>>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

A MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISOR CALLS FOR NEARLY ALL FUTURE ELECTION BALLOTS TO BE COLLECT EXPOWPTD NOD LATER THAN ELECTION NIGHT.

ALSO TONIGHT A NEW BOOK FOCUSES ON SOCIAL JUSTICE IN ACTION.

AND ONE OF ARIZONA'S MOST ICONIC VENUES MARK ITS 60th ANNIVERSARY.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISOR THOMAS GALVIN IS CALLING FOR ARIZONA TO SPEED UP THE COUNTING OF THE BALLOTS.

GALVIN WANTS THE LEGISLATURE TO ENACT NEW LAWS THAT ALLOW FOR 95% OF ELECTION RETURNS TO BE COUNTED ELECTION NIGHT.

TO HEAR MORE WE WELCOME SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS TOM GALVIN HERE ON HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU.

ARIZONA IS ONE OF THE FEW STATES HERE IN THE COUNTRY THAT IS IMPORTANT TO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS BUT THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED IS AT ALL 15 COUNTIES IN ARIZONA ARE COUNTING BALLOTS EIGHT, NINE, TEN, 11 DAYS AFTER ELECTION.

AND WITHIN 48 HOURS PEOPLE START TO FREAK OUT AND WONDERING WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO BE DONE, AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WRAP IT UP AND FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY, EVERYONE SAYS WHY IS ARIZONA SO SLOW.

WE'RE NOT SLOW, BUT THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED THIS WAY.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS 95% OF BALLOTS TABULATED BY ELECTION NIGHT.

>> WE'VE -- I MEAN, 11 DAYS THIS TIME, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY UNUSUAL FOR US, IS IT?

>> IT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

IT'S REALLY RIGHT IN THE RANGE THAT MARICOPA COUNTY IS ABLE TO TAP PLATE ALL OF ITS VOTES.

BEFORE THE ELECTION WE ANNOUNCED IT WOULD TAKE US 10 TO 13 DAYS TO TABULATE VOTES.

WE HAD 2 MILLION PEOPLE VOTING BUT EVERYONE VOTED ON TWO-PAGE BALLOT, SO WE HAD TO PROCESS 4 MILLION PAGES, WHICH WAS INCREDIBLE TO DO, GOING UP FROM THE ELECTION 10 DAYS.

>> AND I WANT TO GET MORE INTO THAT IN A SECOND HERE, BUT THE IDEA OF IT TAKING TOO LONG OR LONGER THAN USUAL, ET CETERA, MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'VE DONE A BUNCH OF SEGMENTS ON IT THIS IS IT SUSPECT TAKING LONGER THAN USUAL BUT THE RACES ARE TIGHTER AND MORE FOCUS IS BEING PUT ON THE -- I MEAN, IT'S MOSTLY A RED STATE, AND IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, YOU CAN USUALLY FIGURE OUT YOU'RE GOING TO WIN IN A DAY OR TWO.

>> RIGHT.

>> REGARDLESS OF THE OFFICIAL RESULTS.

NOW, WELL, MAYBE NOT THIS LAST ELECTION, ABOUT YOU IN 2020, 2022, I MEAN, YOU GOT CLOSE RACES NOW, AND YOU GOT TO WAIT IT OUT.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY IT.

AND PEOPLE CONFUSE WHEN RACES ARE CALLED BY THE MEDIA AND WHEN JURISDICTIONS ARE DONE TABULATING VOTES.

SO IF YOU'RE WATCHING TV AND FOX NEWS SAYS THAT DONALD TRUMP WON INDIANA OR KAMALA HARRIS WON NEW YORK, IT'S BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA WIN THOSE TWO STATES, THIS HE CAN CALL IT THAT NIGHT.

HOWEVER, THOSE STATES ARE STILL COUNTING DAYS LATER.

BUT IN ARIZONA, WE'RE A SWING STATE, WE REALLY BE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO WIN, MARICOPA COUNTY AND OTHER COUNTIES ARE STILL COUNTING.

