[Music] [Music] [Music] hello i'm porsha young welcome to another edition of 1036 as we begin our sixth season here on milwaukee pbs so happy anniversary 1036 and to all who work on this program and thanks to all of you for watching and supporting milwaukee pbs we begin with a story that shook milwaukee to its core 30 years ago and how it's impacting many still today serial killer jeffrey dahmer committed the murder and dismemberment of 17 men and boys former milwaukee journal crime reporter annie schwartz was the first reporter on the dramatic scene at 25th and kilbourne the night of july 22nd and early morning july 23 1991. dahmer was later killed in prison by inmate christopher scarver in 1994. she's written two books on the case her latest coming out later this month it's titled monster the true story of the jeffrey dahmer murders annie schwartz talked with 1036 producer marianne lizarski about the case and why she's writing about it again 30 years later could you just explain how you got this tip you were the first reporter right to know about what was happening how you got the tip and once you got to 25th and kilbourne what what what did you see what did you witness what happened i was the part-time crime reporter at the milwaukee journal which is the least enviable position in a newsroom probably and what i was good at as a reporter which i feel like is a lost a lost art anymore was making sources was getting cops to trust you to tell you things i never imagined that i would get a call from one of those sources on july 22nd 1991 saying annie you've got to get over here there's a guy that's been saving body parts in in in his apartment and and and ralph found a head in in the refrigerator so i'm taking this all in and the source just said just better get here so my first inclination was to think somebody's having some fun with me it's one of the cops that i know that i work with who's just trying to to have some fun with me to tell me something that's not really true and get a rise out of me at you know 11 30 at night and i but something in his voice told me that i should get out there so i went out to the scene by myself to 25th and kilbourne right in front of the oxford apartments it was very early there was i think only one detective squad there if they were even there yet but i walked up to the scene i walked into the apartment building and i walked up to the floor where jeffrey dahmer's apartment was which was the second floor it was apartment number 213 and i stepped inside i didn't take a tour right this was not you know parade of homes i walked in the the door and just i looked around because i was looking to see what you know what was happening what does this look like i eventually went back outside because i knew that i was going to get in trouble for being there and i had conversations with the neighbors and it was obvious from the minute i got to the scene that this was a different crime scene this was unlike any other crime scene i had covered people were so quiet and they were almost fearful they were they were taken aback by what they were seeing and hearing and the rumors were starting to get out about ahead in the refrigerator about body parts in the apartment about the way the place smelled there is a part of me that feels like that might have been the last genuine interviews that people gave about that case because it became so huge that it wasn't just annie schwartz from the milwaukee journal by the next day it was inside edition it was oprah it was phil donahue it was pick a show i mean everyone was showing up and wanted to know about this story and the stories became more and more embellished as time went on but i was always very proud of the work that that that that i and the the rest of the reporting team did that very first night when we were trying to figure it all out we could have gotten it very wrong because the details were so horrific when i was working at wisn um you know our overnight producer got on the air by one o'clock in the morning to report what was happening and so we had a crew probably around 12 30 but you know again uh it's one of those things like what you know what do you mean i had in the free you don't in milwaukee this is happening right nothing happens here that was all of the it's like oh this is this is a story that happens in california or florida or somewhere else it just wasn't something that happens here because this is the midwest and we have good german polish heritage and you know and we are you know we're church-going people and you know all of those kinds of things that make the midwest just kind of you know kind of vanilla and we really lost our innocence that year when more and more about that story came out people were this it shook this city to its core it really did i mean people at you know after a while they just they didn't even want to hear about it anymore i mean it was so you know details were sickening the you know the families were grieving it was you know and and in newsroom certainly you know we're trying to decide you know what's what's the ethical thing to do what's you know how do we present this what do we say even our graphics you know what should it say which what can we say right tell us about this this first book that you wrote on jeffrey dahmer um the man who could not kill enough i'd written two stories that first day the first one was very much a kind of a here's what we know very factual but then i also wrote another story and it started in a neighborhood in europe to crime this was