>> THE ISSUE OF ABORTION IS ONCE AGAIN BEFORE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OF THE CASE IN QUESTION PITS THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION AGAINST ANTI ABORTION.

DOCTORS AND OTHER GROUPS WHO SUED THE FDA AFTER IT MADE THE ABORTION PILL.

MIFEPRISTONE EASIER TO ACCESS.

BUT IN ORAL ARGUMENTS TODAY, JUSTICES APPEARED SKEPTICAL THAT THE PLAINTIFF, THE ALLIANCE FOR HIPPOCRATIC MEDICINE, EVEN HAS STANDING TO BRING THIS CASE.

>> JUST TO COMES ON THE STANDING ISSUE UNDER FEDERAL LAW.

NO DOCTORS CAN BE.

FORCE AGAINST CONSCIENCE IS TO PERFORM OR ASSIST IN AN ABORTION.

CORRECT?

>> IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL DOCTORS TO SEEK AN EXEMPTION.

BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT.

AND SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS THAT IN ORDER TO PREVENT THEM FROM POSSIBLY EVER HAVING TO DO THESE KINDS OF PROCEDURES.

EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD BE PREVENTED FROM GETTING ACCESS THIS MEDICATION.

SO WHY ISN'T THAT PLAINLY OVER BROAD SCOPE OF THE REMEDY, THE END OF THIS CASE.

>> AND JOINING US NOW WITH MORE ARE CALLING CONNELL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION OF ILLINOIS AND PETER BREEN, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND HEAD OF LITIGATION AT THE THOMAS MORE SOCIETY.

WELCOME BACK TO BOTH OF YOU.

CALLING WE JUST HEARD JUSTICE KAVANAUGH ON JACKSON THERE.

THE QUESTION, SKEPTICISM HERE ABOUT THE STANDING OF THE PLANE TO BOWSER, TAKE AWAY FROM IT HER.

SO I THINK THE JUSTICES ARE SKEPTICAL AS YOUR LEAD-IN >> THE PLAINTIFFS IN THIS DOCTORS WHO ARE OPPOSED TO ABORTION HAVE SUFFERED NO REAL INJURY, WHICH IS THE BASELINE FOR GETTING INTO FEDERAL COURT BECAUSE THEY DON'T PERFORM ABORTIONS.

AND AS YOU HEARD IN THE THERE'S AN EXEMPTION UNDER FEDERAL LAW FOR PHYSICIANS BEING FORCED YOU KNOW, PROVIDE PROCEDURES ARE MEDICAL CARE.

THAT IS A VIOLATION OF THEIR CONTENT.

AND SO I THINK IT'S A VERY HARD TO OVERCOME THAT FAR OF NO INTEREST.

FACT.

PETER, BRING TO THE THIS GROUP, THE ALLIANCE FOR HIPPOCRATIC MEDICINE DO ENOUGH TO PROVE THEY'RE STANDING OR THAT SOMEHOW THEY ARE SUFFERING INJURY RESERVE AS RESULT OF THE FDA'S RULING SHORTER.

AND SO THAT THE SITUATION HERE IS YOU'VE GOT A PRO-LIFE OBSTETRICIANS MIGHT BE WORKING ON THAT.

THAT WING OF THE HOSPITAL.

>> MAYBE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE THERE.

THEY GET CALLED INTO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

SO THERE'S NOT REALLY TIME TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, THE VERY VARIANCES OF FEDERAL LAW AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO THEY'RE GETTING CALLED IN RIGHT AWAY TO DEAL WITH THIS PATIENTS WHO HAS SOME PROBLEM MAY NOT EVEN REALIZE THAT IT'S PART OF A BOTCHED ABORTION OR A FAILED ABORTION.

AND SO THAT IS PART OF THE HARM THERE ALONG WITH THEIR ORGANIZATION, WHICH DOES STUDIES ON THESE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO THEY SUFFERED WHAT THEY CALLED FOR ADDITIONAL DAMAGE.

SO THERE ARE CASES WHERE THAT'S BEEN APPLIED.

SO THERE'S THE ISSUE IS STILL VERY MUCH UP IN THE AIR.

>> JUST FOUND IN THE AFFIDAVIT SAID ONE OF THE ACKNOWLEDGE HE HAD PERFORMED.

I'M ACTUALLY WITHOUT NOT CLEAR WHETHER IT WAS A SPONTANEOUS WHICH IS A OR WHETHER THERE WAS EVEN FETAL HEARTBEAT.

