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>> Eric: IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL TALK WITH ST. PAUL MAYOR CARTER ABOUT SAFETY CONCERNS AFTER THE SHOOTINGS NEAR DOWNTOWN.

WE'LL EXPLORE CONTINUING AIRLINE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS AND DELAYS DURING COVID.

AND MARY LAHAMMER HAS BEEN TRACKING THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

>> Mary: AS THE JUDICIAL REDISTRICTING PANEL BE BEGINS IT PUBLIC PROGRESSION WE'LL CHECK IN THIS IMPORTANT STEP OF REDRAWING THE STATE'S POLITICAL LINES.

>> THE PANEL DOES LISTEN TO THIS TESTIMONY.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> Eric: ON TONIGHT'S SHOW, WE'LL PREVIEW THE UPCOMING MINNEAPOLIS AND ST. PAUL ELECTIONS.

CHRIS FARRELL WILL SORT THROUGH THE WEEK'S ECONOMIC NEWS, AND MARY WILL HAVE AN UPDATE ON REDISTRICTING HEARINGS AROUND THE STATE.

BUT FIRST UP, SAFETY CONCERNS IN THE CITY OF ST. PAUL AFTER A MASS SHOOTING WITHIN A BLOCK OF THE XCEL ENERGY CENTER.

>> Cathy: ONE PERSON WAS KILLED AND 14 OTHERS WERE INJURED IN A SHOOTOUT AT A CROWDED POPULAR BAR AND RESTAURANT ON WEST SEVENTH STREET EARLY SUNDAY MORNING.

TWO INDIVIDUALS ARE FACING NUMEROUS CHARGES IN THE SHOOTING WHILE THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, BUSINESSES, AND MUCH OF THE CITY REMAINS ON EDGE.

MAYOR MELVIN CARTER JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT RISING GUN VIOLENCE AND FEAR IN ST. PAUL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU AS WELL.

>> Cathy: LAST TIME YOU WERE, WE ACTUALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND DOES THIS MASS SHOOTING MEAN THAT YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY MEASURES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO ARE NOT WORKING?

>> ACTUALLY, THE OPPOSITE.

NONE OF THAT MINIMIZES A HORRIFIC, A HORRIBLE, AND VERY UNPRECEDENTED AND UNPREDICTABLE EVENT THAT WE HAD THIS PAST EEKEND THAT SENT OUR WHOLE CITY INTO SHOCK AND TRAUMA WHERE WE JUST LOST A YOUNG WOMAN WHO JUST SEEMS TO BE A DELIGHTFUL SOUL BY ALL ACCOUNTS.

AND SAW 14 PEOPLE INJURED BY GUNFIRE ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S A SHOCK FOR US AND WE TAKE IT AS A FURTHER INDICATION THAT WE HAVE TO DOUBLE DOWN ON THIS APPROACH TO PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE FRANKLY, WHAT IT DOES SAY FOR US IS THE PRA TRADITIONAL APPROACHES HAVE NOT -- >> Eric: ARE YOU AND THE COUNCIL LISTENING TO THE CHIEF WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT MORE?

>> WE'VE INVESTED HEAVILY IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET HAS INCREASED BY $10 MILLION A YEAR SINCE I'VE BECOME MAYOR.

THE PROPOSAL I HAVE IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD INCREASE THAT BY ANOTHER $4 MILLION.

THAT OUTPACES ALL OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS BAY FAR.

THIS INCIDENT CTUALLY HAPPENED IN A SPACE WHERE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED A MILLION DOLLARS IN POLICE OVERTIME.

THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT, AS WE'VE ALL SEEN NOW, THE SHERIFF GOT ON HIS SOCIAL MEDIA SHOW AND SAID HE THINKS SOMETHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

ONE THING THAT FRUSTRATES ME IS HEARING SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T DO SOMETHING TO AVOID SOMETHING BAD THAT THEY THINK BE LIKELY TO HAPPEN.

AND SO THAT SAYS EITHER THAT THE SHERIFF WAS EITHER UNABLE OR UNWILLING, EITHER COULDN'T OR JUST DIDN'T DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT THAT.

I THINK IT'S A PROOF POINT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE PORTFOLIO INVESTMENTS, BALANCE INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY BEYOND JUST POLICING AND THAT'S WHAT PUTS OUR POLICE IN THE BEST SITUATION.

>> Cathy: SOME BUSINESS OWNERS DOWN ON WEST 7TH SAYING THEY HAVE BEEN CLAINING FOR A WHILE NOW ABOUT A RISING LEVEL OF CRIME.

>> A RISING LEVEL OF CHALLENGE, NOT JUST IN ST. PAUL BUT AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE GLOBE.

AS WE TALK ABOUT RISING GUN VIOLENCE, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S RISEN IN ST. PAUL, IT'S THAT LITERALLY EVERY CITY ACROSS OUR COUNTRY HAS EXPERIENCED INCREASES IN VIOLENCE SINCE THE ONSET OF THE PANDEMIC.

I DON'T KNOW THAT SHOULD BE A MAJOR SURPRISE.

WE'VE SEEN MORE FAMILIES HOMELESS, HUNGRY, UNEMPLOYED, >> Eric: BUT A LOT OF THESE -- NOT JUST IN ST. PAUL, BUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT HAD CRIMINAL RECORDS BEFORE GEORGE FLOYD DIED OR BEFORE THE PANDEMIC STARTED.

AND I WONDER IF YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH THE PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES WHEN IT COMES TO SENTENCING?

>> SOME.

THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE INVOLVED I UNDERSTAND IN THIS WEEKEND'S SHOOTING HAD NO BUSINESS HAVING A GUN.

IT MAKES -- I THINK IT MAKES A REAL PROOF POINT THAT SOME OF THE GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION, THE SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION LIKE UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT I'VE TESTIFIED AT THE CAPITOL BEFORE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

AS WE THINK ABOUT THE CONCERNS WE'VE HAD DOWNTOWN AND ON WEST 7TH, THAT IS NOT A GUN VIOLENCE CONCERN.

THAT'S A FACT THAT WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS WHO REALLY NEED HELP DOWN THERE.

OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OWFERPOLICE OFFICERS HAVE I THIK DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB INCREASING -- >> Eric: AT SENTENCING, IF YOU'RE SATISFIED THAT EXISTING GUN LAWS ARE BEING IS A JUDE ADJUDICATEAND SENTENCES BASED ON A CONVICTED FELON RELEASED.

[Overlapping conversations] >> WHAT I KNOW ENDS UP HAPPENING IS, WE END UP FINDING ONE ACRE YEK DOTE OR THE WORST POSSIBLE STORY WE CAN COME UP, AND BASING OUR POLICIES ON THAT.

WE'VE DONE THAT FOR A GENERATION.

THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT US THE OUTCOMES THAT WE'VE GOT HERE TODAY.

WHEN FOLKS SAY ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE GUN VIOLENCE?

ST. PAUL, IT MAKES ME THINK YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

I WOKE UP ONE DAY WHEN I WAS MIDDLE SCHOOL WONDERING WHAT THAT HOLE WAS IN THE WALL ABOVE MY HEAD, AND ONE OF THE STORIES THAT MADE MY FATHER WHO HE IS TODAY IS LOSING TWO OF HIS COUSINS TO A DOUBLE HOMICIDE WHEN HE WAS 25 YEARS OLDS.

IT'S PLAGUED OUR COUNTRY FOR GENERATIONS, AND SO WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON PUBLIC SAFETY, THE FIRST THOUGHT THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME IS YOU'RE FINALLY LISTENING.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO TO GET PEOPLE, ALL PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO FEEL SAFE?

>> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.

AND THE -- I THINK THE OPERATIVE WORD THAT YOU JUST SAID IS ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY.

OUR TRADITIONAL APPROACHES HAVE SORT OF DRAWN A CIRCLE AND SAID WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT THESE PEOPLE INSIDE THE CIRCLE FROM THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CIRCLE AT ALL COSTS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MY FOLKS WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY POLICE OFFICERS, ECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU LIVE INSIDE THAT CIRCLE R OUTSIDE.

