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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," DETAILS ON A JUDGE'S RULING THAT THE STATE'S SCHOOL FACILITY FUNDING SYSTEM IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, A PILOT PROGRAM LOOKS TO HELP OLDER ADULTS WITH DEMENTIA WHO LIVE ALONE.

>>> AND A NEW ART EXHIBIT FEATURES THE WORKS OF A MOTHER AND DAUGHTER UNITED BY A SHARED DEVOTION TO TRANSFORMATION.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

EARLIER THIS MONTH, MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERIOR JUDGE DEWAIN FOX ISSUED A FINAL JUDGMENT THAT REQUIRES THE STATE TO ESTABLISH A SYSTEM FOR FUNDING SCHOOL FACILITIES THAT ENSURES THAT SCHOOLS MEET THE, QUOTE, MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR STUDENT TO HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO LEARN.

FOR MORE ON THE RULING WE WELCOME JIMMY ARWOOD FROM THE ARIZONA SCHOOL BOARD'S ASSOCIATION.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS, TED, GOOD TO BE HERE.

TED: THIS IS THE SCHOOL FUNDING FACILITY SYSTEM, CORRECT?

>> CENT.

TED: FIRST OF ALL, HOW DOES THAT SYSTEM WORK.

>> GREAT QUESTION.

CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE IN ARIZONA IS A GRANT-BASED SYSTEM.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE TO,A PLY TO THE SCHOOL FACILITIES DIVISION AT THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION AND RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR GRANTS FOR THERE.

TED: IT SOUNDS CONVOLUTED, SOUNDS REAL CONVOLUTED IF YOU ARE A RURAL DISTRICT, FARTHER OUT YOU ARE, THE HARDER IT IS, CORRECT?

>> MINIMAL STAFF TO COVER KIDS AND ALSO COVER THE SCHOOL AS WELL.

TED: THE BASIC SYSTEM AS IT STANDS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, WHY?

>> YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.

SO THE STATE HAS, FOR A VERY LONG TIME, NOT FUNDED SCHOOL FACILITIES SINCE THE 90s.

IN THE LATE 90s, THERE WAS THE ROOSEVELT CASE DECISION THAT BASICALLY SAID WE ARE RELYING WAY TOO MUCH ON TAXPAYERS AT THE LOCAL PROPERTY LEVEL, INSTEAD OF CREATING A SYSTEM OF PARITY.

WE WANT EVERY SCHOOL TO HAVE A UNIFORM SYSTEM OF FUNDING, THAT'S WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS AND ULTIMATELY WHAT THE LEGISLATURE AND OUR STATE VIOLATED.

TED: VIOLATED TO THE POINT THAT, ACCORDING TO THE JUDGE, THE KIDS AREN'T GETTING -- BASICALLY SAYING EQUIPMENT AND BUILDINGS ARE FALLING APART.

>> ABSOLUTELY, YES.

WE HAVE ROOFS THAT ARE LEAKING.

WE HAVE SEEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT GO TEN YEARS WITHOUT POTABLE WATER.

THESE AREN'T THINGS THAT SHOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IN ARIZONA OR ANYWHERE.

TED: AND FALLING APART, THE POTABLE WATER, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS ON AN UNEQUAL BASIS?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

THEY'RE RELYING ON LOCAL TAXPAYERS TO PASS BONDS TO FUND SCHOOL FACILITIES, OBVIOUSLY, ACROSS THE STATE, SOME VOTERS VOTE FOR BONDS, SOME DON'T VOTE FOR BONDS, THAT'S CREATING AN UNEQUAL SYSTEM FOR OUR KIDS.

TED: YEAH, AND THE JUDGE GAVE A STATE -- THIS IS INTERESTING, PEOPLE THINK SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE IN CHARGE OF THE MONEY AND WHERE THE MONEY GOES, BUT THE JUDGES SAY NO, STATE OF ARIZONA, YOU'RE IN CHARGE, YOU NEED TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND YOU GOT TO DO IT IN EIGHT MONTHS?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN SINCE THE LATE 90s TO MAKE IT STICK TO THE SYSTEM.

WHICH THEY DID FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

THEY CREATED A FORMULA-FUNDED SYSTEM, BUT DURING THE GREAT RECESSION, THEY GOT RID OF ISSUES THAT WENT TO A GRANT-BASED SYSTEM AND IS CREATING THE DISPARITIES AND THAT'S UNFAIR FOR STUDENTS IN RURAL ARIZONA, UNFAIR FOR A STUDENT IN A DISTRICT WHERE THEY DON'T GET BOND DOLLARS, IT'S NOT FAIR.