BUT I THINK THIS HAS REALLY PRODUCED A STRAIN ON THE SYSTEM.

>> YOU WANT TO SEE 95% OF THE BALLOT RETURNS COUNTED AND COLLECTED AND THE WHOLE 9 YARDS ON ELECTION NIGHT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> ROW ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT.

>> WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE THAT WE'RE FACING, WHAT WE CALL THE LATE EARLIES.

THIS IS WHEN PEOPLE DROP OFF THEIR BALLOT ENVELOPES ON ELECTION DAY.

WHAT WE SAW HERE IN MARICOPA COUNTY IS ABOUT 225,000 BALLOTS WERE DROPPED OFF THAT DAY.

OBVIOUSLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DROP OFF YOUR ENVELOPE, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY RIGOROUS PROCESS, INCLUDING SIGNATURE VERIFICATION, BALLOT PROCESSING AND TABULATING, THAT'S THE PROCESS IT TAKES DAYS.

I EVEN HAVE FRIENDS OF MINE THAT SAYS, WELL, I DROPPED OFF MY BALLOT ENVELOPE TODAY ON ELECTION DAY, AND I'M LIKE, WELL, YOUR BALLOT WILL NOT BE COUNTED FOR DAYS ON OUT FROM HERE.

IF WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THE CUT-OFF DATE TO SEVEN DAYS OUT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT GAINS IN TERMS OF TABULATING BY ELECTION NIGHT.

>> HOW DOES THAT -- IS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT FLORIDA IS DOING?

I KEEP HEARING, LET'S BE LIKE FLORIDA.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO MENTION FLORIDA.

A LOT OF WHAT FLORIDA DOES IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR TO ARIZONA BUT THERE'S OTHER STATES THAT DO A GREAT JOB.

LET'S LOOK AT VIRGINIA, LET'S LOOK AT TEXAS.

HOWEVER, IN FLORIDA YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DROP OFF YOUR BALLOT ENVELOPE AT A VOTING CENTER.

YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO BRING IT DOWN TO COUNTY HEADQUARTERS.

THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC HERE IN ARIZONA BECAUSE PEOPLE LIVE IN FAR POINT PLACES AND YOU WOULD BE DEMANDING TOO MUCH OF THEM.

WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO UNIQUELY IS MOVE THE CUT-OFF DATE WHEN YOU CAN DROP OFF AN ENVELOPE TO A VOTING SITE.

>> AND THE EMERGENCY VOTING SYSTEM RIGHT NOW I THINK IS SATURDAY AND MONDAY PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.

BUT YOU'VE GOTTA SHOW IT'S AN EMERGENCY.

YOU SAY FORGET, THAT LET EVERYONE DO THAT.

>> FORGET, THAT LET EVERYONE DO IT.

IF YOU CANNOT VOTE ON TUESDAY, YOU HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE AN EMERGENCY, I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE ON SATURDAY AND MONDAY, I WANT TO OPEN UP THAT.

WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE IN-PERSON VOTING CENTERS OPEN.

WHY NOT LET EVERYONE BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THOSE DAYS.

IN FACT, I WOULD LOVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE IN PERSON ON SATURDAY AND MONDAY.

ONCE AGAIN, THOSE BALLOTS WILL BE TABULATED ON SITE AND HELP US GET MORE BALLOTS TABULATED ON ELECTION NIGHT.

I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD GET TRACTION AS FAR AS LAWMAKERS ARE CONCERNED AND THE GOVERNOR AND MAYBE THE IDEA OF USING GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS AGAIN.

WHY DON'T WE USE GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT'S VERY HARD FOR EACH ELECTION CYCLE, FOR ALL OF THE COUNTIES TO FIND SITES TO HOST VOTING CENTERS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, MARICOPA COUNTY, WE'RE PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD 246 VOTING CENTERS, MOST OF THEM PRIMARILY ARE PRIVATE FACILITIES.

SO YOU'RE GONNA BE ASKING A LOT OF THEM IF YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO BE OPEN MORE THAN ONE DAY.