something different and i wrote a whole mood piece on what it was what what the crime scene felt like well that ran in a national media outlet and i was contacted by a publisher that asked if i wanted to write a book on the case and you know you really don't say well this wasn't really what i dreamed of i was kind of hoping for you know for something else something a little more palatable but this was this was the story 30 years later i get a call from a publisher who said what do you think it's been 30 years what do you think about going back and that's what i did in in the new book in monster i went back and found all the principles from the case those that are still alive those that will still talk and said how did this case impact you 30 years later so how did it affect let's say a detective you might have talked to or a family member yeah so mike dubis was one of the detectives he was the first detective on the scene and i talked to him about it and i'm always shocked when cops tell me that there there is something that sticks with them because i always think of them as such a hearty sturdy bunch who you know just are able to to you know go to these horrible scenes that would you know horrify most of us and do their job do their work so mike dubis said you know what annie he said everything will be fine and then i'll be walking past like in a building i'll be walking past where somebody's using like a cleaning fluid that reminds me of what i smelled in the apartment that night and he said it takes it it really startles him and it does give him pause it gives him a minute that's one of the things that i marked in the book that is because you know as we were talking earlier about what what you remember or what you know kind of sparks that memory again and when he talked about um you know he's been around death a lot the smell wasn't death it was that sweet chemical smell it was and that that's an important piece that's a really important piece because everyone was asking you know from the cops who came to the building uh months before to the neighbors they were like didn't didn't that smell like a dead body well no it didn't what about a family member how do do they even still want to talk about it no that's the short answer families are not interested in continuing to talk about this there is one woman whose brother was killed by dahmer and one of the things that dahmer confessed to is that all of the victims were gay and that he was able to seduce all of them to come back to his apartment with him now not only do you find out so he's not he's not throwing a pillow case over somebody's head and dragging them out of a bar so not only are these families learning that their loved one was killed by a serial murderer in this most horrible way but they also some of these families found out that their loved one had a private life had a secret life what lessons did we learn or still need to learn look how we've come full circle on this today we're talking about issues of community trust we're talking about how officers interact with the with the gay community how do they interact with the hmong community how do they interact with the with the black community these are all now we're having all these conversations but when you look back at that time and you look at what we all had in front of us at the time if you look what those officers had in front of them at the time you really would have to say no they they did not have a magic eight ball we wish they would have for more on the dahmer case and to hear more of schwartz's interview go to milwaukeepbs.org the covet pandemic continues to impact us often in a negative way but one local nonprofit listen to senior citizens during this pandemic and use their words to create art and build community milwaukee pbs videographers erica dreyful and jason picars bring us the story [Music] my name is rob knapp i am a musician and a producer here in milwaukee wisconsin [Music] my name is jackie kosticka and i'm a dance movement therapist and a performer in the city of milwaukee [Music] my name is michael snowden i'm a multimedia artist and i've been working on this beautiful questions project with time slips as a non-profit time slips aims to bring meaning all the way to the end of life and one of the ways we do that is by inviting people to answer beautiful questions beautiful questions are questions that invite a shared sense of discovery they really tap into wonder there's no right or wrong answer beautiful questions also really compel forward the process of improvisation that is really the root of what time slips is all about the beautiful questions project is a project that between time slips and some local artists where we got a chance to engage with isolated seniors through phone calls and through weekly workshops it was very interesting to communicate with them about the project and how the responses have been coming in and how we were able to come up with the idea of creating a video if you could look outside your window and see anything you wish what would you want to see we created a legacy gift that we gifted to the elders and into the community i would like to see a very large garden of roses would ask them a beautiful question and really gets everybody to kind of lean into the creativity and imagination side of things hello my name is phyllis my name is alice cartwright yes my name is jeber craft the beautiful questions project is with the milwaukee county department of aging we're also working with goodwill meals on wheels and