>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," WHAT DOES THE CELTICS' HANDLING OF THE IME UDOKA STORY SHOW ABOUT HOW WOMEN IN THE WORKPLACE ARE TREATED EVEN FIVE YEARS AFTER THE SECOND ITERATION OF "ME TOO"?

THEN LATER, AS HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH CELEBRATES HISTORY AND CULTURE, "EL MUNDO" BOSTON'S ALBERTO VASALLO AND STATE REP ALBERTO VASALLO AND STATE REP JON SANTIAGO TAKE STOCK OF SOME OF THE MANY MAJOR ISSUES AT STAKE FOR LATINO PEOPLE NOW, THAT WE SHOULD ALL CARE ABOUT.

>> Braude: THE METOO MOVEMENT BROUGHT REAL HOPE, FOR SOME, THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR WORDS AND ACTIONS, AND THAT WOMEN COULD EXPECT PROTECTION, NOT FURTHER VICTIMIZATION.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING JUST HOW FAR WE HAVE, AND HAVE NOT COME.

AND THIS TIME, IT'S THE BOSTON CELTICS SHINING THE LIGHT, WITH THEIR DEAFENING SILENCE AS TWITTER STARTED KICKING UP WORD OF AN IMPENDING SEASON-LONG SUSPENSION FOR HEAD COACH IME UDOKA.

THE SECOND THE TWEET CAME ABOUT A "CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH A FEMALE STAFF MEMBER," AN ARMY OF ARMCHAIR INTERNET SLEUTHS TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO FIND AND PUBLICLY SHARE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THEY COULD ABOUT FEMALE STAFF MEMBERS, TRYING TO GAME OUT WHO IT WAS.

SPORTS TALK RADIO CHIMED IN, TOO.

SO WHAT DID THE CELTICS EXECS SAY AS NUMEROUS WOMEN IN THEIR ORGANIZATION WERE EFFECTIVELY DOXXED, AND PUT ON DISPLAY FOR THE WORLD TO WEIGH IN ON WHETHER THEY'D BE WORTHY OF UDOKA?

NOTHING.

CRICKETS.

FOR A FULL DAY.

AND DESPITE THE RELATIONSHIP INITIALLY BEING DESCRIBED AS "CONSENSUAL," LATER REPORTS INDICATED THAT THE CELTICS STARTED INVESTIGATING AFTER THE WOMAN SAID UDOKA MADE "UNWANTED COMMENTS" TOWARD HER.

I'M JOINED BY LAUREN HINDMAN, AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF SPORT MANAGEMENT AT STONEHILL COLLEGE, AND GARY WASHBURN, N.B.A.

AND CELTICS REPORTER WITH THE "BOSTON GLOBE."

GOOD TO YOU HAVE BOTH HERE, THANKS FOR JOINS MY.

>> THANK YOU, GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> GARY, DO WE LEARN ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THE UNDERLYING ISSUE, INCIDENT HERE FROM TODAY'S CELTICS MEDIA DAY OR NO?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THE PLAYERS WERE BAIFERL TOLD US THEY KNOW AS MUCH AS WE DO THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PRIVY TO A LOT OF THE DETAILS AS PROBABLY THE MAIN REASON EXACTLY WHY HE WAS SUSPENDED, WHAT EXACTLY DID HE DO.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF CELTICS MANAGEMENT, OWNER AND PRESIDENT OF BAS KELT BALL PRAIKSES CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE OF PRIVACY LAWS.

BUT THE PLAYERS WERE BASICALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CONFUSED.

WHAT HAPPENED, YES, WE'VE BEEN TOLD OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COACH AND A STAFF MEMBER OF THE CELTICS.

BUT WHAT MORE HAPPENED, WHY DID THIS HAPPEN.

BUT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THEY'VE GOT TO MOVE ON.

THE SEASON IS NOT GOING TO BE POSTPONED.

THE GAMES ARE GOING TO GO ON.

SO THEY'VE GOT TO MOVE ON.

>> FOLLOWUP POINT ITS STAR PLAYER ON THE TEAM SAID HE LEARNED ABOUT THIS ON TWITTER WHICH SIN CEDABLE.

I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK I LEARNED MORE FROM MATT BARNES, A FORMER NBA PLAYER AND NOW WITH ESPN THAN I HAVE WITH THE CELTICS, I AM SURE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THE VIDEO.

THIS IS BARNES THE DAY AFTER HE DEFENDED YOU DOCKO COMING BACK AND SAYING NOT SO FAST.

HERE IS HE THE SITUATION IN BOSTON IS DEEP, IT'S MESSY T IS A HUNDRED TIMES UGLY EAR.

I GOT A CALL FROM SOMEONE WHO HAD ALL THE DETAILS AND (/ BLEEP/ ) IS DEEP, SO, MAN, PRAYING FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

UHH Y'KNOW, HOPIN EVERYBODY GETS THROUGH THIS.

