>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON": THE BORDER CRISIS IN TEXAS, WHERE THOUSANDS OF MIGRANTS ARE BEING SENT BACK TO HAITI, SOME MORE THAN A DECADE AFTER THEY LEFT.

LOCAL IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY ANNELISE ARAUJO AND THE IMMIGRANT FAMILY SERVICES INSTITUTE'S GERALDE GABEAU JOIN ME ON THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S DEPORTATION TSUNAMI, WHAT THEY FACE WHEN THEY LAND IN PORT-AU- PRINCE, AND WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY LEGAL RECOURSE.

THEN, LATER, PAUL ENGLISH OF KAYAK, GET-HUMAN AND LOLA FAME IS PUTTING HIS TECH SKILLS BEHIND ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONUNDRUMS OF OUR DAY: HOW TO PICK A PODCAST.

WE'LL GET INTO HIS NEW VENTURE, MOONBEAM, AND SOME OF HIS PHILANTHROPIC PURSUITS INCLUDING KING BOSTON.

>> Braude: FIRST SPEECH WHERE THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY, PRESIDENT BIDEN TOLD THE U.S. IS TURNING THE PAGE NOT ONLY THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION BUT FROM THE ETHOS >> U.S. MILITARY POWER MUST BE OUR TOOL OF LAST RESORT, NOT IT'S FIRST.

IT SHOULD NOT BE USED AS AN ANSWER TO EVERY PROBLEM WE SEE AROUND THE WORLD.

INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO FIGHT THE WARS OF THE PAST, WE'RE FIXING OUR EYES ON DEVOTING OUR RESOURCES TO THE CHALLENGES THAT HOLD THE KEYS TO OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE.

ENDING THIS PANDEMIC ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE CRISIS, MANAGING THE SHIFTS AND GLOBAL POWER DYNAMICS, AND COMMITMENT OF MY NEW ADMINISTRATION HELPED LEAD THE WORLD TOWARDS A MORE PEACEFUL PROSPEROUS FUTURE FOR ALL.

>> Braude: NOT FOR ALL AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER, WHERE A CRISIS CONTINUES TO UNFOLD OVER A FLOOD OF HESSIAN IMMIGRANTS SEEKING THE PASTE PROSPEROUS FUTURE THE PRESIDENT SPOKE OF.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE CAMPAIGNED IN PART ON PROMISES, TO TREAT MIGRANTS WITH COMPASSION AND RESPECT FOLLOWING HIS PREDECESSOR, AT LEAST OFFICIALS SHOWN ANYTHING BUT WITH IMAGES COMING OUT OF DELRIO TEXAS APPARENTLY SHOWING BORDER AGENTS WHIPPING AT HESSIAN MIGRANTS.

THOSE INCIDENTS ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION.

BUT IN RECENT WEEKS, THOUSANDS OF HAITIANS HAVE GONE TO TEXAS, MANY FLED TO SOUTH CAROLINA AFTER THE 2010 EARTHQUAKE.

OTHERS LEFT AFTER LAST MONTH'S EARTHQUAKE.

AND THE ASSASSINATION OF THE NATION'S PRESIDENT.

INSTEAD OF PROCESSING THE MIGRANTS ASYLUM CLAIMS, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN DEPORTING THEM BACK TO HAITI.

SO FAR, MORE THAN 6,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEPORTED, MANY OF WHEN I AM HAVING LIVED IN HAITI MORE THAN A DECADE, NOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SURVIVE I1 A PLACE WITH LIMITED INFRASTRUCTURE, SCARCE RESOURCES AND GANGS RUNNING MUCH OF THE COUNTRY.

AND DESPITE REQUESTS FOR HUMANITARIAN MORATORIUM ON DEPORTATIONS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WILL BE HAPPENING ANY TIME SOON.

>> WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS HAVING BEEN DECEIVED BY SMUGGLING ORGANIZATIONS AND MISINFORMATION TALK THE PERIL OUS JOURNEY NORTH WHEN WE HAVE BEEN CLEAR IT'S NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL, THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, WE'RE MOVING MORE MIGRANTS QUICKLY.

