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IS MORE REGULATION THE ANSWER?

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WELCOME TO "RECORDERS ROUNDTABLE."

ON OUR PANEL, TERRENCE, McDONALD, DANIELLE HAHN AND FRITZ NOFLECK.

WE WILL HEAR FROM THE PANEL IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.

WE BEGIN TODAY WITH OUR DISCUSSION ON GUNS.

THIS WEEK, NEW JERSEY LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCED THEIR PLAN.

HERE TO TALK WITH US ABOUT IT IS IS ASSEMBLY SPEAKER CRAIG COUGHLIN.

I HEAR REPUBLICANS SAYING YOU HAVE THE TOUGHEST GUN LAWS IN THE STATE.

HOW HAS THE RECENT SUPREME COURT DECISION AFFECTED NEW JERSEY'S TOUGHEST IN THE NATION GUN LAWS?

WHAT'S DIFFERENT?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THEY SAY WE HAVE THE TOUGHEST GUN LAWS, THEY ARE RIGHT.

WE'RE WORKING TO MAINTAIN THAT POSITION.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE SUPREME COURT PASSED A DECISION WHICH FUNDAMENTALLY SWITCHED -- FLIPPED THE SWITCH.

IN NEW JERSEY, YOU USED TO HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE A NEED TO OBTAINED A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.

NOW THE SUPREME COURT RULING, PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO GET CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT WITHOUT HAVING TO DEMONSTRATE IT.

IT'S REVEREDSED IT.

WE PREPARED A BILL BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THE COMPELLING NEED WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

WHILE THIS DOESN'T AFFECT GUN OWNERSHIP, PEOPLE CAN STILL HAVE A GUN, PEOPLE CAN STILL CARRY THEM AS LONG AS THEY GET THE PERMIT.

BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE DRAFT AID BILL INTRODUCED ON THURSDAY THAT WILL PROVIDE A NUMBER OF AREAS WHICH ARE DESIGNATED AS SENSITIVE AREAS.

NUMBER OF -- WE INCLUDED OUR REQUIREMENTS WHICH MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF THAT APPLICATION PROCESS TO OBTAIN IT.

BACKGROUND CHECKS AND TRAINING.

WE ALSO REQUIRE INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE A CONCEAL CAREDRY WEAPON.

THAT ALL DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE 9 PLUS MILLION PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN NEW JERSEY.

>> ARE THERE NEW PLACES WHERE THERE WILL BE GUN RESTRICTIONS?

THEY DIDN'T -- YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC BEFORE BECAUSE THE BAN WAS SO BROAD.

WHERE ARE SOME OF THE PLACED IN THE BILL YOU WHERE CAN'T CARRY GUNS?

>> WE CAN'T CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS IN PLACES YOU PROBABLY WOULD SUSPECT.

WHAT MAKES SENSE?

IN STADIUMS, FOR EXAMPLE.

ON BEACHES.

IN PARKS.

AT POLLS.

PLACES WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR CHILDREN, TO DAY CARE.

PLACES LIKE THAT.

SOMETHING THAT I THINK MOST NEW JERSEYANS WHEN THEY SIT DOWN GO, THAT MAKES SENSE.

I DON'T EXPECT TO GO TO A CONCERT OR FOOTBALL GAME AT MET LIFE STADIUM AND BE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE CONCEALED CARRY WEAPONS.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER TO PASS LEGAL CHALLENGES, I THINK, AFTER THE HIGH COURT RESUMINGS.

ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THAT?

>> WE WORKED WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE SENATE AND ASSEMBLY HAVE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

WE THINK IT WILL PASS MUSTER.

THIS IS ABOUT SETTING REASONABLE STANDARDS FOR GUN SAFETY.

RECOGNIZES THE FACT THAT THE WORLD IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SEEMED TO TALK -- NOT SEEMED TO, BUT TALKED ABOUT IN RENDERING ITS DECISION.

THE FOUNDING FATHERS DIDN'T HAVE MET LIFE STADIUM, TAILGATING AND 80,000 PEOPLE AT THAT LOCATION.

THAT'S A RECIPE FOR A POTENTIAL PROBLEM, IF WE COUPLE THAT WITH CONCEALED CARRY WEAPONS.

I THINK RECOGNIZING WE LIVE IN A MODERN ERA AND THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW WILL BE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDS.