TED: THE EIGHT-MONTH DEADLINE IS A SQUISHY DEADLINE, HASN'T THERE BEEN APPEAL ALREADY?

>> SURE WAS.

FRIDAY WE SAW THE LEGISLATURE DID PUT NOTICE FOR APPEAL.

TED: AND APPEAL MEANS A STAY IS COMING AND A STAY MEANS EIGHT MONTHS WILL BE EXTENDED OUT INTO WHO KNOWS HOW LONG?

>> YEAH, IN THIS CASE, IF YOU WERE A THIRD GRADER IN 2017, WHEN THIS NEXT ITERATION OF THE CASE CAME FORWARD, YOU WOULD BE A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL TODAY, AND STILL HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WITHOUT A FIX TO SCHOOL FACILITIES.

TED: I FOUND IT INTERESTING IN READING ABOUT THIS, THAT THE LEGISLATURE IN APPEALING IS BASICALLY SAYING -- AMONG OTHER THINGS -- THE JUDGE IS INSERTING HIMSELF INTO THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WHICH IS BUDGETING.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS KIND OF STUFF WITH SCHOOLS, YOU'RE TELLING US, LEGISLATURE, TAKE MONEY OUT OF X AND PUT IT IN Y. THAT'S NOT THE PLACE OF THE JUDICIARY, THEY HAVE A POINT?

>> I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND TO THAT.

THE JUDGE IS SAYING YOU HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION TO FUND SCHOOLS IN A FAIR WAY AND SAID THAT, AGAIN, SINCE THE 90s.

THEY ARE FUNDING OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T CONSTITUTIONALLY OBLIGATED AND YOU CAN RAISE REVENUE TO COVER THE COSTS, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS AN OBLIGATION THAT THE STATE HAS TO PAY.

TED: AND THE JUDGE IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT'S ALL FINE AND DANDY, BUT I CAN'T ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE WITH AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM.

>> EXACTLY.

YEP.

THEY'RE SAYING WE NEED TO GET A FIX HERE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE SAW IN THIS CASE IS STUDENT LEARNING IS BEING IMPACTED.

WHEN A KID GOES INTO A CLASSROOM AND IT'S 90 DEGREES, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY TOUGH TO PERFORM WELL ON A TEST WHEN YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE CLASS PERIOD.

WE WANT OUR STUDENTS TO COME INTO CLASSROOMS THAT ARE DISTRACTION FREE, THAT ARE SAFE, THAT ARE PLACE WHERE THEY CAN FOCUS ON READING, WRITING AND MATH.

TED: WE SEE WHERE THE COURTS ARE, THE SCHOOLS ARE, AND WHERE THE LEGISLATURE IS, WHERE IS THE GOVERNOR ON ALL THIS?

>> THE GOVERNOR PUT OUT EXECUTIVE BUDGET IN JANUARY SAYING THEY WANT TO FUND BOND DOLLARS UP TO $1.5 BILLION FROM THE STATE TO GET US STARTED ON FIXING THIS ISSUE.

TED: BUT THE JUDGE, I THINK, IN HIS RULING, NOTED THAT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, IN TERMS OF BUDGET REQUEST FOR SCHOOL FACILITIES WAS WAY UNDER WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE DONE.

THERE COULD BE WORK THERE AS WELL.

>> WELL, WHEN THE GOVERNOR IS PUTTING TOGETHER THE REQUESTS, THAT IS BASED ON WHO IS APPLYING TO THE GRANT PROGRAM.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WHEN YOU'RE IN A SMALL RURAL DISTRICT AND THE STATEWIDE FUNDING SYSTEM IS A BASE OF $16 MILLION.

IF YOU PUT IN A GRANT SUBMISSION TODAY, YOU MIGHT NOT GET IT FOR FIVE YEARS, DEPENDING HOW MUCH MONEY IS THERE, SO NOT EVERYONE IS PUTTING IN SUBMISSIONS BECAUSE IT'S A HARD PROCESS, IT'S A LONG PROCESS, WHEN YOU ARE AT "A" SMALL SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG, WHY DO IT?

TED: ARE YOU SAYING THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT NUMBER, DIFFERENT REQUEST, NOW THAT THE RULING IS MADE?

>> THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF NEEDS ACROSS THE STATE, AND I CAN'T COME HERE AND SAY WITH CERTAINTY THIS IS WHAT THE NUMBER IS RIGHT NOW.

