(light upbeat music) - I don't think it's much of a surprise to many people that African American women suffer more from heart disease and its attendant complications than other people do.

But there is something about the dramatic way in which this is affecting Black women more that I think caught me by a bit of a surprise.

So I wanna start with you talking about just the numbers here and how acute this difference is between African American women and others in our population.

- So unfortunately, and it's unfortunate across the board, not just even heart health, that women, particularly women of color, African American women are dying at a much higher rate.

There's a lot of different reasons that you can say that that's different theories that we can hypothesize why this is happening.

But I think the biggest, one of the biggest things is that women, we tend to take care of everyone else and we don't take care of ourselves.

And so we ignore our symptoms and then unfortunately when we finally do come out and say, "I'm feeling this way," women, particularly Black women are ignored.

- Yeah, yeah.

I wanna come back to some of the causes a little later.

But I wanna talk upfront about the things that you think women can do and women's families can do to try to reduce this disparity.

And I say families because I think for all of us, it's helpful, and maybe even necessary that the people closest to us are as invested in our health as we are.

- So that can hit a multitude of different things from diet to everyone getting on the same page as mom, sister, you know, are trying to, cousins are trying to work on eating more vegetables, eating more lean protein, cutting out processed foods, not throwing that temptation out there.

And even some of the biases and going into family functions when you start to get in shape and lose weight and the family says, "Oh, you look too skinny," or "Oh, you don't want this, you don't want these ham hocks," like is supporting women in their journey of getting healthy.

So that's something that families can do.

Just simply be supportive and say, "Hey, I see that you're getting healthy.

I'm gonna join you on that journey, or I'm at least going to support you."

And then also, because women tend to, again, ignore themselves, if you see something is off, if you see that when they're climbing a flight of stairs or you're walking through the mall, that they're short of breath 'cause women tend to, their symptoms, they may not have that crushing chest pain.

They may just become profoundly short of breath or fatigued.

If you see that and say you're walking through the mall and say, "Hey, you just seem a little more short of breath than you normally do."

Bringing it to their attention things that they may not even realize themselves.

'Cause they're just slowing down and they just may not even realize that.

So just kind of paying attention to that too and helping them out and just bringing it to their attention, "Maybe you should see a doctor."

- Yeah, yeah.

So beyond diet, exercise, and general healthy habits, what else do you say that women can be doing to minimize this discrepancy?

- So I'm a very strong proponent of the fact that your mind and body are all one.

So taking 30 minutes a day for just you, whether that's meditation, whether that's prayer, whether that's shutting off all of your social media, your phones, disconnecting from the world and just spending that time with yourself regardless of what you do.

You can pray, you can meditate, you can do whatever you want, but just choosing that 30 minutes for you because stress hormones are, I always tell my patients, stress hormones are great when you're running from a bear, not so much in day-to-day life.

So if you can kind of find that mind-body connection, cut off the world for 30 minutes, and sometimes it's hard, sometimes it requires getting up 30 minutes early in the morning or after your kids are in bed, 30 minutes before you go to bed.

Finding that time for you and just saying, "That's my me time."

For me, I exercise, I find that 30 minutes for myself to say, "I'm gonna spend 30 minutes on the treadmill."

That's my time.

And I carve it out.

But finding that mind-body connection is important.

- Yeah.

Yeah.

So I wanna go back now to kind of the causes and the context for all of this.

Of course, you know, there's a history of unequal treatment for African Americans and especially for African American women, that no doubt contributes to all of these things.

But one of the other things that I want to kind of focus on is this dynamic where when women do speak up, go to the doctor, speak up and say, "Hey, this doesn't feel right," or "This seems like it's a problem," they often are not believed or listened to.

And I wanna talk about what we do about that.

I mean, you I think, being in the position you're in, is part of the solution, but there's gotta be other things that we should be thinking about to just change the system and the way it responds to African American women.

- And I do think that that's happening.

I think we're a very, very long way away from it being equal.

I do think there are a lot of things in play right now that making sure that people have the proper training, that everyone is not the same.

Symptoms are not the same.

I think we're recognizing more that women and women specifically, regardless of race, color, they have different symptoms, so they can have the same disease as the men, but may not present the same way.

So I think that's becoming more extreme mainstream, that again, women may have more shortness of breath as opposed to chest pain or their chest pain is different.

But I also think I always empower patients and I get a lot of these patients in my clinic for obvious reasons that they wanna see an African American cardiologist.

But I always empower people to, if you don't get the answer that you're not settled in the answer that's been given to you, keep looking.

Don't just don't just sit down and say, "It's okay, I'm fine," you know your body better than we will ever know it because you've been with it for your entire life.

If you're not getting the answer that you want, keep looking.

And keep going and going to different doctors, different hospital systems, someone will listen to you.

It's unfortunate that we have to do that, but you have to.

- Yeah.

But that requires I think a certain confidence and a certain comfort with the medical system that I also think is a hurdle for a lot of African Americans.

I mean, we still have challenges getting access to healthcare for people.

And then when they do, making sure that they can kind of take control of that and speak up and decide who they'll see and make sure they get the care that they want.

- 100%.

But I also, in that same token, I empower you to know your own numbers.

So getting everyone, I always empower patients, especially when I go out and do like community talks at churches and just community organizations and health fairs.

Know your numbers.

Get a blood pressure cuff from a drug store.

Write down some blood pressure numbers.

Know how to check your blood pressure.

When you get lab work, because when you go for just a routine physical, knowing your A1C, knowing your LDL, knowing those numbers, because the more information you have, you can go out there and actually find the doctors that you need.

But without knowing that stuff, without having that information, you're kind of powerless.

So the more you have, the more you can present and say, "Hey, my blood pressure consistently at home is 140 over 80.

This is abnormal."

I would hate to say that a doctor would turn someone away and say, "That's not true" if you're sitting there with a log in their face.

So yes, there are some things and I know that different health systems, especially here at Henry Ford, we do a lot of training and implicit bias training that I think is helping from the physician side, but we also have to empower patients as well.