WE ARE GOING TO USE IN-PERSON VOTING SITES THAT WILL BE OPEN FOR THREE DAYS OR MORE AND THINK WE SHOULD BE USING GOVERNMENT CENTERS, AND WE'D ALSO LIKE TO BE USING SCHOOLS, AS WELL.

MANY STATES WHERE PEOPLE COME FROM WHO ARE TRANSPLANTS THEY SAY, HEY, WHEN I VOTED, I VOTED AT A LOCAL SCHOOL, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT HERE.

>> YEAH, LOCAL SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

ESPECIALLY DOING ANYTHING THAT LIMITS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DROPPING OFF THOSE EARLY BALLOTS.

CRITICS SAY IT HINDERS THE VOTE, YOU'RE HINDERING TURN-OUT.

IT'S NOT A GOOD THING.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO GOVERNOR HOBBS AND SECRETARY FONTEZ, THEY'VE BEEN THE ONES RAISING THE ARGUMENT, I DISAGREE WITH THEM.

IN FACT IN MARICOPA COUNTY ONLY 47% OF OUR BALLOTS CAME THROUGH U.S. MAIL WHICH MEANS 52% CAME FROM OTHER MEANS, EITHER PEOPLE DROPPING OFF THEIR BALLOTS OR VOTING IN PERSON.

WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT ARIZONA VOTERS BEHAVE IN CERTAIN WAYS DUE TO THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.

THIS WILL NOT BE DISENFRANCHISING FOLKS, IT WILL NOT BE HURTING FOLKS.

WE ALL HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF VOTING.

I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD VOTE WHO WANTS TO VOTE.

WE HAVE 80% TURN-OUT.

THIS WOULD JUST BE A SHIFT IN BEHAVIOR ON WHEN BALLOTS COME, ONCE AGAIN WE GET THE 95% ON TUESDAY NIGHT.

>> AND AGAIN THE SAME CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTICS WILL JUST SAY IT SOUNDS LIKE IMPATIENCE IS SUPERSEDING -- MAKING SURE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE VOTE AND MAKING SURE IT'S AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO VOTE.

DO THEY HAVE A POINT?

>> I DISAGREE, AND I DISAGREE RESPECTFULLY, BECAUSE ALSO WE HAVE 4,300 PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THIS ELECTION SYSTEM, AND WE'RE DEMANDING OF THEM A LOT IN THOSE 10, 11, 12 DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION.

AND THANKFULLY, IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO CRANK OUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOT PAGES, LET'S SAY A WEEK OUT FROM ELECTION DAY, AND PEOPLE ARE CALLING IN SICK, WHICH IS WHAT WE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST ELECTION, IT PUTS A CONSIDERABLE STRAIN ON THE SYSTEM.

SO I'M THINKING ABOUT OUR VOLUNTEERS AND THEIR EMPLOYEES WHO ARE BEING ASKED OF A LOT BECAUSE THE STATE LEGISLATURE, THE GOVERNOR HAVEN'T CHANGED IT.

>> WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE ARE YOU GETTING FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR?

>> I'M GETTING VERY GOOD RESPONSE FROM THE STATE -- THE SENATE AND HOUSE LEADERSHIP.

HOUSE SPEAKER HAS BEEN GOOD.

OBVIOUSLY WE NEED GOVERNOR HOBBS' SIGNATURE AND THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS.

WHAT I WANT TO DO IS START THE CONVERSATION.

I'M AN OPTIMISTIC PERSON.

I THINK WE CAN GET GOVERNOR HOBBS THERE ONCE SHE UNDERSTANDS THIS HAS BURN HARD FOR THE COUNTIES TO KEEP DOING IT YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.

>> SHE SAYS ANYTHING THAT MAKES IT HARDER TO VOTE, AS FAR AS SHE'S CONCERNED, A NO.

>> YOU'RE NOT MAKING HARDER TO VOTE, YOU'RE JUST CHANGING WHEN YOU VOTE.