WE EXPECT FOUR FLIGHTS TO DEPART TODAY.

>> JOINED NOW BY IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY ANNELISE ARAUJO, AND THE FOUNDER OF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THE MIGRANT FAMILY SERVICES INSTITUTE, THANK YOU BOTH MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

IF I CAN START WITH YOU, WHEN YOU SEE THE IMAGE OF THE BORDER AGENT ON THE HORSE WITH THE WHIP IN WHIP GRABBING THE HAITIAN MAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK.

>> IT IS HARD TO PROCESS REMINDS US OF THE SLAVE ERA TIMES WHERE WE HAVE THE MASTER ON HIS, YOU KNOW, HORSE WHIPPING ANY WAY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

IT IS AT IT'S BEST AND I HAVE TO SAY I HAVE NEVER, EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS AND NEVER IN MY LIFE THAT I WOULD SEE THE U.S.

TREATING A HAITIANS THE WAY THEY DID.

WE ARE SICK IN OUR STOMACHS, SOME OF THEM CANNOT EVEN SLEEP.

EAT BECAUSE WE WILL NOT STOP UNTIL WE SEE JUSTICE FOR THE HAITIANS.

>> YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO ME, WE'RE TOSSING THESE PEOPLE OUT OF THE COUNTRY, EVEN IF THEY'RE SEEKING ASYLUM.

UNDER WHAT POWER ARE WE GETTING RID OF THEM WITHOUT PROCESSING THOSE CLAIMS?

>> SO, WHAT WE HAVE, ARE SEEING IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING.

IT'S SHAMEFUL AND THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS USING -- WAS USING UNTIL RECENTLY ON FRIDAY A LOCK CALLED TITLE 42 TO EXCLUDE INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT GIVING THEM DUE PROCESS RIGHTS TO SPEAK ASYLUM UNDER U.S. ASYLUM LAW THE HAITIANS AND ANY OTHER MIGRANTS SEEKING ASYLUM IN THE U.S. SHOULD BE GIVEN A MANDATORY ASYLUM SCREENING.

THAT IS WHAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE DOING AND NOT USING TITLE 42, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, TO EXCLUDE THESE INDIVIDUALS IN THIS MANNER WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.

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>> Braude: TITLE 42 IS COMING TRUMP WAS USING AM I NOT RIGHT IN 2020?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS USING, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN LONG ENOUGH UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THAT WE SHOULD NO LONGER BE EWING IT.

INSTEAD, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS NOT ONLY STILL USING IT, BUT FIGHTING FOR THE CONTINUE USE OF THIS POLICY IN THE DISTRICT COURT CASE IN IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, RECENTLY ON FRIDAY, THERE WAS AN INJUNCTION BY THE COURT AND COURT FOUND TITLE 42 USE IN THIS MANNER LIKELY VIOLATES U.S. ASYLUM LAW >>> WHAT ARE THESE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FACING BACK HOME AS I SAID BEFORE, SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T BEEN THERE SINCE THE EARTHQUAKE OF 2010, AND HOW IS THE GOVERNMENT OF HAITI GREETING THEM?

DO THEY WANT THEM BACK?

>> I'M WE JUST RECEIVED YOU KNOW, THE DESIGNATION AND THE REASON WHY WE RECEIVED THAT TEMPORARY PROACTIVE ADMISSION IS BECAUSE THE U.S. HAS ADMITTED THAT HAITI IS NOT ABLE TO REALLY WELCOME THE PEOPLE INTO THE WAY THEY SHOULD.

REMEMBER, WE JUST WENT THROUGH EARTHQUAKE, HURRICANE.

AND WE HAVE THE FULL PACKAGE AND EVEN IF THE GOVERNMENT OF HAITI SAID THAT WILL BE ABLE TO WELCOME THEM, WE'RE NOT.

THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO SO.

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>> Braude: I ASSUME SOME MIGRANTS DON'T HAVE FAMILY IN HAITI ANYMORE.

MUCH LESS A PHYSICAL SPACE TO GO BACK TO.

