>> BONNIE ERBE: THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY, FIRST, THE KAVANAUGH SPECTACLE AND THEN MARVEL COMICTION BASIS ITS NEXT MOVIE ON ITS MOST POWERFUL SUPER HERO EVER.

FINALLY A WOMAN.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOUNG GIRLS?

>> BONNIE ERBE: HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SENDS BRETT KAVANAUGH'S NOMINATION TO THE SENATE FLOOR.

>> WHAT WHAT DEGREE OF CERTAINTY DO YOU BELIEVE BRETT KAVANAUGH ASSAULTED YOU?

>> 100%.

I HAVE BEEN ACYLSED OF ACTING OUT OF PARTISAN POLITICAL MOTIVES.

THOSE WHO SAY THAT DO NOT KNOW ME.

I AM AN INDEPENDENT PERSON AND I AM NO ONES PON.

MY MOTIVATION COMING FORWARD WAS TO BE HELPFUL AND TO PROVIDE FACTS ABOUT HOW MR. KAVANAUGH'S ACTIONS HAVE DAMAGED MY LIFE.

>> DR. CHRISTINE [APPLAUSE] Y FORD BEFORE THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE MAKING HER CASE.

ACCUSING SUPREME COURT NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.

AFTER HOURS OF TESTIMONY, BY DR. FORD, JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAD HIS SAY.

>> DR. FORD MAY HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY SOME PERSON IN SOME PLACE AT SOME TIME.

BUT I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS.

TO HER, OR TO ANYONE.

THIS WHOLE TWO WEEK EFFORT HAS BEEN A AND ORCHESTRATED POLITICAL HIT.

>> BONNIE ERBE: LATER IN THE DAY SENATOR KERSTIN GILIBRAND AND OTHER WOMEN ORGANIZATIONS RESPONDED AND THEY BELIEVE REPUBLICANS WILL PAY AT THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER IF THEY SUCCEED IN PUTTING BRETT KAVANAUGH ON THE SUPREME COURT.

>> IN MANY WAYS TODAY IS A HIGH MOMENT AND AN INSPIRING MOMENT FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE OF WHAT DR. BLASY FORD ACCOMPLISHED AND DID AND WAS ABLE TO DO.

BUT I THINK IT IS A VERY LOW MOMENT.

I THINK THE WAY THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS ON THAT COMMITTEE ACTED AND WHAT THEY SAID TREATING JUDGE KAVANAUGH AS THE VICTIM WAS DISTURBING.

AND IT DISAPPOINTING.

AND I THINK AMERICAN PEOPLE AND AMERICAN WOMEN AND SURVIVORS SAW THAT AS A STATEMENT OF DISREGARD.

I FEEL THE WAY THEY ACTED AND WHAT THEY SAID WAS HARMFUL TO WOMEN EVERYWHERE.

AND TO OUR VOICES, TO OUR VIEWS, TO OUR VALUE.

AND I JUST HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PAID ATTENTION.

>> TO THOSE PEOPLE IN POWER WHO PERPETRATE ABUSE, LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING, YOUR TIME IS UP.

SEXUAL VIOLENCE HAS NO PLACE IN OUR SOCIETY.

NOT IN HOLLYWOOD, NOT IN DOMESTIC WORK AND NOT IN THE HIGHEST COURT IN THIS LAND.

BRETT KAVANAUGH, SHOULD WITHDRAW NOW.

>> TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT AN FBI INVESTIGATION, WITHOUT EXPERIENCING MARK JUDGE OR ANY CORROBORATING WITNESSES AND WITHOUT GIVING DEBORAH RAMIREZ AND JULIE SWETNI.

CAN A CHANCE TO TESTIFY IS A STAIN ON THIS BODY.

>> BONNIE ERBE: IT WAS A DRAMATIC DAY ON CAPITOL HILL AS WOMEN GATHERED TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT FOR FORD AND SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.

>> THIS IS CERTAINLY CAREER SUICIDE FOR ANYONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS MOMENT.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WOMEN WHO HAVE COME FORWARD AT THIS POINT AND I BELIEVE EVEN WHEN THE FIRST WOMAN CAME FORWARD THE FACT THAT THERE IS SOMEONE WITH SUCH STRONG ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM SHOULD NOT QUALIFY HIM TO BE EVEN CONSIDERED AS THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.