>> LAST QUESTION HERE, NONE OF US, WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE, 2020, NONE OF THIS HAPPENS WITHOUT THE CONSPIRACIES THAT ARE FLYING ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND EVEN AS WE SPEAK, FLYING THROUGH THE ROOF.

NEVER HAPPENS WITHOUT THAT.

IS THIS NECESSARY?

IS THIS JUST A WAY TO MAKE PEOPLE, WHO -- AND PEOPLE WHO SEE CONSPIRACY BEHIND EVERY CORNER.

>> I'M A REPUBLICAN AND THE CONSPIRACY REALLY I'VE STOOD UP TO ALL OF THAT STUFF BUT I THINK THIS IS GOOD FOR ARIZONA.

ABOUT 45 STATES ARE ABLE TO HAVE 95%% OF THEIR BALLOTS TABULATED ON ELECTION NIGHT.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SAYING THERE'S A PROBLEM FOR VOTERS HERE.

BUT I THINK FOR VOTERS SAKE, WHO REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW THE ELECTIONS TURNED OUT, AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T BRIEFLY CONSPIRACY THEORIES BUT JUST INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW ELECTIONS ARE RUN, AND ONCE AGAIN THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR WORKERS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT.

I THINK IT'S COMMON SENSE TO HAVE MOST OF THE VOTES TABULATED BY ELECTION NIGHT.

>> MARICOPA SUPERVISOR THOMAS GALVIN, ALWAYS A PLEASURE, SIR.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

A NEW BOOK EDITED BY NEIL ESTHER PRESENT AS COLLECTIONS OF ESSAYS AND IMPRESSIONS REGARDING PRACTICAL APPROACHES TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

IT'S TITLED "CENTRAL JUSTICE IN ACTION, MODEL FORCED CAMPUS AND COMMUNITY."

NEIL ESTHER JOINS US NOW.

WE SHOULD NOTE THAT YOU'LL BE CHANGING HANDS INFER PHOENIX TOMORROW NIGHT 6:30.

>> 6:30 CAMELBACK.

>> THE ONE IN PHOENIX.

>> YES.

CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET GOING HERE.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DEFINE SOCIAL JUSTICE.

>> I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA ASK ME THAT, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE TRY NOT TO DO IN THE COURSE OF PUTTING THIS BOOK TOGETHER WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

IS WE SORT OF SHOW SOCIAL JUSTICE RATHER THAN TRYING TO DEFINE IT.

ONCE WE TRY TO DEFINE IT, IT TENDS TO GET MURKY AND MUDDY.

WHAT WE DO TRY TO DEFINE AND POINT OUT IS WHAT I JUSTICE IS.

AND THAT IS MUCH EASIER TO IDENTIFY THAN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME UNIFORM FORM OF JUSTICE.

>> WHAT IS JUSTICE?

>> WELL, SOCIAL JUSTICE IS PEOPLE, WE LOOK AT RESPECT, INTEGRITY, KINDNESS, EMPATHY, SELF REFLEXION, FORGIVENESS AND START SAYING WHO IS BEING DENIED THAT AND ARE WE DENYING OURSELVES THAT.

>> IN THIS COLLECTION OF ESSAYS, WHO IS -- AS FAR AS THE ESSAYS ARE CONCERNED AND THE WRITERS, WHO ARE THEY SAYING IS BEING DENIED?

WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT.

>> IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO'S BEING DENIED.

IT'S ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE ALL ON SOME LEVEL MAY BE EXPERIENCING, WHETHER IT IS SECURITY, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, RACE JUSTICE, ECONOMIC JUSTICE, IT'S WHO'S BEING DENIED HUMANITY.

THE IDEA IS NOT TO LOOK AT A GROUP AND POINT FINGERS BUT SAY HOW HOW ARE WE TRYING TO ADDRESS AN INEQUITY THAT WE ARE WITNESSING.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS UNJUST AND WHAT INJUSTICE IS, IS HOW ARE WE PRACTICING THAT.

YOU WANT A PRACTICAL APPROACH TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION.

>> YES.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WELL, IT'S REALLY NOT THE -- IT REALLY IS ABOUT HUMANITY, WHICH IS WEIGH TRY LOOK AT THROUGH THE LENS OF WHAT WE CALL HUMANITY 1 O.R.

1.

ARE WE EXPECT RESPECTING PEOPLE WITH WHOM WE DISAGREE, ARE WE EXTENDING COMPASSION AND KINDNESS.

TO WHAT EXTENT ARE WE PRACTICING THIS NOTION THAT I CAN RESPECT YOU EVEN THOUGH WE DISAGREE.

THAT'S A REAL TALL ORDER, AND NOT MANY ARE PRACTICING THAT.

I'M HOPING THAT THIS WILL BE A TOOL BOX TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME STRATEGIES.

>> THE IMPACT OF THINGS LIKE THE PANDEMIC, OF THINGS LIKE GEORGE FLOYD, THE IMPACT OF THOSE THINGS ON WHAT'S BEING WRITTEN IN THAT BOOK AND WHAT YOU'VE COLLECTED.

>> IT STARTED IN 2017.

AND I THOUGHT I WAS JUST WRITING ABOUT CHARLOTTESVILLE.

AND THE TRAVESTY AND TRAGEDY THAT WAS THERE, IT CAME FROM BEING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THE ROLODEX.

SOME PEOPLE SAID SEXISM, MISS SONG KNEE, AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

I DIDN'T CREATE IT, I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC PILL OR POTION FOR IT.

WHEN I FINISH MY TALKS AND PRESENTATIONS, PEOPLE SAY TELL ME WHAT TO DO, AND THEN GEORGE FLOYD HAPPENED, AND THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED.

AND IT WAS A CHANCE TO SORT OF REFLECT EVEN MORE ON HEALTH INEQUITIES, INJUSTICES, MANY OF US SAW GEORGE FLOYD DIE RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES, AND WE KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH THAT, NO MATTER WHAT WE CALLED IT.

PEOPLE STARTED ASKING, WHAT CAN I DO, WHAT CAN I DO.

AND MY FIRST QUESTION OR RESPONSE WAS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

AND THERE WAS A PAUSE, AND PEOPLE SAY TELL ME WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE BLACK.

AND I SAY, UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE LOOK AT EMPATHY IN A WAY I'M SUGGESTING YOU LOOK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE WITH.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ME IN ORDER TO BE AN ALLY.

I THOUGHT LET ME GIVE A TOOL BOX OF STRATEGIES.

WHY NOT CREATE A VOLUME WHERE LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE PERSPECTIVES ON IT IN DIFFERENT FORMATS, SO THEY'RE NOT ALL ESSAYS.

SOME ARE POETS.

SOME ARE SKITS, SOME ARE ESSAYS, SOME ARE INTERVIEWS.

>> AND PEOPLE FROM PERFORMING ARTS, BIOLOGISTS... >> YES, ARCHITECTURES.

>> YES.

ARCHITECTURES.

>> AND PEOPLE REFLECTING KIND OF WITHIN THEIR -- >> AND ANALYZING.

IT'S NOT JUST A JOURNAL, IT'S NOT JUST A PERSONAL KIND OF DIARY.

IT REALLY IS HOW DO YOU ANALYZE, HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND, AND WHAT ARE PEOPLE DOING.

IT'S ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT IT, THE OTHER THING IS TO SEE IT IN ACTION, THAT'S THE TITLE.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE TITLE, I TALKED ABOUT HOW PRACTICAL APPROACH TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSIVITY.

AND YOU MENTIONED THOSE BAD WORDS OR WHATEVER -- >> WELL, NOT BAD FOR ME.

>> I THOUGH.

BUT THE CURRENT CLIMATE.

WE JUST HAD AN ELECTION, DEI WAS A PEJORATIVE, AND THE PERSON AND THE GROUPS USING IT AS A PEJORATIVE, THEY WON AN ELECTION.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT THAT MY BOOK WOULD TAKE THIS LONG TO SORT OF VERSED.

AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE LESSONS IN THE BOOK ARE STILL RELEVANT NOW AS THEY WERE WHEN I STARTED THIS SEVEN YEARS AGO.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.

I THINK A GOOD THING IS THAT IT'S STILL HELPFUL AND IT'S STILL RELEVANT AND TIMELESS.

PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE NO, MATTER WHAT OUR CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO BE BETTER AND TO DO BETTER.

I HAVE TO BE BELIEVE IN THE FACE OF HUMANITY, I CAN'T BE A PESSIMIST BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DO BETTER AND BE BETTER.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

HOW ARE PEOPLE DOING BETTER AND HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE EXERTING SOME CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN LIVES.

>> AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT FOLKS TO TAKE FROM THE BOOK?

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, BUT I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT PEOPLE WILL TAKE FROM IT.

I JUST HOPE THEY PICK IT UP AND READ IT AND THEY'LL IDENTIFY WITH SOMETHING IN THERE.

SO THERE'S A BUFFET OF OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES.

>> SO WHEN I ASK WHO IS THE BOOK WRITTEN FOR, YOU SAY... >> THE BOOK IS WRITTEN FOR ALL OF US.

>> IS IT AN ACADEMIC BOOK?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THAT IS SO NOT WHAT I DO.

IN FACT, I'M NOT PART OF THAT LITTLE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ONLY WRITE FOR TWO PEOPLE.

THAT'S WHY I ASK K THROUGH 12 EDUCATORS, THAT'S WHY I ASKED AN ACTOR TO DO IT, WHY I ASKED RETIREES TO DO IT, A DANCER.

I'VE ASKED AN HBCU CANDIDATE TO WRITE IT.

MUSEUM DIRECTORS, I'VE GOT LIBRARIANS IN THERE.

AND THAT WAS ALSO ONE OF THE CHALLENGERS FOR MY PUBLISHER BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE TRADITIONAL SCHOLARS AND ONLY HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE VOLUME ARE QUOTE/UNQUOTE TRADITIONAL SCHOLARS BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE FOR EVERYBODY.

>> YEAH.

A HARD BOOK TO WRITE.

>> YEAH.

WELL, YOU GOT IT IN THERE CONGRATULATIONS.

MUST FEEL GREAT.

>> IT FEELS GREAT, LIKE I WISH THE NEED WAS NOT AS INTENSE AS IT IS, BUT IT SEEMS THE ELECTION BEARS OUT IN THE -- AND THE PLACE IS NEARLY PACKED TOMORROW IN TERMS OF REGISTRATION.

>> IT WILL BE PART THERAPY SESSION, AND THE CONTRIBUTORS WILL BE THERE ALSO IF ANYONE WANTS TO SHARE.

>> OH, OKAY.

6:30, CHANGING HANDLE, IN PHOENIX, SOCIAL JUSTICE IN ACTION.

A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> CELEBRATING ITS 60th ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR, THE FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT DESIGN BUILDING IS A LANDMARK ON THE TEMPE CAMPUS AND HAS BEEN THE SITE OF A NUMBER OF MAJOR EVENTS OVER THE YEARS.

THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ASU IS HERE AND JOINS US NOW.

ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> IT IS WONDERFUL TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK AGAIN.

>> YOU BET.

YOU BET.

OKAY, 60 YEARS FOR THIS.

60 YEARS.

OVER HALF OF THOSE YEARS I HAVE BEEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

>> WHEN DID YOU START?

>> 1992, DAMAGE WAS BIRTHED IN 1964 WITH OUR FIRST PERFORMANCE BY THE PHILADELPHIA ORCHESTRA.

EUGENE NORMANDY.

PRESIDENT GAMMAGE AND THEY WERE DEAR FRIENDS AND PRESIDENT GAMAGE SAID THIS IS A UNIVERSITY THAT DEMANDS A GREAT PURCHASING ARTS CENTER, AND MR. WRIGHT WENT, WELL, IT JUST SO HAPPENS I HAVE THESE PLANS MY HAND.