AND SO EVEN BY THE PLAINTIFF'S OWN PAPERS, THERE'S A REAL LACK OF INJURY.

IN FACT, PETER GREEN THAT THEY PLAN GET PAST THE ISSUE STANDING.

WHAT IS?

>> THE ALLIANCE FOR HIPPOCRATIC MEDICINE SAY THE FDA HAS DONE WRONG HERE, BUT THERE WERE 2 A BIG CHANGES.

SO IT'S ABOUT HOW THE MEDICATION IS APPLIED.

SO >> 2016 FDA TOOK AWAY THE REQUIREMENT TO TAKE THE MICE UP.

ROSS ALL THE SECOND PART OF BILL AT THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

ALSO REDUCED ALMOST ENTIRELY THE REPORTING OF COMPLICATIONS.

WELL, IN THOSE YEARS FALLING FROM 2016 ON EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS RAPIDLY INCREASED, ALMOST TRIPLED DEPENDING ON THE STUDY LOOK AT 5% OR SO.

AND THEN IN 2021, ACTUALLY TURNED THE WHOLE THING TO AN AT-HOME PROCEDURE.

SO YOU DON'T EVEN GET TO SEE A DOCTOR BEFORE YOU GET THIS ABORTION PILL THE DOCTOR WOULD NORMALLY DURING THAT VISIT FIGURE OUT YOU HAVE A VIABLE PREGNANCY.

YOU HAVE TOPIC ISSUE OR ONE OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

AND HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU?

BECAUSE FOLKS NEVER QUITE KNOW FOR SURE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE DOING THIS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME?

AND YOU KNOW THAT FIRST, YOU KNOW, PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S ALLOWED UNDER LAW.

SO ALL OF THAT WAS WIPED AWAY.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE COMPLAINT OF THE ALLIANCE AND THE MAJORITY OF JUSTICES TODAY, EVEN IF WE HAVE THE STANDING ISSUES, NO ONE THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE.

THE MAJORITY OF JUSTICES THE FDA DID EVERYTHING RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS A VERY POLITICAL PROCESS.

AND SO THEY DO HAVE A GOOD CLAIM THERE.

IF THEY GET OVER THE STANDING.

SO I DISAGREE ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF THEIR CLAIM.

>> AND I THINK WHAT TO BE PUT CONTEXT TO PARIS IS THE FACT THAT THIS LAWSUIT IS PART OF A VERY BROAD EFFORT NOT ONLY TO A STRICT ABORTION BUT TO A STRICT CONTRACEPTION.

AND AS WE SAW IN THE ALABAMA DECISION A MONTH OF GO, IVF IS A VERY DIFFERENT VIEW THE ISSUE, THE PRACTICE OF OF MEDICINE THAT I THINK SHARED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

WOULD SAY THE PLAINTIFFS ARE SUCCESSFUL YEAR?

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE ACCESS?

MEANS IS WOMEN STATES LIKE ILLINOIS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY LIVED IN A STATE THAT HAS AFFIRMATIVELY PASS ACCESS TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AS EASILY ON THE ARE OTHER COUNTRIES SUPT OR OTHER MEDICATION ABORTIONS.

SO THAT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPINGEMENT ON THE RIGHTS OF ALL MORE THAN HALF OF ALL ABORTIONS THAT ARE PERFORMED IN THIS COUNTRY.

TODAY ARE BY VIRTUE OF MEDICATION THE ACCESS TO MEDICATION ABORTION, INCLUDING NEW RULES IN 2021.

PETER DESCRIBED WERE DRAMATIC INCREASE IN ACCESS BECAUSE THEY MADE HEALTH CARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE KIND OF THE PORTALS THAT HAVE BECOME SO NECESSARY.

TURNING DURING THE PANDEMIC THE WOMEN ARE NOT BLOCKED FROM ACTUALLY IN-PERSON VISIT BY VIRTUE OF THESE NEW REGULATIONS THEY CAN, OF COURSE, SEEK AN IN-PERSON VISIT IF THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOPIC PREGNANCY.

BUT THIS IS WHERE THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CALL OUT WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY.

MANY MILLIONS OF WOMEN LIVE IN STATE WHERE THEY CANNOT EASILY SEEK A MEDICAL ADVICE BECAUSE OF ABORTION BANS OR RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE BY MORE THAN 21 STATES IN THIS POST WORLD.

