[♪♪] GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO KENTUCKY TONIGHT.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

OUR TOPIC TONIGHT: SENATE BILL 150 AND LGBTQ-PLUS ISSUES.

THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED SENATE BILL 150 EARLIER IN THE YEAR.

IT INCLUDES A BAN ON GENDER-AFFIRMING MEDICAL CARE FOR TRANS YOUTH, AND IT LETS TEACHERS USE A PRONOUN ALIGNED WITH A STUDENT’S BIOLOGICAL SEX, EVEN IF THAT GOES AGAINST THE STUDENT’S WISHES.

THE ACLU OF KENTUCKY IS ASKING A JUDGE TO BLOCK THE HEALTHCARE SECTION OF THE BILL, BEFORE IT GOES INTO EFFECT ON JUNE 29TH.

THE LATEST DISPUTE IS OVER THE USE OF THE WORD “OR” IN ONE PART OF SB 150.

THE LAW BANS ANY INSTRUCTION ON HUMAN SEXUALITY IN GRADES K THROUGH 5 -- OR -- INSTRUCTION ON GENDER IDENTITY OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION FOR ALL GRADES.

THE DEPARTMENT SAYS THE USE OF THE CONJUNCTION 'OR'....

INSTEAD OF 'AND'..... MEANS SCHOOLS CAN STILL DO ONE OR THE OTHER.

I TALKED TO EDUCATION COMMISSIONER JASON GLASS ABOUT THAT INTERPRETATION, WHEN I INTERVIEWED HIM LAST THURSDAY.

>> COMMISSIONER GLASS THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COP JUNCTION MORE WHICH HAS GOTTEN MOREHEAD LINES.

SENATE BILL 150'S LANGUAGE YOU HAVE USED THE WORD OR TO ALLOW FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO DECIDE ABOUT TEACHING SENSUAL OTHER GENERATION AND SEXUAL IDENTITY.

>> IT WAS THE LANGUAGE IN THE BILL IT WAS NOT OUR DETERMINATION TO USE THE WORD OR THAT IS IN THE STATUTE NOW.

WE HAVE ISSUED TWO SETS OF GUIDANCE RELATED.

THE FIRST SET DID NOT POINT OUT THAT DIFFERENCE AND WE STARTED HEARING FROM ATTORNEYS WHO REPRESENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND ASSOCIATIONS AND THEY POINTED OUT THAT ERROR IN THE LAW.

WE KNOW IT IS AN ERROR BASED ON THE REACTION WE'RE SEEING FROM THE SENATE G.O.P.

AND THE KENTUCKY COMPONENT.

BUT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TO US BY THE ATTORNEYS AND POINTING OUT THAT IS AN ERROR.

>> Renee: SENATOR MAX WISE THE SPONSOR OF SENATE BILL 150 SAYS IT IS A WARPED INTERPRETATION TO WIGGLE OUT OF THE LAW AND CALLED IT AN ABSURD EFFORT TO SKIRT STATE LAW.

COUNTER TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

>> I WOULD DISAGREE WITH SENATOR WISE.

IT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WROTE OR INTO THE STATUTE.

IT WOULD BE A WARPED INTERPRETATION TO CALL OR AND AND INSTEAD.

IT'S CLEAR THE LEGISLATORS MADE AN ERROR AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO, I ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY AND I GO ABOUT STRAIGHTENING IT OUT.

THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT NEXT SESSION AND I'M SURE THEY WILL CORRECT THE ERROR AND POINT TO ME AND SAY YOU CAUSED THIS IS FALSE.

WE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF THE BILL AND IT WAS RUSHED THROUGH AT THE LAST-MINUTE IT'S SURPRISING THERE ARE NOT MORE ERRORS WITH THE SPEED UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS THAT THIS MOVED THROUGH.

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>> Renee: HAVE OTHER ERRORS BEEN FOUND?

>> WE HAVE LOTS OF CONFLICTS WITH SCHOOL, BEST PRACTICES, WITH FEDERAL LAW, WITH POSSIBLE CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL COME OUT AS THIS GETS IMPLEMENTED PROBABLY TO BE SOLVED IN THE COURTS OR AS CHALLENGES RISE UP WE MAY SEE THE LEGISLATURE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO IT.

THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DETERMINED.

THERE IS A LOT WE DON'T KNOW IN OUR GUIDANCE WE TRIED TO POINT OUT THE COMPLEXITIES HERE ARE THINGS YOU NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT TAKING CARE OF YOUR STUDENTS.

HERE IS WHERE IT CONFLICTS WITH FEDERAL LAW AND WHERE IT MAY CAUSE A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE IT WILL BE UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO DETERMINE HOW THEY HANDLE THOSE ISSUES.

>> Renee: YOU MENTION THAT REPUBLICANS ACKNOWLEDGED THIS WAS AN ERROR.

WHO ACKNOWLEDGED IT WAS AN ERROR?

>> IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY ARE OWNING UP TO IT.

THEY ARE POINTING OUT THE INTENT WAS TO BE AND AND THAT IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS.

SO WE ARE QUOTING THE EXACT LANGUAGE IN THE BILL THAT SAYS OR.

AND SO I WOULD SAY BASED ON THEIR REACTION THE INTENT WAS FOR IT TO BE AND.

THE RIGHT THING IS NEXT SESSION GO IN AND CORRECT THE ERROR.

>> Renee: IN THE MEANTIME WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IF IT IS AN ERROR OR POSSIBLE LITIGATION THAT MANY COULD FEAR SHOULD THEY COMPLY AT ALL?

AND WOULD THERE BE PENALTIES FOR THAT?

>> WE'VE PROVIDED NON-REGULATORY GUIDANCE.

IT ADVISES THEM HERE IS THE LANDSCAPE IN WHICH THIS POLICY WILL BE IMPLEMENTED AND THINGS FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO THINK ABOUT.

IT WILL BE UP TO THEM TO CONSULT WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS AND WHAT ARE THEIR RISKS AND WHAT IS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE STUDENTS AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM.

>> Renee: ARE YOU HEARING THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LITIGATION EITHER WAY THEY INTERPRET THE LAW?

>> YES.

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE.

BECAUSE AGAIN WE'VE GOT CONFLICTS WITH BEST PRACTICE AND CONFLICTS WITH FEDERAL LAW, AND CONFLICTS WITH POSSIBLE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES ALL WILL DEPEND HOW THIS IS IMPLEMENTED AND WHAT HAPPENS.

I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW IT ROLLS OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO SEE CASES.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME FILED AGAINST ELEMENTS OF SENATE BILL 150.

BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE POINTS THIS LAW COULD BE CHALLENGED.

>> Renee: TO MAKE IT PLAIN WHAT DOES YOUR GUIDANCE GIVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THE PERMISSION TO DO?

>> WELL, IT MERELY SAYS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO ADOPTING A POLICY AROUND TOPICS RELATED TO GENDER IDENTITY, SEXUAL IDENTITY OR MATT TOURATION THERE IS A CHOICE THE DISTRICTS HAVE THEY CAN EXCLUDE IT FOR STUDENTS UNDER GRADE 5.

OR THEY CAN EXCLUDE IT FOR EVERYONE.

SO THAT OR IS THE OPERATIVE TERM.

WE'VE SEEN SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS LOOK AT THAT AND DECIDE THEY ARE GOING TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE THE LAW GIVES THEM THAT ABILITY.

OTHERS ARE WRESTLING DO THEY DO BOTH?

BECAUSE THEY ARE HEARING FROM THE LEGISLATURE THEY ARE GOING TO CORRECT THIS.

IT'S -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND HOW THE ATTORNEYS WILL HANDLE IT.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GLASS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Renee: JOINING US TO DISCUSS THIS BY SKYPE, SENATE SENATOR MAX WISE A REPUBLICAN FROM CAMPBELLSVILLE AND THE SPONSOR OF 150.

IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO: CHRIS HARTMAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FAIRNESS CAMPAIGN; RICHARD NELSON, FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE COMMONWEALTH POLICY CENTER; AND REBECCA BLANKENSHIP, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BAN CONVERSION THERAPY KENTUCKY.

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NEAR AND A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.

SENATOR WISE I WANT TO COME TO YOU FIRST BECAUSE WE HEARD YOUR NAME MENTIONED A FEW TIMES WITH THE INTERVIEW WITH COMMISSIONER GLASS AND YOUR RESPONSE AND PARTICULARLY DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LANGUAGE IS AT BEST MURKY AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO CLARIFY THE INTENT OF WHAT WAS PASSED IN SENATE BILL 150?

