[ ♪♪♪ ] >> OKLAHOMA MOURNS THE LOSS OF TWO OFFICERS WHO PAID THE ULTIMATELY PRICE TO PROTECT AND SERVE.

>> YOU DON'T REPLACE BOBBY.

YOU TAKE WHAT HE'S GIVEN YOU.

>> THE CHEROKEE NATION EXTENDS A FORMAL APOLOGY TO THE FREEDMEN CITIZENS.

>> WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WERE TIMES THAT WE IMPOSED TRAUMA ON OTHERS.

>> MAKING A CAREER OF E-SPORTS.

OKLAHOMA COLLEGES ARE NOW OFFERING DEGREES.

>> E-SPORTS, FOR US, IS SPECIFIC TO A CERTAIN SET OF GAMES AND A TOOL STUDENTS CAN USE TO GET THEIR DEGREE, WHETHER THROUGH SCHOLARSHIP OR FINDING COMMUNITY.

>> THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION UNVEILS A NEW PROGRAM TO COINCIDE.

>> SUICIDE PREVENTION MONTH.

>> PRESS 1 TO GET TO US.

24/7, 365, THEY CAN REACH US.

>> PLUS, AN IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ON BIDEN'S PLAN TO FORGIVE COLLEGE STUDENT LOANS NEXT ON THE "THE OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT."

HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO "THE OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT" I'M RICH LENZ.

REPLACING A DEPUTY LIKE BOBBY SWARTZ IS IMPOSSIBLE AND, YET, HIS POSITION WILL EVENTUALLY BE FILLED BY ANOTHER PERSON WILLING TO ACCEPT THE DAY-TO-DAY DANGERS THAT GO ALONG WITH BEING A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

WE ATTENDED HIS FUNERAL A WEEK AGO.

STEVE SHAW JOINS US WITH MORE AND THE TASK AHEAD.

>> Reporter: RICH, THE LAST TIME AN OKLAHOMA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS KILLED ON THE JOB WAS WAY BACK IN 1935.

SERGEANT BOBBY SWARTZ'S DEATH IS SOMETHING OKLAHOMA COUNTY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT EVERYWHERE WILL BE DEALING WITH PROBABLY FOR A LONG TIME.

FOUR DAYS AFTER THE GUNSHOT THAT MURDER OF BELOVED OKLAHOMA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SERGEANT BOBBY SWARTZ, THOUSANDS OF MOURNERS GATHERED AT CROSSINGS COMMUNITY CHURCH IN OKLAHOMA CITY LAST FRIDAY TO HONOR HIM.

>> YOU DON'T REPLACE BOBBY.

WHAT YOU DO IS YOU TAKE WHAT HE'S GIVEN YOU, THE COURAGE THAT HE SHOWED, NOT JUST THE DAY THAT HE DIED, BUT EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS IN HIS SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU TAKE AWAY THE KINDNESS THAT HE SHOWED PEOPLE, THE COMPASSION THAT HE SHOWED PEOPLE, AND YOU TRY TO BECOME A BETTER MAN BECAUSE OF IT.

>> Reporter: DEPUTY SWARTZ AND FELLOW VETERAN DEPUTY MARK JOHNS LAST MONDAY AFTERNOON WERE ATTEMPTING TO SERVE AN EVICTION NOTICE, SOMETHING THEY HAD DONE THOUSANDS OF TIMES BEFORE.

TO 35-YEAR-OLD BENJAMIN PLANK.

PLANK'S MOTHER, INVESTIGATORS SAY, WAS IN THE PROCESS OF FILING A PROTECTION ORDER AGAINST HER SON AND WANTED HIM EVICTED FROM A HOUSE.

LAST TUESDAY, A DAY AFTER THE MURDER, OKLAHOMA CITY POLICE CHIEF WADE GOURLEY SAID PLANK HAD NO INTENTION OF GOING QUIETLY.

>> I COULD TELL YOU WITH 100% CONFIDENCE HE WAS PLANNING ON KILLING ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT CAME TO HIS HOUSE, 100%.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED WHAT UNIFORM YOU WORE THAT DAY, IT WAS HIS PLAN TO KILL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> Reporter: HE SAID BENJAMIN PLANK WAS UNCOOPERATIVE.

>> DEPUTY SWARTZ WENT TO THE BACK DOOR WHEN THE SHOTS STARTED, HITTING HIM MULTIPLE TIMES.

>> Reporter: DEPUTY JOHNS GALLANTLY TRIED TO SHIELD BOBBY SWARTZ WITH HIS BODY AND WAS HIT SEVERAL TIMES, SHRAPNEL THAT CLIPPED HIS FEMORAL ARTERY NEARLY KILLING HIM, TOO.

>> HOW IS THE THIRD DEPUTY?

>> SHE IS SHAKEN UP.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.

SHE'S TAKING HER TIME OFF.

I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

SHE'S OKAY.

>> Reporter: PLANK THEN LED OFFICERS FROM SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS ON A CHASE THAT LASTED ABOUT 30 MINUTES, A CHASE THAT ENDED WHEN PLANK DROVE HIS GETAWAY TRUCK WHICH WAS PULLING A BOAT TO AN ENTRANCE AT TINKER AIR FORCE BASE.

POLICE TACKLED AND TASED HIM WHO STILL REFUSED TO FOLLOW COMMANDS.

>> WHEN WE SEARCHED THE VEHICLE WHEN THE PURSUIT WAS OVER, THERE WAS A BAG FOUND INSIDE THE BOAT, AND IN THAT BAG, THERE WERE MULTIPLE FIREARMS AND LOTS OF AMMUNITION.

HE WAS DEFINITELY READY FOR A CONFRONTATION.

♪ I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT... ♪♪ >> Reporter: AT DEPUTY SWARTZ'S FUNERAL LAST FRIDAY, FORMER SHERIFF P.D.

TAYLOR OFFERED ANOTHER GLIMPSE OF WHY SWARTZ WAS SO LOVED.

>> EVERY MORNING WHEN HE WOULD COME TO WORK TO GET HIS PAPERS, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF OTHER DEPUTIES THERE, AND BOBBY LIKED TO COME IN AND STIR UP THE GROUP.

HE LIKED TO MAYBE TALK, BUT BRING UP SOMETHING ABOUT RELIGION, POLITICS, FOOTBALL, WHATEVER.

>> Reporter: DEPUTIES LIKE SERGEANT BOBBY SWARTZ YOU REALLY CAN'T REPLACE DESPITE THE 25 YEARS OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRY.

>> WHAT YOU DO IS YOU TAKE WHAT HE'S GIVEN YOU.

THE COURAGE THAT HE SHOWED, NOT JUST THE DAY HE DIED, BUT EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS IN HIS SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU TAKE AWAY THE KINDNESS THAT HE SHOWED PEOPLE, THE COMPASSION THAT HE SHOWED PEOPLE, AND YOU TRY TO BECOME A BETTER MAN BECAUSE OF IT.

>> Reporter: FOR THE SHORT TERM, NINE OKLAHOMA COUNTY DEPUTIES, INCLUDING JOE AND AARON BRILBECK SWORN IN AS A DEPUTY A MONTH AGO AFTER WORKING 30 PLUS YEAR IN TV NEWS WILL DO THEIR BEST TO PICK UP A SLACK IN A SMALL, PROUD UNIT THAT'S ALREADY SERVED NEARLY 15,000 COURT ORDERS THIS YEAR.

>> IT'S IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND.

WILL THAT HAPPEN TO US?

>> Reporter: ALWAYS.

>> ALWAYS.

WHEN I STARTED DOING THIS JOB, I REALIZED THIS MIGHT HAPPEN.

I WILL DO MY BEST TO GO HOME TO MY FAMILY, TO MY WIFE, TO MY DAUGHTER.

>> THE MOST DIFFICULT ONE TO SERVE IS AN ORDER EVICTING SOMEBODY FROM THEIR HOME.

OBVIOUSLY, WE GIVE THEM PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES.

SOMETIMES, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO KICK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES.

BOBBY WOULD SAY, LOOK, I'M SORRY I'VE GOT TO DO THIS, BUT HERE ARE SOME RESOURCES FOR YOU.

HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN GET SOME MONEY RIGHT NOW.

>> Reporter: THESE MEN ARE SHEPHERDS, THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE SHEPHERDS.

>> WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR SHEPHERDS.

>> Reporter: LEONARD SCOTT IS A RETIRED ARMY RANGER WHO SERVED IN VIETNAM.

OUTSIDE THE FUNERAL LAST WEEK, HE STOOD POST IN THE BLISTERING HEAT CLUTCHING AN AMERICAN FLAG.

>> SIR, THESE ARE MY BROTHERS.

THESE POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREMEN ARE ON THE FRONTLINE EVERY DAY, JUST LIKE I WAS.

>> WE'VE BEEN -- AS POLICE OFFICERS, WE'VE BEEN BASHED FOR YEARS.

THE PAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN ESPECIALLY TOUGH.

HOW DO YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY, HEY, FOR A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY WE WANT YOU TO GO AND RISK YOUR LIFE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IT TAKES A PERSON WHO IS GENUINELY COMMITTED TO MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

>> Reporter: ON AUGUST 19th, LONGTIME OSAGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAPITAL WILLIAM HARGRAVES WAS KILLED WHEN A VEHICLE BEING DRIVEN BY A 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL SLAMMED INTO HIS TRUCK.

THE OHP SAYS HE WAS TRAPPED IN THE WRECKAGE FOR SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE HE WAS GOTTEN OUT.

>> FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS NEARLY 100-YEAR HISTORY, THE OKLAHOMA BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION WILL BE LED BY A WOMAN.

AUNGELA SPURLOCK WAS ELEVATED TO THE POST.

SPURLOCK HAS WORKED FOR THE OSBI FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

>> THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION HAS UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED TEMPORARY RULES FOR SCHOOLS TO PLY WITH A NEW LAW THAT MANDATES SEPARATE REST ROOMS BASED ON THE SEX LISTED ON A STUDENT'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

IT PROVIDES THEM WITH DUE PROCESS.

UNDER THE NEW RULE, PSYCHOLOGIST WILL BE NOTIFIED IF THERE ARE COMPLIANCE CONCERNS AND GIVEN 15 DAYS TO APPEAR.

A SPEAKER AT LAST THURSDAY'S MEETING VOICING CONCERNS OVER WHAT THIS WOULD MEAN FOR TRANSGENDER STUDENTS.

>> YOU CAN VOTE YES AND FURTHER MANY OF YOUR PERSONAL POLITICAL GOALS WHILE ENDORSING A LAW THAT CLEARLY VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION AND WILL FURTHER CONDITION THAT MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO SEE A FUTURE FOR THEMSELVES AND ULTIMATELY RESULT IN HIGHER RATES OF YOUTH DEATH BY SUICIDE.

OR, YOU CAN TAKE A STEP BACK.

YOU CAN VOTE NO TODAY.

>> BY A 3-2 VOTE, THE MEASURE DID PASS.

AT THAT SAME MEETING, THE STATE EDUCATION BOARD ALSO EJECTED APPEALS FROM TULSA PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND MUSTANG SCHOOLS TO REVERSE THE BOARD'S YEARLY DECISION TO ACCREDIT THOSE SCHOOLS WITH A WARNING FOR VIOLATING HOUSE BILL 1775, WHICH PROHIBITS TEACHING THAT ANYONE IS INHERENTLY RACIST, SEXIST OR OPPRESSIVE.

THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS HAS A CAMPAIGN.

THIS WEEK, I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH Dr. LISA KEARNEY TO HELP THE VA SPREAD THE WORD THAT HELP IS AVAILABLE.

Dr. LISA KEARNEY, TELL US WHAT DON'T WAIT, REACH OUT IS AND HOW IT WILL HELP WITH THE PROBLEM OF SUICIDE AMONGST VETERANS.

>> BY GOING TO THE CAMPAIGN'S WEBSITE va.gov/reach YOU CAN MAKE REACHING OUT EASIER.

>> DOCTOR, WE OFTEN THINK ABOUT THE VETERANS RETURNING FROM THE COMBAT ZONE AND SUFFERING FROM PTSD BUT THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE, THESE ARE HAPPENING MORE AND MORE AMONGST ACTIVE SERVICE MEMBERS, AREN'T THEY?

>> VETERANS ARE AT A HIGHER RISK FOR SUICIDE THAN U.S.

ADULTS.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP PREVENT VETERAN SUICIDE?

AND THAT'S THROUGH EARLY IDENTIFICATION OF CHALLENGES AND IT'S COMBINING A CLINICAL INTERVENTION APPROACH ALONGSIDE COMMUNITY PARTNERS, LIKE WORKING WITH YOU, TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT ABOUT HOW YOUCAN GET THE HELP.

>> LET'S SAY I'M A VETERAN AND I HAVE AN ISSUE I WANT TO ADDRESS.

WHAT DO I DO?

I GO FO A -- TO A WEBSITE?

>> GO TO va.gov/reach AND IDENTIFY THE RESOURCE GIVEN THE CONCERN YOU HAVE.

PART OF IT IS FINDING WHAT NUMBER TO CALL.

WHAT DO YOU NEED TO CONNECT WITH AND PUTS IT ALL IN ONE PLACE.

THE OTHER NUMBER TO REMEMBER AND PUT IT IN YOUR PHONE IS THE VETERAN CRISIS LINE HAS A NEW NUMBER.

DIAL 988 AND THEN PRESS 1 TO GET TO US, 24/7, 365.

>> WHAT ABOUT FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES AND FAMILY MEMBERS?

THEY, OBVIOUSLY, PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE IN SPOTTING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

WHAT SHOULD THEY LOOK FOR?

>> IF YOU HAVE A FOOTBALL BUDDY WHO USED TO COME OVER EVERY SUNDAY FOR GAMES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IS NOT COMING, YOU KNOW SOMETHING'S NOT QUITE RIGHT.

ASK THE QUESTION.

HOW ARE YOU DOING?

WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU?

ASK THEM IF THEY'RE HAVING THOUGHTS ABOUT SUICIDE.

IF YOU HAVE THAT FEELING IN YOUR GUT THAT THERE'S A CONCERN, A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR, THEY'RE DRINKING MORE, THEY'RE FEELING DEPRESSED AND YOU'RE NOTICING THAT CHANGE, BUT IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT SOMETIMES, ISN'T IT?

>> ASK THE QUESTION: ARE YOU SUICIDAL?

GO AHEAD AND ASK IT.

THAT CAN BE TOUGH.

>> IF YOU'RE FEELING ANXIOUS ABOUT IT, IMAGINE THEM ABOUT FEELING SUICIDAL OR HAVING THOSE THOUGHTS.

THE MORE THAT YOU NORMALIZE TALKING ABOUT IT, THE MORE CULTURE CAN ASK THE QUESTION AND FEEL OKAY ABOUT ASKING IT AND GETTING THEM THE SUPPORT.

MY DAD IS A VIETNAM VET.

HE WOULD TELL ME, LISA, IF YOU WERE FEELING LIKE THIS BACK IN THE MILITARY, THEY'D SAY, GO TO SICK CALL, TAKE TWO ASPIRIN, AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN A LITTLE BIT.

NORMALIZING THE DISCUSSION THAT WE ALL HAVE LIFE'S CHALLENGES.

>> THIS IS PART OF A 10-YEAR STRATEGY TO ELIMINATE VETERAN SUICIDE.

THAT'S A LOFTY GOAL.

TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT LONG-RANGE PLAN.

>> WE'VE BEEN ON A JOURNEY SINCE 2018 TO DO A PUBLIC HEALTH APPROACH TO SUICIDE PREVENTION, THAT DECLINED WITH CLINICAL INTERVENTIONS BECOME LIKE YOU MAY TRADITIONALLY THINK ABOUT TREATMENT FOR PTSD, TREATMENT FOR DEPRESSION, THAT'S A CRITICAL PART.

THE OTHER PART IS COMMUNITY PREVENTION.

