>>> HELLO EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO "AMANPOUR & CO." HERE IS WHAT IS COMING UP.

>> TO ME, THE FACT I AM A WOMAN IS THERE, BUT INCIDENTAL.

IP >> SENATOR DIANNE FEINSTEIN, DEAD AT 90 YEARS OLD.

WE LOOK AT THE LEGACY OF THE LONGEST RUNNING U.S.

FEMALE IN THE SENATE.

>> A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, WE GET THE LATEST ON THE SEPARATIST ENCLAVE WHICH WILL SOON CEASE TO EXIST.

>> WE ARE HOLDING OUT FOR OURSELVES AND EVAN.

>> A PARENTS' HEARTBREAK FOR THEIR SON'S DETAIN.

>> I THINK FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR US TO GO FASTER AND FASTER COLLECTIVELY.

>> ALI ZAIDI TELLS TRENT REFIX MARTIN HOW TO TURN THE CLIMATE CRISIS INTO OPPORTUNITY.

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>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM EVERYONE.

I AM SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

>> I WILL.

THANK YOU.

>> AND SO BEGAN THE SENATE CAREER OF DIANNE FEINSTEIN, THE LONGEST-SERVING FEMALE EVER TO SERVE THERE.

THE 30 YEAR TENURE HAS COME TO AN END.

SENATOR DIANNE FEINSTEIN HAS DIED AT THE AGE OF 90.

SHE CAME TO NATIONAL PROMINENCE BEFORE TAKING HER SENATE SEAT, BECOMING THE FIRST FEMALE MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO IN 1978, FOLLOWING THE SHOOTING ASSASSINATION OF GEORGE MOSCONE AND HARVEY MILK.

SHE LATER WON IN WASHINGTON WHERE SHE WORKED TIRELESSLY FOR GUN LAWS.

>> EVERYBODY SAYS I DO NOT KNOW, PAT.

LET ME TELL YOU, I HAVE SEEN ASSASSINATION, KILLING, I HAVE BEEN A MAYOR AND KNOW WHAT GUNS CAN DO.

WHY IS IT EVERY MAN COMES BEFORE ME AND SAYS, NICE LADY.

YOU DON'T KNOW.

>> BY THE TIME FEINSTEIN WAS ELECTED IN 2018, SHE WAS THE OLDEST SITTING U.S.

SENATOR.

HER HEALTH MAY SUBJECT OF CONTROVERSY LATELY WHILE SOME CALLED ON HER RESIGN.

SHE KEPT GOING.

WE WILL NOW TURN TO TWO WOMEN WHO KNEW HER WELL.

PATTY MURRAY AND JANE HARMAN.

WELCOME BOTH OF YOU.

I AM SO SORRY FOR THE LOSS OF YOUR FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE.

SHE WAS A MENTOR FOR SO MANY THERE IN WASHINGTON.

CONGRESSWOMAN, YOU WERE JUST WITH HER YESTERDAY AND SHE SUBMITTED HER LAST VOTE.

HOW ARE YOU FEELING TODAY?

>> I AM SO SAD.

BY THE WAY, PATTY, I SAW YOUR FAREWELL ON THE SENATE FLOOR, IT WAS MAGNIFICENT.

YESTERDAY I WENT BY TO SEE HER, I JUST HAPPENED TO WANT TO SEE HER IN AT 5:00 I WAS IN HER STUDY WITH NOBODY ELSE, TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE.

LET'S UNDERSTAND, SHE IS BEEN PORTRAYED AS SOMEONE FRAIL AND NOT WITH IT.

LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, LESS THAN 24 HOURS AGO.

AND MY FRIEND DIANNE FEINSTEIN FIRST OF ALL, TRY TO GET ME TO RUN FOR CONGRESS AGAIN.

NOPE.

BUT SAID WHAT WILL WE DO TO PULL THE COUNTRY TOGETHER?

THAT IS WHAT SHE WAS SAYING YESTERDAY AND THINKING YESTERDAY AND ALWAYS THOUGHT.

WHEN SHE WAS A U.S.

SENATOR AND A MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO.

WHICH IS WHEN I MET HER.

WE WERE IN THE SAME YEAR, THE YEAR OF THE WOMAN.

I CAME TO THE HOUSE AND SHE TO THE SENATE.

WE WERE BOTH IN VERY FRAGILE SEATS POLITICALLY.

BUT I WAS SO PROUD TO VOTE FOR THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN, IN 1994.

REELECTION.

BUT WOW, WHAT A LEADER AND ICON.

>> INDEED.

SENATOR, YOU BOTH CAME TO THE SENATE TOGETHER AS WELL.

TALK ABOUT WHO SHE WAS AND WHAT SHE MEANT FOR YOU AS A COLLEAGUE AND SOMEBODY WHO I WOULD IMAGINE YOU ADMIRED QUITE A LOT.

>> WELL, I DID.

AND I FEEL VERY HEAVY HEARTED TODAY TOO.

AS JANE DESCRIBED SHE WAS A WOMAN OF FORCE AND SHE BROUGHT PEOPLE WITH HER.

AND WE LISTENED TO HER.

SHE DID HER HOMEWORK, SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, AND SHE DID NOT FLAIL, SHE DID NEVER ACT OUT OF FEAR.

SHE WORKED OUT OF LOVE OF HER COUNTRY.

JANE, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT YOU WERE JUST WITH HER.

SHE NOTED JUST YESTERDAY.

MY ONE REGRET WAS I DID NOT GIVE HER A HUG AS SHE WALKED UP THE DOOR.

WE ALL KNOW THAT SHE SPENT EVERY DAY MAKING SURE THAT SHE WAS TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE WHO ELECTED HER IN HER STATE.

SHE CARED ABOUT THEM DEEPLY, SHE CARED ABOUT LITTLE ISSUES AND BIG ISSUES AND SHE CARED ABOUT EVERY PERSON SHE MET.

SHE WAS SO GENEROUS WITH HER TIME, WITH HERSELF, AND SHE WILL BE MISSED.

SHE IS WHO EVERY SENATOR SHOULD EMULATE AND HOW THEY ACT WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY OF THOSE THEY WORK WITH AND THOSE THEY ARE AROUND.

>> A TRUE CENTRIST.

WE USE THE TERM TRAILBLAZER A LOT BUT SHE TRULY WAS A TRAILBLAZER.

THE FIRST OF MANY, THE FIRST FEMALE MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO, THE FIRST TWO REPRESENT CALIFORNIA, LEADING THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

CONGRESSWOMAN, TALK ABOUT , HER INFLUENCE WAS VAST BUT BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS.

THIS WAS PERSONAL TO HER.

IRONICALLY ENOUGH IT LAUNCHED HER CAREER INTO POLITICS, INTO THE SENATE.

BY WITNESSING AN ASSASSINATION.

WE PLAYED A CLIP OF THAT EARLIER WHERE SHE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THIS ON HER FOR YEARS.

CAN YOU SPEAK OF THAT?

>> YES I CAN.

I WAS NOT THERE DURING THE ASSASSINATIONS IN SAN FRANCISCO.

BUT I THINK SHE TOLD ME SHE PUT HER FINGER IN ME BULLET HOLE OF MUSK ONIE'S NECK TO STOP THE BLEEDING.

