- A decision by Vermont's.

- attorney general to charge - protesters for trespassing.

- at an ICE surveillance - facility is criticized by.

- some, applauded by others.

-I know it's not easy, uh, -for the attorney general -to make this decision, -uh, to prosecute, and that - doesn't mean that they're.

- all go-going to be thrown - in jail, but they're going.

- to be held accountable, uh, for violating the law.

- Plus, the Vermont Supreme.

- Court sides with the.

- Scott administration.

- on in-person work.

- And a jury finds Jason Eaton.

- guilty of attempted murder.

- All that and more ahead.

- on Vermont This Week.

- From the Vermont Public.

- Studio in Winooski, this is Vermont This Week.

- Made possible in part by.

- the Lintilhac Foundation and Milne Travel.

-Hi, I'm Mikaela Lefrak, -in for Mitch Wertlieb.

- It's Friday, September 25th.

- !

With us today on the panel, we - have Liam Elder Connors from.

- Vermont Public Paul Heines - from the Boston Globe and.

- !

Lucy Tompkins from Seven Days.

Thank you all for being here.

- So some breaking news.

- from Friday morning - to start out with.

-The Vermont Supreme.

- Court unanimously sided - with Governor Phil Scott.

- about in-person work for state employees.

- This debate about whether.

- !

State employees can and should - be required to work from.

- the office has been going on for more than a year now.

Paul Killason.

- Yeah, so this, uh, s-first.

- came up about a year ago - in August when the governor.

- announced that he would be - !

seeking to bring state workers.

- back to the office for a - !

certain number of days a week.

- Um, there was quite a bit of -resistance, uh, from state - workers, and the union that.

- represents them brought this - to the State Labor Relations.

- Board, um, which ruled, uh, -in favor of state employees, -saying that they did not have to go back to work.

- Um, and the Scott.

- administration appealed this to the Vermont Supreme Court.

- Um, we've all been.

- waiting for this decision - for quite some time.

- It came out today, and it -was, uh, pretty emphatic, um, - that the Scott administration.

- was in the right, um, that - it is not a violation of the.

- !

Contract, um, to, uh, require, - um, employees to go back.

- to work a certain number of - days a week, um, and that the.

- Labor Relations Board, um, had made the wrong decision.

- Mm-hmm.

-About how many employees.

- does this affect?

A couple hundred?

Couple-I -have no idea.

Um, but, uh, a lot of them.

Iot.

- Yeah.

- I mean, I think, you know, -the-one of the interesting -parts about this, um, uh, -whole discussion is - !

really goes back to a telework.

- policy that was created after Tropical Storm Irene.

- Prior to that, really.

- nobody was working - outside the office.

- Um, that started to open the -!

Door to it, and then of course - the pandemic really opened.

- the door wide open for, uh, -people to work from home, -uh, in every industry, but, um, but also in state work.

- !

Um, and of course, many people.

- ended up moving farther away from their workstations.

Some moved out of state.

- Um, so a lot of people were.

- taking advantage of this, um, - uh, this sort of limbo status.

- for a long time and, and, - um, this is the end of it.

- Mm.

Well, I'm sure we'll hear -a lot more about this story - !

in the coming weeks, but let's.

- shift a bit because we have - a lot of immigration-related.

- stories to discuss this week.

- The Trump administration.

- has ramped up immigration - enforcement over the.

- past year, and the most - recent federal data shows.

- that a-there's been - a surge in immigration.

- arrests over the summer.

- Numbers hit record.

- highs in many states, including Vermont.

- This s-surge of immigration.

- enforcement has sparked - protests all around the state.

- of Vermont, and a number of - those protests have occurred.

- at an ICE surveillance facility in Williston.

- It's operated by.

- the Department of.

Homeland Security.

- Just this week, Attorney.

- General Charity Clark - announced that she is.

- going to bring charges - against protesters who were.

- arrested there in July.

- Um, Lucy, tell us a little.

- bit more about what this -protest was, what they do, -and how many people are going to be prosecuted.

