>> Braude: TONIGHT ON GREATER BOSTON THE B.M.C.

'S DOCTOR KATHERINE GERGEN BARNETT AND HARVARD SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH'S WILLIAM HANAGE JOIN ME ON JOE BIDEN'S PUSH TO MANDATE MORE COVID VACCINES DID HE GO FAR ENOUGH?

HAS MASSACHUSETTS GONE FAR ENOUGH - ESPECIALLY WITH SCHOOLS?

AND WHEN WILL THE UNDER-12'S BE GETTING THEIR SHOTS?

THEN LATER, A LOOK AT A BIG-ISSUE MAYORAL RACE JUST OUTSIDE BOSTON, IN THE MOST RAPIDLY DIVERSIFYING COMMUNITY IN THE STATE, EVERETT, WITH THE PRELIMINARY ELECTION TOMORROW THERE, TOO.

AND GOLD-MEDAL PARALYMPIAN SWIMMER MORGAN STICKNEY, ON HOW SHE MANAGED TO BEST THE BEST LESS THAN TWO YEARS AFTER A SECOND LEG AMPUTATION FORCED HER BACK TO SQUARE ONE - LEARNING HOW TO WALK AND SWIM ALL OVER AGAIN.

IT WHAT IS A SOLEMN WEEKEND FOR MANY WHAT MARKED THE AN VERSE OF THE 9/11 ATTACKS WHILE PRESIDENT BIDEN, CLINTON ATTENDED A MEMORIAL AND GEORGE W. BUSH SPOKE AT THE MEMORIAL IN SHANKSVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA, TRUMP WHO WASN'T SUPPOSED TO APPEAR AT ANY NIEB 9/11 EVENTED ENDED UP MAKING A SURPRISE VISIT AT THE NEW YORK 17th PRECINCT, THERE HE CALLED IT A SAD DAY AND QUICKLY WENT ON TO TRASH HIS SUCCESSOR AND HINT AT A 2024 PRESIDENTIAL RUN BEFORE HE MOVED ON TO HIS DAY'S MAIN EVENT, ACTING AS COMMENTATARY LONG WITH TRUMP, JR. FOR A PAID PER VIEW BOXING MATCH.

ON THE 209 ANNIVERSARY OF THE SEPTEMBER 11th ATTACKS.

BUT THAT GLARING EXCEPTION NOT WITHSTANDING, FOR THE MOST PART DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS MANAGED TO COME TOGETHER SATURDAY TO HONOR THE NEARLY 3,000 PEOPLE WHO WERE KILLED.

UNFORTUNATELY THE SAME CAN'T BE SAID ABOUT THE REACTION TO THE THING THAT IS CAUSING THE SAME NUMBER OF DEATHS EVERY TWO DAYS ACROSS THE U.S. AND MORE THAN 220 TIMES THE SEPTEMBER 119 DEATH TOLL OVERALL SO FAR.

AFTER BIDEN ANNOUNCED BROAD NEW FEDERAL COVID VACCINE MANDATES, FOR ROUGHLY TWO THIRDS OF AMERICA WORKERS LAST WEEK, SEVERAL REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS IMMEDIATELY STARTED FIGHTING BACK.

>> IT SHOULD BE A PERSONAL HEALTH CARE CHOICE.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD MANDATE.

>> WHAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS DOING IS GOVERNMENT OVERREACH, PURE AND SIMPLE.

>> Braude: BIDEN'S LATEST COVID PLAN WOULD NOT ONLY MANDATE VACCINES FOR ALL FEDERAL WORKERS AND CONTRACTORS ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THEM AT MOST HEALTH CARE FACILITIES THAT GET MEDICARE OR MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENT, AND IT WOULD MANDATE THAT ANY BUSINESS WITH 100 EMPLOYEES OR MORE EITHER REQUIRE EITHER A VACCINE OR WEEKLY TESTING FOR EVERYONE.

THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES ACCESS TO THOSE BOOSTER SHOTS WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT, EXPANDING SAFETY PROTOCOLS IN SCHOOLS, AND RAMPING UP PRODUCTION OF RAPID TESTS, AMONG OTHER MEASURES.

BUT REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS AREN'T THE ONLY ONES PUSHING BACK.

THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF REPORTS FROM WORKERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY INCLUDING SEVERAL MILITARY MEMBERS WHO QUIT ON PLAN TO QUIT OVER THE NEW RULES, AND IN ONE NEW YORK HOSPITAL SO MANY WORKERS IN THE MATERNITY UNIT HAVE QUIT THAT THEY ARE NOT DELIVERING BABIES THERE STILL, MEMBERS OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ARE STANDING FIRM THAT VACCINE MANDATES ARE THE BEST WAY OUT OF THE PANDEMIC.