AND SO MANY OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY STRATEGIES HAVE BEEN CENTERED MAKING -- LEAST LIKELY -- FEEL SAFER AT THE EXPENSE OF ENSURING THAT SOME OF THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THE ONE I GREW UP IN ARE ACTUALLY SAFER.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE ENGAGED SEVERAL PEOPLE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THAT'S WHY WE'VE BUILT THIS COORDINATED, COMPREHENSIVE, AND DATA DRIVEN APPROACH.

AND THAT'S WHY WE INSIST ON A PORTFOLIO APPROACH, A BALANCED APPROACH TO PUBLIC SAFETY THAT INCLUDES RESOURCING OUR OFFICERS AND A WHOLE LOT MORE.

>> Eric: YOU HAVE BE ADVISORY GROUP THAT IS LOOKING AT RECOMMENDATIONS TO A COMMISSION ON REPARATIONS.

AND I'M INTRIGUED BY HOW THAT'S COMING ALONG AND HOW YOU ENVISION THAT'S DEVELOPING.

>> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.

THEY'RE AT THE FRONT, KIND OF END OF THAT WORK.

WE KNOW THAT LAVERY IS ONE OF OUR COUNTRY'S ORIGINAL SINS.

WE KNOW THAT OUR ECONOMY IS BUILT ON ALL OF THE FOUNDATIONS THAT HAPPENED DURING SLAVERY, AND FOLKS LIKE TO POINT OUT, WE DIDN'T HAVE SLAVERY IN MINNESOTA OR IN ST. PAUL, THAT'S ECHNICALLY INACCURATE, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE SOME AT FORT SNELLING, BUT WHETHER WE DID OR NOT, WE KNOW THAT OUR ECONOMY HAS BENEFITED BASED ON THAT, AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN THE ECHOS OF THAT.

ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS BEING THE OLD RONDO COMMUNITY THAT WAS UPROOTED TO BUILD I-94.

SO THERE IS CLEARLY A DEBT.

THERE'S CLEARLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE RESTORE THAT HARM AND I'D SAY THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY AND EDUCATION DISPARITIES AND HOPE OWNERSHIP DISPARITIES AND ALL OF THOSE DISPARITIES ARE ECHOS OF THE FACT THAT WE'VE BUILT OUR ECONOMY BASED TO SLAVE LABOR, AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE SOME OF THAT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDO SOME OF THOSE HARMS AND ROLL BACK SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES.

>> Cathy: I'D BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T ASK ABOUT THE RENT CONTROL MEASURE.

YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE YES ON THAT?

LAST WEEK, YOU WERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA SAYING YOU WERE GOING TO VOTE YES.

WHY?

>> LOOK, WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAD FIVE INDIVIDUALS LAST WINTER WHO DIED IN ST. PAUL JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A WARM PLACE TO SLEEP.

OUR TEACHERS TELL US WE HAVE STUDENTS WHO SWITCH SCHOOLS FIVE AND SIX TIMES IN A SCHOOL YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MANY TIMES THEIR FAMILIES ARE MOVING.

WE'RE A CITY AT A ALL TIME HIGH POPULATION WITH TWO DECADES OF GROWTH IN FRONT OF US.

WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS NEED TO BUILD NEW HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS NEED TO ENSURE THAT LOW INCOME FAMILIES CAN LIVE WITH STABILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP.

IT'S NOT PERFECT AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT IT IS A MEANINGFUL STEP.

>> Eric: KNOW YOU'RE BUSY.

THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON OCTON.

♪ ♪ >> Eric: CITY ELECTIONS ARE A LITTLE MORE THAN TWO WEEKS AWAY IN BOTH MINNEAPOLIS AND ST. PAUL.

THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR'S RACE AND PROPOSED POLICE REFORM HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION, BUT THERE ARE OTHER BALLOT QUESTIONS IN BOTH CITIES AND CITY COUNCIL RACES IN MINNEAPOLIS.

SOLOMON GUSTAVO FOLLOWS IT ALL FOR "MINNPOST."

SOLOMON, THE MINNEAPOLIS IS THE RENT CONTROL QUESTION IN MINNEAPOLIS ALLOWS THE COUNCIL TO START.

BUT IN ST. PAUL, THE QUESTION REALLY DOES SET A CITY POLICY, DOESN'T IT?

>> THERE'S A POLICY IN THE ST. PAUL QUESTION.

THE MINNEAPOLIS QUESTION JUST ALLOWS THE CITY COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH A POLICY.

AND POSSIBLY ENACT IT.

WHEREAS THE ST. PAUL QUESTION HAS A 3% CAP ON ANNUAL RENT INCREASES BUILT IN.

>> Cathy: SAY, ANOTHER BALLOT QUESTION IN MINNEAPOLIS, OF COURSE THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BALLOT QUESTION, BUT THERE'S THE STRONG MAYOR QUESTION.

WHAT OF THAT?

>> THE STRONG MAYOR QUESTION WOULD SHIFT OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY OVER TO THE MAYOR.

THE WAY THAT THE MAYOR HAS CONTROL OVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, WHICH THE MAYOR HAS COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THE DEPARTMENT IN MINNEAPOLIS, THAT -- THE WAY THAT IS CARRIED OUT NOW WOULD BE CARRIED OUT THROUGH A BUNCH OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT THE MAYOR WOULD BE THE BOSS.

THE PERSON THAT IS IN CHARGE OF NAMING WHO WOULD BE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD APPROVE.

AND SINCE THEY WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF NAMING THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, THEY'D BE IN CHARGE OF WHAT THE DEPARTMENT DOES, WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD DECIDES, OR THE PRIORITIES FOR WHATEVER DEPARTMENT THEY'D BE IN CHARGE OF.

>> Eric: WHAT'S THE POTENTIAL IN THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL ELECTIONS FOR A BIG TURNOVER IN THE COUNCIL?

>> I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE IN ONE?

>> Eric: IN WHAT DIRECTION?

>> WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF INCUMBENTS WHO ARE FACING CHALLENGES, THERE ARE SOME WHO AREN'T.

IN WARD 8, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL, ANDREA JESK JENKIN, DOESN'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHALLENGE.

BUT OTHERS HAVE SERIOUS CHALLENGES AND THOSE CHALLENGERS, CUNNINGHAM IN 4 AND JEREMIAH ELLISON IN 5, THEIR CHALLENGERS, PARTICULARLY RICHARD LAVITA IN WARD 4 HAS VERY DIFFERENT VIVIEWS PARTICULARLY ON POLICE OR IF THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE THE AMOUNT OF AUTHORITY THAT IS PROPOSED IN THE STRONG MAYOR QUESTION AS WELL AS IN WARD 5.

SO IF THOSE CHALLENGERS WIN.

WE COULD SEE A REAL SEA CHANGE.

>> Cathy: HOW MUCH MONEY IS BEING THROWN AROUND IN THESE CITIES?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THE MONEY HAS JUMPED UP HAT MUCH, BUT THERE ARE SOME CANDIDATES WHO HAVE RAISED UPWARDS OF $100,000, WHICH I SUPPOSE MAKES SENSE.

THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION AROUND THESE ELECTIONS THIS TIME AROUND.

>> Eric: IS THE DYNAMIC CHANGED A LITTLE BIT IN THAT THE COUNCIL IS RUNNING FOR TWO-YEAR TERMS.

THEY'LL HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION AFTER REDISTRICTING.

>> I THINK IT HAS TO BECOME A DYNAMIC SOMEWHAT.

AFTER TWO YEARS, YOU'RE KIND OF I SUPPOSE RIGHT BACK TO CAMPAIGNING OR MAYBE LOOK AT IT AS KIND OF THE IMMEDIATE ACCOUNTABILITY OR MUCH SHORTER VERSION OF IT.

SO I DO THINK IT WILL IMPACT THINGS.

>> Cathy: MAYOR CARTER DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF COMPETITION, BUT MAYOR FREY DOES.

SEVERAL D.F.L.

LAWMAKERS CAME OUT TODAY WITH AN ANYBODY BUT JACOB FREY MESSAGE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

>> JACOB FREY HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT IN HIS TENURE AS MAYOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- HE'S BECOME A POLARIZING FIGURE BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND IT MAKES SENSE THAT SOME HAVE COME OUT STRONGLY AGAINST HIM.