>> AND THOSE WERE LIKE HIDDEN IN A ROCK, WEREN'T THEY?

>> THE BAGHDAD OPERA HOUSE.

WE HAD TO PLANS.

AND THEY WALKED THE GROUNDS OF ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY.

MR. WRIGHT PUT HIS WALKING STICK ON THE GROUND AND SAID HERE WE WILL BUILD A GREAT PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WITH OPEN ARMS THAT SAYS WELCOME TO ARIZONA AND IT HAPPENED WITHIN THE WOMEN'S ATHLETIC FIELD.

>> OH, INTERESTING.

WAS IT ALWAYS A CURVE LIKE THAT OR IS IT THE CURVE BECAUSE OF -- >> IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CURVE.

AND WE HAVE AN HISTORIC CURVE ON THE STREET CURVES, AND THAT'S THE HISTORIC GAMAGE CURVE, MR. WRIGHT DIDN'T BELIEVE, IN PARDON THE PUN, RIGHT ANGLE.

SO EVERYTHING WAS BUILT ON A MUSICAL SCALE.

SO IT IS THE BIG ORANGE BIRTHDAY CAKE.

>> THAT'S AMAZING.

TALK TO ME MORE ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF BECAUSE THERE ARE QUIRKS IN THERE THAT I THINK WOULD SURPRISE EVERYONE.

>> HOW MANY DIFFERENT SHADES OF TERRA-COTTA DO YOU SEE IN THIS BUILDING?

>> I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO GUESS.

>> 57.

>> YOU COUNTED.

>> 57.

>> AND EVERYTHING FROM WHEN WE LAID THE CARPET DOWN, AND THE CARPET, WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, WAS ONE SOLID COLOR, AND QUITE REALISTICALLY PEOPLE COULD NOT 39 NATE THE STAIRS.

SO I THOUGHT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS CHANGE THAT.

I WAS INVITED TO GO TO MR. WRIGHT'S CLOSET AND I CHOSE ONE OF HIS TIES, AND THAT PATTERN THAT YOU SEE ON THE FLOOR THERE, IS HIS TIE WITH THE COLORS, THE EXACT COLOR SCHEME.

VERY DESERT COLOR SCHEME.

MOST OF THE BUILDING IS EXACTLY AS IT WAS IN 1964 WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS.

ONE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS WAS WHEN YOU CAME IN THERE, THERE WERE STAIRS STRAIGHT ACROSS, SO THAT ANYONE WITH ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES COULD NOT GET IN.

WE ADD RAMPS.

THEN WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SHOWS AND BIG SHOWS.

THE FIRST BIG SHOW, PHANTOM OF THE OPERA.

1994, IT WAS MY SECOND SEASON HERE, AND THAT CHANDELIER, AS WONDERFUL AS THE BUILDING WAS, IT WASN'T READY IN TIME.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE TINY HOLE IN THE CEILING, AND I CALL IT MY 3/4 OF A MILLION-DOLLAR HOLE BECAUSE WE HAD TO REINFORCE THE I-BEAMS TO HANG THAT.

SO WE'VE DONE A SERIES OF THINGS TO MAKE THE BUILDING LONGER THAN THE 50 YEARS MR. WRIGHT THOUGHT IT WOULD EXIST.

>> DID HE REALLY BELIEVE THAT?

>> YES.

HE BELIEVED ALL OF HIS BUILDINGS SHOULD LAST 50 YEARS AND FALL DOWN.

HE DIDN'T REALIZE OF COURSE HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO REPLACE THEM.

BUT WE HAVE DONE SOME MARVELOUS THINGS.

IF YOU LOOK ON THAT CURVE ON THE BOTTOM, I HOPE EVERYONE IS SEEING THIS PICTURE, THOSE ARE DUETS.

THERE USED TO OCCUR TAPES THERE.

SOUTHERN EXPOSURE.

WE KNOW WHAT THAT DOES.

THEY WERE REPLACING CURTAINS ALL THE TIME.