AND AS FOR THE LEGAL ISSUES, MANY EXPERTS ARE POINTING TO A CENTURY-OLD SUPREME COURT CASE FROM THIS STATE AS PRECEDENCE, THE 1905 CASE OF JACOBSON VERSUS MASSACHUSETTS IN WHICH THE HIGH COURT RULED THAT OFFICIALS IN OUR STATE AND BEYOND DID HAVE THE POWER TO FORCE INDIVIDUALS TO GET THE SMALL POX VACCINE FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.

AND IF BIDEN'S MANDATE-- THEY COME AS ANOTHER SLARNLG SWATH OF AMERICANS MAY SOON BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR VACCINES, KIDS AGES 5 AND UP WHO MANY HEALTH EXPERTS ARE PREDICTING WILL BE ABLE TO START GETTING THEIR SHOTS BY HALLOWEEN.

JOINING ME IS DR. KATHERINE GERGEN BARNETT, WILLIAM HANAGE, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY AT AND A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL'S CENTER FOR COMMUNE KABL DISEASE DYNAMIC.

WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

STARTING WITH YOU, BILL HANAGE, IF I CAN.

DID BIDEN GO FAR ENOUGH?

>> I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT IT IS FANTASTIC IF MORE PEOPLE GET VACCINATED AS A RESULT OF IT THAT IS THE BHOT OM LINE, VACCINES ARE NOT THE ONLY TOOL WE HAVE TO GET THIS PANDEMIC UNDER CONTROL AND HAVE A FAR, FAR BETTER FALL AND WINTER THAN ALTERNATIVELY.

BUT THEY ARE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ONE.

AND SO BY PUTTING THESE MANDATES IN PLACE, IF THAT GETS MORE PEOPLE VACCINATED, THAT WILL BE REALLY GOOD.

HOWEVER, THAT IS THE KEY QUESTION, IS IT GOING TO GET MORE PEOPLE VACCINATED.

AS A RESULT OF THAT, I'M PARTICULARLY EXCITED BY SEEING THE OTHER THINGS IN THERE AS WELL BECAUSE WHILE VACCINES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, SO IS TESTING.

SO IS ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WILL MAINTAIN SITUATIONAL AWARENESS SO WE CAN KEEP AN EYE ON OUR TOES WHILE FACING THE VIRUS.

>> DR. GERGEN BARNETT, DID HE GO FAR ENOUGH, JOE BIDEN?

>> I COMPLETELY AGREE, I THINK THAT IT IS A WONDERFUL HOPE THAT WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE VACCINATED.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WAY IN WHICH IT WAS DONE.

I THINK-- .

>> Braude: WHAT DO YOU BEANNESS WE WORKED VERY HARD TO WORK THAT DIALOGUE CONVERSATION.

I THINK THE WAY THAT THE MESSAGE WAS DELIVERED WAS REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE PATIENTS RUNNING THIN, IT IS TIME FOR PEOPLE TO GET VACCINATED AND RECOGNIZING THAT THE 80 MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VACCINATED, ARE NOT VACCINATED FOR VERY DIFFERENT REASONS, AND SO HOW DO WE ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IN TERMS OF 9/11, PEOPLE WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE TO COME UP WITH MORE CREATIVE AND STRATEGIC WAYS OF COMMUNICATION.

AND SPECIFICALLY IN THIS MOMENT I WANT TO TURN TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE HIV EPIDEMIC IN 1990, THE RYAN WHITE ACT WAS SIGNED.

BY ORRIN HATCH AND TED KENNEDY.

HOW CAN WE HAVE THAT KIND OF COLLABORATION, THAT KIND OF REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE THAT YOU MENTIONED FOR 9/11.

>> Braude: I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH STARTING WITH YOU DR. GERGEN BARNETT, HAVE I MUCH LESS PATIENCE THAN I THINK YOU DO AND YOUR COLLEAGUES MAY.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.

WHEN I HEAR ABOUT A HEALTH CARE WORKER IN UPSTATE NEW YORK WHO DOESN'T WANT TO GET VACCINATED OR ANYWHERE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER, I SAY I DON'T WANT THAT HEALTH CARE WORKER TALKING TO AN UNVACCINATED PATIENT WHO WILL THEN TURN TO THE HEALTH CARE WORKER AND SAY WAIT A SECOND, YOU DON'T THINK IT IS SAFE ENOUGH TO DO.

WHY SHOULD I DO IT.

SO AREN'T THERE SOME PLACES WHERE IT REALLY WAS TIME FOR BIDEN TO BRING DOWN THE HAMMER, DOCTOR?

>> I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE VACCINE IS ONE OF OUR BEST TOOLS TO GET OUT OF THE PANDEMIC.

AND I ABSOLUTELY ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH PEOPLE THEY TRUST.

BUT I DO, I AM CONCERNED THAT THIS MAY BACK FIRE.

THIS KIND OF DELIVERY MAY BACK FIRE AGAIN CREATING MORE WALLS THAN BRIDGES.

>> YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY WHO I THINK TENDS TO AGREE, BILL HANAGE, HERE IS DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB ON "FACE THE NATION" YESTERDAY.

OBVIOUSLY THE FORMER HEAD OF THE FDA, HERE HE IS.

>> I THINK THAT THE DOWNSIDE OF THIS MANDATE IN TERMS OF HARDENING POSITIONS AND TAKING SOMETHING THAT IS POLITICAL AND MAKING IT OVERTLY POLITICAL COULD OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS THAT WE HOPE TO ACHIEVE.

>> Braude: IS HE ON TO SOMETHING?

I'M NOT WITH HIM EITHER BUT ARE YOU?

>> OH, HE'S GOT A POINT, HASN'T HE?

WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE PRONOUNCEMENTS OF A POLITICAL LEAD KER INSTANTLY SORT US INTO NONOVERLAPPING SACKS OF FOLKS WHO ARE EITHER GOING TO AGREE OR DISAGREE.

I FEAR THAT THIS MAY HAVE SOME OF THAT SAME AFFECT.

BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS BURIED UNDER HERE.

WHICH IS NOT JUST VACCINE HESITANCY AND REFUSAL, A LARGE PART OF THE COUNTRY THERE ARE ISSUES WITH VACCINE ACCESS, PEOPLE ABLE TO GET IT, FEELING THAT THEY CAN TAKE TIME OFF WORTH TO BE ABLE TO GET IT.

PEOPLE WORRIED THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO A DAY OF WORK THAT THEY NEED TO FEED THEIR FAMILY IF THEY HAVE SIDE EFFECTS SO I WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS AS WELL.

BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS ARE AT RISK OF NOT BEING VACCINATED AND THEY ARE ALSO VERY-- PEOPLE WITH RISK FACTORS FOR INFECTION.

>> Braude: BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE STILL HAVE DOUBTS BOTH OF YOU, AND I WILL START WITH YOU BILL HANAGE, IS THEY THE HYPOCRISY OF SOME OF THESE GOVERNORS WHO HAVE A HUGE PLATFORM.

AND WE JUST DID TWO, LET ME ADD ONE OF THE LISTS, KATE REEFS IS THE GOVERNOR OF MISSISSIPPI, HE SAID WITH WHAT JOE BIDEN DID IS TERRIFYING, HE IS STEPPING ON-- PARDON ME, HE STILL BELIEVES IN THE FREE-- HE STILL BELIEVES IN THE FREEDOM FROM TYRANT MEANING JOE BIDEN IS A TYRANT.

WHEN YOU HAVE A GUY LIKE THE GOVERNOR OF MISSISSIPPI WHO HAS BEEN BRAGGING FOR YEARS ABOUT MISSISSIPPI HAVING THE HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE IN THE COUNTRY FOR MONTHS MUMPS AND MAYSELS AND I THINK SEVEN OTHER DISEASES, AND BY THE WAY, THEY EVEN HAVE A RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION IN MISSISSIPPI AND THEN DOES THIS CRAP, ATTACKING JOE BIDEN, AREN'T THESE GOVERNORS THE PEOPLE THAT JOE BIDEN HAS GOT TO TAKE HEAD ON, SO IT IS THE MISINFORMATION AND DOUBT THAT THEY PLANT HOPEFULLY GETS COUNTERED?

>> I'M A SCIENTIST, JIM, I'M NOT A POLITICIAN, I WILL JUST OBSERVE THAT POLITICIANS OFTEN SAY THINGS FOR REASONS THAT ARE NOT SCIENTIFIC.

I THINK WE CAN ALMOST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

>> Braude: BUT IF THEY CAUSE PEOPLE TO DOUBT SCIENCE, ISN'T THAT.

>> IT CERTAINLY VERY, VERY UNHELPFUL.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT IF YOU CAN LOOK AT MASSACHUSETTS, FOR INSTANCE, I'M SURE WE WILL COME TO MASSACHUSETTS BUT WE ARE IN ONE OF THE BETTER VACCINATED STATES IN THE NATION AND YOU CAN SEE-- .

>> Braude: SPEAKING OF MASSACHUSETTS DR. GERGEN BARNETT, LET MAY ASK YOU, HAS MASSACHUSETTS GONE FAR ENOUGH.

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I AM REFERRING TO SPECIFICALLY.

ABOUT A MONTH AGO THE GOVERNOR WAS AGAINST MASKS FOR EVERYBODY IN K THROUGH 12, SINCE THAT SECRETARY OF EDUCATION HAS SAID EVERYBODY VACCINATED OR NOT GETS-- HAS TO WEAR A MASK.

ON THE OTHER HAND THERE ARE PLACES LIKE LOS ANGELES THAT HAVE SAID THAT ISN'T ENOUGH.

EVERY KID HAS GOT TO BE VACCINATED.

