>> A A BUSY NEWS WEEK, SO THIS WEEK A CORRESPONDENTS EDITION OF OTR.

OUR LEAD STORIES, THE ABORTION AND ELECTION REFORM ISSUES HEADED TO THE STATE SUPREME COURT AND NO DEBATES FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SECRETARY OF STATE.

ON THE OTR PANEL, SIMON SCHUSTER, LAUREN GIBBONS, JORDYN HERMANI AND BILL BALLENGER.

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>> NOW THE EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> THANKS VERY MUCH.

WELCOME TO THE HOLIDAY EDITION.

SO MUCH FOR SUMMER.

WRAP DID IT GO?

>> ANYWAY.

WE GOT A BUSY NEWS WEEK.

LET'S TAKE LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON?

IT LOOKS LIKE THE SUPREME COURT, SIMON, IS GOING TO HAVE A SAY ON WHAT WE VOTE ON IN OF SNOW.

>> RIGHT.

WE HAD BOTH PROPOSE PROPOSALS DEADLOCKED.

>> THOSE PROPOSALS WERE?

>> REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL, ONE THAT WOULD ENSHRINE ABORTION IN THE STATOCONE ITUTION AND PROMOTE THE VOTE IN '22 TO GET AHEAD OF LEGISLATIVE ATTEMPTS TO RESTRICT VOTING ACCESS.

AND SO AS A RESULT, THESE ARE MOVING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, ONE OF THEM SAYS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE FORM.

AS LONG AS THE FORM IS OH A, YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

THE OTHER ONE IS THE OPPOSITE.

>> THIS IS ON A FAST TRACK?

DOES IT SNOOT IT HAS TO BE.

CERTAINLY, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE BOARD THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ARE MAKING BIG DECISIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ABORTION BALLOT INITIATIVE WHERE YOU KNOW, ALMOST 700,000 PEOPLE SIGNED TO THIS THING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND WAITING AND, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS TO GET UP TO THE TOP OF THE SUPREME COURT'S DOCKET, TWO VERY BIG ISSUES HERE THAT CLEARLY DID NOT GET SOLVED YESTERDAY, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, THINK IT IS REMOTE THE VOTE IS ASKING FOR DECISION FROM THE COURT BY THE 8th AND RFFA IS ASKING BAY A DECISION AND THE BALLOTS HAVE TO GET FAMIZED BY THE 9th SO REALLY AT THE 11th HOUR FOR FIGURING THIS OUT.

>> THERE IS A HIT CALL DECISION IS THERE NOT FOR THE TWO REPUBLICAN ON THOSE BOARD.

THE REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL DON'T WANT EITHER ON THE BALLOT, YES?

>> BILL, LET ME CHECK IN ON THAT.

THE REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT THIS STUFF ON THE BALLOT?

>> I ARE RIGHT, JIM.

ABSOLUTELY.

THEY DON'T WANT IT ON THE BALLOT.

THEY ARE USING MISTAKES MADE IN THE DRAFTING OF THE PETITION LANGUAGE AND OTHER ACCUSATIONS AS A JUSTIFICATION OR LOGIC FOR WHY THEY ARE OPPOSING THESE TWO PROPOSALS GETTING ON THE BALLOT, BUY THINK THE COURTS ARE GOING TO ALLOW BOTH OF THEM ON THE BALLOT.

THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> ANYONE ELSE AGREE WITH THAT THAT WELL, MEAN, HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY ON THE SUPREME COURT.

MEAN, YOU ARE HAVING THE MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN PARTY CALLING FOR RICHARD TO RECOUPLES FROM, I BELIEVE, IT.

IT'S THE PROMOTE THE VOTE ONE.

I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT ONE.

MEAN, THEY ARE ALREADY ASKING FOR AS MANY STEPS FORWARD AS THEY POS MIA TAKE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T MAKE THE BILLION LOT.

SO THE ISSUE, I OR NOT AN ISSUE.

