>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO COLORADO INSIDE OUT.

I'M KRISTA KAFER.

WE ARE JOINED TODAY BY PATTY CALHOUN FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF WESTWORD.

DAVID KOPEL RESEARCHER AT THE INDEPENDENCE INSTITUTE.

AND PENFIELD TATE AND FOUNDER OF TATE LAW.

AFTER 28 YEARS WITH THE DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WILL BE RETIRING MID-OCTOBER.

WHAT IS THE LEGACY.

WHAT SHOULD DIVISION CHIEF DO WHEN HE FIRST TAKES THE WHEEL?

WHAT IS THE LEGACY OF THE MAN DEPARTING?

>> I THINK WE CAN SEE WHAT THOMAS' FIRST MOVE IS GOING TO BE.

HE IS IN CHARGE NOW.

IT SOUNDS LIKE PAUL IS TAKING A LOT OF TIME OFF BEFORE HE OFFICIALLY LEAVES OCTOBER 15TH.

FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE THINGS THOMAS HAS BEEN GOOD AT AND HE HAS BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR A LONG TIME TOO.

HE IS A LISTENER.

HE HAS BEEN GOING TO A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY FORUMS.

SO FAR HIS ASCEND TO CITY CHIEF IT HAS BEEN LOTTED AS A GOOD MOVE.

HE HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE WITH HANCOCK.

HE SAID VERY LITTLE, BUT HE WANTS TO LISTEN.

HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE WHERE THE CITY IS GOING.

IT CAME TO A SURPRISE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, PERHAPS THE MAYOR SAID ON TUESDAY THAT'S WHEN HE FOUND OUT.

ANYONE IN POLICING HAS A THANKLESS JOB RIGHT NOW WHETHER THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB OR BAD JOB.

WE HAVE SEEN BOTH.

HE CAME RIGHT IN AS DENVER ADOPTED BODY CAMS WHICH ARE GREAT.

THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO SHOT THE SIX INNOCENT BYSTANDER IS INSURMOUNTABLE TO MAKE A COMEBACK FROM THAT.

THE DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENT COULDN'T COMMUNICATE TO DEAL WITH PROTESTERS.

THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT VIOLATED DENVER CODE.

HE HAD A REALLY TOUGH TIME.

YOU CAN'T BLAME HIM FOR LEAVING.

HANCOCK IS ABOUT TO LEAVE.

HE SAYS HE WILL MAKE THIS CITY GREAT WHEN HE HAS YEARS TO DO IT.

>> WHAT SHOULD THOMAS' FIRST PRIORITY BE?

>> WELL, I THINK AS PATTY SAID HE IS KNOWN TO BE A GOOD LISTENER.

I HOPE IF HE HAS THE OCCASION FOLLOWS IMPORTANT LEGACY.

FIRST OF ALL, THE REASON THAT WHEN THERE WAS A GEORGE FLOYD PEACEFUL PROTEST, THERE WERE A LOT OF RIOTERS AND CRIMINALS IN THAT CROWD, IN OTHER CITIES, A FEW MONTHS LATER LOTS OF OTHER PLACES SIGNIFICANT AREAS WERE BURNED TO THE GROUND.

SMALL BUSINESSES DESTROYED AND PUT OUT A BUSINESS FOREVER.

IT WAS DEFINITELY THE STAKES WERE MADE IN THAT SITUATION.

BUT CHIEF AND THE DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T GIVE THE RIOTERS THE FREEDOM TO DESTROY AS SOME POLICE CHIEFS AND MAYORS IN OTHER CITIES DID.

IT IS INTERESTING THAT HIS RETIREMENT COMES LONG AFTER HE SPOKE OUT.

WHEN SOUTH HIGH SCHOOL MADE EVERY STUDENT ATTEND THIS VIDEO WHICH FALSELY CLAIM THAT DENVER POLICE OFFERS ARE TRAINED TO BE PREJUDICE AGAINST PEOPLE.

THAT IS WHY PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WHY PEOPLE AREN'T GOING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THE BIGGEST VICTIMS WILL BE THE POOR PEOPLE INCLUDING MINORITIES.

>> THE LEGACIES THAT THE CHIEF HAS.

PART OF THE LEGACY IS THE STAR PROGRAM.

ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HANDLE SITUATIONS AND MINOR OFFENSES.

THAT HAS LOWERED CRIME.

ALAINA HOW DO YOU SEE THIS GOING FORWARD?

WHAT OTHER PARTS DO WE HIGHLIGHT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT WAS A HUGE PART OF CHIEF'S LEGACY.

IT HAS BEEN POPULAR WITH THE CITY INCLUDING THE STAR PROGRAM.