SHE WAS THAT CLOSE TO IT.

THOSE AWFUL THINGS PREPARED HERE TO BECOME MAYOR.

THAT IS WHEN I MET HER, HER CHIEF OF STAFF WAS -- INTRODUCED ME AND THERE SHE WAS WITH HER SILK SCARF AND LITTLE BOW, THAT WAS HER TRADEMARK BACK IN THE DAY.

SHE WAS A FORCE THEN, PATTY IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

SHE KNEW HOW TO GET PEOPLE TO FOLLOW HER AND IN THE POLITICAL OFFICERS OFFICES SHE HELD, SHE WOULD FIND NOT JUST THE CENTER BUT A WAY TO SERVE FORWARD IN NOT JUST THE CITY BUT THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY.

YESTERDAY AND THE MEETING IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE WAY FORWARD.

SHE SAID YOU AND I NEED TO PULL TOGETHER SOME DINNERS FOR WOMEN IN WASHINGTON.

BECAUSE WOMEN CAN FIGURE THIS OUT MORE EASILY.

WE KNOW THIS.

>> SO DOES NOT SURPRISE ME.

>> I WANT TO HAVE DINNERS GOING FORWARD AND REMEMBER HER AND HAVE THEM BE BIPARTISAN AND HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME TO THEM, PEOPLE THAT PUT THE COUNTRY FIRST.

THERE ARE A LOT OF US BY THE WAY.

IS TOO BAD THAT THESE TWO DAYS ARE NOT SHOWCASING THE BEST OF CONGRESS.

MAYBE HER DEATH WILL PROMPT THAT.

I THINK THERE IS 48 HOURS TO GO IN THE SENATE IS AWAY AHEAD OF MY FORMER EMPLOYER, THE HOUSE.

>> THAT WOULD BE THE BEST TRIBUTE THAT SHE WOULD LOVE.

I WOULD CHARACTERIZE HER, CENTRIST IS SORT OF THE WORD BUT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE HER AS A PROBLEM SOLVER.

WHAT DO YOU NEED?

WHAT DO WE NEED?

HOW DO WE GET TO THE BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE?

THAT IS ALWAYS HER GOAL WITH HER OWN VALUES IN MIND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

>> I WISH THERE WAS A PICTURE I COULD HAVE PUT UP JUST TALKING ABOUT PROBLEM SOLVING, WOMEN WITH -- WOMEN ACROSS THE AISLE.

THERE IS A PICTURE OF HER WITH LISA, YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING AND SOLVING PROBLEMS.

WHICH IS WHAT THEIR CONSTITUENTS SEND THEM TO WASHINGTON TO DO.

WHAT SHE WAS NOTING , NOTED FOR WAS NOT JUST TOWING THE PARTY LINE, BUT ALSO JUST PUSHING BACK AGAINST TO.

I AM TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE WAS DOING FOLLOWING THAT SIX-YEAR INVESTIGATION, INTO THE DETENTION PROGRAM.

WHICH SHE ULTIMATELY TOOK HEAT FROM NOT JUST FROM THE CIA AND REPUBLICANS BUT DEMOCRATS AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TOO.

>> IF I MAY COMMENT.

I JOINED THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IN 1997 AND HAD AN INTERRUPTION IN SERVICE FOR TWO YEARS BECAUSE I RAN FOR GOVERNOR WHEN SHE DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE AND I LOST.

THAT I CAME BACK TO THE HOUSE IN 2000 AND BEGIN RANKING MEMBER OF HOUSE INTEL.

BEFORE SHE JOINED SENATE INTEL WE HAD A CONVERSATION THEN AT HER REQUEST OF WHAT SHE SHOULD THINK ABOUT AND LOOK FOR.

SHE BECAME THE ROCK STAR OF THIS, FEARLESS AS PATTY SAYS.

THIS IS THE GALLEY OF REPORT THAT WAS ISSUED BY DEMOCRATS ONLY, SADLY, OF THE INVESTIGATION IN DETENTION AND INTERROGATION BY THE HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE.

THE INSCRIPTION TO ME, WHICH I AM PROUD OF, TO JANE, WITH LOVE AND THANKS FOR HAVING MY BACK, NEVER AGAIN.

THAT IS WHY SHE RELEASED THE REPORT.

IT SHOWED SADLY SHORTLY AFTER 9/11 THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WENT ROGUE AND DID A BUNCH OF THINGS OUTSIDE THE CONTOURS OF THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT, OUTSIDE OF THE JIMA GENEVA CONVENTIONS.

WHEN THIS WAS DISCOVERED SHE MADE A HUGE INVESTIGATION TO SHOW WHAT WENT WRONG.

IT WAS CRITICIZED ON A PARTISAN BASIS, I THINK.

IS NOW WIDELY ADMIRED AND HER FEARLESSNESS FOR GUNS, AGAINST GUNS, FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING IS A COMMITTEE CHAIR HAS TO BE PART OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY LEGACY.

SHE WAS, IS AND I COME.

I WAS SO PRIVILEGED TO HUG AND KISS HER LAST NIGHT AND TELL HER I LOVED HER.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE SHOULD ALSO SAY SHE WAS A CHAMPION OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

WHEN WE CAME HERE TOGETHER IN 1992 WOMEN DID NOT TALK ABOUT THOSE RIGHTS LIKE THEY DO TODAY.

IT WAS MORE OF HIDDEN BEHIND THE SCENES TOPIC USED KIND OF LIKE DO WE TALK ABOUT THIS?

DIANNE HAD NO QUALMS TO STAND UP FOR WOMEN AND WOMEN'S RIGHTS LONG BEFORE THESE CONVERSATIONS TODAY.

WE WOULD NOT BE HERE WITHOUT HER TODAY.

>> IF I COULD TIE TO THE PRESENT DAY, THE IMAGE OF HER VOTING, HER FINAL VOTE YESTERDAY, DOING WHAT SHE COULD TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OPEN AND FROM SHUTTING DOWN.

COMPROMISE IS NOT SOMETHING YOU HEAR MENTIONED MUCH AT ALL OR A POSITIVE WORD IN WASHINGTON.

SOMETIMES IT IS A BITTER PILL TO SWALLOW, SOMETHING SHE HAD TO SWALLOW WHEN SHE SAW THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN SUNSET 10 YEARS LATER.

BUT THAT IS WHAT SHE COMPROMISE TO GET IT PASSED INITIALLY.

TERMS OF WHERE WE SEE AVOIDING A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN?

IS IT INEVITABLE AT THIS POINT?

>> I WILL TELL YOU MY COLLEAGUE SENATOR COLLINS AND I HAVE WORKED HARD TOGETHER TO HAVE ON THE FLOOR NOW A CONTINUING RESOLUTION THAT IS BIPARTISAN, STRONGLY SUPPORTED IN THE SENATE, TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OPEN AND EXTEND PROGRAMS THAT ARE VITAL LIKE FAA AND HEALTH PROGRAMS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THE GOVERNMENT RUNNING.

WE HAVE DONE IT IN A BIPARTISAN WAY.

THERE ARE VOTES IN THE SENATE AND HOUSE IF WE CAN BRING THE BILLS UP, IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE BROUGHT UP.

IT WILL BE IN THE SENTENCE.

