TIM: WELCOME BACK.

OUR GUEST THIS WEEK IS CHRISTEN POLLO SEEKING A NO VOTE ON THE ABORTION BALLOT PROPOSAL THREE.

OUR LEAD STORY, IN ONE DAY LAWMAKERS AND THE GOVERNOR PASS A $1 BILLION BUDGET BILL.

WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU?

ON THE OTR PANEL, KYLE MELINN, STELLA YU AND CRAIG MAUGER.

SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT, OFF THE RECORD.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY: TIM: THANKS VERY MUCH.

WELCOME BACK TO STUDIO C THIS FRIDAY MORNING IN EAST LANSING.

THE LAW MAKE ARE IS COMING TO TOWN FOR ONE DAY.

WHAT A GREAT SYSTEM WE HAVE, RIGHT, KYLE.

>> KYLE: SET UP THAT SOMETHING SMELLS BEFORE THE ELECTION.

YOU KNOW IT HAS TO BE URGENT.

TIM: WHAT, BEFORE THE ELECTION?

KYLE.

PASSES $840 MILLION NEST-EGG FOR THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR'S ADMINISTRATION TO SPEND ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT YOU KNOW SOMETHING IS PRESSING GOING ON WHEN THEY ARE DOING THAT AND THEY ARE ALSO CREATING AND PUT THE BONES ON NEW SCHOLAR SHIP FOR WORKING FAMILIES, TWO GOOD HEADLINES HER TO GOVERNOR, YEAH.

IF YOU ARE WHITMER.

THAT IS A GOOD WEEK.

STELLA?

YEAH.

I THINK SO.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COMPARE YOU KNOW, TUDOR DISK DIXON'S COMMENTS ON, YOU KNOW, $864 MILLION DEAL.

TIM: WHAT DID THE SAY?

>> YEAH.

SHE CAME OUT AGAINST THE DELL AND SAID THIS IS GIVING CORPORATE WELFARE TO FOREIGN CHINESE-BACKED COMPANY, AND SO, SHE WAS TAUBING ABOUT THE ELECTRIC BATTERY MANUFACTURING WHICH IS BASED IN CALIFORNIA BUT A CHINESE COMPANY SO WHEN WE ASKED HER BUT THAT AND SAID, OH, I AM NOT REALLY AGAINST ALL FUND INVESTMENT, ACTUALLY, AM FOR THIS AND NOT GIVE THAT MACHINE THINK A CHINESE COMPANY.

>> WELL, PANE, WHAT A MOMENT TO HAVE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR GOVERNOR AND EVENTUALLY SPEAKING OUT AGAINST WHAT THE REPUBLICAN LED LEMMING LAY TURE IS DOING, MEANWHILE THE HOUSE CHAIR RESIGNS OVER THIS PROPOSAL AS WELL.

YOU ARE SEEING TWO COMPETING VISIONS FOR THE PAW TURE OF THE REN CAN PARTY YOU HAVE LAW MAKESES WHO ARE ABOUT TO TERM LIMITED OUT WHO ARE SAYING THISES MY LEGACY AND WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING AND HAVE OTHERS SAYING BEFORE THE ELECTION GIVING HEAR MAJOR WINNEN?

>> THAT WAS THE POINT GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES.

THE REPUBLICAN SAID, YOU BE?

WE KNOW SHE IS DOING TAKE CREDIT TO THIS.

THIS WILL BE THE OCTOBER SURPRISE.

SHE WILL SHOW UP SOME MRS. AND ANNOUNCE ALL THE JOBS.

THEY KNEW IT WAS COOING WHEN I TALKED TO CONSIDER IS HE SAID HOW IT COULD BE A SR. PLIES WE HAVE BEEN WORK ON THIS FOR TWO YEAR, OK THE REPUBLICANS CONCLUDE WE CAN TAKE CREDIT THOR, TOO.

THOSE IN TROUBLE IN SWING DISTRICTS THAT GOT TO GO HOME AND SAY, K, HERE IS WHAT I DID.

IT WAS YOU SCRATCH MY BACK.

WILL SCRATCH YOURS.

>> IT IS WHERE THE PRACTICAL TRUMP THE MIT AL, ACTUALLY.

BASS THE REPUBLICANS LEAD BY MIKE IN THE SENATE, WHO IS BUSINESS PERSON, WHO OWNS HIS OWN COMPANY, KNOWS THESE THINGS MOVE QUICKLY, THEN IF YOU DON'T ARE THE FUNDINGS IN PLACE, IF YOU DON'T SHOW, THAT YOU HAVE THE MACHINE I AND SERIOUS TO INVESTIGATE END THESE THINGS, POOF.