WE CRAFTED SOMETHING THAT'S DESIGNED TO BE FAIR AND TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO IT AND TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC SAFETY THAT SO MANY NEW JERSEYIANS ARE LOOKING FOR.

>> I WOULD IMAGINE, YOU WOULD EXPECT THERE WILL BE LEGAL CHALLENGES TO THIS.

>> I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE.

THERE WAS A CONCEALED CARRY LAW IN NEW YORK CHALLENGED IN SHORT ORDER.

THERE WAS A DECISION RENDERED BY -- IN THE DISTRICT COURT WHICH HAS BEEN STAYED BY THE APPELLANT COURT.

THAT DID ELIMINATE MANY OF THE THINGS INCLUDED IN THE BILL.

BUT I THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET ONE JUDGE'S DECISION IN NEW YORK DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT PROTECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY.

>> LET ME GET TO FOOD INSECURITY.

A BIG ISSUE WITH YOU.

ANY EVIDENCE PROGRESS IS BEING MADE?

HOW DO YOU SUSTAIN THAT?

>> WELL, I THINK THERE IS PROGRESS THAT'S BEING MADE.

WE WERE BUILDING TO THAT.

THE WAY YOU DETERMINE THAT, OF COURSE, IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN NEED.

WE WERE MAKING PROGRESS.

THEN THE PANDEMIC CAME ALONG.

2 MILLION UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS HAS CERTAINLY HAD A TOLL ON THAT.

THINGS ARE GETTING BACK TO NORMAL FOR MOST FOLKS.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE INFLATION NOW, WHICH WILL POSE ITS OWN SENSE OF CHALLENGES.

I THINK THE WAY YOU DO IT -- I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE INVITED TO A CONFERENCE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAD RELATIVE TO FOOD INSECURITY.

WHAT I HEARD FROM FOLKS IN STATES OUTSIDE OF NEW JERSEY ARE THINGS THAT MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING HERE.

I'M HOPEFUL WE'RE MAKING REAL POSITIVE CHANGE.

WE HAVE MADE A GREAT FINANCIAL COMMITMENT, $85 MILLION TO HELP FOOD PANTRIES IN THE LAST BUDGET.

GREAT SUPPORT FROM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

IT'S NOT REALLY A PARTISAN ISSUE AT ALL.

GOVERNOR MURPHY HAS BEEN A GREAT CHAMPION.

WE HAVE -- I THINK WE'RE TAKING THE FIGHT TO THE ISSUE.

I THINK WHAT REALLY -- WHAT I WAS -- IT'S ABOUT MAKE A PRIORITY.

WE HAVE -- WE DON'T HAVE A FOOD SHORTAGE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE FOOD TO PEOPLE WHO SO DESPERATELY NEED IT.

>> I SAW EARLIER YOU WEEK THIS NEW JERSEY TRANSIT EVENT.

NEW DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO THE STATION.

WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON THE LACK OF A COMMUTER ADVOCATE AT THE AGENCY.

THE GOVERNOR SEEMED UNCONCERNED ABOUT IT.

IS THERE AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, EVEN IF WE ARE TALKING JUST ABOUT OPTICS, THAT THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST A NOD TO CUSTOMER SERVICE BY FILLING THIS OFFICE?

IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.

>> LOOK, I THINK WE SHOULD GET THE CONSUMER ADVOCATE POSITION FILLED.

AND WE SHOULD DO IT AS SOON AS WE CAN.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NEW JERSEY TRANSIT, TALK ABOUT SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS HAPPENING.

NO FARE INCREASES IN FIVE YEARS.

COMMITTED TO INVESTING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DOING THAT.

BEFORE WE WERE IN METRO PARK, WE WERE IN NEW BRUNSWICK TALKING ABOUT RENOVATIONS TO THE TRAIN STATION.

THE GOVERNOR WAS IN HOBOKEN TALKING ABOUT GOOD THINGS HAPPENING THERE.

I THINK WE SHOULD GET THE COMPUTER ADVOCATE IN PLACE.

THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING ON THE TRANSIT FRONT.

>> I WANT TO GET TO TWO REALLY BURNING ISSUES.

I WILL START WITH THIS ONE.

THE TOURISM MAP CONTROVERSY.

A COUPLE OF LAWMAKERS FROM YOUR PARTY WANT TO MORE CLEARLY DEFINE THE EXISTENCE OF CENTRAL JERSEY.

DOES CENTRAL JERSEY EXIST?