the united community center we begin by training the organizations the staff so that they can layer in the beautiful questions into their well-checked calls that's one way that we're able to get these questions to the elders another way is on the back of menus that are delivered with home delivered meals through meals on wheels we started the elder involvement by delivering with the meals an explanation of the program overview so they had a sense of what was going on what the artist's involvement was what the questions would be for and how they could participate hey mr michael good morning how are you i'm fine how are you little person i'm doing good thank you so much hey it started with um a lot of the participants calling into our voicemail line and leaving um answers to the questions that we had sent out um so those questions were things about the home whether it be what area in your home is special to you i started to think about a story that i could tell using all of these answers and so i just started to piece together the questions and the answers into what seemed like was kind of a a running story and then from there i underscored it with music what do you treasure in your home and why mainly memories also i do paintings art paintings well i'm elderly and all my life i was a choreographer and dancer so everything that i treasure in my home has to do with sculpture pieces and paintings of dancers and dance notes and anything to do with the dance career i think it's very important to hear these elder voices because lots of these elders are isolated and they don't get to share all of these beautiful answers to these beautiful questions what kind of animal would you like to be and i said an eagle and they said why i said because then i i could fly hearing these answers you get to really feel that connection in the community and you get to validate their value that they have in the community one of the questions was what is your favorite place anyhow i said the area that's special to me is my bed what i like to do there is sleep because sometimes i really have some fantastic dreams beautiful questions was important to me because everybody gave me something every wednesday to look forward to just i would not want to live anywhere else [Music] the entire piece um was supposed to be about milwaukee um and that's why we called it always home is about community and about connecting with people even if you can't see them or even if you can't be around them and obviously during the pandemic we couldn't be around each other as much as we had been the pandemic really had a profound impact on everyone but particularly older adults who were vulnerable and really needed to stay isolated and that was what really compelled this project forward was trying to figure out a way that we could engage older adults really meaningfully we chose to do this project because it was necessary it was a moment in time where everybody was kind of in their silos they're they're quarantined there's there's really in a box and this was an opportunity for um not just the elders but the artist like i feel like i took a lot away from it too like i got a chance to be creative in a new way and have conversations with people in ways that i never thought was possible as an artist it just kind of made me realize how art can bring people from different communities together i would like to see small kids around here again i would like to see some birds i like to see the birds this project strives to achieve creating a new model and just the way that we engage with our elders and also inspiring other peoples to like hey call an elder check on to make sure they're okay honestly it made me rethink about like the older generation and how important their stories are and how important it is to reach out to them and to talk to them and to listen to them what will we give the next generation what i would like to see is people have patience and thoughtfulness before acting one thing that i've learned through talking to these some of these people is that they really just needed that sense of community and they had stories that they wanted to tell and they just needed somebody to listen and that's really important and big thank you thank you very much thank you goodbye [Music] time slips hopes to continue the beautiful questions project in the future patti hinich is a chef and host of the award-winning paddy's mexican table now in its 10th season on pbs she's also airing a special on food along the u.s mexico border for our american dreams initiative milwaukee pbs producer mariano avila sat down for a talk with patty the idea of the border has profound meaning to me that's texas that's mexico i was born and raised in mexico then moved to america and i'm raising my family here and i've spent my career traveling my homeland sharing mexican food and culture with the world are you with me i want to tell you things tremendous the american dream to me has become being able to stay rooted and connected to both genuinely without feeling like being more of one thing means you're less of another after having my kids who are mexican-american and so proud of being both and i i've taught them that at least i tried to pass this along that being a mexican-american living in america gives you double blessings because you have two cultures you have two languages you have two cuisines you have two sets of values that you can draw from but you have a double responsibility you have to do right by mexico and represent and stay connected and be proud