THEY GO A I, THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY, A COMMUNITY LIKE, THAT NEVER SEEN ANY TINGE LIKE THIS BEFORE, LOSES OUT, HEN, OVER IN THE HOUSE, YOU GOT JASON WENTWORTH WHO IS FROM NORTHERN MICHIGAN AND FROM KIND OF THAT NECK OF THE WOODS, YOU KNOW, DOWN M10 A BIT.

HE IS LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING HOW CAN WE NAS HUP WE DON'T WANT TO SQUARE THE PEOPLE AWAY.

WE GOT THINK ABOUT OURSELVES.

WE GOT TO THINK ABOUT OUR COME MACHINES.

TIM: IN THE PLAY BETWEEN THE SPEAKER AND MR. ALBERT FINALLY CAME TO A HEAD.

THE SPACKER FINALLY SAID, EITHER, I WAS NOT IN THE ROOM, BUT MY GUESS IS, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NED TO MOVE THIS BILL.

IF YOU CAN'T DO IT, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

HE DID.

>> YEAH.

MEAN, HE SAID I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH THIS.

I AM STEPPING.

WHATS THE BEEF HE THINKS THE COUNTRY ON THE BRINK OF RECESSION AND HANDING OUT ANOTHER $1 BILLION IS A BAD MOVE.

THEN LOOMING OVER ALL OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO NOTE IS THIS IS $840 MILLION IN SPENDING.

THEN A LOT OF THE LAWMAKERS THE LEADERS LO WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO END UP.

THEY FIGURED OUT WHAT COMPANIES ARE GOING TO GET THIS MONEY.

TIM: THE PIPELINE.

>> THEY WILL NOT TELL THE PUBLIC.

GOT TO THROW IT THROUGHOUT.

THEY ARE NOT TELLING ANSWER ONE EXCEPT THE FEW SELECT PEOPLE.

IN THE, THAT IS SOMETHING I GATHER THE REPORT TO SAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

>> YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THOSE SELECT PEOPLE.

>> I AM NOT.

TRIED SO HARD OVER THE LAST WEEK.

>> YOU GOT GOOD COMPANY AROUND, TOO PRESIDENT?

BLOB ME.

THERE IS OTHER GOODIES IN THIS PACKAGE AS WELL.

WHATS THE HIGHLIGHT THERE?

WELL, IT IS, IT'S THE NEW SCHOLARSHIP.

ARE WE ARE TALKING $550,000 FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO GO A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY THE, LOWER AMOUNT FUSS GRING TO GO TO A PRIVATE COOL OR COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

YAO OR TRADE SCHOOL.

OR TRADE SCHOOLERS IS DRA ARE 2 GRAND YEAR.

TRADE SCHOOLER IS $2700.

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR WORKING FAMILIES, WHO ARE LOOKING AT EDUCATION COSTS AND SAY, YOU NO, THIS IS NOT GOING TO COVER EVERYTHING BUT IT IS, IT IS A GOOD START.

AND, AND, FOR REB IN AS THIS IS SOMETHING THEY PUSHED AS PART OF THE BUDGET AND SOMETHING THEY CAN TAKE CREDIT FOR AS THEY CONNECT WITH FOLKS OUT ON THE TRAIL.

>> I AM KIND OF SURPRISED THEY DID NOT DO IT.

THEY WON'T DO IT UNTIL LAME DUCK AFTER THE ELECTION AFTER THE TAX CUT PIECE.

THAT WAS SITTING OUT THERE.

I DON'T THINK THEY COULD GET THEIR ARMS AROUND IT, YET.

THAT IS FAIR AMAL IS?

I THINK SO.

I ALSO THINK THEY ARE TAKING A RISKINGS IF YOU WANT A TAX CUT.

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU LOSE THE MAJORITIES?

THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT DOG GIVE THAT TAX CUT OUT UNTIL THEY TAKE CONTROL IN 2023 RIGHT.

THEY WANT TO DO A TAX CUT.

YOU AT LOT IS AT STAKE FOR WHATP HENS IN LAME DUCK ON ELECTION DAY.

THAT IS UNDER STATEMENT.

ALL RIGHT.

TALK TO THE OTHER MAJOR SORE THINK WEEK AND FINALLY CAME TO AGREEMENT ON ALLOWING THE CLERKS, THESE POOR CLERKS , TO TEE UP, NOT COUNT THE ABSENTEE BALLOT TWOS DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION.

IS IT A BREAKTHROUGH OR NOT?

EYE THINK SO CONSIDERING THAT, THE CLERKS HAVE BASICALLY BEEN ASKING FOR THIS, PLEADING.