>> EXACTLY.

ABSOLUTELY.

NOTHING TO GO BACK TO.

SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN IN THERE FOR YEARS, THEN HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO GO BACK TO.

IT'S IN HUMAN TO TREAT THEM TO BACK TO A COUNTRY THAT MOST LIKELY DOESN'T GO ANYMORE.

>> Braude: I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW THE BIDEN ADMINISTRA TO DEPORT AND WHO NOT?

IS THE GOAL ULTIMATELY TO SEND EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN UNDER THAT BRIDGE IN DEL RIO BACK OR WILL SOME BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN AND APPLY FOR ASYLUM?

WHAT'S THE GAME PLAN?

DO YOU KNOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW THERE IS A GAME PLAN.

IF I TAKE SECRETARY'S STATEMENT FOR WHAT THEY DIDN'T ARE, THE GOAL IS TO DEPORT EVERYONE THAT IS UNDER THE BRIDGE AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE REPORTS TELL US THEY'RE SENDING SIX OFFICER SEVEN PLANES FULL OF MIGRANTS ASYLUM SPEAKERS NOT ONLY BACK TO HAITI BUT ALSO TO OTHER CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRIES THEY ARE LOOKING TO DETERMINE WHERE THE INDIVIDUALS CAME FROM AND ATTEMPTING TO ENTER AGREEMENTS TO RETURN THEM TO THOSE COUNTRIES.

THE HAITIAN GOVERNMENT ITSELF HAS ASKED FOR A HUMANITARIAN MORATORIUM ON ASYLUM.

IT HAS STATED IT DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RECEIVE THESE LARGE NUMBERS OF MIGRANTS, BUT ABOVE ALL, EVEN IF WE ARE NOT HALTING DEPORTATION, UNDER U.S. ASYLUM LAW, THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE ASYLUM EVALUATED AND IF THEY ARE DEEMED TO HAVE A VALID ASYLUM CLAIM, A CREDIBLE FEAR, THEY SHOULD BE PUT IN REGULAR PROCEEDINGS AND ALLOWED TO SEEK ASYLUM ALSO IN THE UNITED STATES >> I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU SOMETHING THE HUMAN RIGHTS SPOKESPERSON FOR THE UNITED NATIONS MARTA, HERTATO HAD TO SAY.

>> WE ARE DISTURBED BY THE IMAGE, AND BY THE FACT THAT WE'VE SEEN ALL THESE MIGRANTS AND REFUGEES AND ASYLUM SEEKER >> WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE REPUTATION OF THEY DIDN'T COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD?

PARTICULARLY AMONG PEOPLE WHO SAW THE UNITED STATES AS A BEACON, PLACE THEY AS INSPIRED TO BE >> THIS IS CONTRARY TO ANYTHING WE STAND FOR.

IT IS ABUSED IN FULL CLAIM, SO I MEAN, THIS IS NONSENSE, IS THIS IN HUMAN, HORRIBLE.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE U.S.

IN SUCH A DEEP, DEAL HOLE, YOU KNOW, TREATING HUMAN BEINGS AS ANIMALS AND WORSE THAN ANIMALS, I THINK THIS IS THE WORLD SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SEND A CRY TO THE ENTIRE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION NOT ONLY THAT THEY STOP, BUT ALSO THEY GO BACK AND BRING THEM BACK.

>> STAYING WITH YOU FOR A SECOND, I'M STRUCK AND I'M GUESSING YOU ARE AND MANY ARE.

THAT WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING IN THIS COUNTRY AND WELCOMING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AFGHAN REFUGEES FLEEING THEIR HOME LAND FOR SAFETY AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE DEPORTING THOUSANDS OF HAITIANS WHO FLED THEIR HOME LAND FOR SAFEST AND SECURITY.

YOU CAN'T MAKE SENSE OF IT.

CAN YOU?

>> NOT AT ALL.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE READY TO WELCOME THE AFGHAN REFUGEES BUT FOR US AS HAITIANS, THEY'RE JUST SENDING US BACK HOME WITH NO WHATSOEVER AND THIS VOLUME ABOUT LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I THINK WE NEED TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE BLACK, OK, YOU ARE TREATED IN A WAY THAT OTHERS ARE NOT.

THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THIS, SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED AS ANIMALS AND WE CAN SEE THAT THE TREATMENT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

>> LAST THING FOR YOU, IS THERE ANY LEGAL RECOURSE FOR ANY THESE INDIVIDUALS OR ONCE THEY'RE DEPORTED THEY'RE DEPORTED?

IS THAT THE END OF THE SITUATION?

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>> VERY DIFFICULT LEGAL RECOURSE, THE SAME WAY THAT WE SAW THIS PLAY OUT WHEN THE NPP POLICY WAS IN PLACE, THERE ARE FEDERAL LAWSUITS THAT COULD BE FILED SPEAKING THAT THIS POLICY END AND THAT THE U.S. RE PROCESS THESE INDIVIDUALS, BUT THE REALITY IS DIFFERENT.

WHEN SOMEBODY IS PUT ON A PLANE, AND SENT TO A DISTANT COUNTRY, THE REALITY OF THEM BEING ABLE TO COME BACK AND BE RE PROCESS, IT'S NOT REALLY A RECOURSE.

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>> Braude: ONE LAST THING, IF WE'RE WRONG AND I HOPE WE ARE AND THE GOAL IS NOT TO DEPORT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE HAITIANS, CAN THOSE WHO REMAIN, THEY CAN APPLY FOR ASYLUM THROUGH TRADITIONAL ROUTES.

AM I RIGHT?

ABOUT THAT OR NO?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THEY CAN APPLY FOR ASYLUM THROUGH TRADITIONAL ROOTS.

THEY CAN BE GIVEN WHAT'S CALLED A CREDIBLE FEAR INTERVIEW.

THEIR FEAR CAN BE DEEMED CREDIBLE IF IT IS ON A PROTECTED GROUND AND THEY CAN SEE AN MIGRATION JUDGE THAT WILL HEAR THEIR ASYLUM CLAIM IN MORE DETAILS.

AND SOME OF THEM WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO HAVE A PERMISSION TO WORK IN THE UNITED STATES AND CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY WHILE THEY ARE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THAT IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO.

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>> Braude: LET'S HOPE AT MINIMUM THAT HAPPENS, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU >> THANK YOU DID >> MY NEXT GUESS IS SERIAL ENTREPRENEUR MADE A CAREER OUT OF SOLVING FRUSTRATING PROBLEMS.

HE'S THE MAN BEHIND KAYAK.COM THE ONE STOP SHOP BOOKING EVERYTHING YOU NEED, LOLA.COM, WHICH DOES THE SAME THING FOR BUSINESS TRAVEL SPENDING AND GET HUMAN, WHICH HELPS YOU GET THROUGH THE ENDLESS AUTOMATED MENUS WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE CUSTOMER SERVICE CALLS TO SPEAK TO A PERSON AS QUICKLY AND PAINLESSLY AS POSSIBLE.

NOW ENGLISH FOCUS ON THE PODCAST WORLD AND OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF OPTIONS OUT THERE.

HIS NEWEST VENTURE IS MOON BEAM, A TIKTOK INSPIRED AP THAT COMPILES MOUNTAINS OF PODCASTS SEARCHABLE BY CATEGORY, LETS YOU SWIPE AND SUBSCRIBE TO FAVORITES THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY OF HIS CURRENT PROJECTS WHICH ALSO INCLUDE NONPROFIT WORK LIKE EDUCATION WHICH BUILDS AND RUNS SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT RURAL HAITI, ALSO INSPIRED TRACY KIDDER A TRUCK FULL OF MONEY, THE LIFE OF AN AMERICAN ENTREPRENEUR AND SOMEHOW WITH ALL OF THAT, PAUL FOUND A FEW MINUTES TO GET AWAY AND HE JOINS ME NOW, PAUL ENGLISH GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GREAT TO SEE YOU, JIM.

THANK YOU.