GARY S IT NOT FAIR TO SAY FLLS IT WAS REALLY BAD, MAYBE A HUNDRED TIMES WORSE THAN HE HAD THOUGHTS, THEY WOULDN'T BE SUSPENDING THE COACH FOR A WHOLE SEASON, WOULD THEY?

>> EXACTLY.

THIS COACH, UDOKA LEAD THEM TO THE NBA FINALS IN HIS FIRST SEASON.

HE HELD CHANGE THE ONCOURT CULTURE OF THE TEAM.

THE PLAYERS IMPROVED.

THE TEAM OBVIOUSLY IMPROVED.

THEY FINISHED 31-AND-10 AFTER HAVING A ROUGH START TO THE SEASON TO GET THE NUMBERS.

THEY REACHED THE FIRST NBA FINALS IN 12 YEARS.

LIKE ALL GOOD THINGS.

SO THEY'RE HEADING TOO THIS SEASON WITH SUPERHIGH EXPECTATIONS AND COACH COMING BACK FOR A SECRETARY YEAR, THE PLAYERS HEALTHY COMING OFF WHAT WAS A SUCCESSFUL SEASON.

SO THIS HAD TO BE WORSE CASE SCENARIO FOR THE FRANCHISE.

BELIEVE ME, THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO THIS.

THIS IS NOT SOMEONE WITH SOMEONE WITH AN AXE TO GRIND AGAINST COACH UDOKA.

THE ACTIONS HAD TO MEET THE PENALTY.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW LAUREN, THE THING THAT SURPRISED ME MOST ABOUT THIS, I THINK, AND IF I COULD RANK THE LEVEL OF SURPRISE, IS THE TERM CONSENSUAL BEING USED AROUND THIS RELATIONSHIP.

EVEN THOUGH NOBODY OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION HAS ANY IDEA WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COACH AND THE WOMAN WITH WHOM HE HAD THE RELATIONSHIP WAS.

I MEAN I MIGHT ARGUE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS APPROPRIATE F UDOKA IS HERE AND THE WOMAN IS HERE IN THE HIERARCHY, THAT IS ONE THING.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SAID THAT WELL, THEY DID UNFORTUNATELY, THAT MONICA LEWINSKY AND BILL CLINTON HAD A CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP.

AM I GOING OVERBOARD WITH THIS OR WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT?

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THAT SAY HUGE PART OF THIS.

IS THE POTENTIAL POWER DYNAMIC, RIGHT.

THERE IS ONE THING TO HAVE A WORKPLACE RELATIONSHIP.

AND CERTAINLY IT SEEMS LIKE THE CELTICS HAD SOME POLICIES AROUND THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDED POWER DYNAMIC AS WELL, THAT IS WHEN THE SITUATION BECOMES VERY MESSY.

AND AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THAT TERM CONSENSUAL WAS USED, AND WAS REPORTED INITIALLY.

FURTHER REPORTING HAS SUGGESTED THAT THERE WAS MORE TO THE STORY.

THAT THERE WERE SOME UNWANTED COMMENTS AND CERTAINLY WE WOULDN'T EXPECT TO SEE THIS LENGTHY OF A SUSPENSION FOR A CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP, POTENTIALLY EVEN WITH THE POWER DYNAMICS AT PLAY.

>> Braude: AND LAUREN IT SEEMS TO ME, YOU LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND I'M A LAYPERSON.

BUT WHILE I'M SURE THEY ARE NOT GOING DEFEND HOW THE CELTICS HAVE HANDLED THIS PUBLICLY, A YEAR-LONG SUSPENSION IS PRETTY INTENSE IN THE WORLD OF PROFESSIONAL SPORTS.

IS IT NOT?

>> YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WE'RE DEFINITELY STARTING TO SEE SPORT ORGANIZATIONS HOLD PEOPLE TO ACCOUNT MORE OFTEN.

BUT I THINK WHAT IS INTERESTING HERE IS USUALLY THAT'S AFTER IT HAS BEEN PUBLICLY EXPOSED AND THEY'RE FORCED TO RESPOND.

AND HERE THE CELTICS WERE COMING TO THAT CONCLUSION ON THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION THAT WAS GOING ON FOR, YOU KNOW, MONTHS BEFORE ANY OF US HEARD WIND OF THIS.

SO I I DO THINK THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CELTICS RESPONSE HERE THAT THIS WAS A DECISION THAT THEY MADE WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PUBLIC PRESSURE.

LIKE WE'VE SEEN OTHER SPORT ORGANIZATIONS NEED TO HAVE TO GET TO THAT POINT.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW GARY, I WAS ON THE RADIO DURING THE MEDIA DAY TODAY, SO WHEN I TURNED TO ONE OF MY COWORKERS IN THE NEWSROOM PREPARING TO TALK TO YOU TWO, I SAID DID ANYTHING HAPPEN AT THE MEDIA DAY THAT I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT.