THEY HAVE BEEN PLEADING FOR YEARS, RIGHT.

SURE.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

SINCE 2020 LIKE IN 2020 THEY SAW RECORD NUMBER OF PEOPLE, RIGHT.

3.3 MILLION MICHIGAN VOTERS DECIDED TO TAKE UP THAT OPS, SO YEAH, THEY WERE SWAMPED BY THE BALLOTS THEN BASICALLY BENDING FOR TWOARS, HEN, HEN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, LIKE HE AT SOME POINT SAID RECOMMEND MICHIGAN FOLLOW THE LEAD OF FLORIDA WHICH ALLOWS SEVERAL WE WOULD BEES OF PREPROCESSING BALLOTS THEN BEN ON, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALSO BEEN PUSHING FOR SIMILAR THINGS, HEN, SO WHEN THEY START THE DEAL, HE SAID, WELL, THIS IS WHAT IS ON THE TABLE SO I WILL TAKE IT.

>> WELL, THEY GOT A BOAT LOAD OF STUFF IN RETURN.

THEY GOT A LOT OF ELECTION SECURITY THINGS HAVING TO DO WITH THE PAL LOT BOXES THAT YOU CAN THROW THE ABSENTEE BILLION LOTS IN.

>> CHAIN OF CUSTODY.

>> CHAIN OF CUSTODY DROP THE GOLDEN WORD FARCE GRASS ROOTS REPUBLICANS NOW.

THE WHOLE REASON WHY.

THEY SIGN TO EVERY ONE OF THESE BOXES THEY FOLLOW THEM.

IT WHITES HAS THE BALLOTS AT WHAT TIME?

MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE INSPECTORS FROM BOTH PARTIES, OVERSEEING THE PROCESS.

IN THE, THAT THERE IS VERY FEW EYES AND HANDS THAT GO ON THIS, THEN EVERYBODY SEES WHERE THESE ABSENTEE BALLOTS GO.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CHRISTINA WHO IS RUNNING FOR SECRETARY STATE TON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE KEPT HARPING ON WHY SHE DIDN'T WANT ANY PREPROCESSING OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS BUT AGAIN, WHERE THE PRACTICAL TRUMP THE POLITICAL IN THE SENSE THAT IF YOU DON'T PREPROCESS THESE ABSENTEE BALLOTS WHICH ABOUT HALF OF THE BILLION LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CAST IN NOVEMBER ARE.

WE ARE LOOKING AT WELL HALL TO THE NEXT DAY, BEFORE WE GET RESULTS IN SOME COME COMMUNITIES THAT'S GOING TO CAST THE CLOUD OVER THE ENTIRE ELECTIONS AS PEOPLE WONDERED WHY IS IT TAKING SONG LO, IS THIS FUNNY BUSINESS GOING ON AND THAT SPARKED THE WHOLE PROBLEMS IN 2020.

SECRETARY OF STATE BENSON HAS SAID IN THAT TIME PERIOD, IN THAT VACUUM, ALL SORTS OF RUMORS GET STARTED AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON AND TO DEAL WITH ALSO.

ON TOP OF THAT.

YOU ARE SHIFTING A BOAT LOAD OF WORK THAT CAN BE DONE BEFORE THE ELECTION AND TO BEFORE THE ELECTION INSTEAD OF DOING IT ON ELECTION NIGHT WHEN CLERKS HAVE ALL OF THIS OTHER, ALL OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES TO DO.

ON TOP OF THAT.

WE JUST GOT TOT SAY, TOO.

ALL OF THIS ABOUT THE BALLOT DROP BOXES.

PEOPLE CAN NAIL THESE BALLOTS END OR DRAG THEM IN.

IT US ALL KINDS OF MYTH CALL IN SOME WAYS THERE IS SOME TYPE OF MAJOR FRAUD HAPPENING AT THE BALLOT BOX ON TOP OF THAT THIS PREPROCESSING SO MAN THINK STATES ALREADY DO THIS AND MIKE SAID.

I REMEMBER.

TALKED TO HIM ON THE PHONE.

DECEMBER 2020 WE HEED TO DO THIS.

THEY JUST GOT AROUND TO DOING IT IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022 AMAZING.

THERE IS ALSO A PIECE IN HERE THAT SAID CLERKS CAN GO TO PRIVATELY OWNED BUILDINGS.

WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT.

THAT IS EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF POLLEN PRECINCTS THIS WAS SOME CONCERN THAT IN SOME COMMUNITIES LIKE SENIOR CENTER AND SO FORTH, THAT, THE CHURCH WAS NOT CLOSE MUFF.

