Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON:" ATTORNEY GENERAL MAURA HEALEY JOINS ME ON THE COALITION OF A.G.'s SHE'S LEADING TO HELP FIGHT THE TEXAS ABORTION LAW, WE'LL ALSO GET HER THOUGHTS ABOUT THE FUTURE FOR THIS SUPREME COURT.

THEN LATER, FORMER OLYMPIC ROWER MARY MAZZIO, AND FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR NATASHIA TIDWELL ON YESTERDAYS DISTURBING CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY FROM NEEDHAM'S ALY RAISMAN AND OTHER WOMEN GYMNASTS, MAKING IT CLEAR THAT IT DIDN'T END WITH SERIAL RAPIST LARRY NASSAR, BUT THAT IT'S TIME FOR ACCOUNTABILITY TO BE VISITED ON THE F.B.I.

AND U.S.A.

GYMNASTICS, AS WELL.

>> Braude: ATTORNEYS GENERAL FROM NEARLY HALF THE STATES ARE COMING TOGETHER TO OPPOSE THE RUTHLESS NEW ABORTION LAW IN TEXAS, LED BY THIS STATE'S A.G., MAURA HEALEY.

THEY FILED A BRIEF BACKING A CHALLENGE FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT EARLIER THIS WEEK, ASKING A JUDGE TO TEMPORARILY HALT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LAW.

WHICH WENT INTO EFFECT EARLIER THIS MONTH.

IT BANS ALL ABORTIONS AFTER SIX WEEKS, BEFORE MOST WOMEN KNOW THEY'RE PREGNANT.

AND INSTEAD OF GIVING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ENFORCEMENT POWER, THE LAW DEPUTIZES PRIVATE CITIZENS AS BOUNTY HUNTERS, LETTING THEM SUE ANYONE WHO GETS, GIVES, OR HELPS WITH AN ABORTION, FOR $10,000.

IN THEIR BRIEF, THE A.G.'s ARGUE THE LAW, "REPRESENTS A NEW AND DANGEROUS FRONTIER IN THE QUEST BY SOME STATE LEGISLATURES TO RESTRICT OR ELIMINATE ABORTION ACCESS IN VIOLATION OF WELL-ESTABLISHED LAW."

MASSACHUSETTS ATTORNEY GENERAL MAURA HEALEY JOINS ME NOW.

;GREG ABBOTT POARN JEN GLOOD GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU TOO, JIM.

>> Braude: WHY DO YOU AND MERRICK GARLAND, OBVIOUSLY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THINK YOU WILL FARE ANY BETTER WITH-- FAIR BY NI BET WE ARE THIS LITIGATION THAN THE LAST LITIGATION THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY REJECTED BY THE SUPREME COURT?

>> WELL, FIRST, A COUPLE OF REASONS.

NUMBER ONE, THAT LITIGATION WAS NEVER EVEN LITIGATED.

THEY NEVER HAD A HEARING OR, THE FIFTH CIRCUIT OF THE FEDERAL COURT OF APPEALS JUST CANCELED THE HEARING THAT WAS SET DOWN WHERE A TRIAL JUDGE WAS GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ENTER AN INJUNCTION TO STOP THE BAN.

AND THEN WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SUPREME COURT, THEY BASICALLY DUCTED IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND CHOSE TO LET THAT FIFTH CIRCUIT RULING STAND.

SO DIFFERENT SITUATION NOW, THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS FILED A STRONG CASE IN FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT IN TEXAS.

MY OFFICE LEAD THE FILING OF A BRIEF YESTERDAY IN FEDERAL COURT JOINED BY 23 OTHER AG'S IN SUPPORT OF THAT CASE.

AND AGAIN, IT IS TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISSUE IS HEARD BECAUSE EACH DAY THAT GOES BY, JIM, WOMEN'S LIVES, THEIR WELL-BEING ARE AT RISK.

THEY ARE BEING HARMED BOTH IN TEXAS AND OUTSIDE OF TEXAS.

IN SUCH PROFOUND WAYSnd WAYS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>> Braude: I'M ASSUMING ALL THREE OF THOSE 23 OTHER ATTORNEYS GENERAL ARE DEMOCRATS.

DID NOT ONE REPUBLICAN CARE ABOUT PROTECTING THE RIGHTS TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE WOMEN IN HIS OR HER STATE?

>> SADLY, NO.

AND REALLY, WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, AND WHAT THIS RELATES TO, JIM, IS THE FACT THAT ABORTION RIGHTS ARE VOTING RIGHTS.

THESE STATES WITH THESE ONEROUS BANS.

