>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, DOES ARIZONA UNIVERSAL PROGRAM SAVE THE STATE MONEY?

THEY SAY YES AND A NEW REPORT SAYS OTHERWISE.

THE LABOR MARKET SEEMS HOT AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE ECONOMY IN GENERAL.

EXTREME SUMMER TEMPERATURES BRINGS WARNING TEMPERATURES FROM THE BURN CENTER.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> Announcer: THIS IS MADE POSSIBLE FROM THE FRIENDS OF PBS AND MEMBERS OF YOUR PBS STATION.

THANK YOU.

>> Ted: WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

HEAT ALERTS AFFECTING MORE THAN 100 MILLION PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BE IN EFFECT FOR MUCH OF THE COUNTRY.

ARIZONA INCLUDES.

INDEED, PHOENIX IS ON PACE TO BREAK A RECORD OF 18 STRAIGHT DAYS OF TEMPERATURES OVER 110° AND WE'RE AT 12 DAYS AND COUNTING.

FORECASTS FOR THE VALLEY FOR THIS WEEKEND SHOW HIGHS APPROACHING 120° WITH OVERNIGHT LOWS FAILING TO DROP BELOW 90.

>>> OTHER HEADLINES AND THE DATE SHOWS THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX COOLS DOWN IN JUNE WITH A 4.8% INCREASE AND THE MOST PROMISING SINCE THE FED BEGAN ADDRESSING INFLATION A YEAR AGO AND THAT THE FEDERAL BANK MAY NOT RAISE INTEREST RATES WHEN IT MEETS THIS MONTH.

TODAY REPORT SHOWS METRO PHOENIX METRO PHOENIX WITH A 4% INTEREST RATE DOWN FROM 7.4% WHEN LAST CHECKED IN APRIL AND WELL BELOW THE 13% RATE LAST SUMMER.

THIS WAS AMONG U.S. METRO RATES AND TODAY'S REPORT HAS PHOENIX AT THE SEVENTH HIGHEST RATE.

>>> A SCIENCE NOTE, NASA CELEBRATES THE JAMES WEBB TELESCOPES ANNIVERSARY OF SENDING IMAGES BACK TO EARTH AND THIS SHOWS STARS SOME 390 LATE YEARS AWAY, AND THE NEAREST STAR FORMING REGION TO EARTH AND CONTAINS 50 STARS SIMILAR TO THE SUN.

ACCORDING TO ASTRONOMERS, THESE SYSTEMS MAY LOOK LIKE WHAT OUR OWN SOLAR SYSTEM LOOKED LIKE AT BIRTH.

>>> BACKERS OF ARIZONA'S VOUCHER PROGRAM SAY THEY'RE WRONG ABOUT THE RISING PROGRAM.

IT SAYS IT SAVES MARIJUANA MONEY.

WE'RE JOINED FROM THE ARIZONA ASSOCIATION OF BUSINESS OFFICIALS WHICH CONDUCTED THIS STUDY.

CHUCK, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

THE GENERAL IDEA THAT UNIVERSAL VOUCHERS SAVES THE STATE MONEY, IS THAT WRONG?

>> WRONG, DEFINITELY WRONG.

>> Ted: HOW SO IN.

>> THE FUNDING IS 90% OF WHAT A CHARTER SCHOOL GETS.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS OF WHAT THE CHARTER SCHOOL GETS THROUGH THE REGULAR FUNDING AND THEY SAY 90% OF WHAT THE FUNDING WAS AND IT WASN'T 90% OF WHAT THE CHARTER SCHOOL AMOUNT IS ABOUT $500 MORE OF WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS RECEIVE.

>> Ted: IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 90% OF A SCHOOL, BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY GET THAT FORMULA, 90% OF A CHARTER SCHOOL, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

>> CORRECT.

CHARTER SCHOOLS, AN ADDITIONAL BURN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PASS THIS AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> Ted: WHY IS THE FORMULA SET WITH CHARTERS?

>> I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE BECAUSE WHOEVER WAS ADVOCATES FOR THE PROGRAM MAYBE WANTED AND SHOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT WAS A HIGHER AMOUNT FOR PEOPLE.

