>>> HELLO, EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO AMANPOUR AND COMPANY.

HERE IS WHAT IS COMING UP.

I AM HERE AT THE UNITED NATIONS AFTER DONALD TRUMP SWERVES AGAIN ON UKRAINE WHILE AGAIN URGING AN END TO THE WAR IN GAZA.

WE HEAR FROM EUROPEAN COMMISSION PRESIDENT URSULA VON DER LEYEN AND FROM THE LONE PALESTINIAN REPRESENTATIVE , ENVOY TO THE UNITED NATIONS, RIYAD MANSOUR.

THEN, SINCE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SLASHED FOREIGN AID, CRISES MOUNT IN GAZA, SUDAN, AND ELSEWHERE.

U. N. RELIEF CHIEF TOM FLETCHER BREAKS DOWN THE TOLL OF THESE FUNDING CUTS IN TERMS OF HUMAN LIFE.

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> >> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR AT THE UNITED NATIONS.

IN A TRUTH SOCIAL POST HEARD ROUND THE WORLD, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP UNEXPECTEDLY REVERSED HIS STANCE ON RUSSIA'S WAR, SAYING FOR THE FIRST TIME, I THINK UKRAINE IS IN A POSITION TO FIGHT AND WIN ALL OF UKRAINE BACK IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM.

TRUMP CALLED RUSSIA, QUOTE, A PAPER TIGER AND TOLD REPORTERS THAT NATO COUNTRIES SHOULD SHOOT DOWN RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT THAT VIOLATE THEIR AIRSPACE.

UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY CALLED TRUMP'S POST A GAME CHANGER BUT SPEAKING AT THE U. N. TODAY, HE ALSO ISSUED A WARNING TO WORLD LEADERS SAYING -- >> WHETHER YOU HAVE PEACE OR CONTINUE TRADING WITH RUSSIA AND HAVE RUSSIA TO FORM THIS WAR, IT DEPENDS ON YOU.

WHETHER PRISONERS OF WAR WILL BE FREED, WHETHER ABDUCTED CHILDREN WILL COME HOME, WHETHER HOSTAGES WILL BE FREE, IT DEPENDS ON YOU.

>> TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND TO RESPOND TO TRUMP'S BROADSIDE AGAINST EUROPEAN ALLIES FROM THE U. N. PODIUM, MY EXCLUSIVE CONVERSATION WITH THE EU COMMISSION PRESIDENT URSULA VON DER LEYEN.

>> PRESIDENT URSULA VON DER LEYEN, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> AND I JUST START, WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN THE ROOM WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP LITERALLY DELIVERED A BROADSIDE AGAINST YOU ALL ON CLIMATE CHANGE, BASICALLY CALLING IT A CON JOB AND YOUR FAIL ON IMMIGRATION, YOUR NATIONS ARE GOING TO HELL.

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF IT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN EUROPE.

WE HAVE, BY NOW, WORKED VERY HARD TO LIMIT MIGRATION IN THE WAY THAT WE SAY WE DECIDE WHO COMES TO EUROPE AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, NOT THE SMUGGLERS AND TRAFFICKERS.

ON ENERGY, WE ARE VERY CLEAR.

EVERY COUNTRY DECIDES ON ITS OWN ENERGY MIX.

FOR US, IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE INDEPENDENT AND THEREFORE TO FOCUS ON HOMEGROWN ENERGY LIKE RENEWABLES OR NUCLEAR, FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT GIVES US ENERGY SECURITY, IT IS GOOD FOR THE PLANET, BUT ALSO INDEPENDENCE.

>> SO YOU DON'T AGREE THAT THE RENEWABLES ARE A GIGANTIC CON JOB?

>> WE WILL STAY THE COURSE WITH THE RENEWABLES BECAUSE AS WE THINK IT IS GOOD FOR THE CLIMATE, IT IS BRINGING GOOD JOBS AT HOME IN EUROPE.

IT IS CHEAPER AND FOSSIL FUELS FOR US IN EUROPE BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE TO IMPORT THEM.

AND, IT GIVES US INDEPENDENCE AND ENERGY SECURITY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU CAN FORGE YOUR OWN WAY NO MATTER WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE U. S. SAYS.

SEE THAT YOUR OPINION IS VERY CLEAR AND HAPPY WHERE CLIMATE TARGETS AGREED WITH ALL 37 MEMBER STATES.

WE STAY THE COURSE.

>> FINE.

LET'S MOVE ONTO UKRAINE BECAUSE A HUGE ISSUE.

IT IS BEING PERCEIVED --I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PERCEIVE IT.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR REACTION.

TRUMP HAS MADE A DRAMATIC SWITCH FROM IN THE OVAL OFFICE TELLING PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY AT THE HAVE NO CARDS, YOU NEED TO NEGOTIATE, YOU NEED TO CALL A CEASEFIRE, YOU HAVE NO CARDS, TO HEAR, SAYING THAT YES, I THINK THAT WITH EU, NATO HELP, YOU CAN WIN YOUR TERRITORY.

FIRST, DO YOU AGREE WITH WHAT HIS ASSESSMENT IS AND WHAT YOU ATTRIBUTE HIS SHIFT TO?

>> WELL, WE ALWAYS WERE CONVINCED AND ARE CONVINCED THAT UKRAINE FIGHT IS NOT ONLY FOR UKRAINE'S INDEPENDENCE AND SOVEREIGNTY, IT IS A QUESTION OF THE GLOBAL ORDER AND THE RESPECT FOR THE CHARTER, THE SOVEREIGN INDIAN TERRITORY AND INTEGRITY OF COUNTRIES.

SECOND, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO SUPPORT UKRAINE BUT ALSO TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A STRONG COALITION OF THE WILLING, MAKING SURE THAT ONCE PEACE IS THERE, WE ARE ABLE TO GIVE THE SECURITY GUARANTEES TO UKRAINE IT NEEDS.

THE THIRD POINT IS MOST IMPORTANT.

IT TOOK A WHILE BUT EVERYTHING IS OVERWHELMING, TO SHOW TO PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN IS THE PREDATOR, THAT HE DOES NOT WANT PEACE AND THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE INTERNATIONAL RULES HAVE TO BE RESPECTED AND THIS IS WHAT YOU HEARD YESTERDAY.

>> I HEARD IT FROM THE PRESIDENT YESTERDAY.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

HE SAID PUTIN HAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED ME.

I THOUGHT, AS HE SAID MANY TIMES, I COULD FIX THIS WAR BECAUSE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH PUTIN I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE THE CASE BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS SIGNALS A RAMPING UP OF EU, NATO AID TO UKRAINE?

FOR THE PURPOSE OF WHAT TRUMP SAID, THAT THEY CAN WIN BACK THEIR TERRITORY.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS WHAT THE AIM IS NOW?

WHAT IS THE AIM, DO YOU THINK?

>> WHAT THE UNITED STATES DO IS THEIR DECISION BUT THE EUROPEAN UNION HAS ALWAYS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO SUPPORT UKRAINE AND WHAT IT NEEDS.

SO FAR, 175 BILLION HAVE BEEN INVESTED IN UKRAINE'S DEFENSE BUT ALSO ECONOMIC SURVIVAL AND WE WILL STAY THE COURSE.

WE WILL BE IRONCLAD BY THE SIDE OF UKRAINE AND THAT IS ALSO GIVING THEM THE MILITARY CAPABILITIES THEY NEED TO DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY.

>> WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT?

IS THE AIM NOW FOR THEM TO FIGHT TO REGAIN THEIR TERRITORY?

OR, IS IT TO KEEP DEFENDING, AS YOU HAVE SAID, AND GET TO A PLACE WHERE PUTIN TAKES EVERYBODY SERIOUSLY, INCLUDING UKRAINE REASONABLE NEGOTIATIONS?

WHAT IS THE AIM?

>> THE AIM IS, OF COURSE, THE DECISION ON WHAT IS UKRAINIAN TERRITORY TO BE DEFENDED.

THAT IS A UKRAINE DECISION.

AND, WE RESPECT THAT.

THE AIM IS, THAT PUTIN COMES TO THE NEGOTIATION TABLE AND SITS DOWN AND NEGOTIATES BECAUSE WE ALL WANT PEACE.

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS OVER AND AGAIN --I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE WERE THREATENED, BUT SAID THAT HE WILL PUNISH PUTIN IN VARIOUS WAYS IF HE DOESN'T DO X IN TWO WEEKS OR IN 11 DAYS OR IN 24 --I MAKING IT UP.

CONSTANT DEADLINES THAT KEEP BEING FUDGED AND MISSED.

NOW, HE IS SAYING HE IS READY TO IMPOSE TOUGH SANCTIONS ON PUTIN.

THIS WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AS LONG AS ALLIES, NATO, EUROPEAN ALLIES STOP BUYING FOSSIL FUEL ENERGY, ET CETERA, FROM THE RUSSIANS.

WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?

>> WELL, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS RIGHT.

IT IS UNACCEPTABLE THAT THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, RUSSIAN FOSSIL FUEL COMES BACK.

JUST A FIGURE, WE HAVE REDUCED RUSSIAN FOSSIL FUELS IN EUROPE BY 80%.

ZERO FROM RUSSIA RIGHT NOW ON THE 3% OF OIL FROM RUSSIA.

WHEN I SEE THAT ENERGY COME THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, WE JUST PROPOSED TO SANCTION ENERGY COMING TO THE EUROPEAN MARKETS THAT COMES FROM RUSSIA.

>> I'M GOING TO REDO A TRUMP QUOTE.

HE BASICALLY SAYS THINK ABOUT IT.

HE IS TALKING ABOUT YOU AND OTHER NATO NATIONS.

THEY ARE FUNDING THE WAR AGAINST THEMSELVES.

IN OTHER WORDS, BY BUYING RUSSIAN OIL.

WHOEVER HEARD OF THAT?

HE ACTUALLY SAID WHO THAT HELL EVER HEARD OF THAT ONE .

YOU ARE AGREEING, THEN?

>> THREE YEARS AGO WHEN THE WAR STARTED, INDEED, THERE WAS A HUGE DEPENDENCY ON RUSSIAN GAS AND PUTIN CUT US OFF THE GAS.

WE HAD A HUGE ENERGY CRISIS.

WE DIVERSIFIED AWAY WITH FRANCE.

WE INVESTED MASSIVELY IN RENEWABLES AND NUCLEAR SO THAT TODAY WE ALMOST GOT RID OF RUSSIAN FOSSIL FUELS AND IT IS CORRECT, WE HAVE TO FINISH THAT JOB.

WE HAVE TO GET RID OF RUSSIAN FOSSIL FUELS BECAUSE IT IS ONLY FUELING THE RUSSIAN WAR.

>> SAID WHO IS STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS?

YOU HAVE IMPOSED A BAN ON MARITIME RUSSIAN OIL IMPORTS, BUYING PRODUCTS LIKE DIESEL.

AS YOU SAY, MANY COUNTRIES CONTINUE TO IMPORT THOSE FOSSIL FUELS AND LIQUEFIED AROUND THE BACK DOOR.

WHO IS IT --IS THE CULPRITS?

IS A SLOVAKIA, TURKEY, HUNGARY?

WHO IS IT?

SEE SOME MEMBER STATES IN THE EUROPEAN UNION THAT ARE STILL HAVING LNG FOR RUSSIAN OIL AND HERE, WE JUST, AS I SAID, ISSUED A SANCTIONS PACKAGE THAT MAKES VERY CLEAR THAT IN A FEW MONTHS THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF THE LNG BECAUSE IT IS SANCTIONED.

>> THERE ARE SANCTIONS ALSO ON CHINA.

TRUMP HAS REPORTEDLY DEMANDED OF YOU THAT YOU TO PUT TARIFFS UP TO 100% ON CHINA AND INDIA.

AGAIN, PUNISHING COUNTRIES WHO BUY FROM RUSSIA, NOTABLY ENERGY AND ALSO FROM THE ROAR --WAR.

>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE WAR CHEST OF PUTIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND THEREFORE, WE, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE ALREADY PUT OUT A BAN FOR PRODUCTS.

WE FIND PRODUCTS FROM RUSSIAN FOSSIL FUELS FROM SIX, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNTRIES LIKE TURKEY OR INDIA.

BUT, WE ALSO ARE SANCTIONING BANKS OR REFINERIES IN DIFFERENT COMPANIES WHERE WE SEE THAT THEY ARE CIRCUMVENTING OUR SANCTIONS.

SO, THERE IS AN ONGOING HARD WORK TO REALLY LIMIT THE REVENUES THAT PUTIN IS GETTING FROM FOSSIL FUELS, AS FAR AS WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.

WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE IN OUR LEGAL SYSTEM IS TO PUT ON TARIFFS FOR FOREIGN-POLICY REASONS.

WE PUT TARIFFS FOR ECONOMIC REASONS BUT NOT FOR FOREIGN- POLICY REASONS.

WE WORK WITH SANCTIONS.

WE WORK WITH BANKS.

WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY, IT IS A TOTAL WAR ECONOMY NOW.

IT IS SKYROCKETING INTEREST RATES, HIGH INFLATION.

THEY ARE AT THEIR LIMIT.

THEY ARE AT A POINT THAT IS CRITICAL FOR THEM.

IF WE INCREASE THE PRESSURE, MY PREDICTION IS THAT FINALLY, PUTIN WILL COME TO THE NEGOTIATION TABLE AND HE CAN END THIS WAR.

SEE THAT IS YOUR PREDICTION?

HOW DO YOU REACT TO THIS CONSTANT TESTING, TESTING, TESTING BY ACTUALLY MILITARY OF THE NATO AIRSPACE.

I KNOW YOU ARE NOT OFFICIALLY NATO BUT MANY OF YOUR NATIONS ARE.

DRONES INTO POLAND, INTO ROMANIA AND FIGHTER JETS INTO ESTONIAN AIRSPACE.

PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED AGAIN YESTERDAY, DO YOU SUPPORT NATO SHOOTING DOWN ANY UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS OR PLANES, RUSSIAN, TO FLY INTO NATO AIRSPACE?

HE SAID YEAH, I DO.

>> AS I SAID, I AM NOT NATO BUT I HAVE A PERSONAL OPINION.

>> WHAT IS IT?

>> MY OPINION IS WE HAVE TO DEFEND EVERY SQUARE CENTIMETER OF THE TERRITORY AND THAT MEANS IF THERE IS AN INTRUSION IN THE AIRSPACE, AFTER WARNING, AFTER BEING VERY CLEAR, OF COURSE THE OPTION OF SHOOTING DOWN A FIGHTER JET THAT IS INTRUDING OUR AIRSPACE IS ON THE TABLE.

>> TURKEY DID IT 10 YEARS AGO.

>> YEP.

>> AND DIDN'T SUFFER CONSEQUENCES, NECESSARILY.

>> NO.

IS A PRINCIPAL OF NATO.

>> WHAT HAS TAKEN YOU SO LONG?

I KNOW YOU ARE NOT NATO BUT WHAT HAS TAKEN THE WORLD SO LONG?

RUSSIA HAS BEEN REALLY TESTING FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.

IS IT TIME NOW TO PUNCH BACK IN THE NOSE?

>> RUSSIA IS TESTING ON ALL FIELDS.

I MEAN, THAT IS A HYBRID WORLD THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND I RUSSIA IS LEANING AGAINST THE DEMOCRACIES OF THE EUROPEAN UNION AND OTHERS AND THEREFORE WE FIGHT BACK ON ALL DIFFERENT FIELDS .

AS I SAID, IT IS A DECISION OF NATO BUT I WOULD BE VERY CLEAR, YOU DON'T TOUCH OUR TERRITORY.

>> YOU WERE A FORMER DEFENSE MINISTER.

I REMEMBER WHEN YOU FIRST MET, FOR GERMANY.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INTERFERENCE.

THERE IS AN ELECTION COMING UP IN MOLDOVA WHICH IS NOT AN EU NATION BUT HAS --WANTS TO BE END IS BEING SUPPORTED BY A LOT OF WESTERN NATIONS IN ITS EFFORTS.

IT IS SAID THAT THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE.

THEY DON'T WANT THE CURRENT RESIDENT TO BE REELECTED.

SHE IS VERY PRO-WESTERN.

WHAT DO YOU SEE HAPPENING THERE.

WHAT CONCERNS YOU ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN MOLDOVA?

>> THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING AND IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THERE IS MASSIVE INTERFERENCE.

IMPORTANT IS TO CREATE TRANSPARENCY.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING, TO SHOW TO THE PEOPLE.

THROUGH YOUR OWN CHOICE, CHOOSE THE ONE THAT IS BETTER FOR YOU AND YOUR FUTURE AND TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT MOLDOVA HAS OUR SUPPORT IN BEING AN INDEPENDENT DEMOCRACY AND HAVING THE RIGHTS TO HAVE INDEPENDENCE, SECRET, AND TRUE VOTES AND THEREFORE VERY CLEAR THAT THERE IS FULL SUPPORT .

SEE WHAT IS YOUR ANALYSIS?

ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO FEND IT OFF?

OR NOT?

>> EVERYONE IS WORKING HARD ON THAT ONE.

THE MORE TRANSPARENCY WE CREATE ON WHAT IS GOING ON AND THAT INTERFERENCE IS THERE, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT WILL REALIZE THEIR FUTURE IS IN THEIR HANDS AND GO VOTE.

>> THAT IS A CLEAR CALL.

ON ISRAEL, HERE THIS WEEK, IS DOMINATED BY THE RECOGNITION OF PALESTINE IS A STATE.

