>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," IT'S ON TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.çó WE'LL GET INTO THE PRIM>9ñr RESULTS AND THE PATHS AHEAD--Ñi INCLUDING MORE THAN ONE HISTORIC FIRST FOR THE STATE-- A LITTLE LATER INÑiñr THE SHOW, WITH THE "GLOBE'S" JOAN VENNOCHI, AND THE "BAY STATE BANNER'S" YAWU MILLER.

BUT FIRST, TO THE WINNER OF WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE MOST BRUISING OF YESTERDAY'S CONTESTS, FOR SUFFOLK COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY.Ñi OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, BOTH CANDIDATES FACED SIGNIFICANT CONTROVERSY.

IN EARLY AUGUST, A "BOSTONçó<ú!LOBE" PIECE RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY INTERIM D.A.

KEVIN HAYDEN HAD NOT PURSUED CHARGES AGAINST A WHITE TRANSIT COP WHO WAS ACCUSED OF PULLING A GUN ON A HISPANIC BLACK MAN DURING A TRAFFIC DISPUTE, THEN LYING ABOUT IT.

AND THEN, A COUPLE WEEKS LATER, THE "GLOBE" REPORTED THAT BOSTON CITY COUNCILOR RICARDO ARROYO WAS TWICE INVESTIGATEDçó FOR POSSIBLE SEXUAL ASSAULT, IN 2005 AND 2007.

ARROYO DENIED ANY WRONGDOING, AND ACCUSED HAYDEN OF LEAKING THE DETAILS TO THE MEDIA.Ñi NOW, THE BALLOTS HAVE BEEN COUNTED, ARROYO HAS CONCEDED, AND WITHOUT A REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER, HAYDEN IS ON HIS WAY TO A FULL TERM.

KEVIN HAYDEN JOINS ME NOW.Ñi >> Braude: BELIEVE, KEVIN HAYDEN, FOR BECOMING THE PERMANENT D.A.

>> LET'S HOPE SO.

>> Braude: I mE TERM.

WHY DIdó YOU WIN THIS?

WHY DO YOU THINK THEÑi VOTERSVOTERS CHOSE YOU OVER RICARDO ARROYO?

>> I THINK THE VOTERS LOOKED AT WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND THE QUALIFICATIONS TO DO THE JOB.

>> Braude: SORRY, GO AHEAD.

>> AND I DO.

I'M BUILT FOR THIS.

25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS A PROSECUTOR AND A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AND HAVING RUN A STATE AGENCY PREVIOUSLY.

>> Braude: BUT YOU CAN'T DENY THAT SOME OF YOUR VOTE WAS A VOTE AGAINST ARROYO BECAUSE OF THESEñr CHARGES, NOT SO MUCH FORñr YOU?

YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THAT,Ñi WOULDN'T YOU?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET IN THE MINDS OF EVERYC SINGLE VOTER, BUT I KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS SPOKE ANDñr THEY CHOSE TO ELECT ME, SO I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.I3 >> Braude: IT SEEMSçó TO ME, IF I MAYñr BEÑi PRESUMPTUOUS, YOUçó HAVE TWO TASKS: ONE TO DO THE JOB, AND TWO, TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC THAT THEY SHOULD TRUST THE DOER OF THE JOB.

YOU AGREE WITH THAT, I ASSUME?

>> I DO.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO JUST THAT.

>> Braude: SO HOW DO YOU RESTO&c TRUST?núPSh(PS VOTE COUNT DOESN'T MAGICALLY MAKE ISSUES THAT CONCERN VOTERS DISAPPEAR.

HOW DO YOU DO THIS TRUST RESTORATION AS DISTRICTñr ATTORNEY?

>> AND I ADDRESSED THAT LAST NIGHT, AND I SAID FOR THOSE WHO VOTED FOR ME, THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT, AND FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T, I HOPE I CAN WORK TIRELESS EVERY DAY TO TRUST AND EARN THEIRÑi SUPPORT BY DOING MY JOB.

I'M NOT A POLITICIAN, BUT I AM A PUBLIC SERVANT, AND Iñr TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY AND I TAKE THAT TO HEARt.i AND I THINK THAT WHEN THE VOTERS SEE THAT I AM JUST THAT, A PUBLICÑi SERVANT, THAT THAT WILL GAIN THAT TRUST.