IF YOU WANTED TO FUND ESA'S LIKE TRADITIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS, YOU FOO SHOULD HAVE FUNDED LIKE A RELATE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

>> Ted: THIS IS NOT CLOSE TO REGULAR SCHOOLS.

>> IT'S 80%.

>> Ted: THE CLAIM THAT VOUCHERS COST LESS PER STUDENT, YOU'RE SAYING NOT ACCURATE, AND NOT CLOSE TO ACCURATE.

>> A COUPLE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND WHERE IT SAVES MONEY IF IT HAPPENS TO A SCHOOL INTO AN ESA AND WHERE IT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE IS TWO SITUATIONS AND ONE IF THE STUDENT WAS IN A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND NOW THEY GO TO AN ESA AND NOT A PENMY OF PENNY OF SAVINGS AND THERE'S ABOUT 40 DISTRICTS THAT ARE NON-STATE A DISTRICTS BECAUSE THE STATE DOESN'T GIVE THEM ANY MONEY FOR PUPIL AND INTO AN A ESA, A FULL COST.

>> Ted: PROPERTY TAXES TAKE CARE OF THAT.

>> LIKE CAPE CREEK AND A FEW DISTRICTS.

>> Ted: 425 IF THE KID LEAVES AND NO SAVINGS AT ALL IF THE KID WAS IN A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND WHAT IS IT 7,000 SOME ODD BUCKS?

>> IF IT'S A DISABLED SCHOOL AND I BELIEVE WHERE MOST OF THE 50,000 STUDENTS WHO ARE IN ESA'S NOW, THE GROWTH IS FROM THAT POPULATION.

>> Ted: THAT GROWTH IS SOMETHING AND I THINK TOM HORN, SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION COULD HIT 100,000 BY NEXT JUNE AND DID THE SPIKE IN ENROLLMENT SURPRISE YOU?

>> WE KNEW THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASE AND IT'S BASICALLY 400% INCREASE AND IT WENT FROM 12,000 STUDENTS TO ALMOST 50,000 STUDENTS.

>> Ted: WOW!

>> AND IT MAY GO UP AGAIN, BUT NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE, BUT POTENTIAL IS THERE.

>> THE POTENTIAL IS THERE AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A KID IN PRIVATE SCHOOL AND SEVEN THOUSAND BUCKS YOUR WAY, KIND OF HARD TO SAY NO.

>> IF YOU HAD YOUR CHILDREN IN A PRIVATE SCHOOL, NO ARGUMENT NOT TO GO FOR AN ESA.

THE ONLY THING, TUITION TAX CREDITS AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT AND AN E. SA.

MIGHT BE SOME GETTING IT THROUGH A PROGRAM BUT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, A NO-BRAINER TO CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING YOU WERE DOING.

>> Ted: SOME WOULD ARGUE A NO-BRAINER IN A VARIETY OF WAYS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STATE BUDGET.

THIS SOUNDS LIKE BUDGET BUSTING.

>> A DOUBLE WHAMMY BECAUSE BASICALLY, STATE REVENUE APPEARS TO BE IN TROUBLE BECAUSE THE SALES TAX IS DOWN, INCOME TAX IS NOT RAISING NEARLY AS MUCH AND THE YOU HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL EXPENSE AND FOR ALL OF THE STUDENTS IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND HOME SCHOOLERS, YOU'RE PAYING 100% OF THE COST OF THAT UNIT.

AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THERE'S HELP FROM LOCAL PROPERTY TAX.

>> Ted: YOU'VE GOT DROP IN REVENUE, INCREASE IN SPENDING AND I'M HEARING, ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS, WHO WERE IN SUPPORT THAT WE'VE GOT THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT.

YOU HAVE A POINT?

>> THEY GAVE A LOT AWAY, $2.5 BILLION OF CARRY-OVER THAT THE STATE HAD AND THAT'S NOW ALL COMMITTED.

AND THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE THE KIND OF CARRY-OVER IT HAD.

AND THERE IS A CERTAIN OBLIGATION FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO FUND SCHOOL, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO AT THAT POINT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE GENERAL FUND?

>> Ted: IS THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENING AND ARE YOU HEARING THAT?

>> WE'RE NOT HEARING THAT.