IF YOU HAVE LIKE A COMMUNITY WHERE THIS IS LIKE A CLUBHOUSE OR SOMETHING.

THAT IS SO YOU CAN SET UP A POLLING PRESET UP IN THE CLUBHOUSES SO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY YOU KNOW GET THEIR GOLF CART AND GO DOESN'T AS APPOSED TO HAVING TO FUND A RIDE TO THE CHURCH OR A TOWNSHIP HALL.

YOU ALL HAD A CHANESS TO TALK TO THE GOVERNOR YESTERDAY.

WHAT WAS THE LEAD OUT OF THAT.

I THINK THE LEAD WAS SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY WE HAVE LEFT OVER WHICH IS $6 BILLION.

SHE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EMPHASIS PUT ON TUTORING FOR KIDS.

KIDS.

INDIVIDUAL TUTORING FOR KIDS WHO HAVE LEARNING LOSS DURING THE COVID-19 PAN DEM INIC.

HE THINK EDUCATION COULD BE A SORE SPOT.

THE THAT THE REPUBLICANS IF LOOK AT WHAT TUDOR DIXON HAS BEEN HARPING ON THE LAST PAW DAYS IT HAS BEEN ON EDUCATION EITHER IT IS TALKING ABOUT BIOLOGICAL BOYS IN SPORTS OR SHE IS TALKING ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND THE TRAINING VIDEOS THEY PUT OUT, OR THE VISION THAT SHE HAS ON EDUCATION IN GENERAL.

YOU FOLKS HAVE DONE A DEEP DIVE TO PARENTS IN SCHOOLS.

WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE INWHERE ARE THEY?

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE PARENTS WHO ARE LIKE HOT IN THIS FIGHT RIGHT.

THE, YOU KNOW, THEY, WHAT WE FOUND IS THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A CONSENSUS AS TO WHAT EXACTLY THEY WANT.

>> THEY ANGRY WELL, THEY ARE ANGRY FOR SURE.

I MEAN A LOT OF THE A RENS ARE TRUST RATED, YOU KNOW, STARTING WITH THE PAN DEM SHALL RIGHT?

LIKE YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM WERE, YOU HO HE, REALLY DRAWN TO THIS FIGHT BECAUSE OF THE MASK MANDATE BECAUSE OF THE VISION OF A POSSIBLE RACK SEEN MANDATE AND SO, SO, A LOT OF THAT THEN CAN MOVERRED INTO THE ANGER OVER CRT TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS AND K THROUGH 12 IN MICHIGAN IS TEACHING THEN, ALSO, THEN THAT HAS EVOLVED INTO OH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR CRT TO BE OUT OF SCHOOLS THEN YOU AS TEACHERS CANNOT YOU KNOW CONDUCT DIVERSITY TRAININGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CAN WE READ WON A THE LOONS HERE THAT THE DIXON CAMPAIGN HAS DONE THE CALCULUS AND THEY THINK SHOULD THE GOVERNOR THIS IS THE ACHILLES HEEL.

THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PUT ON DISPLAY HERE.

I MEAN, A HIT CALL CONSULTANT HAS SAID THAT HE BELIEVES THE TUDOR DIXON HAS SEEN POLLING THAT SAYS THIS IS WHERE SHE CAN HIT THE GOVERNOR THEN MAKE A MARK AND REALLY TRY TO CUT INTO THE LEAD THAT GOVERNOR WHITMER HAS AND EVERY PRESS CONFERENCE HAS BEEN EDUCATION RELATED IN THE LAST COWL OF WEEKS.

NOTHING ON INFLATION.

THEY SHIFTED AWAY FROM THIS ECONOMIC MESS I AM WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT HOLDING GOVERNOR WHITMER ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE FROST RACIAL WITH JOE BIDEN SO NOW YOU HAVE GOVERNOR WHITMER COUNTER MOVING TRYING TO SAY LET'S PUT MONEY TUTORING OUR TEST SCORES IN MY M RY LAGGING BEHIND OTHER STATES THAT IS A FACT.

YOU LOOK AT THE DATA ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS ACKNOWLEDGED THIS THEN OUR STATE IS NOT RECOVERED FROM THE LEARNING HOS LOSS THAT HAPPENED DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNOR, WHETHER IT IS TUDOR DISKOP OR GRETCHEN WHITMER WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

YAO IS SHE VUL NERRABLE?

>> WELL, SHE MENTIONED IT FIRST OFF.

YOU NO HE?

SO I WITH ASSUME SO.