OBVIOUSLY 12 AND ABOVE BECAUSE UNDER 12 AREN'T PERMITTED TO BE VACCINATED YET.

SHOULD WE BE TAKING THAT STEP TO ENSURE THAT TEACHERS, OTHER STAFF AND THE KIDS THEMSELVES ARE SAFEST HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS?

WITHIN WELL, I THINK THE WAY THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS PURSUED THE MASK MANDATE ACTUALLY SETS UP SOME OF THAT DIALOGUE FOR OCTOBER.

HE HAS REALLY SAID WE NEED TO HAVE MASKS IN SCHOOL.

AND THEN IF WE HAVE 80% OR MORE PEOPLE VACCINATED IN SCHOOL, THEN WE CAN TAKE THE MASKS OFF.

SO I THINK THAT WAS A NICE WAY FOR GOVERNOR BAKER TO START TO ADDRESS THAT.

I THINK FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE PHYSICIANS AND PARENTS, WE ARE VERY GREATFUL FOR THE MASK MANDATE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT ACTUALLY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN SCHOOLS.

AND I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE.

I THINK HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS IN TERMS OF ACCESS TO TESTING, RELIABLE TESTING, FREE TESTING.

YOU KNOW, I WORK AT A PLACE LIKE BOSTON MEDICAL CENTER WHERE IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT ACCESS TO THE VACCINE BUT REALLY ABOUT TAKING THAT TIME OFF AND HAVING ABILITY TO GET TESTED.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO YOU BILL HANAGE AND THEN TO KATHERINE GERGEN BARNETT, IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH YOU WOULD SAY WE CAN'T KEEP TALKING TO THE 80 MILLION PEOPLE, SOME OF WHOM, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF WHOM I'M SURE, HAVE GOOD FAITH CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

AND SAY THAT THEY ARE STEPPING ON THE HEALTH PROSPECTS OF EVERYBODY HO HAS-- WHO HAS CHOSEN TO GET VACCINATED.

AND WE HAVE TO FORGET THE CARROT AND START USING THE STICK, NO?

>> WELL, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS THIS EXISESSING NOTION THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FREEDOM, AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FREEDOM.

FREEDOM TO DO SOMETHING AND FREEDOM FROM SOMETHING.

AND ENCOURAGING VACCINATION GIVES US THE FREEDOM OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, THE FREEDOM FROM THE CONCERN OF UNCONTROLLED SPIKES WHICH PUT HEALTH CARE AT RISK.

THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE OR HOW WE ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE IT.

AND THAT IS THE THING WHICH I WOULD PUT THE EMPHASIS HERE, IF THIS WORKS AND SUCCEEDS, GREAT.

IF IT DOESN'T AND IT JUST MEANS THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE NOW SAYING WELL, IF THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE ME DO IT, I'M NOT GOING TO AND THAT WILL BE MUCH LESS HELPFUL.

>> Braude: SO KATHERINE GERGEN BARNETT, YOU SHARE THE CONCERN THAT THE SICK MAY NOT DO THE TRICK.

SO IS THERE A POINT WHICH, I DON'T MEAN TO DATE CERTAIN BUT IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH YOU SAY WE'VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH, AND MANDATES HAVE GOT TO BE EVEN BROADER.

FOR EXAMPLE I THINK THE FACT THAT JOE BIDEN DID NOT MANDATE VACCINES FOR PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN INTERSTATE TRAVEL AND ON PLANES AND TRAINS, I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THAT WASN'T INCLUDED.

MAYBE THEY WERE WORRIEDED IT COULDN'T BE ENFORCED PROPERLY.

IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH WE HAVE TO SAY WE'VE GIVEN IT ALL WE HAVE AND WE JUST HAVE GOT TO GO FOR IT?

>> I AGREE WITH YOU, THERE IS NO MAGIC LINE IN THE SAND WHERE YOU HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY BE USING THE STICK MORE THAN A CARROT.

I THINK THERE IS A VERY DELICATE BALANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.

AND PART OF WHAT IS NOT HAPPENING IS REALLY RELIABLE EVIDENCE THAT GIVEN DAILY BY THE CDC IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND.

AND SO LOOK, EVERYBODY WANTS THE SAME THING.

AT THE END.

DAY PEOPLE WANT TO BE FREE FROM DISEASE, THEY WANT TO HAVE FULL LIVES, THEY WANT TO CONNECT TO PEOPLE THEY LOVE.

NOBODY IS DOING THIS OUT OF SPITE.

SO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

AND SO HOW CAN WE NOT JUST SAY YOU HAVE TO DO THIS.

YOU ARE COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE AN YOU'RE KILLING US ALL.

AND GO TO THE OTHER PLACE WHERE WE SAY ACTUALLY, HOW DO WE WORK ACROSS THE AISLE, HOW DO WE GET OUR LEADERS AND HOW DO WE PUT THE MONEY INTO COMMUNITIES SO THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEIR PEOPLE.