WE'RE HEARING THE GENERAL WORD OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE FROM LEGISLATIVE LEADERS ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COVER IT AND WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH REVENUE INTO THE STATE -- WE KNOW COSTS ARE GOING UP AND THE REVENUES ARE DIMINISHED FROM WHAT THEY THOUGHT THE REVENUES WOULD BE AND THAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO PROBLEMS.

>> Ted: ONE HUNDRED KIDS ARE ENROLLED BY NEXT JUNE, CAN YOU REVERSE THIS AND UNSOUR THE MILK?

>> YOU COULD.

THE QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU?

RIGHT NOW, THE GOVERNOR HAD PROPOSED PUTTING A CAP ON HOW MANY STUDENTS AND THE LEGISLATURE LEADERSHIP WOULD NOT LISTEN AND SAID, EITHER NOT PUTTING A CAP ON A PROGRAM AND WOULDN'T PUT A CAP ON A PROGRAM AND HESITANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT CUTTING BACK PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE PROGRAM.

>> Ted: SCHOOL BUSINESS OFFICIALS, WHAT DO THEY WANT TO SEE HAPPEN HERE?

>> THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROBABLY A CAP AT LEAST SO THE STATE HAS SOME WAY OF BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THE GROWTH THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IF NOT, THEY'RE WORRIED MAYBE SOME OF THE CUTS THE STATE HAS TO MAKE, THEY WOULDTHE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WOULD SUFFER ON THAT COST.

>> Ted: EVEN MORE THAN MONEY CONCERNS IS CHOICE, THE IDEA OF GIVING FAMILIES CHOICE FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO GO TO SCHOOLS.

ARE WE SEEING THAT RIGHT NOW?

ARE WE SEEING A LOT OF DISTRICT PUBLIC SCHOOLS SWITCH TO PRIVATE?

>> WHAT'S INTERESTING THIS LAST YEAR WHEN THE ESA'S WENT UP BY 400% TO 50,000 KIDS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS LAST YEAR AND CHARTERS GAINED ABOUT 1500 STUDENTS AND SO, YOU DIDN'T SEE -- THERE'S NOT 20,000, 30,000 LEAVING GOING TO THESE PROGRAMS AND I THINK MOST ARE GOING TO STUDENTS WHO ARE IN A HOME-SCHOOL PROGRAM OR IN A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

>> Ted: SAVING KIDS FROM SAVING PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND DESIGNED TO DO.

IS IT NOT DOING THAT IN.

>> YOU HAVE ONE YEAR AND THE CURRENT SCHOOL YEAR COULD BE DIFFERENT AND THE FIRST YEAR DIDN'T DO WHAT SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING IT WOULD DO TO GIVE A LOT PARENTS CHOICE.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WITH AN ESA SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS AND A PRIVATE SCHOOL TUITION OF $20,000, SOMEBODY HAS TO COME UP WITH 13,000.

FOR MANY FAMILY, IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM A LOT.

>> Ted: CHUCK, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

>> ALWAYS GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, HOW THE JOB MARKET IS IMPACTING OTHER AREAS OF THE ECONOMY.

>> WE NOW HAVE DENNIS HOFFMAN AND LAST WEEK ONE HAD A JOB REPORT THAT SAID THE JOB MARKET IS RED HOT AND ANOTHER ONE, HOLLY SMOKES, THINGS ARE STAGNANT AND WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> ADP COMES OUT WITH WEDNESDAY AND ADP COMES OUT WITH THE PRIVATE PAYROLL ESTIMATE AND THAT WAS REALLY A HOT ONE A WEEK AGO TODAY.

THE GOVERNMENT FOLLOWED UP WITH THE OFFICIAL JOB NUMBERS AND THOSE WERE A LITTLE LESS THAN ECONOMISTS HAD EXPECTED.

YOU HAD MIXED SIGNALS.

OVERALL, TED, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS AT OR NEAR HISTORICAL LOWS.

THE ECONOMY HAS REMAINED VERY, VERY RESILIENT TO THE ONSLAUGHT OF FEDERAL RESERVE INTEREST RATES.

YOU KNOW, BACK IN DECEMBER, MORE ECONOMISTS THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE A RECESSION THIS YEAR THAN ANY TIME IN HISTORY BY THE REPORTS THAT I READ AND WHERE IS THE RECESSION?