I MEAN TEXAS IS THE MOST EXTREME BUT WE ARE ALSO FIGHTING A BAN RIGHT NOW IN MISSISSIPPI, ANOTHER ONE IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

THEY ARE THE PRODUCT OF GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS DRAWN BY REPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATURES.

AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN PLACE WHO FOR YEARS WORKED TO DISENFRANCHISE BLACK AND BROWN VOTERS WHO NOW ARE IN THE POSITION OF PASSING THESE LAWS.

AND THAT IS WHY, JIM, IT IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT THE SAME WEEK THAT TEXAS AND GOVERNOR ABBOTT SIGNED A LAW BANNING ABORTION, IT IS FOLLOWED BY THE LAW RESTRICTING VOTING IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THESE TWO ISSUES ARE SO TIED TOGETHER.

>> Braude: SINCE YOU MENTIONED GOVERNOR ABBOTT, I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE MERITS OF YOUR CASE IN A MENTION BUT SINCE YOU MENTIONED T HE WAS ASKED THE OTHER DAY AT A PRESS CONFERENCE WHY THERE WAS NO EXCEPTION-- EXCEPTION FOR RAPE OR INCEST AND HIS RESPONSE TO THE RAPE PORTION OF THE QUESTION WAS WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO ELIMINATE RAPE IN TEXAS.

HERE IS ABBOTT'S RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION.

>> RAPE IS A CRIME AND TEXAS WILL WORK TIRELESSLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ELIMINATE ALL RAPISTS FROM THE STREETS OF TEXAS BY AGGRESSIVELY GOING OUT AND ARRESTING THEM AND PROSECUTING THEM AND GETTING THEM OFF THE STREETS.

>> Braude: A POINT WAS MADE, MAURA HEALEY, SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THAT THERE ARE 534-- 5300, UNTESTED RAPE KITS, AT LEAST IN TEXAS, THE STATE THAT WILL ELIMINATE RAPE.

WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO ABBOTT'S INCREDIBLE RESPONSE?

>> JUST ABSOLUTE DISGUST.

I MEAN I AM SO DISGUSTED BY GREG ABBOTT AND ALSO BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL KEN PAXTON IN TEXAS FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING IT IS SHAMEFUL AND IT IS HARMFUL.

THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD SUPPORT A LAW THAT RIGHT NOW IS FORCING RAPE VICTIMS, VICTIMS OF INCEST TO CARRY THEIR PREGNANCIES TO TERM IS HORRIFYING.

THE STORIES, JIM, ARE HEARTBREAKING.

AND I'M TALKING TO MY COLLEAGUES ON SOME OF THE BORDER STATES.

RIGHT NOW IN NEW MEXICO, NEW MEXICAN WOMEN CANNOT GET APPOINTMENTS FOR ABORTION IN THEIR OWN STATE.

WHY?

BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN FILLED WITH TEXAS PATIENTS.

I MEAN THIS IS HAVING RIPPLE EFFECTS THAT ARE PROFOUND, AND WHY YOU SEE SCO MANY STATES JOINING.

BUT IT HAS BEEN PART OF A CONCERTED, CALCULATED EFFORT BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO TRY TO SEIZE THE POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY AND USE THIS ANTIABORTION MOVE.

TO FURTHER THEIR FOOTHOLD.

AND PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT RISK.

>> Braude: DID YOU HAPPEN TO READ, GETTING BACK TO THE CASE, YOUR LITIGATION FOR A MINUTE, DID YOU HAPPY TO-- HAPPEN TO READ LARRY TRIBE CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR AND PROFESSOR, DID YOU READ HIS PIECE IN THE "BOSTON GLOBE" ABOUT THIS CASE, THE OTHER DAY.

>> WE DID, WE TALKED WITH LARRY AND JUSTICES TALKED WITH LARRY.

THE CASE THAT HE WAS ADVOCATING FOR WAS ALREADY BROUGHT, ACTUALLY BY PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB IN FORM LATING THIS NEW CASE, AND I THINK THE PREAF BY THE STATE BY THE STATE THAT OUTLINED THE HARM TO US, REALLY MAKES THIS, AND PRESENTS THIS COURT WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT THIS ISSUE.

JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF UNDERSTANDING THE SERIOUS DAMAGE DONE IN JUST THE LAST TWO WEEK AS LOAN SINCE THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE.

>> Braude: FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T READ THE PIECE, JUST VERY QUICKLY, THE DREADED LOCAL ANGLE, WITH LARRY TRIBE IS CITING, I MEAN THE COURT SAID ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE GOING TO LET THIS SIT IS BECAUSE THERE IS AN NOVEL ISSUE, MEANING PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT, THE BOWNTEE HUNTERS.