>> Braude: WELL, YOU'RE AA POLITICIAN AND A PUBLIC SERVICE, BUT YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO RUN FOR OFFICE, BY DEFINITION, YOU BECOME A POLITICIAN.

THE ISSUES ARE NOT TOTALLY RESOLVED.

ARROYO'S CAMPAIGN, ONE WOULD ARGUE, I WOULD ARGUE, WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY SEXUAL ASSAULT CHARGES.

YOUR DRIVER, WHO WAS A COP ON THE CASE 15 YEARS AGO, OFBqAVING LEAKED THIS INFORMATION.Ñi YOU DENIED HAVING ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH IT.

HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO DETECTIVE WILLIAMS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD ANY INVOLVEMENT IN IT?

>> I'VE SPOKEN TO HIM, BUT NOT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR INFORMATION, NO.

>> Braude: WHY WOULD YOU NOT ASK HIM IF HE WAS THE LEAKER IN THE CASE?

HE WAS INVOLVED -- >> HE WAS.

BUT I KNOW FROM TALKING TO OTHERS, HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION OF THE CASE WHATSOEVER.

>> Braude: ONE OTHER THING ON THE ARROYO SITUATION, HE SAID THAT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION WASçó APPROPRIATE.

WHY WOULD YOU NOT AGREE TO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION SO THERE IS NO TRACE OF IT IS HAYDEN PROTECTING HIS YOU KNOW WHAT.

IF YOU'RE RIGHT, CLEAR YOU, CLEAR THE DETECTIVE, AND THEN YOU MOVE ON.

WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE A WISE ROUTE FOR YOU AT THIS STAGE?

>> I2kLOW HE IS TALKING ABOUT BRINGING EPIC CHARGES, AND IF HEñr DOES,ñr WE'LL LET THAT TAKE ITS COURSE.

I'M CONFIDENT -- WEñr CANNOT RELEASE SEXUAL ASSAULT FILES AND INFORMATION IN OUR FILES EVER.

IT IS A MATTER OF LAW.

WE CAN'T DO SO.

WE NEVER HAVE, AND WE DIDN'T INçó THIS CASE.

>> Braude: BUT HE IS NOT ASKING FOR RELEASED FILES.

HE IS ASKING FOR YOU TO INVESTIGATE THE LEEXZ.

AND THEY DID COME FROM SOMEWHERE, OBVIOUSLY?

>> I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY CAME FROM OUR OFFICE.

>> Braude: STEPPING BACK FROM ARROYO, THESE CHARGES HAPPENED 17 AND 15 YEARS AGO.

TAKE ARROYO OUT OF IT.çó THERE IS A KID WHO 17 YEARS AGO ENGAGED IN SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.

HE OWNS UP TO IT.

THAT WAS NOT THE SITUATION HERE.

HE DENIES IT.

THE LITTLE I KNOW YOU, YOU SEEM TO BE A SECOND-CHANCE KIND OF GUY.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT KID WHO DID SOME PRETTY HORRIBLE THINGS AS A KID WHEN THESE AN ADULT, IF HE OR SHE -- HE -- WHATEVER -- HAS HAD A CLEAN RECORD IN THE INTERVENING YEARS.

DO THEY DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE?

CAN THEY BE ELECTED TO OFFICE?

>> ABSOLUTELY, THEY CAN.

EVERYBODY DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE.

EVERYBODY MAKES MISTAKES, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE YOUNGER.

IT IS A MATTER OF OWNING UP TO THOSE MISTAKES AND THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES, FIRST AND FOREMOST.

DENIAL DOESN'T GET ANYONE ANYWHERE, BUT WITH ACCEPTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND MOVING FORWARD, ABSOLUTELY.

>> Braude: TALK ABOUT YOUR SITUATION FOR A MINUTE.

ANOTHER GLOBE REPORT DESCRIBED A COUPLE MINUTES AGO, THE GLOBE REPORTED, AFTER HAVING SPOKEN TO THE LAWYER FORTUNATE THIS FOR THIS TRANSIT COP, THEY SAID THERE WAS NOñrÑi APPETITE TO PROSECUTE IT.

YOU SAID IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROSECUTION WAS NOT CLOSED, BUT IT WAS OPEN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY REGRETS ABOUT HOW YOU HANDLED THE CASE ITSELF OR THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE CASE?

>> NO, I DON'T.

THE CASE WAS ALWAYS OPEN.

I THINK THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT COMMENT.