- Yeah, so this is one of.

- several ICE facilities, uh, in Williston.

- Um, it hou-it's an office.

- park that houses a sort of surveillance office for ICE.

-And since last fall, -it's become the site of regular protests.

- A group of people often.

- will go and try to sort of - block the entrances to the.

- building to kind of shut down the facility, um, for a day.

- And what we've seen in the.

- past is, uh, the police - get called, they'll cite.

- the protesters, um, for -trespassing, but then, um, -Chittenden County State's.

-Attorney, Sarah George, -has not been charging, um, those protesters.

- Yes.

-She's likened it to civil.

- disobedience-Right and, -!

and the civil rights movement, -and that it'd be sort of a - waste of her prosecutorial.

- resources to charge these - people, who mostly have.

- never been charged and have - no past criminal history.

- with these minor offenses.

- Right.

-And so they've, people have.

- continued to go back and kind of repeat this process.

- But this week, um, the.

- state police, uh, brought, - instead brought the charges.

- to, um, Attorney General.

- Charity Clark, who has.

- decided to prosecute.

- Um, so we have 13 people.

- now who are facing - trespassing charges.

-They were arraigned.

- yesterday, I believe.

-Liam was... Yeah, and, uh, yeah, -Paul and I were both - at those arraignments.

- Actually, one of the, um, -persons who was arrested that - day was 18, and so actually.

- that case got transferred - to family court, um, just.

- because that person, um, - is, is still considered a.

- juvenile in the court system.

- But the other dozen, uh, all.

- pleaded not guilty to the criminal trespassing charge.

-Um, and it was quite a, -quite a scene yesterday at the courthouse, Paul.

- I was, I d-was pretty.

- surprised by how many - people were there.

-Yeah, it was packed.

- with people, uh, largely supporting the protesters.

- Um, and you know, I think the.

- political dynamics here are, - are s-the most interesting.

- thing from my perspective.

- Um, when State's Attorney.

- George declined to, uh, - prosecute previous waves.

- of, of protesters, um, uh, - she got a lot of pushback.

- from Governor Scott, um, and -particularly from Scott's, -!

Uh, Public Safety Commissioner - !

Jennifer Morrison, um, who has.

- frankly been quite critical !

of Sarah George on everything.

- Um, and, uh, s-there.

- were clearly some, uh, -discussions that happened, -um, behind the scenes around -what would happen to, uh, -these, um, citations for future, um, future arrests.

- And, uh, quite clearly a.

- decision was made to send - these to the attorney.

- general's office because, -um, there was a hope that, -uh, they might actually lead to prosecution.

-Um, but I think, uh, -the, you know, for, this - puts Charity Clark in a.

- pretty tough position.

-She's a Democrat.

-She's someone who has, -uh, characterized herself - as a very, um, anti-Trump.

- Democrat, has sued the -administration 70 times, -um, just in this term alone.

- And, um, yet she brought.

- charges against, um, the - protesters, which, which.

- led to tons of pushback from other Democrats in office.

- Mm-hmm.

-And, uh, it's interesting.

- too that, that Charity.

- Clark and Sarah George also.

- haven't seen eye to eye in - the past about prosecuting.

- crimes, and Attorney General.

-Clark chose to endorse, uh, -Sarah George's opponent in - the Democratic primary this.

- summer for that Chittenden.

County State's Attorney seat.

- Uh, Liam, you spoke.

- with the attorney general just yesterday.

- What did you hear from her?

- Yeah, I mean, she's defending -her decision to bring these - charges, saying that her role.

- as a prosecutor, she can't, - uh, she can't allow her own.

- !

Politics to influence charging -!

decisions, that-Um, you know, -!

if there were people that were - blocking the entrance to a.

- Planned Parenthood, um, she !

would, she would charge those.

- But she can't, you know, not.

- charge these people who are - blocking the doors at the.

- ICE facility simply because she agrees with the politics.

- She even, you know, is.

- saying, "I, myself, have" - been at protests at one.

