>> EDUCATED IN INDIA AND THE US, SAKYONG MIPHALM RINPOCHE IS A SPIRITUAL LEADER OF THOUSANDS IN TIBET AND THROUGHOUT THE WEST.

HIS TEACHING AND BEST SELLING BOOKS OFFER ANCIENT EASTERN WISDOM FOR OUR CONTEMPORARY LIVES.

HE IS MY GUEST, NEXT ON PROFILE.

>> SOON AFTER HIS PARENTS FLED TIBET DURING THE CHINESE INVASION, SAKYONG PHAM RINPOCHE WAS BORN IN INDIA, WHERE HE RECEIVED A BUDDHIST EDUCATION THAT CONTINUED IN THE UNITED STATES AND BRITAIN.

HE IS THE APPOINTED SPIRITUAL HEIR OF HIS FATHER, CHOGYAM TRUNGPA RINPOCHE, WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN BRINGING BUDDHISM TO THE WEST AND IN FOUNDING THE MEDITATION TRAINING CENTERS OF SHAMBHALA INTERNATIONAL AND THE NAROPA INSTITUTE.

SAKYONG MIPALM RINPOCHE NOW LEADS THE WORLDWIDE COMMUNITY OF 150 MEDITATION CENTERS, INCLUDING BARNET, VERMONT'S KARMA CHOLING.

RINPOCHE IS ALSO A BESTSELLING AUTHOR, A POET, AN ARTIST, REVERED TEACHER AND MARATHON RUNNER.

SO JUST COMING BACK FROM CHICAGO WHERE YOU DID VERY WELL.

>> DOING BETTER.

>> JUST BRIEFLY WHAT IS A SHAMBHALA PHILOSOPHY?

>> I THINK IT IS THE NOTION THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN THE WORLD WITH A SPIRITUAL INSPIRATION AND MIX IT WITH THEIR EVERY DAY LIFE AND NOT JUST SEPARATING FROM THE WORLD WHICH I THINK IS THE TENDENCY THAT YOU HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR HOUSE BUT REALLY THE NOTION IS YOU CAN BE IN YOUR LIFE AND HAVE MEANING.

>> AND YOU KNOW, WHY DOES STRIKE SUCH A CHORD WITH THE WEST IT AS SEEMS TO HAVE?

>> I THINK IT IS BECAUSE WE LIVE MORE OR LESS IN THE WORLD AND THERE IS NOT THE TRADITION AS MUCH IT AS USED TO BE BUT I THINK IT COMES FROM EVEN IN INDIA AND TIBET THERE WAS A TRADITION MUCH PEOPLE TRYING TO PRACTICE OR BE HELPFUL AND COMPASSIONATE AND WISE IN THEIR LIFE BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK IT IS A TIME WHERE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING MORE IN MY LIFE THAN JUST WORKING.

>> IT IS INTERESTING THAT SHAMBHALA PRACTITIONERS ARE PRIMARILY NONASIAN, NONBUTTE BUDDHIST, THEY COME FROM JUDAO CHRISTIAN BACKGROUNDS, ARE YOUR TEACHERS GEARED TO THE WESTERN MENTALITY THAT IS LOOKING FOR MORE?

>> I THINK INITIALLY IS THE NOTION WHEN MY FEAR CAME HERE AND AS I BEGAN TO TRY TO BRIDGE THESE TWO WORLDS IS CERTAIN INTEREST NOW IN THE WEST BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A MATERIAL SUSTAINABILITY AND SO FORTH, BUT AS I GOIN TRAVEL, I'VE BEEN TEACHING IN ASIA AND WELL, SINGAPORE ANTIWAN, AND I THINK TONY IS MORE MODERN LIFE THAN WESTERN IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT WAY BUT I THINK THE NOTION IS A CULTURE THAT, IN A SENSE, A LITTLE BIT LEAVES IT'S SORT OF HEART QUALITY AND MINDS QUALITY AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT.

