>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON": TYRONE CLARK WAS CONVICTED OF RAPE AT 18 AND HAS SERVED NEARLY 50 YEARS IN JAIL, BUT THE SURVIVOR OF THE CRIME NOW HAS DOUBTS ABOUT WHETHER SHE IDENTIFIED THE RIGHT MAN, AND AS A RESULT, SUFFOLK COUNTY D.A.

RACHAEL ROLLINS IS SUPPORTING CLARK'S MOVE TO OVERTURN HIS CONVICTION.

ROLLINS JOINS ME FOR THAT AND A REVIEW OF HER TIME AS D.A., AS SHE AWAITS A SENATE HEARING ON HER NOMINATION TO BE MASSACHUSETTS U.S. ATTORNEY.

THEN, LATER, THE DIRECTOR OF A NEW DOCUMENTARY ABOUT MASS MOCA, OR THE MASSACHUSETTS MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART, AND THE CITY IT GAVE NEW LIFE TO, NORTH ADAMS.

♪♪ >> Braude: IN 1974, TYRONE CLARK WAS SENTENCED TO LIFE IN PRISON FOR A RAPE HE'S ALWAYS MAINTAINED HE DID NOT COMMIT.

A CONVICTION THAT CAME, IN LARGE PART, BECAUSE THE RAPE SURVIVOR IDENTIFIED HIM AS HER ATTACKER.

BUT A FEW MONTHS BACK, THAT SURVIVOR TOLD GBH NEWS SHE WAS WORRIED SHE MAY HAVE IDENTIFIED THE WRONG MAN.

IT WAS THE FIRST TIME SHE WENT PUBLIC WITH THE CONCERN THAT SHE'D ALSO PREVIOUSLY REPORTED TO A JUDGE AND THE STATE'S PAROLE BOARD.

AFTER THAT, CLARK'S LAWYERS ASKED THE JUDGE TO GRANT HIM A NEW TRIAL.

AND NOW SUFFOLK COUNTY D.A.

RACHAEL ROLLINS IS BACKING HIM UP.

SHE FILED A MOTION FRIDAY, AGREEING WITH THE REQUEST AND PLEDGING TO DROP THE CHARGES ALTOGETHER IF A JUDGE SIGNS OFF ON THE NEW TRIAL, WHICH WOULD LIKELY SET CLARK FREE AFTER SPENDING 48 YEARS BEHIND BARS.

HIS CONVICTION IS ONE OF SEVERAL ROLLINS HAS MOVED TO OVERTURN SINCE TAKING OFFICE AFTER HER STAFF BEGAN A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF OLD CASES.

AND THAT REVIEW IS ONE OF SEVERAL EFFORTS THE D.A.

's OFFICE IS LOOKING BACK ON IN A NEW ANALYSIS THAT TAKES STOCK OF THE FIRST TWO PLUS YEARS OF HER TERM AS SUFFOLK COUNTY TOP PROSECUTOR.

IT'S BILLED AS A "MIDTERM REPORT."

BUT IT MAY ALSO END UP SERVING AS A FINAL REPORT OF ROLLINS' TENURE AS D.A.

IN JULY, PRESIDENT BIDEN TAPPED HER TO SERVE AS HIS U.S. ATTORNEY FOR MASSACHUSETTS, AND SHE'S NOW AWAITING A HEARING IN THE SENATE.

RACHAEL ROLLINS JOINS ME NOW.

BUT I SHOULD NOTE, AS THE CONFIRMATION PROCESS IS STILL ONGOING, WE'VE AGREED TO KEEP THIS CONVERSATION FOCUSED ON THE JOB SHE HOLDS NOW.

>> Braude: DISTRICT ATTORNEY, IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

>> Braude: SO THE SURVIVOR IN THIS TYRONE CLARK CASE, DID NOT SAY IT WAS NOT TYRONE CLARK, BUT SHE WAS NOT SURE THAT IT WAS.

SO IS YOUR POSITION BASED ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE HIS INNOCENCE OR HE IS JUST NOT GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT?

>> I BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE IS AN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE AN EYE WITNESS, A VICTIM, HAS ESSENTIALLY RECANTED THEIR STATEMENT.