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>> Braude: BEFORE WE GET TO MOON BEAM, WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE NIGHTMARE ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER AND THE DEPORTATION OF THOUSANDS OF HAITIANS.

I MENTIONED THAT YOUR SUMMIT EDUCATION OPERATES SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 40 SCHOOLS MOSTLY IN RURAL HAITI.

HOW WERE THEY AFFECTED BY THE EARTHQUAKE AND POLITICAL UP HEAVE THERE >> I WORK ON A CENTRAL PLAY TOE ON THE MOUNTAINS IN THE DOMINIONG3 KEN BORDER, WE HAVE 40 SCHOOL THERE IS, 350 EDUCATORS AND ABOUT 10,000 STUDENTS.

WE ARE LUCKY THAT THE EARTHQUAKE DIDN'T HIT US ON THE PLATEAU AND IN FACT, WE MOBILIZED SOME RESOURCES DOWN TO THE SOUTH WHERE SCHOOLS WERE HIT.

TO SUPPLY THEM WITH SUPPLIES AND ASSISTANCE WORKING WITH PARTNERS BUT AS FAR AS THE CIVIC CRAZINESS GOING ON THERE, FOR ME, EDUCATION IS THE ONLY ANSWER IF A COMPANY IS -- IF A COUNTRY IS TO FIND ITS OWN WAY OUT OF ITS PROBLEM, IT STARTS WITH EDUCATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

>> YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT AFGHANISTAN AND GIRLS TOO.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I WOULD AGREE.

ON TO MOON BEAM.

I DID A TEN SECOND EXPLAIN ER I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY DO A LITTLE BETTER THAN I DID.

EXPAND ON IT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WOULD, PAUL, WHAT'S MOON BEAM?

>> PODCASTS ARE EXCITE, I LISTEN TO POD CASTS ALL THE TIME.

I HAVE MANY YEARS.

BUT I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO FIND NEW PODCAST, THERE'S SO MANY INTERESTING SHOWS OUT THERE BUT HOW DOES ONE FIND THEM?

AND WITH THE LEADING APS OUT THERE TODAY, THE APPLE PODCAST AP AND SPOTIFY YOU END UP HE READING AND SCROLLING, WHAT WE WANTED IS SOMETHING MENTIONED INSPIRED BY TIKTOK WHERE YOU OPEN MOON BEAM AND IMMEDIATELY STARTS PLAYING CONTENT, HUMAN CLIPS AND BEST MOMENT OF THE BEST PODCAST, IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND LIKE IT YOU SWIPE UP AND GO TO THE NEXT AND NEXT AND WE HAVE A MACHINE BUYING SYSTEM IT THEN PREDICTS.

>> HUMAN CURE RATED MEANING A HUMAN BEING ACTUALLY LISTENS TO ALL THESE >> BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE HAVE TEAMS OF HUMANS THAT ARE -- YES.

YOU KNOW, COMEDY SPORTS LIKE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, AND THEY SAMPLE SOME OF THE MOST POPULAR PODCASTS AND CURE RATE SOUNDS LIKE THE BEST HUMAN CLIPS FROM THE PODCAST, THAT WAS SAMPLE POD CASTS WITHOUT HAVING TO LISTEN THE WHOLE HOUR.

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>> Braude: THIS GENERATED YOU SAID YOU'RE A BIG PODCAST FAN, YOUR INTEREST TO THE PUBLIC, I WAS TRYING TO GET LATEST NUMBERS ON THE NUMBER OF PODCASTS.

THE BEST I COULD DO WAS FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, WHERE ACCORDING TO FORBES, 1.75 MILLION PODCASTS WITH 43 MILLION EPISODES, SO I ASSUME IT'S GONE UP A LITTLE BIT, SO IT WAS TO MEET THE NEED OR TO MEET YOUR OWN NEED?

THE PUBLIC'S OR YOUR OWN?

>> WELL, YES.

GOOD QUESTION.

EACH ONE MIGHT HAVE COMPANIES, KAYAK AND LOLA AND GET HUMAN, IT STARTS WAY FRUSTRATION OF SOMETHING THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED PERSONALLY.