DOES IT REALLY INCLUDE MONMOUTH COUNTY?

>> A COUPLE THINGS.

HAVING LIVED IN MIDDLESEX COUNTY MY ENTIRE LIFE, I CAN TELL YOU CENTRAL NEW JERSEY ABSOLUTELY EXISTS.

WE ARE PROUD OF THAT.

I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE DEFINE WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT.

MY INSTINCT IS TO SAY, UNION COUNTY IS PART OF CENTRAL JERSEY.

MONMOUTH COUNTY IS -- THEY'RE PART -- THEY ARE LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THE STATE NEXT ARE PART OF THE SHORE REGION.

THEY MAY HAVE DUAL STATUS.

>> I CAN SEE THIS ONE TAKING UP A LOT OF COMMITTEE TIME.

I GOTTA ASK YOU ABOUT -- >> I NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO.

>> I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT YOU CONSIDERING A RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

I KNOW 2025 IS LITERALLY YEARS AWAY.

WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD ABOUT THAT?

>> WELL, IT'S VERY FLATTERING TO HAVE YOUR NAME COME UP.

HERE IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN MY HEAD.

I HAVE A TERRIFIC CAUCUS THAT I LEAD.

I WANT TO BE THE BEST SPEAKER THAT I POSSIBLY CAN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DEMOCRATS GET BACK IN CONTROL IN 2023 BEFORE WE START TO THINK ABOUT 2025.

>> ALL RIGHT.

HE NEVER SAID NO.

SPEAKER CRAIG COUGHLIN, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR COMING OUT WITH US.

>> THANKS, DAVID.

>>> PANEL, TERRENCE, DANIEL, FRED, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.

LET'S PICK UP ON THE SPEAKER'S GUN BILL.

YOU WERE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE THIS WEEK.

I ASSUME THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THERE.

WHAT'S IN THIS BILL THAT IS NEW?

>> I GUESS -- THERE'S A LOT IN THIS BILL.

BUT LOOKING AT IT FROM THE VERY BROAD POINT OF VIEW, I THINK SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS ARE REQUIRING INSURANCE MANDATES FOR A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT, THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THE NATION.

REQUIRING BROAD SWATHS OF THE STATE WHERE YOU CAN'T CARRY GUNS.

ALSO, RIGOROUS TRAINING REQUIREMENTS.

THESE ARE ALL BRAND-NEW IDEAS.

REPUBLICANS DON'T SEEM ON BOARD.

IT SEEMS TO BE ON THE LEGISLATIVE FAST TRACK.

THE GOVERNOR IS ABOUT TO SIGNED IT.

WE WILL SEE WHERE IT ENDS UP.

>> A LOT OF THE PROVISIONS AS THE SPEAKER SAID IN SIMILAR LAW THEY TRIED TO PASS IN NEW YORK, WAS STRUCK DOWN BY THE COURTS.

IS THERE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT'S GOING TO GET CHALLENGED RIGHT OFF THE BAT?

>> I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY EXPECTED.

I RECALL YESTERDAY AT THE NEW JERSEY ASSOCIATION OF NEW JERSEY RIFLES AND PISTOLS CLUB, EVEN VOWED THAT WERE THIS TO BECOME LAW, YOU COULD SEE LEGAL CHALLENGES.

GIVEN THE SPEAKER SAID YESTERDAY THAT NEW JERSEY'S PROPOSAL IS MORE STRINGENT THAN IN NEW YORK, I THINK SEEING THIS IN THE COURTS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME.

>> FRED WHAT ABOUT THE TIMING OF THIS?

CAN WE TIE IT TO THE MIDTERMS?

DOES THIS ISSUE WORK FOR DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW?

.

>> WE COULD TIE EVERYTHING WITH THE MIDTERMS.

I'M SURE DEMOCRATS THINK IT DOES.

HERE IN NEW JERSEY, DESPITE WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAID REGARDING RIGHT TO CARRY, MOST PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY SUPPORT NEW JERSEY GUN LAWS, EVEN IF THEY ARE THE STRONGEST IN THE COUNTRY.

POLITICALLY, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GO WRONG BY SAYING I WANT TOUGH GUN LAWS.

I WANT TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO CARRY GUNS.

ESPECIALLY IN NEW JERSEY.

IT'S VERY CONGESTED.

OBVIOUSLY, PASSIONS SOMETIMES RUN HIGH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE CARRYING A GUN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THINGS SAFER.