IT SPEAKS, I THINK, TO THE CHARACTER OF THIS INDIVIDUAL TO HAVE ENDURED SUCH A HORRIFIC SITUATION, AND NOW, ON HER OWN, YOU KNOW, WRITING A LETTER TO PAROLE, MAKING IT CLEAR THAT SHE WAS NOT LONGER SURE, THAT THIS WAS IN FACT THE INDIVIDUAL.

AND AFTER THAT HAPPENED, AS WELL AS RECOGNIZING THAT MY OFFICE, THE OFFICE I NOW LEAD, HAD NOT MAINTAINED APPROPRIATELY A SEMEN SAMPLE OR THE UNDERWEAR THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY EXONERATED OR INCULPATED THIS INDIVIDUAL, WE COULDN'T REAP THE BENEFIT OF OUR ERROR.

SO WE OPTED TO ASSENT TO THE MOTION.

>> Braude: BUT DO YOU THINK HE IS INNOCENT OF THIS CHARGE?

>> I THINK HE DID NOT -- I DON'T COMMENT ON INNOCENCE OR GUILT.

THAT'S UP TO HIM TO SAY.

WHAT I CAN SAY IS I WILL NO LONGER STAND BEHIND THIS CONVICTION, AND I BELIEVE WE MISHANDLED EVIDENCE, EVEN BACK ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO.

THE STANDARDS WERE THERE AND WE DIDN'T MEET THEM.

>> Braude: THE SURVIVOR SEEMS TO THINK THAT RACISM MAY BE INVOLVED.

CLARK IS BLACK.

SHE IS WHITE.

SHE ACKNOWLEDGES SHE HAD VERY LITTLE CONTACT WITH BLACK PEOPLE AT TIME, AND THIS I AN ALL-WHITE JURY.

DO YOU THINK THIS CASE IS TAINTED BY RACISM?

>> WHAT WE KNOW NOW, JIM, BACK IN THE '70s, EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY WAS THE GOLD STANDARD.

WE KNOW IN 2021, WE STILL USE EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY, BUT IT IS QUESTIONED.

AND WHEN YOU ADD TO THAT CROSS-RACIAL SITUATIONS, WHERE THERE WERE INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE COME IN CONTACT OFTEN IN THEIR LIVES WITH A DIFFERENT RACE, THEY ARE EVEN MORE PROBLEMATIC.

I AM NEVER HAPPY WHEN I HEAR A JURY OF ALL ONE RACE, AND WE ALL KNOW IT IS ONLY ALL WHITE PEOPLE, IF I ASKED YOU TO CLOSE YOUR EYES AND ASKED YOU TO THINK ABOUT A WHITE PERSON BEING FOUND GUILTY AN ALL BLACK PANEL, YOU WOULD LAUGH BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

SO THERE WAS, FUNDAMENTALLY, UNFAIRNESS IN THIS TRIAL.

BUT I THINK THE EXTRAORDINARY PIECE THAT BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION IS THIS SURVIVOR, HER LETTER TO PAROLE.

>> Braude: SO EVEN IF YOU AND MR. CLARK ARE SUCCESSFUL, THE KIDNAPPING AND ROBBERY CONVICTIONS STAND, BUT I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN IN JAIL FOR MOST OF HALF A CENTURY, HE WOULD LIKELY BE RELEASED.

BUT AS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORMER, LIKE YOU ARE, I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT A STATE, WHAT A GOVERNMENT OWES SOMEBODY WHO HAS TAKEN 50 YEARS OF THEIR LIFE.

WHAT'S THE MAX?

HE CAN GET A HALF MILLION BUCKS IF HE JUMPS THROUGH HURDLES, WHICH ARE DIFFICULT HURDLES TO JUMP THROUGH.

YOU CAN NEVER MAKE SOMEONE WHOLE.

WHAT DOES A GOVERNMENT OWE SOMEBODY WHOSE LIFE THEY HAVE TAKEN?

>> THIS IS THE VERY CRUX OF WHY WE STARTED THE INTEGRITY REVIEW IN MY OFFICE.

WE HAVE UNDONE OVER 300 YEARS OF WRONGFUL CONVICTIONS.

AND FIRST AND FOREMOST WHAT I THINK THE GOVERNMENT OWES THEM IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SCREAMS AND YELLS OF IT WASN'T ME OR THIS WASN'T FAIR.

