Yeah, you can actually use a little more at the bottom, but if you only have - Yeah, wait, wait, we need, we need, hold on, wait.

We are, it's makeup and - Wait, Wait, wait, wait.

Take one, WHRO.

Three women.

Thanks.

What, you almost took her nose off.

Two and a half women.

Nobody waits.

Two minus a nose.

Wait a minute.

No, now it's crooked.

There you go.

Yeah, do that.

Okay, there you go.

Okay.

Thank you.

Somebody who really feels creative, talk first and then, because, because I know what I do is creative.

Creating something is not my objective.

Oh.

My objective is not being bored.

My objective is, is living in other worlds other than my mundane everyday life.

I have always said I'm incapable of making up a story.

If I don't dream it, it doesn't happen.

Huh.

But if I dream of a basic plot, then I get to live in that place for a while and watch the characters walking around in my head and look and see what they're doing and a story comes out and it keeps me mentally engaged.

Interesting you say that because I paint women a lot.

Uh-huh.

And I get to create a creature.

It's not three dimensional, but in my mind it kind of is.

Yeah.

You know?

I'm, I'm, I get to make her eyes whatever color and her hair.

I can make her dress or make her wearing cowboy boots or whatever I want.

It's absolutely creating something and I can't help but smile when I'm Parenting.

Ah, okay.

Yeah.

I've always got a little smirk on my face when I make one on hers.

Yeah.

So come on, what about you?

Well, I've always liked making things.

I think from depression era parents, you know, are always making stuff out of found stuff.

But when I found pottery, when I found clay, it really hit me.

Working in clay is just chaos.

There are all these things that need to be cared for, but when I'm working, that's when I get more and more ideas.

Oh yeah, sure.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

And I love the idea of people taking it home and using it.

Yeah.

And the tactile feeling they get.

That's, that's really enjoyable to me.

I don't know where I get my inspiration.

I just go in the room and I just start.

I'm working on a woman the other day and I like her.

She's sitting in an interesting position and she has a beautiful dress.

I'm like, "Man, she needs just a little bit more light on her face."

And then I got putting a light on her face, then her shoulder, and then her other shoulder and it's got to be on the hand and then on the dress.

The next thing I know, three hours later, I was, I feel pretty good about it.

I didn't start out well.

My mother left us and my father died when I was a baby.

My and uncle adopted me, my sister and brother, sisters and brother and I didn't get together till I was 12 and so it's, it's been, it's been a kind of a weird road.

My husband committed suicide, shut himself in the head and let me to find him and that was a tough one, believe me.

This is my healing place.

I moved here when I was at Smith Beach, I couldn't paint anymore.

If I'm sad, I can put it out and make something happy.

Don't expect flowers to bloom when your heart's a volcano.

So I have been goofing off for 50 years and playing, painting little pictures and love and life.

Every single thing that I've written in one way or another was because I wanted to know something.

It's not my identity.

I was a model once, I was a dancer once, I was a psychotherapist once, I was an animal behaviorist once, I was a medical writer once.

Now I'm this kind of writer.

It's something I do and it's fun and I like it.

And if I'm not doing it right now, then I'm not doing it.

If I never do it again as long as other things are engaging me, then I'm happy.

I supported myself primarily with medical writing and this stuff sort of was a hobby that financed itself until some of them started really selling, but I couldn't count on that.

My best selling book is something called The Period Book.

It took 30 years, but it's still in print and it has sold over half a million and that's only in the US and Canada a book on getting your period for little girls.

I was dragged here by the ex.

And I didn't want to be here.

We just moved back from Africa and I was, I think I've mentioned before, I was just happy to drink tap water.

My husband and I had been together for 30 some years.

At the height of my wood firing I developed in 2017 a blood cancer.

When I was diagnosed, he just, his great response to that was to have an affair.

And so then he went to South America to find himself.

Eventually, I had to have a double lung transplant at the time it was very complicated, no more wood fires.

We heated part of the house and my studio with wood stove, no more.

It was kind of sad.

I did have this problem, like, what am I gonna do?

I focused then on porcelain.

The only thing I really liked in electric kilns is porcelain.

It's not quite as luminescent, but it still has that quality.

I'm, I'm a visual person.

So I use my pottery in the kitchen and I give it as gifts.

I see it all the time and it's, it's very pleasing to me.

It's just part of my daily life.

I used to live in a French, with a Frenchman in a s - in a Caribbean.

In St.

Martin on a boat.

Mm.

And he used to say, "Appetite comes while eating."

And it's the same thing with creating.

You know, energy comes while creating energy.

Being this far along in our, I don't know, career, I feel more free.

Oh, yeah.

And definitely more free, more confident.

I think you know, I'm not trying to please anyone anymore.

Right, right.

So I feel like I've had some validation.

Well, it's a good community overall.

I mean, it's a good, it's a good place to be.

I can't tell you how many people that I have as friends are artists by trade, and that's, that's really unusual.

Well, it is beautiful and it makes a big difference to be living in just you look out your window and it's pretty.

You get on that bridge, it's like, phew.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Doesn't it feel good?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm home.

Yeah.

So nice.

I thought it was going to be very difficult to leave New York, but New York's a young person's town.

It's a very much a young person's town and all of a sudden over is over and I didn't mind leaving at all.

You know, why do we keep doing it?

Why not?

Right.

It's fun.

That's right.

And if you're having fun, why wouldn't you?

My advice would be just don't stop.

Try anything, everything.

That's right.

Just keep, keep- Keep your mind open and just let it happen, you know?

And don't let anybody tell you it's wrong.

There is no wrong.

God, I don't know.

I had no idea we would be interesting for this long.

I know.

I don't know if we have been.

Yeah, I don't know that we have been.

I've had a better life than most people that I know, really.

And I, I appreciate that.