I THINK POLITICALLY, IT'S A GOOD MOVE.

AS YOU SAY, IT'S DEBATABLE.

AND PROBABLY WILL BE CHALLENGED.

IT'S DEBATABLE IF IT WILL HOLD UP IN COURT.

>> DOES IT WORK ALSO THEN FOR REPUBLICANS WHO CAN SAY, THERE GOES THOSE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUN RIGHTS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

>> LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GOVERNOR NOW WHO WAS AT LACKAWANNA TERMINAL IN HOBOKEN LAST WEEK, METRO PARK THIS WEEK.

BIG REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THERE.

MEANWHILE, TERRENCE, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS THIS MONTH SINCE THEY HAD A COMMUTER ADVOCATE ON STAFF.

THE GOVERNOR SAYS NOBODY REALLY CARES ABOUT THAT.

DO THESE BIG REAL ESTATE FOCUSED DEVELOPMENTS SEND A MESSAGE ABOUT WHERE THE AGENCY'S FOCUS IS?

>> I MEAN, I GUESS SO.

WHAT SORT OF CONFUSES ME IS THAT DEMOCRATS -- IS THAT THERE'S THIS BIG ELECTION COMING UP IN A MONTH AND PHIL MURPHY WHO HAS NATIONAL ASPIRATIONS WANTS DEMOCRATS TO DO WELL.

I'M CONFUSED THAT THESE ARE THE PROJECTS HE WANTS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER AND THAT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE DEMOCRATS DON'T HAVE A LOT ELSE TO BRAG ABOUT.

SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

I THINK THE ONE -- THE METRO PARK ONE DOESN'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSIGNED TO IT.

IT SEEMS LIKE THESE ARE CLASSIC PRE-ELECTION, LET'S GET GOOD NEWS ON THE FRONT PAGE ITEMS AS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING TO REALLY SUPER BRAG ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU WERE PROBABLY WORKING IN HUDSON AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS CALLED THE HOBOKEN R R R RAIL YARDS AT THE TIME.

IT GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO START SEEING THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND THESE NEW JOBS, RIGHT, ANY TIME BEFORE ELECTION DAY.

LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

TIFFANY TRUMP WILL BE PRESIDENT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.

>> THE FORGOTTEN TRUMP.

I MEANT TO ASK YOU, TERRENCE, ABOUT AN EDITORIAL YOU PUBLISHED ON THE SCANDAL IN WOMEN'S SOCCER THAT INCLUDES THE GOVERNOR'S SOCCER TEAM WHOSE NAME I FORGET.

I THINK IT'S SKY BLUE OR WAS AND IT'S GOTHAM AC.

>> CORRECT.

IT'S GOTHAM NOW.

>> THE GOVERNOR HAD NO REAL COMMENT ABOUT THIS SCANDAL BEYOND SAYING HE WAS DISCUSSED AND ME TOO.

THIS IS A BAD LOOK FOR GOVERNOR MURPHY.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A LOOK WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE.

TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

>> YEAH.

WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY HEARD ALLEGATIONS ABOUT HOW MEN BEHAVED TOWARD WOMEN ON HIS INITIAL CAMPAIGN IN 2017.

WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BRENNAN CASE AND THE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT HER -- HER RAPE ALLEGATIONS WERE IGNORED BY PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR MURPHY.

THIS IS ANOTHER CASE -- WE'RE NOT POSITIVE BECAUSE THE REPORT WAS CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE MURPHYS KNEW ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS INVOLVING THE SOCCER COACH OF THE TEAM THEY OWNED.

I THINK HE SHOULD BE MORE UP FRONT AND HONEST ABOUT WHAT HE AND HIS WIFE KNEW WHEN THE TEAM DECIDED TO GIVE THIS COACH A GLOWING RECOMMENDATION, ALLOWING HIM TO GET A NEW JOB, WHERE ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, HE CONTINUED THIS PATTERN OF MISCONDUCT AND BEHAVED WORSE.

>> YEAH.

DANIEL DANIEL, YOU HAD A PIECE ON HOW THE MURPHY ADMINISTRATION HAD PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF HOW HEALTH CARE COSTS WERE GOING TO SHOOT UP BEFORE THE BIG NEWS ABOUT IT LAST MONTH.

WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

ARE THEYRE REPERCUSSIONS FROM I?