WE'RE MINISTERS OF JUSTICE, JIM.

I GET IT, I'M THE PROSECUTOR, BUT IF IT IS THE COMMONWEALTH VERSUS JIM BRAUDE, THE COMMONWEALTH REPRESENTS THE VICTIM, THE COMMUNITY, THE WITNESSES, AND JIM BRAUDE.

JIM BRAUDE GETS HIS OWN LAWYER, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONVICTIONS WE SECURE ARE DONE ETHICALLY, DONE PURSUANT TO OUR CONSTITUTION, AND WILL WITHSTAND SCRUTINY.

AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS, AT THE VERY LEAST THEY DESERVE AN APOLOGY.

AND WE HAVE AT TIMES TAKEN THE EXTRAORDINARY MEASURE OF WRITING A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THEM WHEN THEY PLEAD TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR THE $1 MILLION YOU'RE ENTITLED TO, OUR A 1983 CLAIM, WHICH IS WHAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENS IF THEY BELIEVE THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED, AND THEY CAN FILE THAT IN FEDERAL COURT.

BUT WHAT WE DO IS SAY WE WERE WRONG WHEN WE WERE WRONG, AT THE VERY LEAST.

>> Braude: THAT INTEGRITY REVIEW BUREAU, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM YOUR REPORT, 10 PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR CONVICTIONS OVERTURNED, OVER A TOTAL OF 321 YEARS SERVED, AND INCLUDED IN THAT GROUP IS SOMEONE EVERYONE WATCHING THE SHOW KNOWS, SEAN ELLIS.

TELL US BRIEFLY, IF YOU CAN, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, WHAT ELSE SHOULD MATTER TO THE PUBLIC AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORMERS THAT YOU'VE OVERSEEN IN YOUR TWO AND A HALF YEARS ON THE JOB?

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT.

WHEN WE HAVE A JAMES WATSON AND FRED CLAY CASE, WHERE WITNESSES WERE HYPNOTIZED, AND THAT'S HOW THEY TESTIFIED.

NO ONE SHOULD BE WILLING TO STAND BEHIND THOSE CONVICTIONS.

I'M ALSO PROUD OF OUR INTEGRITY TEAM.

WE WORK HARD TO HAVE A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, A RETIRED JUDGE, A COMMUNITY MEMBER, AND AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT ASSISTS ME IN THE INVESTIGATION OF EVERY OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING.

I'M REALLY PROUD OF MY EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS A MIRROR IMAGE OF SUFFOLK ACCOUNT,COUNTY, WHICH WE ALL SHOULD STRIVE FOR.

AND I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF MY EXCEPTIONAL STAFF.

A STAFF THAT I DID INHERIT, BUT MANY THAT I BROUGHT ON BOARD, THAT WORK EVERY DAY TO HELP THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT?

ULTIMATELY, YES, WE ARE PROSECUTORS, BUT WE WORK REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING HOLISTICALLY, WITH WRAP-AROUND SERVICES FOR MANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT COME IN CONTACT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

80% OF THOSE PEOPLE, JIM, NON-VIOLENT, NON-SERIOUS CRIMES IN THE MUNICIPAL AND DISTRICT COURTS.

AND THEN, ABSOLUTELY, I'M GOING TO COME AS HARD AS I CAN TO MAKE SURE WE GET ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE VIOLENT SERIOUS CRIMES.

PART OF WHY I WROTE THE ROLLINS' MEMO, AND THE 15 CRIMES I WANTED TO DIVERT, DISMISS, OR DECLINE, SO I COULD FOCUS MYOPICLY ON THE SERIOUS CRIMES, LIKE YESTERDAY IN JAMAICA PLAINS.

>> Braude: WHAT HAVE YOU GOTTEN WRONG THAT YOU WISH YOU COULD UNDO OR LEARN FROM?

>> GOODNESS.

YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE MY URGENCY SOMETIMES IS VERY WELL-INTENDED, FOR SURE, AND I REMAIN URGENT BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE DECADES BEHIND WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT I FEEL AS IF I'M A TODDLER -- REMEMBER, I'M 50 YEARS OLD IN HUMAN YEARS, I'M 20 YEARS OLD AS A LAWYER, AND THREE YEARS OLD AS YOUR D.A., AND I ABSOLUTELY THINK I TAKE A SECOND TO BREATHE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE I RESPOND.