AND THAT INVOLVES COMMUNICATION CAMPAIGNS, GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT, CHANGING THE CULTURE AROUND THIS SO IT'S LESS STIGMATIZING AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEING DECREASES IN SUICIDE, A REDUCTION OF 7.2% FROM 2014 TO 2018.

WE HAVE MORE TO DO.

>> DOCTOR, BEFORE WE GO, AGAIN, WHERE DO VETERANS OR FAMILY MEMBERS FIND DON'T WAIT, REACH OUT.

>> WE GO EASILY TO va.gov/REVP AND FOR FAMILY MEMBERS A SPREAD THE WORD PART.

YOU CAN POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR YOU.

THE VETERANS CRISIS LINE, DIAL 9-8-8, PRESS 1.

>> Dr. KEARNEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT.

>> THE CHEROKEE NATION IS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT MADE A MISTAKE IN NOT EXTENDING CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS TO FREEDMEN AND THEIR DESCENDANTS UNTIL 2017, SOMETHING ITS PRINCIPAL CHIEF SAYS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE 156 YEARS AGO UNDER THE TREATY OF 1866.

KENNEDY SEPULVADO HAS MORE ON THE LONG HISTORY THAT HAS CULMINATED WITH AN APOLOGY FROM CHUCK HOSKIN JR. >> Reporter: NEARLY 12,000 FREEDMEN DESCENDANTS HAVE ENROLLED IN THE CHEROKEE NATION IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

JUST THIS MONTH, THE CHEROKEE NATIONAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN TAHLEQUAH, OKLAHOMA UNVEILED A NEW EXHIBIT THAT HONORS FREEDMEN AND SHARED THEIR STORY.

>> WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WERE TIMES THAT WE IMPOSED TRAUMA ON OTHERS.

>> Reporter: CHUCK HOSKIN Jr.

PRINCIPAL CHIEF AT THE CHEROKEE NATION, SAYS THE TRIBE IS FACING ITS HISTORY BY EMBRACING THE SPIRIT OF EQUALITY.

>> ANY NATION IS A STRONGER NATION IF THEY TELL THE STRATEGY, TRIUMPH AND THE CHAPTERS THAT ARE DARK AND DIFFICULT.

I HOPE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HAPPENED.

I ALSO HOPE THEY COME AWAY WITH SOME HOPE THAT WE'RE IN A NEW ERA IN WHICH, YES, WE'RE RECOGNIZING THAT HISTORY, BUT WE'RE ALSO WORKING TOWARDS COLLECTIVE HEALING.

>> Reporter: THE NEW EXHIBIT DETAILS SLAVERY AND EMANCIPATION ON THE CHEROKEE RESERVATION, DETAILS OF THE TREATY OF 1866, THE VOTE THAT RELINQUISHED CHEROKEE FREEDMEN CITIZENSHIP.

>> THE MOST COMPELLING PART OF THIS EXHIBIT WERE THE STORIES BY THE FREEDMEN.

A LARGE-SCALE INSTALLATION OF THOSE COMMUNITY VOICES THAT TELL THE STORIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY.

>> MY MOTHER WORKED EXTREMELY HARD FOR THE RIGHTS OF HER CHILDREN, HER FAMILY, ALL OF US.

AND SO, I MUST SAY, I'M THANKFUL.

I'M THANKFUL THAT WE'VE MOVED FORWARD, AND I AM PROUD TO SAY I AM CHEROKEE.

>> Reporter: THE CHEROKEE NATION, ALONG WITH THE CHICSAW NATION GRANTED FULL CITIZENSHIP TO FREEDMEN.

ARTICLE 9 OF THE TREATY OF 1866, SIGNED BY THE CHEROKEE NATION, STATES ALL FREEDMEN AND THEIR DESCENDANTS SHALL HAVE ALL RIGHTS OF NATIVE CHEROKEES.

HOWEVER, IN 2007, THE CHEROKEE PEOPLE VOTED TO DEFINE CITIZENSHIP BY BLOOD WHICH COST 2800 FREEDMEN THEIR TRIBAL CITIZENSHIP.

THE CHEROKEE NATION REVERSED THAT NATION IN 2017 AND SUPREME COURT RULED TO REMOVE BY BLOOD FROM THE CONSTITUTION IN 2021.

>> WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THE UNITED STATES ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY PART OF EVERY TREATY WE HAVE.

WE CAN'T DO IT IF WE DENY THE EXISTENCE OF THE PROLIFERATION -- PROVISIONS IN THE TREATIES.

>> Reporter: THE SEMINOLE NATION KEPT THE PROMISE.

AND THREE OF THE FIVE TRIBES DID NOT KEEP THE PROMISES.

THE CHICKASAW NATION SENT A STATEMENT THAT READS: FEW THINGS ARE MORE SENSITIVE THAN A TRIBE'S RIGHT TO DETERMINE ITS OWN CITIZENSHIP.

THE CITIZENSHIP STATUS OF FREEDMEN WITH THE UNITED STATES WAS LONG AGOLIGHTED AND THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HELD IN 1904 THAT OUR TREATIES AND LAW NEITHER VESTED FRED MIEN WITH CITIZENSHIP.

THE SUPREME COURT CONCLUDED THAT, QUOTE, THE CHICK KOO SAW FREEDMEN ARE NOT MEMBERS OF THAT TRIBE WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE AGREEMENT TO THE VOTE OF A MALE MEMBERS OF THE TRIBE QUALIFIED TO VOTE.

IN 2021, PRINCIPAL CHIEF AT THE CHOCTAW NATION SENT AN OPEN LETTER EXPRESSING WILLINGNESS TO EXTEND RIGHTS TO CHOCTAW FREEDMEN, QUOTE, TODAY WE REACH OUT TO THE CHOCTAW FREEDMEN, WE SEE YOU, WE HEAR YOU, WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION REGARDING OUR SHARED PAST.

>> WE'RE RESPONDING TO SOMETHING WE THOUGHT WAS SINCERE.

WE'RE HOPING IT WAS NOT JUST AN EMPTY GESTURE, BUT ONE MUST ALSO REFLECT WHAT WAS GOING ON A YEAR AGO.

A YEAR AGO, THERE WAS REVISITING -- BEING REVIEWED.

WAIT A MINUTE NOW.

MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT A CLAUSE IN THERE.

>> Reporter: NOTHING EVER CAME FROM THAT OPEN LETTER.

PRINCIPAL CHIEF BATTEN SENT A STATEMENT THAT READS, IN PART, TRIBAL MEMBERSHIP FOR FREEDMEN AND A SENSITIVE AND COMPLEX TOPIC.

OVER THE PAST YEAR, OUR LEADERSHIP HAS RESPECTFULLY TAKEN TIME TO CONSIDER THIS ISSUE, AND WE'VE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK.

WE PROACTIVE RECEIVED MESSAGES FROM VERY VIEW PEOPLE SO WE ASKED ABOUT THE TOPIC.

THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY CLEAR.

WHILE OUR MEMBERS HAVE SYMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WHOSE ANCESTORS WERE ENSLAVED, THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING CLEAR DEFINITIONS OF WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR MEMBERSHIP IN OUR TRIBE.

>> THEY WERE FARED BY INDIAN MEN AND ENSLAVED WOMEN.

OF COURSE, THE POLICY WAS, OH, WE FOLLOW THE STATUS OF THE MOTHER.

>> Reporter: MUSKOGEE CREEK NATION CONSIDERED EXPANDING THEIR CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS TO FREEDMEN IN 2021.

HOWEVER, THOSE RIGHTS NEVER K5I78.

-- CAME.

AS A NATION THAT HAS ENDURED POLICIES INTENDED TO EXTERMINATE US, THE IDEA OF GRANTING CITIZENSHIP TO ANY NON-CREEK PERSON.

QUITE FRANKLY, OUR CITIZENS STAND ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE.

BUT THE SOLUTION IS NOT ANOTHER COLONIAL INTERVENTION BY THE UNITED STATES.

>> UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK A SENTIMENT THAT MAY COME FROM THE TRIBAL SECTOR.

THERE'S ALIEN PEOPLE TRYING TO FORCE THEMSELVES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WERE ALREADY THERE.