HE SAY IT IS NOT NOVEL AT ALL IN A GRENDEL'S DEN CASE, USED TO GO TO GRENDEL DEN WHEN WERE YOU HARVARD MANY YEARS AGO.

A CHURCH, ANOTHER PRIVATE ENTITY HAD VETO POWER OVER A LIQUOR LICENSE AND THE SUPREME COURT IN THAT STATE SAID DELEGATING A PRIVATE NONGOVERNMENT ENTITY THE POWER ORDINARILY VESTED IN GOVERNMENT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

WHICH HE ARGUES IS EXACTLY WHAT IS DONE HERE OVER AND ABOVE THE ISSUE THAT YOU ARE RAISING THAT IT CLEARLY VIOLATES THE 50 YEAR OLD PRECEDENT.

ATTORNEY GENERAL, YOU WERE ALSO, YO AND YOUR COLLEAGUES YOUR FELLOW ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEMOCRATS ARE URGING THE CONGRESS TO ESSENTIALLY CODIFY THESE RIGHTS WHICH WOULD CIRCUMVENT THE WHOLE SUPREME COURT PROBLEM.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN TO BE NEGATIVE, BUT IT MAY PASS THE HOUSE, IT'S GOT NO CHANCE OF GETTING 60 VOTES IN THE SENATE, DOES IT?

PROBABLY HAD ANY NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER PRO-- PROTESS-- PROFES TO BE PROCHOICE.

WE HAVE TO GO ON ALL FRONTS, WE NEED TO BRING THESE CASES TO THE COURT, ARE WHEREVER WE NEED TO GO.

THIS MAY ONCE AGAIN GO TO THE SUPREME COURT.

YOU ALSO MAY SEE OTHER STATES TAKING ACTION BECAUSE OF THE ONGOING HARM IN THEIR OWN STATES AS WOMEN THIS THEIR OWN STATE AREN'T ABLE TO ACCESS ABORTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE TO GO TO CONGRESS.

THEY NEED TO REPEAL THE HYDE AMENDMENT, THEY NEED TO PASS THE WOMEN'S HEALTH AMENDMENT ACT.

WE NEED TO PUSH FOR THESE THINGS, ALONG WITH THE JOHN LEWIS ACT AND VOTING RIGHTS ACT, ARE JIM.

WE HAVE GOT TO FIGHT ON ALL FRONTS BECAUSE WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE, I THINK PEOPLE DON'T APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IN JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ALONE, WE'VE HAD 47 STATE LEGISLATURES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TRY TO PASS MORE THAN 600 ANTIABORTION BILLS.

WE'VE GOT TO FIGHT THIS ON ALL FRONTS.

>> Braude: BY THE WAY, IF THE DEMOCRATS UNANIMOUSLY ARE WILLING TO ABOLISH THE FILIBUSTER AND HAVE MAJORITY RULE THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THOSE THINGS, QUICKLY BEFORE YOU GO, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE KNOW THE VOTE WAS 5-4, JUDGE ROBERTS VOTED WITH THE LIBERALS IN THIS CASE ESSENTIALLY MAKING CLARENCE THOMAS THE CHIEF JUSTICE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES.

THE THREE TRUMP APPOINTEES AVERAGE AGE YOUNG, 50, THE RESPONSE, MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE, I'M AMONGST THEM, THAT THEY WERE SAYING EXACTLY WHAT THEY INTENDED TO ROE V. WADE AND OTHER THINGS WITH THIS DECISION.

WHAT SOLUTION IS THERE FOR THE COURT TO STAY IN LINE WITH THE PEOPLE WITHOUT DON'T SUPPORT THIS, THEN EXPANSION OF THE COURT WHICH PEOPLE LIKE JOE BIDEN SEEM TO HAVE VIRTUALLY NO INTEREST?

>> YEAH, I READ WROTE AN EDITORIAL TODAY ON THIS OP ED PIECE AND BASICALLY POINTED OUT THIS IS A SITUATION THAT IS ANTI-DEMOCRATIC.

80 PERCENT OF AMERICANS SUPPORT ROE YET WE HAVE A SUPREME COURT THAT EFFECTIVELY OVERRULES ROE TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE ALSO HAVE THE ONEROUS BANS IN PLACE ACROSS THE COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE OTHER STATES TRY TO DO WHAT TEXAS JUST DID.

AND WE GET THERE BECAUSE OF THE GERRYMANDERING, THE VOTER SUPPRESSION, AND ALL OF THAT.

