do you remember at this point, were you prepared for Caroline not to make it?

- I mean, I was hoping that she would, but like, I think, I mean, obviously not just in the back of my mind, but I knew it was a possibility.

And when they're telling you the risks of ECMO, right, and they're like brain bleeds, and seizures, and which the cooling therapy, I guess it wasn't seizures, the cooling therapy that she's already on, she already has a risk of seizures when she comes off of that.

Which she's gotta be on that for three days.

So I just kind of look at the doctor, and this is the neonatologist on call was the head of the neonatologist department, the neonatology department at St. Francis.

And his name's Dr. Hawker.

And I said, Doc, I said, it sounds like if I don't do this, she's gonna die.

So I said, I don't believe the risks really matter.

So I'll sign whatever the heck you want me to sign.

And so that, he's like, okay.

- So you handed your daughter's life over to these doctors.

- Yeah, again.

- At this point.

- Again.

- Yeah.

This was your, it's your first kid.

- It's my first baby.

- I mean, this is supposed to be so special.

- I'm like 25 years old.

- Yeah.

This is, I mean, this is what people dream about their whole life.

- Right.

- And it's about, in your mind, I gotta imagine it's gonna be ripped away from it.

- Right, I'm like, it was like April 4th, right, is one of the best days of my life, but also one of the worst.

- [Rob] That's the day she was born.

- And that's the day she was born, yeah.

- Yeah, I gotta imagine it was a lot of praying.

- Yeah.

- By not just you, by everybody.

- By everybody.

- Yeah.

- We had people all over the world praying for her.

- Yeah.

Yeah, I remember hearing about it, and just my heart just sank.

- Well because like you and I talked all the time, right?

And I don't even think I had time to tell you.

Like, I didn't have time to tell you what was going on.

- Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I probably missed a grain rally at that day.

- Yeah, I don't remember what the markets were doing.

- [Rob] Nobody cares.

- I remember reading the commentary just for something to do, but.

(Rob laughing) - So at what point did you realize that there was gonna be hope?

- When she went on the ECMO, and she responded to it well.

And when she was three-days old, they were gonna start taking her off the cooling.

- [Rob] Okay.

- And she came off of it with no seizures, nothing.

And that was, they took her off in the middle of the night because they basically put her on in the middle of the night.

And so that gave us hope that she was okay there.

And then she came off the ECMO after about five days, I believe she was on ECMO, and she came off that okay.

But of course at this point you don't know that you have brain damage or not.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- And so I think finally, when she was eight days old, I got to hold her.

- Oh.

- Yeah.

And so that's probably when I actually felt hope.

- Okay, and at this point though, I don't know how to say this, but I just, I'm just gonna say it.

There's always that part in the back of your mind, my life's completely changed because now I might have a child with brain damage.

- Right, I don't know what that's gonna look like, right?

- [Rob] Yeah.

Like you said, you were young.

- Yeah.

- Having a kid's bad, I mean, bad?

- Bad.

- That's hard enough.

- You're horrible.

(Rob laughing) - Having a kid is hard enough, but having a special needs kid is just, that consumes- - It's an entirely different kind of strength than regular parenthood, I think it's safe to say, right?

- And I don't think it's selfish for someone in their 20s with their first kid to be really worried about that.

- Right, like just say, I really want my child to be okay.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- Like, and I was like, it's okay if she's not.

I'm just happy she's here.

And that's just where we were at for a long time.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- Because we just had no idea.

- How long before you were seeing signs that, okay, there's no damage.

- Well, I mean, she had to start making, meeting her milestones.

- [Rob] Yeah.

- So when she was sitting up, and of course like the little ones where they start interacting with you, but the sitting up, the crawling, the cruising to walking.

- [Rob] And were all those normal?

- All those were normal.

- Okay, so I don't know when they start to like sit up, but say it's like six weeks, and it's five and a half.

- She was sitting up at like five months.

- I tell you what, we can't get what I want to talk about in this interview.

So I'm gonna hold you over.

- Okay.

- I'm gonna do one of these.

You gotta stay tuned to next week to see what.

Now Caroline's fine.

We'll say Caroline is fine, but there's a whole lot that came from this.

You got the King Caravan that came from this, all sorts of great things that came from this very tough situation.

So we're gonna have you on next week.

We're gonna finish it.

So Donna, thank you very much.

- Thanks, Rob.

- Everybody else, we'll catch ya next time.