- of these Williston ICE - facilities, so, like, I.

- get it.

Um, but I, I can't - let politics influence it."

- She repeated that a number -of times, and wouldn't really - go beyond that in, in talking.

- about her decision yesterday.

- But other statewide.

- office holders saw - it quite differently.

-C-certainly, yeah.

- !

And I, I thought the statement -from Mike Pieciak, the -State Treasurer, - these are people who tend to.

- play nicely in the sandbox.

- Um, you've got two statewide.

- Democratic officials.

-Um, and yet yesterday, uh, -Treasurer Pieciak, who has, - um, you know, no jurisdiction.

- over these issues whatsoever, -put out a statement, uh, -saying that he Calling on, - uh, Attorney General Clark to.

- drop the charges, um, saying - it was the wrong thing to.

- do to charge these folks.

!

Um, and I think that's-Are we -getting a preview of the -2028 gubernatorial race here?

W-we may well be.

- We may well be.

- I mean, these are definitely -two up and coming Democrats.

- Um, and y-you just don't.

- usually see this kind - of public disagreement.

- Um, so, uh, there may -be more of that to come.

- Well, let's, uh, hear from.

- a protestor who's going to be facing charges.

- We viewed what we did as.

- a form of harm reduction.

- What happens at that facility.

- enables the violence we're seeing at the national level.

- Do you have any regret.

- now that you've faced a judge for, for doing that?

- Absolutely not.

- Um, I'm really encouraging -other folks to come out, join the week of action.

- We're gonna keep.

- taking action.

- We're gonna keep.

- protesting until this facility is shut down.

- So on Vermont Edition this.

- week, we spoke to three - members of the so-called.

- Clergy 7, which is a, a - group of clergy members.

- who were similarly arrested - at a sit-in at the same.

- facility this summer.

- Their next court date is.

- at the end of October.

- Paul, do you think more.

- charges like this are going to be on the way?

- I do, yeah.

-I think, um, you know, they.

- did the same thing, and so if - the attorney general's gonna.

- be consistent, then I would imagine they'll face charges.

-Um, and then I think, um, -importantly, this same group - of people is planning to.

- hold a week-long action, -um, early next month, -uh, which I imagine will - involve, um, more visits to.

- this facility in Williston, - um, will likely result.

- In, in yet more arrests.

- !

Mm.

Uh, well, let's talk about.

- !

arrests in a, a very different - space, but still under.

- this immigration umbrella.

- According to a New York.

- Times analysis of federal - data, a majority of.

- Immigrants arrested in July - nationwide were accused.

- of violating immigration - laws, but not facing any.

- other charges or have been convicted of other crimes.

- Lucy, you wrote about the.

- Implications of all of - this on Vermont's roofing.

- and construction industry.

- Uh, how did you first.

- get wind of this story?

- Yeah, I've been noticing.

- !

Since the Trump administration - started its immigration.

- crackdown that there've - been some larger scale.

- raids on roofing and construction crews.

- Um, last year, uh, border.

- patrol also has been participating in this.

- But in the last couple.

- months, I've noticed really - a spate of, of, um, of.

- raids and traffic stops on, - on construction crews that.

- seemed like an escalation.

- And, um, yeah, the it's.

- hard to have exact data, but -I spoke with Migrant Justice, -who said that they've counted - 30 workers in this industry.

- detained this year so far.

- In 13 separate enforcement.

- actions, which I think - makes up the majority of.

- the ICE detentions that we're seeing in Vermont.

- That's interesting.

- So that's, that's very -different than, say, a large - scale raid of a, a dairy.

- facility-Mm-hmm which, - which we did see a couple.

- times here in Vermont a while - back where, where around a.

- dozen people were, were, uh, apprehended at the same time.

- This is one or two people.

- being arrested at a time.

No, sometimes it's nine Okay - -10.

Yeah, but -sometimes it's two.

- Uh, I spoke with one woman.

- who was having her roof - replaced in Cornwall, and.

- there were nine workers at - !

her house, and, um, ICE showed.

- up and detained two of them.

- The rest fled.

- !

They maybe would have detained -more had they been able to, - but it was a really quick.

- kind of get in, get out - operation, which I think.

- they're doing more of now.

- Hmm.

-That's kind of part -of a national trend.

- So how exactly can local -roofing and construction - companies hire people who.

- don't have those official immigration documents?

- Yeah.

-Well, first off, I would.

- say we don't know that, - um, all these workers don't.

- have worker, work permits.

- !

Some of them are in the asylum.

- process and, um, I think do have authorization to work.

- But, um, some I think.

- are also undocumented.

- And in the construction.

- Industry, there's been - a greater reliance on.

- hiring subcontractors.

- So, uh, a company, rather.

- than hiring its own roofing - employees, will hire a.

- subcontractor who then - has their own workers, and.

- the company itself doesn't - need to-verify, um, all.

- of those workers', uh, documents or, or status.

- !

Mm.

Um, so that makes it a lot.

- easier to, uh, hire migrant !

workers and immigrant workers.

- Mm.

Well, Vermont's junior.

- senator, Peter Welch, visited - some of these detainees in.

- a Vermont prison recently.

- Um, so it sounds like many.

- of them have been held - locally and then released.

- subsequently on bail?

-Yeah, it's a, -that's a mix, too.

-Some recent, recently, uh, -workers have been taken out - of state to Massachusetts.

- or New Hampshire.

- Uh, some have been.

- held locally as well.

- !

Um, and yeah, there was a crew.

- of five people in Londonderry - !

who were all detained, and all.

- have since been released on - bail after getting some legal.

- help, um, and having hearings before an immigration judge.

- So in some cases, people.

- are getting released, - especially if they do have.

- those pending asylum cases.

- But there've also been.

- Instances of, uh, whole - crews being deported.

- Mm.

Well, let's stick with -news from the Vermont courts.

- On Monday, a jury handed.

- down a guilty verdict for.

-Burlington man Jason Eaton, -who had been accused of - a 2023 shooting involving.

- three young college students in Burlington, Vermont.

- Um, the young men when they.

- were shot were speaking a mix of Arabic and English.

- Two were wearing traditional.

- Palestinian headscarves.

- All three were injured in.

- the shooting, but survived, - though one is paralyzed.

- from the waist down.

- Uh, Liam, you were following.

- this trial closely.

- Uh, I wondered first before.

- we talk about this verdict - if you could d-take us.

- back to 2023 and tell us - why this story garnered such.

- International attention.

- Well, all three of the.

- young men who were shot - were either Palestinian.

- American or Palestinian.

- They all, they all had.

- citizenship in Palestine.

- And the shooting took place.

- just weeks after the war - in Gaza, the war between.

- Israel and Hamas started, - and so there was just a lot.

- of attention on, on, uh, you - know, rising Islamophobia and.

- antisemitism in the country.

-And then there was, uh, -this shooting in Burlington, - um, involving three young.

- Palestinian men, and it - just, uh, made all the.

- headlines, uh, very quickly.

- Um, President Biden at.

- the time even called.

-Mayor Miro Weinberger, -uh, the, like, the Monday - morning after the shooting.

- happened to talk to him.

- So this was, like, reaching.

- the highest levels of - of, uh, of news and.

- politics, um, of that day.

- So it w-it was a, it.

- was a really big deal.

- One of the, the larger.

- events I've covered in my time here, for sure.

-Yeah, and, and Paul, -you covered this story for The Boston Globe.

- What stood out to you.

- about, uh, about the trial in the past couple weeks?

- Well, um, there were.

- a number of really - fascinating parts of it.

- Um, o-one of them was that -the, you know, the, the crux -of the trial came down to, -um, whether, um, Mr.

Eaton - was legally insane at the.

- time, um, of this shooting.

- Um, but kind of an.

- undercurrent of this was the question of motivation.

- Um, and, uh, the, the state.

- did not need to prove motive.

- Um, early on, um, in those.

- first few days after the - shooting, there was a lot of.

- discussion about whether this !

might constitute a hate crime.

- Right.

-Um, and in fact, uh, Liam.

- mentioned the president at - the time weighing in on this.

- His attorney general, Merrick -Garland, also weighed in -around that same time, -raising the question of, uh, is this a hate crime?

- Um, federal authorities.

- were looking into this.

- Ultimately, um, nobody found.

- enough evidence to charge, - !

um, hate crime, uh, which, you.

- know, it's a very high bar.

- Um, it's actually an.

- enhancement, uh, not a separate charge.

- Right, -I know Liam wants.

- to correct me there -Get in there, Liam.

But, you know-Um, -but, but either way, there -wasn't enough at the, uh, - Chittenden County State's.

- Attorney, Sarah George, - um, said there's not enough.

- evidence to, um, go for that, - uh, hate crime enhancement.

- And yet, um, the motivations -of Mr.

Eaton, um, were - sort of ever present.

- throughout this trial.

-And so, um, for example, -uh, both the defense and - the prosecution, um, either.

- played or read transcripts - from an interview-from.

- a, uh, a meeting that Mr.

- Eaton had with his attorneys.

- about five days after the - shooting, um, in which he's.

- discussing, um, the supposed - delusions he w-he had at the.

- time, um, which, you know, -he claimed involved the CIA, -perhaps Mossad, uh, perhaps, - um, deceased ancestors of.

- his, um, instructing him -via Bluetooth and FM radio, -uh, to commit this crime.

-Um, but in those, uh, -excerpts, there was -a lot of talk about, -um, race and religion.

-There was, uh, for example- -Um, he claimed that he, -uh, had been called to, -um, watch over a Jewish household across the street.

- Um, and he, um, made some.

- remarks that were disparaging -of the victims and, um, -!

Alluding to the fact they were !

wearing keffiyehs at the time.

- Um, so you know, that was.

- ever present in the trial -even though at no point, -um, did anyone explicitly - say, "This is why we.

- think he did it."

Um, so I - thought that was, that was a.

- pretty interesting dynamic.

- Um, but of course, I don't.

- know, Liam, if you'd want -to speak to the-Yeah, -what else did he say, Liam?

- the bigger question about, -uh, sanity, uh, since that - was the crux of the case.

- Yeah, I mean the, the, -the sanity issue in, in.

-Vermont, um, the-it's, -it's a legal term, right?

- We're talking about legal.

- Insanity here, which is, um, - you know, someone could have.

- a mental illness, but they might not reach that bar.

- So in Vermont, the legal.

- threshold is did they - have a, a mental disease.

- or defect that meant they - couldn't conform their.

- behavior to, to the law?

- So Mr.

Eaton's attorneys.

- were arguing, um, that these -delusions that he was having, -that he was, um, psychotic - at the time of the shooting.

- !

Meant he couldn't, uh, conform -his behavior to the law, -and so shouldn't be held criminal-criminally liable.

- Um, it's a slightly lower.

- bar than beyond reasonable - doubt actually, uh, to, to.

- !

Win your insanity defense, but it's still pretty difficult.

- Um, I've covered a couple.

- of cases involving insanity - defenses, and I've never.

- seen it be successful, including in this case.

- Um, but the defense had.

- an expert witness who -came in to testify that, -um, that Mr.

Eaton was delusional and psychotic.

- The state also had their own.

- !

Witness who said no, he's not.

- Um, both were forensic.

- psychologists who had interviewed Mr.

Eaton and looked at records.

-Um, but in the end, the jury, -uh, didn't, obviously didn't, - uh, buy the insanity defense.

- that Mr.

Eaton was making.

-Mm-hmm.

-So we have a verdict, -but not a sentence yet.

- Do we know when, when.

- we'll hear about that?

- That'll take a little bit.

- of time, probably a couple of weeks if not longer.

- Um, you know, it's a, it's.

- a-attempted murder charges, -um, carry a minimum of 20 -years f-uh, or a maximum of - a life in prison, so-Could.