SHE DIDN'T SEEM ALL THAT CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME WHEN ASKED ABOUT CRIME WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT TUDOR DIXON WAS TRYING TO HIT HER ON PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE WE, THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED AS WELL AND BASICALLY SHOVED IT OFF, WELL, CRIME IS HIGH EVERYWHERE.

WHAT MAKES US ANY MORE SPECIAL THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.

TIM: ALL RIGHT.

A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE THATTED A PERSON REPRESENTING THE YES VET ONAL 3 AND WELCOMING TO OFF THE RECORD.

WELCOME TO OFF THE RECORD.

NICE TO SEE YOU THIS MORNING.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO SEE THE PROGRAM TWO WEEKS AGO?

>> I DID.

TIM: WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS SHALL YOU?

>> WELL, THERE IS A COUGH THINGS I WISHED SHE WOULD HAVE SPOCK AND LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IN CLUEING THE TRUTH ABOUT PROPOSAL THREE REPEALING PARENTAL CONE SEN AND YOU KNOW, NICOLE WAS VERY CAREFUL IN THE WAY SHE TALK ABOUT RENTAL CONSENT AND SAID THERES NOTHING IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT VENTS A CHILD FROM TELLING THEIR PARENTS, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING.

PROPOSAL 3 REPEALS THE PARENTAL CONSENT REQUIRE IN OUR STATE SO THAT PARENTS DO NOT HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED OR CONSENT TO A CHALDEA BORTION, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF VOTERS TALKING ABOUT AND VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.

>> ISN'T IT TRUE IN THE PROPOSAL IT DOES NOT SAY PARENTAL CONSENT IS REPEALED?

>> IT SAYS THAT CREATES AN RIGHT OF FUNDAMENTAL INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO ABORTION.

AND MANY LEGAL EXPERTS HAVE COME FORWARD TO SAY THIS PA RENAL CONCEPT IN FACT THE AUTHORS OF THE PROPOSAL, THE CHIEF LEGAL DIRECTOR FOR THE ACLU ADMITTED THIS TO BRIDGE MICHIGAN ORIGINALLY THEN I THINK THEY REALIZE THEY SAID IT OUT LOUD AND NOW TRYING TO STEP IT BACK BECAUSE THEY REALIZED HOW UNPOP WHICH IS VOTERS.

STELLA?

>> WELL, HEY, NICE TO TALK TO YOU XANE.

YEAH.

I SEE THAT YOU MENTIONED BRIDGE MICHIGAN.

JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CHIEF LEGAL DIRECTOR OF ACLU DID IN ONE PIECE, I THINK WAITS BACK IN THE SPRING SAY SHE YOU DID NOT DISPUTE THE CLAIM BUT DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YES THIS WILL REPEAL PARENTAL CONSENT.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHEN YOU SAY, IT REPEALS PARENTAL CONSENT, MAIN, I HAVE TALKED TO LAW PROFESSORS AS WELL THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT ANY CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT IS PAD DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY STRIKE ANSWER LAW ON THE BOOKS, OFF THE BOOKS, SO AND ALSO, ALSO, KNOW, DOESN'T, DOESN'T PARENTAL CONCEPT, SOME MINORS DO NOT NEED PARENTAL CONSENT RIGHT NOW.

AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A COURT WAIVER, SET UP THAT TRUE?

>> THAT IS TRUE.

S THAT TRUE.

THERE IS A BACKUP FOR THE COURT.

HOWEVER, THIS LANGUAGE IS VERY CLEAR AND MANY LEGAL EGGS EXPERTS ARE COME FORWARDED TO SAY WHEN YOU HAVE, BROAD SWEEPING VERY CLEAR LANGUAGE ON WHAT THIS WILL DO, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO REPEAL THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE BEEN OUR STATE SURROUNDING ABORTION AND INCLUDING OUR PARENTAL CONSENT LAWS SURROUNDING ABORTION THEN IT IS NOT JUST THAT BUT ALSO OUR LAWS LIMITING ABORTION AND LEGAL THROUGH PIRTH IN THIS STATE AND ALSO REPEALS HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS ON ABORTION CLINGS ALLOWING THEM TO SELF-REGULATE WHICH WE DIDN'T ALLOW ANSWER OTHER PART OF THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY TO DO.

>> THE QUESTION ABOUT ABORTION, UP UNTIL PIRTH THE PROPOSAL DOES SAY THAT THE STATE HAS, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE ABORTION VIABILITY.

SO THIS CAN BE RESTRICTIONS PUT ON THIS.

IT ITS NOT ABORTION UNTIL PIRTH ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES AND UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES INTO PEPPER TU TY.