>> THERE WERE ALSO COUNTER PROTESTS SUPPORTING JUDGE KAVANAUGH.

TTC PANELISTED PETRICE OF THE INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S FORUM WAS AMONG THEM.

>> WHAT WE CANNOT DO IS ALLOW TO SUSPEND TO TURN UPSIDE DOWN THIS IDEA OF A PROMS OF INNOCENCE FOR POLITICAL MOTIVATIONS.

>> AT LEAST TWO OTHER WOMEN OF STEPPED FORWARD TO ACCUSE KAVANAUGH OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.

>> SO SAM BENNETT, ASSUMING THAT THIS GOES TO THE FLOOR AND MAYBE THERE IS A DELAY FOR THE INVESTIGATION WITH THE FBI, BUT MAYBE THERE IS NOT.

HOW WILL DEMOCRATS, WOMEN, INDEPENDENTS REACT AT THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER?

>> WELL, MY BIG HOPE, BONNIE, IS THAT THE AMERICAN WOMAN WAKES UP FROM HER LONG SLEEP OF COMPLACENCY.

EVER SINCE MISNAMED YEAR OF THE WOMAN BACK IN 1992 WITH ANITA HILL AND CLARENCE THOMAS HEARINGS THAT IS MY HOPE.

>> I DID NOT SURE WOMEN INDEPENDENTS WHO ARE DEMOCRATS GAINED AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO FROM THE HEARINGS THAT OCCURRED ON THE NOMINATION OF KAVANAUGH AND I THINK THEY'LL PROBABLY DO IT THE WAY THEY INTENDED TO ORIGINALLY.

>> I THINK THEY FEEL DISRESPECTED AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL REMEMBER THAT COME NOVEMBER.

>> I THINK IT IS GOING TO ENERGY GILES THE BASE OF BOTH PARTIES AND I CAN TELL YOU AS A NEVER TRUMP REPUBLICAN WATCHING THOSE HEARINGS THIS WEEK MADE ME CONFIRM THAT I'M NOT ACTUALLY EVER GOING TO CHANGE TO BE A DEMOCRAT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

YOU WERE THINKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT IT BEFORE?

>> I WAS CERTAINLY THINKING ABOUT NOT BEING A REPUBLICAN ANY MORE BUT I WAS APPALLED AT THE HEARINGS.

AND THERE WAS BLAME TO GO AROUND IN BOTH PARTIES.

I DO BELIEVE AN FBI INVESTIGATION IS NECESSARY BUT I BLAME THE DEMOCRATS FOR HOLDING THE INFORMATION TO SUCH POINT THAT THAT INVESTIGATION THEN BECAME MORE DIFFICULT AND BECAME MORE POLITICIZED.

WE COULD HAVE HEARD -- WE COULD HAVE HAD WITNESSES AND HAD THE PEOPLE WHO DR. FORD CLAIMED WAS AT THAT PARTY QUESTIONED.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN 24/48 HOURS.

>> BONNIE ERBE: IT STILL COULD BE DONE BY THE FBI INVESTIGATION.

BUT WILL IT CHANGE NIP VOTES ON THE SENATE FLOOR?

>> WELL, IF, IN FACT, THEY CORROBORATE HER TESTIMONY, OF COURSE IT WILL CHANGE VOTES.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL CORROBORATE HER TESTIMONY BECAUSE I BELIEVE BRETT KAVANAUGH.

>> I DIS BELIEVE THEY COULD HAVE SUBPOENAED PEOPLE FOR THIS PARTICULAR HEARING.

THERE IS NO REASON WHY MARK JUDGE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE.

HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE A RAPE CASE OR SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE WHERE THERE IS A WITNESS.

>> BONNIE ERBE: WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO SAY ABOUT MARK JUDGE, THE POOR GUY IS DEPRESSED.

HE HAS ALL KINDS OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

I CANNOT GET OUT OF BED AND HE HAS CANCER.

HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY INVADE HIS LIFE.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT I HEAR?

EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES, YOU CAN SUBPOENA HIM IS HOW YOU GET HIM THERE.

IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POSITION, A LIFETIME POSITION WHERE THIS MAN WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO RULE OVER WOMEN'S CHOICES THROUGHOUT THIS NATION.