>> I THINK WE HAVE A LONG WAIT FOR OUR LEADERS WORKING TOGETHER.

WE ONLY HAVE A MINUTE LEFT, BILL HANAGE, YOU WROTE A REALLY INTERESTING PIECE WITH A COLLEAGUE IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES," I LITERALLY HAVE A MINUTE, DESCRIBING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO OUR TOOLBOX THAT I NEVER HEARD OF.

SOURCE INVESTIGATION THAT YOU SAY WAS CRITICAL TO PROVINCE TOWN CLIMBING OUT OF THEIR NIGHTMARE, COULD YOU QUICKLY DESCRIBE WHAT THAT IS?

>> SURE.

CONTACT TRACING TAKES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FORMS.

AND WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IT THEY OFTEN THINK THAT YOU FIND SOMEBODY WHO IS INFECTED AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT ALL THE PEOPLE THEY MIGHT HAVE TRANSMITTED IT TO AND TRY AND CATCH THEM BEFORE THEY CAN TRANSMIT.

SOURCE INVESTIGATION ASKS THE OTHER QUESTION, WHERE DID THEY GET IT.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GOT IT, THEN YOU WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY GOT IT.

THIS IS FOR A LOT OF REASONS INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THIS TENDS TO TRANSMIT IN CLUSTERS, SO IF YOU GO BACK AND FIND THAT PERSON HAD BEEN AT A NIGHTCLUB THEN YOU PRETTY MUCH WANT TO FIND EVERYBODY WHO HAD BEEN IN THAT NIGHTCLUB BECAUSE THEY COULD WELL HAVE BEEN EXPOSED.

THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF PROVINCETOWN, I WANT TO POINT OIL MASSACHUSETTS HAS A PLATEAU OF CASES, EVEN THOUGH THE DAILY CASE COUNTS ARE QUITE HIGH, FIVE TIMES HIGHER THAN THIS TIME LAST YEAR, WE'RE HAVING HALF THE DEATHS, THAT'S BECAUSE VACCINES WORK.

>> AND THE MORE WHO TAKE THEM, THE HAPPIER WE WILL BE.

THE QUESTION IS HOW WE GET THERE AND FOR NOW DR. KATHERINE GERGEN BARNETT, BILL HANAGE, THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR TIME, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK, JIM.

>> Braude: WHILE BOSTON RECEIVED MOST OF THE ATTENTION FOR ITS HISTORIC MAYORAL RACE AND WITH GOOD REASON T IS NOT THE ONLY SELECTION THIS WEEK.

LIKE BOSTON EVERETT IS IN THE MIDST OF A HEATED MAYORAL RISK WHICH AS ADAM RILEY TELLS US IS CENTERED AROUND SOME OF THE BIG ISSUES FACING THE COMMONWEALTH AS A WHOLE.

>> AS EVERETT MAYOR CARLO DEMARIA SEEKS A 6th TERM HE IS COMPARING HIMSELF TO A POLITICAL LEGEND FROM JUST DOWN THE ROAD.

>> MOST PEOPLE WANT THEIR TRASH PICKED UP, THEIR SIDEWALKS FIXED, A POTHOLE TAKEN CARE OF.

A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO MOVE FROM BOSTON COMPARE ME TO MAYOR MENINO, HE WAS THAT TYPE OF MAYOR, URBAN MECHANIC, ON THE STREET EVERY DAY, TALKING TO RESIDENTS.

>> Reporter: DEMARIA GETS A GLEAM IN HIS EYE WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT EVERETT'S GROUNDBREAKING BUS-RAPID-TRANSIT SYSTEM AND HOW EXPANDING IT COULD REIN IN HOUSING COSTS.

WITHIN THAT UNLOCKS THE POTENTIAL TO BUILD MORE HOUSING.

SO YOU HAVE AN INCREASE AM OF SUPPLY.

WHAT HAPPENS.

PRICES COME DOWN.

BUT DEMARIA'S RE-ELECTION BID INVOLVES A HURDLE MENINO NEVER HAD TO CLEAR.

AN ONGOING CITYWIDE RECKONING WITH THE POLITICIAN-- POLITICS OF RACE.

>> ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ASKED ME TO RESIGN.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A JOKE.

AND THEY GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY TALK ABOUT IT, GO ON THE NEWSPAPERS.

THEY TRASH MY NAME.

>> GERLY ADD RHINE IS THE FIRST BLACK MEMBER ON THE CITY COUNCIL.

A CUES SEVERAL AND THE MAYOR OF GIVING A HOSTILE ELECTION, THAT CONVINCED HER TO SEEK IT.

>> OUR MAYOR HAS NOT HAD A CHAL NENG 2013, IN EIGHT YEARS.

OUR CITY DEM GRAPHICALLY HAS CHANGED SO MUCH, WE ARE A MAJORITY PEOPLE OF COLOR.