IT HAS GOTTEN ACCOLADES FOR ITS EFFECTIVENESS.

THE DATA DRIVEN STRATEGY IS SOMETHING THAT IS ATTRACTIVE TO THE CITY AS FAR AS WAYS THAT WE SHOULD APPROACH A HUGE CRIME PROBLEM I SHOULD SAY.

GOING BACK TO WHAT THE NEW CHIEF FIRST PRIORITY SHOULD BE.

THAT'S -- CRIME IS ABOUT TO HIT.

OUR DENVER'S HOMICIDE RATE IS ABOUT TO HIT AN ALL TIME HIGH.

THIS IS THE PART WHAT HAS MADE HIS JOB SO DIFFICULT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIS LEGACY, NOT ONLY IS THAT A PART OF IT, IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

WE HAVE TWO REALLY BIG PUBLIC PR PROBLEMS AS FAR AS THE DPD GOES.

THE FEDERAL GRAND JURY DECISION THAT CHARGED $14 MILLION FOR DPD'S IN RESPONSE TO GEORGE FLOYD'S PROTEST.

SEVERAL OF THE OFFICERS ARE NOW IN A GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION FOR INJURING SIX PEOPLE IN A SHOOTING IN A BUSY PLACE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE IS LOTS OF GOOD PROGRESS THAT HE HAS PUSHED.

I THINK IT IS WORTH TAKING A ZOOMED OUT VIEW.

HE IS THE TENTH POLICE CHIEF TO RESIGN SINCE AUGUST 2021.

WE HAVE COPS AROUND THE COUNTRY QUITTING.

STAFF SHORTAGES AND HEIGHTEN SCRUTINY IT IS REALLY TOUGH TO BE A COP RIGHT NOW.

AT THIS POINT SO MANY OFFICERS ARE SAYING IT IS NOT WORTH IT.

>> THIS IS A TOUGH, TOUGH TIME TO BE A POLICE OFFICER AND A TOUGH TIME TO STEP INTO THAT CHIEF ROLE.

IF YOU COULD GIVE ADVISE WHAT WOULD YOU TELL HIM?

>> I'VE KNOWN HIM SINCE HE STARTED THE FIRST.

I THINK HE HAS A GOOD BACKGROUND.

A LOCAL KID WENT TO TJ HIGH SCHOOL.

I WOULD TELL HIM TO CONTINUE LISTENING TO PICK UP ON THE SUCCESSES OF THINGS LIKE THE STAR PROGRAM WHICH IS MODEL WITH POLICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

HAS DECIDED NOT EVERY CALL REQUIRES A RESPONSE WITH A PISTOL AND A TASER.

ACTUALLY PROVIDE SOME HEALING TO A COMMUNITY.

HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO FOLKS.

HE HAS CREDIBILITY THERE.

HE HAS TO REPAIR THE RELATIONSHIP.

ALAINA OUTLINED JUST TWO OF THE NUMEROUS JUDGMENTS THE CITY HAS PAID OVER THE YEARS.

THERE IS A TENSION IN OUR COMMUNITY LIKE MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE LARGE NUMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY JUST DON'T TRUST THE POLICE REFERENCING -- TALKING ABOUT THE VIDEO ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL.

HE IS IN IDEAL POSITION TO HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP SO YOU CREATE MORE TRUST NOT JUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE.

IT IS A TWO-WAY STREET.

YOU NEED THE POLICE TO TRUST THE COMMUNITY ALSO.

I THINK THERE IS SOME DISTRUST COMING FROM THE OFFICERS AS WELL.

>> THE SENATE RACE BETWEEN BENNETT AND O'DAE IS HEATING UP RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE SEEN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS OUT THAT SENATOR MICHAEL BENNETT AND HIS OPPONENT IS NECK AND NECK.

PUTS HIM AHEAD BY 11 POINTS.

WHICH CANDIDATES HAS THE BEST STRATEGY IN THIS PLACE WHICH IS STILL IN PLAY.

DAVID KOPEL?

>> THEY BOTH HAVE STRATEGY FOR THE RESPECTIVE SITUATION THEY ARE IN.

THEY ARE INTERESTED IN POLITICS AND SO WHEN THERE IS A NEW POLL THEY ARE MOST LIKELY TO READ ABOUT IT.

WE KNOW OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS, POLLING HAS GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE.

WE HAD THIS PROBLEM EVEN BEFORE THAT.

AND EVEN THE POLL TWO WEEKS -- TWO DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION ARE OFTEN WRONG.

SO FOR EXAMPLE IN 2016 MICHAEL BENNETT IN THE POLL HAD A LARGE LEAD WHO WAS A HARD WORKING BUT UNDERFUNDED CANDIDATE.

BENNETT ONLY WON THAT RACE BY A FEW POINTS.

THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES FOLKS.

DON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME AT THE POLL.

BENNETT AND O'DAE IS A CROSS RACE.

BOTH HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

O'DAE FOR COLORADO'S POLITICAL CLIMATE IS POSITIONING HIMSELF WELL.

EVEN THOUGH HE IS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE HE IS NOT A DOCK -- PROBABLY A POSITION AS A WHOLE NOT A MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

I THINK THE KEY THING WE ARE A WAYS AWAY.

MAIL IN BALLOT DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL THE SECOND WEEK OF OCTOBER.

THERE IS PLENTY OF THINGS IN PLAY.

>> SO PHIL WISER AND HIS OPPONENT ALSO RUNNING NECK AND NECK.

GETTING 40% IN THE POLL.

DAVID IS RIGHT TO SAY POLLING IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE.

>> I THINK WE ARE SEEING SHIFTS.

THERE IS A NEW POLL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MERIT WE GIVE TO THESE POLLS.

THERE IS A LOT MORE NEW -- -- I THINK PEOPLE ARE COMING TO A POINT WHERE THEY WANT TO HEAR INSTEAD OF TALKING POINTS COMMENTS THAT RELATE TO THEIR LIVES AND THEY CAN, I MEAN REASON WITH.

IT IS HARD TO DO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE SO FAR IN THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.

I THINK IT IS INTERESTING THE STANCE THAT O'DAE HAS TAKEN WITH ABORTION.

O'DAE NOW IS TAKING THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD APPROACH AS FAR IT GOES WITH REPUBLICANS SAYING THERE IS ROOM FOR ABORTIONS TO HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL EMERGENCIES, RAPE.

THAT IS MORE OF THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD VOTERS ARE LOOKING TO HEAR THAT KIND OF NUANCE.

JUST REALLY LOOKING FOR MORE COMPROMISES AND REASONABILITY.

>> THE STATE WAS SORT OF A REDDISH, PURPLE STATE.

NOW IT IS BLOW STATE.

ARE THESE POLLS PERHAPS A FALSE POSITIVE?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A SHIFT.

I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH ALL OF THESE POLLS THEY DON'T DISCLOSE THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION.

WHEN THEY CALL AND ASK WHAT CANDIDATE DO YOU PREFER?

THEY SAY I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY.

THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

IN THE SENATE RACE I THINK O'DAE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.

WHAT I WOULD CALL A TRADITIONAL COLORADO REPUBLICAN AS OPPOSED SOME OF THESE ELECTION DENIERS.

I THOUGHT THE COMMERCIAL HIS WIFE DID WAS SPOT ON.

HIS ISSUE IS GOING TO BE HE CAN'T FIGHT ANYTHING BENNETT HAS DONE WRONG OR OUT OF STATE WITH COLORADOANS.

SO I THINK IT IS AN UPHILL POLL FOR HIM.

IN COLORADO BEING POSITIONED AS A MODERATE CONSERVATIVE HELPS HIM.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

SO THE NEXT OF COUPLE OF WEEKS PEOPLE WILL PAY ATTENTION.

IF YOU CAN GIVE ADVICE TO GET THOSE THOSE UNDECIDED VOTERS.

WHAT WILL YOU DO?

>> THEY WILL BUYING TV TIME.

TV TIME IS WAY DOWN FROM THE SENATE CANDIDACY IN 2020.

PEOPLE HERE MAY NOT BE PAYING ATTENTION.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS SENATE RACE.

IT COULD BE IT IS LOVELY IN COLORADO IN THIS TIME OF YEAR.

IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE JOE O'DAE WHO IS NOT RON HANKS.

THE REPUBLICANS DID WIND UP WITH A CANDIDATE THAT HAS A MUCH BETTER CHANCE THAN RON HANKS WOULD HAVE.

PEOPLE DON'T KNOW JOE O'DAE.

WILL THEY STILL WANT TO SUPPORT HIM.

THEY WILL BE TAKING A LOOK.

MICHAEL BENNETT IS NOT SOMEONE WHO SAYS LOOK AT ME.

HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO START SAYING OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.

>> LEAVING DOWNTOWN DENVER LATER THIS MONTH.

BAD SIGN?

DOWNTOWN DENVER PARTNERSHIP A $2.4 MILLION CONTRACT TO BREATHE NEW LIFE.

WILL SHOPPERS AND DINERS RETURN?

>> TO ME THIS BOILS DOWN TO A GIANT PR CAMPAIGN.

I THINK THERE IS ROOM TO ARGUMENT WHETHER PR CAMPAIGNS WORK.

$2.4 MILLION IS NOT THAT MUCH WHEN IT COMES BREATHING NEW LIFE TO DOWNTOWN.

THE CITY IS PLANNING TO USE THESE FUNDS GETTING BUSINESS OWNERS FREE SPACE TO LAUNCH THEIR BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.

ATTRACT TOP TENANTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.

THEY ARE LOOKING TO HOST MORE EVENTS.

ART EVENTS AND COME BACK CRIME WHICH IS A BIG PART WHICH MALL AND AREAS DOING SO BADLY.

THEY ARE TRYING TO INVEST IN SECURITY CAMERAS AND MORE STREET LIGHTNING.

THE BIG PICTURE HERE TIME WILL TELL IF THIS WILL WORK.

THEY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM THAT I DON'T KNOW THIS WILL FIX IT ALL.

WE HAVE A NEW REALITY THANKS TO THE PANDEMIC.

WORKERS ARE NOT IN DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS.

THEY ARE WORKING FROM HOME.

THEY DON'T THINK THAT DAYTIME TRAFFIC MAY RETURN BEYOND 80% PREPANDEMIC LEVELS.

PEOPLE ARE HOME.

THIS PRESENTS AN INTERESTING PROBLEM FOR THE NEXT MAYOR TO FIGURE OUT -- I DON'T THINK $2.4 MILLION WILL CHANGE THIS WHOLE PHENOMENA.

HOW WILL YOU REVAMP THESE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND RETHINK IN THE WAKE OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

I'M SKEPTICAL.

>> I'M SKEPTICAL TOO.

A PIECE JUST CAME OUT AND TRAFFIC WAS ONE OF THEM.

PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO DRIVE DOWNTOWN.

WHAT OTHER THINGS ARE YOU SEEING THAT MIGHT PREVENT DOWNTOWN FROM RECOVERING FULLY?

>> THIS IS A BAD SIDE WITH BANANA REPUBLIC LEAVING.

AND THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS CONTRACT WITH THE DOWNTOWN DENVER PARTNERSHIP NO ONE HAS ANALYZED WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

ALAINA HIT ON A LOT OF IT.

YOU GOT A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT WILL REMAIN IN A HYBRID SITUATION.

THEY WILL ALLOW A NUMBER OF THEIR WORKERS TO WORK REMOTELY FOR THE LONG-TERM.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME VOLUME OF PEOPLE WORKING DOWNTOWN.

CRIME HAS BEEN A PROBLEM.

WHEN YOU HAVE POLICE OFFICER SHOOTING INTO A CROWD TO GET ONE SUSPECT WHO WANTS TO HANG DOWNTOWN.

YOU MAY WALK AROUND AND GET SHOT BY ACCIDENT.

WE HAVE A HUGE HOMELESS PROBLEM.

THEN YOU GOT RTD AND THE CITY TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND REDOING THE MALL.

THAT WILL KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN.

YOU HAVE THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER.

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS $2.4 MILLION IS A HUGE WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY RIGHT NOW.

UNTIL YOU COME UP WITH A COMPRESSIVE PLAN TO FIX IT.

NO ONE HAD THE IDEA TO STOP THE DOWNTOWN AS IT WAS OCCURRING.

JUST FOR THE SAKE FOR PR CAMPAIGN IS NOT GOING TO FIX ANYTHING.

>> WHAT IS INTERESTING THE SUBURBS HAVE BEEN BECOME MORE COMPETITIVE HAVING SOME HIGH QUALITY RESTAURANTS OR HISTORIC CITY STREETS.

HOW DOES DENVER BECOMES MORE COMPETITIVE.

PATTY?

>> PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DRIVE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES.

YOU HAVE THE SUBURBAN AREAS.

MAYBE CAN AFFORD ONE IN LITTLETON AND ENGLEWOOD AND ARVADA.

SO THEY MIGHT DO ONE IN THE SUBURBS.

LET'S SHARE THE WEALTH.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM DOWNTOWN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE 60 -- PROBABLY 40% OF THE PEOPLE WHO USED TO BE DOWNTOWN WORKING THERE, YOU CAN'T FEED THEM A LUNCH.

RESTAURANTS CAN'T MAKE IT TO LUNCH.

NO ONE WILL GET THEIR T-SHIRT.

IF VICTORIA SECRET COULDN'T MAKE IT THERE NO ONE WILL MAKE IT THERE.

IF YOU ARE NOT -- YOU GOT TO EMPHASIZE NIGHTTIME ENTERTAINMENT AND YOU HAVE TO PUSH TRAVELLERS, YOU GOT TO PUSH GREAT FOOD, PUSH ENTERTAINMENT.

THEY SHOULD PAY TO HAVE LOCAL BANDS PLAY ONE NIGHT A WEEK AND BARS UP AND DOWN THE MALL GIVE THEM A REASON TO COME DOWNTOWN.

>> LAST TIME I WENT DOWNTOWN I SAW A GUY WITH NO PANTS ON.

DAVID KOPEL WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> JUST FOR CORRECTION THE INDEPENDENCE INSTITUTE IS UPTOWN WHICH IS NEAR DOWNTOWN.

I'M SORRY YOU SAW JON CALDARA.

YOU CAN'T CALL IT A DOWNTOWN PROBLEM.

REMEMBER UPSTATE NEW YORK HAD A HUGE THING.

COME TO UPSTATE NEW YORK.

NEW YORK ASK IS CATASTROPHICALLY WITH DYING STATE CITIES.

WE HAVE A MAYOR FOR OVER A DECADE HAS BEEN WORKING TO CAUSE TRAFFIC JAMS.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT.

THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FROM HOME, MAYBE THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE OFFICE ONE DAY A WEEK.

THEY COULD COME TWO OR THREE.

WE WILL GO TO A BALL GAME AND HAVE DINNER AFTERWARDS.

THE CITY AND DOWNTOWN IN PARTICULAR ARE OVERRUN BY GANGS.

WE GOT THE OPPOSITE TODAY.

>> NOW FOR OUR FAVORITE PART.

PATTY WHO WILL YOU GIVE IT TO?

>> I AM HAPPY TO RETURN TO DOUGLAS COUNTY.

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWING A PRIDE EVENT BECAUSE OF A WARDROBE MALFUNCTION.

REALLY I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THAT.

>> I WOULD HOPE SO.

>> WHY DO PEOPLE PICK ON CALDERA.

I'M GOING TO START WITH TWO NICE THINGS.

A WEEK AGO WAS WOMEN'S EQUALITITY DAY.

SO THE STAFF HAD A REUNION OF THE 50th ANNIVERSARY GREAT CONGRESSWOMAN WHO WAS FIRST ELECTED IN 1972.

WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF BEING HERSELF.

>> ALAINA, YOUR DISGRACE OF THE WEEK.

>> I WILL GO WITH STARBUCKS.

I JUST THINK IT IS DISGRACEFUL.

I'M NOT ABOUT THAT PUMPKIN.

>> THEY WILL RUIN CHRISTMAS.

>> DENVER DRIVE, FASHION, AND NOW BANANA REPUBLIC WE COULD GO THERE AND SHOP AND DO SOMETHING.

FOR THE CITY TO WASTE MONEY ON A PR CAMPAIGN WHICH THEY HAVEN'T ANALYZED WHAT IS THE REALLY PROBLEM IS A DISGRACE.

>> SOMETHING NICE.

>> AS SOMEONE WHO HADN'T MISSED THE DAY DOWNTOWN GET OUT THERE THIS WEEKEND.

GO TO TASTE OF COLORADO.

GO TO THE CHALK ART FESTIVAL AND SEE THAT IT IS ACTUALLY A LOVELY PART OF TOWN.

GET OUT THERE AND SEE REAL PEOPLE AND CELEBRATE.

>> MY MOTHER PASTED AWAY TWO WEEKS AGO AT HOME WITH HER FAMILY.

SHE GRADUATED FROM DU LAW SCHOOL IN 1954.

THE REASON SHE WENT TO DU IS BECAUSE CU MADE IT CLEAR WOMEN COULDN'T BE LAWYERS.

MY DAD SWITCHED FROM JOURNALISM TO LAW.

SHE BECAME THE TOP LAWYERS IN THE UNITED STATES.

SHE WAS ALSO A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW A PERSON CAN LIVE HIS OR HER LIFE THE WAY THEY WANT TO RATHER THAN TRYING TO CONFORM TO OTHER PEOPLE.

>> WHAT AN AMAZING WOMAN.

SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I HAD A TOTAL BLAST EATING TOO MUCH FRIED FOOD.

HEAD THERE ALL THROUGH LABOR DAY WEEKEND.

>> MY CONDOLENCES ALSO.

ALAYNA IS RIGHT.

THE STATE FAIR IS A LOT OF FUN.

MY DAUGHTER USED TO LOVE IT WHEN SHE WAS A KID.

THIS IS AN EXCUSE TO HANG OUT, DRINK BEER.

DO ENJOY IT.

JUST EXPERIENCE DOWNTOWN IN A POSITIVE AND SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT.

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