>> FIRST, RENEE THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON TONIGHT.

BASED ON THE INTERVIEW WITH COMMISSIONER GLASS FIRST WE ARE LOOKING AT BUREAUCRATIC ACTIVISM AT ITS FINEST.

GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR APPOINTED THE COMMISSIONER TO THE POSITION WHO HAS FAR LEFT LEANING VALUES THAT HE PUT FORTH AND ISSUING THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS THERE.

AND WITH THAT, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING HIM TALKING ABOUT WHEN MISTAKES ARE MADE THAT HE HAS CORRECTED THOSE MISTAKES I WONDER WHERE HE WAS WAS THERE A CORRECTION OR ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF HIS COMMENTS FOR KENTUCKY TEACHERS WHEN HE TOLD THEM THEY NEED TO LOOK FOR JOBS NOT FOLLOWING THE ISSUE OF CURRICULUM HE WAS TRYING TO PUSH OUT.

IN TERMS OF YOUR SECOND FOLLOW-UP, RENEE, IF WE GO BACK AND CHANGE THAT EXACTLY THERE'S TIMES THAT THE LEGISLATION INTENT IF WE LOOK AT STATUTES AND REVISIONS OR CORRECTIONS WE ALWAYS CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT SESSION.

I WILL SAY THIS HOW MANY TIMES WE TALK ABOUT BUREAUCRATIC ACTIVISM WE COULD GO THROUGH MULTIPLE LAWS IF WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WORDS THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF CASE LAW TO GO BACK TO AND INTERPRET THE WAY THE BUREAUCRAT INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE INTENT OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.

>> Renee: WAS IT THE ACTUAL INTENT OR WAS IT THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS INSERTED TO GIVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AN OPTION?

WAS IT REALLY INTENTIONAL FOR IT TO BE AN OR?

>> WHAT YOU HAD IS HOUSE COMMITTEE SUBONE WAS PUT IN THE SENATE 150, ANY BILL DOES AS IT RELATES THERE.

ALL THOSE PORTIONS OF SENATE BILL 150 THAT YOU SAW AND THE TIME PRODUCT WERE PORTIONS OF SENATE BILLS MY ORIGINAL BILL 150 AND YOU HAD HOUSE BILLS MAR- MERGED THERE.

AND ATTORNEYS DRAFTERS AND SO FORTH ARE PUT INTO THAT MERGER OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE SUBONE HAS IT WAS BROUGHT FORTHWITH THE HOUSE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.

>> THIS IS FROM THERESA WHILE THE INTERVIEW WAS PLAYING AND IT'S DIRECTED TO YOU SENATOR WISE AND IT SAYS THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IS IGNORING THE LAW SB150.

WHAT LEGISLATION ARE YOU WORKING ON THIS SUMMER THAT WILL ADD CONSEQUENCES TO SB150 FOR REFUSING TO OBEY THE LAW?

FIVMENT YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE BILL I DRAFTED WITH OUR LRC BILL DRAFTERS THAT PORTION OF 150 A YEAR AGO WAS DONE IN JUNE AND JULY AFTER A MEETING BETWEEN LEGISLATORS AND COMMISSIONER GLASS IN THE ANNEX IN A CLOSED SESSION MEETING AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERNS WE ARE HEARING FROM SUPERINTENDENTS, ADMINISTRATORS AND PARENTS RELATED TO THE GINGERBREAD TOOLKIT PUT FORTH.

WE TOLD HIM WE WANTED IT TAKEN OFF THE WEBSITE AND HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT PRONOUN USAGE AND KEEPING THINGS QUIET FOR PARENTS.

THAT IS WHEN I STARTED WORKING ON THE PORTION OF SENATE BILL 150.

RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHER LEGISLATORS.

I HAVE NOT YET HAD A MEETING WITH ANY BILL DRAFTER YET.

BUT THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE INTERIM THAT PART OF THE PROCESS WE CAN GO THROUGH AND SEE IF THERE'S HOUSE MEMBERS OR SENATORS THAT MAY WANT TO HAVE A CHANGE TO THIS OR MAYBE WE ADD THINGS TO THAT AS WELL.

>> REBECCA BLANKENSHIP WELCOME TO "KENTUCKY TONIGHT".

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

GIVEN THE CONVERSATION YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS BILL AND WORKING AGAINST THIS BILL WHEN IT WAS UP BEFORE THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY DO YOU FEEL -- FIRST OF ALL DID YOU AGREE WITH THE LANGUAGE AS IT WAS WRITTEN AND DO YOU BELIEVE THIS CON JUNCTION OF OR WILL PROVIDE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WITH OPTIONS?

>> I WILL SAY I DISAGREE WITH THE INTENTIONS OF SENATE BILL 150.

CONCERNING THIS PARTICULAR LAW MY ADVICE TO SENATOR WISE NOT TO RIGHT ONE THE NIGHT BEFORE HE PASSES IT LIKE A DRUNK COLLEGE STUDENT BANGING OUT A PAPER.

OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM MUST REPLY ON TEXTUAL INTERPRETATIONS OF LAW.

IF WE DISREGARD WE ARE LICENSING THE COURTS TO USE THE JUDICIAL ACTIVISM THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SPENT THE LAST THREE YEARS DECOUNTRYING AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

WHEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO A PRECEDENT FROM 1952 TO JUSTIFY INTERPRETING AN OR AS AN AND WRITTEN BY A LIBERAL JUSTICE IT'S SHOCKING TO SEE THE MAJORITY PARTY DEPART FROM THE PRINCIPLES THEY ARTICULATED AS SOON AS THAT OPPORTUNITY IS AVAILABLE.

KED I DON'T THINK THEY ARE COMMITTED TO LGBTQ RIGHTS.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH Mr. GLASS WHERE I EXPRESSED MY DISMAY THE GUIDANCE HAD GONE BEYOND IN MY VIEW THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAW BY REQUIRING THAT SCHOOLS END GAY STRAIGHT ALLIANCES AND OTHER LGBTQ AFTER SCHOOL CLUBS.

I THINK IT'S POSITIVE STEP THAT KED IS MOVING CLOSER TO A TEXTUAL INTERPRETATION AND THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES SHOULD DO THAT.

>> SENATOR?

>> WELL, FIRST, I TAKE CRITICISM OF WHAT WAS BEING SAID ABOUT DRUNKEN COLLEGE STUDENT THE NIGHT BEFORE.

I THINK THAT IS OUT OF LINE.

FIRST OF ALL, TRY TO MAKE A COMPARISON OF ME OR MY COLLEAGUES THAT THAT IS HOW WE WORK THE NIGHT BEFORE.

WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME.

THE BILL WENT THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

WENT THROUGH THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

EVERY PORTION OF THAT BILL HAD BEEN PREFILED OR FILED OR OUT IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR THEM TO SEE.

WHAT WAS PUT FORTH YES, IT MAY HAVE CAME AFTER WHAT HAPPENED WITH HOUSE BILL 490 ON THE CLERK'S DESK BUT YOU KNOW WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME IN TERMS OF MERGING AND PUT IN HOUSE COMMITTEE SUBS INTO SENATE BILLS AND VICE VERSA.

>> Renee: SOMEONE I TALKED TO THE BILL ABOUT TODAY AND THE USE OF THE OR AND THE PLACEMENT, MADE AN ANALOGY LIKE SAYING I DON'T WANT YOU TO SIT ON THE COUCH OR THE CHAIR.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO SIT ON EITHER ONE.

IT IS THAT AN EITHER OR.

IT'S NONE OF THEM.

WHY DO YOU NOT INTERPRET THAT TO BE OR DO YOU INTERPRET THAT TO BE THE CASE IN SB150 IN THIS SECTION.

>> I AGREE WITH Dr. GLASS' ASSESSMENT OF THAT CONJUNCTION.

AND I FIND IT SO FUNNY.

