>> THE CONTROVERSIAL GUNSHOT DETECTION TECHNOLOGY SHOTSPOTTER IS ON ITS WAY OUT.

MAYOR BRANDON JOHNSON ANNOUNCED THE CITY'S CONTRACT SHOTSPOTTER IS SET TO END IN SEPTEMBER AFTER A LAST-MINUTE DECISION ON WHETHER TO RENEW THE DEAL AND CONFUSION ABOUT WHEN THE AGREEMENT WOULD ACTUALLY END SHOTSPOTTER HAS THE BACKING OF THE CITY'S TOP COP.

BUT IT'S BEEN CRITICIZED FOR BEING INEFFECTIVE AND CONTRIBUTING TO OVER POLICING IN ANOTHER POLICE RELATED MOVE.

THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A SECOND TIME REJECTED A PROPOSAL FOR CERTAIN POLICE DISCIPLINARY HEARINGS TO BE PRIVATE.

JOINING US TO DIVE DEEPER INTO THESE ISSUES ARE ALDERMAN ANDREA VASQUEZ OF THE 40TH WARD ON THE NORTH SIDE AND ALDERMAN ANTHONY NAPOLITANO OF THE 40 FORT 41ST WARD ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THAT.

THE 40TH 41ST HERE.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING SO STARTING WITH SHOTSPOTTER AS WE MENTIONED, THE CITY SIGNED A 7 MONTH EXTENSION OF THE CONTRACT FOLLOWED BY A 2 MONTH TRANSITION PERIOD.

>> ALDERMAN NAPOLITANO OVER TO YOU FIRST.

WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO >> I'M GLAD THERE'S AN I THINK THIS IS A TOOL THAT WE NEED AS WE'RE LOSING POLICE OFFICERS JUST SHOW THIS THIS TOOL WORKS.

WE HAVE LESS OFFICERS ON THE STREET.

TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE A PART OF THIS.

NOW THE SHOTSPOTTER HAS PROVEN THAT WE IN 2023 OVER 43,000 REPORTS OF SHOTS FIRED AND THE AMOUNT OF THOSE SHOTS FOR COMES ABOUT 187,000 DIFFERENT ROUNDS THAT HAVE HAVE BEEN LET OFF A DETECTED BY THE NOT ONLY DOES DOES IT HELP TRIANGULATE CRIME IS HAPPENING, BUT ONLY 87% OF PEOPLE ARE CALLING THE POLICE BEHIND THE SHOTS BEING FIRED.

SO THESE ARE SAVING LIFES, TOO.

IF YOU'RE TRYING A LEADING WHERE SHOTS ARE COMING FROM, YOU MIGHT HAVE A VICTIM THAT'S DOWN.

THAT WASN'T CALLED IN BY THE POLICE.

SO IT'S A PROGRAM THAT SHOWS IT DOES WORK.

AND AS A OF BEGINNING, AS WE'RE LOSING OFFICERS, WE NEED MORE TECHNOLOGY TO STEP IN AS WELL.

>> ALDERMAN DESK AS YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS TECHNOLOGY BEING PHASED OUT.

YEAH, I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY THINKS ABOUT AS FAR AS TECHNOLOGY, WE'VE NEVER ACTUALLY DETERMINE WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

SO WHEN YOU TALK TO SHOT SPOTTERS, SOUND THINKING NOW, AT FIRST IT WAS VIOLENCE REDUCTION.

WHAT WE SEE STUDIES SHOW IT DOESN'T REDUCE ANY VIOLENCE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CLEARANCE RATE, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY INCREASED CLEARANCE RATES WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUALLY APPREHENDING PEOPLE.

SO I THINK IF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

BUT BECAUSE THE CITY'S NEVER DETERMINE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, WHAT METRICS?

HOW DO YOU JUDGE SUCCESS TO JUST KEEP PUTTING MONEY AND WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF ANY TECHNOLOGY AND JUST TO RESPONSIBLE WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

>> ALL THE RUNNING OF ALL TIME 2021.

STUDY FROM THE MACARTHUR JUSTICE CENTER SAID THAT ONLY 10% OF SHOTSPOTTER LIKELY EVEN INVOLVED IN ACTUAL ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT TECHNOLOGY COULD BE DEPLOYING OFFICERS TO THE WRONG PLACES IN?

IS THIS TECHNOLOGY WORTH THE COST?