HE HAS SOME COMPETITION, BUT REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT HE WENT THROUGH, YOU COULD HAVE ANTICIPATED MUCH MORE, FRANKLY, AND MORE FUNDING ON THE SIDE AGAINST HIM.

SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT THERE'S BEEN A PRETTY KIND OF A STRONG STATEMENT FROM SOME GROUPS SAYING THAT HE NEEDS TO GO BECAUSE THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED FROM THE LEADERSHIP OVER THE LAST NEAR AND A HALF.

>> Eric: AND YOU'LL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH ARTICLES ON "MINNPOST".COM?

IT WILL HAVE TO GO UP, PARTICIPATION.

I THINK IT'LL EXCEED THAT THIS TIME.

IT HAS TO.

>> Eric: SOLOMON, THANKS.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING.

GRAB A CHAIR UNTIL I READ THIS, OKAY?

>> Eric: IN THE 1980S, A YOUNG ANTI-RACIST SKINHEAD CREW, SELF-NAMED "THE BALDIES," FORMED IN MINNEAPOLIS.

MEMBERS OF THE GROUP SHAVED THEIR HEADS, WORE DOC MARTENS, LISTENED TO SKA, PUNK, AND HIP-HOP MUSIC.

AND THEY FOUGHT AGAINST NEO-NAZIS.

TWIN CITIES PBS PRODUCER DAVID ROTH CAPTURES THEIR STORY IN A NEW DOCUMENTARY CALLED "THE BALDIES," PREMIERING THIS MONDAY, OCTOBER 18TH, AT 8:00 P.M. ON TPT-2.

HERE'S A SNEAK PEEK.

>> IT WAS THE VOICE OF THE ARTISTS AND THE MESSAGE IN THE MUSIC THAT HELPED US CONNECT THE DOTS AND GO, THAT'S THAT THING I'VE BEEN FEELING.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT IN THIS SONG.

[ PUNK ROCK MUSIC ] >> FROM THE MUSIC WE LISTENED TO, THE LYRICS, THE CAMARADERIE WE HAD AT THE SHOWS, AND FOR FIVE YEARS, THAT WAS THE CENTER OF MY LIFE.

♪ ♪ >> AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU WATCH US WITH ANY REGULARITY, PARENTS ALREADY HAVE PLENTY TO WORRY ABOUT.

NOW THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR PARENTS TO FEAR.

>> RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME WAS WHEN ALL OF THE INFORMATION STARTED COMING OUT ABOUT NAZI SKINHEADS IN THE MEDIA.

>> MY GUESTS TODAY CALL THEMSELVES SKINHEADS.

>> THEY ARE TRULY HATE-FILLED.

THEY ARE SELF-DESCRIBED RACISTS, WHITE SUPREMACISTS, NAZI LOVERS.

>> MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY THAT GOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A SKINHEAD WAS GOT FAMILIAR WITH IT THROUGH THE MEDIA NARRATIVE AND THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL NAZIS.

AND HERE WE ARE, WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE NOT NAZIS.

>> BUT THERE'S 11 DIFFERENT FACTIONS OF SKINS.

COMMUNIST SKINS, SOCIALIST SKINS.

THERE'S NO REAL ONE GROUP THAT YOU CAN PIN DOWN AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS A SKINHEAD.

>> FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M A JE JEWISH SINHEAD.

WHY DON'T HAVE NON-RACIST SKINHEAD UP THERE.

>> SHOW'S NOT RACIST.

>> I JUST HEARD WHAT YOU SAID.

YOU JUST SAID I DON'T SIT WITH MONKEYS.

>> THAT'S A PROVEN FACT.

>> THEY PROMOTED IT.

IT'S SO CRAZY.

THEY DENOUNCED IT, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE ONE OF THOSE TABLOID MAGAZINES.

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS MONKEY STUFF.

>> THAT'S WHAT NEWS MEDIA THIS COUNTRY REALLY WAS WHEN IT CAME TO THAT STUFF.

IT JUST SENSATIONALIZED IT.

♪ ♪ >> Cathy: RISING INFLATION, LARGEST SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE IN DECADES, STOCK MARKET UP, BUT CONSUMER PRICES ARE TOO.

ALL THIS FINANCIAL TALK MEANS ONE THING.

CHRIS FARRELL IS BACK.

HE IS A SENIOR ECONOMICS REPORTER FOR AMERICAN PUBLIC MEDIA.

OKAY, MY FRIEND, I'M SURE YOU SAW PAUL CUG MAN'S REVOLT IN THE AMERICAN WORKER OP ED SAYING THAT AMERICAN WORKERS ARE UNDERPAID AND OVERWORKED AND PEOPLE ARE QUITTING THEIR JOBS IN DROVES.

>> SINCE APRIL, ALMOST 20 MILLION HAVE VOLUNTARILY QUIT THEIR JOBS.

BY THE WAY, AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S A SERIES -- THE LAYOFF SERIES.

LAYOFFS ARE WAY DOWN.

SO THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST QUITTING THEIR JOB.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER SERIES BY THE BUREAU OF LABOR AND STATISTICS THAT SHOWS THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE TAKING NOTHER JOB.

SO IT'S CALLED THE GREAT RESIGNATION, THE BIG QUIT, BUT WE'VE GONE THROUGH HIS PERIOD OF SOCIAL ISOLATION.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH A DIFFICULT PERIOD WITH THE PANDEMIC, THE SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUES WITH GEORGE FLOYD, I THINK MANY PEOPLE HAVE RETHOUGHT WHERE DO I WANT TO WORK, WHAT IND OF ENVIRONMENT DO I WANT TO BE WORKING ON, AND THEY'RE LEAVING, AND THE THING IS, YOU WANT TO BE LEAVING WHEN EMPLOYERS ARE CLAMORING FOR WORKERS BEES RIGHT?

AND SO FOR -- WHAT IS SO MARK ABOUT THIS, IS FOR TWO DECADES, EMPLOYEES LOST MORE AND MORE POWER.

EMPLOYERS CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE CLEANING THE OFFICE?

DO YOU HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE?

OH, YOU DON'T HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE?

WE WANT TO HIRE SOMEONE WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE.

NOW YOU DON'T NEED SOMEONE WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE TO CLEAN AROUND THE OFFICE.

SO PEOPLE ARE NEGOTIATING BETTER DEALS AND BETTER SALARIES.

SOMEONE WITH TWO DECADES IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY, LOVED IT, BUT NOW HE'S WORKING IN A WARWAREHOUSE, AND HE SAID I AM NEVER GOING BACK TO THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY.

>> Cathy: WHAT SECTORS ARE LOSING OUT?

>> LEISURE AND RESTAURANT.

A LOT OF YOUR CLASSIC RETAILERS.

IT WAS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU STABLE HOURS.

WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THE MORNING OF, WHEN WE THINK TRAFFIC IS PICKING UP, THAT YOU SHOULD COME IN.

WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE CHILD CARE ISSUES AND JUST PLANNING YOUR DID, IT WAS TERRIBLE.

THAT'S THE POSITIVE SIDE OF IT.

THERE'S A NEGATIVE SIDE OF THIS.

WHICH IS THE LACK OF CHILD CARE.

AND SO DURING THE PANDEMIC, 2.1 MILLION WOMEN BETWEEN THE AGES F 25 AND 54 LOST THEIR JOBS.

AND THESE ARE TYPICALLY PEOPLE MAY HAVE CHILDREN, MAY BE TAKING CARE OF OLDER ADULTS.

1 MILLION HAVE GONE BACK, 1 POINT OF PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY 1 MILLION HAVE GONE BACK, BUT 1 MILLION HAVEN'T.

AND WHAT IT DOES APPEAR TO BE, IT'S A LACK F CHILD CARE, CHILD CARE HAS COLLAPSED.

AND ALSO THE UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, ARE THEY GOING TO STAY OPEN?

>> Eric: THE ADMINISTRATION IS TAKING STEPS TO UNCLOG THE SUPPLY CHAIN BOTTLENECK.

HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL?

>> IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

I MEAN, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

ONE IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE ADDITIONAL PROGRESS AGAINST THE VIRUS WHICH EALLY TRANSLATES INTO GETTING MORE AND MORE VACCINATED.