SENATE.

WE ARE SHOWING AMERICANS AS DIANNE DID YESTERDAY TO VOTE, THAT THIS COUNTRY CAN WORK .

WE AS LEADERS MUST WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE CONTINUES TO FUNCTION.

A BASIC THING IN TODAY'S DEMOCRACY.

FIGHTING FOR AN DIANNE'S FINAL VOTE WAS FOR.

WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE HOUSE WILL DO.

THEY ARE NOT RUN BY WOMEN.

BUT I HOPE THEY FOLLOW OUR EXAMPLE TODAY AND GIVE THAT LEGACY TO NOT JUST I AND BUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THAT THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY CAN WORK BUT YOU NEED TO WORK TO GET IT DONE.

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT DIANNE FOUGHT FOR HER ENTIRE CAREER.

>> IT WAS A STORIED CAREER AT THAT.

WE KNOW THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN MIRED IN A BIT OF CONTROVERSY, IN REGARDS TO HER OWN HEALTH AND HER ROLE ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE SHE ACHIEVED SO MUCH IN HER CAREER.

I WANT TO END ON THAT.

AND SHOW OUR VIEWERS ONCE AGAIN, I AM STUNNED BY THE PHOTO YOU TOOK WITH HER YESTERDAY STANDING UP, LOOKING BEAUTIFUL, HER LAST PHOTO WITH YOU AND THE LAST DAY OF HER LIFE.

JANE HARMAN, PATTY MURRAY, SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.

>> IT IS OUR COUNTRY'S LOSS.

>> THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> A STUNNING MASS EXODUS WHERE ASIA MEETS YOUR.

80% OF THE POPULATION UP AND GONE IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IN THE SEPARATIST ENCLAVE OF ETHNIC ARMENIANS .

AFTER THEY ARRESTED THE CONTROLLED THE BREAKAWAY REGION QUICKLY FELL AND WILL CEASE TO EXIST.

A TITLE OF PEOPLE ARE HEADED TO ARMENIA.

LISTEN TO ONE WOMAN'S HARROWING ACCOUNT.

>> WHEN THEY STARTED SHOOTING MY GRANDCHILD RAN TO OUR NEIGHBORS BASEMENT IN SHOCK.

HE IS JUST 12 YEARS OLD.

HE WAS SCREAMING AND ASKING OF RELATIVES AND FRIENDS ARE OKAY.

WE WERE SCARED TO GO OUT TO BRING WATER.

THEY WERE HEAVILY SHOOTING AT US.

ALL THE DEBRIS OF THE BOMB FELL IN OUR YARD.

WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GO OUT OR MAKE SOMETHING TO EAT.

WE WERE STAYING IN THE BASEMENT.

HOW CAN I LIVE WITH THEM?

MY SISTER'S CHILD WAS KILLED.

MANY OF MY RELATIVES WERE KILLED.

>> HORRIFYING.

MATTHEW --KNOWS INTRICATE OF THE STORY WELL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

JUST TO HEAR THE PHRASE CEASE TO EXIST IN 2023, IT IS HARD TO COMPREHEND THAT 80% HAS FLED IN ENCLAVE THAT THE LEADER WILL NOT , SAYS IT WILL NOT EXIST AS OF JANUARY 2024.

EXPLAIN THIS.

>> I WAS THE U.S.

MEDIATOR OF THIS CONFLICT TOO.

I THINK THAT THERE IS TREMENDOUS CONFLICT WITH THE PART OF THE ARMENIAN COMMUNITY, BECAUSE OF THE HORRIBLY BLOODY HISTORY OF THAT REGION.

SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN ARMENIANS AND AZERBAIJANIS.

RICK DECLARING SOMETHING -- THAT LED TO HIGH TENSIONS, CLASHES THAT EVENTUALLY BECAME A WAR, ONCE THE SOVIET UNION NO LONGER EXISTED.

DURING THAT PERIOD AZERBAJIJANIS HAD TO FLEE AND SOMEWHERE KILLED IN THE MASSACRE AND SOME WERE MASSACRED ON THE OTHER SIDE.

IT IS TERRIFYING TO THE ARMENIANS THAT MAY BE THE AZERBAJIJANIS WILL STRIKE BACK NOW.

CONSISTENTLY SINCE I BEGAN WORKING IN THIS CONFLICT IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, 22 YEARS AGO, THE AZERBAIJAN GOVERNMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE GOAL TO HAVE THE AZERBAJIJANIS RETURN TO THEIR HOMES AND ARMENIANS STAY IN THEIR HOMES ALSO IN THE REGION OF AZERBAIJAN.

IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THE POPULATION IS TERRIFIED.

HOPEFULLY A LOT WILL COME BACK AFTER FLEEING IF AZERBAIJAN LIVES UP TO ITS PLEDGES.

>> THERE IS NO REASON FOR EITHER SIDE TO TRUST EACH OTHER AT THIS POINT GIVEN THEIR BLOODY AND BRUTAL HISTORY.

YOU HEAR THE TERM ETHNIC CLEANSING THROWN OUT QUITE A BIT.

IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT PERHAPS IS TO, AND WHY WE ARE SEEING SO MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FLEE THE AREA?

>> IT IS CERTAINLY A LINE OF ARGUMENTATION THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF ARMENIA AND THE FORMER LEADERSHIP HAVE BEEN MORNING ABOUT.

BUT I AM NOT WORRIED THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

BECAUSE BACK IN 2020, NOVEMBER OF 2020, WHEN THE SECOND WAR HAPPENED, AZERBAIJAN HAD ROUTED ARMENIAN FORCES , CAPTURED A VERY IMPORTANT CITY THAT COMMANDS THE HEIGHT OF THE CAPITAL OF KARA BUCK.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO BOTH ARMENIANS AND AZERBAJIJANIS.

AT THAT POINT THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THE CAPITAL OF AZERBAIJAN URGING THE PRESIDENT TO KEEP GOING THROUGH ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AND FORCING THE ARMENIAN COMMUNITY TO LEAVE.

BUT THEY DID NOT DO IT AND STOPPED.

NOW, IS IT ETHNIC CLEANSING IF PEOPLE ARE VOLUNTARILY LEAVING?

OR ARE THEY LEAVING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FEAR OF BEING PERSECUTED?

I THINK THE DEFINITION IS DIFFICULT TO APPLY HERE BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF THE PHRASE OF ETHNIC CLEANSING IS NOT PRECISE OR A LEGAL TEAM AND SUBJECTIVE.

>> BUT IT COMES AFTER A NINE MONTH BLOCKADE ON EVERY THING FROM FUEL AND MEDICINE.

THAT WAS LIFTED LAST WEEK.

IN TERMS OF THE INFLUX OF THESE REFUGEES NOW GOING BACK INTO ARMENIA, TOP CONCERN IS THEIR WELL-BEING.

U.S. 80 CHIEF SAMANTHA POWER WAS ON THE GROUND AND TALKED ABOUT THE URGENCY OF ADDRESSING THE SITUATION WITH AN INDEPENDENT MONITOR.

AND THE FACT THAT SEVERE MALNUTRITION IS AN ISSUE AS WELL.