IF RESEARCH HAS BEEN SHOWING THAT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY PICKING UP ON ACTUAL GUNSHOTS?

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

GOT EVEN IF YOU GET A DETECTION.

>> AND IT'S IT'S A FALSE DETECTION.

YOUR LEAST PUTTING OFFICERS IN AREAS.

>> WITH A 9 POINT OUT OF PATROLLED EARLIER, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM EVEN ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE, CHICAGO'S WE HAVE NO OFFICERS.

ALL OF OUR OFFICERS ARE ALLOCATED TO OTHER DISTRICTS, THE LARGEST DISTRICT, THE CITY OF CHICAGO.

IF I HAD AN OFFICER THAT WENT OVER THERE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR IN OUR WARD AREA JUST FOR A FALSE CALL.

THAT'S ONE MORE OFFICER I HAVE.

THAT'S DETERRING CRIME.

SO IT MIGHT NOT PUT YOU THERE ON THE SPOT.

IF YOU SEE THE CRIME THAT OR OR BECAUSE IT'S ACTUAL SHOT OR A BACKFIRE, YOU'RE PUTTING MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN AREAS THAT CRIME PREVENTION.

SO IT'S IT'S IT'S A TOOL THAT COULD HELP.

I THINK I THINK MY COLLEAGUES SAYING IS HIGHLIGHTING WHY YOU DON'T WANT INVEST IN TECHNOLOGY, RIGHT?

IF YOU HAVE OFFICERS GOING WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE IT'S A FALSE CALL.

NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.

WHETHER ZACH TO ACTIVITY HAPPENING.

SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY PLAYING IT SMART ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT OFFICERS AND RESOURCES TO BE AND YOU'RE PLAYING WHAC-A-MOLE WITH A BLINDFOLD ON.

YOU'RE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEMS.

ARE YOU NEED OFFICERS TO BE AT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN GOING UP OFF THAT ACTION?

FACT, IF I CAN ANSWER THAT, THOSE SYSTEMATICALLY QUIT, IT'S A GREAT THINGS WITH GREAT POINT.

BUT THERE IS NO THERE'S NO CRIME BOOK.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO CLIFF NOTES TO CRIME.

IT'S IT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT THE RIGHT TIME.

GOOD, GOOD.

POLICE WORK JUST PATROL.

IT HAPPENED TO BE ON SCENE YOU CAN'T DETECT WHERE SHOTS ARE GOING TO BE FIRED.

BUT IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING IN AREAS THAT HAVE THE SHOTSPOTTER, YOU'RE NOW AMPING UP PATROLS.

>> OKAY.

SO I WANT TO GET TO LAST WEEK'S VOTE ON POLICE DISCIPLINARY THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN 2 MONTHS AT ALL.

THE PEOPLE OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED AN ARBITRATOR'S RULING ALLOWING OFFICERS ACCUSED OF SERIOUS WRONGDOINGS TO BYPASS THE POLICE BOARD AND INSTEAD HAVE THEIR CASES HEARD IN PRIVATE ALDERMAN DESK.

AS YOU AGAINST AD, WHICH IS AGAINST ARBITRATION OFFERING OPTION.

WHY WAS THAT?

YES, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT >> THE AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING SPENT ON POLICE MISCONDUCT RIGHT OVER 100 MILLION DOLLARS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFICERS WHO WERE EITHER GOING TO GET SUSPENDED FOR A YEAR OR BE REMOVED FROM THE FORCE.

MY ARGUMENT IS THOSE FOLKS OFFICERS TO BEGIN WITH.

SO WE'RE HAVING THOSE KIND OF CASES.

I BELIEVE NEED TO BE PUBLIC.

IT'S IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAUSED BEEN MADE BECAUSE OFFICER'S MAKE THE RIGHT CALL.

MEAN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.

AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT MAKING THE RIGHT CALL, IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE PUBLIC DOING ALL THE STUFF BEHIND CLOSED DOORS DOESN'T LEAD IMPROVEMENT OF THE MODEL.

IT DOESN'T LEAD TO ACCOUNTABILITY AND IT LEADS TO MORE LOSSES OF FUN TALK ABOUT POLICE MISCONDUCT.

ALDERMAN HOT IN THE POLLS YEAH, YOU KNOW, SEAT.

THIS COMES ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND PART OF IT IS A POLICE OFFICER HAVE THE RIGHT TO STRIKE.