THERE IS POLLING TO SUGGEST THAT 60 SOMETHING PERCENT.

ALMOST TWO OUT OF THREE MICHIGAN ANDERS WOULD VOTE FOR YES ON THIS INITIATIVE.

THAT LEAVES A LOT OF REPUBLICANS CLINCHINGER THAT TEETH HERE.

IT WOULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY IF THE CRITICS OF THESE PROPOSALS, YOU KNOW, LAUNCHING AN ANTI-COME PAIN AGAINST EITHER OF.

IT'S THE WOULD BE COSTLY, SO CERTAINLY, IF THEY CAN SK SATISFIED HEAR AT THE COURT LEVEL, BUT, BUT AS WAS ALLUDED TO EARLIER, YOU KNOW, IT IS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, IN THE FAVOR OF THE PROPOSALS USUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST DECADE OR SO, USUALLY, IF IT COMES DOWN TO MATTERS OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE SPACING ISSUES OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

TYPICALLY, THAT IS NOT WHAT IS GOING TO CONVINCE THE COURT, AND ESPECIALLY, YEAH, WITH THE ABORTION ONE, WE ARE SEEING THESE CHALLENGES TO SPACING, THAT CHALLENGE IN LARGE PART CAME BECAUSE THEY HAD SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD TO CHALLENGE THE SIGNATURES, AND SO, SO THE TINY, THE TINY SPACING BETWEEN WORDS IS NOW BECOMING THIS TALKING POINT, THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

>> SO THE REPUBLICANS ALWAYS ARGUE, THERE ARE RULES.

THERE ARE RULES FOR DOING THIS.

YOU GOT APPLY THE RULES.

THINK YOU GOT TO HAND TO IT THE ATTORNEYS HERE WHO HAVE SPENT AA LONG TIME.

THEY ARE OFTEN HIRED.

I WELL NOT NAME NAMES, BUT TOúLE WHAT THEY CAN PICK UP TO HAVE THE THINGS THEN OUT.

S THAT THE QUASS THE REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL.

THE PROMOTE THE VOTE CHALLENGE IS MORE INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY THREW OUT THE PROPOSAL SAYING WE DON'T THINK YOU CORRECTLY DETAILED THE PARTS OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT MAY BE OVERTURNED UNDER THIS PROPOSAL.

SO EVENTUALLY, THE BOARD IS TRYING TO EXPAND THE INFLUENCE A LITTLE BIT.

SAY IF WE DISABREA YOUR LEGAL ANALYSIS, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE, WE CAN THROW OUT THE PROPOSAL.

>> YES.

GO AHEAD.

>> WELL, JUST REMEMBER, THE EXAMPLE, 35 YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO GO ON THE BALLOT, THAT WOULD HAVE AMENDED THE VICTIM'S RIGHT CONSTITUTIONAL LANGUAGE THAT HE HAD ALREADY GOTTEN EN ACED IN THE CONSTITUTION, AND HE WON, THE COURTS THREW IT OFF THE BALLOT.

THAT IS THE ONLY TIME I CAN THINK OF, THE COURTS HAVE NOT RULED IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING SOMETHING TO GO ON THE BALLOT.

BY THE WAY, TIM, THERE IS A LEGAL CHALLENGE TO TERM OF LIMITS QUESTIONS THE BOARD DID VOTE TO PUT ON THE BALLOT.

THAT IS BEING CHALLENGED IN COURT, TOO.

A ALL RIGHT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT -- APPARENTLY, NO DEBATE FORCE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT, LAUREN?

>> YEAH.

WE ARE SEEING, AT THIS POINT, NO FIRM , NO FIRM COMMITMENTS TO BE SURE ON THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S SIDE.

THEN, ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS OUTRIGHT REFUSED TO TAKE UP MATTHEW'S CHALLENGE FOR DEBATES.