AND FOR ME FOR PODCAST IT WAS HOW DO I DISCOVER THE UNIQUE CONTENT AND MOON BEAM WORKS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL FOR ME AND WE'RE GETTING REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK NOW FROM OTHER USERS THAT THEY ARE DISCOVERING GOOD CONTENT.

>> DISCOVERING GOOD CONTENT, WHAT HAVE YOU DISCOVERED AND EXCEPT FOR MOON BEAM, YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE IN THE MONTHS SINCE THIS THING HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING?

>> ONE SHOW MOON BEAM HELPED ME DISCOVER AND THIS IS EARLY ON IN THE SHOW'S HISTORY OF LATER.

BECAME A POPULAR SHOW BUT IT'S CALLED DOLLY PART TON'S AMERICA.

>> WNYC >> YES: AND I THOUGHT I LIKED DOLLY PARTON, BUT I'M TELLING YOU AFTER LISTENING TO THE PODCAST.

SHE'S AMAZING.

I NEVER WOULD HAVE LISTENED TO THAT HAD IT NOT SHOWN UP IN MY FEED IN MOON BEAM.

I LISTEN TO THE WRITERS ALMANAC, WHICH IS KIND OF THIS DATE IN HISTORY.

I LISTENED TO POETRY UNBOUND, WHICH IS AN IRISH POET WHO READS A POEMS AND INTERPRETS IT FOR YOU.

>> DO YOU NOT TRY TO CONNECT THE POST CAST ER AND PODCASTEE >> A LOT OF OF LISTS.

CAN >> HOW DOES THAT WORK >> THE FIRST GOAL IS DISCOVERY.

AND THE SECOND GOAL IS I HAVE FRIENDS WHO HAS A POPULAR PODCAST AFTER HOUR, SHE TOLD ME HER BIG FRUSTRATION IS SHE'LL HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LISTEN TO HER PODCAST.

SHE HAS NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT PART OF THE SHOW THEY LIKE OR NOT.

SO WE ALLOW THEM JUST AGAIN LIKE TIKTOK GIVE FEEDBACK ON THE SHOW, WHAT YOU LIKE, WHAT YOU WANT TO SHARE, WHAT YOU SAVE, WE DID DIRECTIVE TO THE HOST.

YOU CLICK A BUTTON SEND A DOLLAR IF YOU'RE INSPIRED BY HOSTS.

AND WE'LL LET YOU JOIN THE E-MAIL LIST IN ONE CLICK.

>> Braude: TELL ME YOU'RE NOT TAKING A PIECE OF THE TIP >> WE'RE NOT.

>> Braude: HOW ARE YOU MAKING MONEY?

>> WITH EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS TO MAKE MONEY, YOU EITHER SELL ADS OR YOU SELL A PREMIUM SERVICE FOR A FEE, AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL LOOK AT IS SWIPING UP LISTENING TO THE NEXT SHOW, NEXT SHOW, WE'LL HAVE PROMOTED SHOWS IN THERE, AND WE'LL MARK THEM AS PROMOTED.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU SWIPE UP IMMEDIATELY AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND NEXT ONE.

>> DO YOU REMEMBER THE GREAT MOMENT WHEN FORMER SENATOR HATCH FROM UTAH TURNED TO ZUCKENBERG AND SAID, IF THE SERVICE FACEBOOK IS FREE, HOW DO YOU MAKE MONEY?

AND ZUCKENBERG LOOKED BACK AND HE SAID, ADS?

SO IN ANY CASE, ONE OTHER RELATED NOTE.

I MENTIONED LOLA IS YOUR CREATION AS WELL.

I WENT TO LO LA.COM CURIOUS RIGHT BEFORE I SAW YOU A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO.

AND IT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE I DON'T THINK STAY TUNED, SIGNED BY YOU AND A COLLEAGUE.

STAY TUNED FOR WHAT?