>> AND CHOGYAM TRUNGPA WAS THE FIRST SHAMBHALA CENTER IN THE UNITED STATES CREATED OVER 35 YEARS AGO NOW AND NOW IS ONE OF 150 CENTERS IN 22 COUNTRIES.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FILM TO GIVE US A SENSE OF THAT PLACE AND IT SEEMS THAT YOU, THE REAL CENTER OF THIS IS INDEED MEDITATION AND THE MEDITATION ROOM IS THE HEART OF SUCH CENTERS.

>> I THINK SO.

I MEAN, I THINK THE MEDITATION IS THE PLACE WHERE THE TRANSFORMAL QUALITY TAKES PLACE.

REALLY HAVE YOU AN IDEA YOU WANT TO BE COMPASSIONATE, YOU WANT TO BE PEACEFUL, STRONG, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE OR LESS STRESSED AND THE MED STATION REALLY THE PERIOD YOU ENACT THAT AND BECOME THAT SO IT IS A PERIOD IN A DAY OR A PERIOD IN SOMEONE'S LIFE WHERE THEY GO AND MEDITATE AND IT IS, I FEEL A REALLY NATURAL PART OF LIFE OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT IS DONE EXTRA CURRICULAR.

>> SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A CENTER, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A PART OF EVERY DAY.

>> YEAH, THAT IS CERTAINLY WHAT I TRY TO ENCOURAGE AND IT REALLY STEMS FROM THE ROOTS WHERE DO YOU IT EVERY DAY, VERY BRIEFLY, 10, 15, 20 MINUTES.

>> WHAT ARE THE HANG UPS WE HAVE IN THE WEST THAT YOU FIND THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH THE MOST?

>> I THINK IT SEEMS TO BE THAT WITHIN MEDITATION THERE IS A QUALITY WHERE IT IS SOMETHING THE MIND IS, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE, IT SOMEBODY DIFFERENT, IT IS ALMOST LIKE IN ORDER, TO WHAT I FIND INTO N TEACHING MEDITATION, SOMETHING HAS TO GO WRONG WITH THEIR LIFE IN ORDER TO MEDITATE OR IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING.DHAIRCHT TAKES PLACE AND THAT IS CHANGING BUT I THINK THE QUALITY IS THE MEDITATION AND ALL THESE ASPECTS ARE AS NATURAL AS TAKING CARE OF YOUR BODY, RUNNING OR EXERCISING, A BASIC HEALTHY THING, SO THERE IS A SEPARATION TAKING PLACE WITH OUR MIND AND BODY THAT I FEEL NOW IS COMING BACK.

>> AND IN YOUR, MAYBE IT IS SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS FROM YOUR FATHER THERE IS THIS SELF INDULGENCE OF PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES AND EGOTISM OR PRIDE THAT SOMEHOW THE STUDY BEGINS TO GET AWAY FROM -- INTO PEOPLE COME IN FOR THEMSELVES AND ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY IT IS VERY MUCH ORIENTED TO THE INDIVIDUAL ITSELF AND FUNDAMENTALLY THESE TEACHINGS AND THIS, YOU KNOW, HUMAN HEART AND SPIRIT IS ACTUALLY ALTRUISTIC AND CAN HELP OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

IT IS STARTING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL BUT YOU CAN CONSIDER AND THINK ABOUT OTHERS.

>> THE OTHER THING THAT WAS INTERESTING WITH YOUR FATHER'S WORK IS THEY CAME UP WITH THE HYPOCRISY OF SPIRIT MATERIAL ISM WHICH IS SOMETHING HE FOUND HERE THIS KIND OF PRIDE AND IN BEING A SPIRITUAL PERSON, HE VERY MUCH THOUGHT YOU'VE GOT TO GET BEYOND THAT.

>> YEAH.

I THINK, YEAH, I AGREE, WHEN YOU MEDITATE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS AS YOU MEDITATE THERE IS A TENDENCY TO BECOME PROUD, YOU BECOME A PROUD MEDITATOR AND YOU BECOME INDIVIDUALISTIC IN THIS WAY AND IN ANY OF THIS, THERE IS A QUALITY OF WHAT DO WE VALUE, WE VALUE PRIDE AND ARROGANCE AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY IS WE SHOULD BE VALUING GENTLENESS AND GENEROSITY AND THESE OTHER ASPECTS.