WE'RE STILL WAITING.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS THE JOB MARKET, IF IT GETS TOO HOT AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE TWO THINGS DON'T JIVE AND IF IT'S TOO HOT, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD THING IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FED COULD DO AND IN TERMSES IN TERMS WHAT THE INFLATION DOES.

>> TO CUT THROUGH IT ALL, THE FED POLICY AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE HOPING, IS THAT THE FED CAN FIND A WAY TO STOP RAISING INTEREST RATES.

THEY'RE ONLY GOES TO STOP RAISING INTEREST RATES UNTIL THE ECONOMY COOLS OFF A LITTLE BIT.

SO WHEN YOU GET NEWS THAT THE ECONOMY IS BUBBLING ALONG TOO HOT, THAT MEANS THE FED WILL HAVE TO STAY ON TASK AND THAT MEANS INTEREST RATES WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP AND, OF COURSE, WALL STREET AND POTENTIAL HOME BUYERS AND POTENTIAL CAR BUYERS DON'T LIKE THAT.

>> Ted: LET'S GO WITH REPORT OF THE ADP, THE JOB MARKET, RED HOT.

IS THAT A GOOD THING?

>> WELL, IT'S GOOD, IN MY OPINION, IF WE CAN SOMEHOW ACHIEVE THROUGH ALL OF THIS ONSLAUGHT FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST INFLATION IF WE CAN PULL OFF THE SOFT LANDING.

THAT'S EVERYBODY'S WISH.

AS LONG THE JOB MARKET IS RESILIENT.

SO HOT, HOT, HOT IS NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, BUT IF IT'S RESILIENT, IF IT'S STABLE AND IF WE CONTINUE TO ADD 200 NOW JOBS A MONTH, WHICH IS, WE'VE BEEN DOING BETTER THAN THAT RECENTLY, BUT IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT, WE'LL ACHIEVE THE SOFT LANDING.

THAT'S GOING SURPRISE A LOT OF ECONOMISTS.

>> Ted: DID THE INFLATION NUMBERS TODAY SURPRISE YOU?

>> NO.

THEY WERE ENCOURAGING AND THEY WHAT LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED.

THERE'S TWO NUMBERS OUT THERE.

THERE'S THE OVERALL AND THERE'S THE CORE.

THE OVERALL WAS REALLY LOW AT THREE.

THE CORE WAS, YOU KNOW, HIGH AT THE NUMBER THAT YOU CITED.

>> Ted: THE 4.8.

>> THE PHOENIX NUMBER WAS 4.4, AND IT'S A METRO THE NATION IS THE NATION INCLUDING MANY NONMETRO AREAS AND THAT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISING AND WE'RE NO LONGER THE POSTER CHILD OF INFLATION AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE IT COME DOWN.

>> Ted: WHERE IS THAT HAPPEN.

>> WHY IS IT COMING DOWN?

>> Ted: YES.

>> FED POLICY AND THE FED IS OUT TO KILL THE DEMAND.

DEMAND DESTRUCTION IS THEIR GOAL TO SLOW THE PACE OF PURCHASING DOWN AND THE PACE OF PURCHASING ORDINARY GOODS HAS REALLY SLOWED DRAMATICALLY AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT IN THE INFLATION NUMBERS.

SERVICES ARE STILL EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT'S AN ODDITY, TED.

MOST OF THE SERVICE'S FROTH IS COMING FROM SHELTER AND THE IMPUNITY COST OF HOUSING AND THE REAL COST OF SHELTER.

FOR RENTERS, THEY'RE MEASURING EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD MEASURE AND RENTERS HAVING A TOUGH TIME.

IF YOU HAVE A HOME ON A FIXED MORTGAGE AND IF I OWN MY OWN HOME, WE'RE NOT FEELING THOSE HIGHER COSTS OF HOUSING BECAUSE OUR COSTS OF HOUSING ARE FIXED.

BUT THE FEDS, BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS CALCULATES RENS RENTS FOR US.

>> Ted: WE'RE HEARING ELECTRIC CARS ARE PILING UP ON LOTS BECAUSE THEY ORDERED SO MANY AND PRICES ARE WAY UP AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY IT AND THERE IS A BALANCE THERE.