>> WE HAVE A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT COMING IN THE NEXT BE COUPLE OF WEEKS, SO LOLA, AS YOU KNOW AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE INTRO, IS WHAT KAYAK DID FOR CONSUMER TRAVEL, LOLA SET OUT TO DO FOR BUSINESS TRAVEL, WE WANT TO MAKE BUSINESS TRAVEL.

THE PANDEMIC HAPPENS YEAR AND A HALF AGO, BUSINESS TRAVEL WENT TO 0.

OUR REVENUES WENT TO 0, WE HAD TO PIVOT RAPIDLY.

INSTEAD OF GOING TO CFO's AND SAYING BUY LOLA AND WE'LL REDUCE COST OF TRAVEL AND MAKE THE MORE CONVENIENT WE WENT TO CFO's AND SAID BUY LOLA WILL IMPROVE ANY EMPLOYEES OF ANY TYPE.

WE DID THIS HARD PIVOT, AND THE NEXT CHAPTER FOR LOLA, WE'RE ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE, UNFORTUNATELY.

WE DID DECIDE TO SHUTDOWN THE TRAVEL SERVICE BUT THERE ARE EXCITING PRODUCTS AND NEW DIRECTION AND NEW PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE'VE A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT COMING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

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>> Braude: TURN TO ONE OF YOUR OTHER NONPROFIT VENTURES I THINK MOST PEOPLE WATCHING KNOW THAT THE YOU'RE THE CO FOUNDER OF KING BOSTON, YOU CONTRIBUTED $1 MILLION TO GET IT ROLLING, MOST ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE EMBRACE, THIS BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL -- THERE IT IS, THIS BEAUTIFUL CLASS HANDS MODELED ON THE CLASS'SING OF HANDS OF TWO PEOPLE WHO MET IN BOSTON, DR. KIRT KING, COULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE NOT JUST WITH THE EMBRACE BUT IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY A MUCH BROADER RACIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE AGENDA FOR KING BOSTON BEYOND JUST THE INSTALLATION IN BOSTON COMMON.

WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> THING ABOUT THIS PROJECT IT HAS EXCITE ADD LOT OF PEOPLE ACROSS BOSTON TO GET INVOLVED AND TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT RACIAL JUSTICE IN OUR CITY.

AND HOW TO IMPROVE THINGS SO THAT NO MATTER WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD YOU LIVE IN, WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS, WE WANT BOSTON TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RAISE NEARLY 20 MILLION DOLLARS TO DATE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO HELP PARTICIPATE AND FIX RACIAL EQUITY ISSUES THINGS FROM WE THINK EQUITY, HEALTH EQUITY, EDUCATION, AND WE ARE STARTING A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS FOCUSED ON THOSE ISSUES, ONE ANNUAL REPORT, STATE OF THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO RACIAL EQUITY.

THE MEMORIAL ITSELF IS NEXT SUMMER TO BE COMPLETED THE END OF NEXT YEAR, THEN BIG ANNOUNCEMENT WE HAD YESTERDAY IS WHEN MLK WAS A STUDENT IN BOSTON AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY, HE PREACHED AT THE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL CHURCH, AND YESTERDAY WE PRESENTED WITH $1 MILLION CHECK FROM OUR BACKERS TO HELP THE 12TH BAPTIST CONTINUE THE AMAZING WORK THEY'VE BEEN DOING IN ROCKS BURY >> IT'S IMPRESSIVE AND IMPORTANT, GREAT TO SEE YOU, GOOD LUCK WITH MOON BEAM AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WE'LL STAY TUNED FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENT.

>>> THE ANNIVERSARY OF GEORGE FLOYD MURDER WAS A TIME TO CONSIDER ANXIETY BY YOUNG PEOPLE OF COLOR CAUGHT BETWEEN FEELINGS OF POSSIBILITY AND HOPELESSNESS, A LOCAL GROUP IS LONG WORK PUD ON POWER USE, IS HELPING THEM FIND THEIR VOICE THROUGH A DIFFERENT FORM OF ACTIVISM FILM.

>> >> SENSELESS SMOKE, A FILM CREATED BY BROCKS BURY IS ABOUT A YOUNG MAN WHO GETS CLOSE TO HIS BROTHER'S KILLER.