>> WE OBTAINED RECORDS FROM FEBRUARY OF 2022, SAYING THAT HEALTH CARE USAGE, HEALTH CARE COSTS FOR THE STATE-RUN PUBLIC WORKERS HEALTH INSURANCEPROGRAM PROGRAMS EXCEEDS WHAT WAS EXPECTED.

THERE WERE LARGE PREMIUM INCREASES.

THE QUESTION IS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING, WHY WAS THAT NOT DISCLOSED EARLIER?

I REMEMBER YESTERDAY DURING THE SENATE BUDGET COMMITTEE, THE CHAIRMAN SAID HE WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT HE AND THE COMMITTEE WERE NOT BRIEFED ON THIS DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

TO TREASURY'S CREDIT, THEY DID MENTION DURING SOME BUDGET HEARINGS THAT IT INCREASED.

THEY DID NOT REALLY DISCUSS THE EXTENT OF WHAT THAT WAS.

LOOKING BACK, RAISES A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS.

>> LAWMAKERS, THEY ARE SAYING THEY HAD NO CLUE ABOUT THIS.

FRED, LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES, KATIE BRENNAN, SCHOOL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, THE SOCCER TEAM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT -- WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT RIGHT AFTER COVID IS OVER OR SOME OTHER NEBULOUS DEADLINE.

IS THIS SOME DUE DILIGENCE?

>> I THINK IT'S -- THE FIRST THING IS THAT IT'S NOT DUE DILIGENCE.

COVID HAS GIVEN A COVER, SO TO SPEAK.

THEY CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS WHEN COVID IS OVER.

THAT BRINGS UP AN OBVIOUS QUESTION.

WHEN IS THE PANDEMIC OFFICIALLY ENDED?

IS IT ENDED NOW?

IS IT GOING TO END IN SIX MONTHS.

PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IF IT'S OVER OR NOT.

FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW, YOUR QUESTION, THIS SUGGESTS THAT THE GOVERNMENT OR THE GOVERNOR IN THIS CASE, COULD EXTEND THESE THINGS INDEFINITELY AND SAY WAITING FOR COVID TO BE OFFICIALLY OVER.

GOVERNMENT ALWAYS LOOKS BAD.

THIS HAS NOTHING DO WITH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.

GOVERNMENT ALWAYS LOOKS BAD WHEN THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE SHOW TRY TO CONCEAL INFORMATION.

THEY TRY TO CONCEAL INFORMATION BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM LOOK BACK OR IT'S EMBARRASSING.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CAUSE HERE.

>> HE WOULDN'T BE FIRST GOVERNOR SAY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT.

I WILL STICK WITH YOU HERE FOR A MINUTE, FRED.

THE HOTTEST YOUTUBE STREAM OF THE WEEK, THE TWO TOMS.

THE BIG DEBATE.

LET'S LOOK AT A CLIP FROM IT AND WE WILL COME BACK AND GET YOUR TAKE.

>> INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO THE ECONOMISTS, INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO HIS CONSTITUENTS, HE FOLLOWED NANCY PELOSI'S LEAD 100% OF THE TIME.

AS A RESULT, WE HAVE THIS OUT OF CONTROL INFLATION.

I'M RUNNING FOR CONGRESS SO I CAN BREAK THE BACK OF INFLATION.

THIS PARTY IN WASHINGTON, THE ASCENDANT LEADERS, HAVE PUT FORWARD ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN TO DEAL WITH THIS ECONOMIC SITUATION.

BUT THEY DO HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC PLAN FOR BANNING ABORTION.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

IT'S MODERATION VERSUS MAGA.

IT'S BRIDGE BUILDERS VERSUS BOMB THROWERS.

INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS OR INSURRECTION.

WE MAKE THE CHOICE.

>> SO, FRED, TOM KANE SPEAKS.

YOU WERE HELD HOSTAGE THERE.

HOW DID HE DO?

>> WELL, HE DID SPEAK, AS YOU SAID.

THEY BOTH SPOKE.

I THINK -- THE CLIP YOU PLAYED WAS FROM THE OPENING STATEMENT.

IN A WAY, THAT'S WHAT THE ELECTION IS ABOUT.

TOM KANE WAS TALKING ABOUT INFLATION AND THE LOUSY ECONOMY.

TOM MALINOWSKI TALKED ABOUT MAGA AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.

THAT'S WHAT THE ELECTION IS ABOUT.

WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT?