YOU CAN'T HAVE STUFF STOCKPILING TO THE CEILING.

>> NO.

AND THAT'S THE FED AT WORK, SO MANY AUTOMOBILE BUYERS FINANCE AUTOMOBILES.

AND SO, THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ON THE AUTO PURCHASE IS WHAT'S MY MONTHLY PAYMENT AND THAT'S A FUNCTION OF INTEREST RATES AND THE COST OF THE CAR.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION HERE AND YOU TALKED ABOUT RECESSION, AND YOU REFER TO IT AND IT WAS ALMOST A DONE DEAL AS YOU MENTION.

ON A SCALE OF ZERO, NO WAY AND IT'S COMING, WHERE ARE WE?

>> MOST OF THE PROGNOSTICATORS IT'S NEXT YEAR AND I THINK WE'RE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS IT THE IMPACT OF TIGHT CREDIT AND TIGHT MONEY AND CREDIT AND HIGHER INTEREST RATES HITCHED THE ECONOMY WITH LAGS AND THE SECOND HALF OF THIS YEAR WILL BE SLOW OR SLOWER AND WE'LL BE SLOW GOING INTO '24.

BUT I'VE NEVER FOUND A RECESSION, TED, I'VE NEVER SEEN A RECESSION WHERE THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE STAYS BELOW 5%.

THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS ABOVE 5% IN A RECESSION AND WE'RE IN THE THREE'S AND WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO.

>> Ted: THAT'S AN ENCOURAGING WAY TO END THE INTERVIEW.

DENNIS HOFFMAN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANKS, TED.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

♪♪ >> Ted: THIS CURRENT STRETCH OF EXTREME SUMMER TEMPERATURES IN ARIZONA IS BRINGING RENEWED WARNINGS FROM THE ARIZONA BURN CENTER REGARDING THE DANGERS OF CONTACT BURNS FROM OUTSIDE SURFACES.

DR. KEVIN FOSTER IS AT VALLEYWISE HEALTH AND HE JOINS US NOW.

DOCTOR, GOOD TO YOU HAVE AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING YOU.

US.

MY GOODNESS, IT MAKES SENSE BURN INCIDENTS GAP GO UP THIS TIME OF YEAR.

>> UNFORTUNATELY, MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN APPRECIATION FOR THE TEMPERATURES THAT HAPPEN IN A HOT SUNNY AFTERNOON IN ARIZONA.

>> Ted: CONTACT BURNS, THINGS WITH OUTSIDE SURFACES AND HOW COMMON DO YOU SEE THESE?

>> WE'VE SEEN A HALF DOZEN PEOPLE ALONE IN THE BURN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT TO COME IN WITH CONTACT BURNS.

>> Ted: HOW SERIOUS ARE THOSE BURNS?

>> USUALLY NOT TOO BAD.

CONTACT WITH THE HAND OR A FOOT AND USUALLY NOT TOO BAD.

THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS PEOPLE GO DOWN AND OFTEN TIMES THOSE BURNS ARE BAD.

PLUS, PATIENTS HAVE SYSTEMIC MANIFESTATIONS OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

>> Ted: WOW!

I WOULD IMAGINE ASPHALT, CONCRETE, BIGGIES HERE.

>> THEY ARE AND THE TEMPERATURE ON A SUNNY AUGUST AFTERNOON OR A SUNNY JULY AFTERNOON IN ARIZONA CAN BE 180° OF ASPHALT AND THAT'S BELOW BOILING AND TAKES A FRACTION OF A SECOND TO GET A BAD BURN.

>> Ted: MOST VULNERABLE, SENIORS, BABIES AND FOLKS WITH IMPAIRMENTS, THESE THINGS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOUNG KIDS, INFANTS, TODDLERS AND OLDER PEOPLE, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND HOMELESS PEOPLE AND PEOPLE THAT GO DOWN AND CANNOT GET UP.

>> Ted: WHEN YOU GO DOWN AND CAN'T GET UP, THAT'S A LOT OF CONTACT.

HOW MUCH CONTACT DO YOU NEED TO GET A PRETTY SERIOUS BURN OUT THERE?

>> LESS THAN A SECOND AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO LAY OUT THERE FOR TEN MINUTES, 20 MINUTES AND SOMETIMES HOURS.