>> YOU SPEAK OF THOSE, YOUR LINEAGE, YOUR SPIRITUAL LINEAGE IS ABOUT WARRIERSHIP AND I THINK IN A TIME OF WAR THAT MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTOOD.

WHAT DOES WARRIERSHIP IMMEDIATE TO YOU.

>> I THINK IT IS MORE TO DO WITH COURAGE OPPOSED TO NECESSARY IN COMBAT BUT I THINK THE IMAGE OF THE WARRIER IS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS BRAVE.

RIGHT NOW IT IS IN PARTICULAR TO DO WITH COMPASSION, IN PARTICULAR TO DO WITH HOW WE CAN BE HELPFUL.

THE NOTION THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO DO BUT CAN THEY DO IT AND IN STEPPING OUT AND DOING, IT EITHER IN THEIR LIFE TAKING POCKET, MAKING THEMSELVES INTO THE SCENE AND HOW CAN THEY BE COMPASSIONATE AND IT IS A QUALITY OF COMPASSION AND IT HAS TO HAVE COURAGE.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE WISDOM, COMPASSION AND COURAGE AND THE COURAGE AS IS THE WARRIER AND THERE IS ALSO THE QUALITY OF THESE PARTICULAR DAYS, THE IMIMMEDIATE SEE OF IT, WE HAVE TO ASK, WE CAN NOT WAIT AROUND.

>> THE OTHER DISTINCTION I THOUGHT WAS SO INTERESTING, CONTEMPLATION AND MEDITATION, THEY ARE DISTINCTION AND THEY HAVE THEIR PLACE COUNT EXPLAIN THAT DISTINCTION.

>> BASICALLY YOU HAVE TWO KINDS OF MEDITATION, ONE WHERE YOU ARE QUIETING THE MIND AND CENTERING THE MINDS, WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD THE STRESS REDUCTION AND CALMING AND THAT IS HELPFUL IN THE FIRST STAGE.

AND THE NEXT IS DEVELOPING WISDOM, INSIGHT, THAN IS ACTUALLY BRINGING THOUGHTS TO YOUR MEDITATION WHERE YOU ARE CONTEMPLATING TOPICS SUCH AS COMPASSION, HOW YOU CAN BE MORE LOVING AND GENEROUS AND INITIALLY I THINK THE NOTION HERE IS THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE INUNDATEDDATED WITH THEIR SORT F WANDERING MINDS.

THAT IS USUALLY THE FIRST THING WE TRY TO TEACH PEOPLE, SAYING IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT AND SO I THINK MOST OF US ARE SORT OF IN A SENSE OUR MIND BECOME AS NUISANCE.

>> RIGHT SO IT IS QUIETING THE MIND FIRST.

YOU WERE RAISED TO BE A RULER, A LEADER, CHOSEN BY YOUR FATHER TO CONTINUE HIS WORK.

YOU WERE ALSO RECOGNIZED AS AN INCARNATION OF A GREAT TIP BET AND IT TEACHER.

-- A GREAT TIB TIB TEACHER.

-- TIBETAN TEACHER.

IS THERE A TIME HE ARE YOU CYSTED THIS CALLING.

>> LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU THINK?

[LAUGHTER] >> TO BE ON TV.

>> EVEN WHEN I WAS SMALL I HAD AN INTEREST, MY MOTHER WOULD SAY I WOULD IMMEDIATELY WANT TO GO MEDITATE AND DO CEREMONIES WITH THE MONKS AND I HAD A SEND TEND SEE.TOWARDS THAT AND I REMEMBER HAVING THAT, BUT I THINK IT IS MORE TO BE A LEADER HAVE YOU TO BE IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE AND HELP OTHER PEOPLE SO IT IN A SENSE TAKES YOU AWAY FROM YOUR SPIRITUAL JOURNEY SO THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK FOR A WHILE AND I THINK AS TIME HAS GONE ALONG I DISCOVERED THAT ACTUALLY BEING AND TRYING TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE WITH THE SPIRITUAL JOURNEY, THERE IS ALWAYS A PUSH AND PULL AND EVEN KNOW I'M IN A SITUATION WHERE I'M SORT OF A BRIDGE CULTURALLY AND SPIRITUALLY SO OTHER TIBETAN TEACHERS ENCOURAGEINCURNY DO TH- ENCOURAGE ME TO DO THIS SOX THERE IS A SENSE OF MY OWN JOURNEY TAKING PLACE.