YOU KNOW, SENATOR WISE THE OTHERS THEY HAVE EGG ALL OVER THEIR FACE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THIS COULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BUT FOR LIKE EVERYONE IS SAYING THIS WAS PASSED UNDER THE CLOAK OF DARKNESS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT THEY WERE DRAFTING THIS THROWING EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO CREATE THIS FRANKENSTEIN MONITOR OF ANTI-FAIRNESS BILLS COMBINED INTO ONE AND OF COURSE THEY MADE MISTAKES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T READ IT AND THEY DENT'S DEBATE IT AND THE SCHOOLS GET A CHOICE.

DO YOU EITHER NOT TEACH ABOUT HUMAN SEXUALITY UNDER 6TH GRADE.

OR DO YOU NOT TALK ABOUT LGBTQ ISSUES FROM KINDERGARTEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH SENIOR YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL.

WE DON'T LIKE EITHER OPTION.

>> Renee: DO YOU CARE FOR EITHER OPTION?

>> I HATE BOTH OPTIONS BUT IT'S GIVEN THE SCHOOLS A CHOICE BECAUSE OF THE ERROR.

N>> DOES IT PLEASE YOU THAT SCHOOLS HAVE A CHOICE?

>> I AM GLAD THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE THINGS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE TAUGHT IN KENTUCKY SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY ARE VITAL.

KIDS SHOULD HAVE INSTRUCTION IN HUMAN SEXUALITY AND CONSENT AND PERSONAL SPACE AND OUR BODIES WELL BEFORE SIXTH GRADE AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT LGBTQ ISSUES FROM KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

>> Mr. NELSON YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE PROGRAM BEFORE AND TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE, GIVEN WHERE WE'VE LEFT OFF WE HAVE THE KED REVISED GUIDANCE AND A A.C.L.U.

LAWSUIT THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT.

DO YOU THINK THIS WAS WRITTEN SOLIDLY ENOUGH WHERE THE INTENT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR AND THERE SHOULD BE NO CONFUSION?

>> I THINK IT WAS.

THE INTENT WAS CLEAR AS FAR AS RESTRICTING WHAT CAN BE TAUGHT IN K-5 CLASSROOMS WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO TEACH GRADES 6-12.

BATHROOM POLICY THAT IS A BILL INTRODUCED GOING BACK TO 2015.

IT'S COME UP SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THEN.

ANOTHER PORTION OF THE BILL, RESTRICTS PUBERTY BLOCKER AND GENDER TRANSITION SURGERIES THAT IS INTRODUCED THE LAST THREE SESSIONS IN A ROW.

THERE IS NO SECRET WITH THIS LEGISLATION.

IT'S BEEN IN COMMITTEE.

AND ONE REASON WHY THIS HAS BEEN INTRODUCED AND SENATOR WISE POINTED THIS OUT WAS BECAUSE OF THE GUIDANCE THAT THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION ISSUED LAST SUMMER THAT SUGGESTED THAT PUBLIC SCHOOLTEACHERS USE THE PREFERRED GENDER PRONOUNCE OF STUDENTS AND KEEP IT SECRET FROM PARENTS IF THE CHILD WISHES THAT.

NOW, THIS LED TO SOME OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE INTERPRETED THAT AS DIRECTION INSTEAD OF GUIDANCE BUT WE KNOW OF SITUATIONS WHERE PUBLIC SCHOOLTEACHERS HAVE LEFT THE PROFESSION.

I'M THINKING OF RANDY ADAMS THE PRINCIPAL AT ANDERSON COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL WHO HAD AN ISSUE WITH KEEPING SOMETHING SECRET FROM PARENTS.

WHEN HE TALKED TO THE SUPERINTENDENT THERE, IN ANDERSON COUNTY, HE WAS PUT AND SHARED HIS CONCERNS HE WAS PUT ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE.

HE DETERMINED THAT HE COULD NOT CONTINUE TO TEACH IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS CONSCIENCE.

HERE IS THE TAKEAWAY, RENEE... OUR SCHOOLS SHOULD NOT BE PLACES WHERE GENDER IDENTITY ACTIVISM AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS INTRODUCED AT YOUNG GRADES AND BECAUSE OF THE GUIDANCE IT OPENS THE DOOR TO PRECISELY THAT IN GRADES K-5.

THIS IS THE THING THAT PARENTS ARE UPSET ABOUT AND THIS IS WHAT THE LEGISLATURE RESPONDED TO.

>> Renee: WE HEARD COMMISSIONER GLASS SAY THIS IS JUST GUIDANCE.

IT DOESN'T TEAM TO BE REPERCUSSIONS FOR FOLLOWING IT OR NOT FOLLOWING IT.

THIS COMMENT FROM MARIA.

AND I WILL GET YOU TO SENATOR WISE.

IF WE WOULD NOT ALLOW MINORS TO DECIDE ABOUT ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO WHY WE WITH WE ALLOW THEM TO DECIDE ABOUT GENDER ALTERING SERVICES AND TREATMENTS?

>> OH, MY, THIS AGAIN.

SO THE REALITY IS THAT FOR A CHILD TO RECEIVE GENDER AFFIRMING HEALTHCARE FIRST THE FIRST GENDER AFFIRMING HEALTHCARE THAT MOST CHILDREN RECEIVE IS TALK THERAPY.

IS WORKING WITH A MENTAL HEALTH HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR GENDER IDENTITY.

TO TALK ABOUT WHO THEY ARE IDENTIFYING AND WHO THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

WHEN PUBERTY IS GETTING READY TO HIT THAT IN CONSULTATION WITH A PEDIATRIC ENDOCRINOLOGIST AND OR THE CHILD'S PEDIATRICIAN, AND THE MENTAL HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS AND THE CHIDE'S PARENTS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARENTS' RIGHTS AS WELL.

ONLY THEN ARE PUBERTY BLOCKING DRUGS AT TIMES ADMINISTERED, PRESCRIBED FOR TRANS KIDS AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME YEARS LATER PERHAPS HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY.

THIS IS PROVEN SAFE AND EFFECTIVE AND MEDICALLY NECESSARY TREATMENT.

AND SUPPORTED BY EVERY SINGLE MAJOR MEDICAL ASSOCIATION IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WHO HAVE FILED A FRIEND OF THE COURT BRIEF FOR THE A.C.L.U.

'S LAWSUIT.

WHY DOES SENATOR WISE AND RICHARD NELSON THINK THEY KNOW MORE THAN LITERALLY EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL ASSOCIATION IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

>> Renee: REBECCA BLANKENSHIP, ARE GENDER OR SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS HAPPENING TO MINORS IN KENTUCKY RIGHT NOW?

>> NO, MA'AM, QUITE THE OPPOSITE AND EVERY LGBTQ ORGANIZATION IN THE COMMONWEALTH SAID WE WERE FINE WITH BANNING THOSE SORTS OF SURGERIES FOR MINORS.

WE BAN UNICORN ATTACKS IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.

THE REALITY IS THAT PROPONENTS OF THIS LEGISLATION HAVE TO LIE ABOUT IT HAVE TO LIE ABOUT WHAT TREATMENT KIDS ARE RECEIVING WHAT THIS ENTAILS.

BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN GENDER IDENTITY AT ALL.

THEY DON'T THINK THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS SUFFERING FROM GENDER DYSMORPHIA SHOULD RECEIVE APPROPRIATE TREATMENT OR IF THEY DO THEY ARE ADVOCATES OF CONVERSION THERAPY.

IT IS A SHAME WE'VE CUTOFF ALL OF THE MEDICAL OPTIONS FAMILIES HAVE TO KEEP THEIR KIDS SAFE AND HEALTHY.

KENTUCKY'S FAMILIES DESERVE BETTER AND THIS IS NOT IT.

>> Renee: SENATOR WISE, AND THEN YOU Mr. NELSON.

>> THANKS.

I WANT TO GO BACK.

YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE GUIDANCE.

AND THAT IS WHAT THAT IS.

IT'S FROM THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, THEY ARE NOT LEGISLATORS AND ESPECIALLY WITH COMMISSIONER GLASS AND ONCE AGAIN WE ARE GETTING INTO ALMOST MENTAL GYMNASTICS THAT THE COMMISSIONER AND THE GOVERNOR WANT TO PLAY OF SKIRTING THE LAW.

I WILL SAY THIS...

THEY GOT THE GUIDANCE RIGHT IN MID-APRIL.

IT WAS APRIL 17TH IF I'M NOT CORRECT AND THEY WAIT TWO MONTHS LATER THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE AND PUT OUT WITH MORE ATTORNEYS SAY WHAT ELSE CAN WE START TO FIND.