- be something in that range, but we don't know what yet.

- Um, Chittenden County.

- State's Attorney Sarah.

- George hasn't said what.

- she's gonna ask for yet.

Yeah.

- Yeah.

-Well, I'd like to take us.

- down to the southern part of - the state for a moment here.

- to Brattleboro, which has - long been a hub for refugee.

- resettlement in Vermont.

- A new group of refugees.

- are now resettling there, white South Africans.

- Uh, Paul, tell us a.

- little bit about this new - population and, and how.

- they're being received.

- Sure, yeah.

-This has been a really.

- fascinating, uh, development.

- So, um, you know, for.

- a long time Brattleboro -did not have that many, -um, refugees, immigrants.

- Um, uh, but, uh, after.

- the, um, US withdrew from.

-Afghanistan in 2021, um, -Brattleboro welcomed, um, -uh, hundreds of Afghans, -um, and, and other towns in - southern Vermont, Bennington.

- as well, um, obviously up in the Burlington area too.

- Um, but this was a real.

- shift for Brattleboro, - and the community, I think.

- It's fair to say, was very - welcoming of the Afghan.

- refugees who came here.

- Um, but of course, when.

- President Trump took office - last year, he halted the.

- refugee resettlement program.

- Um, and then, uh, a few.

- weeks after he took office, -he made an exception, um, -for white South Africans, - um, who he said were.

- victims of white genocide.

- !

That-that's the term he used.

- That's a term that is highly -disputed, um, by mo-most experts, um, in the area.

- Uh, but he basically said.

- the only refugees we're - gonna allow into the.

- country are, um, white.

South Africans, Afrikaners.

- Um, and, uh, so that's.

- been happening nationwide.

- Uh, it's also been happening.

- In Brattleboro, um, and the -reason for that is, uh, the, -!

The resettlement agencies, um, - that have worked to resettle.

- folks from Afghanistan, - Iraq, um, from many other.

- countries, um, they've been - in this really tight spot.

- where, um, if they refuse to - resettle Afrikaners, um, even.

- though they may disagree with - this new policy, um, they'll.

- lose all their funding.

-They'll cease to exist, -and that will prevent - them from serving.

- their existing clients.

- So they've basically made.

- the bargain, we're gonna stick with this program.

- !

Uh, you know, we're gonna hope.

- that this, uh, policy changes - with the next president.

- In the meantime, we're gonna -help resettle Afrikaners.

- And so, um, at the time.

- that I reported this story -a couple weeks ago, um, 54 -Afrikaners had been resettled - in Brattleboro, another.

- 38 in northwest Vermont.

- Um, and, uh, it appeared that.

- there may be as many as 120 - in the state, um, by the end.

- !

Of September, which is the end - of the federal fiscal year.

- So that's when a lot -of the targets are, um, - are trying to be met.

- !

Um, in terms of the reception- -You know, it's been very - quiet for one thing.

- Um, there's not been the -pomp and circumstance - that you saw with Afghans.

- moving to the state.

- Um, I think because it's.

- a little bit awkward - for a lot of people.

- Um, Brattleboro is, is of -course a very liberal place.

- Um, I think it's fair to.

- say that many residents - disagree with this Trump.

- administration policy.

-At the same time, uh, -Vermonters are welcoming, I -think it's fair to say, and, -and folks in Brattleboro - kind of want to be welcoming.

- They're seeing these people -coming to their town and - saying like, "We may disagree.

- with this policy, but you're" - here now.

Um, you've clearly.

- had a tough time, um, where - you came from, and, and we.

- wanna find a way to welcome - "you as well."

So I'd say.

- there's sort of criticism - of the program, kind of a.

- m-a muted welcome, um, but certainly not hostility.

- Um, many employers are.

- quite happy to have, um, these folks, uh, here.

-Um, they're, you know -We need more workers in.

- Vermont, and um, some of.

- these employers say, "These" -are folks who speak English, -um, who, you know, there's "fewer cultural barriers."

Um, -and so they've been quickly hired, um, around the area.

- Um, so yeah, it, it's a.

- fascinating story I think.

- Well, Paul, thanks for.

- shining a light on that - story, which as you said, we.

- haven't heard too much about.

- Um, I don't know about you.

- guys, but one way that I like - to give myself a little bit.

- of a break from the news is - to poke around on like all.

- the free sites that exist - on the Vermont internet, -like buy nothing groups and Facebook Marketplace.

- Uh, Lucy, you found a.

- very interesting post - recently on the Vermont.

- Craigslist free stuff site.

Mm-hmm.

Can you tell us about it?

- Yeah.

-!

Uh, I wasn't the one to notice.

- !

It, but someone in my newsroom -noticed a listing on Craigs- -the Craigslist free, uh, page for a historic bridge.

- Um, and it's the bridge.

- that, uh, crosses over the.

- Winooski River, connecting.

- Burlington and Winooski.

- Very close to.

- where we sit right - now.

-Yes, right outside.

- this building.

- Um, and it's.

- available for free.

- We at first thought maybe it.

- was a joke, um, but I called.

- VTrans, and it turns out.

- the bridge is available for - free for anybody who'd like.

- to cart it away, um, if you - have the wherewithal to move.

- a 359-foot concrete bridge.

What do you guys think?

Should we I kinda want it.

- Should we do it?

- But, but I thought the most -interesting thing about the -story is that- apparently - There is that they.

- offer it for free, and they - used to list these things.

- In newspapers, but now they're going to Craigslist.

Is that right?

- Yeah.

-So the b-be-the bridge.

- Is gonna be replaced, and - because-Right the.

- replacement project is -receiving federal funding, -!

Uh, there's a requirement that - they post the bridge for free.

- online for a certain amount !

of time before demolishing it.

- So they've decided to post.

- on Craigslist, um, instead of - in local newspapers, I guess.

- because they think it's gonna get more-More responses.

- Um -They really should.

- advertise locally.

I know, I know.

Seven Days right here.

- I know.

-My, uh, publisher didn't.

- love that- little tidbit.

- Um, but yeah, it's.

- available if anyone, if anyone would like to take... Well, guys, I think we should -think about it at least.

Definitely.

-We'll talk after this.

- We can share -it.

-Um, some other exciting.

- news, uh, just briefly here.

- The Vermont Journalism.

- Coalition is launching a new - monthly journalism club, and.

- I think all three of you are involved in this somehow.

Is that right, Paul?

Yeah, yeah.

-All about -Okay.

- Well, -so if you haven't gotten.

- sick of us yet- uh, - next Thursday, um, is the.

- launch of a journalism club.

- !

It's kind of modeled on a book.

- club, and the idea is it's - gonna be a monthly discussion.

- of a particular news story - or news stories, um, that.

- have happened in Vermont.

- Um, and for the first edition.

- of it, this is taking place - at Wild Meadows in Williston.

- at 6:00 next Thursday.

- Um, and, uh, for the first.

- edition, we're inviting these - two on to talk about their.

- coverage of the ICE raids in.

South Burlington in March.

- Um, should be a really.

- great discussion, um, so I hope people will turn out.

Um, and, uh, yeah.

- Sounds great.

- I'm gonna cut you off -though, 'cause I got my own -thing to plug-All right, -go for it the November 3rd election.

- October 6th is lieutenant.

- governor, October 8th - is US House, and October.

- 21st is our gubernatorial - debate with Amanda Genung.

- and Governor Scott.

- We'd love to get questions.

- from you, so you can email - those candidate questions.

- If you've got them to !

- All right, that's where.

- we're gonna have to - leave it for this week.

- Our thanks to the panel, Liam -Elder Connors from Vermont.

- Public, Paul Heins from.

- the Boston Globe, and Lucy.

Tompkins from Seven Days.

- Thank you so much for.

- watching and listening.

- We'll see you next.

- Friday right here for.

Vermont This Week.