ONE OF MY COWORKERS SAID WELL, THE INTERIM COACH RESPONDED TO CONCERNS ABOUT DOMESTIC ASSAULT THAT HE HAD ENGAGED IN WHEN HE WAS PLAYING FOR WEST VIRGINIA IN 2009 WHEN HE PUT HIS HANDS AROUND THE THROATS OF A WOMAN.

AND I TURNED TO THE WOMAN WHO SAID IT TO ME, I SAID OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BAD JOKE.

AND SHE SAID NO, IT'S NOT A BAD JOKE, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.

AND HE APOLOGIZED.

HE IS A DIFFERENT MAN.

THE CELTICS CHOSE TO REPLACE UDOKA ON AN INTERIM BASIS, A GUY ADMITTEDDEDLY YOUNGER, 21.

A GUY WHO HAS A DOMESTIC ASSAULT ON HIS RECORD?

REALLY?

>> UM, YEAH.

AND THE QUESTION-- I DO THINK, HOWEVER, COACH JOE MAZULLO HAS PROBABLY HAD TO EXPLAIN THE SITUATION A HUNDRED TIMES.

AND OBVIOUSLY HE CONVINCED THE CELTICS ENOUGH TO GET A JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE UNDER BRAD STEVENS THREE YEARS AGO AS ANNACIS TANS COACH UNDER BRAD STEVENS.

SO NOW HE'S GOT TO EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN.

AND I THINK, HE IS A MAN WHO SEEMS TO BE HAS FOUND FAME, HAS FOUND HIMSELF.

HE SAID TODAY THAT HE HAS A NEW IDENTITY.

YOU KNOW.

HE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS.

AND I GUESS YOU COULD ATTRIBUTE IT TO JUST, YOU KNOW, THE MISTAKES YOU MAKE WHILE YOU'RE IN COLLEGE.

I'M NOT EXCUSING THAT OR SAYING THAT IT IS THEIR RIGHT OR WRONG.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S COMPLETELY DONE A 180 SINCE THOSE TIMES AND HAS ASKED AND RECEIVED OBVIOUSLY FORGIVENESS.

>> Braude: AGAIN, THAT ALL MAY BE TRUE AND YOU KNOW THE SITUATION MUCH BETTER.

I'M NOT SURE IF I WERE RUNNING THE CELTICS AND THEY HAVEN'T ASKED ME TO DO IT, THAT THAT IS THE CHOICE I WOULD MAKE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

YOU KNOW, I'M SURE LAUREN YOU SAW THE OTHER DAY BRAD STEVENS, OBVIOUSLY THE FORMER COACH, PRESIDENT OF THE TEAM NOW, GOT EMOTIONAL.

I'M TOLD HE IS NOT A VERY EMOTIONAL KIND OF GUY WHEN HE WAS DESCRIBING THE, AS I DESCRIBED IT A MINUTE AGO, THE TREATMENT OF WOMEN STAFF PEOPLE ON THE CELTICS.

IF YOU DIDN'T SEE IT, HERE IS BRAD STEVENS THE OTHER DAY.

>> WE HAVE A LOT OF TALENTED WOMEN IN OUR ORGANIZATION AND I THOUGHT YESTERDAY WAS REALLY HARD ON THEM AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW NOBODY CAN CONTROL TWITTER SPECULATION AND RAMPANT BULL-- BUT DO I THINK THAT WE AS AN ORGANIZATION HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SUPPORT THEM NOW BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE DRAGGED UNFAIRLY INTO THAT.

>> Braude: A LOT OF PEOPLE, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHOM I RESPECT WHOSE ACCOUNTS THAT I READ, LAUREN, SUGGESTED THAT IF THE CELTICS WERE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE WOMEN THEY WOULD HAVE ACTED EARLIER TO INSULATE THEM FROM SOME OF THIS SADISM FROM PEOPLE IN THEIR MOTHER'S BASEMENT.

AND WHILE I NODDED IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT WHILE I READ IT, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE DONE?

THEY OBVIOUSLY COULDN'T SAY OH, BY THE WAY, LET ME LET YOU KNOW IT'S NOT JANE DOE OR ALLISON DOE.

WHAT SHOULD THE CELTICS HAVE DONE IN AN ATTEMPT TO AT LEAST MUTE THAT BEHAVIOR DIRECTED AT THESE WOMEN?

>> I AGREE.

I THINK THAT ANY SORT OF IDENTIFYING WHO IT WAS AND AUTOMATICALLY BY DEFAULT WOULD IDENTIFY WHO IT IS.

AND THEY ARE CLEARLY TRYING TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF THE WOMAN INVOLVED HERE.

I THINK PERHAPS BEING MORE UP FRONT WITH WHAT THE ALLEGATIONS WERE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WAS DRIVING A LOT OF THE SPECULATION AND A LOT OF THE THROWING OF THESE WOMEN UNDER THE BUS WAS THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WERE BLAMING THE WOMEN BECAUSE THIS WAS A CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP AS IT WAS BEING REPORTED.

AND SO THERE WAS THIS BLAMING OF WOMEN.

ONE THING THAT WOMEN FACE IN WORKING IN SPORTS THAT I FOUND IN MY RESEARCH IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THEY ARE WORKING IN SPORTS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SLEEP WITH THE PLAYERS OR IN THIS CASE A COACH.

AND THAT IS NOT TRUE.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO FACE IN THEIR WORKPLACE.

AND NOW THEY WERE HAVING TO FACE IT ON TWITTER OUT IN THE OPEN IN PUBLIC.

AND IT WAS REALLY HORRIFIC FOR ALL OF THEM.

>> Braude: GARY, YOU MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO THAT ONE OF THE REASON THASES THE CELTICS COULDN'T PROVIDE MORE DETAILS WAS BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

AND THAT SORT OF THING.

WHAT I DON'T-- OBVIOUSLY THEY SHOULD NEVER DISCLOSE THE NAME OF THE WOMAN WITHOUT HER CONSENT IF SHE WANTS TO GO PUBLIC, THAT'S HER RIGHT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND ITEM CELTICS COULDN'T HAVE DESCRIBED MUCH MORE ABOUT THIS, NOT INCLUDED THE WOMAN'S NAME, NOT INCLUDING ANY SCRIPTERS THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED SOMEONE TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE WOMAN WAS.

IT SEEMS TO ME THEY'RE USING THIS PRIVACY THING SORT OF AS A SHIELD TO SHOW THEY'RE HIGH MINDED WHEN IN ESSENCE THEY'RE JUST A CEMENTING-- A TEMENTING TO USE IT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE ANY MORE INFORMATION.

>> I ALSO THINK THAT THEY WANT TO AVOID LAWSUITS.

>> PROBABLY RIGHT.

>> THEY DON'T WANT-- BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I ASKED ON FRIDAY WHETHER THERE WAS EVER GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF PENALTY OR ANY TYPE OF REPRIMAND FOR THE WOMAN INVOLVED OR ANY ONE ELSE BESIDES COACH UDOKA, WAS TOLD NO.

nd I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE ONE, IF IT IS A SUBORDINATE OF COACH UDOKA, WHICH IT IS, SHE CAN CLAIM THAT SHE WAS PRESSURED.

AND SHE CAN CLAIM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS TRUE OR NOT, AND I'M NOT ONE TO SAY IT IS NOT TRUE, BUT SHE CAN CLAIM IN ANY SITUATION THAT SHE WAS PRESSURED INTO THIS SITUATION.

SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH HER.

AND IT'S NOT, ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT NOT BE-- IT MIGHT BE TACKY OR TASTELESS TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A SUBORDINATE OR SORRY, YOUR SUPERIOR, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE SLEEPING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS THEIR BOSS OR SUPERIOR.

ST NOT A FIREABLE OFFENSE.

SO THERE IS NOTHING THAT THEY CAN DO.

THEY WANT TO AVOID ANY LAWSUITS.

BECAUSE WHO KNOWS IF THE CELTICS ORGANIZATION IS A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT AS A WHOLE.

THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO AVOID.

THEY WANT THIS-- THEY'RE PRAYING THIS SAY ONE-OFF, THAT THIS IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, THAT IT IS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR WOMEN.

THAT WOMEN ARE NOT INTIMIDATEDDED BY MALE SUPERIORS FOR RELATIONSHIPS OR WHATEVER ELSE GOES BE O.

THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SAFE.

I THINK THEY ARE DOING THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

THEY DON'T WANT ANY TROUBLE-- THEY DON'T WANT A LAWSUIT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GET SUED.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INCLUDED IN ANYTHING.

THAT IS WHY I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN SO PROTECTIVE OF ANY INFORMATION.

>> Braude: BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU SAY, NOT TO SAY TACKY OR TASTELESS, DEPENDING ON WHO THE INDIVIDUAL IS, IS IT POSSIBLE THE ONLY REASON SHE PARTICIPATED IN THIS IS BECAUSE HE'S THE BOSS.

I MEAN WHICH IS THE WHOLE REASON THESE POLICIES EXIST.

LAUREN, I ONLY HAVE 30 SECONDS, AM I TRYING TO SQUEEZE SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF THIS WHERE THERE IS NO GOOD WHEN I SAY THE ONE PLUS IT SEEMS TO ME IS THAT ULTIMATELY THE PENALTY WAS SO SEVERE IN MY ESTIMATION THAT MAYBE THAT MAY SEND A WARNING SHOT ACROSS THE BOWS OF OTHER PEOPLE IN HIGH POSITIONS IN SPORTS.

IS THAT NAIVE?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IS NOT NAIVE, WE SEE ONE OFF SITUATIONS WHERE WE SEE THIS RESPONSE AND IT HAPPENS AGAIN A YEAR LATE WITH ANOTHER TEAM.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE ENOUGH HOPE IT S APPRECIATE THE TIME, BOTH OF YOU, THANKS SO MUCH.

WE ARE ALMOST HALFWAY THROUGH NATIONAL HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, AND WHILE THERE IS MUCH TO CELEBRATE, THERE IS A LOT ON THE LINE FOR LATINOS, TOO.

POLITICIANS USING MIGRANTS- MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, AS POLITICAL STUNTS.

A BALLOT QUESTION THAT COULD TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY FOR EVERYONE TO APPLY FOR A DRIVER'S LICENSE IN MASSACHUSETTS, REGARDLESS OF LEGAL STATUS, AND CONTINUED MASSIVE GAPS IN REPRESENTATION, WEALTH, AND OPPORTUNITY.

THIS IS ALL AGAINST THE DEMOGRAPHIC BACKDROP OF NEARLY ACTUALLY MORE THAN HALF OF THE GROWTH IN THE UNITED STATES POPULATION SINCE 2010 BEING COMPRISED OF LATINOS.

AND SINCE 1980, NEARLY 100% OF THE POPULATION GROWTH IN BOSTON.

NEARLY 100%.

I'M JOINED BY ALBERTO VASALLO PRESIDENT AND C.E.O.

OF "EL MUNDO" BOSTON, AND STATE REPRESENTATIVE JON SANTIAGO, WHO'S A MEMBER OF THE MASSACHUSETTS BLACK AND LATINO LEGISLATIVE CAUCUS.

ALBERTO, REPRESENTATIVE, GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.

>> HI THERE, NICE TO BE HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: ALBERTO, WHAT SHOULD WE BE CELEBRATING THIS MONTH?

>> A LOT, THERE IS A LOT TO BE CELEBRATING ASIDE FROM WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT.

OBVIOUSLY IN THE LAST ELECTION DATE, IT USED TO BE THE SCARIEST NIGHT OF THE YEAR FOR LATINO CANDIDATES.

NOW IT'S NOT LIKE THAT ANY MORE.

SO YEAH, ON THE REPRESENTATION SIDE, ON THE POLITICAL SIDE, A LOT OF THE UPSIDE.

THINGS WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR DECADES.

SO LONG TIME COMING.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVE, THE OTHER DAY MARCELLA GARCIA FROM THE GLOBE WAS ON THE SHOW AND SHE HAD JUST WRITTEN A STORY ABOUT THE NUMBER OF LATINOS IN THE LEGISLATURE IS ABOUT TO PRACTICALLY DOUBLE FROM I THINK 7 TO 13, SHE TALKED ABOUT.

WHAT IS THE REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCE OF SUCH AN INCREASE?

>> I THINK AS ALBERTO SAID, WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND THIS HAS BEEN THE RESULT OF A LOTOF HARD WORKPEOPLE HAVE DONE ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH, NOT JUST THE ACTIVISTS.

THE COMMON VOTER BUT ALSO FROM THE LEGISLATURE.

MAKE NO MISTAKE, WE CREATE 16 NEW MAJORITY, MINORITY DISTRICT THIS PAST GO AROUND.

AS A RESULT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PUT MORE LATINO FOLKS IN OFFICE.

NOW WE DO HAVE A GROWING ELECTORATE.

THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE INCREASING BUT THE LATINO COMMUNITY IN BOSTON AND COMMONWEALTH IS ORGANIZATIONING AND AS A RESULT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN OFFICE TO FIGHT THOR THEIR VALUES ON ISSUES YOU CARE ABOUT.

YOU BROUGHT UP A COUPLE ISSUES, WHETHER ST IMGRAITIONZ, WHAT HAPPENS POST COVID, ECONOMIC JUSTICE, EDUCATIONAL JUSTICE, THESE ARE ISSUES WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR.

>> IN TERMS OF POLITICAL POWER, ALBERTO, THE GOVERNOR WAS IN OUR STUDIO TODAY WHEN I MENTIONED ON THE AIR THAT YOU TWO WOULD BE HERE.

AND RIGHT AFTER WE WENT OFF THE AIR, HE MENTIONED A STATISTIC THAT YOU COMMUNICATED TO HIM AT ONE POINT.

SHARE THAT WITH THE AUDIENCE WHAT YOU SENT TO GOVERNOR BAKER, IF YOU WOULD.

>> YEAH, HE LOVED THAT STATISTIC.

AND I TOLD HIM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, GOV, EVERY 30 SCEKDS SO BY THE TIME THAT I FINISH TELLING YOU, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

EVERY 30 SECONDS IN THE UNITED STATES, A LATINO TURNS 18 AND A NONLATINO RETIRES FROM THE WORKFORCE.

SO THERE SAN AGING POPULATION BEING REPLACED BY ONE THAT IS BECOMING OF AGE TO VOTE EVERY 30 SECONDS IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND THAT TREND IS PROJECTED TO GO ON FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

>> Braude: SO OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBERS WE TALKED ABOUT, REPRESENTATIVE, ARE GOING TO INCREASE.

BUT SPEAKING OF NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF ATTENTION, INCLUDING ON THIS SHOW TO TWO NUMBERS IN A 2015 FEDERAL RESERVE STUDY, VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY WATCHING THIS SHOW HAS MEMORIZED THEM, 247,000 OF WEALTH FOR WHITE FAMILY IN BOSTON IN THIS AREA.

AND ONLY $8 FOR A BLACK FAMILY.

BUT ALMOST NEVER DO WE KEEP GOING AND SAY IN THAT SAME STUDY PUERTO RICAN FAMILIES, ONLY $3,000.

THAT IS NOT A TYPO AT THE BOTTOM.

DOMINICAN FAMILIES, 0.

WHAT IS THE-- HOW DO WE GET FROM HERE TO A PLACE WHERE THOSE KINDS OF NUMBERS FOR FAMILIES OF COLOR ARE NOT AS EMBARRASSING AS THEY ARE THERE?

>> WELL STRKS JUST A LACK OF INTERRACIAL INVESTMENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WHEN THOSE NUMBERS ARE QUOTED THEY OFTEN LEAD US TO-- I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.

THE LATINO GROUP IN MASSACHUSETTS ISN'T A-- THAT GRAPHIC YOU HAD, YOU HAD 2K078 INCAN, PUERTO RICANS BUT THE COMMUNITY ACROSS BOSTON, ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH IS VERY DIVERSE, YOU HAVE FOLKS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA, MEXICO, GROWING ACROSS THE COMOL COMMONWEALTH STVMENT IMPORTANT THAT WE TREAT THIS NOT LIKE A MONOLITH BUT AS A DIVERSE AYE COMMUNITY AS IT IS.

>> Braude: IT SEEMS TO ME, ALBERTO, THAT ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE THE WORK HAS GOT TO BE DONE TO ENSURE THAT NUMBERS LIKE THAT DON'T HOLD, AND SOME OF THE OTHER UNLEVEL PLAYING FIELD SITUATIONS DON'T HOLD IS EDUCATION EQUITY HAS, I ASSUME HAS GOT TO BE AT THE ABSOLUTE TOP OF THE LIST.

WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR THERE, ARE WE?

>> NO, BUT HERE IS THE THING THOUGH THAT PEOPLE FORGET.

WHEN YOU THROW OUT A STATISTIC LIKE, THAT I ALWAYS SAY WELL, THE WHITE POPULATION HAS GOT GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS OF HEAD START ON US, RIGHT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF NEWCOMERS.

MY GENERATION, I WAS BORN IN BOSTON.

SO IT IS THE ONES COMING AFTER ME, WE DO THIS EVENT CALLED LATINO 30 UNDER 30 AND THE YOUNG, WELL, I CALL THEM KIDS NOW BUT THEY ARE IN THEIR 20S COMING DOWN THE PIPE, THAT ARE THE FUTURE LEADERS OF AMERICA WILL ABSOLUTELY CHANGE THAT STATISTIC.

I HEARD THE OTHER DAY THAT THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER DEMOGRAPHIC IS GOING TO BE THE UPSCALE LATINO.

AND THOSE ARE UNDER 30, COLLEGE GRADUATES, COMPLETELY BILINGUAL, BY CULTURAL.

THOSE NUMBERS I WILL SEE ON THE LATINO SIDE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OUR GROUPS, ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO CHANGE IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

GUARANTEED.

>> Braude: YOU KNEE, REPRESENTATIVE, I STARTED, I INTRODUCED THE TWO OF YOU BY TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN HUGE NATIONAL HEADLINES AND WILL BE HUGE HEADLINES HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

THE NATIONAL HEADLINES WHICH OBVIOUSLY STARTED HERE, IS THE CRUELTY OF GOVERNOR DESANTIS AND WHAT HAPPENED AND THE WARMTH WITH WHICH THOSE VENEZUELAN MIGRANTS MIGRANTS WERE GREETED.

AND THEN IN MASSACHUSETTS WE'RE COMING UP UPON QUESTION FOUR WHICH WILL BE AN ATTEMPT TO REPEAL WHAT YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE LEGISLATURE DID NAMELY ALLOWED UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS IN THE STATE TO GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE SO THEY CAN GO TO WORK.