ALL YOU'VE DONE IS CONFUSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND SUPERINTENDENTS GETTING READY TO RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING THE PORTION OF THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER SOON AND WE ARE HAVING TO GO BACK TO THIS.

IF I AM A SCHOOL DISTRICT I'M FOLLOWING THE LAW NOT THE GUIDANCE THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE BY THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION UNDER COMMISSIONER GLASS.

>> Renee: BEFORE WE COME TO YOU Mr. NELSON I DID TALK WITH DAVID WALLS THE DIRECTOR OF THE FOUNDATION FAMILY HERE ARE HIS THOUGHTS ABOUT THE GUIDANCE.

>> DAVE WALLS WITH THE FAMILY FOUNDATION THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE IT.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, RENEE.

>> Renee: WHAT ARE THE FAMILY FOUNDATION'S OBJECTIONS TO THE KDA GUIDANCE OR SB150.

>> WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABSURD GUIDANCE THAT THEY PROVIDED IN THIS UPDATED GUIDANCE WHERE THEY ARE ENCOURAGING SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW.

THE IDEA THAT THE LEGISLATURE IN THESE IMPORTANT PROVISIONS AND PROTECTIONS FOR KIDS, GAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS A CHOICE AS TO WHAT PORTION OF THE LAW WOULD BE FOLLOWED IS PRETTY RIDICULOUS.

AND WE KNOW THIS IS THE CASE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL GUIDANCE ON APRIL 17TH ON THIS SECTION JUST VERY GAVE A PLAIN READING OF THE PROVISIONS WELL UNDERSTOOD BY ADVOCATES ON BOTH SIDES BY LAWMAKERS, BY THE DEBATE THAT HAPPENED WHEN THIS WAS ON THE FLOOR.

SO REALLY IT'S UNFORTUNATE TO SEE A CONTINUED POLITICIZATION OF THE KED PUTTING OUT GUIDANCE AND ENCOURAGING SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO ESSENTIALLY NOT FOLLOW IMPORTANT PROVISIONS OF SB150.

>> Renee: WE WILL HAVE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER GLASS IT WAS UPON A REVIEW BY ATTORNEYS THAT FOUND THAT LANGUAGE TO PRESENT PROBLEMS AND LAWSUITS FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

DOES THAT NOT HOLD ANY SPECIAL SWAYION IN YOUR VIEW?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IS INTENTIONAL DODGING OF THE LAW BY ISSUING THIS GUIDANCE?

>> WE ABSOLUTELY DO.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, RENEE, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, THERE'S BEEN A A SERIES POLITICIZED GLANCE PUT OUT BY THE KED UNDER COMMISSIONER GLASS PRIOR TO THE LAST SCHOOL YEAR WHERE THEY PUT OUT THE GUIDANCE ON PRONOUN USAGE THAT TRAMPLED ON PARENTAL RIGHTS.

SOME OF THE PROVISIONS IN SB150 SPECIFICALLY HAD TO BE WERE INCLUDED BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE PREVIOUS GUIDANCE AS IT RELATED TO PARENTAL RIGHTS.

SO NOW UNFORTUNATELY, THE KED IS ONCE AGAIN GIVEN INTO THE DEMANDS OF LGBTQ ADVOCATES WHO HAVE BEEN DEMANDING THAT SB150 NOT BE FOLLOWED FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS FIRST PASSED.

SO I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE WHEN YOU PUT OUT GUIDANCE THAT IS A PLAIN READING WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES AND YOU HEAR FROM ADVOCATES, TELLING YOU TO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW AND TO LOOK FOR WAYS AROUND THE LAW AND THEN YOU PUT OUT AN UPDATED GUIDANCE SAYING THAT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

>> Renee: WHAT HAS BEEN THE FAMILY FOUNDATION'S SUPPORT AND THE ARGUMENTS YOU'VE MADE IN SUPPORTIVE OF SB150 ALL ALONG THE FAMILY FOUNDATION HAS BEEN FOR VAL IN SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATION.

WHY?

>> YOU KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL IMPORTANT PARTSES OF BILL AS IT RELATES TO THE GUIDANCE AND THE ISSUE WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE.

THESE ARE JUST VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROVISIONS.

BROADLY SUPPORTED THAT SIMPLY SAY THAT WE SHOULDN'T TEACH CHILDREN IN K-5 HUMAN SEXUALITY OR A SEX EDUCATION TOPICS NOT APPROPRIATE AT ALL.

AND IF THEY ARE TAUGHT IN GRADE SIX AND ABOVE PARENTS NEED THE ABILITY TO REVIEW AND OPT-IN.

AND THEN ALSO AN IMPORTANT PROTECTION THAT SAYS WE ARE THAT IN FAVOR OF INDOCTRINATING OUR CHILDREN ON RADICAL IDEOLOGY AT ANY GRADE LEVEL.

THESE ARE IMPORTANT PROTECTIONS.

WE KNOW UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE TOPICS HAVE BEEN TAUGHT IN AGE INAPPROPRIATE WAYS IN SCHOOLS.

THESE PROVISIONS ARE AGE APPROPRIATE PROTECTIONS FOR KIDS THAT EMPOWER PARENTS.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE TO INSURE THIS LAW IS FOLLOWED AND THAT SCHOOLS ARE ENCOURAGED TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND WHY WE HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGING OUR ADVOCATES TO CONTACT COMMISSIONER GLASS AND CONTACT THE GOVERNOR, CONTACT THE KED TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DROP THIS GUIDANCE AND WE'VE HAD 20,000 MESSAGES SENT.

THIS ISSUE IS RESONATING WITH PEOPLE ACROSS KENTUCKY TO SEE THE LAW FOLLOWED.

>> Renee: THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE WHEN IT COMES TO DISCUSSION OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES AND EVEN AS FAR AS HELPING YOUNG GIRLS UNDERSTAND THE BIOLOGICAL CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING TO THEIR BODY WHEN IT COMES TO MENSTRUATION.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IS TOO FAR?

IS THAT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE FAMILY FOUNDATION WOULD SUPPORT?

>> SO IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN SEXUALITY, SOMETIMES SEX EDUCATION TOPICS AGAIN, SB150, JUST SAYS THAT THOSE TOPICS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

LEAVE THOSE DECISIONS UP TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN GRADES 6-12 BUT REQUIRES THAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET AN AFFIRMATIVE OPT-IN FROM PARENTS.

SO I THINK THAT IS A WELL-BALANCED FRAMEWORK FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN KENTUCKY.

AND SO I THINK IT WOULD ALLOW LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE TAUGHT.

BUT INSURE THAT PARENTS ARE INFORMED AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SAY.

>> Renee: DAVID WALLS THANK YOU FROM THE FAMILY FOUNDATION.

WE APPRECIATE A FEW MOMENTS OF YOUR TIME.

>> RENEE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AS ALWAYS TO TALK WITH YOU.

>> Renee: Mr. HARTMAN, I WANT TO ASK YOU BECAUSE IT SEEMED THAT PERHAPS Mr.

WALLS INTIMATED THERE WERE ATTORNEYS PART OF THE FAIRNESS CAMPAIGN OR BAN CONVERSION THERAPY WHO WERE COLLUDING WITH THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION ATTORNEYS TO FIND OBJECTIONABLE LANGUAGE TO ISSUE THIS GUIDANCE.

CAN YOU SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT THERE?

>> I'VE NEVER SPOKEN WITH COMMISSIONER GLASS NO ONE ON OUR BOARD HAS TO MY KNOWLEDGE I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN IN THE SAME ROOM.

YOU DON'T NEED AN ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT THE VERBIAGE OF THE LAW AND SEE THAT IS STATES EITHER OR.

>> Renee: Mr. NELSON?

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL COURT RULINGS THAT ADDRESS THIS TOPIC.

THERE'S AT LEAST FIVE IN KENTUCKY.

I'M LOOKING AT COMMONWEALTH V BAR THOL MIEUX.

IT SAID WHEN NECESSARY TO EFFECTIVE OBVIOUS INTENTIONS OF THE LEGISLATURE CONSTRUCTION WORDS CAN BE CON TRUED AS CON VERSIVE.

AND AND IN THE STATUTE SHOULD BE WHEN NECESSARY TO EFFECTIVE OBVIOUS LEGISLATIVE INTENT.