WELL, TWO THINGS, FIRST IT SAYS THE STATE CAN RESTRICT.

BUT NOTHING IN PROPOSAL 3 THAT RESTRICTS IT IN ANSWERWAY.

THE SECOND THING IT DOES IS GUESS TON CREATE A LOOPHOLE SOING ABOUT YOU CAN DRIVE A TRUCK THROUGH IT BY SAYING THE TATE CANNOT RESTRICT ABORTION AFTER VIABILITY IF IT IS NEEDED FOR A WOMAN'S MENTAL OR PHYSICAL HEALTH, AND THOSE ARE NOT DEFINED.

I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO ARE PREGNANT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU ASK THEM IF REG SY HAS IMPACT THE PHYSICAL OR MENTAL HEALTH THEY WILL TELL YOU YES.

THIS LAN GAG IS ESINCELY TYING THE STATE'S HANDS FROM REGULATING ABORTION IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY.

>> HAVE YOU SEEN ANY MOVEMENT IN THE POLLING NOT ABOUT, HEY, THIS IS HOW PEOPLE FEEL AFTER THEY GET OUR MESSAGING, BUT JUST IN THE POINT ABOUT THE LANGUAGE OF PROPOSAL 3.

YOU HAVE SEEN ANY MOVEMENT THE VOTERS ARE CONNECTING AT ALL WELL WHAT YOUR GROUP IS ARGUE ON THE AIRWAVES NOW?

IN FACT REBEEN OUT ON THE GROUND HAVING MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH VOTERS AND PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ABORTION ISSUE WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW EXTREME THIS LANGUAGE IS AND ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT SO IF IT IS PASSED, WE ARE STUCK WITH THE CONSEQUENCES INTENDED OR UNTINNED LIKELY FOREVER.

>> BUT THE POLLING THAT HAS BEEN OUT THERE SO FAR HAS SHOWN THAT MAJORITY OF MICHIGAN LIKELY VOTERS SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL, HE IS IT GETTING RONG ARE YOU SEEING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT ALL THE PUBLIC POLLS ARE FINING?

WELL THE POLLS THAT I HAVE SEEN ARE ASKING IF VOTERS THINK THAT ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL.

BUT WHEN YOU DIVE INTO THE SPECIFICS ON SHOULD IT BE LEGAL UNTIL PIRTH IN YOUR CONSTITUTION?

SHOULD PARENTAL CONSENT BE REPEALED SHOULD HEALTH AND SAFETY REG LAGSES ON ABORTION CLINGS BE LIFTED?

THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.

THINGS THAT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AND OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSED TO DOING?

ARE YOU AT ALL CONCERNED THAT PEM AT THE END OF THE DAY WILL CONCEDE TO THE POINT ON PA RENAL CONSENT BUT THE END OF THE DAY RESTORING THE RIGHT OF THE WOMAN TOM CHOOSE TRUMPS THAT?

>> I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SPENT THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH SO MANY VOTERS, WHO ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE BUT BELIEVE THAT PROPOSAL 3 IS TOO EXTREME AND SIMPLY GOES TOO FOR AND SO MUCH WRAPPED UP IN THE TEXT OF THIS AMENDMENT THAT VOTERS ARE OVERWHELMEDLY OPPOSED TO THEN WE ARE SEEING THAT EVERY DAY AS PEOPLE POUR OUT TO GET INVOLVED OR PLEDGE TO VOTE NO.

>> THERE IS A MOVEMENT AFOOT TO RUN COMEMERSIONS TO VOTE NO ON THE PROPOSALS SH.

IF YOU BEEN PREPARED BY THAT GROUP TO ENTER TO THAT PHASE OF THIS CAMPAIGN?

YOU KNOW, I CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE.

THEN, WE WILL.

LET'S ASSUME THEY CALLED UP THIS AFTERNOON AND JOIN US IN GETTING A NO HAVE ON EVERYTHING.

WOULD YOU JUMP IN?

>> I THINK WE ARE GOING TO STAY FOCUSED ON TELLING PEOPLE THE REALITY OF WHAT PROPOSAL THREE WILL DID AND USING EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE VOTERS ON HOW EXTREME AND FAR-REACHING AND DANGEROUS THIS IS FOR THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN OUR STATE.

ALSO ARE LISTEN.

MICHIGAN'S WOMEN DESERVE BETTER THAN WHAT IS IN PROPOSAL 3 AND WE WILL TURN OUT TO VOTE NO IN NOVEMBER.

>> HAVE TALKED TO ANYBODY ABOUT A COMPROMISE MAYBE?

INSTEAD OF THE 1931 HAW COMPARED TO PROPOSAL.