SHE SAYS PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE SHE IS CONCERNED THAT HE WILL BRING UP THE INVESTIGATION, THAT IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, REQUESTED A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR FOR, SHE SAYS SHE CANNOT COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS THAT SHE IS RUNNING AGAINST AND HE HAS BROUGHT IT UP SEVERAL TIMES IN HIS QUESTION AND POLITICAL ATTACK, SO THAT WAS PART OF THINK IT.

SHE IS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE SHE HAS USED TO DESCRIBE HER AND DOESN'T WANT TO PROMOTE THAT ON THE DEBATE STAGE SO THAT WAS THE RUNNING FOR KIND OF DECLINING THESE REQUESTS.

A WELL , SHE MADE A STATEMENT SAYING, SHE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE A PLATFORM FOR HIM TO CONTINUE TO SPREAD EGREGIOUS CLAIMS ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION.

MAIN, SHE DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE A PLATFORM TO MISINFORMATION, I THINK THINK IS ADMIRAL THING.

I UNDERSTAND THERE IS CONCERN.

I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THE MICHIGAN POLITICAL SCENE LONG.

AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER, THE AG DEBATES ARE NOT COMMON.

THEY ARE RELATIVELY NEW, CORRECT?

I MEAN, THIS CONCEPT THAT WE NEED TO SEE THE DEBATE.

REALLY WHAT MATTERS TO PEOPLE MOST IS THE GAUB MA TOIAL DEBATES IN MY MIND.

FREEDMAN NES STOLE SAY, I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE HIM A MICROPHONE TO CONTINUE TO SPREAD ELECTION CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

THERE IS SOME SOUND LOGIC BEHIND IT.

IT IS NOT A NOTHING REASON.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

>> LOOK.

TIM, THERE HAS ONLY BEEN ONE DEBATE THAT I CAN THINK OF IN THE LAST HALF CENTUR IN ANY OF THE RACES THAT HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE FINAL RESULT.

THAT WAS THE DEBATE IN 1994 ON YOUR SET WITH YOUD A THE MODERATOR BETWEEN INCUMBENT DEMOCRATIC SECRETARY OF STATE RICHARD AUSTIN AND CANDACE MILLER CHALLENGING HIM, WHERE AUSTIN FUMBLED THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS RIGHT TO LIFE.

IT IS HE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT?

HE APPEARED TO BE BLUNDERING AND MAYBE SEE MY DEMENTED, JUST OUT OF IT.

I WAS CRITICAL POINT IN THAT RACE.

MILL WEREN'T ON TO BEAT HIM IN A BIG UPSET AND GET ELECTED SECRETARY OF STATE.

OTHERWISE, ALL OF THESE DEBATES, OVER ALL OF THESE YEARS, GOVERNOR, SECRETARY OF TATE, ATTORNEY GENERAL, THEY NEVER MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE FINAL RESULT.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

>> SIMON?

>> LOOK, I THINK MATT, NOT A STUPID PERSON, RIGHT?

HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.

HE WANTS TO GET ELECTED.

HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN AS ELECTION CONSPIRACY THEORIST, MATT.

IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE AWAY FROM THIS MESSAGING.

HE SAID THIS ON RECORD.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT ELECTION INTEGRITY IN THE ELECTION.

SO BY ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYING I WILL NOT DEBATE WITH YOU BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION FRAUD MISINFORMATION, THEN, SHE IS ESSENTIALLY RECEMENTING HIM WITH THE IMAGE HE DOESN'T WANT.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF RATIONAL BUT ALSO, ALSO A SMART POLITICAL STRATEGY.

WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GOVERNOR'S SCENE.

IT IS MISS DIXON GOING TO CRY UNCLE AND DO THE DATES THAT THE GOVERNOR PROPOSED?

>> YOU KNOW, THINK, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF GETTING YOUR NAME OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING YOURSELF MORE KNOWN TO VOTERS.

IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO TUDOR DISKTON GET ON THE STAGE WITH THE GOVERNOR AND DEBATE THESE ISSUES.

YOU SNOW?

IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN, THOUGH.

CERTAINLY.

WE ARE SEEING THESE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SECRETARY OF STATE DEBATES FALL APART, SO I GUESS, WE GOT TO SEE WHAT THE CAMPAIGNS END UP SAYING TO SEE IF IT IS GOING TO COME THROUGH.

DO YOU THINK FOR A SECOND THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO ACQUIECE TO WHAT MISS DIXON HAS ASKED?

>> LOOK.

THEN CHESS GAMES DEV BAIT, IT IS GAME, MATCH, SET SO FAR?

IS IT NOT?

>> YES, IT IS.

TIM, LOOK, TUDOR DIXON HAS GOT TO DEBATE GRETCHEN WHITMER AND ALLOWED GRETCHEN WHITMER TO SET THE TABLE IN OCTOBER AHEAD OF DIXON SAYING ANYTHING.

NOW DIXON IS PLAYING CLEANUP.

COMING BACK SAYING SHE WANTS FOUR DEBATANCE SOME OF THEM EARLIER.

THE ONLY LOGIC SHE HAS ON HER SIDE IS THE IDEA THAT A LOT OF ABSENTEE VOTERS WILL HAVE VOTED BY THE TIME OF THE TWO DEBATES IN OCTOBER THAT WHITMER WANTS S. THAT IS RIGHT.

GUESS WHAT YOU?

ARE RIGHT.

WHITMER HOLDS ALL THE CARDS.

SHE HAS THE CAMPAIGN CASH.

SHE HAS THE LEAD IN THE POLLS S. SHE IS INCUMBENT.

DIXON BETTER ACCEPT WHAT SHE CAN GET.

GET TWO DEBAYS IN OCTOBER.

THEN HOPE SHE CAN EX POSITION WHITMER AS BEING INCONFIDENT GOVERNOR AND MAKE SOME HAY OUT OF IT AND GO TO HICK I HAVE.

S THAT HE ONLY CHANCE TUDOR DISKOB HAS.

>> WHAT ARE THE OPTICS HOWEVER?

>> OK. LET'S DO THAT DEBATES?

ARE THOSE GOOD OPTICS?

THIGH THEY ARE SUITABLE OPTICS.

NOBODY WILL CARE WITH THE OPTICS.

SHE JUST ACQUIESCES TO WHIT MR'S DEMAND TWO TWO DATES IN OCTOBER WHITMER PROPOSED LIKE 24 HOUR OF SQUABBLING THE MEDIA AND EVERYBODY WILL FORGET ABOUT IT.

WILL THERE BE DEBATES NONE OF THESE DEBATES GUESS WHAT THERE IS A CHANCE THEY WILL AND THE-NY GAME WITH THE GOVERNR SO FAR AHEAD AND NEEDS ALL SHE CAN GET 27-1 SO WHITMER COULD SPEND COSE TO 200,000 PER DAY FROM AUGUST 2nd WHEN THE FILING PERIOD ENDED MILLION THE ELECTION AND STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF IN NY LEFT OVER SO DIXON NEEDS DEBATES FOR THE VISIBILITY THEY ARE GOING TO BRING HER.

I THINK THE BIG QUESTION IN MY MIND IS WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS ARE THE OUTSIDE SOURCES HELPING DIXON GOING TO PUT UP.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN BIG MEDIA BUY FROM THE COMMITMENT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC GO GOVERNOR'S ASSOCIATION OF MORE THAN 20 MILLION THAT IS STILL STANDING IS BAD NEWS I THINK FOR DIXON.

WAS THIS STATEMENT ABLE TO BE MADE BY THE DIXON FOLKS?

>> UM, I WOULD SAY NO.

SHE DIDN'T GET A CHECK FROM THE MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN PARTY AS OTHER CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN THE PAST MED MEADLY FOLLOWING DEBATES SHOWING THEY COALESCED AROUND HER AND ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT BUT AT THE SAM TIME THOSE SCREES TURES ARE IMPORTANT.

WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THE ONE THING GOING TO DIXON'S FAVOR IS THAT WHITMER HAS FUND RAISED A DEGREESIVELY AND WANTS TO SPEND SO MUCH MONEY AND SPEAKS TO THE POLITICAL CLIMATE THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A HUGE FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IS STILL AGAINST HER AND STILL FACING HEADWINDS GOING TO NOVEMBER.

I THAT IS TRAU.

CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THIS MASSIVE FINANCIAL SPINDING, THEN?

ING THIS E THEY ARE PREPARED TO MAKE IN MICHIGAN COULD BE GOING ELSEWHERE.

THERE IS A LOT OF COMPETITIVE CONGESTIONAL RACES NOT JUST UNMICHIGAN BUT AROUND THE COUNTRY AND DEMOCRATS ARE TRAYING TO HOLD THEIR MAJOR TY AND SPENDING IT HERE IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE AND WHICH DOES PINT TO THEM BEING A LITTLE CONCERNED AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ABLE TO RETAIN THIS SEAT SO DOES POINT TO MICHIGAN STATUS WHERE IS IT.

>> YOU ARE ASKING?

HE.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

THEY HAVE NOT CONFIDED IN ME AS TO WHERE THEY ARE GIVING THEIR MONEY.

>> I THOUGHT THEY CALL YOU ON EVERY DECISION.

I AM SORRY ABOUT THAT GLOB.

LOOK.

IF THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND DRAR 30 MILLION.

LET'S.

>> IF HE THIS DO.

WHERE THEY SPEND IT, GOD KNOWINGS.

I DON'T THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE IT TO TUDOR DIXON EVEN THOUGH THEY ENDORSED HER AND BETTER START SPENDING IT FAST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING A HECK OF A JOB RAISING MONEY FOR STATE SENATE RACES S. IF THE DeVOS FAMILY WAS SITTING THERE SAYING LET'S SEE?

WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT.

ONING THE GOVERNOR'S SEAT OR KEEPING CONTROL.

YOU FOR AROUND THE TABLE.

WHAT WOULD YOU REMEMBER THEM SAYING?

I WOULD SAY, FIRST OF ALL.

THE LEDGE SAY TURE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR THE REPUBLICANS RIGHT NOW.

TO HAVE A PIECE OF THE AC.

>> WELL GL AHEAD.

>> YEAH.

TO BUNS OFF HIM BASS I HAVE A FEELING I KNOW WHAT HE WILL SAY.

I KNOW IT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP THAT SETS THEIR PRI OR YOUS WE CAN OBVIOUSLY HAVE ISSUE WHERE YOU HE YOU HAVE WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A HOUSE AND SENATE CELL AND AS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR SO OBS HI A LOT LENGTHLATION CAN GET SPIKED DOWN AND SAY WE ARE FIGHTING FOR YOU.

IT IS THE GOVERNOR WHO REALLY IS MAKING THINGS TERRIBLE FOR US SO THE HAD TO PUSH COME TO SHOVE THERE IS A LOT OF COMPETITIVE HUS AND SENATE RACES HAVING BEN AT THE NOMINATING CONVENTION OVER THE WEEKEND, MAY YOU COULD TELL THERE IS A FIRE FOR CERTAIN RACES AND IT REALLY DIDN'T TOTALLY SEEM LOOK THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE WAS ONE OF THEM.

>> IS THAT YOUR SENSE, TOO?

>> YEAH.

I WAS ACTUALLY IN NEW YORK FOR A WEDDING.

BUT WATCHING FROM AFAR, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THINK THAT IS MUCH THE CASE.

WHAT IS ALSO DONE THIS CRATIC SIDE AND FIRED UP ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF RETAKING THE SENATE AND BRIDGING DEMOCRATIC CONTROL BACK TO MICHIGAN THEN MORE SO THAT LEGISLATURES WANT TO STOP PLAYING POLITICS AND HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE IN NEGOTIATIONS AND TAKE BACK THE IT?