SO WE'VE GOT TO DO OUR DARNTEDDEST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING ON ISSUES LIKE VOTER SUPPRESSION AND I WOULD SAY THIS, THE COURT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ITS JOB, THEY DUCTED IT AND DO THEIR JOB THE OTHER DAY, IF WOMEN HAVE HAD TO TRAVEL A THOUSAND MILES IN A SINGLE CAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE PAID LEAVE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE CHILD CARE, THEY NEED TO GO IN A SINGLE DAY, DRIVE A THOUSAND MILES AND BACK TO HAVE A PROCEDURE.

PEOPLE WHO HAD TO FLEE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR A RIDE, FLEE AN ABUSIVE HUSBAND AND GET AN ABORTION.

I MEAN HOW CAN YOU AS A MATTER OF JUSTICE IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT ROE V. WADE SAYS IN TERMS OF PRECEDENT NOT DO YOUR JOB.

AND I HOPE THAT WE SEE THAT IN THE COMING WEEKS AND WE'VE GOT TO SEE A COURT ENTER AN ORDER BLOCKING THIS BAN.

>> Braude: AND WE ONLY HAVE 15 SECONDS LEFT, IF THEY CONTINUE DOWN THE SAME TRACK, WOULD YOU SUPPORT EXPANSION OF THE COURT QUICKLY IF YOU CAN.

>> I HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED THAT AS A GENERAL MATTER.

AT THIS POINT I THINK ALL ACTIONS HEED TO BE ON THE TABLE AM BUT I HOPE WE DON'T GET THERE.

CERTAINLY I THINK IT'S TIME TO END THE FILIBUSTER.

MAURA HEALEY I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

A GROUP OF YOUNG WOMEN BROUGHT A SENATE CONGRESSIONAL HEARING TO A STOP YESTERDAY WITH TESTIMONY THAT WAS BOTH ENRAGING AND HEARTBREAKING, AS THEY RECOUNTED ONE OF THE BIGGEST SEX ABUSE CASES IN RECENT MEMORY.

THE U.S. GYMNASTS WHO FAMOUSLY SPOKE OUT AGAINST SERIAL PREDATOR LARRY NASSAR, THE TEAM DOCTOR WHO SEXUALLY ABUSED HUNDREDS OF GIRLS AND WOMEN OVER TWO DECADES AND WHO IS NOW SERVING UP TO 175 YEARS BEHIND BARS, TESTIFIED ON CAPITOL HILL YESTERDAY ABOUT HOW THE F.B.I.

BOTCHED THE INVESTIGATION FROM THE BEGINNING: >> TO BE CLEAR, I BLAME LARRY NASSAR.

AND I ALSO BLAME AN ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT ENABLED AND PERPETRATED HIS ABUSE.

>> WHAT IS THE POINT OF REPORTING ABUSE IF OUR OWN F.B.I.

AGENTS ARE GOING TO TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO BURY THAT REPORT IN A DRAWER?

>> IT DISGUSTS ME THAT WE ARE STILL FIGHTING FOR THE MOST BASIC ANSWERS AND ACCOUNTABILITY OVER SIX YEARS LATER.

>> Braude: FOR HIS PART, F.B.I.

DIRECTOR CHRISTOPHER WRAY-- WHO DID NOT LEAD THE AGENCY AT THE TIME-- TOLD LAWMAKERS THERE WAS NO EXCUSE FOR THE AGENCY'S FAILURES: >> THE ACTIONS AND INACTION OF THE F.B.I.

EMPLOYEES DETAILED IN THIS REPORT ARE TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

IT'S MY COMMITMENT TO YOU, THAT I AND MY ENTIRE SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM ARE GOING TO MAKE DAMN SURE EVERYBODY AT THE F.B.I.

REMEMBERS WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN HEARTBREAKING DETAIL.

>> Braude: SO, WHAT WENT WRONG?

WILL ANYONE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS IS MARY MAZIO, A FORMER OLYMPIC ROWER WHO IS NOW A PROLIFIC DOCUMENTARY FILM MAKER, AND NATASHA TIDWELL, A FORMER POLICE OFFICER AND FEDERAL PROSECUTOR FOR BOTH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS.

BOOED TO SEE YOU BOTH.

>> HEY, SWRIM, HOW ARE YOU?

>> Braude: I'M GOOD, I'M GOOD, THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME.

MARY, CAN I START WITH YOU.

HOW WAS NASSAR ABLE TO OPERATE IN U.S.A.

GYMNASTICS AND MOLEST SO MANY WOMEN FOR SO LONG?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS EXCRUCIATING, RIGHT.

AND HE WAS OPERATING UNDER THE GUISE OF-- GUISE OF THIS PROCEDURE.

AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF TRUST GIVEN TO HIM.