>> IT IS CRITICAL THAT INDEPENDENT MONITORS AS WELL AS HUMANITARIAN ORGANIZATIONS GET ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE IN KARABAKH WHO STILL HAVE DIRE NEEDS.

>> YOU SEE AN AMERICAN OFFICIAL ON THE GROUND THERE.

ARMENIANS WERE FRUSTRATED WITH SOME OTHER PEACEKEEPERS OR MEDIATORS, NOTABLY THE RUSSIANS, NOT STEPPING UP AS MUCH AS ARMENIA HOPED THEY WOULD BE.

I WILL GET INTO OTHER FACTORS THAT MAY BE DRIVING THAT, NAMELY THE WAR IN UKRAINE IN A MINUTE.

BUT WHAT ROLE CAN THE USA PLAY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN OF THIS INFLUX OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INTO ARMENIA?

>> WHAT SAMANTHA POWER SAYS IS EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

NOT ONLY DO THE HUMANITARIAN NEEDS NEED TO BE MET, THE U.S. CAN HELP ON THAT.

WE ARE GREAT ON THAT IN DELIVERING HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE AND I THINK THE UNITED NATIONS HAS A ROLE TO PLAY AS WELL.

THAT IS ONE THING THE USA CAN DO.

THEY CAN ALSO LEAD TO NEW WITH WHAT SECRETARY OF STATE LINCOLN LINCOLN, CONDUCTING NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE LEADERS OF AZERBAIJAN AND ARMENIA ON A PEACE TREATY.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THE PRIME MINISTER OF ARMENIA CLEARLY WANTS A PIECE TREATY.

AND THE PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN WANTS A PIECE TREATY AS WELL.

AZERBAIJAN WON THE LAST WAR SO IT IS THE STATUS QUO NOW.

BUT THERE ARE EXTREME NATIONALISTS IN THE ARMENIAN POLITICAL SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE FORMER LEADERS OF THE KARABAKH COMMUNITY WHO WERE NOT READY FOR PEACE.

WANT TO KEEP THE CONFLICT GOING BECAUSE THEY THINK EVENTUALLY ARMENIA WILL WIN BACK THE TERRITORY AND MORE.

THE PRIME MINISTER OF ARMENIA WAS BEING OBSTRUCTED BY THE OTHERS .

THAT I THINK IT'S FINISHED NOW AND I THINK WE WILL SEE THE U.S.

WORKING WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION TO PUSH FORWARD TO A PEACE TREATY THAT REALISTICALLY COULD BE REACHED WITHIN MONTHS.

THE QUESTION IS, WILL BE ARMENIAN BODY POLITIC ACCEPT IT?

>> NOT TO PLAY DOWN THE SUFFERING OR LOSS OF LIFE OVER THE PAST MONTHS AND YEARS OF COURSE BUT ARE YOU SURPRISED IT HAS COME TO THIS POINT WITHOUT MORE BLOODSHED?

>> I AM RELIEVED THAT IT HAS.

IF YOU FOLLOW CLOSELY WHAT IS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE THE END OF THE KARABAKH WAR IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, THERE HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MAKING PROGRESS.

BUT AS PARTIES GET CLOSER THE EXTREMIST FORCES TRY TO DERAIL THE PROGRESS.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE AZERBAIJAN GOVERNMENT SAID THAT WHEN IT WAS LAUNCHING THE OPERATION IT WAS GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IT COULD TO TO MINIMIZE SO-CALLED , HATE THE TERM COLLATERAL DAMAGE, BUT INJURY AND DEATH TO CIVILIANS, AND FOCUS ON MILITARY TARGETS.

IN THE PACKAGE WE HEARD ONE WOMAN SAY HER SON WAS TERRIFIED THEY WERE SHOOTING AT HIM.

THAT MAY BE BUT AS YOU SAID THE CASUALTIES HAVE BEEN LIMITED.

I THINK WHEN WE GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE ABOUT REVENGE, I THINK IT IS REALLY POSITIVE AND HOPEFUL AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REINFORCED.

THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF AZERBAIJAN IS SAYING WE WANT THE ARMENIAN COMMUNITY TO STAY.

WE WANT TO GIVE THEM FULL RIGHTS, INCLUDING SECURITY AND ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL RIGHTS.

AS I SAID BEFORE THE AZERBAIJAN GOVERNMENT HAS TO LIVE UP TO THAT.

IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT WITH WHAT SAMANTHA POWER SAID, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CREDIBLE INTERNATIONAL OBSERVATIONAL FORCE ON THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE AZERBAIJAN IS LIVING UP TO THOSE PROMISES AND PROVIDE SOME SORT OF MORAL MATURITY AND COMFORT TO THE COMMUNITY.

HOPEFULLY SOME WILL STAY IN MORE WILL COME BACK.

>> RUSSIA HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN AN ALLY OF ARMENIA AND WHILE NOT LAME RUSSIA FOR THE SITUATION IN RUSSIA IS REJECTING BLAME TO BEGIN WITH, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS JUST NOT A PRIORITY.

OR IF IT IS SOMETHING RUSSIA IS NOT CAPABLE OF FOCUSING ON, PERHAPS LOSING IT INFLUENCE IN THE REGION GIVEN ITS ATTENTION AND RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN REDIRECTED TO UKRAINE.

WHAT YOU MAKE OF THE TIMING?

IS IT COINCIDENTAL IT IS A YEAR AND A HALF INTO A WAR THAT HAS NOT GONE RUSSIA'S WAY?

>> IT IS NOT COINCIDENTAL AND THE GEOPOLITICAL HEFT OF RUSSIA AND VLADIMIR PUTIN HIMSELF IS NOTHING LIKE IT EATS TO BE.

LIKE IT USED TO BE.

THE RUSSIAN ROLE WAS REALLY QUITE SIGNIFICANT, MAYBE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT.

BUT THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE FOR RUSSIA.

HOWEVER, PRESIDENT PUTIN HAS BEEN CONSISTENT, AS HAS FOREIGN IT IS HARD FOR ME TO SAY THIS, AS MUCH AS WE ARE IN ODDS IN GEORGIA WHICH RUSSIA ALSO INVADED AND OCCUPIED MUCH OF, THE THREE COUNTRY TEAM WAS COORDINATED ON KARABAKH ABOUT BASIC CONCEPTS, WAYS TO RESOLVE THE CONFLICT.

>>> HERE IS >>> AND SUPPORT FROM THE JOURNALISTS AROUND THE WORLD.

WE ARE HOLDING UP AND DOING VERY WELL.

TO SHOW EVAN THAT WE ARE STRONG.

>> WITH ME NOW IS GORDON --, THE WORLD COVERAGE CHIEF FOR GERSHKOVICH'S PAPER "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" .

THIS IS A BITTERSWEET NOT WANT TO SAY THAT, MARKING SIX MONTHS SINCE EVAN'S WRONGFUL DETAINMENT.

YOU HEARD, WERE WITH HIS PARENTS AND FAMILY YESTERDAY.

THEY HAVE BEEN STRONG AND RESILIENT.

>> EVAN TAKES AFTER HIS PARENTS.

INCREDIBLY STRONG AND RESILIENT.

HOLDING UP A LOT BETTER THAN I THINK I WOULD DO IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES.