IT WAS OBVIOUSLY MISCONSTRUED BY THE ATTORNEY WHO SAID OTHERWISE IN AN AFFIDAVIT, BUT, NO, I DON'T.

>> Braude: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES ME NUTS, AND THIS IS NOT JUST YOU, YOU USED THE WORD "PUBLIC SERVANT," WHEN THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT MATTERS TO VOTERS, THEY HAVE ANÑi OBLIGATION TO TALK TO RESPONSIBLE MEDIA -- AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

>> SURE.

>> Braude: NEITHER YOU OR MR. MULLEN, YOU BOTH DECLINED TO SPEAK TO "THE BOSTON GLOBE."

WHY WOULD YOU NOT SPEAK TO THEM AND ANSWER EVERY QUESTION THEY HAVE?

> WE DID SPEAK TO THE GLOBE.

>> Braude: BOTH OF YOU DID?

>> WE BOTH DID.

LET'S TALK ABOUT YOU FOR YOUR CAMPAIGN -- NOT YOUR CAMPAIGN, BUT YOUR SERVICE AS DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

THE MEDIA BASICALLY SETTLED ON DESCRIBING AS A CENTRIST STATUS QUO CANDIDATE.

I KNOW YOU BRISTLE AT THAT -- >> I DO.

>> Braude: WHY ARE YOU NOT THATÑi CENTRIST -- >> BECAUSE I'VE NEVER TAKEN A BACK SEAT WHEN IT COMES TO CRIMINAL REFORM.

EVERYBODY WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE WORDS, "CRIMINAL LEGAL REFORM," I STAKE MY ENTIRE CAREER ON, INTERVENTION STRATEGIES, WORKING VIGOROUSLY ON THE RE-ENTRY AND RETURNING CITIZENS, THE CORNERSTONES THAT ARE SO NOW UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED, I STAKE MY ENTIRE CAREER ON.

WHEN I DID IT, QUITE FRANKLY, PEOPLE LOOKED AT ME LIKE I WAS CRAZY.

I HAVE HAD PEOPLE COMMENT ON THAT, AND THEY GO ALL OF THESE THINGS YOU DID AND CHAMPIONED AND STAND FOR, WHEN YOU WERE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY UNDER RALPH AND DAN, NOW PEOPLE ACCEPT AS GOOD AND JUST PRINCIPLES, AND IT IS AMAZING THAT YOU TOOK A LOT OF HITS BACK THEN FOR IT.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW THIS, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE ACLU OF MASSACHUSETTS DID A CAMPAIGN, WHAT A DIFFERENCE A D.A.

MAKES, AND FOUND THAT A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE ELECTED, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEIR JOBS WERE AND THAT THEY HAD DISCRETION AROUND PROSECUTION.

I WOULD BET IF YOU STOPPED 100 PEOPLE IN SUFFOLK COUNTY AND SAID WHAT DID RACHAEL ROLLINS RUN ON, SHE RAN ON 15 MINOR CRIMES THAT WOULD NOT BE PROSECUTED -- YOU DIDN'T ENDORSE THAT.

YOU SAY YOU TOLD ME REPEATEDLY IN THE PAST, YOU THINK OPERATIONALLY YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING -- IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT AS TO WHERE YOU ARE?

>> SOMEWHAT.

>> Braude: EXPLAIN WHAT IS FAIR.

>> I THINK WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE SAME LOW-LEVEL OFFENSES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AT A CASE BY CASE, NOT JUST THE PERSON THAT IS CHARGED, BUT ALSO THE VICTIMS AND THE COMMUNITY THAT IS INVOLVED AS WELL, IN ORDER TO DECIDE WHAT IS JUST AND APPROPRIATE, AND NOT FOCUS ON CHARGES AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF CHARGES -- >> Braude: BUT YOU WOULD AGREE THAT WORKED FOR HER.

THE STUDY SHOWED THAT IN TERMS OF RECIDIVISM, IT WORKED -- >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

THERE ARE Açó LOT OF QUESTIONS WE DON'T NO WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM, WHEN IT COMES TO THEM NOT BEING PROSECUTED, WHETHER THEY CAME BACK OR NOT.

>> Braude: FOR THE AVERAGE VOTER, WHETHER THEY VOTED FOR YOU OR NOT, WHAT ARE THE TWO OR THREE THINGS YOU WANT THEM TO STICK IN THEIR MIND, LIKE I THINK MOST HAVE STUCK THAT ROLLINS' LIST IN THEIR HEAD.

WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT ARE GOING TO BE THE GUIDING -- NOT PRINCIPLES, THAT'S TOO BROAD, BUT THE GUIDING MECHANICS OF KEVIN HAYDEN?

>> IT REALLYÑi COMES DOWN TO ONE.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON, WHETHER IT IS SERVICES OVER SENTENCES, OR WHETHER IT IS GUN CASES AND REDUCING GUN VIOLENCE IN OURÑi NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WANT ALLÑ KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TRULYñr ENGAGED WITHñr OUR COMMUNITY LIKE NEVER BEFORE.

WE ARE GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN INTERVENTION AND PREVENTION STRATEGIES IN CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS LIKE NEVER BEFORE.

THAT'S WHY I COMMIT I COMMITTED TO A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM, NOT JUST ONE PERSON.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER PEOPLE THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THAT GROUP.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, THE ONES THAT CARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

THE ONES THAT CARE ABOUT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND MAKING SURE THATÑi THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT THINK.

THE ONES THAT CARE ABOUT OUR STREETS BEING SAFE.

WHETHER IT IS OUR CHURCHES, WHETHER IT IS OUR 501C3 THAT ARE COMMITTED TO THESE MATTERS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE WITH THIM.

WE'RE GOING TO RETURN TO COMMUNITY POLICING.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT COMMISSIONER COX, I KNOW HE SHARES MY HEART AROUND THIS, AND THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO REALLY MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.

>> Braude: DID YOU WORK WITH HIMÑ BEGINNING OF HIS CAREER?

>> I KNOW HIM, BUT NOT CLOSELY.

>> Braude: LET'S GO TO A POLITICAL QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT A POLITICIAN, MAYOR WU DIDN'T ENDORSE YOU.

WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MARRYMAYORÑi OF THE MAJOR PART OF SUFFOLK COUNTY -- >> NOT AT ALL.

>> Braude: HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO HER?

>> WE SPOKE TODAY.

>> Braude: HOW DID THAT GO?

>> IT WENT WELL.

IT WAS NOT A LONGçó CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE INTEND TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK SOME MORE.

I RESPECT HER.

I KNOW WHAT A GOOD LEADER SHE IS.

AND I KNOW SHE SHARES THE SAME HEART AND PASSION FOR OUR CITY AS I DO.

AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING TOGETHER TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE IN SUFFOLK COUNTY.

>> Braude: KEVIN HAYDEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

BYE-BYE.

WHILE STATEWIDE RACES WERE NOT AS CONTENTIOUS AS THAT FOR SUFFOLK D.A., THEY BROUGHT SOME HISTORIC FIRSTS FOR MASSACHUSETTS.

IN THE DEMOCRATIC ATTORNEY GENERAL CONTEST, BOSTON CITY COUNCILOR ANDREA CAMPBELL DEFEATED ATTORNEY SHANNON LISS-RIORDAN, MAKING HER THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN TO EVER WIN A PRIMARY CONTEST FOR A STATEWIDE OFFICE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

AND, KIM DRISCOLL'S WIN IN THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PRIMARY MEANS SHE AND MAURA HEALEY, WHO WAS THE LAST CANDIDATE STANDING FOR GOVERNOR ON THE DEMOCRATS' SIDE, COULD BECOME THE FIRST ALL-WOMAN TOP TWO IN MASSACHUSETTS HISTORY.

OF COURSE, THE WINNERS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, GEOFF DIEHL AND LEAH COLE ALLEN, WILL BE AIMING TO PUT THAT PIECE ON HOLD.

THEY TOOK ROUND ONE, BUT CAN A TRUMP-ENDORSED, TRUMP-ENDORSING CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR WIN IN MASSACHUSETTS?

WE'LL GET TO THAT, WITH A PIECE OF THE DISCUSSION MARGERY EAGEN AND I HAD WITH THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE EARLIER TODAY.

FIRST, I'M JOINED BY "BOSTON GLOBE" COLUMNIST JOAN VENNOCHI AND YAWU MILLER, SENIOR EDITOR OF THE "BAY STATE BANNER."

>> Braude: GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

BIKERS GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> Braude: I JUST SPOKE TO KEVIN HAYDEN, THE NEWLY, I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL RE-ELECTED OR ELECTED FOR A FULL FIRST TIME, AS SUFFOLK D.A.