>> Reporter: THE CHEROKEE NATION IS HOSTING A RECEPTION TO CELEBRATE THE OPENING OF THE NEW EXHIBIT.

THE CELEBRATION IS PLANNED FOR 2 P.M.

THIS SATURDAY ON THE NORTHWEST LAWN OF THE CHEROKEE NATIONAL HISTORY MUSEUM.

>> GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMING UP A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE NEWSCAST, AN IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ON BIDEN'S STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS PLAN.

EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IT.

IS IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO?

IS IT FAIR?

WHAT WILL IT COST TAXPAYER?

A LOT OF STRONG OPINIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE FOR SURE.

>> TWO-THIRDS OF OUR STUDENTS IN THE INNER CITY DO NOT GO TO COLLEGE.

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT PUSH FOR EVERYBODY TO GO TO COLLEGE, AND NOT EVERYBODY IS QUALIFIED EITHER FINANCIALLY OR EMOTIONALLY OR MENTALLY FOR COLLEGE.

>> IT WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE ME BEING UPSET THAT MY TAX MONEY GOES TO PEOPLE THAT NEED FOOD STAMPS OR, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL SECURITY MAY BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T DIRECTLY BENEFIT ME.

I CAN'T LOOK AT THAT AND BE UPSE BECAUSE THAT HELPS OTHER PEOPLE.

IF WE LOOK DEEPER, THE ISSUE IS NOT THE STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS, THE ISSUE IS A COST OF GETTING A HIGHER EDUCATION.

>> THESE ARE OFTEN FRESHMEN, THEY NEED THE MONEY.

THEY ARE CONSIDERED ADULTS ON THEIR LOANS.

>> THE FULL CONVERSATION WITH MODERATOR SUSAN CADOT COMING UP IN A FEW MINUTES.

>> LET'S LOOK AT THIS WEEK'S UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS PROVIDED BY THE OKLAHOMA EMPLOYMENT SECURITY COMMISSION AND ITS PRETTY GOOD NEWS.

THE NUMBER OF INITIAL CLAIMS DECREASED BY MORE THAN 1100 FROM 3,976 TO JUST OVER 2800.

THE NUMBER OF CONTINUING CLAIMS TOTALS 10,851 AND THAT'S A DECREASE OF 524 FROM LAST WEEK.

NATIONALLY, INITIAL CLAIMS AT 2232,000, A DROP OF 5,000 FROM LAST WEEK.

OKLAHOMA'S UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS BELOW 3%.

EMPLOYERS ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME FINDING QUALIFIED WORKERS IN ANY NUMBER OF FIELDS.

THERE'S AN AGENCY CALLED THE OKLAHOMA OFFICE OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

JASON DOYLE SPOKE WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

>> Reporter: THANKS, RICH.

I'VE GOT DAWN MORRIS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT WITH ME AND, DAWN, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A BUNCH OF STUFF FOR SEPTEMBER BECAUSE IT IS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT MONTH.

LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR PROGRAMS.

>> OUR JOB IS TO DEVELOP PEOPLE.

SO, OUR AVERAGE CLIENT IS WITH US TWO YEARS, AND WE TARGET A WAGE OF $55,000 A YEAR.

WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, WE LIKE TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT IT'S A BIG ADVANTAGE TO PEOPLE AND TO BUSINESSES.

YOU APPROACH US EITHER ONLINE OR THROUGH THE CENTERS.

WE CAN DO AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT CAREER WOULD BEST FIT YOU AND THEN PROVIDE SERVICES.

THAT INCLUDES PAYING FOR THE TRAINING, OF COURSE, AND SOME OTHER SUPPORTIVE SERVICES IF PEOPLE QUALIFY.

>> YOUR AGENCY HAS NEARLY 30 WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT CENTERS ACROSS THE STATE FOR BOTH EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYERS.

WHAT KINDS OF SERVICES CAN THEY ACCESS?

>> WE HELP THEM FIND A JOB.

APPRENTICESHIP IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE.

IS THIS THE RIGHT FIELD FOR ME AND GETTING PAID TO LEARN.

ABOUT 91% OF APPRENTICES STAY WHERE THEY'RE DOING THEIR APPRENTICESHIP.

THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE EMPLOYER.

WE HELP BUSINESSES RATHER THAN HAVING TO LAY OFF, WE CAN PROVIDE FUNDS TO HELP THAT EMPLOYER RETRAIN THEIR STAFF, KEEP THEM AND GO ABOUT THE NEW BUSINESS.

WE CAN HELP PEOPLE WITH R ÉSUM ÉS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT HELPS THE EMPLOYER TO SEE A PROFESSIONAL R ÉSUM É AND MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.

>> HOW DO YOU HELP DEVELOP POLICIES THAT WILL HELP WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT?

>> WE RUN THE LABOR MARKET INFORMATION THAT INFORMS POLICY DEVELOPMENT.

WITH OUR CAREER PARTNERS, WE MAKE JOINT POLICIES THAT OUR LOCAL AREAS OPERATE UNDER.

THEY'RE AS MUCH GUIDES AS RULES AND THAT SORT OF THING.

WE HAVE A STRONG PLACE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY.

WE ALSO HAVE LEGISLATORS ON THE GOVERNOR'S WORKFORCE COUNCIL.

SO, IT GIVES US A REALLY GOOD SEAT AT THE TABLE TO HELP IN THAT SPACE.

>> LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.

THERE'S A GROWING DEMAND FOR TRADE WORKERS IN OKLAHOMA AND THE OFFICE THAT HELPS PROGRAMS SET UP A GROW YOUR OWN WORKER PIPELINE.

>> THERE YOU CAN SEE HOW IT WORKS, BUT WE HAVE INCENTIVES IN PLACE CURRENTLY FOR BUSINESSES.

WE'RE YOU'RE SETTING THE INITIAL COST OF HAVING THE APPRENTICE.

YOU CAN MAKE MONEY BY STARTING A NEW APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THIS, ESPECIALLY IN THE TRADES.

WE'RE SEEING IT GROW.

WE'VE QUADRUPLED THE AMOUNT OF APPRENTICES IN THE STATE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC.

AND SO, THEY -- THE EMPLOYER APPLIES FOR THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

OUR STAFF COMES IN AND HELPS, DOES ALL THE PAPERWORK, EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET IT STARTED.

THEY TYPICALLY RECRUIT THE PERSON WHO'S GOING TO BE THE APPRENTICE BECAUSE IT WILL BE THEIR EMPLOYEE.

THERE'S SOME RULES FOR THE APPRENTICE THAT WAGES HAVE TO GRADUATE DURING THEIR PROGRAM AT LEAST TWICE.

SO, IT'S A GUARANTEED SET OF RAISES DURING THE PROGRAM FOR THE APPRENTICE.

SO, WE EXPECT THEM TO DO SOME DIDACTIC LEARNING, BUT IT'S MOSTLY HANDS-ON, IN-THE-SHOP LEARNING.

RECENT LEGISLATION HAS ALLOWED HIGH SCHOOL KIDS 16 AND OVER TO GET CREDIT WORKING IN AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.

>> YOU HAVE IMPACT PARTNERSHIP GRANTS AND THEY'VE RECENTLY BEEN AWARDED.

HOW WILL YOU USE THOSE ENTITIES THAT COME THE GRANTS TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IN OKLAHOMA?

>> A LOT OF THE POWER BEHIND THE IMPACT GRANTS, WHICH WAS $1 MILLION SPEND FROM OUR DEPARTMENT IS THAT IT AFFECTS KEY INDUSTRY SECTORS IN OKLAHOMA.

SO, THE AWARDS WE JUST GAVE OUT ARE AFFECTING HEALTH CARE, S.T.E.M., CDL, LOGISTICS, EARNEST.

>> DON MORRIS WITH THE OFFICE OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY FOR US.

>> THANKS.

E-SPORTS IS GROWING.

THAT INCLUDES OKLAHOMA WHERE SEVERAL SCHOOLS HAVE E-SPORTS TEAMS AND SOME ARE OFFERING CAREER-BUILDING DEGREES IN THE LUCRATIVE INDUSTRY.