BUT I AM FIERCEFULLY PROUD OF THE WORK NOT JUST ME, BUT THE EXCEPTIONAL INDIVIDUALS, A.D.A.s, VICTIM WITNESS ADVOCATES, OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM COMES, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS -- ALL OF OUR TEAMS ARE WORKING REALLY HARD FOR SUFFOLK COUNTY AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS.

IT IS THE STATE POLICE, BOSTON POLICE, AND TRANSIT.

>> Braude: HOW FAR HAVE YOU GOTTEN WITH GOVERNOR BAKER, TO HAVE HIM CHOOSE DAN MULHERN, WHO SHOULD REPLACE YOU SHOULD YOU BECOME U.S. ATTORNEY?

>> WHAT IS FASCINATING TO ME,, -- I WORKED VERY HARD TO BECOME THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF SUFFOLK COUNTY.

I HAD AN EXCEPTIONAL CAMPAIGN TEAM.

WE WON WITH A SIGNIFICANT MANDATE, OVER 40% IN THE PRIMARY, 80% IN THE GENERAL.

SO WHAT I WANT IS SOMEBODY WHO IS QUALIFIED TO DO THIS JOB.

WHAT IS NOT GOING TO BE POSITIVE IS IF THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, NO EXPERIENCE AS A PROSECUTOR, RIGHT, NO EXPERIENCE AS A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE, IF ANY, IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT MOST OFTEN COME IN CONTACT WITH OUR CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM, TO BE PUT IN CHARGE OF THIS OFFICE.

RIGHT NOW, JIM, WE HAVE AN ACTING MAYOR.

WE HAVE AN ACTING COMMISSIONER IN BOSTON.

AND WHETHER IT IS MAYOR JANEY OR SOME OTHER MAYOR, THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEW COMMISSIONER OF POLICE.

THAT IS NOT STABILITY.

WE NEED A STABLE FORCE IN THE D.A.

's OFFICE, SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN THERE FROM DAY ONE.

AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT ANY LEADER SHOULD HAVE THEIR NUMBER TWO BE ABLE TO STEP IN IF THEY LEAVE, IMMEDIATELY.

AND I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT DAN IS NOT ONLY CULTURALLY COMPETENT, BUT INCREDIBLY QUALIFIED TO DO THIS JOB, AND HE HAS BEEN WITH ME DAY ONE, IMPLEMENTING OUR POLICIES.

HE IS KNOWN BY NOT ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT EVERY COMMUNITY I WALK INTO, PEOPLE KNOW HIM.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THOUGH I'VE HEARD SOME GOOD NAMES, I AM VERY CONFIDENT THAT MY NUMBER TWO, DANNY MULHERN, IS GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD D.A.

>> Braude: 10 SECONDS, HAS GOVERNOR GIVEN YOU ANY INDICATION HE IS GOING TO FOLLOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION?

>> GOVERNOR BAKER AND I TALKING ABOUT MANY IMPORTANT THINGS NOW.

I AM CONFIDENT I WILL BE HAVING FURTHER CONVERSATIONS.

AND ALTHOUGH IT IS UP TO HIM, I'M HOPING I CAN BE PERSUASIVE.

>> Braude: RACHAEL ROLLINS, IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

>> Braude: MUSEUMS DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS: THEY PRESERVE HISTORY, GIVE US INSIGHT INTO DIFFERENT IDEAS AND CULTURES, AND HELP US THINK MORE DEEPLY ABOUT THE WORLD AROUND US.

BUT THEY CAN ALSO REVITALIZE A REGION, LIKE THE BERKSHIRES TOWN OF NORTH ADAMS, ONCE A STRUGGLING MILL TOWN THAT GOT A NEW BREATH OF LIFE FROM THE MASSACHUSETTS MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART, BETTER KNOWN TO MANY AS MASS MOCA.

A NEW DOCUMENTARY EXPLORES JUST HOW A BUNCH OF RUN-DOWN, ABANDONED FACTORY BUILDINGS BECAME THE LARGEST MUSEUM FOR CONTEMPORARY ART IN THE WORLD AND WHAT THE TRANSFORMATION MEANT FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN AND CAME FROM NORTH ADAMS.