BUT IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT STORE YOU GO INTO, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ORDER, IT'S AT A HIGHER PRICE, AND FOR A LOT OF THINGS LIKE IS A APPLIANCES, A SOFIA, YOU KNOW, EIGHT MONTHS, MAYBE SIX MONTHS.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LUCKY.

SO, NO, IT IS A REALLY BIG DEAL.

A LOT OF STUFF IS PILING UP OUT IN THE PORTS.

BUT THERE ARE SOME SIGNS.

YOU KNOW, PRICES DO WORK.

AND THERE ARE HIGH PRICES.

PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

WE SEE FOR THE PAST THREE WEEKS, SHIPPING PRICES HAVE BEEN COMING DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

SO, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION BEING PAID TO THIS.

BUT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE LONGER THAN MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT.

AND YOU GO BACK TO EARLY JUNE.

EVERYONE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS VACCINE, IT'S INCREDIBLE AND IT'S INCREDIBLE AND PEOPLE WERE GETTING THIS VACCINE AND WE WERE FORECASTS THAT JUST BY THIS TIME OF YEAR, WE'D BE RIP ROARING, NOT HAPPENING, NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE GOT VACCINATED.

>> Cathy: INFLATION'S UP, SO DOESN'T IT CANCEL OUT?

>> 5.9% INCREASE AND INFLATION'S RUNNING AT 5.4%.

SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE, RIGHT?

SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IT JUST SORT OF MAINTAINS THE VALUE OF YOUR DOLLAR RELATIVE TO WHERE WE ARE, WHICH GETS TO THE GREAT DEBATE.

SO WE HAD THE GREAT RESIGNATION.

WHAT ABOUT INFLATION?

YOU KNOW, IS THIS A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN THE INFLATIONARY ENVIRONMENT?

OR IS IT REALLY TIED TO THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES IN THAT AS THOSE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED, THAT YOU'LL SEE THE INFLATION RATE START TO COME DOWN?

I WOULD, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD ARGUE, THIS IS STILL A SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE AND THAT MOST PEOPLE LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.

BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THAT FEAR, DO PEOPLE START GETTING NERVOUS, START ANTICIPATING INFLATION?

AND HOW THAT FEEDS IT WAY INTO THE SYSTEM.

>> Cathy: GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.

>> Eric: THANKS, CHRIS.

CURMAN GAINES DIED SUNDAY AT THE AGE OF 82.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT NAME?

GAINES WAS ST. PAUL'S FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT, SERVING FROM 1991 TO 1997 AFTER TWO DECADES AS A ST. PAUL TEACHER AND ADMINISTRATOR.

ERIC AND I TALKED WITH SUPERINTENDENT GAINES IN 1997 ON THE EVE OF AN EDUCATION SUMMIT CALLED TO DEAL WITH LOW TEST SCORES AND A GROWING ACHIEVEMENT GAP.

HERE'S A SMALL PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU HOPE WILL COME OUT OF THIS SUMMIT?

NOW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SOLUTIONS, OR AT LEAST THE ORGANIZERS ARE TALKING A LOT ABOUT SOLUTIONS.

WHAT, IN YOUR MIND, WHAT MIGHT BE A CREATIVE SOLUTION THAT HASN'T MAYBE EVEN BEEN TRIED BEFORE?

>> WELL, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I THINK IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY WORKING TOGETHER.

BECAUSE IN THE PAST, I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOO MUCH IN ISOLATION.

AND REGARDLESS WHO'S AT FAULT ON THAT.

BUT I AM HOPING THAT TOMORROW, OUT OF THIS SUMMIT, WE WILL GET A UNIFIED COMMUNITY IN ST. PAUL, WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE KIDS.

♪ ♪ >> Eric: AS THE COVID PANDEMIC LINGERS AROUND THE GLOBE, MANY AMERICANS ARE TRAVELING AGAIN, AND BORDERS ARE RE-OPENING.

BUT CHALLENGES AND TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS REMAIN.

KYLE POTTER IS THE EXECUTIVE EDITOR FOR "THRIFTY TRAVELER."

BASED IN TOWN HERE.

U.S. IS LIFTING RESTRICTIONS ON FULLY ACCINATED INTERNATIONAL TRAVELERS AS OF NOVEMBER 8TH.

BIG DEAL?

>> YES AND NO.

YOU KNOW, FOR US AMERICANS, IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE MUCH.

IT'S STILL GOING TO DEPEND ON WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

IS ITALY OR THE U.K. OR AUSTRALIA GOING TO LET US IN?

YES, YES, NO.

WE STILL NEED TO GET COVID TESTS IN ORDER TO FLY BACK TO THE NATE.

THAT IS NOT CHANGING.

BUT WHAT'S CHANGING IS THIS IS NOW A TWO-WAY STREET, BECAUSE FOR THE LAST 20 MINUTES, BRITS AND ITALIANS AND FRANKLY MOST PEOPLE AROUND THE GLOBE WHO WANTED TO COME TO THE NATE UNITD STATES COULD NOT GET HERE.

IT REALLY KIND OF CHANGES THE CAPITAL COULD YOU WILL YOU SAY ESPECIALLY FOR AIRLINES AND TRAVEL INDUSTRY FOLKS.

PEOPLE WHO RUN HOTELS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

IT IS GOING TO BE A CHANGE.

NO QUESTION.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE MUCH FOR THE THREE OF US.

>> Cathy: WATCHING THIS SOUTHWEST AIRLINE SITUATION, YOU WOULD THINK FLYING IS A MESS, BUT THIS IS JUST SOUTHWEST'S PROBLEM AT THIS POINT?

>> WHAT HAPPENED WITH SOUTHWEST IS A DIFFERENT CHAPTER FROM THE SAME BOOK THAT WE'VE SEEN PLAY OUT FOR MOST OF THE LAST YEAR.

WHICH IS THAT AIRLINES ARE STRETCHED REALLY, REALLY THIN RIGHT NOW.

YOU GO BACK TO MARCH AND APRIL OF 2020, TRAVEL DISAPPEAREDDED OVERNIGHT.

AND THEY GAVE PEOPLE BUYOUTS.

THEY INCENTIVIZED EARLY RETIREMENT.

EVERY SINGLE AIRLINE IN THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, WINNOWED ITS RANKS BY THOUSANDS, WHICH WAS GREAT FOR THEIR BOTTOM LINE AT THE TIME, BUT FAST-FORWARD TO TODAY WHEN ONCE 2 MILLION PLUS AMERICANS ARE TRAVELING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

YOU KNOW, AIRLINES CAN MAKE THAT WORK.

BUT THEY'RE STRETCHED SO THIN THAT IF YOU INTRODUCE ONE PROBLEM, BAD WEATHER, LABOR ISSUES, EVEN SOMETHING AS SMALL AS AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, IT SOUNDS SILLY, BUT IT STARTS A SNOW BALL EFFECT AND AIRLINE OPERATIONS START TO FALL APART REALLY, REALLY FAST.

SO WE SAW IT WITH SOUTHWEST, WE SAW IT WITH SPIRIT AIRLINES EARLIER THIS SUMMER.

WE SAW IT WITH DELTA AIRLINES OVER THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS, AND EASTER AGAIN.

IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF IME BEFORE IT HAPPENS TO ANOTHER AIRLINE.

>> Eric: M.S.P.

IS A DELTA HUB.

WHAT'S THE EXPERIENCE BEEN OUT THERE?

>> IT DOES FEEL PRETTY MUCH BACK TO NORMAL.

THERE ARE FEWER FLIGHTS TO CHOOSE FROM.

SO PRE-PANDEMIC, YOU COULD FLY DEALT FROM MINNEAPOLIS TO CHICAGO 15 TIMES A DAY, BASICALLY BASIC YOUR HOUR AND YOU COULD GET OUT THERE.

RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN FLIGHTS A DAY.

AND THAT SAME PATTERN PLAYS OUT.

BUT THE FLYING EXPERIENCE, OTHER THAN WEARING A MASK IN THE AIRPORT AND ON THE AIRPLANE, IT'S PRETTY DARN CLOSE TO NORMAL.

>> Cathy: I WANT TO GET BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH SOUTHWEST.

I MEAN, AS YOU SAY, DIFFERENT CHAPTER, SAME BOOK.

WHAT DOES THAT PORTEND THEN FOR HOLIDAY TRAVEL?