TAELYR JACKSON HAS MORE ON THAT NOW.

>> Reporter: RICH, MORE THAN 20 COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IN THE STATE HAVE AN E-SPORTS TEAM OR CLUB.

WHILE MORE SPORTING EVENTS CAME TO A HALT DURING THE PANDEMIC, E-SPORTS NOT ONLY CONTINUED BUT GAINED POPULARITY.

E-SPORTS, SHORT FOR ELECTRONIC SPORTS, IS A FORM OF VIDEO GAME COMPETITION WHERE GAMERS FACE OFF INDIVIDUALLY OR IN TEAMS.

IN COLLEGIATE E-SPORTS, TEAMS PLAY AGAINST OTHER SCHOOLS.

>> GOT YA, GOT YA.

>> IF WE TALK ABOUT GAMING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOPIC IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE 65% OF THE ENTIRE 18-29 DEMOGRAPHIC PLAYS A VIDEO GAME OF SOME SORT.

NOW, GAMING IS JUST AS DIVERSE AS THE WORD HUMAN.

>> Reporter: EACH SCHOOL HAS MULTIPLE TEAMS GEARED TOWARDS A SPECIFIC GAME.

TEAM SIZE DEPENDS ON THE GAME THAT IS BEING PLAYED.

FOR EXAMPLE, A TEAM PLAYING MIGHT HAVE FOUR MEMBERS.

CALL OF DUTY MIGHT HAVE SIX.

>> THEY PRACTICE AND THEN WE HAVE THE MATCH, EVERYBODY COMES IN, STUDENTS COME IN AND WATCH AND CHEER AND WATCH THE PLAYERS PLAY REALTIME.

>> Reporter: ALTHOUGH MOST OKLAHOMA COLLEGIATE E-SPORT PROGRAMS BEGAN IN 2019, THE SPORT HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 1970s.

THE PROGRAM GOT STARTED IN 2019 WHEN EVERYBODY CAME UP WITH A PLAN.

LIKE, WE NEED TO DO THIS E-SPORTS THING.

LAST YEAR WAS KIND OF THE FIRST YEAR IT HAD REALLY TAKEN OFF.

>> Reporter: PATRICK McCLUNG BECAME THE E-SPORTS HEAD COACH AT OKLAHOMA CITY UNIVERSITY IN 2021.

>> E-SPORTS FOR US IS SPECIFIC TO A CERTAIN SET OF GAMES AND THEN IT'S A TOOL THAT STUDENTS HERE CAN USE TO GET THEIR DEGREE, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH SCHOLARSHIP OR FINDING COMMUNITY.

>> Reporter: THE CURRICULUM GOES BEYOND JUST GRABBING A CONSOLE AND PLAYING.

OKLAHOMA CITY UNIVERSITY OFFERS A DEGREE IN E-SPORTS MANAGEMENT.

McCLUNG SAYS THE INDUSTRY HAS A NEED FOR PROFESSIONALS WITH A BACKGROUND IN GAMING.

>> SO, THE INDUSTRY'S GREAT BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TAKE THE WORD E-SPORTS AND PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE JOB YOU WANT TO DO, AND THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT.

WE NEED E-SPORTS ACCOUNTANTS.

>> Reporter: STUDENTS GET HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE.

THEY TALK PRODUCTION AND SPORTS MANAGEMENT.

I LOVE IT.

I LOVE PUTTING ON TOURNAMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT THE DEGREE ENTAILS.

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO WORK A CAMERA, A SWITCHBOARD?

>> Reporter: E-SPORTS MANAGEMENT MANAGER JIMMIE CUMMINGS HOPES THIS DEGREE WILL HELP HIM MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE E-SPORT INDUSTRY.

I WANT TO GROW WHAT E-SPORTS IS.

I THINK IT'S A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO BE, LIKE, ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO BE IN IT.

>> Reporter: IN NORMAN, SIMILAR OPPORTUNITIES EXIST FOR UNIVERSITY OKLAHOMA STUDENTS.

OU OFFERS AN E-SPORTS FOCUSED LIVESTREAMING PRODUCTION COURSE.

>> IT FOCUSES ON LIVESTREAM PRODUCTION.

NOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, IT'S ANOTHER MEDIUM FOR TRADITIONAL BROADCAST AND JOURNALISM PATHWAYS TO USE.

>> Reporter: E-SPORT DIRECTOR MICHAEL AGUILAR SAYS STUDENTS THAT JOIN THE E-SPORTS CLUB CAN ALSO BE A PART OF THE INFLUENCERS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.

>> BEING ABLE TO LEVERAGE ALL THE THINGS YOU'D LIKE IN A PRODUCTION DEGREE, SPORTS JOURNALISM, METEOROLOGY BROADCAST, AUDIO ENGINEER, YOUR OWN LIGHTING ENGINEER.

>> Reporter: STUDENTS SAID THAT HAVING E-SPORTS ON THEIR CAMPUS IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, BUT IT'S A CHANCE TO MAKE LONG-LASTING FRIENDSHIPS AND IMPROVE ON THEIR COMMUNICATION SKILLS.

>> IT ALLOWED ME TO FLOURISH AS A PLAYER AND A STUDENT.

I HAD MORE CONNECTIONS WITH PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT SCHOOL AND STUDY WITH.

I NEVER REALLY STUDIED WITH ANYBODY ELSE.

I DIDN'T HAVE A SEGUE INTO, LIKE, MAKING CONNECTIONS LIKE THAT UNTIL E-SPORTS.

>> Reporter: AND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COLLEGE SPORT, STUDENT LEARN STRATEGY SKILLS AND PRACTICE DURING THE WEEK TO PREPARE FOR TOURNAMENTS.

>> WE STARTED DEVELOPING STRATEGIES AND, OH, THERE'S MORE TO THIS THAN JUST RUNNING AROUND AND SHOOTING PEOPLE, RIGHT?

LIKE, WE'RE DEVELOPING PLANS AND TALKING.

>> ALL THE SKILL, YOU KNOW, THAT MENTALLY AGILITY THAT IS REQUIRED, THE PLANNING THAT PHYSICAL SPORTS HAVE AND, ALSO, THE COMMUNICATION AND JUST MAKING SURE YOU HAVE A GAME PLAN GOING IN.

>> Reporter: WHILE THE UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL OKLAHOMA DOES NOT CURRENTLY OFFER E-SPORTS-RELATED DEGREE COURSES, THEY DO HAVE AN E-SPORTS TEAM AND ARENA.

COACH TY WALLACE SAYS IT CAN GET PRETTY LOUD IN THE ARENA DURING A TOURNAMENT.

>> LET'S GO.

>> YES, SIR.

>> PLAYING UP HERE ON THE STAGE, IT REALLY JUST BRINGS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENERGY TO OUR PLAY WHEN WE'RE ALL HERE IN PERSON AND KIND OF LIKE SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF OUR LUNGS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

>> Reporter: EACH UNIVERSITY LOOKS FORWARD TO GROWING THEIR E-SPORTS TEAM AND PROVIDING A SAFE SPACE FOR STUDENTS TO GATHER.

>> THIS GIVES THEM POWER.

IT GIVES THEM PRESENCE AND IT GIVES THEM OPPORTUNITY.

>> ULTIMATELY, THIS PLACE WAS TO CREATE THAT SPACE FOR STUDENTS WHO NEVER REALLY HAD THAT SPACE BEFORE.

>> Reporter: NOW THAT THE FALL SEMESTER HAS STARTED, THEY HAVE BEGUN HOLDING TRYOUTS FOR THEIR TEAMS.

>> VERY GOOD.

TIME NOW FOR A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE STATEWIDE ECONOMIC NEWS WITH THE "OKLAHOMA BUSINESS REVIEW."

>> Reporter: OKLAHOMA MAY BE BACK IN THE RUNNING FOR A SECOND ELECTRIC BATTERY PLANT PROPOSED AND BUILT BY THE PANASONIC COMPANY.

AFTER CHOOSING KANSAS OVER OKLAHOMA, PANASONIC IS INDICATING IT WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ANOTHER PLANT TO SUPPLY EV MAKER TESLA.

