>> WELCOME BACK.

WE HAVE A GUEST FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF MICHIGAN AND OUR LEAD STORY IS THE STATE'S HIGHEST COURT TO TAKE ACTION ON THREE BALLOT PROPOSALS THAT YOU WILL DOWN THE SIDE.

ON THE PANEL KYLE ZOE AND JONATHAN SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT OFF THE RECORD.

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AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD.

>> WELCOME BACK.

DID YOU HEAR THE COLLECTIVE SIGH OF RELIEF AMONG ALL THE DEMOCRATS FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AT THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION WHETHER THEY SIGN A RELEASE?

>> THEY RULED BOTH THE REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL AND THE VOTERS NOT POLITICIANS TO NOT BALLOT PROPOSAL WILL BE ON THE BALLOT REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL WILL BE PROPOSAL THREE OF THE VOTERS NOT POLITICIANS PROPOSAL WHICH WILL ARGUABLY EXPAND THE VOTING RIGHTS TO PEOPLE WILL BE PROPOSAL TO KNOW HIM.

>> WHY ARE THEY HAPPY?

>> VOTERS CAN PARTICIPATE IN BOTH BALLOT QUESTIONS AND THEORETICALLY DRIVE TURNOUT AND ENTHUSIASM AMONG VOTERS WHO WANT TO GO OUT AND MAKE SURE ABORTION LEGALIZATION IS ENSHRINED IN THE CONSTITUTION AND THAT MORE VOTING RIGHTS ARE PUT BEFORE VOTERS FOR THEIR APPROVAL TO DRIVE TURNOUT FOR DEMOCRATS.

>> ARE REPUBLICANS HAPPY AS WELL >> IT DEPENDS UPON WHICH REPUBLICANS YOU TALK ABOUT BUT ALL OF THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE LAST WEEK THE BOARD OF STATE CANVASES DEADLOCKED AND THE TWO REPUBLICANS ON THE BOARD FOR TWO SEPARATE REASONS IN PROMOTING THE VOTE 2022 AND REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT CHALLENGES AND SO THEY DEADLOCKED.

I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT REPUBLICANS DON'T IN NOVEMBER OR BEGINNING AN ABSENTEE VOTING BEFORE THEN AND DEADLOCKED ON THE VOTE AND THAT THE SUPREME COURT SAYS YOU NEED TO PUT THEM ON AND THE BOARD SHOULD DO IT TODAY.

>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT POLLING AT A LATER SPECIFIC TO THIS BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY IS THAT ABORTION IS NOW THE TOP ISSUES FOR VOTERS IN THE STATE SURPASSING INFLATION AND TO THE ECONOMY -- INFLATION AND THE ECONOMY.

>> REPUBLICANS HAD HIGH LEVELS OF MOTIVATION TO VOTE BECAUSE OF FRUSTRATION OVER THIS AND THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HIGH MOTIVATION TO VOTE AS WELL PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF ABORTION IT WILL BE BIG AND WE KNOW DEMOCRATS THINK IF THEY GET A HIGH TURNOUT TURNOUT ELECTION THEY TEND TO DO PRETTY WELL REMEMBER 2018 WHEN WITMER WON IN MARIJUANA WAS ON THE BALLOT THAT YEAR AND DROVE OUT MANY VOTERS.

>> ARE YOU SURPRISED BY THIS?

>> I WAS NOT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING BACK TO THE PARTISAN.

WHERE REPUBLICAN NOMINATED JUSTICES AND DEMOCRATIC NOMINATED JUSTICES WENT TO THEIR CORNER AND STARTED FIRING SHOTS AT EACH OTHER.

WE HAD A REPRIEVE FROM THAT FOR A FEW YEARS BUT WE HAVE GONE BACK TO IT.

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS VERY BASIC ARGUMENT.

AS THE BORDER STATE CANVASSERS HAVE THE AUTHORITY YES OR NO TO REJECT A BALLOT PROPOSAL AT FOR A TYPO.