>> IT DEPENDS.

WHAT HAPPENED WITH SOUTHWEST IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE AIRLINE IS NOT JUST THAT THEY'RE STRETCHED THIN, BUT THEY BIT OFF MORE THAN THEY COULD CHEW.

SO THESE AIRLINES AFTER SUCH A HORRIBLE, HISTORICALLY BAD TIME HAVE BEEN SO ANXIOUS TO CARRY AS MANY PASSENGERS AS THEY CAN, THEY'VE SCHEDULED TOO MANY FLIGHTS.

SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES EVERYTHING GO PERFECTLY OVER THE HOLIDAYS?

THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T KNOW, BUT THE ANSWER IS ALSO PROBABLY NOT, SO FOR ANYONE WHO'S TRAVELING, YOU KNOW, AT ANY TIME BUT ESPECIALLY OVER THE HOLIDAYS, I WOULD PREPARE FOR SOME ROUGH TIMES AND IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT'S GREAT, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL BE PREPARED.

>> Eric: HOW GENEROUS ARE THE AIRLINES WITH VOUCHERS OR CANCELLATION, WAIVING THE FEES?

>> THAT HAS BEEN TRULY THE BIGGEST SILVER LINING OF THIS PANDEMIC IS IT HAS FORCED AIRLINES TO GIVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO TRAVELERS THAT WE NEVER HAD BEFORE, AT LEAST NOT FOR THE LAST DECADE.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALL ACCUSTOMED HEADING INTO THE PANDEMIC TO PAYING 200 PLUS DOLLARS IN ORDER TO CHANGE A TICKET.

AND THAT CHANGED.

EXCEPT FOR THE ABSOLUTE CHEAPEST, BASIC ECONOMY FARES, THEY HAVE DONE AWAY WITH CHANGE FEES ALTOGETHER.

IT IS TRULY THE BEST THING COMING OUT OF THIS PANDEMIC.

IS IT GOING TO LAST FOREVER?

NOTHING LASTS FOREVER IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY, BUT AT EAST FOR NOW WE GET TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE PLANNING SOME BIG TRIP WHERE THINGS FEEL UNCERTAIN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, BUY A TICKET WITHOUT FEELING LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE SOMEWHERE IF YOU NEED TO CANCEL.

>> THRIFTYTRAVELER.COM?

>> THAT IS US.

>> Eric: THANKS OR COMING.

♪ ♪ >> IT'S OCTOBER, AND THAT MEANS HALLOWEEN, THAT SPECIAL TIME OF YEAR WHERE WE EXPLAIN TO KIDS THAT BEING SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT ISN'T JUST FUN, IT COMES WITH TANGIBLE REWARDS.

IT ALSO MEANS THAT MINNESOTANS OF A CERTAIN AGE WILL MOST DEFINITELY BE TALKING ABOUT THE 1991 HALLOWEEN BLIZZARD.

IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE STORY, ALLOW ME TO ENLIGHTEN YOU.

IN 1991, THERE WAS A BLIZZARD, ON HALLOWEEN.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S THE STORY.

EVERY YEAR ON HALLOWEEN, SOMEONE BRINGING UP THIS STORY AND EVERY YEAR I'M REMINDED THAT IT'S A BAD STORY.

WE LIVE IN MINNESOTA.

IT SNOWS.

IF WE LIVED IN, SAY, BANGLADESH, HEN IT MIGHT BE MORE INTERESTING.

BUT WE DON'T, SO IT'S NOT.

WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE QUALITY OF OUR SMALL TALK?

THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE WEATHER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WEATHER 30 YEARS AGO.

AND WHAT'S WORSE, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE BLIZZARD, THEY DO IT WITH THIS REF REPUBLICANS.

THIS ISN'T YOUR D-DAY.

YOU WERE DRESSED AS BATMAN LOOKING FOR CHOCOLATE.

I'M SURE THE SURVIVING MEMBERS OF POM PAIS STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT AFTER TEN YEARS.

HEY, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THAT VOLCANO ERUPTED?

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE DOING THIS HALLOWEEN.

IF SOMEONE BRINGS UP THE 1991 BLIZZARD, I'M GOING TO SCOFF AND GET SOMETHING TO DRINK, BECAUSE YOU CAN EITHER BE TRICKED INTO HEARING THAT STORY OR TREAT YOURSELF TO SOME CHOICE VINO.

THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

HAVE A HAPPY HALLOWEEN, EVERYONE.

♪ ♪ >> Cathy: TRADITIONAL DAKOTA DANCERS, DRUMMERS, SINGERS, AND OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS CELEBRATED INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY EARLIER THIS WEEK BY DEDICATING LAND IN ST. PAUL FOR THE WAKAN TIPI CENTER.

THE $8.3 MILLION PROJECT WILL FILL THREE ACRES OF THE BRUCE VENTO NATURE SANCTUARY NEAR DOWNTOWN ST. PAUL.

THE CULTURAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL INTERPRETIVE CENTER IS SLATED TO OPEN IN 2023.

MAGGIE LORENZ IS THE WAKAN TIPI CENTER DIRECTOR.

WELCOME TO "ALMANAC."

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Cathy: THAT WITH A LOVELY EVENT THAT YOU HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK.

>> THANK YOU.

IT WAS -- IT WAS A LOT OF PLANNING.

AND WE WERE REALLY EXCITED TO HOST ALL OF THE COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT WERE ABLE TO ATTEND.

AND EXHIBIT THEIR CULTURAL PERFORMANCES.

SO IT TURNED OUT REALLY BEAUTIFULLY.

>> Cathy: THAT I HAS BEEN A LONG TIME UNTIL THE MAKING.

>> YES, ACTUALLY, I'VE BEEN WITH THE ORGANIZATION SINCE 2019, BUT THIS EFFORT FOR WAKAN TIPI CENTER HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS SINCE, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO 2013, I WOULD SAY.

>> Eric: WHAT WILL THE CENTER'S MISSION BE?

>> WELL, WE HAVE THREE MAIN GOALS.

FIRST, IS TO HONOR AND PROTECT THE WAKAN TIP YEAR SACRED SITE.

SO THE 27-ACRE NATURE SANCTUARY AT THE VERY FAR END IS A CAVE THAT IS CONSIDERED SACRED TO DAKOTA PEOPLE.

SECONDLY, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO RECONNECT DAKOTA PEOPLE AND OTHER AMERICAN INDIAN PEOPLE TO THE SITE, EXPLORE THAT HISTORY, RECONNECT PEOPLE TO CULTURE, LANGUAGE, TRADITIONS THERE.

AND FOR NON-NATIVE PEOPLE WE REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO ELEVATE AND ILLUMINATE THE LIVES OF CONTEMPORARY AMERICAN INDIAN PEOPLE IN THE DEVISE.

TWIN CITIES.

>> Cathy: SOME PEOPLE CALL IT CARVER'S CAVE.

DO YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THAT AREA?

>> YEAH, SO IT AS ACTUALLY IN THE YEAR 1766 THAT AN ENGLISH EXPLORER NAMED JONATHAN CARVER TRAVELED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE UNITED STATES HERE IN THE MIDWEST REGION.

AND LEARNED ABOUT THIS CAVE.

HE DOCUMENTED IT IN HIS JOURNALS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST PERSON WHO KIND OF EXTENSIVELY VISITED THE SITE.

HE STAYED WITH THE DAKOTA PEOPLE THERE FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

AND WROTE A LOT BOUT THE COMMUNITY THERE.

SO THAT'S THE REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL THE CAVE CARVER'S CAVE, BUT T DID HAVE A NAME PREVIOUS, WHICH WAS WAKAN TIPI.

A >> Eric: AND I SUPPOSE THAT'S ONE OF THE POINTS YOU'LL MAKE TO NON-DAKOTA PEOPLE.

>> ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.

>> Cathy: TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE INTERPRETIVE CENTER YOU HAVE PLANNED.

I'M SURE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PROGRAMS AND ALL OF THAT.

>> YEAH, SO WE REALLY ARE THINKING RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE INTERPRETIVE THEMES.

WE HAVE A STEERING OMMITTEE THAT IS ALL LED BY DAKOTA PEOPLE.