and hold your hey hit high and and really try to enrich this country with what you've been inherited and given and contribute while trying to do good by the home that you come from and then you have to do right by america and show that hey it's worth it for you guys to have me here i'm going to be a good citizen i'm going to contribute i'm going to represent well so for me the american dream has become that being humble and grateful enough to know that we have these two fabulous worlds to draw from but that we have that double responsibility that we have what are some of the misconceptions that you're having to negotiate between the two countries that you were not expecting you know i realized when i moved to the u.s and lived here for a few years i was confronted with all these stereotypes of mexicans and who we are you know um they believe that to be mexican you have to look a certain way act a certain way eat a certain way and as i started exploring more to share more i realized that even to us mexicans but i realized how i was so wrong about the united states i had all these ideas about what the u.s was you know i had of course the idea of oh the american dream and what does the u.s mean but even when it comes down to food i used to think oh americans are going to be so fascinated when they realize that mexican food has all these regional cuisines and all these ingredients and you know they're going to make so much use of of mexican ingredients and food and i used to think of american food as being very limited because mexico you think of american food as hamburgers hot dogs pizza little as i started traveling throughout the u.s to share my mexico i realized how little i knew about the us you know there's dozens of different kinds of barbecue and the southern food and the richness and diversity that exist here so i realized that you know the misconceptions and that the myths were the same on both sides and that i had them myself for the us what's kind of been the trajectory that has gotten you to where you are now you know born and raised in mexico city i trained as a political analyst i wanted to work in themes that had to do with helping in any possible way my home country you know strengthening democratic institutions civic culture and then once i moved to the u.s i married my husband also mexican moved to the us i really wanted to do something to help connect mexicans to mexico which is what i thought was my dream you know to be an academic to work in an office to be writing research papers and i'm generally speaking a very optimistic person like i don't see a glass half full or half empty i tend to see it overflowing and and i was just mariano very unhappy not satisfied thinking that i wasn't connecting with people and switched to cooking you know help mexicans connect to our mexican roots through food and help explain who is mexico to people through food you know who we are what we look like i got so many questions i believe in the common good and being a humanist but i believe in things that i really care about and so this explains how i started with patty's mexican table and here it is wow it is so pretty it is so nice and thick when i opened it i was like yay this is like four years of work it's um a hundred and fifty recipes the book is called treasures of the mexican table um classic recipes local secrets published now i just went to jalisco to film paris mexican table the 10th season and i found that not only were there the classics that i knew but new classics in this fall i'm launching my first primetime special with pbs which is called la frontera this project i've come full circle to really go to the place where my two most beloved countries meet we all like to eat right as consumers we often don't take the time to understand what impacts farmers impacts us next month on 10 36 we will bring you a one hour documentary america's dairyland at the crossroads produced in partnership with milwaukee pbs and the milwaukee journal sentinel here's a preview good morning from am 1450 wdlb we've got a nice sunny day shaping up here in central wisconsin today with the bright blue sky out there today lots of bright sunshine grandpa used to say this is a haymaker so get out there and make it count today it's really sad a lot of dairy farms in the area have exited they've sold their cows and quit here now we're ready to go there talk about i find them down how did you make the decision to say i'm done that was dad's decision man i was upset matter of fact i probably said a few squares i don't think anyone in washington even knows us type of farms even exist they like to use a picture of the little red barn on their news or advertising but you know i don't think they even know or sometimes i don't even know if they care if we exist you know i hear his frustration and they are the most hard-working people i know and we have to have their backs we have to work as hard as we can the clock is ticking the farm is going to continue to exist there are going to be robots analysts tractors satellites looking down on your individual farm fields farmers are going to take their game to another level [Music] that'll do it for this edition of 1036 but before we go we want to wish our director in the control room a happy retirement raul galvan has been with milwaukee pbs for 29 years and directed this show from the very start muchas gracias raul and much love from all of us here at 10 36 we'll leave you now with the view from above creekside valley farm in mequon nice nice [Music] you