THAT WAS HOLDING UP THE REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL THING THAT SHOULD BE A BASIC QUESTION WELL TRODDEN IN THE LAW AND YET THEY WENT TO THE RESPECTIVE CORNERS AND FIRED SAT AT EACH OTHER BASED ON THE QUESTION IS IF THEY'VE NEVER DECIDED THIS BEFORE WHICH THEY HAVE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WASN'T SURPRISING BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS A PARTISAN THE PROPOSAL WHETHER PASSES ARE NOT THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO KEEP ABORTION LEGAL IN MICHIGAN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

>> IT'S INTERESTING IN THE CHIEF JUSTICE'S CONCURRENCE BASICALLY SAYING IT'S A SAD MARKER ON THIS DAY OR SOMETHING TO THAT SORT ABOUT THE IDEA OF DISENFRANCHISING MORE THAN 700,000 FOLKS WHO SIGNED ONTO THE BALLOT AND I THINK THAT'S THE BACKGROUND AND ALL OF THIS THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER IS THAT IT IS A HISTORIC NUMBER OF FOLKS SIGNING ONTO THE BALLOT THE MOST IN THE HISTORY OF MICHIGAN AND THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW YOU WOULD NOT ALLOW IT ON THE BALLOT WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A LEGAL REASON YOU HAVE TO HISTORICALLY LOOK AT HOW MANY AND WHAT IS THE ENTHUSIASM OF WHAT APPEARS APPEARS VOTERS IN MICHIGAN'S HAVE TOGETHER ON THE BALLOT TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT.

IS A LEGAL ARGUMENT BEING PRESENTED REGARDING THE PETITION ITSELF?

I DID NOT SEE A HOOK.

THE WORD TO RUNNING TOGETHER.

THAT'S THE WORD TO RUNNING TOGETHER.

>> AND THE ARGUMENT IS THAT GERMANE TO THE FORM OF THE POSITION AND THAT SOMETHING THE STATE CANVASSERS HAVE DOMAIN OVER THEY COULD APPROVE THE FORM OF THE PETITION BUT THEY CANNOT HAVE A SAY IN THE CONTENT OF THE PETITION AND SO DID THEY OVERSTEP THEIR BOUNDARIES BY DCIDING UPON THE CONTENT OF THE PROPOSAL OF THE SUPREME COURT SAID THEY DID APPEAR >> THIS WAS THE ISSUE ABOUT THE ACTUAL SPACING BETWEEN WORDS OF WHICH SHE DID SOME INVESTIGATIVE RESEARCH ON HIS COMPUTER AND DID A VIDEO ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS SPACING ARE NOT.

>> YES WE GOT A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL PDF SENT THE SECRETARY OF STATE NOT THE SCANNED COPY FROM THE WEBSITE WE COPY PASTED IT PUT IT INTO ANOTHER WORD PROCESSING PROGRAM AND SURE ENOUGH TECHNICALLY THE CODE THERE ARE SPACES BETWEEN THE WORDS.

YOU CAN'T SEE THEM ON THE PAGE BUT THEY DO EXIST SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

>> NOW THIS WILL BE AN INTERESTING CAMPAIGN.

>> I THINK OF THE ABORTION ONE LOTS OF MONEY WILL BE SPENT OUTSIDE MONEY AND POSSIBLY MORE THAN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHT TO PRO-LIFE SIDE ALREADY RESERVED A LOT OF AIR TIME THIS IS GOING TO GET EXPENSIVE WE WILL SEE A LOT ON THIS.

>> REALLY NOW THERE WILL BE THREE QUESTIONS ON THE BALLOT THAT WILL HAVE HUGE IMPLICATIONS ABOUT MICHIGAN'S FUTURE.

ABORTION RIGHTS I THINK YOU CAN'T OVER TALK ABOUT THE HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE NATION RIGHT NOW IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

PROMOTE THE VOTE WOULD ALLOW NINE DAYS OF EARLY VOTING AND ENSHRINED THE ABILITY TO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BRING YOUR ID TO GO AND VOTE IF YOU FORGET IT.

YOU CAN SIGN THE AFFIDAVIT AND ISSUE THE FOLKS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS AND YEARS IS A ISSUE IN THE STATE AND FINALLY THE ONE I THINK THAT'S GETTING SHORTCHANGED BECAUSE THESE TWO ARE SO HUGE IS THE POSSIBLE CHANGING OF IN THE STATE AS WELL AS THE REQUIREMENT OF FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES.