HE GETS A LOT OF LETTERS AND SPENDS TIME WRITING LETTERS BACK TO HIS FRIENDS AND IS CLEARLY RETAINING A SENSE OF HUMOR, IT IS HARD WHEN WE SEE HIM LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW IT IS GOOD TO SEE HIM AND THAT HE IS WELL AND HIM SMILING, BUT HONESTLY IT IS RATHER ANGER PROVOKING AND OUTRAGEOUS TO SEE HIM HELD FOR SUCH A LONG TIME FOR A CRIME HE DID NOT COMMIT.

INHUMANELY AS WELL.

THIS IS PERSONAL FOR ME THAN ONLY AS A JOURNALIST AND AMERICAN BUT SOMEBODY WHO HAD EXPERIENCE LIKE EVANS PARENTS.

I CAME HERE AS A REFUGEE FROM THE FORMER SOVIET UNION AS WELL.

I HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW HIS FRIENDS CLOSELY AND I IN FACT SENT HIM A LETTER IN RUSSIAN MYSELF.

>> WE HEAR HE REALLY ENJOYS RECEIVING LETTERS.

>> HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN HIS LETTERS TRYING TO RAISE OUR SPIRITS, HONESTLY.

>> WHAT IS IT ABOUT HIS CHARACTER?

HE IS RATHER YOUNG, TOO REMAINS SO BUOYANT, SO OPTIMISTIC AND EVEN MAINTAIN HIS HUMOR.

HIS FRIENDS TELL ME HE CONTINUES TO LEARN AND READ MORE.

>> HE HAS BEEN READING A LOT OF RUSSIAN LITERATURE.

I DON'T KNOW HIS PARENTS WELL BUT HE SEEMS TO HAVE GOTTEN A GOOD BIT OF HIS SENSE OF HUMOR FROM HIS DAD.

BUT HE WAS ALWAYS THE WISECRACK OR IN THE NEWSROOM , YOU KNOW.

I FEEL THAT ON THESE ANNIVERSARIES AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HIS CASE, WE TEND TO TALK ABOUT EVAN IN THE ABSTRACT.

INSTEAD OF EVAN THE PERSON.

WHO IS A 31-YEAR-OLD, SOON TO BE 32-YEAR-OLD GUY, A BRILLIANT SOCCER PLAYER, RABID FAN OF ARSENAL, AND JUST AN AMAZING AND GENEROUS COLLEAGUE TO US AND A SON AND A BROTHER.

BOY, WE MISS HIM A LOT.

>> WE SAW HIM AND ANOTHER COURT APPEARANCE THIS PAST WEEK.

NO SURPRISE PROSECUTORS REJECTED AN APPEAL TO HIS PRETRIAL DETENTION.

GOING TO NOW BE HELD UNTIL AT LEAST NOVEMBER 30th.

I DO NOT BELIEVE A TRIAL DATE HAS BEEN SET.

I DO NOT BELIEVE EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PRESENTED EITHER.

WHAT YOU ARE HEARING FROM CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND KREMLIN, IS THERE HOPE THAT SOMETHING, SOME PLAN IS IN THE WORKS?

FOR PRISONER EXCHANGE.

>> WE DO NOT HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF TRANSPARENCY BETWEEN WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.

ALSO THIS CLEARLY IS -- EVAN IS A HOSTAGE TO GEOPOLITICS.

IS NOT THAT THE KREMLIN WANT SOMETHING FROM "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" BUT THEY WANT SOMETHING FROM WASHINGTON AND ITS ALLIES.

THE TWO SIDES TALK FREQUENTLY ON PRISONER EXCHANGES.

YOU KNOW THIS MECHANISM , TALKS HAVE GONE ON AROUND POLLY LYNN, BRITNEY GREINER, THE TWO SIDES ARE IN TOUCH.

QUICKLY SUCH A THING COULD MOVE.

THERE CERTAINLY HAS BEEN INDICATIONS AND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS SAID THAT GETTING EVAN BACK IS HIGH PRIORITY FOR HIM.

>> YOU AT THE JOURNAL HAVE BEEN DOING AN EXTRA ORDINARY JOB AND MAKING SURE HE IS TOP OF MIND, NOT FORGOTTEN.

THAT HIS STORIES I BELIEVE ARE FREE TO READ FOR ANY.

ANY VIEWER.

I AM WONDERING, THIS IS A BIT OF A DIFFICULT SITUATION IN QUESTION TO ASK.

WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THE SAFETY AND RATIONALE NOW FOR AMERICAN OR WESTERN JOURNALIST TO BE TRAVELING.

GIVING THAT ANYONE COULD ARBITRARILY BE SNATCHED UP, ARRESTED AND ACCUSED OF SPYING.

>> IT IS A TOUGH CHOICE TO MAKE.

WITH OUR STAFF FROM RUSSIA WE HAVE CLOSED OUR BUREAU THERE BECAUSE WE DO NOT GET A SAFE TO OPERATE.

BY THE SAME TOKEN, EVAN JOINED THE JOURNAL SHORTLY BEFORE THE START OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE.

AND HE WAS WORKING INITIALLY IN LONDON UNTIL HE RECEIVED HIS ACCREDITATION TO GO BACK TO RUSSIA.

HE WAS INCREDIBLY EAGER AND WANTED TO GET BACK ON THE GROUND IN RUSSIA.

AND TELLING A STORY ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE RUSSIA AT THIS VERY FRAUGHT MOMENT FOR THAT COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE.

IT IS OF COURSE A VERY IMPORTANT JOURNALISTIC DUTY AS WELL.

WHEN WE FEEL WE NEED TO DO FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY NOW.

THAT REQUIRES EXTRA RESOURCES BUT WE ARE VERY COMMITTED TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO TELL THE STORY OF RUSSIA AND RUSSIANS , TO GET THE VOICES OF ORDINARY RUSSIANS HEARD OUTSIDE OF RUSSIA.

>> THAT IS BECOMING MORE DIFFICULT BUT IT IS VERY THERE.

GIVEN HOW RUSSIA HAS IMPOSED MUCH STRICTER RULES ABOUT FREE SPEECH AND SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE WAR IN GENERAL.

SINCE IT'S INVASION.

WE PLAYED SOUND FROM EVANS MOTHER EARLIER.

I WANT TO PLAY MORE FROM HIS SISTER, AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO FIGHT FOR HIS RELEASE.

>> WE NEED TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON EVAN.

WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN TAKING TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND READING HIS REPORTING.

WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO READ.

WE WANT TO KEEP FOCUS ON HIM.

>> FOR THOSE OF US THIS HAS TOUCHED MANY AMERICANS.

SADLY THIS IS NOT A NEW STORY, AN AMERICAN HELD POLITICAL HOSTAGE THERE BETWEEN TWO RIVAL NATIONS.

AT THIS POINT WHAT CAN AMERICANS DO?

WHAT CAN PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY FEEL THERE IS NOTHING AS FAR AS THEIR POWER AND SEEING EVAN WHAT DO YOU ENCOURAGE READERS AND VIEWERS TO DO?

>> I THINK WE ALL HAVE POWER, POWER TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT EVAN'S CASE, REMIND MOSCOW THAT EVAN IS NOT FORGOTTEN.