IT IS TOO IMPORTANT TO SAY, LET'S JUST LET THE MAN OFF THE HOOK.

>> BONNIE ERBE: DO YOU THINK WOMEN INDEPENDENTS BELIEVED HIM OR HER?

>> I THINK THE HARD PART IS WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE 100% CONFIDENT IN THEIR BELIEF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION WITH THAT.

WHETHER THAT MEANS YOU NEED AN FBI INVESTIGATION AND OTHER PEOPLE TO CORROBORATE IT, IT WAS 36 YEARS AGO.

I THINK WE EXPECTED TO GO INTO A CONVERSATION OR A HEARING TO HEAR BOTH SIDES AND CONTINUOUSLY SAY THERE IS A SILVER BULLET AN AHA MOMENT, A BLUE DRESS IN THE CLOSET AND THERE IS NOT THAT UNFORTUNATELY.

SO THE FACT IS WE HAVE TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND I THINK A BIG PART OF THAT DOESN'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE THE CLARITY THAT THEY NEEDS TO SAY I'M 100% CERTAIN HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH AND 100 PERIL CERTAIN SHE'S LYING.

>> BONNIE ERBE: WE KNOW THE PARTY LINE VOTE TOOK PLACE IN COMMITTEE AND SENATOR FLAKE TOOK TO THE FLOOR TO SAY THAT HE WANTS A AN FBI INVESTIGATION BEFORE THERE IS A FLOOR VOTE.

BUT CAN'T MITCH McCONNELL JUST SAY NO?

>> YEAH.

BUT OBVIOUSLY FOR EXAMPLE I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE ALL APPRECIATED SENATOR AMY REMARKS WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE AND WE HAD CANDIDATES WITHDRAW THEIR NAMES ON THE BASIS OF FBI INVESTIGATIONS AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE PRIVILEGE OF THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE A COGENT REASONABLE DECISION.

WHAT I'M HEARING AMONG US WE ALL AGREE HERE THAT AN FBI INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE.

I'M GOING TO THROW MY HAT IN THE RING, BONNIE, SAY AS A SURVIVAL SEXUAL TRAFFICKING MYSELF, SURVIVOR OF RAPE MYSELF THE PHENOMENA OF FALSE ACCUSER IS ENORMOUSLY RARE.

I THINK FORD'S TESTIMONY NEEDS TO BE PUT IN THE CONTEXT -- >> BONNIE ERBE: HAVE YOU SEEN PERCENTAGES HOW RARE?

1%, BELOW 10 PEARLS.

>> BELOW 10%.

>> BONNIE ERBE: BUT WOMEN OF COLOR WHO SOMETIMES NEED TO GET MOTIVATED TO VOTE PARTICULARLY IN MIDTERM ELECTIONS.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THIS NOVEMBER?

>> IT WILL TURN OUT AND TURN OUT STRONG.

WOMEN OF COLOR -- BLACK WOMEN IN PARTICULAR TURNED OUT IN THE 2016 ELECTION AND I WOULD ARGUE VOTED CORRECTLY.

>> BONNIE ERBE: BUT OVERALL IT WAS -- YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE OF COLOR NOT JUST WOMEN OF COLOR DIDN'T TURN OUT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T AN OBAMA RUNNING.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS NECESSARILY NOT AN OBAMA.

THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN.

I'M GOING TO BE VERY FRANK ABOUT IT.

SHE COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB WITH HER CAMPAIGN.

WE SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN ALABAMA.

BLACK WOMEN ARE THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE A DUG JONES IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW.

I EXPECT THAT SAME SORT OF ENTHUSIASM WITH THIS NEXT ELECTION BECAUSE WE SEE CLEARLY WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE.

>> I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T APPEAR THIS EFFORT BY REPUBLICANS AND SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEES IS NOT OBLIGATORY AND WE CHECKED A BOX WHO WAS NOT ACCUSING SUPREME COURT NOMINEE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.

I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THE PROCESS IS RIGHT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH LINDA AND OTHERS THE CONCERN IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NOMINEES THAT CONTINUE TO GO FORTH WITH THIS PROCESS AND IT NEED TO BE DONE THE RIGHT AWAY BUT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE VETTED.

IF THIS IS REALLY TRULY ADVISING CONSENT THAT IS WHAT THIS NEEDS TO BE.

THE PROCESS BROKE DOWN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED AND IF IT TAKES A WEEK TO GET IT RIGHT IT TAKES A WEEK TO GET IT RIGHT U >> THE POLARIZATION I'M SORRY I HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY SMEARED BY DEMOCRATS.

I HAVE HAD THE KINDS OF ATTACKS.

>> WHEN YOU RAN FOR THE US SENATE.

>> WHEN I RAN FOR THE US SENATE AND RAN FOR MY LABOR NOMINATION.

I KNOW THE DEMOCRATS CAN DO THIS AND YES, DO REPUBLICANS DO IT -- >> BECAUSE WHEN I RAN FOR US CONGRESS TRUST ME I GOT SMEARED MALICIOUSLY BY REPUBLICANS.

>> IT CAN BE ON BOTH SIDES.

IT HAS BECOME A PARTISAN PROCESS.

VOTING FOR SUPREME COURT JUSTICES THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT ON THAT COMMITTEE WHO WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH REGARDLESS.

AND, SO, I THINK THIS BECAME A KIND OF EXCUSE AND I THINK IT DID BECOME A LET'S TURN OUT THE VOTE AND TRY TO GET WOMEN RAILED UP.

I SAT THERE WATCHING NOT AS A WHITE MALE OF PRIVILEGE BUT AS A WORKING CLASS HIS SPAN EK FEMALE AND I'M TELLING YOU I FOUND HIM MORE CREDIBLE THAN I FOUND DR. FORD.

I FOUND A LOT -- >> WOW.

>> I FOUND A LOT OF HOLES IN WHAT SHE SAID INCLUDING HOW SHE GOT TO THE PARTY, HOW SHE GOT HOME.

THE DISTANCE HER FAMILY -- >> WHICH AGAIN IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN AN FBI INVESTIGATION WE COULD HAVE FOUND THAT OUT.

>> NOW MAYBE THERE WILL BE.

>> WILL THERE BE ENOUGH PRESSURE ON MITCH McCONNELL TO DELAY FOR -- THIS IS -- >> THIS IS A GUY WHO I WOULD IS BY THE WAY WAS SCHEDULING PROCEDURAL VOTES OVER THE WEEKEND SO SENATORS COULDN'T GO HOME AND GET REACTION TO THE HEARINGS FROM THEIR CONSTITUENCY.

HE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO HEAR WE BELIEVED HER.

>> BUT THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

THIS IS POLITICAL.

I THINK WHETHER WE WANT TO THE ADMIT IT OR NOT.

NOT THE SMEAR OR NECESSARILY THE AGENDA, POLITICS OF PERSONAL DESTRUCTION, THIS IS POLITICAL.

THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMEONE IN THAT SEAT.

GARLAND IS AN EXAMPLE HOW WE'RE PLAYING THIS TIT FOR AT THAT TIME GAME IN POLITICS.

WE HAVE TO GET SOMEONE IN THE SEAT BECAUSE WE COULD LOSE IT IN NOVEMBER.

>> MORE LIKE TAT FOR TAT.

BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS LOST ON GARLAND AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE ON KAVANAUGH.

>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT MITCH McCONNELL, THE PROBLEM IS DONALD TRUMP.

DONALD TRUMP ARNOLD THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS THE BODY RESPONSIBLE FOR SENDING OUT FBI INVESTIGATORS AND HE'S VERY MISTRUSTFUL OF THE FBI.

>> IS THAT THE ONLY REASON?

>> SINE IT IS PROBABLY THE PRIMARY REASON AND I THINK IT IS THE REASON WHY BRETT KAVANAUGH DIDN'T SAY OH, YES, I WOULD LIKE THE FBI TO GO OUT BECAUSE THAT MAY HAVE GOTTEN TRUMP TO PULL HILLS NOMINATION.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CREDIBILITY ISSUE BECAUSE I DO NOT FOR ONE SECOND BELIEVE THAT KAVANAUGH WAS MORE CREDIBLE THAN DR. FORD.

I MEAN, DR. FORD -- TESTIFIED THAT -- >> HE HAD EVIDENCE.

>> HE HAD LIES.

LET'S PUT THIS ON THE TABLE.

>> HE HAD CALENDARS AND WITNESSES.

>> BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU TELL A SMALL LIE IT MAKES ME WONDER SHOULD I BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT IS COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.

>> AND SENATOR BLUMENTHAL BROUGHT THAT UP THERE IS AN INSTRUCTION THAT JUDGES GIVE TO JURIES THAT SAY IF YOU THINK HE LIED AT ALL OR SHE LIED AT ALL, THEN YOU CAN -- YOU ARE ALOUD TO BELIEVE THAT THEY LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

SO WHEN YOU HEAR HIM SAY THAT THE DEVIL'S TRIANGLE IS A DRINKING GAME, THISTLES A LIE.

>> THAT RALPHING, BECAUSE HE HAD AN UPSET STOMACH.

>> THAT IS A LIE.

>> ALL THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.

I LAUGHED.

>> WHEN YOU HEAR HIM MAKE EXCUSES ABOUT THE REFERENCES THAT HE AND HIS FRIENDS IN HIGH SCHOOL MAKE TO A SPECIFIC WOMAN WHERE THEY CALL HER THEY'RE AN ALUMNI OF HIM.

>> ALUMNUS.

>> AND HE MAKES THAT SOUND SO INNOCENT.

THAT'S A LIE.

OKAY.

IT IS CONSISTENT.

CHARACTER FLAW.

WHAT WE SAW WITH HER IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE KNOW HAPPENS WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED TRAUMA.

A TRUTHFUL PERSON WILL ADMIT, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

A LIAR WILL MAKE YOU THINK THAT THEY THOUGHT EVERY PARTICULAR DETAIL IN PLACE.

BECAUSE THEY ARE LYING.

>> UNLESS SHE SAID YES I WAS TAKEN TO THE PARTY BY X AND THAT PERSON COULD COME IN AND SAY NO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.

>> YOU'RE THINKING THAT -- >> AND THERE WAS A CALENDAR THERE THAT SHOWED A WHOLE SUMMER.

>> WHO IS MORE CREDIBLE.

I WORRY A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT GOING THROUGH SOMEONE'S YEARBOOK.

ONE OF MY PROBLEMS WITH BRETT KAVANAUGH AND AGAIN I DON'T THINK THAT HE WAS LYING.

I THINK MY PROBLEM WITH BRETT KAVANAUGH IS THE FACT THAT HE SEEMS LIKE A CHOIRBOY.

PEOPLE ALL MAKE MISTAKES AND THE AVERAGE PERSON -- >> HE DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A CHOIRBOY YESTERDAY.

>> YOU LISTEN TO HIM TALK NOT DRINKING OR DOING CERTAIN THINGS IT DID FEEL OFF.

I WANT TO KNOW SOMEBODY WHEN THEY WERE 17 WOULD TOO MUCH TO DRINK AND PARTY BUT I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THEY SEXUALLY ASOMEONE AND THAT THEY'RE FALLIBLE.

HE SHOWED NO FALLIBILITY TO ME OR ATTRITION -- >> A LOT ABOUT DRINKING I DON'T KNOW.

>> THAT IS OKAY IF YOU'RE 73 NOT 53.

>> JUST A MOMENT TO GO 10,000 FEET IN THE AIR TO THE TOUR LANDSCAPE OF THIS, I'M DISTURBED AS A FORMER REPUBLICAN, RIGHT, WHO WORKS VERY HARD TO BE AS BIPARTISAN AS I POSSIBLY CAN WHENEVER I CAN THAT THIS REPEAT OF THE CLARENCE THOMAS HEARINGS AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

THAT WORRIES ME.

WHEN WE WROTE OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT WE WROTE IT AS A TWO-PARTY SYSTEM.

SO WE ALL GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLETELY DISCREDITED AND I FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND IN ADDITION TO THAT -- >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

I WANT TO GET SPECIFICS.

>> IT WORRIES ME.

>> AS OF THE END OF THE WEEK THE WEBSITE 538, THE NEW YORK TIMES WAS GIVEN DEMOCRATS A FARRED AND FIVE CHANCE OF TAKING CONTROL OF THE HOW ELSE.

HOW DID THE HEARINGS, HOW DID THE COMMITTEE VOTE WITH THE REQUEST BY SENATOR FLAKE THAT THEY'RE FBI INVESTIGATION BEFORE THERE IS A FLOOR VOTE, AFFECT THAT, WILL IT MAKE MORE DEMS TURN OUT AND VOTE MORE DEMS INTO OFFICE OR MORE INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS, WHAT ARE OUR PREDICTIONS HERE?

>> I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY SISTERS ACROSS THE TABLE HERE.

I THINK THAT BOTH PARTIES WHEN IT GOT PARTISAN, I THINK IT CATALYZED THE BASE OF BOTH PARTIES.

BUT I THINK THE UPTAKE FROM THIS IS THAT IT IS A FURTHER REINFORCEMENT AGAIN THAT WE AS AMERICAN WOMEN NEED TO WAKE UP FROM THIS SLEEP WALK WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN CINEOLES AT NEAT AHILL, CLARENCE THOMAS HEARINGS AND I THINK THAT IT GIVES VOICES SOMETHING THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

I'M 61 YEARS OLD.

I WAS SEXUALLY TRAFFICKED AND I WAS RAPED AS A YOUNG ADULT.

DID I TALK MUCH ABOUT THAT UNTIL I HAD EXPERIENCED 30 YEARS OF THERAPY THAT IS STILL I DON'T KNOW GOING.

NO.

WHY?

BECAUSE THE CULTURE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE VOCALIZATION OF THAT TRAUMA AND -- >> IT IS STARTING TO SUPPORT.

>> STARTING TO.

SO OUR BIG DANGER HERE IS ONCE AGAIN WE START SLEEPWALKING AGAIN AND PRETEND LIKE WE'RE ALL SLEEPING BEAUTY AGAIN.

INSTEAD OF TAKING THIS MOMENT IN OUR CULTURE'S HISTORY TO MOVE THAT PARTICULAR NEEDLE.

>> YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN CONSULTANT FOR A LIVING.

DO -- AFTER THE HEARINGS AND AFTER THE COMMITTEE VOTE, DO DEMS STILL HAVE A 40 -- FOUR TO 5% CHANCE OF -- FOUR OUT OF FIVE SORRY CHANCE THAT THEY WILL TAKE THE HOUSE AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE NINE TOSS-UP SENATE RACES?

ESPECIALLY WHAT WAS TELLING TO ME WAS O'DONNELL AT THE -- I'M SORRY, DONNELY FROM INDIANA READ A STATE, A DEMOCRAT CAME OUT AND SAID HE WOULD VOTE AGAINST KAVANAUGH.

THAT TO ME -- HE'S TALKING TO PEOPLE AT HOME AND HE'S FINDING OUT THAT MORE THAN -- MORE WOMEN PARTICULARLY WOMEN VOTERS ARE GOING TO VOTE -- ARE GOING TO SUPPORT HIM IF HE VOTES AGAINST KAVANAUGH THAN IF HE VOTES FOR THEM.

>> SURE.

I THINK THAT -- I THINK THE DATA AT LEAST THE FOUR TO FIVE NUMBER I THINK IT IS CONSISTENT.

I'M NOT SURE AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING HAS -- NOT MUCH AS CHANGED SINCE YESTERDAY.

NOW -- >> YOU MEAN SINCE FRIDAY.

>> SINCE FRIDAY.

>> SINCE THURSDAY.

I THINK IF THE ENVIRONMENT WERE TO CHANGE IN THE SENSE THAT THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION AND WE'VE DELAYED THIS VOTE IN SOME WAY IT IS POSSIBLE THAT MAYBE THAT SHIFTS THE CONVERSATION IF THE NOMINATION IS WITHDRAWN AND HE'S NOT CONFIRM FOR SOME REASON THAT CHANGES IF IT.

AS OF RIGHT NOW IF HE'S SET TO CONFIRM WE'RE AT STATUS QUO WHICH IS THAT PEOPLE ARE WHERE THEY WERE AND DEMOCRATS ARE VERY LIKELY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE TURN OUT THEY NED TO WIN.

>> BUT THEN IS IT ALL ABOUT MOTIVATION?

DEMOCRATS HAVE THE NUMBERS YET REPUBLICANS ARE BETTER AT TURNING OUT.

SO AT THE END, ISN'T IT ABOUT WHETHER THIS MOTIVATES DEMOCRATS OR NOT AND YOU'RE SAYING IT WON'T?

YOU'RE SAYING STATUS QUO?

>> THE DEMOCRATS ARE ALREADY MOTIVATED.

I'M NOT SURE THAT -- I'M NOT SURE WHAT MORE MOMENT VASE THEM AT THIS POINT.

>> THIS IS GOING TO SOUND COUNTER-INTUITIVE BECAUSE I'M A REPUBLICAN.

I THINK WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH DIVIDED GOVERNMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE HOUSE GO DEMOCRAT AND THEREFORE MY FEAR IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO MOTIVATE THE TRUMP BASE MORE THAN IT MOTIVATES THE DEMOCRATS WERE ALREADY MOTIVATED.

I'M WORRIED IT IS GOING TO -- >> WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

SORRY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR A WONDERFUL SEGMENT ON THIS ISSUE BUT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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FROM SUPREME COURT HEARINGS TO COMIC THEMED MOVIES.

>> THE FUTURE OF MARVEL COMICS IS FEMALE.

ACCORDING TO THE HEAD OF MARVEL STUDIO, THE FEMALE, CAPTAIN MARVEL WHOSE MOVIE IS IN THE WORKS IS MORE POWERFUL THAN ANY CHARACTER WE HAVE INTRODUCED THUS FAR, END QUOTE.

ACTOR BREE LARSON WILL LEAD THE FIRST MOVIE STARRING A FEMALE SUPER LEE.

SOME ANALYST WILL BELIEVE SHE'LL BECOME HOLLYWOOD'S NEXT BILLION DOLLARS STAR WHEN THE MOVIE IS RELEASED NEXT YEAR.

BUT OTHERS SAY THE HYPE MIGHT BE A SET UP FOR FAILURE BECAUSE DC COMICS SET A HIGH BAR WITH WONDER WOMAN.

WONDER WOMAN GROSSED MORE THAN $800 MILLION AT THE BOX OFFICE LAST YEAR.

MARVEL STUDIOS IS OWNED BY DISNEY.

>> SO IS THIS A MARKETING PLOY AND IF SO WELL OF COURSE ALL HOLLYWOOD IS ABOUT MARKETING PLOYS BUT WHAT IMPACT ON LITTLE GIRLS CAN WE EVER OVERSTATE THE AFFECT OF POP CULTURE ON LITTLE GIRLS PERCEPTIONS OF THEMSELVES?

>> I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT WONDER WOMAN AND THE SUCCESS THAT DC COMICS HAVE.

I WAS NEVER SOMEONE THAT FOLLOWED COMIC BOOKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT I THINK YOUNG WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS LOOK FOR MORE ROLE MODELS AND LOOK TO TELEVISION AND CARTOONS AND LOOK TO THE INTERNET TO FIND THOSE THINGS.

WHETHER THAT IS THROUGH POLITICS OR OILS.

I THINK THE MARVEL MOVIE IS A POSITIVE SIGN.

A PLOY TO GET MORE WOMEN ENGAGED?

DISNEY MAY NEED IT MORE THAN OTHER NETWORKS I THINK HAVE STRUGGLED WITH GENDER ISSUES, TOO MANY PRINCESSES AND STEREOTYPES AMONG YOUNG WOMEN.

IF WOMEN WANT TO SEE A STRONG EMPOWERED FIGURE MAYBE THIS MARVEL -- >> THIS MOVIE.

I HATE THESE MOVEDDIES.

I HATE THE CHARACTERS.

I WANT TO SEE WOMEN LOOKING AT MOVIE ITS LIKE HIDDEN FIGURES AND SEEING IN THESE SPUNKY, IN THIS CASE AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN WHO WERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE TYPING POOL, COME UP WITH THE ANSWERS TO HOW WE LAUNCH A ROCKET.

I MEANWHILE, THIS IDEA OF THESE FANTASY FIGURES.

I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS THE WRONG IMAGE WE OUGHT TO BE PUSHING.

I THINK LITTLE BOYS ARE HARMED BY THESE SUPER HERO IMAGES AND I DON'T THINK THAT -- >> FEMALE -- WHITE PEOPLE -- >> NO, NO, BY MALE.

I THINK THIS WHOLE SUPER HERO THING IS NEGATIVE.

I DON'T LIKE IT.

>> OH, LINDA.