IT IS INTEREST, BACK AND FORTH.

>> YOUR FATHER DIED YOUNG AND YOU RETREATED TO INDIA FOR SEVERAL YEARS AFTER THAT UNTIL YOU WERE READY TO COME.

>> EXACTLY.

>> COME BACK OUT.

>> I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO HAVE MORE PERSONAL DEPTH AND UNDERSTANDING.

I KNEW WHAT MY RESPONSIBILITIES WERE.

I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I WAS SHYING AWAY FROM IT BUT FELT IN ORDER TO DO IT PROPERLY OR WITH GOOD HEART THAT I NEEDED TRAINING AND I CONTINUE AND I THINK IT IS A LIFE LONG.

>> YOU WERE IN BOTH WORLDS SO WORLDS SO WELL [LAUGHTER] ALONG AMERICAN OTHER THING, YOUR FATHER ENCOURAGED YOU TO STUDY THE ARTS, LIG FEE, POETRY, HE WAS A POET, JAPANESE, ARCHERY.

WHY ARE THE ARTS PERFORM FOR YOUR LIFE AND POTENTIALLY FOR OTHERS THAT ARE STUDENTS?

>> I THINK ARTS IS, OBVIOUSLY BOTH THE CREATIVE AND DISCIPLINED ASPECT, IT IS LIKE YOU ARE ACTUALLY EMBODIYING IT.

MED STATION A STILL THING AND YOU HAVE TO HE HAD BODY IT AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN WAYS TO EXPRESS IT AND THE ARTS HAVE BEEN AS MUCH AN INTRICKLE PART OF EDUCATION AS PHILOSOPHY AND EDUCATION AND IT EDUCATES YOU IN A WAY THAT IS NONVERBAL AND NONINTELLECTUAL AND THAT INDICATES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.

I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THAT.

THERE ARE A LOTS OF THANK YOU WHEN WE ARE UNSATSATISFIED IN OR LIVE THAT ARTISTIC IS STIFLED, IF IT IS JUST WORK.

AND IN A SENSE, IT IS SPIRITUALLY SERIOUS IN A SENSE THAT CAN ALSO BE A PROBLEM.

>> INTERESTING.

YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO TRAVEL TO TIBET, GOING BACK TO INDIA BUT A COUPLE TIMES IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS YOU ARE REVERED AS AN INCARNATE BEING, A GREAT SPIRITUAL TEACHER.

HOW ARE YOUR RELATIONS WITH CHINA?

WHEN DO GO BACK AND HOW DO THE AUTHORITIES VIEW YOU IN THE WHAT TIME YOU GENERATE WHEN YOU GO BACK TO TIBET?

>> IT WAS INITIALLY I HAD TO WAIT A WHILE IN ORDER FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GO AND GET THE PROPER TRAVELING PERMISSION AND CHINA HAS OPENLED UP ITS POLICY TOWARDS TIBET TEXAS HAS OPENED UP A LOT AND ALLOWED FOR MYSELF AND OTHER SPIRITUAL LEADERS TO RETURN BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT VERY SPIRITUAL WALL LEAD AND A LOT OF IT IS MAKING THE SORT OF INTENTION THIS REALLY IS TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.

I THINK CHINA IS ALSO OBVIOUSLY REALIZED THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST AND FOCUS ON TIBET AND IT IS BETTER TO OPEN IT UP, SO IN A SENSE WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY, REBUILD CERTAIN SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS, MONETARY, SCHOOLS, BUT -- MONESTARIES, SCHOOLS, AND THERE WAS A BIG INTEREST WHEN PEOPLE WAITING A LONG TIME, SINCE '59.

>> WHEN YOUR FATHER LEFT.

>> AND THAT SITUATION, THE DALAI LAMA LEFT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LEFT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING ALMOST THAT MANY YEARS AND IT WAS THE OLDER LAMA'S ESPECIALLY, ON THE FIRST TRIP I WAS ABLE TO SEE AND THEY PASSED AWAY SUBSEQUENT.

>> AMAZING.

ALSO YOU VISITED WITH THE 12th 12th, THE REINCARNATION OF YOUR FATHER, AND I THINK IT IS HARD FOR US IN THE WEST TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU RELATE TO THIS YOUNG BOY WHO IS A REINCARNATION OF YOUR LOVED ONE, YOUR BELOVED FATHER.

>> IT WAS, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WHEN WE WENT, THE MEETING WAS KIND OF VERY FORMAL, A LOT OF PEOPLE WONDERING WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE IMMEDIATELY HAD A PERSONAL CONNECTION AND HE WAS VERY SHY AND HE WAS VERY YOUNG SO IT WAS SORT OF ME BEING IN THE PARENTAL ROLE HERE AND TAKING CARE OF HIS EDUCATION.

THAT IS THE MAIN THING WE ARE DOING IS MAKING SURE THE HE HAD SITUATION TAKEN CARE OF AND WHEN WE WOULD DO CEREMONY MES, EVERY DAY HE WOULD BOB MORE AND MORE INTERESTED AND LESS NERVOUS AND AFTER A WHILE HE WAS SORT OF FOLLOWING ME AROUND EVERYWHERE.

>> NOT SURPRISED.

THE CHOFOUNDATION WAS SET UP IN HONOR OF YOUR MOTHER.

HOW HAS THAT COME ALONG.

>> WE'RE BUILDING A UNIVERSITY, SO IT WILL ALLOW OBVIOUSLY THE COMMUNITY AND MONKS AND NONES AND LAY PEOPLE TOO TO BE EDUCATED INED IN BUDDHIST AND RO THAT AND THAT IS A BREAM MY FATHER HAD BEFORE HE LEFT TEXAS WAS UNABLE TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE INVASION SO WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE FROM WHERE HIS INTENTION WAS AND IT IS COMING ALONG.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN, PEOPLE WERE SKEPTICAL IN THE BEGINNING SAYING IS THERE A PURPOSE L CHINESE TAKE IT DOWN BE A THEY REALIZED IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF REASON, ESPECIALLY SYMBOLICALLY, THERE IS REBUILDING TAKING PLACE SO IT HAS COME ALONG, WE'RE STILL DOING MORE WORK ON IT.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FATE OF TIBET IS AT THIS POINT?

DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THAT?

AT LEAST THINGS ARE MORE OPEN.

>> THINGS ARE MORE OPEN IT WAS DIFFICULT GOING BACK BECAUSE I THINK CHINA'S ECONOMIC STRENGTH IS SO, YOU HAVE TO SEE IT TO BELIEVE IT IN A SENSE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, IN FACT, A FEW PEOPLE IN MY GROUP WERE SORT OF OVERWHELMED BY IT BECAUSE THEY EXPECTED IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE BACKWARDS IN A SENSE AND IT WAS PROGRESSIVE, THE ROADS FROM WESTERN CHINA INTO TIBET, THEY WERE BUILDING AMAZINGLY GERMAN-LIKE ROADS AND VERY WELL DONE AND IT IS REALLY AFFECTING THE TIBET ISAN PEOPLE AND I THINK IT IS MORE FOR MYSELF, TRYING TO PRESERVE THE SPIRITUAL CULTURE AND ONE OF THE THINGS I TRY TO EXPRESS TO TIBETANS, ESPECIALLY YOUNG ONE, EVEN THOUGH WEAR SMALL GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, 6 MILLION INDIVIDUALS, WE ARE KNOWN WORLDWIDE AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE BUDDHIST TEACHING AND THAT MEDITATION SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO EMBRACE THAT INSTEAD OF ENDING UP ON AN INTERNET CAFE AND THOSE THING, YOU CAN LOSE A GENERATION.

>> THE DALAI LAMA IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAS BROUGHT SO MUCH OF TIBET TO THE FORE.

WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS HOLINESS AND HOW, I KNOW THAT YOU JUST WERE WITH HIM IN COLORADO AND HONORED HIM WITH A PEACE AWARD.

WHAT IS THE CONNECTION AND HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> WELL, HIS HOLINESS, ONE OF THE FIRST VISITS HE DID TO THE UNITED STATES WAS HOSTED BY MY FATHER AND BEING AT THAT VIS IPT AND HAVING A PERSONAL -- VISIT AND HAVING A PERSONAL MEETING WITH HIM AND SINCE THEN HE HAS BECOME A WORLD FIGURE, AND SO FOR, AS A TIBETAN, HIS BEING HERE IS ESSENTIAL IN TERMS OF KEEPING MILLION OF PEOPLE'S HOPE, IN TERMS OF THE TIBETAN, NOT ONLY SPIRITUALLY AND ALSO PURPOSE, SO THERE IS THAT AND ALSO JUST PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, I WAS VERY TOUCHED BY HIS UNDYING CIEBLDZ OF LITERAL COMPASSION, -- UNDYING LITERAL COMPASSION, HE SEEMED VERY STRONG.

THERE WAS CANCELLATION OF ONE OF HIS VISITS TO EUROPE AND BECAUSE HE SAID HE WAS ILL BUT WHEN I SAW HIM HE LOOKED GREAT AND REALLY, REALLY STRONG AND WAS JOKING AND EVERYTHING.

>> GREAT.

SPEAKING OF HEALTH, ONE OF THE WAYS YOU RAISE MONEY FOR THE FOUNDATION IN TIBET IS THROUGH MARATHON RUNNING AND YOU WERE HERE IN BURLINGTON AND JUST CAME BACK FROM COLORADO.

YOU ARE AN EXCEPTIONAL ATHLETE IN MANY SPORTS BESIDE THIS BUT WHAT DOES RUNNING AND EXERTION ADD TO YOUR LIFE AND COULD TO OURS?

>> FOR MYSELF, IT IS JUST INSTRUMENTAL FOR WHEN I'M TRAVELING, JUST GETTING OUT.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN PHYSICAL AND ENJOYED PLAYING SOME KIND OF SPORT, I NEVER INTENDED TO RUN MARATHONS BUT I JUST CEMENT RUNNING MORE AND SOMEONE SAID YOU SHOULD TRY MARATHON AND IT WORKS WELL IN THE RAISING MONEY FOR THE FOUNDATION AND BRINGING PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

BUT WE ARE SO SEDENTARY AND I NOTICE MYSELF MORE SO, GETTING MORE SEDENTARY BEING INDOORS IT IS ESSENTIAL TO BE IN CONTACT WITH THE ELEMENTS, TO HAVE BODY AWARENESS, JUST TO HAVE THAT ASPECT WOKE ENUP.

OTHERWISE IN A SENSE, A SMALL PART OF US DIES AND THERE IS A QUALITY WHERE YOU GET MORE AND MORE LETHARGIC SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE OTHER TIBETAN TEACHERS TO DO IT BUT IT IS SLOW PROGRESS.

>> THAT IS NOT AS EASY AS YOU MIGHT THINK EASTBOUND THOUGH THE DISCIPLINE IS CERTAINLY A BIG PART OF IT.

YOU WERE JUST MARRIED THIS PAST JUNE TO A TIBETAN PRICE SENSE WHO LINEAGE CAN BE TRACED BACK TO YOUR 11th CENTURY AND SAYS TER, AMAZING SINCE MANY OF US HAVE NO IDEA WHO OUR AND SAYS TERES WERE IN THE 11st SENLY.

>> WHAT DOES THAT UNION MEAN TO YOU AND SHAMBHALA AND TIBETANS.

>> START WITH ME.

>> OF COURSE.

>> IT HAS BEEN WONDERFUL BECAUSE WE SORT OF MET ACCIDENTALLY AND OUR FAMILY HAS HISTORY TOGETHER AND I KNEW THAT TOYED IN A SENSE GET MARRIED BECAUSE I'M FAMILY LINEAGE AND I HAD TO SORT OF GET MARRIED AND HAD CHILDREN SO I HAD A LOT OF PRESSURE TO GET MARRIED BUT AT A CERTAIN POINT PEOPLE GAVE UP ON ME @ND THEN SOMEHOW WE M AND WE GOT SORT OF, IMMEDIATELY I THINK WE BOTH FELT GOOD ABOUT IT, AND IT HAS BEEN A VERY IMPORTANT UNION FOR OBVIOUSLY OR COMMUNITY AND MY WIFE'S COMMUNITY, AND IT HAS ALSO BEEN BIG NEWS IN THE TIBETAN WORLD, PARTLY BECAUSE I THINK SPIRITUAL FAMILIES BEING MARRIED AND MAINTAINING SOME KIND OF TRADITION FROM THE PAST IS GETTING RARER AND, YOU KNOW, AS TIME GOES ON SO IT HAS BEEN UNIQUE.

IN FACT, I GO IN FEBRUARY TO YET ANOTHER WEDDING IN INDIA AMONG ALL THE TIBETANS.

>> WOULD THAT BE YOUR THIRD?

>> THAT IS MY THIRD.

>> THE BOND I'M SURE GETS STRONGER EVERY TIME.

>> THIS LAST ONE IN NOVA SCOTIA YOU MADE YOUR HEADQUARTERS FOR SHAMBHALA INTERNATIONAL NOW, WHY CANADA, WHY HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA.

>> PEOPLE ASK THAT A LOT.

>> WANT TO KNOW, I GUESS.

>> IT IS SORT OF FUNNY BECAUSE I THINK YEARS AGO MY FATHER ACTUALLY TRAVELED AROUND AND HE ACTUALLY WANTED TO HAVE A HOME IN CANADA AND HE WANTED NOVA SCOTIA AND WE ACTUALLY WENT TOGETHER AND FELT IT WAS, IN A SENSE, A GOOD PLACE FOR SPECIAL COMMUNITY BUDDHIST COMMUNITY THAT WAS ABLE TO BE IN A SENSE ACCOMMODATING AND ALSO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK SORT OF THE KIND OF AS YOU SUSPICIOUSNESS OF THE WHOLE THING AND IT HAS BEEN PRACTICAL WITH EUROPE AND THE UNITED STATES AND SO FORTH.

BUT THE COMMUNITY THERE IS GROWING AND DOING WELL.

>> AND YOU HAVE 1500 AT LEAST, PROBABLY A LOT AT THE WE HADING.

>> YEAH.

-- AT THE WE HADING.

>> YEAH.

YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE JUST AS MANY IN INDIA.

>> PROBABLY MORE.

>> PROBABLY MORE.

YOU OFTEN, IN SOME OF YOUR READINGS, REFER TO THESE TIMES AS DARK TIMES AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT YOUR VIEW 6 THE WORLD'S CURRENT SITUATION AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE YOU HOPE TO FIT IN.

>> UM-HUM.

THERE WAS A PROPHECY IN OUR TRADITION THIS IS SORT OF A DARK AGES AND THE NOTION OF DARKNESS, AND THIS IS A WORD IN TIBETAN THAT MEANS IN A SENSE PEOPLE HAVE SINCE LOST INSPIRATION, LOST A LITTLE BIT OF HOPE AND FUNDAMENTALLY I THINK THEY'VE LOST THE CONNECTION WITH TRYING TO BE COMPASSIONATE OR UNDERSTANDING.

IT IS ALMOST LIKE THEY AWHEN YOU SAY COMPASSION PEOPLE THINK IT IS TRITE OR FUTILE OR UNOBTAINABLE AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU SHOULD BE KIND OR HELP ONE ANOTHER, PEOPLE THAT IS IMPRACTICAL.

THE PROPHECY TALKS ABOUT FEAR.

WE ARE CAUSING 235ER AMONG EACH OTHER IN ALL IT SHALL FEAR AMONG EACH OTHER IN ALL THESE THINGS.