>> IT HAPPENED TO TONY.

>> AT THE TIME OF DEMAND FOR POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, AND GREATER RESOURCES FOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, THIS FILM PUTS THE BURDEN OF FINDING PEACE AND RESOLVING CONFLICT ON COMMUNITY MEMBERS THEMSELVES.

>> EMPOWERMENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR ABERGAL FOREST ER HOPES THE FILM HELPS START A CONVERSATION >> AS PARENTS AS A COMMUNITY, YOUNG PEOPLE.

WE NEED TO TAKE OWNERSHIP WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IMPACT WE'RE HAVING ON EACH OTHER BY NOT RESOLVING CONFLICT >> THE STREETS HAVE NOTHING FOR YOU.

>> CARRIE, WHO'S JUST 20, PLAYS AN ELDER IN THE COMMUNITY.

PLEADING WITH YOUTH TO SEE A PATTERN, TO END THE SENSELESS VIOLENCE THAT GOES FROM ONE GENERATION TO THE NEXT.

>> I'VE HEARD SENSELESS, SENSELESS.

>> IF WE CAN JUST GET THE COMMUNITY TO HEAL SO WE DON'T KEEP THIS PERPETUAL CYCLE OF PAIN, BECAUSE BECAUSE HURT PEOPLE HURT PEOPLE SO WE CAN GET TO A BETTER PLACE.

>> THIS STORY IS A STORY THAT MANY PEOPLE IN BOSTON WILL RESINATE WITH, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LOST FAMILY MEMBERS OR HAVE LOST SOMEBODY TO GUN VIOLENCE >> NO GOOD.

>> BUT FOR THIS GENERATION, THERE'S ALSO NEW URGENCY IN COPING WITHkóñv TRAUMA.

SOCIAL MEDIA HAS MADE IMAGES OF POLICE BRUTALITY AND RACIAL VIOLENCE IN ESCAPABLE.

IT'S AN INSPIRATION TO ACTIVISM AND A SOURCE OF ANXIETY AND DESPAIR.

>> WHAT'S CHANGED NOW IS THAT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE ACCESS TO INFORMATION, THAT ALSO CREATES A LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION FOR AN EVOLVED, YOU KNOW, EMOTIONAL YOUNG PERSON, THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE INSTAGRAM OR FACEBOOK, WE DIDN'T HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA.

NOW,S THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE BEING BOMBARDED AND FEELING LIKE GOT ON BOTH ENDS.

>> 22-YEAR-OLD PRDUCED INSTRUMENTAL FOR THE FILM.

>> A LOT OF THINGS ARE THE SAME EXCEPT IT'S BLATANT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING ON OUR PHONES IN FRONT OF OUR LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST -- IT'S CONSTANTLY ONGOING.

>> NEEDED WAS MOTIVATION.

>> THE YOUTH SAY THE FILM GAVE THEM AGENCY TO PROCESS THEIR OWN EMOTIONS AND GIVE VOICE TO SOLUTIONS.

>> EVERYONE WITH HISTORY, INTELLIGENCE, GET THE RIGHT >> THE AIM IS HIGH.

>> HOPING THAT THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO CHANGE LIVES AND CHANGE THE MINDS AND THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE IN BOSTON BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE SUMMERTIME TO REDUCE THE VIOLENCE.

>> AND MESSAGE SENSELESS SMOKE IS CLEAR >> NOBODY GOING TO DO IT FOR US BUT US.

>> TBH NEWS.

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>> Braude: FOR MORE INFORMATION HEAD TO TEEN EMPOWERMENT.ORG.

THAT'S IT.

PLEASE COME BACK TOMORROW, CHEF AND RESTAURANT ER.

MICHAEL SHIRPOS JOINS ME ON THE RETURN OF A PEDESTRIAN PARADISE, ONE VERY TALENTED LOCAL TV HOST TO THANK FOR, THAT WOULD BE ME.

I'LL EXPLAIN.

THAT AND MORE TOMORROW AT 7:00.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING, PLEASE STAY SAFE.

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