>> MY GRANDMOTHER WORKED FOR 47 YEARS IN THIS BUILDING AS AN IMMIGRANT TO THIS COUNTRY, KNOWING THAT HER CHILDREN AND HER GRANDCHILDREN WOULD HAVE A BETTER LIFE.

THAT'S WHAT WAS BUILT IN THESE BUILDINGS, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE CHARACTER THAT IS EMBEDDED IN THESE BUILDINGS.

>> Braude: THE FILM IS CALLED "MUSEUM TOWN," NARRATED BY THE GREAT MERYL STREEP!

IT PREMIERES TONIGHT HERE ON GBH, AND IT'S THE FIRST FOR DIRECTOR JENNIFER TRAINER, ONE OF THE KEY PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT THE MASS MOCA VISION TO LIFE AND WORKED THERE FOR 28 YEARS AS ITS FIRST DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT.

JENNIFER TRAINER JOINS ME NOW.

>> Braude: JENNIFER, IT IS GOOD TO MEET YOU, CONGRATULATIONS ON A GREAT FILM.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Braude: WHEN THE IDEA WAS HATCHED IN THE MID-'80s BY TOM KERN, TO CONVERT THIS HUGE ELECTRIC PLANT INTO A HUGE MUSEUM, WHAT WAS THE STATE OF NORTH AD AD DRAMS.

>> SPRAGUE'S HAD JUST LEFT.

4,000 WORKED AT SPRAGUE'S, SO IT WAS LIKE THE PLUG HAD BEEN PULLED ON THE ENTIRE ECONOMY.

IT WAS IN VERY BAD STATE.

>> Braude: DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE ECONOMY NEEDED A JOLT, THERE WAS SKEPTICISM, WHICH I THINK IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT, FROM THE MAYOR ON DOWN.

HERE IS JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF THIS INCREDIBLE PERSON.

>> I STARTED WORKING AT SPRAGUE'S IN 1943.

ALL OF THE FELLOWS WERE GOING INTO THE SERVICE AND THEY NEEDED WOMEN TO WORK.

SO THEY CAME TO HIGH SCHOOL, AND IF YOUR GRADES WERE UP, YOU COULD GET OUT OF SCHOOL EARLY, AND THAT'S HOW MOST OF US STARTED WORKING AT SPRAGUE'S.

I WORKED THERE 43 YEARS, AND THAT'S THE ONLY JOB I EVER HAD.

>> Braude: ULTIMATELY SHE COMES AROUND AND BECOMES A VOLUNTEER.

ONE OF HER GREAT LINES LATER, SHE IS LOOKING AT AN EXHIBIT, HE SAYS, "IS THAT PART OF SOMETHING, OR IS THAT IT?"

WHICH I TOTALLY LOVE.

WHAT DID TURN THE SKEPTICS AROUND, JENNIFER?

>> FIRST I WOULD SAY, CONTEMPORARY ART WAS ABOUT AS POPULAR AS CAMEL WRESTLING.

[LAUGHTER] >> THE PEOPLE OF NORTH ADAMS, LIKE JANE SWIFT, HER PARENTS WORKED THERE, HER GREAT GRANDPARENTS WORKED THERE.

THEY WANTED ANOTHER FACTORY.

CONTEMPORARY ART WAS NOT ON ANYBODY'S RADAR.

WHEN I FIRST MET RUTH, I ASKED HER WHAT SHE THOUGHT OF THE IDEA OF A CONTEMPORARY ART MUSEUM.

AND SHE SAID, "NOT MUCH."

SO I THINK THAT INITIALLY WHAT TURNED PEOPLE AROUND WAS THAT THERE WAS NO OTHER OPTION.

THEY SORT OF BEGRUDGINGLY ACCEPTED IT.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS I MADE THIS FILM IS BECAUSE I FELT LIKE I WAS WITNESS TO THIS EXTRAORDINARY STORY THAT JUST -- IT WAS A PUCK TO THE MOON.

>> Braude: WELL, YOU GOT TO THE MOON, I SHOULD SAY.