SO IT CAN BE A PROBLEM.

>> Ted: SEVERE INJURIES, AND HOW CAN I PUT THIS, CAN IT BE A SEVERE INJURY SEEN ON EVEN ON A SMALL PART OF THE SKIN?

>> EVEN A DEEP INJURY AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S A PROBLEM IS BEING EXPOSED TO TEMPERATURES IN THE SUNLIGHT IS THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM, THE LIVE, KIDNEYS AND SYSTEMIC MANIFESTATIONS OF HOT TEMPERATURES.

>> Ted: IDAHOTHERMIA, HOW COMMON IS THAT?

>> THAT ADDS INSULT TO INJURY.

>> Ted: A LOT IS COMMON SENSE AND YOU DON'T LICK AN ICECUBE OR DO OTHER THINGS AND STAY AWAY FROM MEDAL OBJECTS AND FOOT COVERING WHEN YOU GO OUTSIDE, THIS SEEMS LIKE COMMON SENSE.

>> IT'S PREVENTIBLE, SO STAY INSIDE DURING THE HOT PART OF THE DAY AND IF YOU HAVE TO GO OUT, BE PROTECTED AND HAVE WATER AND MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY IS WITH YOU OR KNOWS WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND TAKE IT EASY ON DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.

>> Ted: DRUGS AND ALCOHOL PART, DO YOU SEE A LOT OF THAT, TOO?

>> UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL CAUSE OF SOME OF THESE INJURIES.

>> Ted: SOME OF THE FALLS FOR SURE AND WHAT ABOUT THE HYPOTHERMIA AND IMPACT ON THE BODY?

>> HYPOTHERMIA CAN CAUSE CENTRAL NERVOUS PROBLEMS, PROBLEMS WITH THE LIVE AND KIDNEYS AND IT CAN REALLY CAUSE BAD PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE.

>> Ted: DO YOU FIND THAT AT LEAST MANY OF THESE CASES ARE FOLKS NEW TO ARIZONA?

>> YEAH.

WE SEE THIS QUITE COMMONLY.

THOSE INJURIES ARE RELATIVELY SMALL AND NOT SEVERE AND COMMON FOR SOMEBODY NOT USED TO ARIZONA TO WALK OUT AND GET MAIL AND SIT OUTSIDE IN THE BRIGHT SUNLIGHT ON A HOT AFTERNOON AND YEAH, HAVING TOURISTS AND PEOPLE NOT USED TO ARIZONA IN THE SUMMERTIME IS A PROBLEM.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS WHEN YOU GET FOLKS IN, I MEAN, DO YOU GET FATALITIES INVOLVED?

>> UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THE HEAT STROKE AND THE BURNS ARE SO BAD THAT PEOPLE CANNOT SURVIVE THAT INJURY.

IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN BUT IT DOES HAPPEN.

PARTICULARLY WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE MULTIPLE OTHER PROBLEMS.

IN GENERAL, ARE YOU SEEING AN INCREASE IN THESE KINDS OF BURNS OVER THE YEARS AND IT WOULD SEEM LIKE YOU WOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION AS YOU AGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

>> WE ARE SEEING GREATER INCIDENTS AND WE TOOK NOTICE DURING THE PANDEMIC.

IN THE SUMMER OF 2021 WAS BAD FOR US AND PARTICULARLY WITH EDERLY PEOPLE.

WE'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION AND WELL OVER 100 PATIENTS DURING THE MONTHS OF JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST AND WE HAVE PROBABLY TEN TIMES MORE THAN THAT WHO ARE RELATIVELY MINOR INJURIES AND A BIG PROBLEM IN ARIZONA.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION, WHAT'S THE MESSAGE TO SEND?

YOU HAVE A PLATFORM AND WHAT'S THE MESSAGE?

>> STAY INSIDE AND IF YOU GO OUTSIDE, PROTECT YOURSELF AND MAKE SURE SOMEBODY IS WITH YOU AND SOMEBODY KNOWS WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

>> Ted: AND SOMEBODY CAN ASSIST YOU BECAUSE LAYING ON THE GROUND, THIS SOUNDS HORRIBLE.

DR. KEVIN FOSTER, GOOD TO YOU HAVE AND THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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