AND FUNDAMENTALLY WE ARE GOOD AND SANE INDIVIDUALS, ABLE.

SO THE NOTION OF DARK SENTENCE NOT SO MUCH IS A DOOMED TIME BUT SOMETIMES WHICH WANE FROM OUR ESSENCE AND I THINK RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE PART OF IT IS UNIVERSALLY WE HAVE TO HELP BRING OUT COMPASSION.

I THINK IT IS ALMOST LIKE AS THINGS BECOME MORE DIFFICULT, PEOPLE ALSO REALIZE THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER WAY AND THING IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.

>> SO YOUR PIECE OF WISDOM FOR LIVING WELL THROUGH THESE TIMES, COMPASSION?

>> I WOULD SAY COMPASSION, I WOULD ALSO SAY PURPOSEFUL OR MEANINGFUL ABOUT ONE'S LIFE, HAVING INTENTION, HAVING A PURPOSE.

OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE MED NATION A SENSE IT BRING AS SENSE OF INNER PEACE FROM THERE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WILL BECOME CLOSE TROFOE BIC, BUT FROM THERE THERE -- CLAUSTROFOE BIC, IT IS LIKE PEOPLE DEMAND TOO MUCH FROM THEMSELVES, HOW CAN WE BE HELPFUL AND OF SERVICE BECAUSE IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW FACT WORLD CONTINUES TO BE A ME-ME WORLD, IT DOES LOSE RESPONSIBILITIES.

-- ITS POSSIBILITIES.

>> AND TITLE BESTOWED ON YOU MEANS EARTH PROTECH TER.

WHAT -- PROTECH TORE.

WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES DOES THAT INTALE.

>> IT IS PRACTICALNESS OF TRADITIONS PASSED DOWN TO ME, ALSO THE NOTION OF TRYING TO BE SOME KIND OF EXAMPLE AS I TRY TO EMBODY THESE TEACHERS AND A LOT OF THAT IS DIFFICULT IN A SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT AND A LOT OF IT IS JUST PROTECTING PEOPLE'S, PROTECTING ONE'S OWN AWAKENMENT, THAT IS REALLY WHAT THE WORD MEANS.

>> YOUR NEWEST BOOK, "RULING YOUR WORLD," WHAT IS THE PRINCIPLE PIECE THAT, RULING AGAIN, CAN BE A POWERFUL WORD IN THE UNITED STATES IN PARTICULAR, BUT WHAT IS THE MAIN MESSAGE THAT YOU WANT TO PUT THROUGH WITH THIS BOOK?

>> IT IS, FUNNILY, I THINK IT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT ONE CAN BE SAYSFUL BY BEING COME -- SUCCESSFUL BY BEING COMPASSIONATE AND THE NOTION IS INSTEAD OF AGGRESSION IS THE MEANS BUT COMPASSION IS THE MEANS.

PEOPLE SAY THAT IS FINE IF YOU WANT TO BE SPIRITUAL BUT WE ARE SEEING ANCIENT RULERS HAVE USED THESE PRINCIPLES AND A GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE DALAI LAMA HIMSELF STICKING TO THESE PRINCIPLES AND BEING SUCCESSFUL SO THE NOTION IS WHAT IS ANOTHER WAY WE CAN RULE OUR WORLD AMOUNT LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE RULE OUR OWN WORLD IT IS THROUGH ADIRECTION, THE SWAY BY LOVING THOSE AND US AND CARING FOR THOSE AND US AND NOT JUST SAYING THAT IS THROUGH MEDITATION, DEEPENING AND UNDERSTANDING.

>> I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR BEING WITH US AND SHARING EUROPE WORK, SAKYONG IS THE AUGHTER OF RULING YOUR WORLD AND TURNING THE MINDS INTO AN ALLY AND HE IS OF COURSE THE SPIRITUAL LEADER OF SHAMBHALA INTERNATIONAL, YOU CAN GO TO THEIR WEB SITE AS WWW.SHAMBHALA.ORG OR WWW.VPT.ORG FOR MORE INFORMATION.

THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

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