I THINK THAT IF THE KED ATTORNEYS DID THAT THEY WOULD HAVE NOT REVISED THEIR GUIDANCE THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT THE ORIGINAL GUIDANCE THEY LEFT GAVE OUT ON APRIL 17TH IN PLACE.

IF WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IF THEY STAYED WITH THE ORIGINAL GUIDANCE AND LET THE LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD ATTORNEYS TO FIGURE IT OUT.

IT'S NOT HELPING ANYBODY.

IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THE LEGISLATURE IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE, PASSED THIS BILL INTO LAW.

>> BUT THAT IS NOT WITH SUPER MAJORITIES.

>> IT WAS EVENTUALLY, WHEN GOVERNOR BESHEAR VETOED IT WAS OVERRYDEN.

PARENTS WERE DEEPLY CONCERNED WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> AGE INAPPROPRIATE CURRICULUM, BATHROOM POLICIES CONFUSING THAT SHOULD HAVE NO PART OF THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION'S MISSION.

WE ARE LAGGING BEHIND IN EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT, THE FOUNDATION ISSUED ITS REPORT RECENTLY, WHAT 69% OF FOURTH GRADERS ARE NOT READING TO GRADE LEVEL.

I BELIEVE IT'S 79% OF 8 GRADERS ARE NOT AT GRADE LEVEL IN MATH.

WE NEED TO FOCUS ON PACICSISM THEY ARE SEEKING JUSTIFICATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT ON A GRAMMATICAL ERROR.

>> HOW IS THIS HATE?

>> SENATOR WISE I WANT TO COME TO YOU THERE ARE MANY WHO SAY THAT THESE TYPES OF BILLS THAT HAVE CIRCULATED THROUGH MANY GENERAL ASSEMBLIES HAVE COME FROM GROUPS CONSERVATIVE GROUPS LIKE ALEC THEY ARE FILL IN THE BLANK PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT ARE NOT DRIVEN PERHAPS BY CONSTITUENT CONCERN.

ANSWER THAT FOR US, IF YOU WILL.

>> WHEN I FIRST DRAFTED THE SENATE BILL I HAD THE WORK OF MYSELF AND OUR SENATE EDUCATION POLICY ADVISER AND THE BILL DRAFTER.

WE PASSED SENATE BILL 150 AND IT BECAME A COPY THAT OTHER STATES ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WE DID.

WE MADE AN OMNIBUS BILL.

IT'S FRAMED AS THE MOST HATEFUL BILL, BUT IT ALSO WAS THE STRONGEST BILL FOR COMMUNICATION, IT WAS THE BILL TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND IT WAS A BILL TO ULTIMATELY SHOW WHERE WE STAND IN TERMS OF PARENTAL RIGHTS IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY.

SO I DID NOT PERSONALLY WORK WITH ANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU MENTIONED JUST THEN.

HOUSE COMMITTEE SUBONE WAS PUT FORTH THOSE WERE LEGISLATORS THAT HAD THEIR OWN BILL.

I WILL NOT COMMENT ON BEHALF OF THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ON THE SHOW.

AND WHEN THAT WAS PUT FORTH I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY MAY HAVE WORKED WITH.

A LOT OF THOSE BILLS AND WE'VE SAID TONIGHT, BATHROOM BILL, EMBREE WHO WORKED ON THAT YEARS AGO IN THE LEGISLATIVE CHAMBERS.

WESLEY PUT HIS BILL IN NOVEMBER THAT DEALT WITH BATHROOM PRIVACY AND REPRESENTATIVE DENGERS AND REPRESENTATIVE BAKER'S WAS INTRODUCED IN JANUARY.

THESE BILLS WERE OUT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE AND FOLLOW.

I DID NOT HAVE LOBBYISTS REPRESENTING THE LGBTQ COME AND TALK TO ME ABOUT SENATE BILL 150 IN ITS INITIAL STAGE.

I HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY.

I'VE HAD CONSTITUENTS AND OTHER ACTIVISTS THEY CAME TO MY OFFICE.

BUT THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE LOBBYIST IN TERMS OF THOSE ISSUES IN SENATE BILL 150 THAT EVER CAME TO ME TO TALK ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

>> Renee: DID YOU OR ANYONE ALIGN WITH YOUR GROUP TRY TO TALK TO SENATOR WISE.

>> OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR WAS IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM.

HE IS LYING WHEN HE SAYS WE DID NOT COME TO HIM TO TALK ABOUT THAT BILL.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOMETHING Mr. NELSON SAID WHEN ASKED IN WHAT WAY IS THIS BILL HATEFUL?

THE REALITY IS THIS GROUPS ARE MAKING EFFORTS TO CONFLATE LGBTQ IDENTITY WITH SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONTENT.

THAT IS UNTRUE.

I THINK THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS PANEL AGREES THAT SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONSENT SHOULD NOT BE IN OUR SCHOOLS WHETHER IT'S GAY, STRAIGHT, LESBIAN.

THE REALITY IS I SUBMITTED WRITTEN TESTIMONY ON BEHALF OF BAN CONVERSION THERAPY KENTUCKY, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS FAIR AS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER AND PARENT THAT WE DO SOMETHING IDENTITY AND VIEWPOINT NEUTRAL TO REMOVE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT TERRIBLES IN OUR SCHOOL.

THERE IS NO TO SUGGEST THAT OUR LIVES AND EXISTENCE DISCUSSION OF WHICH IS INAPPROPRIATE.

JUST TO TRY TO KNOCKOUT SEXUAL CONTENTED.

AND BY THE WAY I POINT OUT ANY BILL PROVISION IS LIKELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL THANKS TO EXISTING SUPREME COURT CASE LAW.

BROCK KET VERSUS SPOKE AN OF 1985.

WHEN GROUPS LIKE THE COMMONWEALTH POLICY CENTER AND THE FAMILY FOUNDATION TELL LEGISLATORS THEY CAN WRITE BILLS THIS WAY THEY ARE IGNORING FEDERAL EXISTING LAW.

THEY HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LYING BEFORE AND THIS TIME IT HAS THE EFFECT OF DISCREDITED OUR ASSEMBLY BY FORCING THEM INTO A CONSTITUTIONAL FIGHT THAT THEY WILL NOT WIN.

>> Renee: THIS COMMENT FROM LOUISVILLE, MY SON COMMITTED SUICIDE DIED MY SUICIDE SICK MONTHS AGO.

BEFORE WE GOT HOME FROM THE FUNERAL WE WERE RECEIVING HATE MAIL OVER HIS STATUS OF TRANS.

IT'S TO DEMONIZE THE GROUP.

TALKING ABOUT RIGHTS AND POLITICIZATION OF AN ISSUE IS IRONIC.

SENATOR MAX WISE A RESPONSE TO THAT COMMENT FROM A LOUISVILLE VIEWER AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU CARE TO MAKE?

>> WELL, RENEE, I WILL SAY ANYTIME ANY YOUTH COMMITS SUICIDE WE'RE SEEING THE RISE IN SUICIDE AND THAT HAS BEEN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

WE WORKED ON SCHOOL SAFETY BILL AND LOOKED AT THE RISE OF SUICIDE OVER THE LAST FIVE, 10, PLUS YEARS IT IS A CONCERN AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO FOLKS ON SCHOOL SAFETY FUNDING THAT CAN LOOK AT ISSUES SUCH AS THIS.

AND WE HAVE A RISE OF SOCIAL MEDIA BULLYING AND SOCIETAL PROBLEMS THAT RELATE TO PHYSICAL AND SITUATIONS INVOLVING THE HOME.

I THINK WE CAN'T PUT ONE ISSUE AND SAY THIS IS THE REASON.

THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

MY HEARTBREAKS FROM ANY FAMILY LOSES A CHILD FROM SUICIDE OR DEATH.

>> THE REALITY IS THEY JUST DON'T CARE AND SENATOR WISE STOPPED CARING WHEN HE RAN FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

THEY GOT A MISERABLE THIRD PLACE IN THE RACE AND NOW THE WORST ANTI-TRANS LAW IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THAT IS INEVITABLY GOING TO LEAD TO HIGHER DEPRESSION AND SUICIDE RATES AMONGST OUR TRANSGENDER KIDS IN KENTUCKY AND ONCE AGAIN THEY COULD NOT CARELESS.

>> Renee: Mr. NELSON?

>> THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO IMPUTE MOTIVES.

THERE ARE OTHER -- THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHERS I WILL FINISH IF YOU LET ME.

WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING PARENTAL RIGHTS.

PARENTS.

>> I KNOW YOU'RE NOT.

>> PARENTS ARE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN THEIR SCHOOLS THIS IS PART OF SENATE BILL 150 DOES IT REQUIRES THEY ARE FULLY INFORMED AND THAT THE CHILD CAN OPT-OUT.

IF THEY OBJECT TO THAT.

WE ARE ALSO MISSING THE BIG POINT OF AGE APPROPRIATENESS.

WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO TEACH THE DIFFERENT AGES?

I THINK RENEE, ON THE LAST PROGRAM WE DID WE TALKED ABOUT A CONTROVERSIAL BOOK THAT WAS IN ONE OF THE LOUISVILLE SCHOOLS.

AND YOU ASKED ME TO READ A DESCRIPTION AND I WAS EMBARRASSED TO READ IT.

IT WAS PORNOGRAPHIC.

IT WAS OBSCENE.

PARENTS OBJECTED TO IT BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD ALLOWED IT TO CONTINUE.

I DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT IS AGE APPROPRIATE THAT I CAN SHARE ON THE PROGRAM AND THIS WAS FROM A LINK ON THE KED'S GUIDANCE LAST SUMMER AND THIS IS THE GENDER BREAD PERSON.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SHOW IT.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE GINGERBREAD MAN.

WHERE THE BRAIN'S IDENTITY IT TEACHES ATTRACTION OF THE HEART AND THEN SEX.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GEARED TOWARDS HIGH SCHOOLERS OR MIDDLE SCHOOLERS THIS IS KINDERGARTEN AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS AND THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT PARENTS OBJECT TO.

THEY ARE SAYING LOOK MY FIVE-YEAR-OLD AND SIX-YEAR-OLD AND SEVEN-YEAR-OLD THEY DON'T NEED THAT TAUGHT.

PLEASE TEACH THEM FONNICS AND HOW TO WRITE.

HOW TO READ THAT KIND OF THING THEY DO NOT WANT THIS TAUGHT.

NOR DO THEY WANT GENDER IDEOLOGY OR SEXUAL OTH ORIENTATION PROMON IN THE SCHOOLS AND THAT IS WHAT SENATE BILL ADDRESSES.

>> Renee: SENATOR WISE?

>> I AM GOING BACK TO THE COMMENT THAT Mr. HARTMAN MADE ABOUT ME WAS RUNNING WITH KELLY CRAFT THAT IS ABSURD.

ONCE AGAIN, I WORKED WITH THE BILL DRAFTERS WAY BEFORE THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF ME COMING OUT AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

I WILL SAY THIS... ALL THE CANDIDATES OUT THERE ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES ON THE REPUBLICAN TICKET.

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT, CHRIS.

THAT ARE THE ISSUES.

ALLOWING CURRICULUM TRANSPARENCY AND TO NOT HAVE KINDERGARTEN-5 GRADERS TALKING ABOUT STD, SEXUAL OTHER JENTATION.

THESE THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW ON THE WAVE OF OUR COUNTRY.

AND PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.

AND I THINK IT IS AN ISSUE I SUPPORT DANIEL CAMERON RUNNING IN NOVEMBER WHO I HOPE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO TAKE ON THE CHARGE OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE BROUGHT OUT AS WELL AS THE OTHER CANDIDATES ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

>> .

>> MAX WHAT DID YOUR RUNNING MATE MEAN UNDER A CRAFT ADMINISTRATION THERE WILL BE NO TRENDS IN KENTUCKY SCHOOLS.

>> THAT WAS HER COMMENT NOT MINE.

IT WAS AN OVERSTATEMENT.

>> WHACHES THE CRAFT WISE PLAN TO ACHIEVE THAT AIM?

>> SENATE BILL 150 WAS LOOKING AT TRAN GENDER CURRICULUM AND AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS IN TERMS OF PARENTAL RIGHTS AND GETTING BACK TO TEACHING.

READING, WRITING AND ARITHMETIC NOT POLICIES BEING PUSHED DOWN CERTAIN PEOPLE THEY ARE NOT FOR IT.

LOOK AT OUR COUNTRY.

PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO GO ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS GOING TO A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL GAME THEY HAVE TO -- LA DODGERS THERE ARE THINGS HAPPENING WITH OUR GENERAL SOCIETY THAT THE PUBLIC SAYS THAT IS NOT US.

AND THAT IS GOING TO BE A TALKING POINT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THERE.

>> MAX COSIGNED THE STATEMENTS AS A PARTY TO THAT TICKET.

HE REFUSED TO REFUTE THAT TYPE OF ERADICATION TALK THERE WILL BE NO TRANSGENDER KIDS IN A CRAFT-WISE ADMINISTRATION.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THIS?

THAT IS THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT TRANS KIDS ARE HEARING AND THE DEPRESSION IS INCREASING AND SELF HARM AND SUICIDAL IDEATION INCREASES WHEN THE POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE STATE SAY THINGS YOU HAVE NO PLACE IN KENTUCKY SCHOOLS AND WE WILL MAKE CERTAIN IS YOU ARE NOT THERE.

>> Renee: SENATOR MAX WISE NOT ALL OF THOSE WHO IDENTIFY AS REPUBLICAN FEEL AS PERHAPS YOU AND YOUR FORMER RUNNING MATE FELT.

WE DO KNOW THAT FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE BOB WHO WAS AS LOBBYIST FOR THE FAIRNESS CAMPAIGN GAVE A IMPASSIONED PLEA NOT TO PASS SENATE BILL 150 AND A FORMER REPRESENTATIVE JERRY MILLER A CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE STATE GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE ALSO TALKED ABOUT HIS GRANDCHILD IDENTIFYING AS TRANSGENDER.

AND COMPELLING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO NOT PROCEED WITH SENATE BILL 150.

NOT ALL REPUBLICANS PERHAPS FEEL THE WAY SOME WHO WERE RUNNING FOR THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION FEEL.

IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT?

>> IF TERMS OF THE ONES THAT BROUGHT TO THE TABLE TO TESTIFY THEY HAD THEIR VIEWS.

AND 76 REPRESENTATIVES VOTED FOR THAT THERE WAS BIPARTISANSHIP AND A DEMOCRAT CROSSED THE AISLE.

YOU HAD 29 STATE SENATORS 105, VOTED FOR IT AND ALSO OVERRODE THE GOVERNOR'S VETO.

IT SHOWS IN TERMS OF A SUPER MAJORITY THAT LISTENS TO CONSTITUENTS AND WORK FOR THEIR DISTRICTS THEY LISTENED AND VOTED THAT WAY.

>> Renee: REBECCA BLANKENSHIP WHEN YOU HEAR HIGH NUMBER BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT FOR THE MEASURES THAT IS WHERE KENTUCKY IS TRENDING.

THE POSITIONS THAT YOU ARE ESPOUSING OUT OF STEP WITH THE MAJORITY OF KENTUCKIANS.

>> THE OPPOSITE.

THE POLLS WE'VE SEEN ON THE ISSUES THAT SURVEY REGULAR KENTUCKY VOTERS MOST DO NOT BUY INTO THE HATEFUL RHETORIC AND ATTITUDES.

THE FACT THAT THE SUPER MAJORITIES CAN STRONG ARM CAUCUSES BY HOLDING BILLS HOSTAGE AND THREATENING NOT TO FUND PROJECTS, THE FACT THAT PRODUCES THE OVERWHELMING VOTES I DON'T THINK THAT IS SURPRISING.

WHAT I THINK IS SURPRISING WE END UP WITH BILLS AS POORLY WRITTEN LIKE ONES LIKE THIS.

THAT HAVE THE EFFECT OF TARGETING EVERYBODY IN KENTUCKY NOT JUST LGBTQ PEOPLE THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS AFTER.

GUESS WHAT?

IF WE PROHIBIT ALL DISCUSSION OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION IT IS NOT JUST GAY PEOPLE THAT GET HIT BY THAT.

WE ARE SEE BANS ON CHURCH GROUPS COMING IN TO TALK ABOUT SEX AND MARRIAGE WITH STUDENT GROUPS.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE BANS OF THE BIBLE.