AND THE BEAUTIFUL SOMETHING IF MR. WRIGHT WERE ALIVE, HE'D SAY LOOK HOW MUCH IT SHOWS OFF THE ARK TECHNIQUE TOUR INSIDE AND OUT AND PROTECTS THAT AS WELL.

>> AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE IS PERFORM, WHAT ABOUT PERFORMERS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE, WHAT IS THEIR REACTION?

>> OKAY.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU A STORY.

WE HAD A PLAY, AND THE COMPANY MANAGER HAD EVERYONE SITTING ON THE STAGE.

AND SAID TO THEM, THIS IS A MARVELOUS BUILDING AND THIS MARVELOUS BUILDING HOUSES SOME OF THE GREATEST THEATRICAL PIECES IN THE WORLD.

I WANT YOU TO ABSORB THE BUILDING, EXPLORE THE BUILDING AND GIVE IT BACK TO US IN YOUR PERFORMANCE.

AND IT WAS A MARVELOUS PERFORMANCE.

>> AND THE ACOUSTICS, DO PEOPLE -- THEIR CURIOSITY... >> WELL, FIST OF ALL, WE HAD MANY, MANY PEOPLE COME TO SEE THEIR FABULOUS SHOWS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COME, BUT COME TO JUST TOUR THE BUILDING.

NEITHER OF THOSE MEN LIVED TO SEE THE BUILDING COMPLETED.

LESLIE COMPLETED THE BUILDING, THE SOUND WAS DESIGNED TO BE AN OPERA HOUSE, SO OF COURSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ELECTRONIC THINGS.

SO THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE WHICH DEAL WITH THE SOUND IN THE BUILDING.

AND I WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WHEN A SHOW COMES IN, THAT'S THE SOUND SYSTEM, THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BACK UP A LITTLE AND SAY, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT ALLOW US TO TELL YOU HOW THIS WILL SOUND THE BEST.

>> AND YOU'VE HAD TO DO SOME EXPANSIONS JUST TO GET TO THE BEST.

>> WE HAVE PUT MORE THAN $3 MILLION INTO SOUND.

AND WE'VE ALSO -- THERE'S AN AREA -- THEY ARE THEY'RE CALLED BLACKS, WE HANG THEM FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE BALCONIES ARE NOT ADHERED TO THE WALL.

SO THE GRAND IS HERE, AND THEN THE BALCONIES COMES UP AND GOES AROUND INSTEAD OF IN OTHER THEATER IT IS COMES UP THE BAWL BALL AND BACK AT YOU.

>> AND YOU'VE BEEN THERE SO LONG.

THIS IS YOUR BABY.

>> IT'S MY BABY.

YES.

>> I MEAN, WHEN YOU SEE IT, AND WHEN YOU THINK IT, DOES IT FEEL LIKE -- I MEAN, THAT'S YOU.

LOOKING AT YOUR LIFE THERE.

>> IT DOES, AND ON MY TOMBSTONE IT WILL SAY, SHE BROUGHT -- [ INDISCERNIBLE ] WE JOKE ABOUT IT.

BUT THERE WERE 21 FACILITIES FOR WOMEN AND 45 FOR MEN.

WE NOW HAVE 118 FOR WOMEN.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE LITTLE THINGS.

AND, AGAIN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THERE WERE NO ELEVATORS, WE HAD SOMEONE COME TO PERFORM THAT COULD ONLY GET INTO THE BUILDING GOING DOWN THE LOADING DOCK.

SO WE PUT THE FIRST ONE THERE AND THEN A SUBSEQUENT ELEVATOR.

>> WELL, COLLIN, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, A BEAUTIFUL SPIRIT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> AND I OPEN TIMBERLY TIM BOW, THE SAME PRODUCER THAT DID WICKED.

NOTICE MY NAILS, I SAW THE PERFECT PRIVATE SCREENING A MONTH AGO AT THE SHOW WITH ARIANNA, AND WITH CYNTHIA.

>> AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM DURING A MOVIE REVIEW TOMORROW.

COLLEEN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.