WHEN I LOOK AT SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

TED: WHAT'S NEXT?

WAIT FOR THE EIGHT MONTH AND WAIT FOR THE APPEAL AND HOW LONG DO WE WAIT FOR THIS NOW?

>> WHAT WE REALLY WANT, THE LEGISLATURE AND OUR CAPITAL COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER, PUT TOGETHER A SOLUTION THAT CAN HELP KIDS TODAY SO THAT KIDS CAN START FOCUSING ON THE THINGS THAT MATTER.

TED: ANY SIGN OF THAT HAPPENING?

>> WE'RE HOPEFUL.

TED: JIMMY ARWOOD, ARIZONA SCHOOL BOARD ASSOCIATION.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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TED: ASU RESEARCHERS HAVE CREATED A SERIES OF TECH-BASED STUDIES TO HELP OLDER ADULTS WITH DEMENTIA AND OTHER COGNITIVE DISEASES.

THE GOAL IS TO FIND NEW WAYS FOR THE ADULTS TO CONNECT WITH SOCIETY WHILE STAYING ACTIVE AND SOCIAL.

JOINING US NOW IS DAVID COONDIRECTOR OF ASU'S ROYBAL CENTER.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

TED: ASU'S ROYBAL CENTER IS WHAT?

>> FUNDED BY THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE ON AGING.

A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE OPPORTUNITY THAT COMES AROUND ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND SO WE CAME TOGETHER, THOSE OF US IN THE CENTER FOR INNOVATION OF HEALTHY AND RESILIENT AGING, CAME TOGETHER AND WANTED TO LOOK WHAT WAS HAPPENING FOR OLDER ADULTS IN OUR STATE AND BEYOND, AND WE SAW THE GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING ALONE WITH COGNITIVE DECLINE.

AND THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY OF THE FUNDING MECHANISM THROUGH THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF AGING TO APPLY FOR THIS.

TED: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, STUDIES VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH TECHNOLOGY?

>> YES, YES.

THE PROGRAM THAT WE DEVELOPED REQUIRES A SOCIAL AND BEHAVIORAL BASIS, SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE THROUGH SOCIAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL MEANS TO HELP THEM IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THEIR LIVES, BY USING TECHNOLOGY TO HELP ADVANCE THAT AS WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL OF THE CENTER IS, IT BRINGS THE GOALS TOGETHER.

TED: A COUPLE OF PROGRAMS, ONE IS CALLED IPASS, WHAT IS THAT?

>> INCREASING PHYSICAL ACTIVITY THROUGH SUPPORT AND STRESS RESILIENCE, IT LOOKS AT PEOPLE THAT ARE OLDER ADULTS STARTING TO HAVE COGNITIVE COMPLAINTS.

COGNITIVE CONCERNS, AND WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT INCREASING PHYSICAL ACTIVITY CAN REALLY HELP PEOPLE BETTER MANAGE NOT ONLY HOW THEY FEEL OVERALL, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF CAN HAVE IMPACT ON THEIR COGNITION, SO THIS PROGRAM BRINGS TOGETHER NOT ONLY COACHING THAT HELPS PEOPLE SORT OF WORK THROUGH GOALS TO GO AHEAD AND INCREASE THEIR PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, BUT THAT UTILIZES GARMIN WATCHES, IT UTILIZES TECH-BASED MESSAGES, ET CETERA TO GUIDE PEOPLE THROUGH THIS.

TED: THESE ARE ACTIVITY TRACKERS?

>> WITH ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO GET PEOPLE REALLY ENGAGED AND PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE, OLDER ADULTS WHO ARE LESS PHYSICALLY ACTIVE.

TED: WITH THE ACTIVITY TRACKERS, WHAT HAVE THE STUDIES SHOWN SO FAR?

DOES IT HAVE TO BE INTERVAL ACTIVITY, HUFFING AND PUFFING HERE, JUST MOVING AROUND, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WITH PHYSICAL ACTIVITY?

>> THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF WHAT WE SEE IN THE RESEARCH, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE KNOW THAT EVEN PEOPLE THAT ARE LESS PHYSICALLY ACTIVE, INCREASING STEPS, DOING WALKING, JUST STAYING MORE PHYSICALLY ACTIVE AND THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL, IS IT'S INCREMENTAL IN NATURE, IT'S GETTING PEOPLE TO MOVE FROM ONE GOAL TO ANOTHER TO HELP IMPROVE THAT PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AND THAT QUALITY OF LIFE.