EVERY REPUBLICAN IN KENTUCKY BETTER PRAY THIS BILL IS NOT IMPLEMENTED THEY FOLLOW THE KED'S GUIDANCE IN EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THIS STATE BECAUSE REALITY IS THESE FOLKS HAVE BANNED TALKING ABOUT NORMAL THINGS IN THE QUEST TO SUPPRESS LGBTQ RIGHTS.

>> Renee: I WANT TO GET THAT PERSPECTIVE FROM SENATOR WISE.

SHE MENTIONED WHERE THIS INTERPRETATION COULD GO WHEN IT COMES TO PRO LIVE GROUPS AND GROUPS CURRY FAVOR WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IS NOT THE INTENT OF SENATE BILL 150, IS IT?

>> NO, NOT AT ALL.

WE LAID OUT WHAT WAS STATED IN SENATE BILL 150.

I GO BACK AGAIN PEOPLE WANT TO GET BACK TO EDUCATION.

THEY WANT TO KEEP ISSUES LIKE THIS OUT OF ESPECIALLY K-5 AND 6-12 TALKING ABOUT THIS AND GIVE THE PARENTS THE RIGHT TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL AND GET BACK TO EDUCATION.

RICHARD CITED NUMBERS IN TERMS WHERE WE ARE WITH TESTING.

GET BACK TO THE BASICS.

AND I WILL SAY THIS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING I CAN'T SAY WHAT THE NEXT SESSION IS GOING TO BRING.

IN IT WAS JUST CHANGING THIS THAT IS AN EASY FIX WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

IN MATERIALS OF OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE CREEPING IN AND LOOKING AT WE'LL SEE WHAT THE SUPER MAJORITY HAS TO DEAL WITH COME JANUARY.

>> Renee: THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

SOME SOME WONDERED WHAT IS NEXT AND HOW MUCH FURTHER WILL THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY GO WHEN IT COMES TO THESE ISSUES.

ARE THERE MEASURES THAT WERE PART OF 470, HOUSE BILL 470 THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN 150 THAT YOU SEE HAVING LEVERAGE AND SOME GRAVITY FOR NEXT YEAR'S SESSION?

ARE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ALREADY UNDERWAY TO TAKE THIS FURTHER THAN IT IS NOW?

>> I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH OUR HOUSE AND SENATE MAJORITY LEADERS TO LOOK AT THE INTERIM AND FOCUS ON POLICY ISSUES.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE FACING AS KENTUCKIANS.

ISSUES THAT DEAL WITH THE FLOODING AND TORNADOES IN TERMS OF REIMBURSEMENT AND GETTING US BACK WITH BROADBAND TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY AREA OF KENTUCKY HAS THAT.

I TALKED ABOUT SCHOOL SAFETY.

I CAN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY IF 470 OR THE OTHER BILLS WHAT IS GOING TO COME ABOUT.

EVERY LEGISLATOR HAD THE PRIORITY TO FILE WHATEVER LEGISLATION THEY THINK IS A PRIORITY FOR THEM AND THEIR DISTRICTS.

I CANNOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OTHER REPRESENTATIVES OR SENATORS BUT WE HAVE A HOST OF ISSUES WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON.

IT GETS BACK TO WHAT IS THE PUBLIC DEMAND AND WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE'RE HEARING.

TRAVELING ACROSS THE STATE THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TERMS OF SENATE BILL 150 ARE PLEASED SEEING THAT WE'RE PROTECTING OUR KENTUCKY CHILDREN.

>> Renee: REBECCA BLANKENSHIP WHAT DOES THIS DO TO YOUR CAUSE TO BAN CONVERSION THERAPY WHICH HAD MORE DISCUSSION A FEW YEARS AGO, HAD A SPONSOR WHO IS NO LONGER IN THE SENATE.

ARE YOU PESSIMISTIC OF THAT GETTING TRACTION IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLIES TO COME?

>> QUITE THE OPPOSITE WE SAW MORE DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR.

BECAUSE FAMILIES HAVING HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY BANNED ARE FACING DIFFICULT CHOICES.

EARLIER DRAFT OF HOUSE BILL 470 WOULD HAVE REQUIRED CONVERSION THERAPY FOR KIDS THAT IDENTIFY AS TRANS.

TO SEE THAT CONFRONTED MORE DIRECTLY WAS IMPORTANT.

WE ALSO SAW PEOPLE LIKE Dr. VAN MALL A NOTED CONVERSION THERAPIST COMING TO KENTUCKY TO TESTIFY IN FAVOR OF THIS LEGISLATION.

WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT THE ISSUE IS BECOMING FRONT AND CENTER AND I CONTINUE TO LEAVE THAT MORE REPUBLICANS THAN NOT VIEW THAT TYPE OF PRACTICE AS HAIN NOWS AND UNFAIR.

THE UTAH PROVIDES A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF THE PATH FORWARD.

THEY PASSED A BAN ON GENDER AFFIRMING HEALTHCARE.

SO I DON'T THINK THOSE THINGS ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

AND I HOPE THE KENTUCKY LEGISLATURE WILL VIEW THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO RIGHT BY THE KIDS THAT THEY HURT SO MUCH THIS YEAR.

>> Renee: I WANT TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE Mr. NELSON DO YOU SEE THOSE AS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ISSUES?

>> WELL, I THINK SEXUAL ORIENTATION, CHANGE EFFORTS THAT THE IS ANOTHER ISSUE.

I WANT TO GET BACK TO SOMETHING MORE FOUNDATIONAL.

I THINK THERE IS A CONFLATION OF POLICY THAT IS AGE APPROPRIATE THAT AFFIRMS PARENTAL RIGHTS BEING INTERPRETED AS BEING AGAINST LGBTQ YOUTH.

I THINK THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE OF GOODWILL WHO DISAGREE AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

WHEN IT COMES TO GENDER IDENTITY, WHEN IT COMES TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION CURRICULUM.

AND WHEN YOU CONFLATE THE TWO, YOU'RE VILLAINIZING THOSE AND IT'S BEEN HERE, VILLAINIZE THOSE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THIS.

THIS IS NOT HELPFUL TO THE CONVERSATION.

I THINK I CAN AFFIRM SOMEBODY WHO IS A YOUTH LGBTQ IDENTIFIED I CAN AFFIRM THEM BEFORE THEM AND I WILL SAY I THINK IN THE ORIGINAL GUIDANCE AT THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAD LAST YEAR, PART OF THEIR IMPETUS WAS TO AFFIRM LGBTQ YOUTH AND TO PROVIDE A SAFE PLACE FOR THEM.

I CAN BE FOR THAT.

BUT I DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH HOW WE GET THERE.

AND IN FACT WHEN IT COMES TO GENDER DISFORIC YOUTH, THE MOST LOVING THING YOU CAN DO IS HELP THEM ALIGN WITH THE BORN BIOLOGICAL SEX.

IT IS NOT TO GIVE THEM HORMONE THERAPY.

IT IS NOT TO GIVE THEM TO STEER THEM TOWARDS TRANSITION SURGERY.

AND HERE IS SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO MENTION THERE WAS NEWS DURING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION THERE IS A GENDER CLINIC FOR YOUTH IN BOLLING GREEN OPENING UP.

VANDERBILT NOT FAR FROM BOLLING GREEN HAS A YENDER CLINIC FOR YOUTH THEY HAVE CLOSED BECAUSE OF THE BLOWBACK AS TO WHAT THEY WERE DOING THERE.

THAT AMOUNTS TO EXPERIMENTATION UNTESTED EXPERIMENTATION ON YOUTH THAT IS WHY EUROPE IS ROLLING BACK.

I BELIEVE IT'S FINLAND, SWEDEN, ENGLAND, THEY ARE PUTTING A HALT TO GENDER TRANSITION SURGERY AND PUBERTY BLOCKERS FOR MINORS BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS.

>> THAT IS NOT TRUE.

>> WE HAD TESTIMONY IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO THAT EFFECT.

>> THE IDEA THE TREATMENTS ARE EXPERIMENT TALL IS OUT RIGHT LIE.

THE FIRST SURGERY WAS HELD IN 1922.

HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY BEGAN IN THE 1930s.

IT WAS IN THE 1980s THAT TRANS YOUTH BEGAN TO RECEIVE PUBERTY BLOCKERS AND 90s THEY BECAME ELIGIBLE FOR HORMONE REPLACEMENT THIRP THERAPY.