ARE YOU OPEN TO SOMETHING ELSE?

LIKE ABORTION UP TO TEP WEEKS OR 15 WEEKORS SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

THIS IS A CONVERSATION YOU GET INVOLVED IN?

>> WELL, I AM PART OF A COALITION THAT HAS FORMED SPECIFICALLY TO DEFEAT PROPOSAL 3.

SO THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR SOMEONE ELSE BUT I WELL TELL YOU THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ABORTION ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THEY ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE NEED TO BE HAVING.

BUT PROPOSAL IS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR MICHIGAN BECAUSE IT IS JUST GOES TOO FAR.

SO YOUR GRAPING OPEN TOP THE POSSIBILITY OF RESTRICTIONS.

THEY ARE NOT WHETTED TO THE 1931 LAW AS BOOING THE END ALL-BE ALL?

>> LOOK SAID.

THIS IS COALITION THAT FORMS SPECIFICALLY TO DEFEAT PREASAL 38 YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK THOSE PACIFIC COALITION MEMBERS.

BUT THE FACT REMANS THAT PROPOSAL 3 IS TOO RADICAL, IT IS TOOTREME FOR MICHIGAN.

WE HAVE TO VOTE NO.

>> OK.

I WANT TO ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE LANGUAGE.

YOUR GROUP HAS SAID THIS WOULD GET RID OF STATUTORY RAPE LAW, THIS WOULD GET RID OF, YOU KNOW, BAN ON PROSTITUTION, AND IN THE YOU MENTIONED TODAY, IT WOULD GET RID OF A HEALTH IN SPECSES YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENT AND THE PROPOSALS SPECIFICALLY SAYS, THAT THE STATE CAN REGULATE AS LONG AS IT CAN DEMONSTRATE COMPELLING STATE INTERESTS AND IT CAN REGULATE INTO THE LEAST EINSTRUCTIVE MEANS HOW IS IT NOT A COMPELLING STATE IN FROM TOAST MAKE SURE THESE ABORTION CLINICS ARE UP TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH STANDARD LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE WELL, SUB SECTION 4 PROPOSAL 3 REWRITES THE DEFINITION OF ACCEPTED CLINICAL STANDARD OF RACK IS AND BECAUSE ACCEPTED CLINICAL TAN DARED OF RACK IS ARE LIKELY ESTABLISHED BY THE ABORTION CLINGS THEMSELVES, ABORTION IS IS WOULD LIKELY NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE HEALTH AND SAFETY REGULATIONS OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING, THIS IS REWAITING THAT IMPORTANT PART OF OUR LAW, FRANKLY, A DANGEROUS WAY, NO OTHER PART OF THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY IS ABLE TO SELF-REGULATE LIKE THAT.

>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSAL 3 UNSAYING YOU WERE HERE TO JUST OPPOSE PROPOSAL 3.

DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IF PROPOSAL 3 DOES FAIL, THAT THIS 18931 LAW COULD TAKE EFFECT EVENTUALLY?

>> MAY.

AS I SAID, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE HAVING WITH OUR ELECTED OHS AS THAT WE ELECT TO HELP US WORK THROUGH THESE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.

NO THREE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VARIOUS BELIEFS ABOUT ABORTION, IN THIS TATE, BUT PROPOSAL 3 IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

I GOES TOO FAR BY ENSHRINING EXTREME POLICIES INTO OUR STATE CONSTITUTION FOREVER.

TIM: YOUR TAKE ON THE KANSAS VOTE, DO YOU THINK THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN HERE?

WHAT ARE YOU DOG PREVENT THAT?

>> I DON'T.

WE ARE NOT SEEING THIS FROM VOTERS.

THEY SO CONCERNED PRESIDENT?

YOU KNOW, CHANCES IN MICHIGAN WILL NOT COMPARE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS BUT ONE THING WE SAW IN KANSAS THAT WE ARE HE SEEING HERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSING ABOUT THE AMENDMENT TEXAN VOTERS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FINAL LINES SAYING IT REPEALS ALL OF THESE STATE LAWS THAT CONFLICT WITH IT AND HAVE NOT COME OUT WITH A LIST OF WHAT THAT INCLUDES THEN WE HAD LEGAL EXPERTS COME FORWARD A WHOLE LIST OF CONCERNS OF WHAT THAT MAY INCLUDE THEN THE OTHER SIDE HAS NOT AND VOTERS DESERVE TO KNOW AND THAT IS JUST ONE PIECE OF THE CONFUSIONS THAT THEY AREERN CANNED ABOUT M. WHAT ARE THE PIECES THAT THEY USE THE LISTEN GAUGE THEY USED IN KANSAS THEY ARE NOW USING HERE THAT THIS IS A GOVERNMENT MANDATE THIS THIS IS GOVERNMENT COMING IN AND RU WING AND TAKING AND TELLING YOU HOW TO RUN YOUR LIFE.