AND WHAT IS FASCINATING, JIM, AND I MAY HAVE SAID THIS TO YOU BEFORE, I REMEMBER TRAINING OUT IN COLORADO SPRINGS AND I WAS PART OF THE ROWING TEAM.

AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OLDER.

AND SEEING THE GYMNASTS WALK IN, THESE ARE LITTLE GIRLS.

AND THEY ARE PHYSICALLY LITTLE, THEY'RE YOUNG, AND THEY WALKED IN, AND THEY WOULD BE TRAINING AND NO SMILES, EVEN BACK THEN, AND THAT WAS 1992.

THERE WAS THIS, IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THEIR CHILDHOOD WAS BEING ROBBED.

NOW NOBODY REALLY KNEW ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THIS.

I THINK LARRY NASSAR QUITE FRANKLY IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

>> Braude: YEAH, WELL, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT IS NOT JUST YOU, BUT THAT IT IS THE GYMNASTICS, THE WHOLE OLYMPIC MOVEMENT THAT IS IS TARNISHED.

>> I THINK YOU WILL SEE ANYWHERE YOU SEE YOUNG CHILDREN THAT ARE COMPETING, AND I THINK THIS OBVIOUSLY CALLS FOR SORT OF MINIMUM WAGES, YOU KNOW, SHOULD YOU BE HAVING THESE CAMPS WHERE PARENTS AREN'T ALLOWED.

ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG ATHLETES.

I THINK ALL OF THIS, I THINK YOU MIGHT SEE THIS WITH SKATING.

I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THIS, AGAIN, ANY OF THE ATHLETIC DISCIPLINES ARE WHERE YOU HAVE VERY YOUNG CHILDREN THAT ARE ABLE-- .

>> Braude: REGARDLESS OF AGE THOUGH, THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE CAN GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO END UP BEING THE VICTIMS RATHER THAN THE VICTIMIZER.

YOU KNOW, NATD ASIA, I LISTENED TO CHRISTOPHER WRAY YESTERDAY AND I'M SAYING TO MYSELF, IT IS GREAT THAT HE APOLOGIZED.

IT IS GREAT THAT HE SAYS I ACKNOWLEDGE, I CAN'T EVEN EXPLAIN THE FAILURE ON THE PEOPLE ON OUR INDIANAPOLIS OFFICE TO DO THEIR JOBS AND NOT LIE.

THEY DID LIE.

THAT IS NOT MUCH OF AN EXPLANATION.

HOW DID THIS, HOW WAS THIS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN?

>> JIM T IS ASTOUNDING, REALLY, EXCEPT IT IS ALMOST NOT, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE CONTEXT WAS, I THINK IT WAS IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.

BUT SOMEONE SAID THE ANSWER TO ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS IS MONEY, RIGHT, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE USOC AND U.S.A.

GYMNASTICS AND, YOU ARE RIGHT, THAT THIS ISN'T SORT OF THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED AND IT WON'T BE THE LAST TIME BECAUSE THESE ARE REVENUE GENERATING SPORTS AND MACHINES.

AND SO FOR THE SAC IN INDIANAPOLIS WHO WAS ANGLING FOR A JOB WITH THE USOC, AND SO HE IS SORT OF TURNING A BLIND EYE, EVEN WITHIN THE U.S.A.

GYMNASTICS, THEY HAD DONE THEIR OWN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AND KNEW ALL THE STUFF AND HANDED IT OFF TO THE FBI BUT STILL DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

SO IN 2018 WHEN ROPES AND BRIGHT ISSUED THEIR REPORT TO THE USOC, THE EMAIL, THE GUIDING SORT OF PURPOSE WAS TO KEEP A LID ON NASSAR, TO KEEP, MAKE SURE NO ONE KNEW, SO I THINK THAT THE MOST STARTLING OR SORT OF HEARTBREAKING PART OF THIS, NOT ONLY IS WHAT McKAYLA MARONEY AND THESE YOUNG GIRLS WENT THROUGH BEFORE, BUT THE FACT THAT THERE WERE MORE THAN 70 INSTANCES AFTER PEOPLE IN A POSITION TO STOP IT KNEW ABOUT IT, AND NOTHING WAS DONE.

AND SO YOU KNOW, THE LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THERE IS NO D-- THERE IS NOTHING THAT THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO MAKE THIS RIGHT-- CHRISTOPHER WRAY CAN DO AND SAY TO MAKE IT RIGHT EXCEPT TO HAVE SOME MEASURE OF ACCOUNT ABLE.

SAC WAS ALLOWED TO RETIRE, THEY FINALLY FIRED SOMEONE ON THE EVE OF THIS CONGRESSIONAL HEARING BUT IT IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO SORT OF REMEDY WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

>> WELL, EXACTLY.

LET ME FOLLOW YOU UP ON THAT NATASHA, MARY, ONE SECOND IF I MAY.

THE THING THEY CAN DO, NATASHA, IS PROSECUTE THESE DAMN FBI AGENTS.

I MEAN IN ONE CASE THE GUY WHO WAS FIRED, AS YOU SAY, COINCIDENTALLY TWO WEEKS BEFORE THIS HEARING, IS DOCUMENTED TO HAVE LIED.

NOT ONLY DELAYED DOING ANYTHING BUT LYING.

THIS OTHER GUY, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO, AT THE SAME TIME THAT HE IS DOING NOTHING AND LYING IN HIS REPORTS ABOUT WHAT THESE YOUNG WOMEN TOLD HIM, HE IS NEGOTIATING WITH THE HEAD OF U.S.A.

GYMNASTICS FOR A JOB WITH THE OLYMPICS COMMITTEE.

HOW HAVE THEY NOT BEEN PROSECUTED FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, NATASHA?

>> YOU KNOW, THE IG REPORT THAT YOU JUST CAME OUT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING, SAYS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DECLINED TO PROSECUTE THESE CASES.

AND SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SORT OF EXPLORE HOW THAT IS THAT THEY COULD GIVE THESE BLATANTLY FALSE STATEMENTS TO FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS.

>> EXACTSLY.

>> AND NOT BE PROSECUTED BECAUSE ANYONE ELSE WHO DID THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE PROSECUTED.

AND SO I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER AS TO WHY THE DEPARTMENT WOULD DECLINE PROSECUTION, BECAUSE IT SEEMS AS IF IF YOU WANT TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LYING TO FEDERAL AGENTS, YOU KNOW, THEY BRING A THOUSAND AND ONE CHARGES AGAINST ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE, MARTHA STEWART, WHOMEVER FOR LYING BUT THIS TIME PEOPLE LIED AND AT LEAST 70 GIRLS WERE MOLESTED AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE FROM A CRIMINAL PERSPECTIVE.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW MARY, I WANT TO PICK UP ON WHAT YOU SAID, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE OTHER CHALLENGE, HAVING HAD REALLY INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE FBI AROUND SEX TRAFFICKING OF CHILDREN.

IT IS CLEAR THAT THE FBI IS OVERWHELMED WITH CHILD ABUSE CASES.

AND THIS VERY WELL-- SO YOU HAVE THE COMPLETE BUNGLING OF WHAT IS A HIGH PROFILE OLYMPIC CASE.

BUT I THINK THIS IS ENDEMIC WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT OF GIRLS AND EOMEN, LIKE PERIOD, FULL STOP.

AND I THINK THE FRK BI-- FBI HAS ITS HANDS FULL WITH CHILD ABUSE.

I REMEMBER SAYING HOW COME THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT AROUND SEX TRAFFICKING.

AND IT WAS LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE THE PERPEL.

IT IS NOT AN EXCUSE.

>> Braude: BUT IT IS ONE THING, IF I MAY.

>> AS NATASHA SAID, THERE IS BAND WIDTH FOR MARTHA STEWART, WELL, WHY ISN'T THERE MORE BAND WITT TO PROTECT GIRLS AND WOMEN.

>> Braude: IT IS ONE THING NOT TO BE ABLE TO ACT BECAUSE YOU ARE UNDERRESOURCED, IT IS ANOTHER THING TO AFFIRMATIVELY LIE ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE TOLD BY SURVIVORS.

BUT MARY, STAY WITHING YOU FOR A MINUTE AWAY FROM THE FBI, BACK TO THE OLYMPIC MOVEMENT.

I WANT TO GET TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, YOU ADD THIS THAT THIS IS HE GREECE UP, THAT SO MANY WOMEN ATHELETES ARE TALKING ABOUT SHOE COMPANIES DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THEM WHEN THEY GET PREGNANT, TO PEOPLE LIKE SOME OF THE GREATEST ATHLETES ON THE PLANET TALKING ABOUT HOW THE CRUSHING MENTAL HEALTH BURDEN DOESN'T JUST COME FROM THE STRESS OF THE SPORT BUT OFTEN FROM THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO LEAD THE SPORT.

I MEAN THIS IS FROM CORNER TO CORNER LIKE EPIDEMIC PROPORTION, IS IT NOT?

>> IT IS.

AND IT IS EXCRUCIATING.

THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE IS THAT IF YOU RIPP ATHLETE ATHLETE REPORTING A SAFE SPORT VIOLATION, YOU HAVE TO GO PUBLIC, WHAT YOUNG PERSON IS GOING TO BE WILLING TO GO PUBLIC WITH THEIR OLYMPIC ASPIRATIONS ABOUT TO BE DASHED.

AND THAT IS, I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH ALL OF THIS.

I THINK THE OTHER THING IS YOU SEE THIS MEDIAWISE, WHO WON, WHO IS THE GOLDEN CHILD WHO IS GETTING THE ENDORSEMENT.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMEBODY DID THE STUDY LESS THAN 115 ATHLETES WILL WALK AWAY WITH A GOLD MEDAL, RIGHT, OUT OF THE SUMMER GAMES OR WHATEVER IT IS.

A FRACTION ACTUALLY WIN MEDALS.

AND YET THE INTENSE GLASS CAGE BRESHURE ON THESE ATHLETES, AND MANY OF THEM ARE VERY YOUNG WOMEN.

IT IS EXCRUCIATING, JIM.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, NATASHA, LAST THING, GETTING BACK TO ACCOUNTABILITY IF I CAN.

THERE IS A PROPOSED 425 MILLION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT FROM U.S.A.

GYMNASTICS, TWICE THE LEVEL OF WHAT WAS ALREADY REJECTED BY THIS GROUP OF YOUNG WOMEN.

AGAIN, THERE'S THAT.

THERE IS THE MEA CUL PA FROM DIRECTOR WRAY, IF ARE YOU BACK ON THE SHOW IN A YEAR, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE END OF ACCOUNTABILITY, WRITING A CHECK AND AN APOLOGY FROM THE HEAD OF THE FBI?

>> I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT.

AND AS WAS ELUDED TO, IT IS NOT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE, WHAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS AND THERE WASN'T MUCH GOING ON THERE, BUT THE FBI REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT T IS IN THE INVESTIGATION OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL ABUSE OF WOMEN AND GIRLS AND THE MINUTE MIZZATION OF THE VOICES OF WOMEN AND GIRM BUT WHEN YOU LISTEN McKAYLA MARONEY SAY AS SHE WAS WRITING, WELL, IS THAT T HE DIDN'T EVEN WRITE A REPORT, SO THERE IS NO SORT OF TRAUMA INFORMED INTERVIEW PRACTICES, THEY ARE DOING THIS OVER THE PHONE WITH A 16 YEAR OLD GIRL, SO I WOULD LIKE CHRISTOPHER WRAY TO COME BACK IN A YEAR AND SAY MUCH LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE WAKE OF WHITEY BULGER AND THE HIGH ECHELON INFORMANTS PROGRAM, IS TO SAY THAT WE HAVE REVAMPED THE WAY THAT WE INTERVIEW SURVIVORS AND VICTIMS AND COMPLAINANTS, THE WAY WE INVESTIGATION SEXUAL TRAFFICKING, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND TO BRING PEOPLE INTO ACCOUNT, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE NOT DOING THEM HERE, AND HE SPEAKS TO HOW WOMEN AND GIRLS ARE TREATED IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

>> WELL, IF WE ADD TO THAT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SHARING A CELL WITH LARRY NASSAR, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE A PERFECT END.

MARY MAZIO, NATASHIA TIDWELL, THANKS.

OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, COVID HAS TRANSFORMED THE WAY WE LIVE, CREATING BRAND-NEW HABITS, AND DISRUPTING ROUTINES WE USED TO TAKE FOR GRANTED.

NOW, AS WE TRY TO MOVE BEYOND THE PANDEMIC, THERE COULD BE LASTING IMPLICATIONS FOR THE BUILDINGS WHERE WE SPEND BIG CHUNKS OF OUR LIVES.

ADAM REILLY HAS MORE.

>> Reporter: IF YOU WORK, OR USED TO, IN A RELATIVELY NEW BUILDING-- LIKE GBH HEADQUARTERS-- THE WINDOWS AROUND YOUR DESK PROBABLY DON'T OPEN.

FOR A COUPLE GOOD REASONS, SAYS ARCHITECT RUSSEL FELDMAN.

YEARS, WE'VE BECOME INCREASINGLY CONCERNED WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND THE IMPACT OF COURSE ON OUR OPERATING COSTS.

>> Reporter: BUT RIGHT NOW, SO-CALLED INOPERABLE WINDOWS ARE A PUBLIC-HEALTH LIABILITY, SINCE LESS AIR FLOW MEANS MORE RISK FROM THE VIRUS.

AS WE EMERGE FROM THE PANDEMIC, FELDMAN THINKS THAT INSIGHT WILL STICK WITH US.

>> WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF CONVERSIONS OF CURRENT SEALED BUILDINGS INTO BUILDINGS THAT WOULD HAVE WINDOWS THAT OPEN.

>> Reporter: ALONG WITH NEW BUILDINGS WHERE THEY OPEN AS A MATTER OF COURSE.

AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY WAY THE WORKPLACE MAY GET AIRIER.

>> A NUMBER OF OFFICE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN LOOKING TO PROVIDE OUTDOOR SPACE FOR THEIR TENANTS.

>> Reporter: SPECIFICALLY, SAYS THE BOSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AGENCY'S MICHAEL CANNIZZO, ROOF DECKS-- WHICH USED TO BE A MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL AMENITY.

THERE ARE TWO RELATED IMPULSES HERE: A PUSH TO MAKE OFFICES HEALTHIER, AND MUCH MORE INVITING, AS SOME WONDER IF THEY'RE STILL NECESSARY AT ALL.

>> WHEN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY SAYS IT'S TIME TO COME BACK TO THE WORKPLACE, THE QUESTION IS: WHY?

>> Reporter: ARCHITECT MIKE DAVIS AND HIS COLLEAGUES ARE TRYING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THEMSELVES, CREATING DECENTRALIZED WORK AREAS, AND CURATED COMMON SPACES WHERE EMPLOYEES DO THE DECORATING.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE MAKING THEIR OFFICE MORE LIKE HOME.

>> Reporter: OF COURSE, OFFICES WERE JUST ONE PART OF BOSTON'S PRE-PANDEMIC BUILDING BOOM.

RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WERE A DRIVER, TOO.

AND THEY'RE ALSO GETTING A RETHINK.

SMENDING A LOT MORE TIME IN OUR HOMES YOU START NOTICING THINGS YOU DIDN'T BEFORE AND CRAVE FOR CERTAIN THINGS.

>> Reporter: LIKE FRESH AIR, AND OPEN SPACE.

AT 2147 WASHINGTON STREET, IN BOSTON'S NUBIAN SQUARE, THEY'LL BE FURNISHED BY AN INTERIOR COURTYARD, THAT WILL ALSO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

>> ANYONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN COME TO THAT COURTYARD, AND ENJOY IT, AND HAVE-- WITH DISTANCE BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND OTHERS-- FRESH AIR AND DAYLIGHT.

>> Reporter: BUT INSIDE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, THE RECENT VOGUE FOR BIG, SHARED SPACES MAY BE OVER.

EVEN BEFORE COVID, DESIGNER LINDSAY BACH SAYS.

>> AT THE LARGE COMMUNAL TABLE, ONCE ONE PERSON WAS THERE, NOBODY WANTED TO SIT THERE.

>> Reporter: SHE PREDICTS A SURGE IN NEW, PRIVATE SPACES INSIDE THOSE COMMON AREAS-- ASSEMBLED AND REASSEMBLED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

>> CO-WORKING BY DAY, AND THEN OPEN IT UP AND IT'S DINING BY NIGHT.

>> Reporter: THE NUMBER OF POSSIBLE CHANGES GOES ON.

BUILDING NEAR THE "T" MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH OF A NO-BRAINER AS IT WAS.

AT RESTAURANTS, WALK-UP WINDOWS AND OUTDOOR DINING COULD BE HERE TO STAY.

AND IF ENOUGH PEOPLE KEEP WORKING-- EMPTY OFFICES MIGHT BE CONVERTED INTO HOUSING.

ONE THING SEEMS CERTAIN: BUILDINGS DESIGNED AFTER COVID WON'T BE THE SAME AS BUILDINGS DESIGNED BEFORE.

ADAM REILLY, GBH NEWS.

>> Braude: WHILE ALL THOSE CHANGES MAY TAKE A WHILE TO BECOME EVIDENT, BOSTON HAS ALREADY SEEN ONE SHIFT OVER THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR-- LESS INTEREST IN NEW OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, AND A LOT MORE INTEREST IN LAB SPACE.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

BUT COME BACK TOMORROW.

ADAM REILLY, THE GBH NEWS POLITICAL TEAM, AND "NEW YORK TIMES" NEW ENGLAND BUREAU CHIEF ELLEN BARRY, AMONG OTHERS, WILL EXPLORE THE BOSTON MAYORAL RACE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CITY'S FRAUGHT RACIAL HISTORY, WITH THE EYES OF THE NATION UPON US, IN BOSTON'S RACE INTO HISTORY.

THAT'S TOMORROW AT 7:00, RIGHT HERE ON GBH 2, AND ONLINE AT GBHNews.org.

THANKS FOR WATCHING, AND STAY SAFE.

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