I SAID MY ANALYSIS WAS HE HAD HAD TWO JOBS: ONE WAS TO DO THE D.A.

JOB, AND, TWO, WAS TO RESTORE PUBLIC TRUST IN THE GUY WHO DOES THE JOB, NAMELY KEVIN HAYDEN, AFTER ALL OF THE NIGHTMARES IN THIS CAMPAIGN.

JOAN, STARTING WITH YOU, I SAID HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

AND HE SAID BY JUST PUTTING MY HEAD DOWN AND DOING THE JOB WELL.

IS THAT ENOUGH?

>> I THINK HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

I THINK THE WHOLE STORY THAT THE GLOBE DISCLOSED ABOUT HOW HE HANDLED THAT CASE INVOLVING TRANSIT POLICE IS STILL KIND OF HANGING OUTçó THERE.

AND WHAT HE HAS TOñr SHOW IS THAT HE CAN BEÑi TOUGH ON POLICE.

HE PROMISED THATÑi HE WOULD ADMINISTER A FAIR JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND THAT MEANSñr ONE WHERE THE POLICE AREN'T TREATED IN ANY SPECIAL WAY.

>> Braude: YAWU, WAS IT ENOUGH FOR HIM TO JUST DO HIS JOB AND HOPE THAT PEOPLE TAKE FROM THAT HE IS THE GUY TO BE TRUSTED?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO SEE THE UNIT THAT RACHAEL ROLLINS, HIS PREDECESSOR, HAD SET UP TO PROSECUTE CASES OF MISCONDUCT AMONG PUBLIC OFFICIALS,Ñi INCLUDING POLICE, PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO SEE THAT WORK CONTINUED.

THERE IS THAT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION OF HIS OFFICE ACTUALLY LEAKED INFORMATION TO THE GLOBE ABOUT TWO CASES INÑi WHICH RICARDO ARROYO'S NAME APPEARED IN TWO SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES, IN WHICH ARROYO'S NAME APPEARED.

BOTH OF THOSE CASES INVOLVED MINORS, AND I DON'T THINK TO THIS POINT HE SAID HE HAS CHECKED AND NOBODY FROM HIS OFFICE HAS ACCESS TO THOSE FILES.

WHEREAS MAYOR WU HAD SAID THAT.

>> Braude: I ASKED HIM THAT QUESTION, AND I SAID HAVE YOU ASKED YOUR DRIVER, DETECTIVE WILLIAMS WHO WAS INVOLVED AS A COP IN THE CASEÑi IN EITHER 2005 OR 2007, I FORGET, AND HE SAYS HE HASN'T ASKED HIM AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO.

AND I ASKED HIM IF HE HAD CONTEMPLATED DOING AN INDIVIDUAL INVESTIGATION, LIE LIKELIKE ARROYO SUGGESTED, AND HE SAYS HE HASN'T.

WOULD AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BE THE WISE THING TO DO?

>> IT COULD GO A LONGÑi WAY TO RESTORING PUBLIC TRUST.

HE COULD MAKE ONE QUARTER ININQUIRYAND SAY, HAS ANYBODY ACCESSED THAT FILE?

THEIR FINGERPRINTS WOULD BE ON IT.

>> Braude: QUICKLY, JOAN, HOW ABOUT YOU?

>> I'M A LITTLE LESS COMMITTED ON THAT ONE.Ñi FINDING THE LEAKER, THE SOURCE OF THE GLOBE STORY, THAT KIND OF OPENS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CAN OF WORMS, SO TO SPEAK.

I DO THINK HE HAS A TRUST ISSUE THAT HE HAS TO SORT OF ADDRESS.

I WOULD SAY THAT HANDLING AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT TRANSIT POLICE CASE IS INVESTIGATED SHOULD BE -- AND MAYBE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT FIRST ASSISTANT, KEVIN MULLEN, WHO APPARENTLY TOLD SOMEONE THAT HE WAS GROOMING THE CASE, OR HAD NO APPETITE FOR THE CASE.

>> Braude: LET'S MOVE TO THE STATEWIDE RACES.

JOAN, WAS THERE A DOMINANT THEME, DO YOU THINK, LAST NIGHT OR JUST A ELECTION OF DIFFERENT STORIES?