AND SO I TRULY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL COME OUT AND SAY WE'VE HAD ENOUGH AND WE WANT CHANGE.

>> SHE ALSO SAYS DEMARIA HAS UNDERFOODED EVERETT SCHOOLS AND HASN'T DONE ENOUGH TO PROTECT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WILL YOU HEAR A SIMILAR CRITIQUE FROM THE THIRD CANDIDATE IN THE RACE.

>> WE ARE OVERBUILDING ON EVERY SQUARE INCH OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY, DESTROYING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, OVERPURDING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, CONGESTING OUR STREETS, WE'RE FOCUSING SO MUCH ON LUXURY HOUSING AND IGNORING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR THIS CITY.

>> ANOTHER CITY COUNCILLOR HAS HAD TWO SEPARATE STINTS?

CITY GOVERNMENT SPANNING NEARLY TWO DECADES, HE ACCUSES DEMARIA OF TALKING AN IMPERIAL APPROACH, MAKING BIG EXPENSIVE DECISIONS WITHOUT GETTING BUY-IN FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> OFTENTIMES AS CITY COUNSEL I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE HAVE A NEW HIRE OR IF WE HAVE A RETIRE OR THERE IS A NEW PROGRAM HAPPENING UNTIL I READ IT IN THE NEWSPAPER OR SEE IT ON FACEBOOK.

SO IF I AS ELECTED OFFICIAL AM SNOT INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, THINK ABOUT WHAT THE AVERAGE RESIDENT, THAT IS NOT GOOD GOVERNMENT.

>> A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE BEMARIA'S LAST CONTESTED RACE N2014 THE "BOSTON GLOBE" REPORTED THAT FOUR WOMEN HAD ACCUSED HIM OF SEXUAL HAR RASESMENT, CLAIMS DEMARIA FORCEFULLY DENIES.

IN 2019 ENCORE BOSTON HARBOR BROUGHT BIG TIME GAMBLING TO EVERETT AND RECENTLY THE CITY WAS HIT HARD BY COVID.

DEMARIA SAYS HIS ADMINISTRATION ROSE TO THE-- ROSE TO THE CHALLENGE.

>> VACCINATING 10,000 RESIDENTS IN A CITY-RUN VACCINE CLINIC.

YOU KNOW, SENDING MASKS TO EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY.

MAKING SURE EVERY RESIDENT GETS TESTED FREE.

ON SEPTEMBER 21S EVERETT VOTER ALSO GET THEIR SAY WITH THE TOP TWO FINISHES ADVANCING TO NOVEMBER'S FINAL ELECTION.

ADAM REILLY, GBH NEWS.

>> Braude: THAT PRELIMINARY ELECTION IS TOMORROW, ALONG WITH MORE THAN A DOZEN OTHERS ACROSS THE STATE INCLUDING BOSTON.

AND DON'T FORGET TO JOIN US THIS FRIDAY FOR THE FIRST INSTALLMENT OF ELECTION 2021.

BOSTON'S RACE IN TO HISTORY, ADAM REILLY AND OUR POLITICAL TEAM WILL TAKE A MUCH DEEPER LOOK AT THE BOSTON RACE, THE HISTORY BEHIND IT, WHY THE EYES OF THE NATION ARE ON IT AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE TO THE CANDIDATES WILL FACE STARTING FRIDAY AT 7:00 RIGHT HERE ON GBH26789 NEW ENGLAND SAY LITTLE MORE GOLD RICH TODAY THANKS TO NEW HAMPSHIRE NATIVE MORGAN STICKNEY BACK WITH THE GOLD MEDALS SHE WON TWO WEEKS AGO FOR SWIMMING IN THE 400 METER FREE STYLE IN HER CATEGORY.

WITH A TIME OF 4 MINUTES 42 SECONDS AND 39 MILLI SECONDS.

>> EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE, HER ROAD TO VICTORY AFTER YEARS OF SUFFERING DUE TO A RARE VASCULAR DISORDER SHE HAD HER LOWER LEFT LEG MUCH TATED IN 2018 AND AFTER INCREASING PAIN IN HER RIGHT LEG SHE HAD THAT LEG AMP-- AMPUTATED TOO IN THE SMALL OF 2019 FORCING HER TO RELEARN HOW TO SWIM AND WALK ALL OVER AGAIN.

GOD ENMEDAL WINNING MORGAN STICKNEY SCWHROINS ME, CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH WHAT DO THE SECOND FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU TOUCHED THE WALL AND KNEW YOU WERE THE BEST, THE GOLD MEDAL WINNER, WHAT DOES THAT SECOND FEEL LIKE?

>> I HONESTLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT I WON THE 400 IN THAT SECOND.

AND MY REACTION KIND OF JUST SAYS IT ALL WHEN I LOOKED AT THE CLOCK.