IS IT INFLATION OR IS IT WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS?

THIS CAMPAIGN IS INTERESTING.

EVERYONE IS FOLLOWING THE CAMPAIGN, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, MALINOWSKI HAS BEEN MORE AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO PEOPLE LIKE ME AND PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL, TO THE PRESS.

TOM KANE HAS NOT.

WE SAW THAT AT THE END OF THE DEBATES YESTERDAY.

WHEN IT ENDED, MALINOWSKI HUNG AROUND AND HAD AN IMPROMPTU PRESS CONFERENCE.

THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN CAMPAIGN STYLES.

IT'S DEBATABLE VOTERS CARE ABOUT THAT.

>> TOM KANE DID TAKE A QUESTION OR TWO AFTERWARDS FROM REPORTERS?

>> YES, HE DID.

WHEN HE LEFT THE ROOM, THERE WERE REPORTERS AND TV CAMERAS OUTSIDE.

THEY STOPPED HIM FROM MAKING A QUICK GETAWAY.

HE TOOK A FEW QUESTIONS.

>> TERRENCE, ANY MINDS GET CHANGED, DO YOU THINK, FROM THIS DEBATE OR IN GENERAL?

ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE THAT ARE UNDECIDED?

>> I DON'T THINK DEBATES, EVEN AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL, MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, UNLESS ONE OF THE CANDIDATES LITERALLY THROWS UP ON STAGE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER FOR THEM.

WE'RE AT THE CONGRESSIONAL LEVEL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL WATCH THIS DEBATE.

WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS THE INFLATION NUMBERS THAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY ARE TERRIBLE.

THE MORTGAGE INTEREST RATE NUMBERS ARE TERRIBLE.

TERRIBLE FOR DEMOCRATS.

THEY'RE THE ONES IN CHARGE.

I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM FOR TOM MALINOWSKI.

TOM KANE MAY NOT BE TALKING TO THE PRESS.

HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AS ELOQUENT A PUBLIC SPEAKER.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER FOR MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO THE VOTING BOOTH NEXT MONTH.

>> WINTER IS COMING FOR DEMOCRATS.

TIME FOR OUR ONLY IN JERSEY SEGMENT.

HEADLINES AND NOTES THAT ARE QUINTESSENTIALLY JERSEY.

TERRENCE, YOU GOT ONE?

>> YES.

THIS IS THE CENTRAL JERSEY DEBATE, WHICH I NORMALLY HATE.

YOU MENTIONED CENTRAL JERSEY, AND IT STARTS A FIRESTORM ON SOCIAL MEDIA LIKE WHEN YOU MENTION A PORK PRODUCT THAT SHALL GO UNNAMED.

I'M A CENTRAL JERSEY NATIVE.

I'M A CENTRAL JERSEY BELIEVER.

I DON'T LIKE THE ARGUMENT.

I THINK IT'S DUMB BUT I THINK IT'S ONLY A JERSEY THING THAT PEOPLE GET SO BENT OUT OF SHAPE WHEN YOU MENTION A REGION OF THE STATE.

>> DAN, YOU WANTED TO JUMP IN?

>> I WAS ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS CENTRAL JERSEY.

AS A UNION COUNTY NATIVE, UNION COUNTY IS CENTRAL JERSEY.

>> YOU DO BELIEVE THAT UNION COUNTY IS IN CENTRAL JERSEY?

YOU DON'T THINK IT'S NORTH?

>> NO, NO, NOT AT ALL.

THE NORTHERN MOST TIP OF SUMMERSET COUNTY IS HIGHER THAN UNION COUNTY.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT.

>> CENTRAL JERSEY IN MY BOOK.

>> WE DIDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

CENTRAL JERSEY DOES EXIST.

MINE IS HOLIDAY DOUBLE-TALK.

TWO TWEET OS ON MONDAY.

TODAY, WE HONOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS AND EXTRAORDINARY CULTURE OF OUR INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AS WE KEEP BUILDING TOWARD AN EQUITABLE AND SUSTAINABLE FUTURE THAT LEAVES NO ONE BEHIND.

FIVE MINUTES LATER, ANOTHER TWEET.

ITALIAN AMERICANS HAVE A RICH HISTORY IN NEW JERSEY.

TODAY, WE HONOR THE ACHIEVEMENT AND SUCCESSES OF ITALIAN AMERICANS.

#COL #COLUMBUSDAY.

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