>> WELL, I'VE BEEN READING ON TWITTER AND ELSEWHERE, THAT THE DOMINANT THEME IS THAT PROGRESSIVES HAD A TOUGH NIGHT LAST NIGHT, AND THAT IT WAS -- IT'S ONLY IN MASSACHUSETTS WOULD THAT REALLY BE THE NARRATIVE, THOUGH.

IT IS HARD TO NOT SEYMOUR HEEL ASSEEMAURA HEALEY AS A PROGRESSIVE.

BUT I DO SEE THAT AS AÑi THEME OUT THERE.

IN THE D.A.

'S RACE, IT WAS VERY COMPLICATED WITH ALL OF TZ THINGS THE THINGS GOING ON, WITH THE CHARGES AGAIN ARROYO, BUT ABSENT THAT, THE VOTERS WANTED SOMEONE WHO WOULD KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND NOT JUST KEEP A LIST OF CRIMES THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PROSECUTE.

>> Braude: YAWU, I THINK THE DOMINANT SCHEME IS NOT MANY YEARSÑi AFTER SHANNON O'BRIEN WAS THE ONLY WOMAN ELECTED IN A MASSACHUSETTS STATEWIDE OFFICE EVER, THE ONLY MALE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER WOULD BE BILL GALVIN AS SECRETARY OF STATE.

THAT'S A PRETTY BIG SEA CHANGE, NO?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ANDREA CAMPBELL WOULD BE THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN, WOMAN OF COLOR, EVER NOMINATED AND ELECTED STATEWIDE, WHICH IS REALLY A HUGE CHANGE FOR MASSACHUSETTS.

I THINK A REAL SIGN OF PROGRESS FOR THIS STATE.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE IS A BIG -- THERE ARE BIG VICTORIES AT THE STATE LEVEL.

I THINK THAT THE PROGRESSIVES FEEL PARTICULARLY BATTERED INSIDE OF BOSTON, BUT STATEWIDE I THINK IT IS A DIFFERENT PICTURE.

>> Braude: I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE PROGRESSIVE ISSUE IN A SECOND.

STAY ON THE ATTORNEY THING.

ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVED ABOUT ONE OF YOUR COLUMNS IS I WAS SITTING WITH MARGERY EAGAN SAYING WHY DO YOUÑi THINK THAT MICHELLE WU ANDñrÑi THE SENATOR FAILED TO ENDORSE THAT FIRST WOMAN IN MASSACHUSETTS, BUT ARE RELENTLESSLY CAMPAIGNING FOR HER OPPONENT, AND THEN YOUANSWERED THE QUESTION.

AND THEY'REÑi NOT ONLY DOING WHATBu SAID, THEY'RE ALSO CAMPAIGNING AGAINST THE CHOICE OF THE WOMAN WHO THEY WANT TO BE THE GOVERNORçó OF MASSACHUSETTS.

WHAT WAS YOUR ANALYSIS AS TO WHY THEY MADE THAT CHOICE?

>>Ñi THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST FUN COLUMNS I HAD EVER WRITTEN.

TO GET BACK TO THE THEME OF WOMEN, REMEMBER THAT OLD SONG "IT'S RAINING MEN, HALLELUJAH?"

IT IS RAINING WOMEN.

YOU HAD WU AND WARDEN AND CHAINCHENEY AND WU AND CAMPBELL, AND THERE WAS A REVENGE MOMENT GOING ON.

CAMPBELL HAD RUN AGAINST WU FOR MAYOR.

SHE DIDN'Tñr ENDORSE WU WHENçó WU WAS ONE OF THE TWO FINALISTS.

ELIZABETH WARREN WAS NOT ENDORSED, EITHER, BY ANDREA CAMPBELL.

CAMPBELL HAD ENDORSED KAMALA HARRIS.

SO THERE WAS ALL KIND OF LITTLE COUNTERTHEMES GOING ON.

>> Braude: BY THE WAY, IT WAS THE WEATHER GIRLS WHO DID THAT SONG.

IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME AS YOU WERE SPEAKING.

GO AHEAD.

>> IN THE END, THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY WINNERS AND LOSERS, BUT, WOW, TO SEE WOMEN BEING THE POWER PLAYERS LIKE THAT, I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT MASSACHUSETTS.

AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE RISKS, YOU CAN'T WIN.

AND SOMETIMES YOU LOSE.

>> Braude: YAWU, I UNDERSTAND ON THE REVENGE THEME FOR A SECOND, DOES CAMPBELL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WU GOING FORWARD?