HE ARE IGNORING A CENTURY OF DATA THAT PROVES THEY ARE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE AND SAFE.

AND YOU ARE INVALIDATING THE LIFE EXPERIENCES OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INCLUDING KENTUCKIANS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED THESE TREATMENTS AND SEEN THEIR LIVES IMPROVED AS A RESULT.

AND IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY PRODUCE EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS A NEGATIVE PRACTICE, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND A KENTUCKIANS TO TESTIFY TO THAT EFFECT.

BUT INSTEAD YOU HAD TO FLY PEOPLE FROM NEBRASKA AND BRING PEOPLE UNDER THE ZOOMS FROM CALIFORNIA WHO WERE PSEUDO DOCTORS.

IT'S OFFENSIVE TO HEAR YOU LIE ABOUT THESE THINGS.

AND THE REALITY IS THIS...

WHEN YOU HAVE TO BRING IN A CONVERSION THERAPIST, SOMEBODY WHO ADVOCATES TOTALLY DISCREDITED PRACTICE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE LIKE ELLIS AND SIGMUND FREUD WERE FINDING TO BE A FAILURE IT SHOWS THE LENGTHS YOU ARE WILLING TO GO TO TO IGNORE SCIENCE IN PURSUIT OF IDEOLOGICAL DEVASTATION OF PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE.

JOHNS HOPKINS WAS A PIONEER IN GENDER TRANSITION FOR MINORS AND FOR ADULTS.

AND THEY PUT A HALT TO IT AFTER THEY DISCOVERED THE HARM IT WAS CAUSING.

PAUL McCUE, THE PSYCHIATRIST IN CHIEF THERE IN AN OP-ED NOT TOO LONG AGO, IT IS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

BUT ESSENTIALLY CALLED IT CLOSE TO ABUSE WHEN CHILDREN UNDER THE AIMING OF 18 ARE PUSHED TOWARDS TRANSITION.

>> JOHNS HOPKINS CONTINUE TO PROVIDE GENDER AFFIRMING CARE.

>> THE TESTIMONY FROM OTHER STATES PEOPLE WERE AFRAID TO TESTIFY IN KENTUCKY THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE SINGLED OUT.

SOME WERE AFRAID TO LOSE THEIR JOBS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE BULLIED.

THE HEARINGS WERE FILLED WITH PEOPLE AGAINST 150.

VERY FEW PEOPLE FROM KENTUCKY WERE LOOKING TO SPEAK AGAINST IT.

SHE TRANSITIONED FROM 16, HAD A DOUBLE MASTECTOMY AND GIVEN HIGH DOSES OF TESS TOES RON TESTOSTERONE.

SHE IS SUFFERING TERRIBLELY FROM THAT TREATMENT.

>> Renee: Mr. HARTMAN?

>> SO MUCH THERE.

LET ME SAY THIS THE CONSENSUS AMONG KENTUCKIANS IS CLEAR FROM THE ONLY POLL DONE WHICH WAS A MASON DIXON POLL SHOWED 71% OF KENTUCKY VOTERS OPPOSED THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY LIMITING PARENTS AND CHILDREN'S ACCESS TO THIS MEDICALLY NECESSARY AND SUPPORTED BY EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL ASSOCIATION CARE.

AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SO FIXATED ON THIS.

SUCH A SMALL POPULATION IN THE AMcDISCUSS BRIEF FILED BY THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS THEY ESTIMATE ONLY 140,000 LGBTQ OR TRANSGENDER KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF 18 ARE ELIGIBLE FOR PUBERTY BLOCKING THERAPY.

YOU CAN FIT THE ENTIRE POPULATION IN CHURCHILL DOWNS ON KENTUCKY DERBY DAY.

YET THEY HAVE ACTED LIKE THIS IS THE MOST PRESSING ISSUE IN CONSERVATIVE POLITICS.

WHY THE FOCUS, THE SCRUTINY ON SUCH A SMALL POPULATION SIMPLY TO GAIN CHEAP POLITICAL POINTS.

>> Renee: I WANT TO ASK MAX WISE THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A RESPONSE THAT CAME IN FROM A LEXINGTON RUE VOOER THAT ASKED WHY ARE WE SPENDING SO MUCH TIME AND MONEY ON THIS WHEN KENTUCKY FACES MORE SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

ANSWER THAT QUESTION ALONG WITH THE RESPONSE COMMENTS FROM Mr. HARTMAN?

>> ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE LEGISLATURE BEFORE.

IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING?

SENATE BILL 150 A MAJORITY OF THAT BILLS PREVIOUSLY FILED IN PREVIOUS SESSIONS AND THIS WAS JUST PART OF A SESSION OF WHERE IT BECAME A FOREFRONT ISSUE.

IT WAS THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WE LISTEN TO OUR DISTRICTS TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND OUR BASE.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'M A FATHER OF FOUR CHILDREN TWO BOYS TWO GIRLS.

AND WHERE I LIVE FROM THE PSYCHIATRIST TRICK I REPRESENT STANDING UP FOR BATHROOM POLICY, AND PARENTAL RIGHTS AND CURRICULUM TRANSPARENCY, I HEAR THAT SO MUCH FROM SO MANY AND THAT IS WHY YOU SAW BIPARTISAN ON THE BILL AND THE NUMBERS THE WAY IT IS.

AND I WOULD REFER BACK TO THE POLL THAT CHRIS MENTIONED HE IS CORRECT THAT WAS A MASON DIXON POLL BUT I DON'T THINK THAT CORRECTLY SAID THOSE WERE LIKELY VOTERS IN THAT POLL.

THOSE WERE REGISTERED.

DID IT SAY LIKELY VOTERS WHO WERE GOING TO VOTE OR NOT?

BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE.

THAT IS STILL GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE TO EVERYONE ON THE PANEL TONIGHT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS GOVERNOR'S ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.

THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY.

I THINK FAMILIES ACROSS KENTUCKY, I THINK FAMILIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES AND WE'LL SEE WHO IS THERE WITH THE BASE IT WILL COME OUT.

>> Renee: SENATOR WISE, THIS TWEET FROM HARRIET IN LOUISVILLE ASKS AS THE TEACHING SEXUAL HEALTH IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DO THOSE WHO FAVOR SENATE BILL 150, GIRLS MAY MENSTRUATE BEFORE 10.

WHAT ABOUT LESSONS ABOUT BAD TOUCH?

>> IN THE TERMS WITH CHILD ABUSE AND LAWS AND THINGS FORTH WITH GUIDANCE ARE THERE AND OUR PROGRAMS WITHIN OUR SCHOOLS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY IS ALREADY THERE.

THESE ARE THINGS WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY AS WE GO FORTH.

>> Renee: THANK YOU, SENATOR WISE.

I WILL ALLOW A QUICK RESPONSE REBECCA BLANKENSHIP A FINAL COUPLE OF WORDS BEFORE WE END TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION.

>> IS THE REALITY IS THIS WILL BE LITIGATED IN THE COURTS.

AND YOU KNOW IN THE SIXTH CIRCUIT WE HAVE PRECEDENT PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF LGBTQ PEOPLE INCLUDING CASES LIKE DODDS VER SUGGESTION THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF 2015 AND THE DECISION THAT QUOTED THAT OPINION AND SAYING TRANSGENDER RIGHTS ARE WELL ESTABLISHED.

MY HOPE IS THAT THE COURTS WILL SHOW THE SAME DEFERENCE TO HUMAN RIGHTS THAT THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY OUGHT TO HAVE.

>> Mr. NELSON?

>> YES.

IT'S INTERESTING CHRIS MENTIONED THAT WHY WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE KIDS IT'S BECAUSE THESE ARE PERMANENT CHOICES THAT WILL AFFECT THEM THE REST OF THEIR LIVES AND IT'S WORTH ADVOCATING ON THEIR HALF.

CHILDREN CANNOT APPRECIATE DOING A GENDER TRANSITION OR HAVING SURGE RALE INTERVENTION.

THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS SHOULD FOCUS ON ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE AND ROOT OUT DIVISIVENESS LIKE GENDER IDENTIFY PROGRAMS AND INVITE PARENTS INTO THE EDUCATIONAL FORMATION PROCESS AND RESPECT THEIR RIGHTS.

>> Renee: I HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS DISCUSSION.

SENATOR THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU FOR BEING IN THE STUDIO.

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