TED: AND GETTING THEM TO DO THAT BY WAY OF VIRTUAL COACHING?

>> VIRTUAL COACHING IS A KEY PART OF THE IPASS STUDY BUT HAS A MANUAL THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, EDUCATION WITH IT, AND THROUGH THAT VIRTUAL COACHING ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CONNECT WITH OTHERS, SO THEY DON'T BECOME SO SOCIALLY ISOLATED.

THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE LIVING ALONE.

TED: OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN TRACK PHYSICAL ACTIVITY WITH THE VIRTUAL TRACKERS, BUT JUST CONVERSATION?

HOW DO YOU MONITOR?

>> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S MORE THROUGH THE COACHING THEY'RE GETTING THAT INPUT FROM FOLKS IN THAT CASE AS OPPOSED TO NECESSARILY TRACKING THAT LEVEL OF TRACKING.

TED: GOT YOU.

GETTING COACHING THROUGH THE COMMUNICATION ITSELF.

>> EXACTLY.

AND THIS OLDER ADULT IS SAYING WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH OTHERS AS WELL, AS THEY GET MORE PHYSICALLY ACTIVE.

TED: THERE IS ANOTHER PROGRAM, EPIC LA PLUS?

>> EPIC IS EARNING PARTNERS IN CARE LIVING ALONE.

PEOPLE IDENTIFIED BY HEALTH CARE PROVIDER AS HAVING MILD COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT OR EARLY STAGE DEMENTIA, DIAGNOSED AS SOMEBODY STARTING TO HAVE MORE SERIOUS COGNITIVE CONCERNS, AND WHAT WE DO IN THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM IS BRING THEM TOGETHER IN A GROUP SETTING AND PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES TO DO PSYCHO EDUCATIONAL SKILL BUILDING AND CARE PLANNING.

I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

TED: PLEASE DO.

THIS IS ALL VIRTUAL, THIS IS ALL TECHNOLOGY, CORRECT?

>> THIS IS ALL DONE VIA ZOOM.

WHILE WE'VE HAD A GOOD DEAL OF PEOPLE SO FAR FROM ARIZONA, IT ALSO EXPANDS ACROSS THE NATION.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE FROM 17 DIFFERENT STATES SO FAR PARTICIPATE IN THIS.

WE DO IT ZOOM BASED.

THERE ARE SIX GROUP SESSIONS, THEY MEET OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THEMSELVES AND THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL SESSION THAT IS HIGHLY PERSONALIZED, IT FOCUSES ON IDENTIFYING YOUR CARE VALUES AND PREFERENCES FOR FUTURE CARE TASKS WHO HELP YOU.

TED: FUTURE CARE TASKIS AND IMAGINE PRACTICAL SKILLS FOR EVERYDAY LIVING.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S COING THINGS LIKE HELPING YOU DEVELOP SCRIPTS HOW YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHERS ABOUT YOUR COGNITIVE DECLINE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COMMUNICATE ABOUT THE ISSUE WITH EVERYONE.

IT'S ALSO ABOUT MANAGING YOUR EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT SOCIALLY ISOLATING AGAIN.

MORE YOU WITHDRAW, THE WORSE IT BECOMES.

TED: WHAT KIND OF RESULTS ARE YOU SEEING?

>> WE'VE GOT FANTASTIC RESULTS IN TERMS OF PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION OF BENEFITS.

BECAUSE IT'S A TRIAL, THE EARLY STAGE TRIAL, THE PRETRIAL SHOWED GOOD POSITIVE OUTCOMES ON A VARIETY OF THINGS FROM PREPARATION FOR THE FUTURE, FROM MOOD CHANGES, ET CETERA.

WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF A CLINICAL TRIAL RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY THE OUTCOMES YET, BUT WE'RE GETTING VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK IN THE TRIAL, FROM THE PERCEPTION OF BENEFIT, HOW THEY FEEL THE BENEFIT OF IT.

WE'LL LOOK AT IT AS THE TRIAL CONCLUDES.

TED: WHAT DO YOU TAKE FROM ALL THIS?

>> WE'RE SEEING OLDER ADULTS WANTING TO ENGAGE IN THIS COMBINATION HOW WE BRING TOGETHER WHAT WE KNOW FROM PSYCHOLOGY, SOCIAL SCIENCES WITH TECHNOLOGY TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OLDER ADULTS TO HELP PEOPLE, EVEN THOSE LIVING ALONG TO DO BETTER AND LIVE LONGER IN THE ENVIRONMENT IN A SAFE WAY.