IF THEY DO, OKLAHOMA COULD BE THE FRONT-RUNNER TO LAND THAT FACILITY.

THE CHEROKEE NATION IS RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE TO $12 AN HOUR WITH THE GOAL OF REACHING $15 FER HOUR BY 2025.

THE NATION'S LARGEST TRIBE EMPLOYS MORE THAN 11,000 PEOPLE, MAKING IT ONE OF THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS IN NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA.

THE TRIBE IS ALSO EXTENDING PAID FAMILY LEAVE TO MEN, OFFERING TWO WEEKS AT 100% PAY.

WOMEN ARE ALREADY OFFERED EIGHT WEEKS OF PAID FAMILY LEAVE.

THE CHEROKEE NATION SAYS IT GENERATES MORE THAN $2 BILLION ANNUALLY TO OKLAHOMA'S ECONOMY.

>> OKLAHOMA CITY-BASED A CYBERSECURITY COMPANY NAMED ONE OF THE FASTEST-GROWING PRIVATE COMPANIES BY INK MAGAZINE.

THEY PRODUCE A REGULAR PODCAST SECURE AF THAT OFFERS A VARIETY OF CYBERSECURITY TOPICS AND TIPS.

THE OKLAHOMA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY HAS LEVIED THE LARGEST CASH PENALTY FINING THEM $6.6 MILLION FOR THE IMPROPER STORAGE AND DISPOSAL OF LARGE QUANTITIES OF HAND SANITIZER THAT CAN CAUSE FIRE.

CLOVMS -- OKLAHOMANS ARE HARD-WORKING FOLKS.

OKLAHOMA RANKS SEVENTH IN THE NATION IN THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF HOURS WORKED IN A WEEK.

OKLAHOMA RANKS 21st IN THE NUMBER OF HOURS DEVOTED TO VOLUNTEER SERVICE AND LEAVE AN AVERAGE OF 4.6 VACATION DAYS UNUSED ANNUALLY.

THIS IS THE "OKLAHOMA BUSINESS REVIEW."

THERE ARE VERY DIVIDED OPINIONS ON WHETHER A $300 BILLION OR MORE PLAN TO FORGIVE STUDENT LOAN DEBT IS A GOOD IDEA.

IF YOU HAVE DEBT, YOU PROBABLY LOVE IT.

IF YOU PAID OFF YOUR STUDENT LOANS OR DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE, NOT SO MUCH.

IT MAKES FOR AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

THAT'S THE THEME OF THIS WEEK'S IN-DEPTH SEGMENT WITH MODERATOR SUSAN CADOT AND HER GUESTS.

>> THANK YOU, RICH.

YES, THE STUDENT LOAN ISSUE IS BURNING UP THE NEWS WIRES ACROSS AMERICA, AND OKLAHOMA IS NO EXCEPTION.

KAREN McCARTHY IS THE VP FOR PUBLIC POLICY WITH THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF STUDENT FINANCIAL AID ADMISSIONS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WE ALSO HAVE JIMMY CURRY, WHO IS PRESIDENT OF THE AFL-CIO, THAT'S THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF LABOR.

THEN WE HAVE ASHLEY DIOGUARDI WHO IS A PELL GRANT RECIPIENT WHEN SHE WENT TO COLLEGE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT.

ASHLEY, WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN WITH YOU.

HOW MUCH -- FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION.

WHAT KIND OF STUDENT LOAN SITUATION WERE YOU IN WHEN YOU HEARD THE NEWS THERE WAS GOING TO BE DEBT FORGIVENESS.

>> MY REACTION WAS I WAS VERY EXCITED, BUT I HAD KNOWN THE AMOUNT DEBT I WAS IN FOR A WHILE NOW.

I HAD BEEN MAKING PAYMENTS SINCE COVID-19.

I GRADUATED GRAD SCHOOL IN MAY OF 2020, SO WE WERE ALREADY IN THIS PAUSE.

THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, SO I WAS MAKING THE PAYMENTS.

IT WAS STILL REALLY HARD WITHOUT THAT INTEREST COMPOUNDING.

WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE FORGIVENESS, I WAS VERY HAPPY.

WHEN I FOUND OUT I HAD TWO PELL GRANTS, I WAS EVEN HAPPIER.

I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT A PELL GRANT WAS WHEN I WENT TO SCHOOL, MUCH HOW I DIDN'T KNOW HOW DEALING WITH THESE DEBTS WOULD IMPACT ME.

>> BEFORE WE LEAVE YOU, I DO WANT TO FIND OUT, DO YOU CARE TO SHARE WHAT YOUR DEBT WAS AND HOW THAT AFFECTED YOUR BUDGETING.

>> SO, I TOOK OUT EIGHT LOANS.

I WAS IN $28,000 OF DEBT.

I PAID OFF THREE DURING COVID AND WITH THIS RELIEF, I GET 20 OFF, SO I'LL HAVE 5K LEFT.

IT IMPACTS ME GREATLY.

I'M ALSO PAYING OFF MY CAR, TRYING TO SAVE FOR A HOUSE.

I WANT TO BUY A HOUSE WHEN I'M 30.

I HAVE A FEW YEARS TO SAVE UP FOR IT.

THIS IS HUGE IN PROPELLING ME TO DO THAT NEXT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

KAREN, I WANT TO COME TO YOU.

WHAT IS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEAR ASHLEY'S STORY.

>> YEAH, I THINK ASHLEY IS A TYPICAL STUDENT WHO WILL BENEFIT THE MOST FROM THE RELIEF THAT IS BEING OFFERED.

BECAUSE SHE RECEIVED A PELL GRANT, SHE'LL RECEIVE $20,000 IN LOAN FORGIVENESS AND WHERE HER DEBT LEVEL WAS, THAT WILL REALLY TAKE OUT A HUGE CHUNK OF HER OUTSTANDING LOAN DEBT, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE RATIONALES THE ADMINISTRATION USED WHEN THEY PUT FORWARD THIS PROPOSAL; WAS THAT PEOPLE LIKE ASHLEY WERE PUTTING OFF LARGE FINANCIAL DECISIONS, NOT ABLE TO SAVE FOR HOUSES AND MAKE OTHER TYPES OF FINANCIAL INVESTMENTS BECAUSE THEY HAD THIS DEBT HANGING OVER THEM.

>> JIMMY, I WANT TO COME TO YOU NOW.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ANTI-ASHLEY, I KNOW YOU LIKE HER.

THERE ARE FOLKS WHO SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, I DECIDED I DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE BECAUSE I COULDN'T AFFORD IT.

>> WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CAMPS ON THAT.

I MYSELF, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ASHLEY, I HAVE A STUDENT LOAN, AND I'VE NEVER BEEN TO COLLEGE A DAY IN MY LIFE.

WHEN I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL, I WENT TO A PRIVATE LOW-TECH, I HAVE AN AP LICENSE TO WORK ON AIRPLANES.

I WAS 18, 19 AT THE TIME THAT I GOT MY STUDENT LOAN.

THEY SIGNED ME UP.

THEY SAY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

IT WILL BE GOOD.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT UNTIL YOU GET OUT OF SCHOOL.

THEY DIDN'T TELL ME ABOUT THE INTEREST, OR I DIDN'T REALIZE ONCE YOU GOT OUT OF SCHOOL, YOU STARTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WRUNG.

YOU HAVE TO WORK YOUR WAY UP.

I PERSONALLY HAVE A LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE STUDENT LOANS.

OUR NATIONAL ORGANIZATION IS SUPPORTING THEM.

WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS THAT HAVE VERY MUCH EXPRESSED THE SAME CONCERN YOU DID -- OR THAT YOU STATED, WE DIDN'T GET THEM PAID BACK.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE WRONG WAY FOR US TO LOOK AT IT.

I BELIEVE PERSONALLY EDUCATION, AT LEAST YOUR FIRST TWO YEARS OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, SHOULD BE FREE.

SO THE REASON WE'RE GETTING ALL THIS DEBT DOESN'T GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.

OR TRADE SCHOOLS ARE TUITION FREE.