SO I WASN'T IN THE LEAD THE ENTIRE RACE, I WAS IN SECOND PLACE AND THAT LAST 50 I REALLY JUST PUT MY HEAD DOWN AND SAID GIVE IT EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT.

BECAUSE THERE IS A MEDAL ON THE LINE.

AND SO I REALLY JUST DID THAT.

AND I LOOKED UP AT THE CLOCK AND I WAS SHOCKED THAT I WAS ABLE TO CATCH FIRSTSCH-- TOUCH FIRST.

>> EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT IN THE SECOND YOU KNOW IT TWO WEEKS LATER, HOW DOES IT FEEL TODAY?

>> IT'S HONESTLY STILL SO SURREAL THAT I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND THEN ALSO BEING ON THE RELAY A FEW DAYS LATER AND BEING ABLE TO WIN ANOTHER GOL MEDAL WAS JUST SO AMAZING.

>> AND BY THE WAY, WE WOULD BE SHOWING PEOPLE THOSE MOMENTS BUT THE OLYMPIC SAYS, YOU KNOW, VERY TIGHTLY GUARD THIS VIDEO.

SO I THINK PEOPLE CAN IMAGINE YOUR SUCCESS.

I HAVE READ A TON ABOUT YOU, AND CHRISTINA QUINN DID A BEAUTIFUL PACKAGE ABOUT YOU A YEAR OR SO AGO.

I KNOW YOU TO BE A RELENTLESSLY POSITIVE PERSON.

BUT HOW HARD WAS ALL OF THIS.

I DON'T MEAN THE TRAINING, I MEAN DEALING WITH AMP TAITIONS.

AND YOU WERE A STAR SWIMMER WHEN YOU WERE ABLE-BODIED.

HOW HARD WAS DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS BOTH PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY?

>> YEAH, I MEAN IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT BUT I'M REALLY THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL FOR MY FAMILY AND MY FRIENDS.

JUST BEING THERE FOR ME, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

AND HONESTLY, LIKE SWIMMING IS HOW I WAS ABLE TO COPE WITH IT ALL.

EVEN THOUGH LIKE IN THE DIRECT MOMENT I WASN'T ABLE TO GET INTO THE POOL WHEN HI LIKE SURGERY, BUT AFTER YARD-- AFTERWARDS WAY AS TOIBL TO GET BACK IN THE POOL AND I THINK THAT JUST KIND OF KEPT ME GOING.

>> EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE HAD TWO AMP TAITIONS MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU ARE STILL NOT FULLY RECOVERED, RIGHT.

AND YOU STILL HAVE SOME MEDICAL ISSUES AHEAD OF YOU, CORRECT?

>> I DO DO, YES, SO MY DISEASE IS PROGRESSIVE.

SO I'M CONSTANTLY TAKING MEDICATIONS AND SEEING DOCTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T LOSE MY KNEE.

>> Braude: AND DESPITE ALL OF THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS OVER A PERIOD OF ROUGHLY A YEAR, YOU CUT 30 SECONDS OFF YOUR TIME IN THE 400 LEADING UP TO THE OLYMPICS.

I MEAN HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

>> I HONESTLY JUST TRAINED REALLY HARD.

EVERYONE ALWAYS ASKS ME, THEY ARE LIKE HOW DID YOU JUST WIN A GOLD MEDAL WITH ONLY A YEAR'S WORTH OF TRAINING.

AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME REALLY WELL, LIKE KNOW HOW MUCH WORK THAT I PUT INTO THIS.

AND I MEAN, I TRAINED THREE TO FOUR TIMES A DAY.

EVERY DAY.

AND JUST, MY DIET WAS VERY STRICT.

MY SLEEP REGIMEN, EVERYTHING WAS JUST TO GET THIS GOLD MEDAL.

AND SO IT IS SUSM AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO COME HOME WITH THAT.

>> Braude: SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOUR PARENTS, WHEN YOU WERE MENTIONING ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED YOU.

IS IT TRUE YOUR PARENTS MOVED FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE TO NORTH CAROLINA TOTALLY PULLED UP STAKES, MOVED DOWN THERE BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE FOR YOU TO BE TRAINING?

>> YEAH.

MY DAD AND I CAME DOWN HERE AND MY MOM IS STILL UP IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

AND SO I TAKE TIME BETWEEN THE TWO LOCATIONS.

AND YEAH, NORTH CAROLINA IS REALLY GREAT.

AND THEY JUST, THE TRAINING SYSTEM THAT THEY HAD DOWN HERE AND THE COACH AND EVERYTHING WAS JUST WHAT I NEEDED.

>> DO YOU EVER FEEL SORRY FOR YOURSELF FOR WHAT YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH?

AGAIN, AS I SAID, WHEN YOU WERE A YOUNGER SWIMMER, YOU WERE WHAT, TOP 20?

YOU WERE A STAR RISING.

DO YOU FEEL SORRY FOR YOURSELF OR DO YOU JUST BLOW THROUGH ALL OF THAT?