PALESTINIAN STATEHOOD.

NOW, FOUR OF THE FIVE PERMANENT MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZE IT EXCEPT FOR THE UNITED STATES.

HOW DO YOU THINK THIS MOVEMENT IS GOING TO SHOW RESULTS ON THE GROUND?

ISRAEL IS ALREADY THREATENING TO RETALIATE.

I HAD THE AMBASSADOR ON MY PROGRAM YESTERDAY.

HE SAID MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT MORE JEWISH CIVILIANS IN WHAT HE CALLED TODAY AND SAMARIA, THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK.

WE HAVE A MASSIVE OFFENSIVE HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.

HOSPITALS, CIVILIANS, PEOPLE AS THEY TRY TO GO AFTER MORE HAMAS AND GAZA CITY.

FIRST, WHAT IS THIS RECOGNITION GOING TO DO?

>> THE MOST IMPORTANT AT THIS MOMENT AT THE UNITED NATIONS, THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, WAS THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY UNITY ON A TWO STATE SOLUTION.

THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART.

THIS IS WHERE EUROPE IS COMPLETELY UNITED, THAT WE SEE THE FUTURE, A TWO STATE SOLUTION AND IT SHOULD WORK INTENSIVELY TOWARD THAT.

FOR US, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT HAS TO START BEING THAT GAZA, THE ONE GAZA STOPS, THAT THERE IS A CEASEFIRE, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE THE HOPE FOR TWO STATE SOLUTION THAT IS VIABLE AND THIS IS THE UNIFYING FACTOR.

>> THE ISRAELIS SAY NO AND THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN, AS YOU HAVE HEARD, FOR MINISTERS INCLUDING THE PIE MINISTER.

THERE WILL NEVER BE A PALESTINIAN STATE.

SEE I GOT NEWS FOR YOU, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> YEAH.

THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE TO BE AND WE ARE VERY CLEAR.

WE HAVE SEEN A LARGE NUMBER OF COUNTRIES SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION WITH A TWO STATE SOLUTION.

>> WHAT CAN EUROPE DO MORE?

THERE ARE CERTAIN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WHO STOP CERTAIN TRADE WITH ISRAEL WHO TALK ABOUT THE CONTEST, PULLING OUT IF ISRAEL JOINS.

WHAT CAN YOU DO BEYOND RHETORIC?

THERE IS TRADE DEALS, THERE IS STUFF THAT YOU COULD DO.

WHAT WILL YOU DO?

>> LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, EUROPE IS THE LARGEST OWNER OF HUMANITARIAN AID IN THIS COUNTRY.

EUROPE IS ALSO THE LARGEST DONOR TO THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY THAT IS CRUCIAL TO THE TWO STATE SOLUTION.

VERY IMPORTANT.

EUROPE HAS A STRONG AND GOOD RELATIONS ALSO TO ISRAEL.

WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT WE WILL TAKE AWAY THE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN TRADE, NOT AFFECTING CIVIL SOCIETY, NOT AFFECTING OUR WORK BUT THAT WE LOOK AT THE REDUCTION OF PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FOR ISRAEL TRADE.

OUR WISH IS THAT WE GO BACK TO THE PATH OF THE TWO STATE SOLUTION.

THEREFORE, WE WANT A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL PEOPLE, THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE AND WE WANT SOLUTIONS THAT ARE VIABLE FOR THE FUTURE.

>> ONE MUST QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE ANY MORE DETAILS BUT YOU ARE FLYING IN YOUR OWN OFFICIAL PLANE A WHILE AGO AND THERE WAS A GPS ISSUE AND THERE WAS ALL THIS THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THE RUSSIANS HAD INTERFERED OR WHAT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?

DID YOU EVEN KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING AT THE TIME?

>> AT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITIES ARE THE ONES WHO WERE VERY CLEAR ON THAT ONE.

ACTUALLY, IT SEEMS TO BE A DAILY EXPERIENCE FOR THE FRONTLINE COUNTRIES.

I VISITED THE FRONTLINE COUNTRIES AND FOR THEM, A DAILY EXPERIENCE IS THE DRUMMING THAT THE RUSSIANS AND BELARUSIANS DO AND ALSO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EVENT WITH THE DRONES COMING THROUGH THE POLISH TERRITORY, MIGRATION AT THE BORDER OF THOSE FRONTLINE COUNTRIES.

THESE COUNTRIES EXPERIENCE EVERY SINGLE DAY THE HYBRID ATTACKS BY RUSSIA AND BELARUS AND THEY NEED OUR FULL SUPPORT.

>> YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T ASK YOU BUT I KNOW IT IS A BIG DEAL FOR YOU.

PRESIDENTS OF AN LAY DOWN A CHALLENGE TO THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY TO NOT JUST STOP THIS WAR BUT ALSO TO HELP BRING BACK CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN KIDNAPPED AND JUSTIFIED.

THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY TURNED INTO RUSSIAN CITIZENS, THESE CHILDREN.

AS YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT PUTIN -- THERE IS AN ARREST WARRANT OUT FOR HIM BY THE ICC ON THIS ISSUE OF KIDNAPPED CHILDREN.

WHAT HAVE YOU DISCUSSED HERE?

I KNOW MILANI A TRUMP WAS HERE TALKING TO ELEANOR ZELENSKYY ABOUT IT.

>> IT IS ABHORRENT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

FROM DAY ONE ON, WE WERE AT THE SITE OF UKRAINE TO DO EVERY THING POSSIBLE TO BRING BACK THOSE CHILDREN.

WE WORKED VERY INTENSIVELY WITH UNICEF, THE FUNDING AND UNICEF AND FOR THE CHILDREN WHO ARE COMING BACK TO BE TREATED AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAL AND TO GIVE THEM SUPPORT AND TO RAISE ATTENTION GLOBALLY.

WE WILL HOST THE NEXT SUMMIT ON THE ABDUCTED CHILDREN.

THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE WORLD HAS TO LOOK AT AND THE WORLD HAS TO STAND AT ONE THAT THESE CHILDREN GO BACK HOME.

>> ALL RIGHT.

URSULA VON DER LEYEN, PRESIDENT OF THE E. U. COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU.

> >> NOW TO GAZA WHERE MORE THAN 60 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS ACCORDING TO AN UPDATE FROM LOCAL HOSPITALS.

THOSE HOSPITALS ARE THEMSELVES A PRIME TARGET OF ISRAEL'S ASSAULT ON GAZA CITY.

MOST OF THE LATEST KILLINGS OCCURRED THERE.

THE WAR IN GAZA IS A KEY FOCUS OF THE POETIC DISCUSSIONS OF THIS U. S. YOU IN A GENERAL FAMILY.

FRANCE, BRITAIN, CANADA, AUSTRALIA ARE AMONG A SURGE OF NATIONS NOW RECOGNIZING PALESTINIAN STATEHOOD.

YET, THERE ARE NO HIGH-LEVEL PALESTINIAN OFFICIALS IN ATTENDANCE.

IN AN UNPRECEDENTED MOVE, THE U. S. REFUSED VISAS TO LEADERS OF THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY.

INSTEAD, THE SOLE REPRESENTATIVE IS THE PALESTINIAN ENVOY TO THE UNITED NATIONS, RIYAD MANSOUR AND HE IS JOINING ME NOW.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> WE SEE BEFORE, TALKING TO YOU, A PICTURE OF YOU ALONE IN THE SECURITY COUNCIL IN YOUR BOX, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

HOW DOES IT FEEL?

DO YOU FEEL ALONE OR DO YOU FEEL THE WORLD IS WITH YOU?

>> I DON'T FEEL ALONE.

FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE A TEAM WITH ME IN NEW YORK AND I HAVE THE WHOLE WORLD IS WITH ME.

SO, PALESTINE IS NOT ISOLATED AND THE PALESTINIANS, THE LEADERSHIP, THE ANGEL, THE CHILDREN, ARE FEELING THE ROOMS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND I FEEL THEY ARE FILLING THE STREETS IN NEW YORK CITY.

>> THERE ARE CERTAINLY PALESTINIAN FLAGS FLYING AND IT HAS BEEN A HUGE FOCUS WITH THE RECOGNITION AND NOW AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF U. N. MEMBERS RECOGNIZE PALESTINIAN STATEHOOD.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL MEAN PRACTICALLY?

>> IT MEANS A LOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE COUNTRIES LIKE THE UK, WHICH ADOPTED THE DECLARATION ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO TO FINALLY RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF PALESTINE AS HISTORY.

I WAS SAID YESTERDAY TO PRESIDENT MACRON JOKINGLY, THIS IS A WONDERFUL ADJUSTMENT AND SHIFT OF THE SOMETHING OF SPEAKER.

HE TOLD ME, I KNOW A LOT ABOUT THAT.

WHEN YOU SEE COUNTRIES LIKE THAT, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, JOINING THE 149 COUNTRIES THAT VOTED TO RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF PALESTINE, NOW WE HAVE 159.

IT IS MASSIVE.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

HISTORY.

>> IMPORTANT COUNTRIES, THOUGH.

THE UNITED STATES, OBVIOUSLY ISRAEL AND ISLANDS, NATIONS IN LATIN AMERICA, PARAGUAY VOTED NO.

PRESIDENT OF THE PA WILL SPEAK TOMORROW BUT ONLY BY REMOTE.

THERE WAS A VOTE AND THEY AGREED TO LET HIM ADDRESS BY REMOTE BUT HE IS BEING DENIED A VISA ALONG WITH HIS MAJOR DELEGATION.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT WILL ACHIEVE?

DENYING THE VISAS?

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT HAPPENED?

>> WHAT WILL IT ACHIEVE?

I ASKED THEM, THE GOVERNMENT, THAT MADE THAT VERY UNFORTUNATE AND REGRETTABLE DECISION.

IF THEY THINK THAT THIS WAY THEY WILL SILENCE US, THEY ARE MISTAKEN.

I THINK IT COULD BACKFIRE.

SOME COUNTRIES THAT MAYBE THEY WERE RELUCTANT ABOUT THE RECOGNITION, MADE UP THEIR MIND AND RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF PALESTINE AND I DON'T WANT TO NAME COUNTRIES.

YOU CANNOT, IN IT TODAY TECHNOLOGY, SILENCE ANYONE.

PALESTINE IS PRESENT.

PALESTINE IS FILLING ALL OF THE HOLES AT THE UNITED NATIONS.

OUR PRESIDENT ON MONDAY ADDRESSED THE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE AND THE TWO STATE SOLUTION AND TOMORROW, HE WILL BE THE FIRST SPEAKER ADDRESSING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

>> HAVE YOU SEEN A DROP?

DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE IS GOING TO SAY, MORE OR LESS?

>> HE SAID SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY HEARD THAT ON MONDAY.

THERE WILL BE MORE THAT WILL BE BILLED ON THAT.

>> AS WE SPEAK, WE CAN SEE IT AND IT IS BEING SAID THAT ALL WELL AND GOOD TO RECOGNIZE PALESTINIAN STATEHOOD BUT GAZA IS BEING DEMOLISHED.

>> YES .

>> HOW DO YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO STOP?

>> THE FIRST THING IS THAT THIS GENOCIDAL WAR AGAINST OUR PEOPLE HAS TO STOP.

STOPPING THE WAR WILL CREATE SO MANY POSITIVE THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, IT WILL SAVE LIVES.

WE WILL NOT LOSE ON THE AVERAGE OF 100 PALESTINIANS, A LARGE NUMBER OF THEM ARE CHILDREN.

HUNDREDS INJURED.

ALSO, IT INCREASES THE CHANCES OF THE RELEASE OF THE HOSTAGES, THE CONTINUATION OF THE WAR, IT TAKES LIVES.

PEACE SAVES LIVES.

WE SHOULD BE GIVING PEACE A CHANCE.

REMEMBER THAT CHANT?

WHEN WE WERE YOUNG, A USED TO BE FILLING THE STREETS IN THE UNITED STATES REGARDING VIETNAM?

LET'S GIVE PEACE A CHANCE IN OUR REGION.

THIS WAR HAS TO STOP.

FOOD SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO OUR PEOPLE, NOT TO STARVE THEM TO DEATH.

AND MEDICINE AND WE NEED NOT TO ALLOW THE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY TO TAKE PLACE OF FORCED DISPLACEMENT.

WE NEED TO REBUILD GAZA.

GAZA IS A PRECIOUS PART OF PALESTINE AND WE CAN REBUILD IT.

WE CAN MAKE IT MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN BEFORE.

OUR PEOPLE ARE RESILIENT AND THEY WANT TO STAY IN THAT PART OF OUR NATIONAL HOMELAND.

GAZA IS PRECIOUS FOR US.

>> CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING.

YOU TALK ABOUT REBUILD MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN BEFORE.

THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS PLANS PUT FORTH THAT ARAB COUNTRIES HAVE SAID THEY WILL.

IT HAS BEEN REJECTED SO FAR BY ISRAEL AND THE UNITED STATES, AT LEAST PUBLICLY, AS PART OF THE PLAN THEY PUT UP MANY MONTHS AGO BUT THERE IS THIS PLAN BY THIS TRUSTEESHIP, THE ACRONYM IS GREAT.

IT IS SUGGESTED GAZA WILL GO INTO THE U. S. AND OTHER KINDS OF TRUSTEESHIP, THAT IT WILL BE BUILT AS A --LIKE TRUMP SAID, RIVIERA OF THE MIDDLE EAST, THAT IT WILL BE A TECH HUB AND THE REST OF IT AND THAT IT MIGHT EVEN INCLUDE PALESTINIANS BEING MOVED, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT?

>> SOME OF THESE NARRATIVES ARE HISTORY.

THEY WERE SUGGESTED AT A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME BUT ONCE THE ARABS AND THE MUSLIM AND THE MEETING OF THE OIC SAID , WE HAVE PLANS AND THEY PUT THE PLANS, 130 PAGES AND WE WILL FUND THESE PLANS.

$53 BILLION.

PRESIDENT TRUMP SORT OF RETREATED BECAUSE WHEN HE KNEW THAT THERE IS A PLAN BY THE ARAB AND THE MUSLIMS AND SUPPORTED BY THE EUROPEAN UNION AND OTHERS, THEN, THEREFORE, THAT IS THE PLAN THAT HAS THE GLOBAL CONSENSUS.

IN FACT, IN THE DECLARATION ON THE TWO STATE SOLUTION, THERE IS AN ENDORSEMENT BY ALL OF THE COUNTRIES THAT VOTED IN FAVOR OF THAT PLAN.

THEY ENDORSED THAT RECONSTRUCTION OF GAZA PLAN SO THAT THAT IS THE ONLY PLAN AND IT WILL START THREE WEEKS AFTER THE CEASEFIRE, ACCORDING TO THE EGYPTIANS.

THEY WILL CONVENE THE RECONSTRUCTION CONFERENCE ORGANIZED BY EGYPT, PALESTINE, AND THE UNITED NATIONS AND ENDORSED BY SO MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND OTHERS WILL BE CONVENED IN CAIRO AND WE WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF THE LIMITATION.

>> ALL RIGHT.

AS YOU KNOW, ISRAEL IS VERY ANGRY AND SO WAS THE UNITED STATES ABOUT THE RECOGNITION.

THEY SAY THAT IT IS A REWARD FOR HAMAS TERRORISM.

THEY SAY THAT IT IS NOT UP TO ANY THIRD PARTY TO DECIDE ON THE RESOLUTION OF EUROPE'S 80 YEAR CONFLICT OR MORE BUT IT IS UP TO THE TWO PARTIES TO DECIDE IN NEGOTIATIONS.

THEN THEY SAY THAT THERE IS NO PALESTINIAN PARTNER TO NEGOTIATE WITH.

THEY SAY THAT EVEN THE PA, WHICH RECOGNIZES ISRAEL, IS NOT LEGITIMATE, IN TERMS OF ITS CREDIBILITY.

THIS IS WHAT AMBASSADOR DANNY DID ON FROM ISRAEL SHOWED ME.

>> IS AT THE RIGHT FOR ISRAEL TO DENY US OUR FATE?

TO DENY US THE RIGHT TO SELF- DETERMINATION?

IS IT THE RIGHT OF ISRAEL TO SAY THERE WILL NEVER BE A PALESTINIAN STATE?

THE OCCUPIERS?

AT LEAST THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER THE CHARTER OF THE U. N. THROUGH EXERCISING THAT RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION, TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEY WANT AND WE HAVE DECIDED, WE WANT TO END THE OCCUPATION.

THE ICG SAID IT IS ILLEGAL OCCUPATION, THAT IT HAS TO BE TERMINATED AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE.

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ONE YEAR, WE WANT THE END OF THIS ILLEGAL OCCUPATION AND WE WANT THE INDEPENDENCE OF OUR STATE WITH THIS AND THE BORDER ON 4 JUNE OF 1967.

THAT IS THE POSITION OF THE PALESTINIAN STATE.

>> OF COURSE.

TO YOUR POINT, I SPOKE TO, AS YOU SAID, THE PRESIDENT OF THE EU COMMISSION, URSULA VON DER LEYEN, THIS MORNING WHO SAID THAT THIS RECOGNITION RE-FORCES THE EU AND INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IS COMING TENURED -- CONTINUED SUPPORT.

YOU HAVE THAT SUPPORT BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ESTATE, THE REALITY IS THAT THERE IS A HUGE NUMBER OF MORE SETTLEMENTS, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK AND AGAIN, AMBASSADOR DANNY DANON TOLD ME YESTERDAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY MAY DO IN RESPONSE TO THIS RECOGNITION IS, I BELIEVE, HE SAID, PUT MORE JEWISH CIVILIANS IN WHAT THEY CALL JUDEO AND SAMARIA.

THERE IS THIS BIG SETTLEMENT THAT THEY HAVE THREATENED TO PUT AND POTENTIALLY EVEN ANNEX LARGE PARTS OF THE WEST BANK.

THOSE ARE PHYSICAL RESPONSES.

>> THIS IS ILLEGAL BY INTERNATIONAL LAW AND THE HISTORIC OPINION OF THE ICJ.

>> BUT IT KEEPS HAPPENING.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT PRACTICAL AND PRAGMATIC.

>> I KNOW BUT LET ME ADD WHY THIS, IN A SAY IN GOVERNMENT LED BY NETANYAHU ARE DOUBLING DOWN ON VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND THEY WANT TO WE RACE THE EXISTENCE OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE AND EXPRESS DURESS AND TO ANNEX WHAT THEY WANT TO ANNEX IN THE WEST BANK AND TO HAVE MORE SETTLEMENTS.

THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IS DOUBLING DOWN AND NOT ALLOWING THEM TO SUCCEED WITH THAT.

THAT IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE RECOGNITION.

THIS IS ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THAT ATMOSPHERE THAT YOU SEE AT THE U. N. .

ALMOST EVERYONE FOR THE TWO STATE SOLUTION, WHICH REQUIRES THE END OF THIS OCCUPATION, WHICH IS ILLEGAL, AND THE INDEPENDENCE AND FREEDOM FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

>> CAN I ALSO JUST PUT YOU --I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PUT YOU WHAT THE ISRAELIS SAY ABOUT NOT HAVING A CREDIBLE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY TO DEAL WITH.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THEY SAY IS THIS PAID TO SLEIGH PROGRAM THAT THEY SAY IS STILL GOING ON.

KENITE PLAY THIS BIT OF MY INTERVIEW WITH AMBASSADOR DANON?

>> I TELL YOU WHY IT IS THE BEST DECISION.

PEOPLE MAKE A DISTINCTION.

THE PA, THEY CONTINUE TO PAY TERRORISTS.

THEY HAVE A LEAH LITMAN POLICY .

THERE WAS A TERROR ATTACK ON CHILDREN A FEW WEEKS AGO.

IT WAS MASSACRED.

THE PA, THE PRESIDENT WILL PAY THE FAMILIES OF THE TERRORIST A MONTHLY SALARY OF $1000 A MONTH FOR LIFE.

>> FROM WHAT I GATHER, THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE.

>> THAT IS THE CASE.

YOU CAN ASK THE PRESIDENT NEXT TIME YOU INTERVIEW HIM AND HE WILL TELL YOU.

>> I WILL ASK IS REPRESENTATIVE TOMORROW.

>> HE WILL TELL YOU THAT PART OF THE IDEOLOGY.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

ASK THE U. S. ADMINISTRATION AND OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND THERE IS NOW THE OLD ARRANGEMENT THAT IS NOT IN PLACE.

THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS NEGOTIATED OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND IT HAS MET THE APPROVAL AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF MANY PARTIES INCLUDING THE U. S. ADMINISTRATION.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE U. S. ADMINISTRATION.

OBVIOUSLY THE NATION WITH THE MOST INFLUENCE IN THE REGION IS THE UNITED STATES, RIGHT?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> HOW DO YOU SEE THE CURRENT U. S. ADMINISTRATION BEING AN HONEST BROKER AS YOU HAVE ALWAYS WANTED THIRD PARTIES TO BE BETWEEN YOUR LEGITIMATE RIGHTS AND ISRAEL LEGITIMATE RIGHTS?

DO YOU SAY THAT --DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THAT COMMITMENT FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION?

>> THIS ADMINISTRATION CANNOT IGNORE WHAT HAPPENED ON MONDAY AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT.

WHEN THESE VERY IMPORTANT COUNTRY TO THE U. S. ADMINISTRATION AND U. S. POLICIES, SAUDI ARABIA, QATAR, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES ON ONE HAND, FRANCE, UK, ITALY, SPAIN, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, JUST ONLY TO NAME A FEW ARE SAYING THIS WAR HAS TO STOP.

THEY ARE SAYING THIS OCCUPATION HAS TO END.

A TWO STATE SOLUTION HAS TO TAKE PLACE.

THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY IS OUR PARTNER AND IT SHOULD BENEFIT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE IN ALLSTATE OF THE LAND OF PALESTINE INCLUDING GAZA.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.

WE ARE STRENGTHENING THEM.

I JUST SIGNED INTO EUROPEAN UNION HEADQUARTERS JUST AN HOUR AGO, AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN EUROPEAN INVESTMENT BANK WITH OUR PALESTINIAN MONETARY AUTHORITY, 400 MILLION EUROPEAN EUROS AND OUR PRIME MINISTER JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO WAS IN BRUSSELS.

HE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION OF RECEIVING 1.

6 BILLION IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS TO STRENGTHEN THAT INSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE.

IT MEANS THAT PEOPLE ARE DETERMINED NOT TO ALLOW THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY TO COLLAPSE OR TO BE DESTROYED IN SPITE OF THESE CRAZY WISHES OF THE ISRAELI LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE WHO WILL WIN THE BATTER.

IS AT THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY SAYING YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED IN KILLING MORE PALESTINIANS?

THE CEASEFIRE WILL BE IN PLACE.

YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED IN A STARVING THEM.

FOOD WILL BE COMING TO SCALE TO THE GAZA STRIP.

YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED IN PUSHING THEM TO THE BORDER OF EGYPT, TO END UP HAVING THEM IN THE SINAI.

WE WILL ALLOW THEM TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF THE RECONSTRUCTION AND WE ARE DETERMINED THAT THIS OCCUPATION WILL END AND THE TWO STATE SOLUTION WILL BE A REALITY.

THEY ARE DOUBLING DOWN AND THE WORLD IS DOUBLING DOWN.

NOT AGAIN.

YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED IN ERASING THE NATION.

WE WILL SEE WHO WILL WIN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

SPECIAL ENVOY RIYAD MANSOUR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, INDEED.

>> THANK YOU.

I AM THE AMBASSADOR TO THE STATE OF PALESTINE.

>> I KNOW BUT OFFICIALLY IS A PERMANENT OBSERVER BUT NOW YOU ARE THE INVESTOR BECAUSE OF THE RECOGNITION?

>> IN THE BLUE BOOK, IF YOU READ, I AM AMBASSADOR OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE, CHAIRMAN AND OBSERVER OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE.

>> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.

>> YOU ARE VERY WELCOME.

>> IT IS NOT ONLY GLOBAL CHALLENGES BEING DISCUSSED HERE AT THE UNITED NATIONS BUT GENERAL ASSEMBLY BUT ALSO THE FUTURE OF THE U. N. ITSELF WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP LATE INTO ALONG WITH ALLIES BEFORE HIM.

TAKE A LISTEN.

>> NOT ONLY IS THE U. N. NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEMS IT SHOULD TOO OFTEN, IT IS ACTUALLY CREATING NEW PROBLEMS FOR US TO SOLVE.

IT IS TIME TO END A FAILED EXPERIMENT OF OPEN BORDERS.

YOU HAVE TO END IT NOW.

I CAN TELL YOU.

CLIMATE CHANGE.

DOESN'T GO HIGHER OR LOWER?

WHATEVER THE HELL HAPPENS, IT IS CLIMATE CHANGE.

>> ALL OF THIS WITH THE U. N. GA'S PRESIDENT FORMER PRESIDENT LOOKING ON FROM ABOVE.

BEFORE THE SPEECH YESTERDAY, PREVIEWING FOR US THE U. N. AT 80, SHE HAD COME OUT SWINGING IN DEFENSE OF THIS GLOBAL INSTITUTION.

TAKE A LISTEN.

>> I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR NATION BUT IN FEBRUARY, SHORTLY AFTER HE WAS INAUGURATED, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THERE WAS GREAT HOPES FOR THE U. N. BUT IT IS NOT BEING WELL RUN.

TO BE HONEST, THEY ARE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB BUT THEN HE WENT ON TO SAY A LOT OF THESE CONFLICTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON SHOULD BE SETTLED OR AT LEAST WE SHOULD HAVE SOME HELP IN SETTLING THEM BUT WE NEVER SEEM TO GET HELP THAT SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE U. N. .

HOW DO YOU FORGET WHO SAID IT, HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

I WAS JUST READING A RECENT BOOK THAT IS COMING OUT ABOUT THE SECOND SECRETARY GENERAL WHO PLAYED A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE IN DIFFUSING THE POTENTIAL NUCLEAR CONFLICT BETWEEN RUSSIA AND THE UNITED STATES DURING THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.

THE U. N. HAS THAT ABILITY.

DO YOU THINK, GIVEN WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID ABOUT MEETING YOU AND HELP, THAT THERE IS NOW, ON THIS 80th ANNIVERSARY OF THE U. N. , A WAY TO PUSH THAT FORWARD AND TO REIMPOSE THE U. N. AS AN IMPORTANT ACTOR FOR PEACE?

>> DEFINITELY.

THIS IS THE TOP OF OUR TIME, TO MAKE THE UNITED NATIONS ALIVE AGAIN.

FOR THAT ONE, WE HAVE TO REFORM IT.

OBVIOUSLY.

NOT ALL THE REFORMS WE NEEDED IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN DELIVERED.

IT HAS TO BE MADE FIT FOR THE 21st CENTURY.

THERE IS ALSO SO MUCH MORE POTENTIAL WITH A. I. AND OTHER TECHNIQUES.

HOWEVER, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD GET RID OF OUR PRINCIPLES.

THE PRINCIPLES IN THE CHARTER, THEY ARE THE BASELINE FOR A PEACEFUL WORLD.

IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERY MEMBER STATE, ESPECIALLY OF THE PERMANENT MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL TO DELIVER ON THESE RESOLUTIONS AND ON THESE FAIR PRINCIPLES AND THIS IS WHY I HAVE CALLED UP THE PRESIDENT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO REUNITE AT THIS MOMENT WHEN WE ARE AT THE CROSSROADS, TO UNDERLINE THAT THIS IS A MAKE IT MOMENT IF NOT A BREAK AT MOMENT, TO EMBRACE THE VISION THAT WE ARE ALL BETTER TOGETHER AND THAT EVERY STATE LEADER SHOULD ASK HIMSELF WHEN HE COMES TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, WHAT IS IT THAT U. N. DONE FOR MY COUNTRY AND NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WILL BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT UNITED NATIONS IF WE JUST THINK ENTERING AN AIRPLANE, THIS IS THE U. N. , SAFETY IN THE AIRSPACE, FIGHTING THE COVID PANDEMIC.

THE COVID PANDEMIC DID NOT HAVE ANY PASSPORT.

NOT THE STRONGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD COULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT ALONE.

BESIDES ALL OF THE COUNTRIES THAT WERE BORN OUT OF SUPPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS.

THE LEADERS SHOULD ALSO ASK THEMSELVES THEN, IF WE ARE BETTER OFF AS A COUNTRY DUE TO THE U. N. , WHAT IF MY COUNTRY DELIVERED TO BE BETTER IN THE FUTURE?

BECAUSE THIS IS THE MOMENT, WHETHER THE U. N. COULD BREAK, BUT WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE FUTURE AND TO DELIVER ON THE PROMISES WE GAVE TO ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.

>> I GUESS, FINALLY, WE KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ELECTION FOR THE NEXT SECRETARY GENERAL AT THE END OF 2026 WHEN THE CURRENT SECRETARY GENERAL TERM EXPIRES.

80 YEARS OF A MAN AT THE HELM, WOMEN HAVE PRESENTED THEMSELVES.

AGAIN, TO YOU, AS ONE OF THE RARE FEMALE PRESIDENTS OF THE U. N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY, DO YOU THINK IT IS TIME FOR A WOMAN TO BE ELECTED AS SECRETARY GENERAL?

NEXT?

>> WELL, YOU MIGHT WONDER HOW IN 80 YEARS, WHEN WE HAVE 4 BILLION POTENTIAL CANDIDATES IN THE WORLD, AND THIS IS WHAT UNITES EVERY COUNTRY, THAT HALF OF EVERY SOCIETY IN THE WORLD, NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE, TO WHICH GOD THEY PRAY, THEY ARE WOMEN.

HOW COULD IT BE THAT IN 80 YEARS YOU COULD NOT FIND ONE CANDIDATE?

THE CRUCIAL QUESTION IS, AGAIN, WHO IS THE UNITED NATIONS?

THE SELECTION PROCESS OF THE NEXT SECRETARY GENERAL WILL ALSO BE A STATEMENT ON WHO IS THE UNITED NATIONS?

WHO IS IT REPRESENTING?

IS IT ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD OR JUST HALF OF THE WORLD?

FOR THAT ONE, AGAIN, THE COUNTRIES HAVE MADE A CLEAR COMMITMENT AND IT IS A RESOLUTION UNDERLINING JUST THE FACT THAT IN 80 YEARS THERE HASN'T BEEN A WOMAN AND THAT IT MIGHT BE TIME NOW FOR CHANGING THAT AS WELL.

>> SO, THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS REQUIRES EVERYONE TO WORK TOGETHER.

IT CONTINUES TO WORSEN AS YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM OUR GUEST TODAY.

MEDICAL FACILITIES THERE ARE OVERWHELMED.

THEY FACE A TSUNAMI OF INJURED AND SICK PATIENTS LEADING THE ISRAELI ATTACKS AND WILD PRESIDENT TRUMP CLAIMS THAT THE U. N. IS FAILING TO SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS, HIS OWN DRAMATIC AID CUTS ARE MAKING HUMANITARIAN CRISES WORSE.

TOM FLETCHER IS THE U. N.

'S UNDERSECRETARY GENERAL FOR HUMANITARIAN AFFAIRS AND WE SPOKE ABOUT HIS ONGOING EFFORTS TO KEEP DESPERATELY NEEDED AID FLOWING IN THE FACE OF THESE SEVERE POLITICAL AND INSTITUTIONAL PRESSURES.

>> TOM FLETCHER, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

CAN I ASK YOU, TRUMP WAS IN BROADSIDE MODE YESTERDAY.

HE WAS LAUNCHING INTO THE ALLIES AND EVEN THE U. N. CAN I JUST PLAY LITTLE SOUNDBITE OF DONALD TRUMP?

>> WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE UNITED NATIONS?

THE U. N. HAS SUCH TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL.

I HAVE ALWAYS SAID IT.

IT HAS SUCH TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL.

BUT, IT IS NOT EVEN COMING CLOSE TO LIVING UP TO THAT POTENTIAL FOR THE MOST PART, AT LEAST FOR NOW.

ALL THEY SEEM TO DO IS WRITE A REALLY STRONGLY WORDED LETTER AND THEN NEVER FOLLOW THAT LETTER UP.

>> WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THAT?

HOW DID THE MEETING WITH THE SECRETARY-GENERAL GO?

>> WELL, THERE WERE FIREWORKS YESTERDAY.

THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF HIGH- LEVEL WEEK.

THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE WE COME TO AIR OUR DISAGREEMENTS BUT ALSO TO THINK HOW WE WORK TOGETHER PRACTICALLY.

YEAH, THERE WAS LOTS OF KNOCKING THEM OUT STUFF YESTERDAY.

IT WAS HIGH DRAMA BUT IT BRINGS AN ENERGY TO THE CONVERSATION.

ACTUALLY, I HEARD PRESIDENT TRUMP SAY IN HIS SPEECH HOW COMMITTED HE IS TO A CEASEFIRE IN GAZA.

I HEARD HIM IN THE MEETING WITH SG.

HE WAS VERY CLEAR.

HE IS 100% BEHIND THE U. N. HE WANTS TO SEE THE U. N. GO OUT THERE AND WORK WITH THE U. S. ADMINISTRATION AND OTHERS AND ENDING SOME CONFLICTS AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE U. N. ?

IT IS SAVING LIVES.

IT IS ENDING WORSE.

IS BUILDING RESILIENT COMMUNITIES.

I THINK THAT IS A SHARED OBJECTIVE.

>> HE WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN HIS DEMEANOR WITH THE SG.

MORE ACCEPTING OF AND WANTING TO PARTNER IN GOOD WAYS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT WAS TWO LEADERS MEETING, TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE END UP SOME OF THE CONFLICT AROUND THE WORLD THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MADE CLEAR HE IS VERY COMMITTED TO.

HE IS WILLING TO WORK THE PHONES, TO PUT THE ENERGY THROUGH, THE DIPLOMACY AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.

WE NEED THE WORLD TO COME TOGETHER AND END SOME WORSE.

>> --SOME WORSE.

>> WE KNOW THAT IN ITS HEYDAY, THE U. N. PLAYED A VERY IMPORTANT MEDIATING ROLE, WHETHER IT WAS THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS IN THE CONGO AND ALL SORTS OF PLACES IN THE 60s AND SUCH BUT NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE SECURITY COUNCIL, THE FIVE PERMANENT POWERFUL MEMBERS ARE ALWAYS DEADLOCKED AND THERE IS NEVER A RESOLUTION BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS USING THEIR VETO, WHETHER IT IS RUSSIA OR CHINA OR THE UNITED STATES.

DO YOU SEE A REFORM THERE NEEDED?

>> EVEN ON THE GOOD DAYS, WHEN IT WAS EASIER WHEN THE SECURITY COUNSEL WASN'T PARALYZED, DIPLOMACY WAS STILL TOUGH.

IT STILL TOOK PATIENCE AND TENACITY AND COMMUNITY AND GEORGE MITCHELL TALKED ABOUT 799 DAYS WITH ONLY ONE OF SUCCESS.

THIS STUFF IS NOT EASY.

THE WORK WE TRYING TO DO IN SUDAN TO ENACT PUBLIC THERE, THE WORK WE ARE TRYING TO DO TO GET ACCESS TO GAZA, THESE ARE NOT EASY THINGS TO ACHIEVE BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THEM EVERY DAY.

DO WE NEED A SECURITY COUNCIL THAT FUNCTIONS BETTER?

ABSOLUTELY.

COULD WE BE SMALLER, FASTER, MORE AGILE?

ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS NOT A PERFECT INSTITUTION BUT IT WAS NOT CREATED FOR GOOD TIMES.

IT WAS CREATED FOR TIMES LIKE THIS.

>> YOU MENTIONED GEORGE MITCHELL, THE SENATOR WHO WAS FAMOUSLY MAJOR NEGOTIATOR BETWEEN NORTHERN IRELAND AND BRITAIN AND ALL OF THE REST OF IT DURING THE PEACE PROCESS.

YOU ALSO MENTIONED SUDAN.

IT IS ONE OF THE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULTY MILITARY AND CRISES, SOME 24 MILLION BASE ACUTE FOOD SECURITY.

CHOLERA IS SPREADING.

IN ONE PLACE AND ARE FOR, 300,000 CIVILIANS ARE TRAPPED UNDER SIEGE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A NIGHTMARE ON A PAR WITH GAZA.

>> IN TERMS OF THE SCALE OF THIS, IT IS EVEN GREATER THAN GAZA.

WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT 20 TO 30 MILLION PEOPLE WHO NEED THE SUPPORT, I WANT US TO GET TO EL PASO WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE UNDER SIEGE.

WE WANT TO GET IN THERE WITH FOOD AND WATER.

WE GOT CONVOYS READY TO GO.

HERE, AS WITH EVERYWHERE ELSE, WE NEED THREE THINGS.

WE NEED A POLITICAL PROCESS.

I'VE GOT TWO MEETINGS TODAY WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO TRY TO BRING TOGETHER THE RIGHT REGIONAL PLAYERS, TO TRY TO GET CEASEFIRES.

WE WORK THE BONES.

I WILL HAVE CALLS WITH LEADERSHIP, THE PARTIES ON THE GROUND, TO TRY TO GET US THROUGH THOSE CHECKPOINTS, TO TRY TO GET THROUGH SECURITY FOR OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE OFTEN UNDER FIRE WITH THEIR DELIVERING AND WE FUNDING.

THE SUDAN APPEAL IS THAT 20% FUNDED.

THAT IS CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL OF OUR APPEALS.

NEXT YEAR, WE COULD SAY 140 MILLION LIVES WITH JUST 1% OF WHAT THE WORLD WOULD SPEND AND POST ABOUT SPENDING ON DEFENSE.

THAT IS A LOT.

I AM NOT ASKING PEOPLE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN A HOTEL IN BROOKLYN AND A HOTEL IN --I AM ASKING THEM TO GIVE US 1% OF WHAT THEY ARE SPENDING ON GUNS, MANY OF WHICH ARE TARGETING THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE AND ARE TARGETING US AS WELL.

LAST YEAR, WAS THE DEADLIEST YEAR EVER TO BE A HUMANITARIAN.

>> ALL OVER.

>> HUNDREDS OF COLLEAGUES.

>> JUST ON THE ISSUE OF FUNDING, THE UNITED STATES STARTED THE TRUMP 2.

0 ADMINISTRATION WITH A SIGH THROUGH USAID, FOREIGN AID AND ALSO FUNDING FOR THE U. N. HUMANITARIAN ARMS, WHETHER IT IS WF D, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

HOW CAN YOU DEAL?

YOU SAY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THESE FUNDING CALLS ARE BEING MET.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET MONEY OUT OF THE RICHEST COUNTRY?

>> IT IS A VERY TOUGH FUNDING ENVIRONMENT.

LET'S REMEMBER, U. S. FUNDING HAS SAVED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF LIVES OVER THE YEARS AND WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

NOW, WE ARE IN A VERY PRACTICAL CONVERSATION WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION IS PEOPLE FILL POSITIONS IN THAT ADMINISTRATION ABOUT HOW THE U. S. COULD PLAY THAT MAJOR HUMANITARIAN REAL AGAIN.

WE NEED THE U. S. AS PART OF THAT EQUATION.

WE CAN'T SAVE OVER 100 MILLION LIVES WITHOUT AMERICAN SUPPORT.

WE HAVE TO WORK OUT HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, WHERE THE U. S. LIMITS NEW CONFIGURATION WILL BE LIMITED IN WORKING AND WHERE IT IS VERY CLEAR WHERE HE DOES NOT WANT TO WORK.

LET'S GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

I WANT TO HAVE THAT PRACTICAL CONVERSATION.

I HAVE HAD REALLY PRACTICAL, ENGAGED CONVERSATIONS WITH APPOINTEES AS THEY ARE FILLING THESE ROLES IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND ELSEWHERE AND IT IS A CONVERSATION I ABSOLUTELY RELISH BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T RELISH IS TAKING THE BRUTAL LIFE AND DEATH DECISIONS EVERY DAY ABOUT WHICH PROGRAM TO STOP.

AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, I HAVE SEEN IN AFGHANISTAN, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I SAW IT IN HAITI, I AM SEEING THE DIRECT IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S LIVES, PEOPLE WHO WILL DIE BECAUSE OF FUNDING CUTS.

>> EXACTLY.

LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT GAZA.

IT IS SO IN THE FOREFRONT.

65,000 PALESTINIANS KILLED SINCE OCTOBER 7.

HOSTAGES STILL THERE, THE REMAINING ONES.

THIS HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED IN ANY SORT OF NEGOTIATING PASSION.

IN THE MEANTIME, THIS MASSIVE OFFENSIVE ON THE LAST REMAINING HUGE CITY, GAZA CITY, IS REALLY CAUSING A LOT OF LIFE LOST AND FEAR AND FORCED DEPARTURES AND APPARENTLY SURROUNDING HOSPITALS.

THERE ARE HOSPITALS UNDER SEVERE ATTACK RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU KNOW?

WHAT CAN YOU TELL US?

WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT?

>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS.

IT WAS HORRENDOUS WHEN I WENT IN IN FEBRUARY AND MET KIDS WHO HAD HAD AMPUTATIONS WITHOUT ANESTHETICS.

IT IS HORRENDOUS THAT KIDS DYING OF STARVATION.

EFFECTIVELY THERE BODIES CONSUMING THEIR OWN ORGANS.

WHAT WE GIVE THEM IS THIS HIGH- PROTEIN PEANUT BUTTER PASTE AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE CAN'T BRING PEANUT BUTTER IN BECAUSE IT IS A LUXURY BECAUSE HAMAS MIGHT TRY TO STEAL THE PEANUT BUTTER.

WE ARE ON THE BORDER -- >> SERIOUSLY?

>> SERIOUSLY.

WE ARE FIGHTING TO GET OUR CONVOYS THROUGH.

WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE MORE IN NOW BUT IT IS STILL A DROP IN THE OCEAN.

WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN GAZA CITY IS UTTERLY HORRENDOUS.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISPLACED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

THE LUCKY PEOPLE ARE THE ONES LIVING UNDER TENTS.

THE LUCKY PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WHO CAN ESCAPE BUT WE ARE THERE.

WE WILL STAY AND DELIVER.

WE GOT OUR COLLEAGUES REMAINING IN GAZA CITY TO SAVE AS MANY LIVES AS WE CAN AND TO BEAR WITNESS AND TESTIMONY TO WHAT WE SEE.

>> I AM LITERALLY TRYING TO PROCESS THE PEANUT BUTTER.

I HAVE SEEN IT GIVEN IN DESPERATE SITUATIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT IS BEING FORBIDDEN?

IT IS ON A LIST OF BANNED SUBSTANCES INTO GAZA?

>> YEAH.

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH EACH DAY OF THESE BUREAUCRATIC RESTRICTIONS, WE DEAL WITH THE RULES CHANGING OVER TIME .

WE GET CONVOYS ACROSS THE BORDER.

WE UNLOAD.

WITH AND HAVE TO LOAD THEM UP AGAIN NOT TWO DIFFERENT LORRIES AND WE DON'T GET THE PERMISSION TO MOVE.

WE GET SENT DOWN THE ROAD WHERE THE LOOTERS ARE WAITING, DESPERATE, STARVING, HUNGRY PEOPLE.

MY COLLEAGUE IN GAZA HAS BEEN DOCUMENTING EACH DAY AND VIDEOS THE REALITY OF WHAT WE FACE ON THOSE CONVOYS AND GUESS WHAT?

SHE IS ABOUT TO LOSE HER VISA AND GET KICKED OUT.

>> THE CAUSE?

>> BECAUSE SHE IS TRYING TO TELL THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED IN TO TELL THE WORLD.

I HEARD YOU INTERVIEWING THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR EARLIER.

THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA CANNOT GET IN.

WE ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE LOGISTICS OF BUREAUCRATIC OBSTACLES THAT WE FACE AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN BEING ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

>> COVERED A LOT OF THESE MILITARY CRISES AND I HAVE NOTICED THAT THERE IS A MEDIA EFFECT IF YOU ARE THERE, IF WE ARE THERE ON THE GROUND.

IT DOES RAISE AWARENESS MUCH MORE AND MAKES IT A MORE URGENT PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED BY THE WORLD.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE RESULT OF THE MEDIA, LIKE US NOT BEING ALLOWED IN?

>> THERE IS A REASON YOU ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED IN.

IT IS BECAUSE ISRAEL DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.

AS YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED, THERE ARE MANY, MANY COURAGEOUS PALESTINIAN JOURNALISTS, MANY OF WHOM HAVE BEEN DYING IN MASSIVE NUMBERS, WHO ARE TELLING THAT STORY BUT I THINK IT IS APPALLING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THAT ACCESS.

IT IS CHILLING.

>> THE GAZA HUMANITARIAN FOUNDATION, WHICH WE KNOW IS A VERY SUSPECT ORGANIZATION, IT IS HIGHLY MILITARIZED .

YOU WON'T WORK WITH THEM FOR A REASON, RIGHT?

>> THAT WE ARE NOT WORKING THROUGH THAT MECHANISM.

WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

WE DESPERATELY WANT TO SEE PRINCIPLES COME IN NEUTRAL, INDEPENDENT MATTER AND AID BASED ON NEED AND WE DESPERATELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR AID DOESN'T SUPPORT DISPLACEMENT OF PEOPLE AND THAT WE CAN REACH ALL PARTS INCLUDING THE NORTH AND ACCESS ALL CROSSINGS .

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR ABOUT ALL CROSSINGS, THERE IS A CLOSURE OF A BRIDGE FROM THE CROSSING OF THE PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES INTO JORDAN, RIGHT?

>> THAT IS RIGHT.

>> ISRAEL HAS CLOSED THAT.

IS A PERMANENT THING OR EVEN A LONG-TERM THING?

WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE HUMANITARIAN ROUTE?

>> I HAVE JUST COME FROM A MEETING WITH THE JORDANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER ABOUT THE CROSSING.

WE GOT TO GET IT BACK OPEN AGAIN.

WE NEED ALL OF THE CROSSINGS OPEN FOR AID .

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK.

THE IDEA IS THAT AID, HUMANITARIAN AID IS MUTUAL, INDEPENDENT, IMPARTIAL AND THAT WE GET COMPLETE ACCESS.

OF COURSE, THAT IS BEING DENIED TO US ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS CRISIS.

>> IS A STARVATION POLICY AS FAR AS THE U. N. IS CONCERNED?

>> WE THINK THIS IS A MAN-MADE FAMINE.

WE KNOW THAT IT IS HAPPENING WITHIN METERS OF OUR SUPPLIES ON THE BORDERS.

WE CAN SEE EVERY DAY WHAT IS GOING ON.

WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE NETWORKS, THE CONVOYS, THE EXPERIENCE, THE EXPERTISE TO STOP THIS STARVATION.

IF WE COULD GET 500, 600 TRUCKS IN A DAY, WE COULD END THIS FAMINE AND PREVENT IT FROM DOING THAT AT THE SCALE.

>> TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU NOTICED AT THE HOSPITALS.

THERE ARE DESPERATE REPORTS COMING OUT OF, NOW, GAZA CITY AND ITS HOSPITALS.

THERE ARE ATTACKS, PEOPLE ARE DYING.

>> UNFORTUNATELY, THIS HAS BEEN A PATTERN THROUGHOUT THIS CONFLICT AND NOW.

FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS NOW.

I HAVE VISITED MANY OF THOSE HOSPITALS.

I MET DOCTORS WHO WERE OPERATING WHILE UNDER SNIPER ATTACK.

I HAVE VISITED THE HOSPITAL WHERE ONE OF THE DOCTORS HAS WRITTEN ON THE WALL, TELL THEM WE DID WHAT WE COULD, WHICH I HOPE THAT WE WILL ALL BE ABLE TO SAY ONE DAY.

HE WAS LATER KILLED.

I VISITED, DONATED BLOOD BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF BLOOD .

OUR COLLEAGUES FOUND SHALLOW GRAVES.

I MET -- >> SHALLOW GRAVES?

>> SHALLOW GRAVES.

I MET DOCTORS WHO ARE OPERATING WITHOUT ANESTHETICS BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BRING ANY ANESTHETICS THEY NEED.

IT IS UTTERLY HORRENDOUS.

>> WHO WAS IN THE SHALLOW GRAVES?

IT'S BEEN A VERY HARD TO SAY BUT THEY WERE RECENTLY DUG.

WE FEEL THAT THEY WERE PATIENTS WHO HAD BEEN KILLED IN THE OFFENSIVE THAT OVERRAN THAT PART OF THE HOSPITAL.

IT IS UNIMAGINABLE WHAT WE ARE SEEING AND WHAT WE ARE FINDING IN THOSE HOSPITALS AND HOSPITALS SHOULD NEVER BE A TARGET.

>> OBVIOUSLY, THE HOSTAGES ARE SOMEWHERE .

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HOW THIS OFFENSIVE IS AFFECTING THEIR CHANCE OF BEING RECOVERED ALIVE?

>> I VISITED ONE OF THE KIBBUTZ THAT WAS HIT ON OCTOBER 7 WHERE ONE IN FOUR PEOPLE WERE KILLED OR TAKEN HOSTAGE AND I SPENT TIME WITH THE FAMILIES THERE AND I AM IN TOUCH WITH THEM VERY REGULARLY.

THEY WANT THE FOOD TO GET IN.

THEY WANT A CEASEFIRE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT DURING THE CEASEFIRE WE WERE ABLE TO GET LOADS OF HOSTAGES OUT AND I AM DESPERATE TO GET THE REMAINING HOSTAGES OUT.

WE NEED THAT CEASEFIRE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THEY SHOULD BE AT HOME WITH THEIR LOVED ONES AND WE NEED A COURSE, AS PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID YESTERDAY.

WE NEED TO BRING OUT THE REMAINS OF THOSE HOSTAGES THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED.

THEIR FAMILIES HAVE A RIGHT TO BE RECONCILED WITH THEIR LOVED ONES TOO.

WE WILL KEEP FIGHTING, KEEP BATTLING TO GET THE AID IN AND THE HOSTAGES OUT.

THAT MESSAGE HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PHASE OF THE CONFLICT AND IT IS THE 21st CENTURY ATROCITY THAT WE ARE SEEING AROUND US IN THE HOSTAGES ARE SUFFERING.

THE PALESTINIANS ARE SUFFERING.

THE FAMILIES ARE SUFFERING AND WE NEED A CEASEFIRE.

>> TOM FLETCHER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DIRE INDEED.

FINALLY, VICTORY IN THE FIGHT FOR FREE SPEECH FOLLOWING A MASSIVE PUBLIC OUTCRY.

JIMMY KIMMEL IS BACK A WEEK AFTER BEING PULLED OFF AIR BY ABC OVER HIS COMMENTS ABOUT CHARLIE KIRK'S MURDER.

IN AN EMOTIONAL MONOLOGUE LAST NIGHT, THE COMEDIAN APOLOGIZED FOR THOSE REMARKS SAYING IT WAS NEVER HIS INTENTION TO MAKE LIGHT OF THE MURDER, NOR BLAME A SPECIFIC GROUP AT THE TALKSHOW HOST ALSO EXPRESSED HIS DISDAIN FOR THE PRESIDENT'S OVER SUPPORT FOR HIS CANCELLATION.

TAKE A LISTEN.

>> I NEVER IMAGINED I WOULD BE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS.

I BARELY PAID ATTENTION IN SCHOOL.

ONE THING I DID LEARN FROM LENNY BRUCE AND GEORGE CARLIN AND HOWARD STERN IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT THREAT TO SILENCE A COMEDIAN THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T LIKE IS ANTI-AMERICAN.

>> HEARING ABOUT KIMMEL'S RETURN, TRUMP THREATENED TO TEST ABC OUT WITH A NEW LEGAL COMPLAINT.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AND GOODBYE FROM THE UNITED NATIONS.

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