TED: DAVID COON, CENTER FOR HEALTHY AND RESILIENT AGING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANK YOU.

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TED: THE SCOTTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART IS PROVIDING AN EXHIBITION "TENDER ALCHEMY" THAT PROVIDES TRANSFORMATION, HEALING AND FORCES THAT SHAPE THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE.

JOINING US ARE ARTISTS BETH AMES SWARTZ AND HER DAUGHTER JULIANNE SWARTZ.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE EXHIBIT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TED: BETH, START WITH YOU.

"TENDER ALCHEMY," WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

>> WELL, I THINK BOTH JULIANNE AND I, WE ALWAYS THOUGHT OUR WORK WAS SO DIFFERENT, AND ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, SHE HAD THE IDEA THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE AN EXHIBITION TOGETHER, AND I'M VERY HONORED ABOUT THIS FACT, AND MY WORK HAS -- THE SHOW IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A SERVICE SHOW AND STARTS FROM 1970 AND GOES UP TO THE PRESENT, AND ONE PIECE FROM EACH SERIES, I WORK IN SERIES, AND BASICALLY MY WORK EXPLORES WISDOM SYSTEMS.

TED: HOW SO?

>> WELL, WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, PHILOSOPHIES AND I EXPLORE EACH ONE, AND THEN I DO A PROJECT IN-DEPTH.

FOR INSTANCE, I DID A PROJECT ON 8th CENTURY CHINESE POETRY CALLED THE 13th MOON, AND THE FOUR WONDERFUL POETS FROM THE CENTURY AND WE TRANSLATED THE WORK, AND I PUT SOME OF THE POETRY IN ENGLISH.

I DID ANOTHER PROJECT CALLED VISIBLE REMINDERS BASED ON T.S.

ELLIOTT'S FOUR QUARTETS.

IN THE BEGINNING IS THE END AND THE BEGINNING, AND I GUESS I'M A BIT OF A PHILOSOPHER AND I BELIEVE AFTER STUDYING ALL THESE DIFFERENT WISDOM SYSTEMS, I'VE COME UP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT, ONE, ALL LIFE IS SACRED AND WE HAVEN'T LEARNED IT YET, AND ANOTHER CONCLUSION THAT WE NEED TO TREAT EACH OTHER BETTER.

TED: YEAH, YEAH.

JULIANNE, YOUR ART, DESCRIBE YOUR ART.

DESCRIBE HOW IT FITS IN WITH YOUR MOM'S ART?

>> WELL, MY MOTHER DOES PRIMARILY PAINTING, AND I DO SCULPTURE AND INSTALLATION AND WORK WITH SOUND, AND MY WORK USES IMMATERIAL FORCES, LIKE MAGNETISM AND LIGHT AND SOUND WAVES.

SOUND AS ENERGY, SO I'M REALLY MOLDING KIND OF ENERGETIC FORCES, AND I USE -- I USE VERY BASIC MATERIALS, LIKE A LOT OF CRAFT PROCESSES ALSO.

LIKE HAND MADE PAPER, CERAMICS, AND METAL, WOOD, BUT THEN I COMBINE THESE MATERIALS WITH THESE MORE EPHEMERAL FORCES.

TED: THE SOUND AND THE LIGHTS AND THE ENERGY SOUNDS PARTICIPATORY IN SOME RESPECTS?

>> SOME WORKS ARE ACTUALLY INTERACTIVE, AND SOME ARE PARTICIPATORY IN THE SENSE THAT THEY MIGHT BE KINETIC OR HAVE DURATION, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF ARE PERFORMING FOR THE VISITOR.

TED: YEAH, YEAH.

A MOVING POINT OF BALANCE IS THE COLLABORATION I WANT TO FOCUS ON A LITTLE BIT HERE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE, WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, IT REALLY IS A COLLABORATION.

WELL -- >> ACTUALLY, OUR COLLABORATIVE EFFORT IS -- IS NOT MOVING POINT OF BALANCE.

TED: THAT'S THE ONE?

>> YEAH.

>> I DIDN'T WANT TO LOAN IT, SO IT'S NOT IN THE EXHIBITION, BUT WHAT'S WONDERFUL IS THAT I HAVE A NEW SERIES CALLED QUANTUM LIGHT THEY JUST STARTED.