THESE ARE THREE REALLY BIG PROPOSALS THAT FOLKS WILL BE VOTING ON ON TOP OF THE GOVERNOR THE GOVERNOR'S SECRETARY OF STATE ATTORNEY ATTORNEY GENERAL THREE CONGRESSIONAL -- 13 CONGRESSIONAL SEATS THE ENTIRE STATE HAS THE ENTIRE STATE SENATE THIS IS HUGE.

>> LETS TALK WITH THE POLLING AND THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

>> THE DETROIT NEWS WAS PUTTING UP NEW NUMBERS THAT AS WITMER AHEAD BY 13 POINTS OVER DIXON.

I THINK WITMER WENT DOWN A COUPLE POINTS.

>> 15 IN THE POLE AND 48 MYSTICS AND WENT DOWN FIVE POINTS.

>> IT'S NOT RUNNING AWAY WITH A POPULARITY CONTEST BUT YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY IF YOU'RE THAT CAMPAIGN YOU'RE AROUND THE MAGICAL 50 PERCENT NUMBER YOU HAVE A 13-POINT LEAD AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY DOESN'T APPEAR TO DO DIXON HAS THE MONEY TO GET OUT ON TV AND MAKE A REAL DENT IN THAT WE WILL SEE WHETHER THE SUPER PAC THAT SUPPORTS ARE IN THE PRIMARY THAT WAS FUNDED BY THE FAMILY WILL KICK IT ENOUGH CASH TO GET HER UP RIGHT NOW WITMER HAS A 28 AND ONE CASH ADVANTAGE WITH THE 22 MONTHS OR THIS IS TO AND A HALF MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION AND SO SHE WILL BE ABLE TO STAY UP ON THE AIRWAVES SHE ALREADY IS AND RUN COMMERCIALS WHICH ARE AN EFFECTIVE WAY OF REACHING VOTERS SO IT WILL BE HARD FOR TUTOR DIXON TO MAKE UP THAT GROUND WITHOUT RESOURCES TO DO SO.

>> I THINK THE POLLING IS PRETTY MUCH SETTLED IN AT RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE WITMER UP WITH THE LEAD AND YOU CAN QUIBBLE OVER WHETHER IT'S FIVE OR 13 PERCENT BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WITMER IS UP AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING SEISMIC TO MAKE THINGS CHANGE PEOPLE HAD GONE INTO THE CORNERS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INDEPENDENCE AND UNDECIDED VOTERS ISN'T ALL THAT LARGE YOU KNOW YOU COULD SAY WELL MAYBE WITMER'S NUMBERS GOING DOWN INTO THE UNDECIDED CATEGORY HELPS DIXON BUT WE HAVE TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN ON THE DIXON CAMPAIGN IN ORDER TO MOVE THE NUMBERS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IT IS THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK WITMER IS ON CRUISE CONTROL.

>> YES 60 DAYS UNTIL THE ELECTION AND IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE YOU WANT TO BE ON TEAM WITMER SIDE YOU WANT TO BE GRETCHEN WITMER GOING INTO NOVEMBER 8th.

>> WE DO HAVE A DEBATE THAT MYSTICS HAS AGREED TO ON OCTOBEF THAT?

>> I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE GETTING ONE WE WILL SEE IF THERE ARE OTHERS I THINK THEY ARE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THE CANDIDATES ON STAGE A DEBATING THE ISSUES TO BETTER THE STATE OF COURSE PERSONALLY I GET SICK OF THE DEBATE OVER DEBATE I MEAN WITMER HAD IN THE POLLS THAT NECESSARILY HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO DEBATE DIXON WANTED EARLIER DEBATES SHE HAS ABSENTEE BALLOTS AVAILABLE STARTING SEPTEMBER 24 th SHE WANTED DEBATES BEFORE THAT POINT I WOULD GET THE ABSENTEE BALLOT AND VOTE AND THEY PROBABLY HAVE A MIND MADE UP ALREADY SO THERE WILL BE UNDECIDED VOTERS TO -- THERE ARE UNDECIDED VOTERS WHO WILL STILL BE IN PLAY DURING THE OCTOBER DEBATE.

I'M SAD WE WON'T DEBATE IN THE OCTOBER ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RATE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A POLITICAL EVENT OF HERE.

FOR THE GOVERNOR'S RACE I'M GLAD YOU'RE GETTING AT.

>> IT GOES TO SHOW WE NEED INDEPENDENT DEBATE COMMISSION LIKE THE FEDERAL LEVEL THIS IS GOTTEN ABSURD TO REALLY JUST HAVE IT BOILED DOWN TO TWO PERSONALITIES TAKING SHOTS AT EACH OTHER AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S GOVERNOR SECRETARY OF STATE OR ATTORNEY GENERAL OR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ESTABLISHING THE LONGER THE CANDIDATES GET DOWN AND HAVE TO DEBATE THREE TIMES THREE DIFFERENT MEDIA MARKETS IT CANNOT BE THAT HARD TO CRAFT THEY DID AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL BECAUSE THIS DEBATE ON DEBATE IS GETTING OLD.

>> AND A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE EVERYBODY SHOTS THAT SHOUTS OUT THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA WE NEED A VENUE FOR TWO CANDIDATES TO GET TOGETHER AT THE PUBLIC AND SEE THEM FACE TO FACE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND.

IT'S GOTTEN ABSURD WE DON'T HAVE A SECULAR STATE DEBATE OR ATTORNEY GENERAL DEBATE MAYBE WE CAN GET THIS ONE GOVERNOR'S RACE OF GOLLY SHOULD WE BE THANKFUL NOW THAT WE GOT TWO SIDES OF COME TOGETHER ON THIS?

YOU MUST TO GIVE US AN COMMENT ON THAT SPIRIT >> MORE THAN MEN THE GOSPEL.

THE BLOCK, IT'S NOT THAT DEEP IT'S NOT.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT AND THAT YOU KNOW WHAT DRIVING THIS NONE OF THE CANDIDATES FEEL THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE ELECTORATE TO SPEAK TO THE ELECTORATE WHAT'S OBLIGATION THEY HAVE?

TO WIN.

CAN I GET A COMMENT ON THAT.

>> WHAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN TO JONATHAN'S POINT ABOUT THE MONEY GAME IS INSTEAD OF A DEBATE WHAT ELECTION IS JUST EVERY POSSIBILITY OF ADVERTISEMENT ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS I MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WILL BE SPENT FOR A QUICK LITTLE YOUTUBE VIGNETTES BEFORE YOU COLLECT AND LITTLE EIGHT SECONDS AND THEN 30 SECONDS ON TV THAT IS WHAT THE VOTERS WILL REALLY BE BURIED IN BEFORE NOW AND NOVEMBER UNFORTUNATELY NOT A LONGFORM CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHERE THE CANDIDATES STAND.

>> IT'S PART OF A LARGER TREND OF CAMPAIGNS WANTED TO CONTROL THEIR OWN MESSAGE AND HAVING A NEW ABILITY TO DO SELDOM APPEAR >> I DO UNDERSTAND THAT AND IT WON'T CHANGE BECAUSE OUR JOB IS TO INFORM THE PUBLIC THEIR JOB IS TO WIN AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T MEET AND WE SEE THAT NOW.

OKAY LET'S MOVE ON THEM WITH THE YOUNG LADY WHO IS PUSHING A CAMPAIGN FOR A YES VOTE ON PROPOSAL THREE AND TO TELL US WHAT THE NEXT MOVE IS AND WELCOMED OFF THE >> HELLO EVERYONE THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING.

AS YOU HAVE MENTIONED TODAY IN STATE CANVASSERS IS NEEDING PER THE DIRECTION OF THE MICHIGAN SUPREME COURT TO AFFIRM THAT THE REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL CAMPAIGN DID IN FACT SUBMIT AND IT IS THE -- THE REQUISITE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES OF THE MOST SIGNATURES EVER IN OR PETITION CIRCULATION DRIVE WERE SUBMITTED AND THAT THE DIRECTOR OF THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS DID AFFIRM THAT OVER 150,000 SIGNATURES ABOVE THE 459,000 THAT WERE REQUIRED WERE SUBMITTED BY OUR FFA FROM THERE WE WILL LAUNCH A FULL CAMPAIGN AND TALKING WITH THE VOTERS AND KNOCKING ON DOORS MAKING PHONE CALLS ARE BEING UP ON THE AIRWAVES ABOUT PROPOSAL THREE AND LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT THEIR CHOICE IS ABOUT ABORTION HERE IN MICHIGAN.

>> TWO HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT IN MIND THAT IS YOUR TARGET TO DO THIS CAMPAIGN?

IS IT AROUND 10 MILLION?

>> WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE REACHING VOTERS AND AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER BEING ON LIVE TV IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO DO THAT IN A STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THE RESOURCES NEEDED IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

>> WAS 10 MILLION IN NUMBER?

AM I IN THE BALLPARK?

>> YOU ARE IN JOURNALISM AND TELEVISION AND SO THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE A FLUID I THINK AS WE BEGIN TO MOVE INTO UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY HOW MUCH WE NEEDED TO RUN A FULL-FLEDGED CAMPAIGN AND TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE COMMERCIAL TIME IN THESE MEDIA MARKETS THAT WE NEEDED.

WE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REACHING VOTERS AND ALL THE MEDIA MARKETS OF MICHIGAN.

>> I AM CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR PLANS FOR INOCULATING THE CAMPAIGN FROM THE ATTACKS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEGUN AND WILL CONTINUE THROUGH NOVEMBER SAYING THE PROPOSAL IS TOO BROAD I'M CURIOUS HOW MUCH IS GET OUT THE VOTE ABOUT THIS ISSUE VERSUS HOW MUCH WILL IT BE DEFENSE?

>> PROPOSAL THREE DOES SOMETHING SIMPLE WHICH IS RESTORE ALL THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE HAD UNDER ROE VERSUS WADE IT'S A COMMON SENSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD PROPOSAL VOTERS NOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED IN THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GARNER BY HAVING DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH VOTERS HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE THAT WE STILL HAVE A 1931 LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT HAS NOT BEEN REPEALED IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS PROPOSAL WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ASSURANCES WILL HAVE A RIGHT TO ABORTION AS THIS IS WHERE WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN TALKING WITH VOTERS MICHIGAN VOTERS ARE INTELLIGENT AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE WE ARE NOT TAKING THAT FOR GRANTED BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY AND OUR LOT AND SOMETHING WE HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF ABORTION IS THAT THE VOTERS DON'T SEE IT AS A PARTISAN OR POLITICAL ISSUE THEY SEE IT AS A PERSONAL ISSUE FOR THEM, A MEDICAL AND HEALTH CARE ISSUE FOR THEM AND THEY DO NOT WANT POLITICIANS GETTING INVOLVED THAT IS WHAT IS AT STAKE.

>> DOES THIS BALLOT PROPOSAL LEGALIZE ABORTION UP TO NINE MONTHS?

>> NO IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT IS A RHETORIC OR A TALKING POINT THAT COMES FROM THE OPPOSITION.

>> IT DOES NOT?

>> THERE ARE LAWS THAT HIGHLY REGULATED MICHIGAN WHAT ABORTION CAN DEAL -- DO, WHO CAN PROVIDE AN ABORTION WE DON'T THINK TALKING IS A TRUE STATEMENT OR A TRUE REFLECTION OF WHAT OUR PORTS -- OF WHAT OUR PROPOSAL IS ANY DOCTOR CAN TELL YOU THAT EVERY PREGNANCY IS DIFFERENT DOCTORS NEED TO HAVE THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY MAKE MEDICAL HEALTH CARE DECISIONS IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.

>> DOESN'T ALLOW FOR PARENTAL CONSENT FOR MINORS SEEKING ABORTION.

>> THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR PROPOSAL THAT WOULD PREVENT PARENTS BEING INVOLVED IN THAT THEIR CHILDREN'S MEDICAL DECISIONS AND THAT DOES INCLUDE MEDICAL CONSENT THAT FALLS IN THE SAME CATEGORY OF BEING HIGHLY REGULATED THEY'RE ALL LAWS AROUND AROUND CONSENT AND THOSE LAWS ARE NOT DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY OUR PROPOSAL.

>> TO THAT POINT, CRITICS ARE RAISING THAT ISSUE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PARENTAL CONSENT MICHIGAN HAS A 1991 PARENTAL CONSENT LAW REQUIRING MINORS TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE PARENTS OR COURT THAT THEY WANT TO GET AN ABORTION AND YOUR PROPOSAL WOULD GUARANTEE AN INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT TO ABORTION AND NOT AN ADULT INDIVIDUAL AND INDIVIDUAL WOULD THIS PROPOSAL INVALIDATE THE 1991 PARENTAL CONSENT LAW?

>> THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR PROPOSAL THAT PREVENTS PARENTS FROM BEING INVOLVED IN THEIR CHILDREN'S MEDICAL DECISIONS.

>> SURE BUT WOULD INVALIDATE THE LAW IT'S OPTIONAL WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE >> FOR THIS TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AGAIN THIS FALLS UNDER THE TOPIC OF THE LAWS THAT HIGHLY REGULATE HOW ABORTIONS ARE GOVERNED IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND AGAIN THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR PROPOSAL THAT PREVENTS PREVENT DESK PREVENTS PARENTAL CONSENT OF PARENTS BEING INVOLVED IN THE CHILDREN'S MEDICAL DECISIONS THIS IS A TALKING POINT THAT THE OPPOSITION HAS USED TO INCITE FEAR IN PEOPLE AND ALSO IT IS A DISTRACTION TO THE ISSUE BECAUSE THE FACT REMAINS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE PROPOSAL THREE NO ONE WILL HAVE THE CHOICE, NO ONE WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO DECIDE.

>> IF THE OTHER SIDE SAYS IN ONE OF THEIR COMMERCIALS THAT A DOCTOR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION COULD PERFORM AN ABORTION AT NINE MONTHS WOULD THAT AND BE INACCURATE?

THAT'S WHAT THAT AD BE INACCURATE.

>> IT WOULD BE INACCURATE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE IN ACCOUNT THE CURRENT LAWS THAT GOVERN ABORTION HERE IN MICHIGAN AND AS I STATED BEFORE THIS PROPOSAL RESTORES WHAT WE HAVE HAD UNDER ROE VERSUS WADE UNDER ROE VERSUS WADE AND WHAT WE HAVE THERE ARE LAWS THAT ALLOW FOR REGULATION OF ABORTION AT THE POINT OF FETAL VIABILITY THIS PROPOSAL DOES THE SAME.

WE ARE LOOKING TO RESTORE THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE HAD UNDER ROE VERSUS WADE OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS VOTERS IN OUR STATE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT THAT HAS BEEN IT IS A COMMONSENSE PROPOSAL AND MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD PROPOSAL THAT BASICALLY MIRRORS WHAT WE HAVE -- THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS.

>> WILL THIS PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS SITUATIONS WHERE THERE IS GENDER REASSIGNMENT OR A TYPE OF TRANSITIONING BETWEEN GENDERS?

>> THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR GENDER REASSIGNMENT IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM >> DID THE OTHER SIDE -- BASICALLY THEY WILL TRY TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO A YES VOTE IS THAT YOUR SENSE?

WAIT UNTIL -- INTO A NO VOTE?

TAKE THE OTHER SIDE AND THE REALLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION AND SO THEY ARE USING SCARE TACTICS TO TRY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM VOTING FOR THIS I THINK VOTERS KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DESERVE AN INHERENT RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ABORTION UNDER ROE VERSUS WADE.

WE HAVE HAD THOSE RIGHTS OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS MOST VOTERS IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AGREE THAT HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED THEY AGREE THAT ABORTION SHOULD REMAIN LEGAL AND THAT IS WHAT OUR MEASURE DOES.

>> I'M CURIOUS IT WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IS THE IF A PETITION IS GOING TO WIN IN NOVEMBER YOU'RE LOOKING AT POLLS OF VOTERS BEING AT 60 PERCENT APPROVAL WHAT DOES YOUR INTERNAL POLLING SHOW ABOUT WHERE YOUR QUESTION IS AMONG MICHIGAN VOTERS?

>> I WANT TO RAISE THIS AGAIN FOR EVERYONE SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GETTING SUPPORT FOR OUR MEASURE FROM VOTERS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE MICHIGAN.

WE RECEIVED SIGNATURES FROM ALL 83 COUNTIES AND WE ARE SEEING THAT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS ALL SUPPORT THIS MEASURE AND OVER 60 PERCENT OF VOTERS BELIEVE THAT ABORTION SHOULD REMAIN LEGAL IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.

>> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS NOT BEEN AS ACTIVE WITH THIS CAMPAIGN IS SOME SUPPORTERS WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE?

>> I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN EXTREMELY OUTSPOKEN AND UPFRONT ON THE NEED TO KEEP ABORTION LEGAL SHE HAS USED HER EXECUTIVE TOOLS TO SUPPORT HER POSITION ON THAT AND SHE FILED A LAWSUIT IN THE OPEN COUNTY CIRCUI COURT THAT WON A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION JUST A FEW WEEKS BACK SO THE GOVERNOR IS SHOWING QUITE A BIT OF LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE AND ON THIS MATTER AND AS THE GOVERNOR OF OUR GREAT STATE THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE SHE IS EXPECTED TO DO SO I DO NOT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HER NOT BEING INVOLVED IN THIS CAMPAIGN SHE UNDERSTANDS SHE HAS TO WIN HER ELECTION AND SEPARATE AND DECIDE THIS IS A VALID PROPOSAL THAT ALLOWS VOTERS TO WEIGH IN WE SHOULD RESTORE ROE VERSUS WADE HERE IN MICHIGAN.

>> HAVE EATEN A DEEP DIVE ON WHAT HAPPENED TO KANSAS ON THIS ISSUE AND THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IMPORTANT THEY ARE FOR EXAMPLE SOME OF THE ADVERTISING DID NOT EVEN USE THE WORD ABORTION THEY FOCUSED ON HEALTHCARE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU FOLKS WILL DO?

>> OUR MEASURE IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF CANVASSERS THIS WILL BE A PROPOSAL THAT AFFIRMS THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM INCLUDING ABORTION VOTERS IN MICHIGAN WANT TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROTECTS THE RIGHTS TO ABORTION AND IN TERMS OF YOUR QUESTION REGARDING KANSAS WE HAVE DONE A DEEP DIVE THERE WE LOOKED AT THEIR SUCCESSES AND SOMETHING AND GET A POINT OUT ABOUT KANSAS IS THAT THEY SAW THE KIND OF VOTER TURNOUT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN A PRIMARY ELECTION AND THAT SIGNALS FOR US THAT WHEN VOTERS UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT IS AT STAKE WHEN THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO KEEP ABORTION LEGAL IN THEIR STATE THEY WILL FOLLOW THROUGH AND ACT AND SHOW UP AT THE POLLS.

>> YOUR PROPOSAL DOES ALLOW THE STATE TO REGULATE ABORTION AFTER FETAL VIABILITY BUT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE HEALTH AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER BUT ALSO THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE PREGNANT PERSON, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT EXCEPTION MEANS IN PRACTICAL TERMS?

THE MENTAL HEALTH EXCEPTION?

>> I THINK AGAIN I AM NOT A DOCTOR AND I DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV MEASURE OR WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS INTENDED TO DO IS TO ALLOW MEDICAL DOCTORS AND WOMEN TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR PREGNANCIES AND TO NOT ALLOW FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO INTERVENE WHEN THE MOTHER'S HEALTH IS AT RISK AND THAT INCLUDES THE PHYSICAL HEALTH AND ALSO THEIR MENTAL HEALTH.

>> THANK YOU FOR DOING A PROGRAM I KNOW YOU HAVE TO RUN ON THE OTHER THING THING IS KEEP US POSTED ON THE CAMPAIGN.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE.

>> SEE YOU NEXT WEEK RIGHT HERE AND OFF THE RECORD.