SO THEY CAN TAKE THEIR KIDS TO A DOCTOR.

THAT SORT OF THING.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE ON ONE HAND I SAY TO MYSELF THEY HELP POISON THE WELL AND FEED THE RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I SAY LOOK AT THE GOOD THAT CAME OUT OF PEOPLE IN THIS STATE TREATING OTHER PEOPLE IN NEED LIKE I WOULD WANT TO BE TREATED IN THOSE KINDS OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

LOOK AT THE POLL NUMBERS ON THE UNDOCUMENTED DRIVER'S LICENSE THING WHICH SHOWS THE PEOPLE OF MASSACHUSETTS IN MY ESTIMATION HAVE THEIR PRIORITIES RIGHT.

WHERE DO YOU SEE THOSE TRIEMENTS OF OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS PLAYING OUT IN TERMS OF OUR RELATIONSHIP?

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT, JIM, I WAS THERE ACTUALLY THE NEXT DAY.

>> Braude: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

>> AND I WENT THERE FRIDAY MORNING TO HELP OUT IN THE EMERGENCY SETTING WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THE POTENTIAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT MAY HAVE ARISEN AND THE I SPEAK SPANISH.

CAN I TELL YOU WITH THE 40, 50 PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE, THEY ARE HARDWORKING PEOPLE WHO ONLY WANT A SHOT AT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR LIVINGS.

THEY CAME HERE WITH A LOT OF HOPE.

A LOT OF DESIRE TO GIVE BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

TO THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS OR WHEREVER THEY MAY, AND THIS IS A STORY I'M SEEING ALL ACROSS BOSTON, "GREATER BOSTON," YOU HAVE LATINO FOLKS, UNDOCUMENTED, DOCUMENTED THAT WANT TO GIVE BACK FOR CHANGE AND WANT TO DO THE WORK HERE.

THEY JUST WANT A SHOT.

SO WHEN IF COMES TO THE QUESTION BEFORE AS YOU STATED, IT SAN IMPORTANT ONE.

WE IN THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT.

YOU HAVE TO OVERRIDE THE GOVERNOR, I THINK AT LEAST ONCE, MAYBE TWICE TO DO THAT WITH OVERWHELMINGLY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE.

I'M HOPE TFL WILL PASS AND BE YES ON FOUR WHEN IT GETS TO THE BALLOT BOX.

MAKE NO MISTAKE THE HOUSE LEADERSHIP HAS MADE IT CLEAR WE WANT TO SUPPORT THIS, AND I'M HOPEFUL WE CAN GET FOLKS ON BOARD TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A RESOUNDING YES ON 4 WHEN IT COMES TO THE BALLOT.

>> Braude: ALBERTO, STAYING ON THE SAME THING FOR A SECOND.

PART OF THE NATIONAL DIALOGUES OBJECTIFIES IMMIGRANTS.

AND IT IS SORT OF THOSE PEOPLE KIND OF THING.

AND I THINK IF THERE IS ANY GOOD TO COME OUT OF THE STORY THAT REPRESENTATIVE AND PRI JUST TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT I THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO ONLY SEES WHAT FOX NEWS FEEDS THEM GETS TO SEE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS ESSENTIALLY EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT, DON'T YOU THINK?

>> YEAH, WELL A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE.

ONE IS QUALITY, WHO IS COMING OVER, RIGHT.

I THINK JOHN DESCRIBED PRETTY EL QUENLTLY THE TYPE OF PEOPLE BUT I DON'T THINK SO MUCH FROM THE MODERATE SIDE BECAUSE YOU GET T YOU ALSO GET SOME FROM LATEDINOS WHO ARE HERE SAYING YEAH, THESE THE UNITED STATES OURSELVES.

ARE YOU GETTING 8,000 PEOPLE AT THE BORDER EVERY SINGLE DAY, THEY COULD E THE BEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

WE HAVE A BROKEN IMMIGRATION BROB.

AND NO DEMOCRAT HAS WANTED TO TACKLE IT.

NO REPUBLICAN HAS-- OR THE WAY THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO TACKLE IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE RIGHT WAY EITHER.

BUT THE LARGER QUESTION IS, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH THIS IF WE DON'T FIX THIS SYSTEM.

IF THEY CAN'T DO IT, THIS IS-- THE STATE CAN'T DO T THIS IS A FEDERAL PROBLEM, THE CAN HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FROM OBAMA ALL THE WAY DOWN.

THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO NOW, IT IS TIME TO REALIZE THAT THIS PROBLEM HAS GOT TO BE ADDRESSED.

IT HAS GOT TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO OR WE ARE JUST GOING TO BE HERE ARGUING ALL THE TIME WHARVETION TO DO WITH THESE FOLKS, YEAH, THEY ARE GREAT HARDWORKING PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM.

>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING.

>> Braude: PLEASE.

>> IT ALSO JUST, NOT ONLY SHOOTION OF IM GRAITIONZ, WE HAVE MILLIONS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS LIVING ON THE ISLAND-OF-PUERTO RICO RIGHT NOW WITH JUST HURRICANE FIONA WENT THERE AND DESTROYED AN ENTIRE IRELAND.

AND INSCULT TO INJURY, AN ISLAND DEVASTATE BID HURRICANE MARIA, BY ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, SO WE HAVE AMERICAN CITIZENS, NOT SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THEIR CITIZENSHIP ISSUE BUT ARE IN NEED OF WATER, ELECTRICITY AND SOCIAL SERVICES.

WITHOUT A DOUBT MANY OF THOSE FOLKS WERE TO COME TO THE COMMONWEALTH AND LOOK FOR SERVICES, WE SAW A BIG IMMIGRATION PUSH WHEN THEY CAME AFTER HURRICANE MARIA.

AND SO IT IS IMPORTANT WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DIVERSITY OF THE LATINO COMMUNITY.

WE ARE NOT A MONO LITH.

DIFFERENT ISSUES, DIFFERENT CONCERNS BUT ON THE WHOLE FOARK FOLKS ARE HARDWORKING, CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY, WANT TO BE HERE AND GIVE BACK.

>> Braude: BUT REPRESENTATIVE, JUST I WAS TALKING TO MAYOR CRUZ, THE DPORMER FAIR OF SAN JAWN HERE THE OTHER NIGHT WHO MINUTES NOD WORDS WHEN IT CAME TO DONALD TRUMP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND HE IS FLIPPING PAPER TOWELS OUT TO THE CROWD.

IT WAS QUITE CLEAR TO ME THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAD NO IDEA THAT PEOPLE LIVED IN PUERTO RICO WERE SUSTAINS OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND I AM GUESSING THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HERE ARE IN THE COUNTRY ARE PROBABLY IN THE SAME SPOT, DON'T YOU THINK?

>> WELL, I WOULD AGREE.

AND PART OF THAT AS OUR ROLE HERE, IN THE MEDIA AND ELECTED OFFICIALS, TO UPLIFT AND EDUCATION FOLKS ABOUT THE VALUE THAT THEY BRING.

AND IT IS NOT JUST WITH RESPECT TO CERTAIN CULTURAL INTERESTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.

BUT THEY ARE SOME HARDWORKING FOLKS AND IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC OUTPUT THAT THEY PROVIDE TO BOSTON AND THE COMMONWEALTH, IT SAY TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.

AND AS ALBERTO SAID, THE DEMOGRAPHICS WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND ELEVATE THE SPANISH AND LATINO COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE BOARD STVMENT IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE THEM, INCLUDE THEM AND PROVIDE SERVICES AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE ENGAGED AND A PART OF OUR SOCIETY.

>> Braude: WE ONLY HAVE A MINUTE LEFT, GENTLEMEN, ALBERTO, STARTING WITH YOU.

YOU'RE RIGHT, IMMIGRATION CAN ONLY BE FIXED ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT CAN BE DONE ON THE STATE LEVEL TO CREATE A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD?

>> I DO BELIEVE THAT THE UNDOCUMENTED THEME TO DRIVE IS AN IMPORTANT ONE T AFFECTS FAMILIES, PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO GO TO THEIR WORK AND DO THEIR JOB.

THESE ARE HARDWORKING PEOPLE, MANY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND THEIR LIVELY HOORD DE PEPPEDS ON BEING ABLE TO BE IN THE ECONOMY.

I THINK ST THE RIGHT THING TO DO I TOLD LOOK AT OTHER STAIRKTS THE SKY HASN'T FALLSEN, LOOK AT STATES THAT HAVE DONE T IT WILL BE A HUGE POSITIVE MOVE.

>> Braude: 15 SECONDS JON SANTIAGO, WHO ELSE BEYOND CAN YOU DO.

>> I AM LOOKING FOR MORE DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION PARTICULARLY WITH WHAT IS HAPPEN NGHT CURRENT ELECTION, MAKE SURE THEY ARE ENGAGING, THAT THEY ARE WORKING, LISTENING TO LATINO COMMUNITIES AND AS SOMEONE WHO ENDORSED-- FOR GOVERNOR, THOSE CAMPAIGNS ARE DOING THE WORK AND I'M TRYING TO SUPPORT THEM.

>> Braude: ALBERTO VASALLO, JON SANTIAGO, THANKS.

IS THAT'S IT FOR TORNGHTS WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW, THANKS FOR WATCHING AND PLEASE DON'T FORGET UKRAINE.