AND MAY HAVE THAT.

THE STATE IS COMPETITIVE AND WILL MAKE A BIG PLAY.

THE HOUSE MAP IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FAVORABLE TO REPUBLICANS THEN I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE EXPECTED COMING OUT OF THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION AND, SO, REPUBLICANS A GOOD SHOT AND DEMOCRATS HAVE HAVE A DREN SHOT AT MAYBING A PLAY FOR THE SENATE.

IT WILL BE VERY CLOSE REGARDS OF WHAT HAPPENS, BUT YEAH.

I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT.

REPUBLICANS HAVE A GOOD SHOT OF KEEPING THAT.

IN THE MAY BE.

MATE BE MORE OF A SURE BET WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT TO SPEND MONEY ON THAN POTENTIALLY GOING HER TO STATEWIDE.

>> SPEAKING OF SPENDING MACHINE MY.

THREAT, BUDGET WHICH WE HAVE NOT TALKED AT ALL.

SOME DECISIONS ARE BEGINNING TO TAKE SHAPE.

LET'S TICK A SENATE PIECE ON THAT.

>> AT THE HEIGHT OF $5 A GAS, THE REPUBLICAN RG SLAY TURE TALKED ABOUT A GAS TAX HOLIDAY.

IT NEVER MATERIALIZED.

IN THE MIDST OF RECORD IN PLACING.

GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER TALKED ABOUT SENG YOU A ONE-TIME CHECK FOR A 00.

IT NEVER HAPPENED SH W. THE STATE SENATE NOW ABOUT $7 BILLION IN EXTRA TAX IN NY SOME WERE HOPING TO GET TAX RELIEF.

>> IN SOONER THAN LATER THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET DIRECTOR WAS OPT MY TICK ABOUT GETTING THAT JOB DONE IF NOT NOW, THEN LATER ON.

>> I WILL REMAIN OPT MISTY RICK SHALL TIM.

OPT MITCH IS NOT THE NORMAL SUIT, SO I THINK THERE IS CERTAINLY OPTIONS FOR US HERE IN TERMS OF DELIVERING ON RELEAF.

>> THERE ARE REPORT FRONSER THE DOME FROM CLOSED DOORS MEETINGS THAT PROGRESS CONTINUES BUT NOW MANY OF KEY PLAYERS WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER, AFTER, AFTER THE NOVEMBER ELECTION TO PASS A TAX CUT PLAN.

THOSE PLAYERS IN CLAUDE THE SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADER, THE DEMOCRAT UK LEAD ARE LEADER IN THE SENATE ASH AND EAST LANSING DEMOCRATIC SENATOR AND THE REPUBLICAN CHAIR MOVE SENATE REPUBLIC COMMITTEE OVER THE IN MICHIGAN HOUSE, REPUBLICAN SPEAKER JASON WENTWORTH IS REPORTEDLY READY TO TAKE THE LED ON THESE ISSUES TAKING IT AWAY FROM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE BUDGET COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE TOM ALBERT WHO REPORTEDLY SINGLE-HANDEDLY HOLDING UP THE PROCESS AND AGREM.

HERE IS WHAT IS ON THE TABLE.

A 153 MILLION ECONOMIC GROWTH PACK IN TO BE ADOPPED BEFORE THE ELECTION IN OCTOBER OR SO.

OTHERS WANT TO SPEND SOME MONEY AND TOSS-UP RACES INTO THE MICHIGAN US TO GET THOSE LAWMAKERS' LECKED THEN IN THE LAME-DUCK SESSION THEN THE TAX CUTS COULD BE COMING TO YOU.

THOSE COULD IN CLAUDE A CHANGE IN THE INCOME TAX RATE, AID TOED INTOE FAMILIES THEN HIGHER EX SHOWN FORCE CHILDREN ON THE TAX FORMS.

THERE IS A COMMITMENT BAY ALL THE LAYERS TO DELIVER TAX RELIEF.

THE QUESTION IS WHEN.

AND IN WHAT FORM?

>> MR. ALBERT CONTINUES TO BE INTERESTING PLAYER UNALL OF THIS.

WHAT ARE YOU MAKING OF HIM?

>> WELL, IT IS FROM THE START.

ALWAYS BEEN WANTING TO REAS TO THE STATE'S DEBT.

HE NEVER BEEN A PLAYER INTERESTED IN THROWING OUT MONEY.

LAKES.

IF HE NEVER BEEN A LAYER FROM ENTIRE TIME IN THE LEGISLATURE THAN IN TOSSING OUT MONEY AT THING THEN SEE THAT THOUGHT THE BUDGETS ARE SES WHERE YOU KNOW, WE LEFT WHAT IS IT LIKE $7.5 BILLION ON THE TABLE THAT WE ARE AND BEING EYED FOR TAX CUTS THEN I MEAN JUST YESTERDAY.

ALBERT KIM OUT AND SAID WE WOE.

HANG ON.

DON'T WANT TO DO ANY MORE HE SPENDING THEN ANY ADDITIONAL STUFF FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR BECAUSE WE ARE HEADING INTO AN ECONOMIC RECESSION.

MAIN ORTIVE ONE.

YOU KNOW?

IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT.

IT IS INTERESTING TO HEAR ABOUT HOUSE SPEAK SER JASON WENTWORTH SAYING FROM YOUR CLIP SAYING I AM GOING TO MAYBE TAKE THE REIGNS ON THIS.

IT DOES SEEM LOOK HE IS ALBERT IN THIS CASE MARCHING TO THE BEAT OF HIS OWN DRUM.

DID HE ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE SAIL, THERE COULD ABE DIGSAL SPENDING BUT ON TAX RELIEF SPECIFICALLY BUT YEAH, I MEAN THEM?

IS ON HIS OWN OUT ON THAT ISLAND.

>> SOME OF THIS MONEY HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AT THIS POINT, RIGHT.

ESPECIALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE COVID-19 LEAF BUT ALSO THE SURPLUS WE SAW.

>> STILL COMING IN HEAR.

STILL MAKING MONEY.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

IT IS STILL COMING IN.

THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY ON THE TABLE.

AND IT IS TO THE POINT AS YOUR CLIP ALLUDED TO.

THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT DEMOCRATS OR VERSUS REPUBLICANS.

THIS MONEY COULD BE USED AROUND THE STATE AND PUT TO EFFECTIVE USE SO THERE IS INCENTIVE FOR BOTH PARTIES TO COME TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO USE THIS MONEY OR MAYBE EVEN MAKE A PLAN FOR THE NEXT CO COUPLE OF YEAR T IS THE ISSUE HERE.

BURR YEAH.

IT IS GOING GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THIS MONEY HAS BEEN KINDS OF SIT SITTING THERE UNSPEN FORA LONG, LONG TIME.

>> WEIGHT UNTIL MOVE TO DO THE TAX CUTS WOULDN'T YOUFULLY A POLITICAL STANDPOINT PRESIDENT?

GET THE POP BEFORE THE ELECTION S. YEAH.

THERE IS ASYMMETRIC.

YOU LOOK AT A PREMIUM KNOWN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

IS BEING A FIGHTER.

IT IS STANDING UP AGAINST LEADERSHIP YOU ARE PIESED TO.

SO WORKING TOWING, REACHING COMPROMISE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REALLY AT PREMIUM NOW IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

AND ESPECIALLY IN YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOCRAT UK GOVERNOR WHO IS TRYING TO PLATE IN THE MIDDLE SHOWING SHE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO GET THINGS DONE AND IF YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THE TAX PACKAGE LIKE THIS AND REFLECTS WELL ON YOU.

DOWP THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE THE SAME BENEFIT.

HE WANTS TO SPEND MONEY ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUT NOT TOO HAPPY ABOUT GOING INTO AND BUILDING A CHRISTMAS TREE.

IF THE TREE IS GOING TO BE BILL.

THERE WON'T BE ORNPS ON IT.

SO ALL OF THIS IS IN PLAY AND, LOOK.

IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN, OR A DEMOCRAT IN A SWING DISTRICT DONE YOU WANT TO TAKE HOME BACK NON-ABSOLUTELY.

BUZZ MAIN, THINK THINK, THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE THAT IS, LIKE, SIMON WAS ALLUDING TO ABOUT ASYMMETRIC GAINS HERE.

THERE IS NOTHING WORSE PERSONALLY, YOU PEEL LIKE, REPUBLICANS COULD DO AT THIS MOMENT THAN GIVE GRETCHEN WHITMER HERE A W HEAR ON TAX CUTS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT WOULD COME BACK.

YOU CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, LOOK I HELPED DO THIS.

I HELPED GET YOU TAX RELIEF.

I HELPED YOU PUT SOME EXTRA FAD ON THE TABLE OR MONEY IN THE POCKET.

THAT IS THE SAME MESSAGING THAT DEMOCRATS CAN TAKE HOME, TOO.

FOR LOOKING AT IT AS REPUBLICAN THEN THE MAJORITY THEN, THEN, IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW,.

>> -50 QUESTION.

DO I WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING I CAN TAKE HOME KNOWING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DEMOCRATS CAN TAKE HOME TO THEIR VOTERS, TOO SH DOW WANT TO PUT A PAUSE ON IT BECAUSE WE CAN GET THIS DONE MAYBE NOT RIGHT NOW.

>> I THINK IT MEANS LAME DUCK IS INTERESTING THIS YEAR.

BUY TICKETS IN THE COME IN.

THINK IT IS ALSO A SHIFT THAT WE HAVE SEEN WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OVER THE LAST FEW YEAR SINCE THE PANDEMIC WHAT HAPPENED TO HARD-LINE THAT WERE IN SURGEON DURING THE TEA PARTY YEARS.

AND IT SEEM LIKE HE IS HAVING VIEWER ALLIES I THINK THAT IS CORRECT WORD AND MR. ALBERT QUITING TO THAT POINT ABOUT OTHER HAS SAID BEFORE I WILL COME IN AND TELL HIM WHAT TO DO.

IT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

SO THEY ARE WATCHING THIS AND THINKING IT MAY NOT HAPPEN THIS TIME.

BUT MAYBE THE SPEAKER SAID GO AHEAD.

HERE IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS A POSSIBILITY AS WELL.

IT COULD BE, YEAH.

IN THE LAST YOU A YEARS S. SO MUCH HAPPENED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT COULD BE HIM MAKING HIS STATEMENT AND MAKING HIS CONCERNS KNOWN AND THEN YEAH.

WELL THAT STATEMENT HE PUT OUT DID NOT CLOSE THE DARES ON TAX CUTS AND HAPPENING THROUGH THE FUND AND OUTREAC FUND AND APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THEN, I MEAN THE STATEMENT SAID WE ARE NOT DOING ANY ADDITIONAL.

THAT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE SCHOOL SAFETY AND DOESN'T KEGS THE DAR ON TAX YOU CAN AND ECONOMIC WITHOUT REACH WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST ESTABLISHED IN THAT CLIP.

>> IN THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE BUDGET HE SAYS AND THERE IS NO MONEY.

THE TOUGHEST JOB IS SITTING DOWN WHEN YOU GOT A BOAT LOAD OF MONEY WHERE IS IT GOING TO GO.

WHO IS GOING TO GET WHAT THEY WILL FIGURE THIS THING UT OUT.

DON'T SP SPEND YOUR TAX CUTS YET, FOLKS.

EVERYBODY HAD A SAFE HOLIDAY WEEKEND.

I AM SORRY WE LOST BILL BALLENGER.

WELL SEE MORE NEXT WEEK FOR MORE OFF THE RECORD.

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