YOU CAN HAVE A CAREER AND LEARN WHILE YOU LEARN AND HAS BEEN THAT WAY SINCE THE 1950s.

>> WERE THE LOANS THAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR THOROUGHLY EXPLAINED TO YOU?

DID YOU REALIZE WHAT WAS GOING ON WHEN YOU SIGNED UP FOR THOSE?

>> NO.

I WAS 18.

I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER A CONVERSATION ABOUT LOANS AT ALL.

I REALLY DON'T EVEN REMEMBER SIGNING ANYTHING.

I KNEW I WAS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE THEM, BUT, NO, NO ONE EVER EXPLAINED ANYTHING.

>> KAREN, ARE THERE GUIDELINES THAT FINANCIAL AID DIRECTORS AT COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES NEED TO ADHERE TO WHEN ADVISING STUDENTS ABOUT LOANS?

>> WE REFER TO THEM AS CONSUMER INFORMATION REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE CERTAIN DISCLOSURES ARE MADE TO BORROWERS.

AND THE FIRST TIME THAT A BORROWER -- A STUDENT TAKES OUT A STUDENT LOAN, THERE IS LOAN COUNSELING THAT TAKES PLACE.

THAT IS A REQUIREMENT BEFORE YOU CAN RECEIVE THE LOAN.

THERE ARE OTHER STUDENTS SIMILAR TO ASHLEY WHO DON'T RECALL GOING THROUGH THAT, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT IS JUST THAT IT'S A CHALLENGING TIME.

THESE ARE OFTEN INCOMING FRESHMEN WHO ARE 17 OR 18 YEARS OLD, THEY NEED THE MONEY TO PAY THEIR BILLS SO THEY CAN START SCHOOL.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.

THEY ARE CONSIDER ADULTS ON THEIR LOAN AND THEY GO THROUGH THE COUNSELING AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

WE MAKE SURE THEY'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW AND WHEN THEY NEED TO KNOW IT SO THEY CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.

THERE'S THE HOW CAN WE HELP?

HOW CAN WE HELP STUDENTS MAKE GOOD DECISIONS SO WHEN THEY GRADUATE THEY CAN REPAY AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOTTEN THEMSELVES INTO.

>> WHAT IS THE PAYBACK RAID ON STUDENT LOANS NOW.

>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE PAYBACK RATE?

>> DO A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE PAY BACK THEIR LOANS?

WHAT PERCENTAGE MAY BE BEHIND IN PAYING OFF THEIR STUDENT LOAN DEBT?

>> YES, UM, SO, IN THE RECENT ANNOUNCEMENTS, THEY SAID THERE ARE 43 MILLION BORROWERS WHO HAVE FEDERALLY HELD LOANS THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THE LOAN FORGIVENESS.

>> AS STUDENTS MAYBE TAKE A MORE SERIOUS LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE BEFORE THEY START COLLEGE, YOU KNOW, SOME ARE SAYING, HEY, IT'S BETTER TO LEARN THAN A TRADE.

YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE MORE MONEY, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> IN SOME INSTANCES, YES.

OUR BUILDING AND TRADE CAREERS ARE APPRENTICESHIP SCHOOLS AND WE HAVE 22 APPRENTICESHIP SCHOOLS IN OKLAHOMA, OVER 2,000 PRESENCES IN THOSE.

THEY'RE ALL TUITION FREE.

THE ELECTRICIANS ARE A FOUR TO FIVE YEAR PROGRAM.

PLUMBING AND PIPE FITTING IS A FOUR-YEAR PROGRAM.

THESE STUDENTS, THEY GO TO WORK FROM DAY ONE.

THEY HAVE A JOB.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S TUITION FREE.

THEY LEARN A CAREER.

IT'S NOT JUST A JOB.

THEY EARN A LICENSE OR CERTIFICATE AT THE END OF IT WITH NO STUDENT DEBT.

>> WHAT KIND OF SALARY RANGE CAN THEY EXPECT TO BEGIN AT?

>> RIGHT NOW THE ELECTRICIANS ARE OVER $32 AN HOUR.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT NORMALLY FROM $80,000 A YEAR UP FOR SOME OF THE HIGHLY SKILLED OR LICENSED TRADES.

>> TO START?

>> ONCE THEY BECOME A JOURNEYMAN.

>> OUR APPRENTICES START OUT WITH FULL HEALTH INSURANCE.

THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE FROM SOMEBODY THAT HAS TO GO TO COLLEGE.

AT THE END OF THAT FOUR YEARS OR SO WHEN THEY GO TO COLLEGE, MY ELECTRICIANS, MY PIPE FITTERS AND ALL WILL HAVE GRADUATED, BECOME JOURNEYMEN, NO DEBT AND THE TOP OF THEIR PAY SCALE.

>> KAREN, WERE TRADES INCLUDED IN THE STUDENT DEBT?

>> I WILL SAY THAT ANYBODY WHO HOLDS A FEDERALLY HELD STUDENT LOAN DOES QUALIFY FOR THE LOAN FORGIVENESS AND KIND OF TYING THIS IN.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, DID I HAVE TO FINISH MY PROGRAM?

AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO.

THERE ARE QUITE A LOT -- THOSE ARE YOUR BORROWERS WHO ARE AT HIGH RISK OF DEFAULTING ON THEIR STUDENT LOANS, THE BORROWERS WHO WENT TO SCHOOL AND NEVER FINISHED.

THEY STILL OWE THOSE STUDENT LOANS BACK.

SO, SOMEBODY WHO, SAY, ENROLLED IN COLLEGE AND DROPPED OUT, REALIZING IT WASN'T FOR THEM, AND THEY DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, PERHAPS A TRADE.

IF THEY DO STILL HAVE THAT OUTSTANDING FEDERALLY HELD STUDENT LOAN, THEY MAY QUALIFY FOR THIS LOAN FORGIVENESS.

>> ASHLEY, AS YOU'VE LISTENED TO ALL OF US TALK, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION THAT PEOPLE ARE UPSET THAT STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE?

DO YOU FEEL LIKE PEOPLE SEE YOU AS PRIVILEGED OR GETTING AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE, OR HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL IF SO.

>> IT WOULD BE LIKE ME BEING UPSET THAT MY TAX MONEY GOES TO PEOPLE WHO NEED FOOD STAMPS OR SOCIAL SECURITY DOESN'T DIRECTLY BENEFIT ME.

I CAN'T LOOK AT THAT AND BE UPSET BECAUSE THAT HELPS OTHER PEOPLE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THEIR POINT, I THINK IF WE LOOK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, THE ISSUE IS NOT THE STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS, THE ISSUE IS THE COST OF GETTING A HIGHER EDUCATION.

IT JUST KEEPS GOING UP.

SO, IT'S UNATTAINABLE TO A LOT OF AMERICANS.

>> THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF WANTED TO COME AROUND TO, AND ANYONE CAN ANSWER THIS.

IS THE REAL ISSUE THE COST OF GETTING AN EDUCATION IN AMERICAN?

>> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING, ASHLEY.

I FOCUS ON THE FINANCIAL AID SIDE OF THE EQUATION, NOT THE COSTS BUT HOW WE HELP NEEDY STUDENTS MEET THE COSTS.

BUT THERE ARE VARIOUS FACTORS AT PLAY, SPECIFICALLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS.

YOU HAVE DECLINING STATE SUPPORT OF PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS WITHIN THE STATE.

WE ALSO HAVE A DECLINING VALUE OF THE FEDERAL PELL GRANT ON THE FEDERAL SIDE WHERE IT USED TO COVER A MUTUAL HIGHER PROPORTION OF A FOUR-YEAR DEGREE PROGRAM THAN IT DOES NOW.

SO, I WOULD SAY THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT FACTORS AT PLAY.

>> ASHLEY, YOU SAID IT WILL GIVE YOU A LOT MORE FREEDOM AND ALLOW YOU TO BREATHE MORE EASILY.

WHAT DOES THIS CANCELLATION OF $20,000 OF DEBT GOING TO MEAN FOR YOUR ABILITY TO SUPPORT YOURSELF IN THE FUTURE?