SO WE HAVE TRIBAL HISTORIC PREFERENCATION OFFICERS FROM ALL FOUR TRIBES IN MINNESOTA, PRAIRIE ISLAND, SHAKOPEE, UPPER SIOUX AND LOWER SIOUX, ARE ALL PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS.

AND WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE MINNESOTA INDIAN AFFAIRS COUNCIL AS WELL.

SO WE'RE REALLY DEVELOPING OUR INTERPRETIVE THEMES, THE KIND OF STORIES THAT WE WANT TO TELL, OUR ESSAGING, AND WHAT KIND OF METHODS WE WANT TO USE TO TELL THOSE STORIES.

>> Eric: I WAS REALLY INTRIGUED BY ONE OF THE ARTICLES I READ, THAT THE BELIEF IS THAT ANCESTOR SPIRITS HAVE PICKED THIS TIME TO RECLAIM THE LAND.

>> YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT FOR ME IS DEEPLY PERSON AS A DAKOTA PERSON.

I IDN'T GROW UP WITH MY TRADITIONS AND MY CEREMONIES BECAUSE OF THE LONG HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY OF GENOCIDAL POLICIES TOWARDS NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE, DISCONNECTING PEOPLE FROM THEIR TRADITIONS AND THEIR TRADITIONAL WAY OF LIFE.

AND SO YOU KNOW FORTUNATELY THAT WAS THE CASE FOR MY -- UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS THE CASE FOR MY FAMILY.

AND SO FOR ME, THIS IS REALLY AN INCREDIBLE LEARNING EXPERIENCE AND ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND DO SOMETHING THAT I FEEL IS HONORING MY ANCESTORS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE ME.

>> Cathy: IT DOES FEEL LIKE THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR THIS CENTER, DOESN'T IT?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF -- A LOT OF THINGS DURING THIS PROJECT THAT I REALLY FEEL LIKE WERE JUST MEANT TO BE.

YOU KNOW?

AND SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY IS RIGHT.

THE TIME IS NOW.

PEOPLE ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR AND HUNGRY FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT INDIGENOUS PEOPLES HERE IN MINNESOTA.

AND I THINK THAT WITH THIS BEING A NATIVE-LED PROJECT, WE OFFER SOMETHING REALLY UNIQUE IN THE TWIN CITIES AREA TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT EDUCATION AND BRING THAT AUTHENTIC STORY FROM A DAKOTA PERSPECTIVE.

>> Eric: KEEP US POSTED.

>> Cathy: WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK.

>> THANK YOU.

♪ ♪ >> Eric: BUSY WEEK FOR REDISTRICTING.

HOUSE AND SENATE COMMITTEES ASSIGNED TO REDRAW THE STATE'S POLITICAL LINES MET AND EVEN PASSED LANGUAGE TO GUIDE THEM.

MEANWHILE, THE JUDICIAL PANEL THAT USUALLY ENDS UP DOING TO FINAL REDISTRICTING STARTED HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC, AS MARY LAHAMMER SHOWS US, CITIZENS HAVE AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY IN INFLUENCING THE OUTCOME OF WHO WILL REPRESENT THEM GOING FORWARD.

>> THIS IS SPECIAL SESSION OF THE MINNESOTA SPECIAL REDISTRICT EAT PANEL -- >> Mary: THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT FOR ALL MINNESOTANS.

THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE PANEL OF JUDGES WHO WILL LIKELY END UP DRAWING THE LINES FOR THE LAWMAKERS WHO REPRESENT YOU.

>> WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE UNUSUAL SITUATION OF CONDUCTING PARALLEL REDISTRICTING PROCESSES.

>> Mary: IF STATE LAWMAKERS IN A DIVIDED LEGISLATURE CAN'T AGREE ON NEW MAPS BY FEBRUARY 15TH, THIS PANEL OF JUDGES WILL STEP IN.

>> WHEN I WORKED FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE -- >> Mary: 20 YEARS AGO, JOE MANSKE HANDLING REDISTRICTING FOR THEN GOVERNOR JESSE VENTURA.

>> THAT PANEL DID THE SAME THING THAT THIS ONE IS DOING, GETTING TESTIMONY FROM PEOPLE, PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND JUST ORDINARY CITIZENS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM OUR EXPERIENCE THAT THE PANEL DOES LISTEN TO THIS TESTIMONY AND IN FACT THE PLAN THEY CAME OUT WITH IN 2002 REFLECTS SOME OF THE TESTIMONY THAT THEY HEARD.

>> Mary: CITIZEN INPUT IS ESSENTIAL.

HERE JUDGES IN THE COMPETITIVE GROWING SUBURB OF WOODBURY GOT A GOOD SENSE OF THE COMMUNITY.

>> WHETHER YOU'RE A WORKING CLASS PERSON OR UPPER MIDDLE CLASS, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE INCLUDES.

>> I'VE SEEN SOME IMAGES OF CRAZY GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

MINNESOTA HAS BEEN RELYING ON JUDGES LIKE YOU TO CREATE FAIRER DISTRICTS.

>> PARTISANS HAVE REALIZED THAT IN THESE POLARIZED TIMES, THE BEST WAY O FLIP A DISTRICT IS TO GERRYMANDER IT.

>> Y COMMUNITY AND ALL COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST DESERVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FROM A POINT OF COMMUNITY STRENGTH.

TO NOT ONLY LIVE, BUT TO THRIVE.

PLEASE BE N THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.

>> WOODBURY IS ON THE PURPLE LINE.

LIKE EAGAN.

LIKE PLYMOUTH.

LIKE MAPLE GROVE.

THAT THE EXACT LOCATION OF DISTRICT BOUNDARIES IN A COMMUNITY LIKE WOODBURY ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL FOR DETERMINING WHO IS GOING TO CONTROL THE LEGISLATURE IN 2023 AND THE TEN YEARS BEYOND.

>> Mary: WE'RE STILL KIND OF WAKING UP TO THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT AME THROUGH IN THE CENSUS.

>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

AND AGAIN, FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN WASHINGTON COUNTY I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE FAR MORE RACIALLY DIVERSE THAN THEY WERE 20 YEARS AGO, EVEN 10 YEARS AGO.

>> Mary: THE JUDICIAL PANEL ALSO HEARD FROM FOLKS IN THE STATE'S MOST POPULOUS STUDY WITH RATHER LOW ATTENDANCE.

>> HISS TOURICALLY, MINNESOTA HAS ACTUALLY DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH REDISTRICTING.

>> TO ENSURE THAT BLACK, INADDITIONAL NOWTION AND PEOPLE OF COLOR COMMUNITIES HAVE THEIR INTERESTS REPRESENTED.

REPRESENTATION MATTERS AND IT BEGINS WITH FAIR MAPS.

>> I WAS AT THE HEARING ACTUALLY IN MINNEAPOLIS.

AND IT DID NOT SURPRISE ME THAT THERE WEREN'T VERY MANY PEOPLE THERE AND THAT IT DOES REALLY MATTER WHERE THE BOUNDARIES IN MINNEAPOLIS ARE DRAWN, THE D.F.L.

PARTY IS GOING TO WIN EVERY ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS.

THE REPUBLICANS WILL WIN EVERY DISTRICT IN CARVER COUNTY.

IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF HOW PEOPLE HAVE SELF-SEGREGATED WHEN THEY HAVE MADE HOUSING CHOICES IN THE PAST.

>> Mary: MANSKY HAD THE FORESIGHT TO SEE THE DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFTS COMING.

>> 20 YEARS AGO, I GAVE A BRIEFING WHERE I MENTIONED TO JESSE VENTURA THAT THE CITIES LIKE EDINA, ROCHESTER, SHORE VIEW, WERE GOING TO MOVE FROM REPUBLICAN TO D.F.L.

AND THAT THAT NORTHERN MINNESOTA FROM SIDE TO SIDE, EAST TO WEST, WOULD GO FROM DFL TO REPUBLICAN, AND OF COURSE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE SEEN HAPPEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

>> Mary: DID EOPLE BELIEVE YOU AT THE TIME.

WERE THEY SKEPTICAL?

>> THEY WERE TOTALLY SCEPT ALE.

>> Mary: THE RETIRED ELECTIONS DIRECTOR HAS NONPARTISAN CREDIBILITY ACROSS THE BOARD.