DOES HEALEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WU GOING FORWARD BECAUSE OF THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL CONTROVERSY?

>> I THINK THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

I DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT IN POLITICS, IF YOU SEEK AN ENDORSEMENT FROM SOMEBODY AND THEY DON'T ENDORSE YOU, AND THEN THEY COME TO YOU FOR AN ENDORSEMENT AND YOU GIVE IT TO THEM, IT MIGHT -- A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT INTERPRET THAT AS MAKING YOU LOOK WEAK.

WHICH IS TO SAY, I DON'T HAVE TO ENDORSE MICHELLE WU IN ORDER TO GET HER ENDORSEMENT.

I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE HER ANYTHING, AND SHE IS GOING TO GIVE ME SOMETHING.

SO JUST TO DOWN PLAY THE THEME OF REVENGE A BIT, THERE IS A PRACTICAL CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE MAKING ENDORSEMENTS, RECEIVING ENDORSEMENTS, AND NOT GETTING ENDORSEMENTS.

IF YOU LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY WHO GIVES OUT ENDORSEMENTS LIKE PARTY FAVORS, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT YOU.

THERE IS A LONG-STANDING TRADITION OF REVENGE MASSACHUSETTS POLITICS.

THERE IS ALSO A LONG-STANDING TRADITION OF, YOU KNOW, SORT OF YOU HELP ME AND I'LL HELP YOU.

>> Braude: LET'S MOVE TO THE GOVERNOR'S RACE FOR A SECOND.

GEOFF DIEHLÑi OBVIOUSLYçó BEAT HIM, JOAN VENNOCHI, ONE OF THE CRITICAL ISSUES THAT WILL BE FACED BY GEOFF DIEHL IS HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH DONALD TRUMP.

SO MARGERY EAGAN AND I ASKED, I THINK, THE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS.

AND IT IS A RATHER LONG BITE FROM OUR RADIO SHOW.

BUT THE FIRST VOICEçó PEOPLE WILL HEAR IS MARGORIE'S AND THEN MINE.

AND HERE IS THIS BACK AND FORTH WHETHER OR NOT HE THOUGHT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN INçó 2020.

HERE IT IS.

>> DO YOU THINK JOEÑi BIDEN WON THE ELECTION?

>> (laughing) HE WASçó CERTIFIED, OBVIOUSLY.

>> DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN WON OR NOT?

>> HE WAS CERTIFIED.

>> THIS IS A YES OR NO QUESTION.

FORGET CERTIFICATION.

IS HE THE LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

>> HE IS THE PRESIDENT, OF COURSE.

>> WAS THE ELECTION STOLEN FROM DONALD TRUMP, YES OR NO?

>> I FELT THERE WAS RIGGING GOING ON AND IT WASN'T JUST BALLOTS.

>> WAS IT STOLEN FROM -- >> WHAT IS IS STOLEN.

THE STATE CERTIFIED HE IS PRESIDENT.

>> Braude: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

WAS JOE BIDEN LEGITIMATELY CERTIFIED IN THE STATES?

>> YES.

>> Braude: JOAN VENNOCHI, HE WEN(ó ON TO SAY HEçó WOULDÑiñrj]T(J THE INSURRECTION.

HE IS NOT THAT MUCH OUT OF THEçó MAINSTREAM -- HE MAY BE ON TRUMP, AND HE MAY BE AS AN ANTI-CHOICE CANDIDATE -- CAN HE SURVIVE THAT KIND OF POSITION ON TRUMP?

>> THIS IS WHY I WOULD NEVER BE A POLITICAL CONSULTANU I WOULD BE TELLINGÑi HIM TO PIVOT NOW.

ISN'T THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM AFTER YOU WIN YOUR PRIMARY, YOU START TO REFRAME YOUR MESSAGE AND HEAD A LITTLE TO THE CENTER.

MAURA HEALEY CERTAINLY IS DOING THAT.

SHE DID THAT LAST NIGHT IN HER VICTORY SPEECH.

BUT WHATEVER THE REASON, HE IS MARCHING TO A DIFFERENT DRUMMER.

TO ME, THAT DRUMMER IS TAKE HIM OVER A CLIFF.

BUT MAYBE HWó KNOWS SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.

>> Braude: YAWU, I TEND TO AGREE WITH JOAN, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, THIS STATE HAS A HISTORY OF LI SOME BALANCEÑi INÑi LEGISLATURE, ALMOST NO REPUBLICAN SEATS, AND THEY LIKE A LITTLE BALANCE IN THE CORNER OFFICE.