I HAVE THE FIRST SEVEN PAINTINGS, AND THE CURATOR, LAUREN O'CONNELL, WHO IS AMAZING, DECIDED SHE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT WITH THE NEW WORK, AND I'M VERY EXCITED BECAUSE I JUST HAD MY 90th BIRTHDAY, AND THE NEW WORK IS A LOT ABOUT THE SOUL AND WHERE WE GO.

WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WENT TO HEAVEN BECAUSE THERE WERE ALL THE STARS IN THE SKY, SO MAYBE EVERYBODY BECAME A STAR.

I DON'T KNOW.

SO THIS WORK IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ETERNITY, I GUESS, AND JULIANNE IS DOING SOUND INSTALLATION.

>> YEAH, I'M MAKING A VERY SPECIFIC SOUND TRACK FOR THIS GROUP OF PAINTINGS, AND IT'S A VERY SPECIAL -- SPECIALLY DELIVERED SOUND, I'M USING ULTRASOUND SPEAKERS, SO THE SOUND TRAVELS IN VERY FOCUSED BEAMS, AND I'M USING SOME VERY HIGH-PITCHED TUNING FORKS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY TUNED TO VIBRATE BONES IN THE CRANIUM.

TED: HOLY SMOKES.

>> AND IT'S -- AND ALSO I'M USING LIGHT PULSES FROM STARS THAT I GOT FROM NASA.

TED: YEAH.

>> NASA, HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE IT.

TED: YOU GOT IT.

>> SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF STAR SOUNDS AND INSTRUMENTAL SOUNDS AND THERE'S SOME VOICE IN THERE, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER SOUNDS THAT I MADE.

TED: OBVIOUSLY, A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS HERE.

HOW MUCH INTERACTION DURING THE PROCESS, OR DOES JULIANNE COME TO YOU SAY I'M DOING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GO UP HERE, I HOPE YOU LIKE IT, OR SHE SAYS I'M DOING SOMETHING THAT COMES UP HERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> IT'S ALL BASED ON TRUST.

WE JUST LOVE EACH OTHER A LOT.

I THINK MAYBE WE KNEW EACH OTHER IN ANOTHER LIFE.

I MEAN, THERE'S SUBLIMINAL CONNECTION THAT, IT'S JUST TRUST AND LOVE.

TED: HAVE YOU COLLABORATED BEFORE?

>> NEVER.

TED: WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG?

[LAUGHTER] >> WE'VE NEVER SHOWN OUR WORK TOGETHER BEFORE.

TED: WOW.

IS THERE A REASON, YOU THINK, BEHIND THAT?

OR JUST HAPPEN TO BE?

>> WELL, OUR WORK IS SO DIFFERENT.

VERY, VERY DIFFERENT, SO IT'S REALLY INTERESTING IN THE EXHIBITION, MOM'S BIG ROOM IS A SURVEY OF MANY, MANY YEARS, AND YOU SEE THAT HER PAINTINGS ARE VERY DENSE, AND THEN MY ROOM IS A VERY FOCUSED SAMPLING OF VERY RECENT WORK, AND WORK THEY MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SHOW.

IT'S MUCH LESS WORK THAN MY MOM'S ROOM, AND MY WORK IS VERY, VERY MINIMAL AND VERY SPARE AND IT'S -- IT'S AN INTERESTING.

>> I'M A MAXIMALIST AND SHE'S A MINIMALIST, AND IT SHOWS THAT THE WORLD CAN REALLY HAVE PEACE.

TED: IT WORKS TOGETHER REALLY WELL.

LAST QUESTION HERE, HOW DO YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT TO GET ACROSS?

BOTH OF YOU, ACTUALLY, WHAT YOU WANT TO GET ACROSS WITHOUT BEING PREACHY, WITHOUT BEING OBVIOUS, WITHOUT SAYING I'M GOING TO TEACH YOU A LESSON?

>> IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME, PERSONALLY, I CAN'T CAULK FOR OTHER ARTISTS FOR THE WORK TO COME FROM THE INSIDE OUT.

OFTEN I'LL HAVE A VISION OF WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN, AND THEN SOMETIMES I'LL STUDY FOR A YEAR, AND THE FIRST PAINTING CAN TAKE SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, AND IT JUST HAS TO BE AUTHENTIC, AND I'VE SACRIFICED A LOT THROUGH THE YEARS BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS SOME THEORIES PEOPLE LIKE MORE THAN OTHERS, SO I CAN'T EVER WORRY ABOUT WHO LIKES IT.

TED: UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE EXHIBIT.

>> THANK YOU.

TED: AND ON A GREAT LIFE TIME OF ART.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

TED: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.