>> IT WILL PAY OFF CAR, PAYING OFF MEDICAL DEBT ARE THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT THINGS.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, MY DREAM IS TO HAVE A HOUSE, WHETHER THAT IS A RENTAL PROPERTY OR A HOUSE I LIVE IN.

THAT 20K OFF MY DEBT CAN HELP ME SAVE FOR THAT A LOT SOONER THAN I WOULD BE ABLE TO NOW, BECAUSE I'M NOT EVEN SAVING FOR THAT NOW.

I LITERALLY CAN'T.

THAT WILL DEFINITELY HELP ME OUT.

>> PEOPLE HAVE A VISION OF THOSE WHO GO TO COLLEGE, BEING MORE PRIVILEGED.

I REMEMBER WHEN I WENT TO COLLEGE, INWASN'T PRIVILEGED.

I WAS LIVING ON RAMEN NOODLES.

THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD TO DO IF YOU WANTED A DECENT FUTURE.

>> TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, PRIVILEGED.

I SAT ON THE COUNCIL FOR 20 YEARS.

TWO-THIRDS OF OUR STUDENTS IN THE INNER CITY DO NOT GO TO COLLEGE.

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT PUSH FOR EVERYBODY TO GO TO COLLEGE, AND NOT EVERYBODY IS QUALIFIED EITHER FINANCIALLY OR EMOTIONALLY OR MENTALLY FOR COLLEGE.

SO, I THINK THAT WE REALLY, WHEN THE STUDENT DEBT IS HIGHER THAN ALL OF AMERICA'S CREDIT CARD DEBT, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK BACK.

I REMEMBER ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO WHEN THE LEGISLATURE TURNED THE RIGHT OF RAISING TUITIONS OVER TO THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES, AS KAREN MENTIONED, AND STARTED SLOWLY DEFUNDING OR NOT FUNDING AS MUCH TO HIGHER ED.

THERE'S A BIGGER PROBLEM CAUSING THE STUDENT DEBT.

>> PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS.

IF THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T GET IT.

THEY JUST DON'T GET IT AUTOMATICALLY.

>> THERE ARE ABOUT 8 MILLION OF THE 43 MILLION POSSIBLE ENJOYABLE BORROWERS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS THEIR INFORMATION ON FILE.

SOME PEOPLE WILL GET THE FORGIVENESS AUTOMATICALLY.

MOST BUYERS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE WILL NEED TO APPLY AND LET THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION KNOW THEY QUALIFY VIA THE INCOME STANDARDS.

I TELL PEOPLE THERE WILL BE AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR YOU.

THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS SAID THAT THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN EARLY OCTOBER, AND I'M SURE WHEN THAT IS AVAILABLE, THERE WILL BE A BIG SPLASH AND EVERYBODY WILL HEAR ABOUT IT.

THERE IS A WAY ON studentaid.gov THE FEDERAL WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR THEIR NOTIFICATION, SO YOU CAN RECEIVE AN EMAIL WHEN THAT APPLICATION IS AVAILABLE IN EARLY OCTOBER.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU BACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> OKLAHOMA'S ARMY AND AIR NATURAL GAS HAS ROUGHLY 8200 MEMBERS AND MAINTAINING THOSE NUMBERS IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE, BOTH HERE AND IN INDIANA.

IN THIS WEEK'S "NATIONAL VIEW " WE WILL TAKE YOU TO BLOOMINGTON WHERE OUR PBS PARTNER REPORTS ON THE STRUGGLE TO FILL THE RANKS.

>> Reporter: U.S.

EARLIER RECRUITERS TAKE DOWN NAMES, HAND OUT INFORMATION AT THE INDIANA STATE FAIR.

IT'S THE SECOND LARGEST IN-PERSON RECRUITMENT EFFORT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

SERGEANT ROBERT MOREHOUSE SAYS THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THE ARMY HASN'T MET RECRUITMENT GOAL IN RECENT YEARS.

>> I BELIEVE IF PEOPLE HEAR HOW IT CAN HELP THEM OUT, WE MAY NOT BE IN THE SITUATION WE ARE CURRENTLY IN.

HE SAYS THEY TRIED TO SHIFT GEARS TO KEEP NUMBERS UP DURING THE PANDEMIC, LEANING MORE HEAVILY ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> I MEAN, SOCIAL MEDIA YOU CAN ONLY GET SO FAR.

>> Reporter: RECRUITMENT NUMBERS HAVE BEEN GOING DOWN SINCE THE 1970s, WHEN ACTIVE ARMY ENROLLMENT WAS AT A HIGH.

IN 2014, ACTIVE MEMBERS DOWN TO 515,000.

DROPS IN NEW MEMBERS HAVE RECRUITERS BUSY.

THIS SUMMER, OFFICIALS PREDICTED ITS TOTAL FORCE WILL BE 466,000 BY THE END OF FISCAL YEAR.

MOREHOUSE SAYS HIS BATTALION IS SHORT ABOUT 1,000 RECRUITS GOING BACK TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2019.

THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE REACHED A HIGH IN THE MID-TEENS DURING THE PANDEMIC AND THE MARKET IS COMPETITIVE RIGHT NOW AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE MORE SELECTIVE ABOUT BENEFITS.

>> THAT'S OUR TARGETED DEMOGRAPHIC UP TO 35 AND GIVE THEM A SKILL, WHILE PAYING THEM A FAIR WAGE AND PROVIDING ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT.

IT'S THE TANGIBLES, THE FREE MEDICAL AND DENTAL, FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, PAID VACATION UP TO 30 DAYS.

>> Reporter: A DROP CAN BE BLAMED ON A DECREASING POOL OF APPLICANTS THAT CAN BE ACCEPTED WITHOUT A WAIVER.

23% OF AMERICANS 17-24 ARE FULLY QUALIFIED TO SERVE.

FOR PEOPLE WHO SCORE LOWER ON THE MILITARY'S APTITUDE TEST OR DON'T MEET FITNESS STANDARDS.

HE GOES TO BLOOMINGTON'S RECRUITING STATION.

>> AMERICA'S GREATEST ARMY.

HOW MAY I HELP YOU?

>> WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET IN, I COULD JUST GO INTO A RECRUITING STATION, NO LOCKDOWN, NO ANYTHING.

THOSE TWO YEARS OF THE PANDEMIC JUST ADDED AN EXTRA HURDLE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING OUR MESSAGE OUT THERE.

>> Reporter: PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE THE ARMY IS MORE THAN JUST COMBAT JOBS, WHICH HE SAYS ONLY MAKE UP 15-20% OF POSITIONS.

THE STRUGGLE FOR RECRUITS IS SOMETHING LIEUTENANT COLONEL SAMPLES WITH THE INDIANA NATURAL GAS HAS NOTICED, TOO IN 2019, THEY WERE JOINING.

IN THE INDIANA NATURAL GAS WAS GETTING 30% OF THOSE.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN UPS AND DOWNS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

IT'S QUITE A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GOING INTO NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 4,000 FOR THIS YEAR AND COULD BE AS FEW AS 3,000 NEXT YEAR.

>> Reporter: SHE SAYS IT'S TROUBLING BECAUSE THE INN NATIONAL GUARD WAS A PART OF THE PLAN AND LOWER RECRUITMENT COULD HURT THEIR ABILITY TO MEET NEEDS.

>> WE HAD THE COVID RESPONSE, FLOODS.

THE INDIANA NATIONAL GUARD SHOWED UP FOR THE STATE OF INDIANA AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

>> Reporter: MOREHOUSE IS CONCERNED HOW RECRUITMENT WILL AFFECT OPERATIONS FOR THE EARLIER, TOO, THOUGH HE DOESN'T SEEM IT'S TIME TO RAISE ALARMS.

>> WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE AN ARMY.

>> Reporter: HE SAYS EMPLOYMENT TRENDS IN THE ECONOMY WILL HEAVILY INFLUENCE THEIR ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND PEOPLE'S INTEREST IN JOINING AND IT WILL TAKE TIME TO FIND VIABLE SOLUTIONS.

FOR INDIANA NEWS DESK, I'M BENTE BOUTHIER.

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