PETER BREEN IS IS THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL HERE?

THE PLAINTIFFS IS TO IS TO ELIMINATE A ACCESS TO THIS DRUG?

WELL, IT RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THE COURT?

SO WE WE FIND MANNEQUINS, BRIEF ON BEHALF OF HEART BEAT INTERNATIONAL.

THEY HELP FOLKS.

>> WERE PREGNANT.

THEY RUN PREGNANCY CENTER NETWORKS ACROSS THE WORLD ACTION.

THOUSANDS OF PREGNANCY CENTERS TOGETHER AND THEIR CONCERNS EXPRESSED TO THE COURT, WHICH IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THESE ISSUES.

WAS THAT THE BY REMOVING THESE PROTECTIONS BY NOT EVEN REQUIRING AN IN-PERSON DOCTOR VISITS AND AN ULTRASOUND TO CONFIRM THE PREGNANCY AND MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE TOPIC SITUATION NOW YOU ARE DIMINISHING WOMEN'S HEALTH, YOUR INCREASE IN EMERGENCY ROOM FDA ADMITTED THEY WERE INCREASING EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS WITH BY ROLLING BACK THESE REGULATIONS.

SO IF THIS, IF THEY WERE TO WIN THIS LAWSUIT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN ILLINOIS ARE EMERGENCY ROOM VISIT CHEMICAL ABORTIONS WOULD GO DOWN.

LIFE WOULD GET SAFER AND BETTER AND YOU LOOK, I I DISAGREE, MIKE, MY GOOD FRIEND CALLING HERE.

THAT IS REALLY THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF THE COURT.

NOT THE BROADER ISSUES OF ABORTION, BUT ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO GET AN ABORTION, GIVE THEM THE BEST CHANCE OF A SAFE PROCEDURE.

INSTEAD, WHAT WE GOT TODAY, THIS IS WE WOULD SAY IN MY HOME, SAID NORTH DAKOTA, THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE IT'S THESE RESTRICTIONS IN OTHER STATES THAT HAVE MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR WOMEN TO ACCESS MEDICAL CARE.

>> VERY IMPORTANT TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF MEDICATION ABORTIONS, INCLUDING MISTER PRESTON.

THE FDA STUDIES SHOW THAT THEY ARE EXTREMELY SAFE.

THEY'RE SAFER PRESCRIPTIONS OF THEY'RE SAFE FOR THEM.

PRESCRIPTIONS OF PENICILLIN, THE COMPLICATE MORTALITY RATE PER 1000 PEOPLE FROM MIFEPRISTONE ESA PROCESS ABORTION.

HIS POINT 0, 6%, FOR OF IAG CREW 1000.

IS I BELIEVE 20 AND FOR PENICILLIN.

IT'S 49 AM.

AND SO IT IS A VERY SAFE PROCEDURE.

NOBODY IS BLOCKING ACCESS TO ISSUE OF A REGULATORY AGENCIES LIKE THE FDA SAY THE POINT IS WHEN THIS CASE.

>> DOES THAT SET KIND OF DANGEROUS PRECEDENT THAT, YEAH, TERRAIN IS DON'T GET TO SET THE REGULATIONS WELL, THEY SEE FIT CERTAINLY THE FDA WE HAVE NORMALLY BEEN ABLE TO TRUST THE FDA NOT TO BE POLITICAL, IF ANYTHING, THE MOMENT TO SLOW.

YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.

>> IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE OF SEA ISSUE OF ABORTION.

THEY HAVE NOT REGULATED IN THE WAY THAT THEY NORMALLY DO IS ANY OTHER DRUG.

SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES ACT APPLIES TO THEM JUST LIKE IT APPLIES TO ANY OTHER REGULATORY AGENCY.

AND SO WE JUST SAY, HEY, LOOK, GOING DO SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE.

JUSTIFY YOUR DECISION.

WHY WOULD YOU TAKE YOUR EMERGENCY ROOM RATE UP TO ALMOST IN 20?

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS IS GOING TO ADD.

THIS WILL CONTINUE.

I KNOW UNTIL WE HEAR THE FINAL COMING WITH THE LEAVE IT THERE.

MY THANKS TO CALLING KYLE.

>> AND PETER THANKS SO MUCH.

GOOD TO BOTH OF YOU.

THANK