WILL THAT RESONATE WITH PEOPLE?

>> I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO PA RENAL CONSENT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM A LOT OF VOTERS THIS E ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT TAKING AWAY PARENTAL CONCEPT FOREVER BY ENSHRINING.

>> OTHERS WHO ARE CONCERNED THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING AWAY THE WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

I AM SORRY.

TIM: HE HER TO SIDE IS PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING THE WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE?

>> WELL, PROPOSAL 3 IS PUTTING EXTREME POLICIES INTO OROGENYTUTION AI LOOING ABORTION UNTIL BIRTH BUY IS SOMETHING THAT VOTOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY DO NOT SUPPORT.

70% OF VOTERS THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME RESTRICTION ON ABORTION.

YET THIS WOULD REPEAL ALL OF THEM LIKELY FOREVER.

>> ARE YOU GUYS GETTING ANY PUSH -- DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE VOLUNTEERS GOING OUT AND DOING CANVASSING NOW THAT YOU HAD 84-YEAR-OLD VOLUNTEER GET SHOT IN THE BACK LAST WEEKEND?

>> WELL, THANK GOD, SHE IS RECOVERING AND WHAT A BRAVE SOUL.

BUT OUR MESSAGE TO OUR SUPPORTERS HAS BEEN TO FOLLOW OUR SAFETY STANDARD AS THIS E ARE OUT AND HOPEFULLY IT WITH WILL BE ISOLATED INCIDENT BUT NO, I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT, EVERYDAY, WORKING SO HARD, AND I DON'T WANT THAT INCIDENT TO REPREVENT ANYONE FROM FOLLOWING THEIR CONSCIOUS, GETTING OUT TO SPREAD THE WORD, HEN, THEN, USING THEIR FREE SPEECH TO PROTECT OUR STATE FROM THE DANGERS OF THIS PROPOSAL.

>> THE PEM ON YOUR TEAM BELIEVE THAT GETTING THIS PROPOSAL DEFEATED IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE NEXT GOVERNOR IS IN MICHIGAN.

>> I THINK IT IS.

I THINK IT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS.

>> MORE IMPORTANT.

MORE IMPORTANT.

>> MORE IMPORTANT?

>> WELL, I THINK, IT MAY DEPEND WHO YOU ASK.

BUT I KNOW THAT PROPOSAL 3 IS A CONSAL AMENDMENT.

SO IF THIS PASSES, WE ARE STUCK WITH THE CONSEQUENCES INTENDED OR UNINTENDED LIKELY FOREVER.

IT IS THAT READY TO GET RID OF A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT SO THIS IS, THIS IS A BIG FIGHT BEFORE US.

A BIG DECISION FOR US HERE IN MICHIGAN.

AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK, VOTERS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW BROAD AND EXTREME THIS LANGUAGE IS.

>> FOLLOWING OUP THAN QUESTION, IN YOUR MUND, BROADER PICTURE HERE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ANTIABORTION MOVEMENT IN MICHIGAN IF PROPOSAL 3 PASSES?

I MEAN, DOES IT GO AWAY?

WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT FIGHT FOR YOU ALL?

>> WELL, WE ARE PLANNING ON FEETING PROPOSAL 3.

BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO PROTECT WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THIS STATE.

NO ONE IS GOING TO GIVE UP IF THIS PASSES.

WOMEN DESERVE BETTER THAN WHAT PROPOSAL 3 IS OFFERING US.

WE ARE GOING TO TURN OUT TO VOTE NO BECAUSE OF HOW DANGEROUS WE FEEL IT IS FOR OUR STATE.

THEN BUT IF IT DOES PASS, WE WILL CONTINUE TO IDENTIFYING TO PROTECT OUR STATE FROM WHATEVER DANGERS IT PUTS FORTH.

WILL YOU SPEND $20 MILLION TO GET A NO VOTE ON THIS PROPOSAL?

I AM NOT SHEER TO TALK ABOUT CAMPAIGN TRAGEDY BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WE WILL WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE EVERY VOTER KNOWS WHAT IS WRAPPED UP IN PROPOSAL 3'S TEXT.

WAS THIS A YES TO MY QUESTION?

>> IT WAS A YES OR NO A.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING ON THE PROGRAM.

WE AISH ATE.

ALSO, THANKS TO YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE.

EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE WEEKEND.

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