>> I'M ONE THE PLAINTIFFS IN THE LAWSUIT THAT ACTUALLY GOT THIS PROCESS GOING.

WE WERE A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT NOTHING WAS HAPPENING ON THE LEGISLATIVE FRONT.

>> WE PLAN TO HAVE OME MORE REDISTRICTING HEARINGS SCHEDULED.

>> Mary: LAWMAKERS HAVE MET IN THEIR REDISTRICTING COMMITTEES, BUT MANY ARE SKEPTICAL THEY'LL GET A BILL SIGNED.

>> TODAY WE'RE TAKING THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS IN ADOPTING THE REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES.

>> THE CHANCES OF GETTING A BILL THAT BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE COULD AGREE TO WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.

AND IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHY.

THE FACT THAT RURAL MINNESOTA HAS LOST POPULATION.

MEANING THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE REPRESENTATION IN THE NEW PLAN.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO THROW THEIR FRIENDS NDER THE BUS.

WHO WANTS TO VOTE FOR THAT BILL?

>> Mary: ULTIMATELY OUR STATE'S RESPECTED NONPARTISAN JUDICIARY HAS A HISTORY OF DRAWING WHAT'S SEEN AS FAIR, COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS.

>> THIS IS THE THIRD PANEL THAT HAS BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CHIEF JUSTICE.

INTERESTINGLY, ALL THREE PANELS HAVE HAD TWO JUDGES APPOINTED BY D.F.L.

GOVERNORS, TWO JUDGES APPOINTED BY REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS, AND ONE JUDGE WHO WAS APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR VENTURA.

I THINK THAT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE.

THAT BALANCE I THINK HAS REALLY SERVED OUR STATE ELL.

♪ ♪ >> Eric: STILL NO FALL SPECIAL SESSION TO DEAL WITH HERO PAY FOR FRONTLINE WORKERS OR DROUGHT ASSISTANCE FOR FARMERS AS GOVERNOR WALZ AND SENATE REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO DISAGREE ABOUT COVID RESTRICTIONS, VACCINE MANDATES, AND THE FUTURE OF WALZ CABINET MEMBERS.

A DUO OF POLITICAL REPORTERS JOIN US WITH MORE.

DANA FERGUSON WRITES FOR THE FORUM NEWS SERVICE.

HER BYLINE CAN BE FOUND IN NEWSPAPERS ALL OVER GREATER MINNESOTA.

JESSIE VAN BERKEL'S BYLINE LIVES IN THE "STAR TRIBUNE."

WELCOME BACK, BOTH OF YOU.

DANA, THE GOVERNOR, HIS QUOTE TODAY IS, MY PATIENCE IS GONE.

AND THAT JEREMY MILLER THE NEW SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADER IS SAYING THAT YOU'RE STANDING IN THE WAY OF FRONT-LINE WORKERS GETTING THEIR PAY BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING O PROTECT CABINET MEMBER JAN MALCOLM, THE HEALTH COMMISSIONER.

BRICK BATS ARE FLYING.

>> IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THIS MORNING SEEING THE GOVERNOR USE THE D-WORD A LOT OF TIMES.

HE'S NOT BIG ON SWEARS.

BUT HE WAS VERY UPSET.

THE COMMISSIONER JAN MALCOLM, ALSO REALLY UPSET THIS MORNING.

THEY'RE NEARING THEIR WIT'S END.

REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO AGREE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ABOUT WHERE THAT $250 MILLION OF FRONT-LINE HERO PAY SHOULD GO.

THEY STILL DON'T.

THEY'RE WORKING ON IT, APPARENTLY.

>> Eric: WEDNESDAY THEY HAVE A MEETING.

>> YES, THEY WILL MEET AGAIN NEXT WEEK.

IT DOESN'T SEEM REALLY PROMISING.

BASED ON WHAT WE SAW TODAY.

BUT SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO SEE THAT BLOW UP BEFORE ANYTHING CONCRETE CAN COME TOGETHER AT THE CAPITOL.

>> Cathy: JESSE, I'M WONDERING BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURE THE GOVERNOR IS PROBABLY GETTING FROM UNIONS FOR THE HERO PAY, WOULD HE HAVE TO SACRIFICE JAN MALCOLM TO GET THAT HERO PAY DEAL?

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK THE GOVERNOR HAS STOOD FIRM THAT HE IS NOT WILLING TO GO INTO THIS SPECIAL SESSION WITHOUT THE PROMISE FROM SENATE REPUBLICANS THAT THEY WOULD NOT OUSTER, BUT SHE COULD FACE AN OUSTER COME JANUARY WHEN THE LEGISLATURE RETURNS FOR THE REGULAR SESSION.

SO WE'LL SEE.

>> Eric: THE GOVERNOR TOOK A BUNCH OF STEPS TODAY INCLUDING ACTIVATING THE NATIONAL GUARD TO HELP OUT WITH LONG-INTERPRET CARE FACILITIES.

HE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE EMERGENCY POWERS ANYMORE.

THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS WOULD LIKE TO REVISE THE GENERAL EMERGENCY POWERS STATUTE FOR THE GOVERNOR.

HE SAYS NO TO THAT.

HOW MUCH CAN HE DO WITHOUT -- AS NOW HIS EMERGENCY POWERS HAVE EXPIRED?

>> HE MADE THE POINT TODAY THAT HE'S PRETTY LIMITED IN WHAT HE CAN DO WITHOUT THE LEGISLATURE AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THERE'S UCH A STRONG FRUSTRATION FROM BOTH LEGISLATORS AND THE GOVERNOR.

THAT THERE IS ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT HOSPITALS NEED SOME WAIVERS TO GET BEDS OPEN.

THAT LONG-TERM CARE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FUNDING TO HELP OUT, THEY ARE SO SHORT OF STAFF RIGHT NOW AND JUST ACROSS THE BOARD, COVID IS REALLY CAUSING A PROBLEM STILL AGAIN IN HOSPITALS, AND IN COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE.

BUT WITHOUT EMERGENCY POWERS, IT'S NOT S IT WAS FOR ALL THOSE MANY MONTHS.

THE GOVERNOR CAN'T JUST DO IT ON HIS OWN.

THERE'S SOME ABILITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH OR THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES TO MAKE CHANGES, BUT THERE'S NOT NEARLY THAT FREEDOM THAT HE HAD.

>> Eric: SO THE CHANCE OF A SPECIAL SESSION IS WHAT?

>> WELL, GOOD QUESTION.

>> Eric: I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT A SOOTHE SAYER, BUT I MEAN -- >> WELL, WE WERE WAITING FOR MORE THAN A MONTH.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN WAS TO HAVE A DEAL ON SEPTEMBER 6TH.

THAT DIDN'T TRANSPIRE.

[ Laughter ] AND HERE WE ARE.

AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED SINCE THAT, YOU KNOW, INITIAL POINT IN TIME.

WE DON'T HAVE A DEAL ON THE HERO PAY.

AND THIS LIST OF ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FROM THE GOVERNOR HASN'T FOUND A GREAT AUDIENCE WITH THE SENATE REPUBLICANS.

SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING ANY CLOSER TO A SPECIAL SESSION.

>> Cathy: KIND OF A STANDOFF HERE.

SENATOR WIGER IS RETIRING.

HE'S BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

DO WE THINK THAT'S KIND OF A PRECURSOR TO SOME LA LARGER TURNOVER?

>> IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EARLY TO SAY, BUT WE HAVE STARTED HEARING RUMBLINGS ABOUT LONGER TERM MEMBERS PREPARING TO RETIRE OR CONSIDERING IT AS YOUNGER CANDIDATES ARE COMING OUT AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO RUN.

THIS IS SOMETHING I'M INTERESTED IN DOING.

SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE OUT ON THAT FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS OR MONTHS.

>> YEAH, I BELIEVE HE'S ONE A FEW SENATORS WHO ARE ANTICIPATING RETIREMENT.

>> Eric: NOW THE GENERATIONAL SHIFT IN THE LEADERSHIP IS VERY INTERESTING IN THE SENATE WHERE JEREMY MILLER IS A YOUNGER FELLA WITH A YOUNG FAMILY.

MELISA LOPEZ FRANZEN.