IS IT LIKELY THEY COULD OVERLOOK -- TRUMP IS NOT POPULAR HER, AND THE RIGHTPa&!

& POPULAR HERE -- ARE THOSE THINGS THAT GEOFF DIEHL CAN OVERCOME?

OR NO?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

TRUMP LOST BY A LANDSLIDE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES GENERALLY DO QUITE POORLY HERE THROUGHOUT HISTORY.

I DON'T THINK THERE HAS BEEN -- THAT ENOUGH HAS CHANGED IN MASSACHUSETTS IN ORDERÑi FOR GEOFF DIEHL TO OVERCOME THAT.

I AGREE WITH JOAN.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT HIS END GAME IS.

IF HE WERE FOCUSED ON WINNING, I THINK HE WOULD HAVE PIVOTED AND BECOME MORE OF THE MODERATE REPUBLICAN THAT HAS3 TRADITIONALLY WON IN MASSACHUSETTS.

>> Braude: SPEAKING OF MODERATE AND WHAT YOU SAID AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW, JOAN, ABOUT SOME PROGRESSIVES BEING UNHAPPY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC SLATE, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MAURA HEALEY SAID LAST NIGHT THAT MAY HAVE CAUSED THATÑi FEELING.

HERE ARE TWO I THINK MOSTñr OFÑi US IDENTIFIED.Ñi HERE IS MAUR HE'LL HOOL MAURA HEALEYçó DURING HER VICTORY STATE.

>> HE HAS REFUSED TO ENGAGE IN THE POLITICS OF DIVISION AND OBSTRUCTION THAT WE HAVE SEEN ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

It( THANK HIM FOR THAT AND FOR HIS SERVICE OF THIS STATE.

THE PEOPLE VOTED TO GIVE EVERYONE IN THE STATE TAX RELIEF IF THE STATE HAD REVENUE, AND IT APPEARS WE DO.

SO THE PEOPLE SHOULD GET THE MONEY BACK.

>> Braude: INSTEAD OF GIVING THE $3 BILLION IN A FAIRLY EQUITABLE WAY TO THE TAXPAYERS, SHOULD BEÑi INVESTED INTO SERVICES THAT MATTER ORÑi AT LEAST RETURNED IN A MORE EQUITABLE WAY.

THAT IS THE KIND OF PIVOTING THAT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS GENERALLY DO, BUT YOU SUGGESTEDED THAT GEOFF DIEHL DID NOT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

MAURA HEALEY KNOWS THAT CHARLIE BAKER'S FAVORABLE IS 73%.

PEOPLE OF MASSACHUSETTS LIKE HIM.

THEY LIKE THE WAY HE GOVERNED.

THEY LIKE WHAT HE STANDS FOR, AND TAX RELIEF IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

IT IS TRUE WE HAVE ALL OF THIS MONEY.

AND THERE IS A LAW, ANDÑi IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEÑi LAW, REPEAL IT.

>> Braude: WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF SECONDS HERE LEFT.

I'LL QUOTEçó FOR JOAN VENNOCHI.çó SHE SAID CHARLIE BAKER WAS 73%.

ITÑi MENTIONED DEADLYçóçó BUREAUCRATIC SCREW-UPS AT THE HOLYOKE SOLDIER'S HOME.

ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT THIS GOVERNOR IS ESSENTIALLY LOVED BY THE PEOPLE OF MASSACHUSETTS?

>> ARE YOU ASKING ME?

>> Braude: NO.

I READ YOU.

I SAID WHAT YOU SAID.

I'M ASKING YAWU.

>> I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SQUARE WITH MY OWN SENSE.

BUT I THINK JOAN VENNOCHI NAILED IT WHEN SHE SAID HE IS TALL.5÷4j4jDd LIKE.

[LAUGHTER] >> HE IS VERY TALL.

>> Braude: YAWU, I'M VERY TALL AND YOU SHOULD READ MYxD TEXT AND E-MAILS.

AND YOU WOULDN'T FEEL THE SAME WAY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.ÑiÑi IS THE.

>> Braude: WHAT DO YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE LATEST NEW NORMS ABOUT COVID?

WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AND MORE ATÑiÑi 7:00.

THANKS FOR WATCHING, AND PLEASEÑi DON'T FORGET UKRAINE.

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