NOW -- I -- >> I HAVE A 16-YEAR-OLD SON AND I WANT TO SAY I FINALLY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT I CAN GO TO THE MOVIES WITH.

I'M THE ONE THAT WAS ALWAYS -- I WENT TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE TERMINATOR MOVIES.

I'M ALL ABOUT SCIENCE FICTION AND ACTION FLICKS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT THINK THE SAME THING I DO.

IT IS PURE ESCAPISM AND IT IS FABULOUS TO HAVE WOMEN IN THOSE ROLLS.

MY SON LOVED AZARAUS INTEREST.

>> IS HE COMING OUT AS A -- YOU KNOW, GENDER FAIR PERSON NOT BIASED?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

SO AS A YOUNG BOY HE WAS FASCINATED BY MADUSA IN GREEK AND THE STAR WORDS AND I THINK FINALLY WE HAVE -- WE HAD AID WONDER WOMAN WHICH WAS A FABULOUS MOVIE LET ALONE THE ACCIDENTTERS.

A FABULOUS MOVIE.

>> DON'T FORGET BLACK PANTHER.

>> THAT WAS GREAT, TOO.

I THINK THE REAL BAR FOR MARVEL IS TO MAKE A GREAT MOVIE FIRST, RIGHT, AND THEN LET THE GREAT ACTRESS TELL HER STORY ALSO A PROTAGONIST.

>> ON -- I HAVE A 15-YEAR-OLD SON I WOULD HAVE TO SAY HE IS A SELF-PROCLAIMED BLERD, BLACK NERD.

HE LOVES THE COMIC BOOKS, DC PERSON OVER A MARVEL PERSON AND APPARENTLY THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I'LL PUT THAT OUT THERE.

BUT I'M SURE HE WOULD LOVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE HE LOVES -- HE GETS INTO READING THE COMICS AND LOVES THE STORY AND LOVES TO SITE REPLICATED ON FILM.

EVEN THOUGH THIS IS MARVEL I THINK HE WOULD ENJOY THIS MOVIE.

>> I THINK TO SOME EXTENT IT IS -- YOU MADE THIS GREAT POINT, TOO, WHICH IS THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ESCAPE AND I WOULD LOVE TO WATCH HIDDEN FIGURES EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND I HAD AGREE WITH YOU AND SOME EXTENT PEOPLE GET EXCITED TO GO TO THE MOVIES AND SEE A STRONG CHARACTER DESPITE THE FACT THAT I WANT IS FANTASY.

IT IS KIND OF NICE TO ESCAPE IN THIS DAY AND AGE.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE THEORY THIS IS OVERHYPE.

WONDER WOMAN WHICH I ALSO SAW AND I'M -- UNLIKE YOU I'M NOT INTO ACTION FLICKS BUT I JUST TO DO SEE THESE ICONIC MOVIES AND I WILL GO SEE THE ONE THAT COMES OUT IN MARCH.

BUT ARE THEY SETTING CAPTAIN MARVEL UP FOR DEFEAT BECAUSE WONDER WOMAN MADE $700 MILLION AND NOW THEY'RE EXPECTING -- >> BUT THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

IT IS SORT OF HOLLYWOOD'S VERSION OF THE R AND D, TWO SLIDES OF THE AISLE.

BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS YOU HAVE HOLLYWOOD PRODUCERS AND A HUGE CONGLOMERATE LIKE DIZZY GOING OH, THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE IN WENT.

OH.

AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK THAT REPRESENTS A SHIFT AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU MEAN YOU SEE WHAT MARVEL DID WITH BLACK PANTHER AS SHE MENTIONED.

A RECORD BREAKING MOVIE.

AND SO -- AND -- >> REALLY WAS ASIDE FROM BEING AN ACTION FLICK AND BEING MORE ABOUT SPECIAL AFFECTS I THOUGHT ALMOST THAN CONTENT, IT WAS FABULOUS.

>> IT WAS FABULOUS.

ALSO HAD FEATURED STRONG WOMEN.

I MEAN, THE -- THE SECURITY FORCE FOR THE KING ALL WOMEN.

THE SCIENTISTS ALL WOMEN.

PRINCES SO IT KIND OF CONTINUED THAT THING OF HAVING STRONG WOMEN LEADING THE WAY.

>> AND IT WAS GREAT IN TERMS OF I THINK MAKING PARTS FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

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