ANOTHER OBSTACLE AMONG THE LOCAL SKEPTICS, MIKE DUKAKAS WAS A BIG SUPPORTER, $35 MILLION OF STATE MONEY.

HIS SUCCESSOR, BILL WELD, NOT SO MUCH.

AND THEN JANE SWIFT, THE SENATOR, AND OTHERS CONVINCED HIM TO COME OUT AND SEE THE PLACE.

IT WAS AN EXHIBIT BY THIS GUY, WHO ACTUALLY WAS ON THE SHOW LAST YEAR, THAT MAY HAVE HELPED TURN WELD AROUND.

HERE HE IS.

>> I THINK I COULD DO SOMETHING THAT WORKS IN A RAW SPACE.

SO I MADE A PROPOSAL.

A KIND OF VERBAL COLLAGE OF SELF-HELP TAPES, MOTIVATIONAL SPEECHES AND RAP LYRICS.

SHE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE OLD LADY READING THESE GANGSTER RAP LYRICS, SOMETIMES REALLY JARRING, AND SOMETIMES DISTURBING BECAUSE IT SOUNDED REALLY CUTE.

>> Braude: AS DISTURBING AS IT WAS, APPARENTLY IT, OR HE, TURNED BILL WELD AROUND.

WHAT DID DO IT WITH GOVERNOR WELD?

>> YOU KNOW, IT WAS AMAZING.

HERE YOU'VE GOT DUKAKAS, WHO IS A DEMOCRAT, AND WELD COMES IN AND HE IS SORT OF A WHITE-SHIRT REPUBLICAN, YOU KNOW, PATRIARCH.

HE WAS ON HIS WAY TO HIS FAMILY'S HUNTING CAMP IN THE ADIRONDACKS, AND HE STOPPED BY.

AND HE ASKED TO SEE WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO.

AND WE SHOWED HIM THIS, AND AS DAVID BURNE EXPRESSES, IT WAS A LITTLE RAUNCHY.

AND HE SAID TO US, SO IF I GRANT YOU $35 MILLION, IS THIS THE KIND OF ART THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW?

AND WE SORT OF SAID, YEP.

AND HE SAID -- AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT HE SAID, BUT THE KEY IS THAT HE WAS A BIG TALKING HEAD SPAN.

>> Braude: BY THE WAY, HE HUNTED WILD BOAR AT HIS PLACE IN THE ADIRONDACKS.

I SHOULD HAVE SAID UP FRONT, WE HAVE LIMITED TIME, THOUGH, THIS WHOLE STORY IS WEAVED AROUND THE IMMENSE AND POWERFUL INSTALLATION OF NICK CAVE, WHICH WAS SURREAL.

YOU'LL GET TO SEE THE CREATION OF THAT LITERALLY FROM MOMENT ONE IN THIS FILM.

SO IT OPENS, IT PROSPERS, IT BECOMES A PERFORMANCE CENTER, A HUGE, HUGE AND BEAUTIFUL AND POWERFUL MUSEUM.

AND WHAT HAPPENS TO NORTH ADAMS AS A RESULT, JENNIFER?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, NORTH ADAMS IS CERTAINLY A LOT BETTER THAN IT WAS.

MASMASS MOCA BRINGS SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND VISITORS TO NORTH ADAMS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

AND THE BERKSHIRES ARE A CULTURAL ECONOMY.

THEY NEVER CAME TO NORTH ADAMS.

SO THAT GAVE NORTH ADAMS A LUCRATIVE AVENUE.

THE STORY IS NOT OVER.

IT IS NOT THAT WE DID IT, IT IS DONE, THANK YOU.

I WANTED TO SHOW HOW HARD IT IS TO DO THAT, AND HOW IT IS NEVER SO CLEAR-CUT.

IT IS COMPLICATED TO WEAVE A CONTEMPORARY ART CULTURE INTO A BLUE-COLLAR TOWN.

>> Braude: YOU TOLD A BEAUTIFUL STORY, JENNIFER.

THANKS SO MUCH.

AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO WATCH IT TONIGHT.

NICE TO MEET YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Braude: YOU CAN WATCH "MUSEUM TOWN" TONIGHT ON GBH.

THAT'S IT FOR THIS SHOW.

THANKS OCH FOR SO MUCH FOR WATCHING, AND PLEASE STAY SAFE.

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