THE TREATMENT OF JOURNALISTS IN MOSCOW IS NOT BEING FORGOTTEN AND TO REMIND THE WHITE HOUSE AND U.S. GOVERNMENT HOW URGENT WE FEEL THE NEED IS TO GET EVAN HOME.

I ALSO THINK THAT IT KEEPS EVAN'S SPIRITS UP TO KNOW THAT WE ARE OUT HERE WORKING ON HIS BEHALF.

IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HEARTWARMING REALLY FOR ME , THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT THAT THE JOURNAL HAS GOTTEN AN EVAN'S FAMILY HAS GOTTEN FROM THE JOURNALISTIC COMMUNITY AROUND THE WORLD.

A NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIKE JASON --AND DAVID ROAD, WHO HAVE BEEN HELD CAPTIVE BEFORE HAVE THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH US.

ALMOST UNIVERSALLY THE THING THAT REALLY MATTERS WHEN YOU ARE BEHIND BARS IS KNOWING PEOPLE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU AND CARE ABOUT YOU AND WANT YOU BACK.

>> DO YOU FEEL THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE ENOUGH, TO SPEAK ON THIS PUBLICLY AND WITH THE LIMITED INFO YOU HAVE GATHERED?

>> THEY SEEM TO BE INCREDIBLY ACTIVE ON THIS.

A LOT OF OUTREACH, PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS REACHED OUT AND SPOKEN TO EVAN'S FAMILY HIMSELF.

MADE COMMENTS JUST LAST NIGHT ON THE U.S. SENATE, HE HAS BEEN FRONT AND CENTER AT THE U.S. GENERAL SIMPLY MEETINGS .

I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT FAULT ANYONE FOR THE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION BEING PAID HERE.

>> THERE IS ONLY ONE COUNTRY AT FAULT HERE AND WE KNOW THAT IS.

RUSSIA, FOR DETAINING HIM .

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> OUR NEXT GUEST IS THE NATIONAL CLIMATE ADVISOR FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.

HIS JOB COULD NOT BE MORE IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW WITH 23 SEPARATE BILLION-DOLLAR WEATHER AND CLIMATE DISASTERS THIS YEAR.

ACCORDING TO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.

WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT DOING ABOUT IT?

ALI ZAIDI JOINS MICHEL MARTIN, PART OF THE PERIL AND PROMISE, ON CHALLENGES OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

>> THANKS.

ALI ZAIDI, THANKS FOR SPEAKING WITH US.

>> IT IS GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> WHY DON'T WE START WITH THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

THEY LAUNCHED THE AMERICAN CLIMATE CORPS.

SAYING THAT IT WILL PUT 20,000 YOUNG PEOPLE ON CAREER PATHWAYS IN GROWING FIELDS OF CLEAN ENERGY, CONSERVATION, AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE.

>> WE FACE A MASSIVE CHALLENGE IN THE FORM OF THE CLIMATE RICES.

THAT WE ALSO HAVE A MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY.

THE PRESIDENT HAS LOOKED AT THE PLAYBOOK FROM THE NEW DEAL ERA AND IS LEVERAGING THAT PLAYBOOK HERE TO BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE TASK OF BUILDING A CLEANER, MORE SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY.

HOW IT WILL WORK IS WE HAVE CREATED A PATHWAY THAT HAS A LOWER BARRIER TO ENTRY.

20,000 FOLKS IN THE FIRST RECOUPMENT CLASS, OUR GOAL FOR NEXT YEAR.

WITH NO EXPERIENCE NECESSARY, THIS WILL BE THE WAY FOLKS FROM A VARIETY OF BACKGROUNDS GET SUITED UP INTO CAREERS OF CLEAN ENERGY, AT A TIME WHEN WE DESPERATELY NEED THEM.

>> HOW DOES IT WORK?

SIGN UP, YOU MAY HAVE SOME SKILLS AND MAY NOT BUT YOU GET THE TRAINING YOU NEED AND YOU ARE DEPLOYED TO CERTAIN PLACES?

IS THAT THE IDEA HERE?

>> NO EXPERIENCE NEEDED, NO BACKGROUND NECESSARY, EVERY BACKGROUND WELCOME.

WE WERE WAR WE WILL WORK DOUBLY DIFFICULT TO MAKE SURE WE WORK.

THEY WILL --AS THEY LEARN THE BASIC SKILLS OF BEING PART OF THE CLEAN ENERGY, CONSERVATION OR RESILIENCE ECONOMY.

IF THEY ARE DOING SOLAR, GETTING COMFORTABLE BEING ON A ROOF AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE EQUIPMENT IS.

OF COURSE AFTER THIS THEY WILL JOIN AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM AND CONTINUE TO DEEPEN THEIR SKILLS.

BUT THIS IS THEIR ENTRY POINT.

>> CAN I STOP YOU THERE?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE SUFFICIENT PRIVATE-SECTOR JOBS TO EMPLOY THESE PEOPLE?

ARE YOU CONVINCED THAT ONCE THESE PEOPLE ARE TRAINED, WILL THEY HAVE SOMEPLACE TO GO TO USE THEIR SKILLS?

>> THIS IS A RED-HOT JOB MARKET.

WE TALKED TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THEY FACE AND THE NUMBER ONE TOPIC THAT COMES UP WHEN THEY LOOK OUT THE FIGURES ON THE HORIZON IS ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE WORKERS NEEDED TO DO THIS WORK?

WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF WIND AND SOLAR FARMS BEING BUILT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

JUST ONE BEING CONNECTED TO A POWER LINE IN NEW MEXICO ALONE WILL PROVIDE AS MUCH POWER AS THE HOOVER DAM.

ON A REGULAR BASIS NOW THE UNITED STATES IS IN THE GAME OF BUILDING MASSIVE MILLION HOMES WORTH OF SOLAR AND WIND FARMS.

WE HAVE GOT OVER 100 CLEAN ENERGY FACTORIES ANNOUNCED SINCE THE PRESIDENT SIGNED THE ACT , AND COUNTING.

EXPANDING.

ON THE PUBLIC-SECTOR SIDE WE HAVE THE DEMAND AS WELL.

THE FOREST SERVICE HAS AN AGING AND RETIRING WORKFORCE.

WE NEED TO FILL FOLKS INTO THOSE JOBS.

WHETHER IT IS NATURE-BASED OR CLEAN SOLUTIONS, WE KNOW THERE IS A MASSIVE DEMAND.

THIS IS US RESPONDING BY BUILDING AN AMERICAN CLIMATE CORPS TO HELP MEET THE DEMAND.

>> THE ORIGINAL BILL REQUIRED $30,000, EIGHT $30 MILLION, IS IT ENOUGH TO MAKE A DENT?

IS IT ENOUGH TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE MARKET?

>> THE INVESTMENT PROPOSED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS A GOOD IDEA THEN AND NOW.

WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS COMMITTED TO DOING IS TAKING STEPS THAT HE CAN WITH EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY.

NOT WAITING ON CONGRESS TO ACT, NOT ALLOWING US TO BE STALLED OUT IN THIS DECISIVE ACTIVE DECADE.

SHOULD WE BE GROWING IT?

ABSOLUTELY.

THE BEST WAY IS TO GET MOVING NOW AND THAT FIRST RECRUITMENT CLASS WILL HELP PUT POINTS ON THE BOARD.

SHOW PEOPLE HOW GOOD OF A VALUE PROPOSITION THIS IS.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STATES, PHILANTHROPY, THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

AND HOPEFULLY WITH CONGRESS AS WELL.

>> LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER DIRECTION, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN A LEGAL BATTLE WITH A GROUP OF AMERICAN SUING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVER CONTINUED USE OF FOSSIL FUELS, NOW THE DEPARTMENT IS FIGHTING TO KEEP THE CASE FROM GOING TO TRIAL.

DO YOU KNOW WHY THE ADMINISTRATION IS SO COMMITTED TO FIGHTING THE CASE OR KEEPING IT FROM GOING TO TRIAL?

>> MICHEL I CANNOT COMMENT ON THE NEGATION.

THE DOJ INDEPENDENTLY DEVELOPS LITIGATION STRATEGY AND ADVANCES IT.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SHY ABOUT CALLING FOR MOBILIZATION, ORGANIZING AND GREATER POLITICAL SUPPORT BEHIND BOLD AND EXPANSIVE CLIMATE ACTION.

THAT IS WHY THE PRESIDENT WAS ABLE TO PASS THE LARGEST CLIMATE BILL NOT JUST AN AMERICAN HISTORY BUT IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

THAT IS WHY HE CONTINUES TO USE HIS AUTHORITY TO ACCELERATE CLIMATE ACTION AND HAS BEEN DOING IT IN A WAY THAT IS WORKING WITH AND THROUGH A BROAD COALITION, URBAN AND RURAL, YOUNG AND OLD, ORGANIZERS OF EVERY STRIPE.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO BUILD THE POLITICAL CASE TO GO FASTER AND FASTER.

WE ARE IMPLEMENTING THE LARGEST CLIMATE BILL ALREADY.

AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF ROLES FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS TO PLAY THROUGH VARIOUS INSTITUTIONS AND VARIOUS --TO MAKE THE CASE FOR HOW WE GO FASTER.

>> OKAY FROM A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, THE ADMIN ANNOUNCED A DIRECTIVE FOR FEDERAL AGENCIES TO CONSIDER THE COST OF CLIMATE CHANGE IN THEIR BUDGETS.

IT IS A POLICY KNOWN AS THE SOCIAL COST OF GREENHOUSE GASES.

THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE PUSHED FOR FOR YEARS BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED PART OF AN OFFER GOVERNMENT APPROACH.

THIS IS IMPORTANT AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT AND CALCULATE WHAT THE EFFECTS OF ANYTHING THEY DO IS TO CLIMATE CHANGE.

THIS IS KIND OF AN EXISTENTIALIST THREAT.

ON ONE HAND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE FIELD THAT HAVE CALLED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A LONG TIME.

ON THE OTHER HAND THERE IS STILL TREMENDOUS POLITICAL OPPOSITION.

I MEAN THE SENATOR FROM WEST VIRGINIA, SAYING THAT THE CARBON METRICS ARE UNPROVEN FIGURES THAT THE ADMIN IS GOING TO USE TO JUSTIFY ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES THAT DRIVE UP COSTS FOR FAMILIES, HAMSTRING EMPLOYEES AND DELAY JOB CREATING INFRASTRUCTURE FROM EVER MOVING FORWARD.

WHAT ABOUT THAT?

A LOT OF FAMILIES ARE UNDER STRESS RIGHT NOW, THAT IS NOT A SECRET, NOT NECESSARILY ANYBODY'S FAULT.

YOU COULD ARGUE THE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH LIKE TERRIBLE INFLATION, PEOPLE'S BUDGET, EVEN FOOD PRICES.

THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> LET'S TALK PRIORITIES.

WE ARE THE ADMINISTRATION THAT IS HOSTING AT THE WHITE HOUSE A SUMMIT WITH STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ABOUT HOW TO BOOST RESILIENCE AND RESPOND TO CRISES AS THEY SHOW UP IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

ON THE OTHER END OF PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE THEY ARE MESSING AROUND AND TRYING TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND WILL HAMSTRING OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, FEMA, FROM HELPING WITH RECOVERY AT 2000 PROJECTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO HELP REBUILD AFTER DISASTER.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOWED UP IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE GOT HOUSE REPUBLICANS IN PARTICULAR WHO ARE TRYING TO PREVENT FEMA FROM DOING ITS JOB.

LET'S TALK CONSUMER COSTS, THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET DOLLARS INTO HANDS OF FAMILIES TO HELP THEM REDUCE THEIR ENERGY COSTS.

WE HAVE SOME GOVERNORS DENYING REBATE DOLLARS THAT WOULD HELP FOLKS LIKE FIXED INCOME SENIORS RETROFIT AND REDUCE ENERGY COSTS.

WE HAVE SEEN AN UNPRECEDENTED USA UNDER THE PRESIDENT'S LEADERSHIP.

WE HAVE GOT FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, CALLING FOR REPEALS OF TAX CREDITS THAT ARE CREATING MANUFACTURING JOBS IN THEIR BACKYARDS.

I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION'S PRIORITIES ARE CLEAR, LINED UP WITH THOSE WITH FRONT OF MINE, ANXIETY ABOUT CLIMATE, ABOUT WHETHER THE USA WILL COMPETE IN THE GLOBAL CLEAN ENERGY RACE.

THE PRESIDENT IS FOCUSED ON DELIVERING RESULTS.

>> IT MAY BE TOP OF MIND BUT THE ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION INITIATIVES DO NOT SEEM TO BE UNDERSTOOD TO BE TOP OF MIND.

DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THEY ARE TOP OF MIND WITH VOTERS.

THE PRESIDENT SIGNED THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT OVER A YEAR AGO.

IT IS BEEN DESCRIBED AS THE LARGEST INVESTMENT EVER.

ACCORDING TO A POLL RELEASED LITTLE OR NONE.

57% DISAPPROVE OF HIS HANDLING OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

HOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

>> I THINK FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR US TO GO FASTER AND FASTER COLLECTIVELY AS A COUNTRY.

I THINK POLES ARE AN IMPERFECT INSTRUMENT MEASURING EIGHT POINT IN TIME WHERE THE REALITY IS AS I SEE IT PLACES LIKE WEST VIRGINIA, WHERE THERE WAS A STEEL PLANT SHUTTERED AND NOW IT IS TURNED BACK ON MAKING BATTERIES.

THERE WAS A SOFA CAPITAL OF THE WORLD MANUFACTURING IN GEORGIA, THOSE JOBS WIN NOW THEY MANUFACTURE SOLAR.

THERE ARE COUNTLESS POWERPLANTS THAT WIN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES BEING REPOWERED WITH CLEAN ENERGY.

WE ARE REVITALIZING ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOWING UP ACROSS THE FACILITIES TODAY, WE MADE A DIFFERENCE.

THAT POSITIVE IMPACT IS I THINK MORE AND MORE AMERICANS CAN TAPPAN TO CLEAN ENERGY SOLUTIONS AND HOW MASSIVELY THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIVES.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE REDUCTION ACT, EVERY LINE ITEM IS OFF THE CHARTS POPULAR WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

DOLLARS TO HELP RETROFIT, BIDEN TAX CREDITS TO HELP CLEAN APPLIANCES CHEAPER.