AND THEY WERE BOTH MEMBERS OF THE URPLE CAUCUS.

HOW IS THAT ALL WORKING OUT, THE CHANGE AT THE TOP?

>> CAN'T SAY IT'S SEEMING RIGHT AWAY LIKE THEY'RE SOLVING ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE LEGISLATURE WITH THEIR BIPARTISANSHIP.

BUT MAYBE IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION RIGHT NOW.

I THINK, JESSE, YOU SPOKE TO THE NEW LEADER, LEADER MILLER.

AND HE'S ESSENTIALLY SAID THE BEST THING TO DO FOR PICKING LEADERS IS PICK SOMEONE WHO'S REALLY BUSY ALREADY.

>> YEAH, HE HAD THAT PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU WANT SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO GET THINGS DONE.

YOU PICK A BUSINESS PERSON, IS WHAT HE SAID.

SO HE'S KIND OF FOCUSED ON TRYING TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON THEIR PRIORITIES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TALKED A LOT ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH THE PURPLE CAUCUS AND, YOU KNOW, WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE.

SO WE'LL SEE.

YOU KNOW, TIME WILL TELL WHEN THE REGULAR SESSION STARTS.

>> Cathy: DOESN'T SOUND LIKE HE'S -- THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GOVERNOR MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN OFF ON A WRONG FOOT PERHAPS GIVEN WHAT WE SAW TODAY?

>> PERHAPS, AND THE TRADING OF LETTERS BACK AND FORTH DID NOT LOOK PROMISING.

BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL WHEN YOU'RE WATCHING FROM AFAR AND YOU'RE READING THESE LETTERS BACK AND FORTH.

YOU KIND HAVE TO SEE WHEN THEY GREATER WEIGET IN THE ROOM.

>> Eric: DOES THIS MINNEAPOLIS VOTE ON THE FUTURE OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO RESONATE AROUND THE STATE AS AN ISSUE?

>> I WOULD THINK IT HAS TO, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE A LITTLE BIT ALREADY AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF CONGRESSIONAL RACES, SEEING PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN MINNEAPOLIS COME OUT AND SAY, THEIR POSITION ON THE MATTER.

BUT I WOULD THINK JUST THE WAY THAT WE HEARD ABOUT IT LAST YEAR, AS THE CAMPAIGNS WERE RUNNING, AND NOW GOING INTO THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, WE'RE BOUND TO HEAR MORE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHAT FOLKS THINK.

>> Cathy: I'M SORRY.

CURIOUS ABOUT THE STORY TODAY THAT SEVEN MINNEAPOLIS LAWMAKERS, REPRESENTATIVES, WERE CALLING FOR A NEW MAYOR.

ANYBODY BUT JACOB FREY, EVIDENTLY.

DID THAT SURPRISE ANYBODY?

WHAT WAS THE REACTION TO THAT STORY?

>> GO FOR IT.

>> NO, NEITHER OF US COVERED THAT.

WE WERE FOCUSED ON THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> Eric: MORE TRADITIONAL DEMOCRATS ARE ENDORSING FREY AND THE MORE LIBERAL ONES ARE ENDORSING ANYBODY BUT FREY.

HOW DEEP IS THIS SCHISM?

>> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.

HOW MUCH RE PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION OUTSIDE OF MINNEAPOLIS?

>> Eric: DO THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ANY SHOT TO EXPAND IN GREATER MINNESOTA?

>> I THINK THERE ARE A FEW COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY MIGHT.

THERE ARE SOME -- >> Eric: COLLEGE COMMUNITIES.

>> MOSTLY, YEAH.

TOWNSHIP AREAS OR AREAS WHERE THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED CD SINCE THE LAST ELECTION OR COULD CHANGE AGAIN AFTER REDISTRICTING, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE A REPEAT.

>> Eric: TELL US A LITTLE BIT, BEFORE WE HAVE TO GO HERE, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PHASEOUT OF THE MORTGAGE OR THE MORATORIUM ON EVICTIONS.

>> OH, SURE, YEAH -- >> YOU DID A STORY ON THAT, I THINK?

>> I'VE DONE A NUMBER OF STORIES ON THAT.

YEAH.

IT'S SLOWLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A HALT ON EVICTIONS, AND THEY'RE SLOWLY PHASING THAT PROCESS OUT.

WITH THIS WEEK WE HAD YET ANOTHER DEADLINE.

I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER 12TH.

THERE WAS A CHANGE UP.

AND SO NOW THEY CAN -- THEY DON'T NEED TO GIVE THIS 15-DAY NOTICE IN ORDER O FILE FOR AN EVICTION, A LANDLORD WOULDN'T NEED TO ANYMORE.

AND ALSO, FOLKS CAN BE EVICTED, BUT IF THEY HAVE FILED TO RECEIVE SOME FEDERAL DOLLARS TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THEIR RENTAL COSTS, THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE REMOVED.

>> Eric: IS THE FEDERAL MONEY GETTING TO THE SOURCE?

I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMPLAINTS EARLY ON.

>> I HAVEN'T CHECKED RECENTLY.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS INITIALLY WITH A SLOW ROLLOUT, BOTH IN MINNESOTA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH THOSE DOLLARS.

BUT AS FAR AS I'VE HEARD, THAT ISSUE HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP RECENTLY.

HAVE YOU HEARD MORE, DANA?

>> I THINK BASICALLY WHAT YOU SAID.

VERY SLOW ROLLOUT, THERE ARE LANDLORDS ESPECIALLY WHO ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE PACE OF HOW QUICKLY THE MONEY'S BEEN GETTING OUT THE DOOR, AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.

>> Cathy: I KNEW YOU WERE WITH THE GOVERNOR EARLIER TODAY.

AND OF COURSE YOU BOTH HEARD THE KIND OF RUMBLING ABOUT DO YOU THINK THAT LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR FLANAGAN WILL RUN WITH GOVERNOR WALZ AGAIN.

DID ANYBODY ASK HIM BOUT THAT TODAY?

>> WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TODAY JUST BECAUSE FOLKS HAD SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL SESSION, THE STATE OF COVID IN MINNESOTA, EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON, BUT FROM LAST I HEARD, THEY'RE STILL IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT OR THEY HAVE PLANS TO ANNOUNCE AT A LATER DATE.

>> THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SAID, THAT'S THE PLAN, I BELIEVE WAS HER WORD.

SO -- >> Cathy: THAT'S THE PLAN.

>> Eric: LITTLE INDETERMINANT.

657 MILLION ABOVE THE FEBRUARY FORECAST FOR REVENUE COLLECTION.

THE STATE IS JUST SWIMMING IN THIS RESERVE MONEY, ISN'T IT?

>> IT SEEMS LIKE IT, OR CERTAINLY DOING BETTER THAN WE EXPECTED TO BACK THEN.

GRANTED, IF YOU THINK BACK TO FEBRUARY, THE WORLD WAS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN IT IS NOW.

BUT WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF INTEREST GROUPS, FARMERS, CERTAINLY.

FRONT-LINE WORKERS.

WHO ARE LOOKING AT THAT POOL OF MONEY AND SAYING, WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING THIS TO US?

WHY AREN'T WE GETTING SOME MORE HELP?

OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING'S PRETTY STALLED AT THE CAPITOL AT THIS POINT.

AND I THINK THE UBLIC PRESSURE IS STARTING TO BUILD EVEN MORE TO DO SOMETHING.

BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF ANYTHING IN A WHILE.

>> Eric: AND TOO MUCH MONEY CAN BE AS BIG A PROBLEM AS NOT ENOUGH TOO, REALLY.

>> CERTAINLY.

>> Eric: ALL RIGHT, GUYS, THANKS VERY MUCH.

FANTASTIC WORK.

♪ ♪ >> Eric: NOW IS THE TIME OF THE SHOW WHEN THE PRODUCERS MATCH WITS WITH THE HISTORY PART OF THE PROGRAM.

AND THIS ONE HAD TO DO WITH SOMETHING THAT -- KEEP ROLLING.

HAPPENED BACK IN 1963.

A MINNESOTA ATHLETE DID SOMETHING NINE TIMES THAT YEAR, ESTABLISHING A LEAGUE RECORD IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL SPORT.

OUR TASK FOR YOU THIS WEEK IS TWO-FOLD.

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