>> NOT REALLY.

I ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO ARE WORSE OFF THAN I AM.

AND SO I LIKE TO LOOK AT TRIPLE AMPUTEES.

AND I FEEL SO GRATEFUL THAT I HAVE MY ARMS.

AND I THINK JUST THINGS LIKE THAT REALLY MAKE YOU GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU DO HAVE.

AND YOU DON'T LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE MISSING.

AND WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU JUST SAID WHAT YOU DID, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, WHICH I HAVE PULLED BACK, YOU REALLY ARE AN INSPIRATION BUT THEN I REMEMBER READING THAT YOU DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION EITHER.

I MEAN YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE AN INSPIRATION.

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?

WHY-- WHY ARE YOU HESITANT TO ACCEPT WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY TRUE?

>> I JUST FEEL LIKE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE PEOPLE WILL JUST COME UP TO ME AND I WILL BE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET, AND KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME.

THEY WON'T KNOW THAT I'M A TWO TIME GOLD MEDALIST, KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MY JOURNEY AND THEY WILL JUST BE LIKE OH, YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION.

AND I THINK BY ME WALKING ACROSS THE STREET, THAT IS NOT REALLY INSPIRING.

BECAUSE THAT IS JUST ME DOING LIKE WHAT I DO EVERY DAY, BUT IF SOMEONE COMES UP TO ME AND GO OH MY GOSH, I SAW YOU IN THE NEWSPAPER, I SAW YOU ON TV AND HEARD YOUR STORY, THAT IS SO INSPIEFER-- INSPIRING.

I REALLY TAKE THAT TO HEART BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND PART OF WHAT I WENT THROUGH.

AND THEY'RE HUMAN TOO AND THEY ARE ABLE TO SIM PATHIZE WITH THAT.

>> Braude: WELL, YOU KNOW, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I HAVE NEVER TOLD A DOUBLE GOLD MEDAL WINNER THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING, BUT YOU ARE WRONG, YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION.

TO ANYBODY WHO KNOWS YOUR STORY.

WHAT IS THE MORAL DO YOU THINK, DO YOU HAVE TIME TO STEP BACK FROM WHAT YOU HAVE LIVED THROUGH AND WHAT IS THE MORAL OF YOUR PERSONAL STORY FOR PEOPLE FROM AFAR, WHAT IS IT, DO YOU THINK?

>> HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE GETS DEALT DIFFERENT CARDS IN LIFE AND WE AREN'T ABLE TO CONTROL THOSE CARDS.

AND I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE'RE DEALT A CARD IT IS HOW YOU HANDLE YOUR SITUATION.

AND SO FOR ME THIS IS HOW I WAS ABLE TO HANDLE BEING A BILATERAL AMPUTEE.

EVERYONE FACES DIFFERENT DEFICIT NTION LIFE AND IT IS REALLY JUST ABOUT GETTING BACK UP AGAIN AND NOT LETTING THEM KNOCK YOU DOWN.

>> SO WHAT IS THE NEXT MOUNTAIN MORGAN STICKNEY IS GOING TO BE CLIMBING OR SWIMMING THROUGH OR WHATEVER THE PROPER NOM ENCLAITURE IS, WHAT IS NEXT?

>> SO WE HAVE WORLDS IN JUNE OF 2022, AND THEN PARIS IN 2024.

SO I HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN BACK IN THE POOL AND STARTED TRAINING AGAIN.

>> Braude: ARE YOU STILL IN SCHOOL?

I SHOULD KNOW THIS BUT I KNOW, WERE YOU A PREMED KID OR SOMETHING?

WHAT IS YOUR SCHOOL DEAL?

>> YEAH, SO I PUT SCHOOL ON HOLD WHEN I WAS TRAINING FOR TOKYO.

SO I HAVE FIVE CLASSES LEFT UNTIL I GRADUATE.

>> WELL, I HAVE TO SAY, YOUR STORY IS TERRIFIC, WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF YOU HERE IN NEW ENGLAND FOR A TREMENDOUS ACCOMPLISHMENT AND IT WAS A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU, CONGRATULATIONS AND BEST OF LUCK IN THE FUTURE.

>> THANK YOU, NICE TO NICE MEETING YOU.

>> Braude: THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

PLEASE COME BACK TOMORROW, WE WILL HEAR FROM A FORMER AFGHAN INTERPRETER FOR THE U.S. MILITARY.

NOW IN THE U.S. WHO WORRIES THE TALIBAN WILL KILL THE FAMILY HE'S LEFT BEHIND.

PLUS BOSTON-BASED HIP-HOP VIOLINIST RHETT PRICE ON HIS NEW COLLABORATION WITH BEN & JERRY TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE PINE STREET INN, THAT AND MORE TOMORROW AT 07 CLOCK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING.

PLEASE STAY SAFE.

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