IS ARE INCREDIBLY POPULAR PROVISIONS.

I UNDERSTAND IN WASHINGTON PEOPLE LIKE TO FLING MUD AND TRY TO MAKE ONE PIECE OF LEGISLATION LOOK FUNNY OR THE OTHER.

BUT THE REALITY IS THEY ARE MASSIVELY POPULAR PROVISIONS THAT MAKE A MESS OF DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF AMERICAN PEOPLE.

WE WILL KEEP AT DELIVERING RESULTS ON THIS WORK.

>> IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY ON THE WHOLE IS FAILING TO MEET THE PARIS CLIMATE GOALS BY 2030.

IN FACT WE SEE IN THE UK BE CURRENT PRIME MINISTER HAS PUBLICLY STATED AS A MATTER OF POLICY HE WANTS TO SLOW DOWN HIS GOVERNMENT'S COMMITMENTS THAT PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN MADE.

IS IT STILL POSSIBLE WE COULD PREVENT 1.5 DEGREES OF WARMING TO BLUNT THE WORST EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

>> ANYONE THAT TELLS YOU HITTING 1 1/2 DEGREES WILL BE A LAYUP OR AN EASY EXERCISE, IS BLOWING SMOKE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING AND UNPRECEDENTED THING.

WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON TOGETHER.

BY THE WAY IN THIS DECISIVE DECADE FOR CLIMATE ACTION THAT IS HOW THE IPCC VIEWS THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN NOW AND 2030.

WE CANNOT BE SLOWING DOWN.

AS A COUNTRY AND THE USA, THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS TO HAVE APPROACH THAT IS PAIRED WITH STRONG LEADERSHIP HERE AT HOME.

WHEN THE USA SHOWS UP TO THE GLOBAL STAGE TODAY WE HAVE NOT ASSIGNED OURSELVES BACK INTO THE PARIS AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE COME BACK TO THE TABLE AS A LEADER THAT IS HELPING NOT ONLY DRIVE DOWN THE COST OF CLEAN ENERGY HERE AT HOME BUT THE COST OF CLEAN ENERGY AROUND THE WORLD.

THAT GIVES US A GREAT DEAL OF LEVERAGE TO PUSH FOR GREATER ACTION.

TAKE METHANE FOR EXAMPLE, A SUPER POLLUTING GREENHOUSE GAS, 80 TIMES WORSE THAN CO2.

THE U.S. SET AGGRESSIVE STANDARDS FOR ITSELF ON METHANE.

THAT IS WHY I THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS ABLE TO GET OVER 100 COUNTRIES TO JOIN HIS GLOBAL METHANE PLEDGE.

SO THEN THE WORLD CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.

SO I AM A PERPETUAL AND CONGENITAL OPTIMIST.

THAT IS HOW I AM ABLE TO WORK ON CLIMATE CHANGE.

I BELIEVE FIRMLY THAT THIS CHAPTER OF HISTORY WILL NOT BE TOLD AS A CHAPTER, AS A STORY OF GLOOM AND DOOM.

IT WILL BE A CHAPTER WRITTEN AS A STORY OF HOPE AND POSSIBILITIES WHEN WE SEE WE SEIZE THE MOMENT WHEN WE COME TOGETHER, WE DROVE SOLUTIONS FORWARD.

THAT IS POSSIBLE AND WITHIN OUR REACH.

JUST YESTERDAY --SAID IT IS POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE TECHNOLOGIES, PATHWAYS, TOOLS, WE JUST NEED TO DO THE WORK.

>> THE SURVEY SHOWED A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE FEEL DESPAIR ABOUT CLIMATE.

YOU HEAR YOUNG PEOPLE SAY IN SURVEYS THAT IF YOU ASKED THEM, WHAT HE WANTED DO WHEN YOU BECOME AN ADULT?

DO YOU WANT A FAMILY?

SOME YOUNG PEOPLE WILL SAY SURE IF THE WORLD IS NOT UNDERWATER BY THE TIME I GET TO THAT POINT.

OR SURE, IF WE ARE NOT OUT OF WATER.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

I AM GUESSING YOU HAVE HEARD THIS.

I AM CURIOUS, IF THERE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT FEEL THAT WAY LISTENING TO OUR CONVERSATION, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM?

>> IT IS EASY NOW WHETHER YOU SIGN IN ONLINE OR TUNE INTO THE TELEVISION, TO FEEL THAT SENSE OF DESPAIR AND DOOM.

YOU SEE THE SKY TURN ORANGE, YOU BREATHE IN FOLK SMOKE FROM WILDFIRES HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY.

IT IS REALLY EASY TO GET RESIGNED TO A REALITY THAT NECESSARILY WILL KEEP GETTING WORSE.

YOUNG PEOPLE I THINK HAVE SHOWN A DIFFERENT PATH, JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO, A NUMBER OF YOUNG PEOPLE DECIDED TO ORGANIZE, MARCH, TO STRIKE ON FRIDAYS AND OTHER DAYS.

CAME OUT IN RECORD NUMBERS AND HANDED THIS PRESIDENT NOT ONLY A SHOT TO TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING BUT A MANDATE TO DELIVER.

THANKS TO THEIR VOICE THE USA WENT FROM BEING ON A TRAJECTORY, TO BEING ON THE SIDELINES OF CLIMATE, TO HAVING EXITED THE PARIS AGREEMENT, TO BEING IN THE GAME OF DENIAL AND SKEPTICISM, TO HAVE PASS THE LARGEST CLIMATE BILL IN HISTORY OF ANY COUNTRY, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

THAT IS BECAUSE OF YOUNG PEOPLE.

MY MESSAGE EVERYWHERE I GO IS YOU ARE POWERFUL BEYOND HOW MUCH YOU REALIZE.

YOU ALREADY MOVE THE NEEDLE, HELPED US UNLEASH INCREDIBLE ECONOMIC DISPARITY, HELPED DELIVER INJUSTICE TO PLACES THAT FELT IT WOULD NEVER COME.

THE WORK IS NOT DONE.

BUT, BOY, THIS WILL NOT BE A STORY THAT IS TOLD IN GLOOM AND DESPAIR BUT A STORY TOLD IN HOPE AND POSSIBILITIES BECAUSE OF WHAT YOUNG PEOPLE OF ALREADY DONE.

>> ALI ZAIDI, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH US.

>> A POWERFUL CONVERSATION.

>>> FINALLY TODAY A GRAND REDEMPTION FOR A NOTORIOUS PIECE OF ART HISTORY.

BEGIN IN 2012 WHEN THE WELL- MEANING CECELIA GIMENEZ TRIED RESTORING -- IN HER LOCAL CHURCH.

PAINTING OVER THE FADING MASTERPIECE, TURNING IT INTO THIS.

SORRY.

KNOWN ALL OVER THE WORLD AS MONKEYED CHRIST, AND SHE BECAME A BIT OF A PUNCHLINE.

A NEW OPERA HAS FOCUSED ON HOW HER RESTORATION HAS HELPED THE STRUGGLING TOURIST INJURY IN HER TOWN IN SPAIN.

LITERALLY TURNING LEMONS INTO LEMONADE.

>>> THAT IS IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.

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