SO IT'S CREATED THAT WHEN THEY DO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT COME TO AN IMPASSE, YOU GO TO ARBITRATION.

THAT'S AGREEMENT WHEN IT GOES ARBITRATION.

>> AN ARBITRATOR LOOK SAID AND AGREES UPON IT AND SEND IT BACK TO ARE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON IT BECAUSE THAT THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO STRIKE ANYMORE.

IT'S COME BACK TO US TWICE.

THE BIG CONVERSATION HAIRS IS CREATING MORE TRANSPARENCY.

IF YOU LOOK HERE AT THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT OF THE LIST, THERE'S OVER 13 DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRANSPARENCY OVERLOOK THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL DOWN POLICE SUPERVISOR STATES ATTORNEYS BODY-WORN CAMERAS, POLICE OFFICER BEING FIRED AT HIGHER RATE THAN EVER BEFORE FOR THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING WRONG OR MISCONDUCT WAYS.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS BEING DONE MORE AS AS AN ANTI POLICE.

WITH THAT I FIRMLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING PRO OR ANTI POLICE.

IT IS ABOUT PRO PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE POLICING THE FIRST PLACE.

SOME WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT OVERSIGHT MEASURES AND YOU'RE STILL SPENDING 100 MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE EVERY SINGLE YEAR MISCONDUCT.

IT'S NOT WORKING.

AND SO WE ARE POLICE PORT FOR A REASON TO TRY TO INTO NOTHING DOESN'T LEAD TO A BETTER SYSTEM.

WELL, AND UNDERSTAND THE DEBATE IS NOT OVER AS WELL THE ATTORNEYS FOR THE CITY AND POLICE UNION ARE NOW SCHEDULED TO BRING THIS BEFORE A JUDGE NEXT >> AND YOU'VE WARNED THAT THIS ALDERMAN NAPOLITANO YOU FOR THAT.

THIS COULD GET EXPENSIVE.

BUT THE LEGAL BATTLE JUST ARGUING OVER THIS COULD COST THE CITY A LOT.

IT IS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING TO LOSE THIS CASE WHEN IT WHEN IT GOES TO COURT AND WITH THE SHOW POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO MY COLLEAGUE SAYS IT IT IS LOSING MONEY CASES THAT ARE BROUGHT AGAINST THE POLICE.

>> FIRING POLICE OFFICERS.

WE HAVE MEASURE SET UP IN PLACE WERE THE REASON WHY WE'RE WE'RE GAINING OR LOSING SO MUCH MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T TRY THESE CASES.

AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THAT, WHICH I THINK IS AN ANTI POLICE MOMENT.

IS THERE LETTING THE POLICE FAIL SO THAT YOU CAN GO BACK BUDGET TIME AND SAY THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE FEELING?

THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE COSTING THE CITY OF CHICAGO.

THIS IS HOW YOU ARE IN A FORTUNATE YOU'RE NOT A STRONG THE PARCEL.

MY COLLEAGUE AND I'VE HAD THIS DEBATE BEFORE.

AND I THINK IF WE WANT TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS BEING SAVED BY SETTLEMENTS, IF YOU ACTUALLY TAKE THESE TO COURT AND KEEP A SCORE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOSING, YOU'RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

SO I THINK IT'S A LOT MORE POLICING BECAUSE WE'RE JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME OR CITY COUNCIL SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON WHETHER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE FORCED TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF HOW IT DEPLOYS ITS OFFICERS.

>> THEY'D HAVE TO ALLOW OUTSIDE AGENCY TO DO THE ANALYSIS.

WE'VE GOT 20 SECONDS ON AND ASK IS HOW ARE YOU VOTING VOTING FOR IT?

WE KNOW TO RETURN TO BROWN BEFORE THAT AND NEVER TOLD US WHERE OFFICERS ARE AND WHAT THE RESEARCHERS ARE HEADING TO BE ALLOCATED.

WE NEED DATA DRIVEN SOLUTIONS JUST GUESSING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID DOESN'T GET US MORE SAFETY ALTMAN.

THE PILOT, AM VOTING NO.

THIS ANOTHER WAY LINE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DEFUND THEM AND PULLED FROM THE BUDGET.

>> GETTING RID OF SHOTSPOTTER TAKEN POLICE OFFICERS OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS.

YOU'RE LOOKING TO GO AGAINST ROBERT RATION SAULS IS BEING DONE IS TO WEAKEN THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT A