>> A FATAL POLICE SHOOTING IN SYRACUSE, WAS IT REASONABLE TO OPEN FIRE?

LABOR FLEXES ITS MUSCLES IN DETROIT.

AND IT'S PRIME TIME IN COLORAD •.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED ON THE PANEL TONIGHT BY NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE, CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY AND LUKE PERRY FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

AN ONONDAGA DEPUTY SHERIFF HAS RETURNED TO WORK ON MODIFIED DUTY, AFTER FATALLY SHOOTING TWO TEENAGERS EARLIER THIS MONTH.

THE TEENS WERE IN A STOLEN CAR INVOLVED IN A SERIES OF BURGLARIES WHEN THE OFFICER APPROACHED.

HE SAID THEY WERE ABOUT TO RUN HIM OVER.

HOME SECURITY VIDEO SHOWS HIM STEPPING ASIDE, BUT THE INTERACTION IS HIDDEN FOR SEVERAL SECONDS SO MUCH IS NOT CLEAR.

THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IS INVESTIGATING.

THE COUNTY SHERIFF SAYS HE STANDS BY HIS DEPUTY.

THERE ARE LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INCIDENT-- WHAT DON'T WE KNOW ABOUT THIS CASE THAT WE NEED TO?

>> WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE LEARNED FROM THE VANTAGE POINT OF THE DEPUTY'S BODY CAMERA.

WE DON'T KNOW IT BECAUSE HE DID NOT TURN IT ON AND THE QUESTION IS WHY HE DID NOT TURN IT ON.

BECAUSE, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE HAVE READ IN THE NEWSPAPERS, HE HAD 3.3 MILES DURING WHICH TO THINK ABOUT THE NEED TO TURN IT ON, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS CLEAR THAT HE WOULD BE CONFRONTING MULTIPLE SUSPECTS AND ALSO THAT THE SUSPECTS PRESUMABLY WERE DESCRIBED BY THE PERSON WHO CALLED, OF 911 AS BLACK, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE HEIGHTENED HIS SCRUTINY AS TO HOW LEE WOULD HANDLE THE SITUATION.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

I'M HARD PRESSED TO JUDGE THIS SITUATION AND DRAW CONCLUSIONS ABOUT IT FROM 20,000 FEET IN THE AIR.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE EVIDENCE.

AND WE REALLY DO NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THERE IS A FULL INVESTIGATION ON THE PART OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

HOWEVER, AGAIN, WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER HERE IS THE FACT THAT THE ONONDAGA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS WHAT MOST WOULD SEE AS A VERY WEAK BODY CAM POLICY.

IT REQUIRES ONLY THAT DEPUTIES RECORD-- AND I'M QUOTING-- UPON ENGAGING IN ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT-RELATED ACTIVITY.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT MORE.

PUNCHING IN ONE'S TIME CARD COULD BE A FORM OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY.

AND THEN I'LL SAY THIS FINALLY, THAT I'M VERY TROUBLED BY THE FACT THAT THESE TWO YOUNG MEN LOST THEIR LIVES OVER A CAR AND A HUNDRED HUNDRED DOLLARS DAY-- HYUNDA AND WE HAVE SEEN OTHER INCIDENTS WHERE THIS FITS A LARGER PATTERN WHERE BLACK FOLK ARE SHOT FOR SITTING IN A DAR, FOR HAVING A CIGARETTE.

I'LL SAY THIS LAST THING.

WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT THIS WAS AN INSTANCE OF THE DEPUTY NOT ARRESTING, NOT HAVING THESE INDIVIDUALS PROSECUTED, NOT HAVING A JUDGE OVERSEE A TRIAL AND A JURY FIND INNOCENT OR EXONERATED BUT DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN ONE FULL SWEEP.

>> OKAY, WELL, YES, THERE WAS A CAR COMING TOWARDS HIM.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN HE ACTUALLY FIRED BECAUSE THE VIDEO DOES NOT MAKE THAT CLEAR.

CHAD, IN YOUR VIEW, IS THIS, FROM WHAT WE KNOW AND WHAT NINA POINTED OUT, THERE IS A LOT WE DON'T KNOW AND THE BODY CAMERA WAS NOT ON.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTOMATIC MECHANISM TO TURN IT ON.

BUT THE POLICE OFFICER IN THAT SITUATION, WHAT SHOULD HE HAVE DONE?

>> I MEAN LOOK, THIS IS A HIGHLY STRESSFUL LINE OF WORK AND SO MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A COMFORTABLE THING TO DO.

WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT 10 TO 12 SECONDS OF TAPE THAT WE ARE ALL JUDGING THINGS BY.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT TRANSPIRED THERE, SECOND OFFICER ENTERS THE LOT, SUV FLEES BEFORE THE POLICE OFFICER PINS THE CAR AGAINST THE HEDGES.

MARK 11, THE OFFICER EXITS THE CAR, 13 THE HYUNDAI REVERSES, 13 IT LURCHES FORWARD TOWARDS THE OFFICER AND THAT'S WHEN THE SHOTS ARE FIRED.

MARK 16, THAT'S WHEN THE OFFICER MOVES AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT VERY SMALL AMOUNTS OF TIME WHERE VERY, I DON'T KNOW, INDINGTIVE SPLIT DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE.

THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE-- AND SO LIKE NINA I AGREED WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU SAID UNTIL THE VERY END.

THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE FACED A CHOICE.

THEY DO HAVE STAYED.

THEY COULD HAVE ESCAPED THROUGH THE SAME WAY THAT THE SUV DID BY AVOIDING THE OFFICERED, OR THEY COULD HAVE AIMED FOR THE OFFICER HIMSELF AND THAT'S WHAT THAT CAR DID.

SO FOR HIM TO REACT THE WAY THAT HE DID, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE OFFICER, BUT LIKE I'M THINKING THAT A LOT OF GOOD MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THICK AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO JUDGE THAT.

>> COULD I ADD TWO THINGS.

THEY COULD NOT HAVE ESCAPED IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE OTHER CAR BECAUSE HE HAD PINNED THEM IN.

AND... >> THEY WENT INLEY VERSE AND THEY COULD HAVE GONE LEFT OR RIGHT.

>> AND THEY HAD TREES BEHIND THEM.

>> THEY BACKED INTO AND THEY COULD HAVE TURNED LEFT OR RIGHT AND LEFT WAS STILL AN OPTION.

>> I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

>> I'M SORRY.

LET'S GET LUKE IN ON THIS.

I.

>> I THINK IN TERMS OF THE FEAR THAT THE POLICE OFFICER FACED, THAT'S WORTH CONSIDERING AND I THINK IF THE OFFICER REASONABLY BELIEVED HIS LIFE WAS IN DANGER, THAT DONE A COULD BE A JUSTIFICATION FOR USING DEADLY FORCE.

I ALSO THINK ABOUT THE FEAR THE TWO MINORS FACED.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD DAVE, THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHY DID THE POLICE OFFICER NOT CALL FOR BACKUP AND WHY DID THE POLICE OFFICER DRIVE HEAD ON INTO THE VEHICLE WHEN APPROACHING THESE INDIVIDUALS?

AND SO IF I'M A CHILD, A TEENAGER SITTING IN THAT CAR, A POLICE OFFICER COMES FULL SPEED AT ME, CRASHES INTO MY VEHICLE, I COULD ALSO REASONABLY BE FEARFUL FOR MY OWN LIFE AND RESPOND IN WAYS THAT ARE NOT OPTIMAL.

AND THAT I STILL PROBABLY SHOULDN'T LOSE MY LIFE BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHERE THOSE SHOTS WERE FIRED, WHERE THEY FIRED WHEN THE VEHICLE PASSED?

WHAT IS THE AUTOPSY GOING TO SHOW.

I THINK THAT WILL SHED LIGHT EXACTLY WHEN THE POLICE OFFICER FIRED AND TO WHAT EXTENT THAT IS SELF SELF-DEFENSE.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HUMANIZE BOTH SIDES IN A WAY, RIGHT?

YES, I WAS SLEEPING IN MY HOUSE, NICELY AT 4 A.M. AND THE OFFICER WAS, YOU KNOW, RUNNING TOWARDS A PARTICULAR INCIDENT THAT WAS POTENTIALLY DEADLY.

AND YES THE QUESTIONS ARISE WHY DIDN'T HE PUT ON HIS CAMERA BEFORE WHEN HE WAS GOING TOWARDS SIX SUSPECTS, EITHER CALL BACKUP OR HAVE A BODY CAMERA.

THIS IS A NO BRAINER.

AND THEN WHY DIDN'T HE SHOOT THE TIRE?

IF I LOOK AT THE VIDEO AND HAVE I SHOWNID TO MANY PEOPLE.

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THEY'RE TRYING TO ATTACK THE POLICE OFFICER.

THEY'RE TRYING TO IN FACT ESCAPE.

THEY'RE BACKING UP AND GOING OUT F. THEY WANTED TO HIT THE POLICE OFFICER, THE POLICE OFFICER WAS RIGHT THERE.

THE POLICE OFFICER WAS NOT HIT.

NOW HE SHOOTS AND HE DOESN'T SHOOT THE DRIVER.

HE SHOOTS TWO PASSENGERS AND TWO MINORS IN THE BACK SEAT.

NOW WE MIGHT ASK WHY, IN THE ENTIRE WORLD IN 192 COUNTRIES THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.

THIS NO, SIR-- THIS IS NOT A NORMAL THING FOR ANY OTHER POLICE IN A COUNTRY TO DO.

WHY ARE WE DOING THAT?

SUPREME COURT CLEARLY SAID THAT OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THE SUSPECT POSES A SIGNIFICANT THREAT OR A THREAT OF SERIOUS PHYSICAL INJURY TO THE OFFICER, THE OFFICER IS FREE TO TAKE ACTION AND SHOOT BUT WHY SHOOT AT A MOVING CAR.

SEVERAL CITIES HAVE BANNED THAT.

I THINK SYRACUSE SHOULD BAN THE IDEA OF SHOOTING AT A MOVING CAR.

>> I REALLY WANT TO GET IN HERE AND SAY THIS.

I THINK IT'S WRONG FOR US TO SIT HERE AND DO THE MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ANGLES.

AND I THINK CRUX OF THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THE BODY CAMERA WAS NOT ON.

AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO BOTH, AS LUKE POINTED OUT.

BOTH THE TEENS AS WELL AS THE DEPUTY, BUT THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BODY CAMERAS.

AND THE FACT THAT HE DID NOT TURN THEM ON COULD BE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME.

THIS ACTUALLY IS A YOUNG OFFICER.

ONLY 34 YEARS OLD.

SO THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE IF THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES FOR NOT TURNING ON THE BODY CAMERA, WHAT THE HELL DO WE HAVE THEM FOR?

>> THERE WERE FACTUAL CLAIMS HERE.

NO BACKUP CALLED IN 3.3 MINUTES.

DISPATCHER COULD HAVE DONE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A BACKUP CALL OR NOT.

I DON'T KNOW THE FACTS OF THAT.

CRASHING INTO THE CAR, THAT HAPPENED.

THAT HAPPENED AFTER THE SUV HAD NEED.

IT WAS A REACTION TO THE SUV STARTED TO GO BEFORE.

>> HE SHOT THE PASSENGER.

NOT THE DRIVER.

>> WE'LL LEAVE THAT RIGHT THERE.

I THINK WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS OVER THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME.

TODAY IS DAY 8 OF THE UNITED AUTO WORKERS STRIKE AGAINST THE BIG 3 AUTOMAKERS.

UAW PRESIDENT SHAWN FAIN GAVE THE CAR COMPANIES UNTIL THIS MORNING TO MAKE PROGRESS OR HE'D SEND MORE WORKERS TO THE PICKET LINES.

WE'RE TAPING THIS PROGRAM BEFORE THAT DEADLINE, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT IT SEEMS AT THIS POINT THAT THE STRIKE WILL EXPAND.

THE UNION WANTS A 36 PERCENT SALARY INCREASE, A 32-HOUR WORK WEEK AT 40 HOUR PAY, AN END TO TWO-TIER SALARY STRUCTURE, RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE AND TO BRING BACK A DEFINED-BENEFIT PENSION PLAN.

THAT'S A BIG ASK.

IS IT TOO BIG?

>> NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO BIG AN ASK AT ALL.

I'LL START WITH A QUOTATION FROM ONE OF MY FAVORITE AMERICAN HEROES AND HE SAID THAT POWER CONCEDES NOTHING WITHOUT DEMAND.

AND THIS IS FREDERICK DOUGLASS, RIGHT?

I THINK THE MAIN ARGUMENT IS ABOUT DIGNIFIED LABOR AND THAT UAW WORKERS HAVE TAKEN CONCESSIONS DURING THE LAST GREAT DEPRESSION AND AFTER THAT, THEY WANT A PAY RAISE.

THEY WANT 40% RAISE AS THE EXECUTIVES HAVE GOTTEN.

BUT ALSO THERE IS A BIGGER ARGUMENT ABOUT ACTUALLY MOVING WHEN THESE CAR COMPANIES ARE GETTING THIS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC MONEY TO START THIS GREEN ECONOMY, GREEN JOBS AND BATTERIES AND ALL THAT, THE UAW, THE WORKERS WANT DEFINED UNION JOBS FOR THOSE BATTERY KINDS OF COMPANIES ALSO.

NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 32-HOUR WORK WEEK WHICH GETS ALL THE CONSERVATIVES BENT OUT OF SHAPE.

THIS HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY OLD WORK.

REMEMBER, MIGHT I REMIND EVERYONE THAT BEFORE THE NEW DEAL, PEOPLE WERE WORKING 100 HOURS A WEEK.

PEOPLE THOUGHT 100 HOURS WAS FINE AND WE CAME DOWN TO 40 HOURS.

SO 32 HOURS WORKS AND MICROSOFT HAS PILOTED IN JAPAN, THERE IS A NON-PROFIT FOR A FOUR-DAY WEEK GLOBAL PILOTING WITH MANUFACTURERS AND OTHERS HAVE SEEN TREMENDOUS LEVELS OF INCREASE.

NOW I THINK THAT THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THAT DEMAND MIGHT NOT HOLD, BUT YOU SHOULD GO INTO THE TABLE WITH A KIND OF MILITANT ATTITUDE THAT SHAWN FAIN IS DOING AND MORE POWER TO HIM.

>> PERHAPS HE IS ASKING FOR MORE KNOWING THERE WILL BE CONCESSIONS.

>> AND NO TIERS, EVERYBODY JOINS AT THE SAME LEVEL.

>> DO YOU SEE MY EYES ROLL?

[LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S WHY WE PUT YOU GUYS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE TABLE.

>> THERE IS 168 HOURS IN A WEEK.

THEY WORKED HUNDREDS OF HOURS A WEEK?

LOOK.

SO REFRAME THE QUESTION.

FORD HAS AGREED TO BOOST ANNUAL AVERAGE PAY AND BENEFITS FROM 1 IS $2,000 A YEAR TO 133,000 A YEAR.

THAT'S THE OFFER ON THE TABLE SHOULD THEY TAKE IT.

I THINK THEY PROBABLY SHOULD.

IT'S ONE THING TO DECRY THE INJUSTICE OF A 40% PAY RAISE FOR THE C.E.O.s BUT BAD MATH TO CONCLUDE THAT IT'S REASONABLE FOR THE WORKERS TO GET A 40% RAISE AS WELL.

IF YOU REDISTRIBUTE THE MONEY THAT THE WHOLE $29 MILLION PAYCHECK THAT THE ONE G.M.

C.E.O.

IS GETTING, IF YOU REDISTRIBUTED THAT TO THE UAW WORKERS, IT AMOUNTS TO $200 PER WORKER PER YEAR.

SO AGAIN, LIKE I CAN BE SYMPATHETIC TO THE IDEA OF THE 40% OF THE EXECS HAVE GOT IS UNJUST BUT IT'S IMPRACTICAL, WHAT WAS YOUR WORD, UNREASONABLE?

IT IS UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT ALL THOSE WORKERS TO GET 40%.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE PUSHBACK ON THAT POINT.

THE EXECUTIVES HAVE HAD THERE I SALARIES GROW 20 TO 30% TO 20 TO $30 MILLION A YEAR.

HOW DO YOU THINK THEIR SALARIES SHOULD BE DETERMINED IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMPANY?

>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK A LOT OF THE PROBLEM HAS TO DO WITH THE LACK OF COMPETITIVE VAIRMT IN THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY SO YOU GET SUPER PROFITS.

SO MAYBE YOU CAN THINK ABOUT CONGRESSIONAL PRESSURES WHAT THE SALARIES SHOULD BE, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THE CONSUMER SIDE OF THE MARKET, TOO.

IF YOU LOOK AT RECENT TRENDS, RIGHT NOW, ONE OUT OF EVERY FIVE NEW CAR LOANS ARE WRITTEN FOR SEVEN-YEAR TERM.

THAT'S TWICE AS HIGH AS IT WAS JUST FIVE YEARS AGO.

AND THE AVERAGE LOAN IS $5,000 HIGHER THAN IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO SO YEAH, IT'S UNJUST.

THINKING ABOUT THE CONSUMERS.

>> SHOULD IT BE 5 MILLION, 10 MILLION?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> BECAUSE SWEDEN HAS RULES ABOUT THAT.

>> I THINK MY VERY DEAR COLLEAGUE CHAD HAS MANAGED TO MUDDY THE ISSUE WITH THE LAST COMMENT.

AND I THINK, LUKE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY, WHAT IS AT ISSUE HERE IS WHY CORPORATE EXECUTIVES ARE BEING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN IT IS THE WORKERS WHO ARE PRODUCING THE PRODUCT THAT BRINGS IN THE INCOME THAT THE EXECUTIVES THEN PAY THEMSELVES.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE LEADER OF THE UAW IS REALLY QUITE PERSUASIVE IN CONNECTING THEIR CLAIM OR DEMAND FOR 40% RAISE TO THE 40% RAISE THAT THE EXECUTIVES GAVE THEMSELVES.

WHETHER OR NOT IT ACTUALLY CAN BE SPREAD OUT FROM THE EXECUTIVE'S PAY IN A WAY THAT IS FEASIBLE AND KEEPS THE COMPANY IN GOOD SHAPE, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I DO KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG HERE WHEN YOU HAVE THE WORKERS WHO ARE ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE TAKING PAY CUTS AND CORPORATE EXECUTIVES ARE LINING THEIR POCKETS.

AND IF NOTHING ELSE COMES OUT OF THIS, OTHER THAN RIGHTING THAT, NOT FOR EQUAL EQUITY BUT CHANGING THE DYNAMIC, THEN THIS IS WORTH IT AND I'M WILLING TO PAY MORE FOR A CAR IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> THIS IS COLLEGE FOOTBALL SEASON, AND WHILE I'M EXCITED BY THE UNDEFEATED SYRACUSE ORANGE, THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS TALKING ABOUT DEION SANDERS.

HE'S TRANSFORMED THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO BUFFALOES INTO THE HOTTEST THING IN SPORTS, AND HE'S DONE IT HIS WAY-- BRASH AND WITH NO APOLOGIES.

HE TOLD THE PLAYERS HE DIDN'T WANT, TO LEAVE, BROUGHT IN MORE THAN 50 TRANSFERS, INCLUDING SEVERAL FROM JACKSON STATE, THE HBCU WHERE HE COACHED LAST YEAR.

HE'S CHANGING COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND STIRRING UP PLENTY OF CONTROVERSY.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE SANDERS STORY THAT HAS TOUCHED SUCH A CHORD IN SOME AND A NERVE IN OTHERS?

>> WELSHING I THINK IT'S TWO FACTORS.

JEALOUSY AND RACE.

I THINK WHAT WE HAVE SEEN HERE IS A REMARKABLE DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF HOW DEION SANDERS HAS TURNED A FOOTBALL PROGRAM THAT BARELY WON A COUPLE OF GAMES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS INTO STARTING 3 HF 0 AND THEY HAVE BECOME THE HOTTEST TOP NICK SPORTS, PARTICULARLY COLLEGE FOOTBALL.

ALL THEIR GAMES ARE PRIME TIME.

THE UNIVERSITY IS MAKING MONEY.

SANDERS IS MAKING MONEY, HIS PLAYERS ARE MAKING MONEY BECAUSE OF HIS MARKETING SAVVY AND YOU HAVE OTHER COACHES WHO ARE TAKING SHOTS AT HIM.

THEY CRITICIZE HIM FOR RECRUITING TOO MANY GOOD PLAYERS AND TURNING OVER A BAD ROSTER?

CRITICIZED HIS APPEARANCE FOR WEARING SUNGLASSES AND WEARING A HAT?

THIS HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD SOMEONE IN THE POSITION OF SANDERS DO WHAT HE IS DOING AND ANGER WHITE COACHES WHO WANT THINGS DONE THEIR WAY AND THEY'RE JEALOUS OF HIS SUCCESS AND I WAS NOT A DEION SANDERS FAN BEFORE THIS BUT I AM NOW.

I'M ROOTING FOR HIM.

ROOTING FOR COLORADO BECAUSE THE CRITICISMS ARE WRONG AND IT'S ANOTHER REVELATION OF THE UGLINESS OF AMERICAN SOCIETY.

>> HE HAS BROUGHT IN PLAYERS.

THEY'RE DOING EXTREMELY WELL.

ON THE OTHER HAND, WHAT ABOUT THOSE GUYS WHO WERE THERE?

WHO HE CAME IN AND SAID OKAY, YOU GUYS ARE GONE.

THEY WERE RECRUITED THERE.

THEY HAVE LIVES AT THAT UNIVERSITY.

I MEAN I KNOW COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS A BIG BUSINESS BUT NOT FOR ALL OF THOSE GUYS.

>> YOU ARE SPEAKING TO THE UGLINESS OF IT.

AND DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, HE REVOKED 13 SCHOLARSHIPS TO HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS WHO COMMITTED TO COLORADO.

ONLY 10 OF THE SCHOLARSHIP PLAYERS FROM LAST YEAR'S ROSTER ARE RETURNING.

46 OF HIS PLAYERS HAVE TRANSFERRED AND ON 60 MINUTES HE SAID MY KIDS THAT PLAY FOR ME, THEY DON'T CHOOSE A UNIVERSITY.

THEY CHOOSE ME.

AND SO LIKE YEAH, IT IS NAIVE, BUT THOSE ARE STILL HEART BREAKING SENTIMENTS AND FACTS FOR THOSE OF US WHO BELIEVE IN THE STUDENT ATHLETE MODEL.

BUT HERE'S THE THING.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

IT IS NOT A DEION CRITICISM.

IT'S A CRITICISM ABOUT YOU JUST THE PLAYING FIELD, THE PRIORITIES IN TOP TIER NCAA FOOTBALL.

AND SO, YEAH, IT IS UNFAIR THAT DEE JOB IS GETTING THE FLAK FROM IT.

>> HIS JOB IS TO WIN.

>> IT IS.

>> D-1 FOOTBALL, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY.

AND THAT MONEY COMES FROM TV REVENUE AND THEY'RE THE HOTTEST STORY AND HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SO YES, I FEEL BAD FOR THE PLAYERS BUT THE PLAYERS WEREN'T PERFORMING.

THEY WEREN'T WINNING SO IF I'M IN DEION'S POSITION, IT'S MY DUTY TO TURN OVER THAT ROSTER AND DO MY BEST TO PUT A SUCCESSFUL PRODUCT ON THE FIELD.

AND AS EDUCATORS, I HEAR YOU, CHAD.

>> CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING A HIGH SCHOOL KID, DECEMBER OF YOUR SENIOR YEAR.

I'M GOING TO COLORADO.

OH NO I'M NOT.

>> YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

>> IT'S SO MUCH BIGGER THAN INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE RAISED, DAVE AND THAT LUKE HAS SPOKEN TO IS THE LARGER PHENOMENON OF HOW THIS IS BEING REACTED TO.

AND I THINK THE REACTION IS AN INDICATION OF A CULTURE.

ONE OF THE WASHINGTON POST COLUMNISTS WHO WROTE ABOUT THIS, THEODORE JOHNSON SAID THIS: THE TWO WHITEST POSITIONS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD ARE HEAD COACH AND QUARTERBACK AND HERE WE ARE 30, 40 YEARS AFTER THIS CONVERSATION FIRST BEGAN, HAD THIS NOT BEEN THE CASE, THEN PERHAPS DEION BEING DIFFERENT AND BEING PART OF A DIVERSE POPULATION WOULDN'T STRIKE THE OTHER WHITE COACHES AS BEING SO ODD.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET AT THAT SO MORE PEOPLE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO A WINNING BLACK COACH WHO WEARS SUNGLASSES OF ALL THINGS.

BUT ON TOP OF THAT, I THINK THERE IS SOME BLAME TO BE CAST AT THE FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO ABIDE THIS SYSTEM, WHO ARE PART OF A SYSTEM WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE REPRESENTATION AND THE HEAD COACH OFFICE AND IN THE POSITION OF QUARTERBACK.

WHY DO BLACK PLAYERS KEEP GOING ALONG WITH IT WITHOUT COMPLAINING?

WHY NOT KNEEL ON THE FIELD FOR THAT?

>> SO ONE OF THE THINGS SANDERS DID WAS FIRST HE WENT TO JACKSON STATE AND HE CONVINCED PLAYERS TO GO THERE WITH HIM.

AND TO TRY AND MAKE THAT A RELEVANT PROGRAM, WHICH HE DID.

AND THEN OF COURSE HE TOOK THE JUMP FOR, I'M NOT SURE FOR WHAT REASONS EXACTLY.

HIGHER PROFILE, I GUESS, TO GO TO COLORADO.

SO ANIRBAN, QUICKLY YOUR TAKE ON THAT?

>> I'M TERRIFIED THAT HAVE I TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

>> YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW SECONDS TO DO IT.

>> I'LL END WITH A QUESTION, WHO DO I BET FOR, THE OREGON DUCKS OR COLORADO BUFFALOES.

>> COLORADO.

>> OKAY.

WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE As AND FS AND WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN WITH NINA.

>> AN ARTIST WHO SUBMITTED TWO BLANK CANVASES AS QUOTE UNQUOTE ART IN RETURN FOR $70,000 HAS LOST HIS COURT BATTLE WITH THE MUSEUM IN DENMARK WHO ASKED FOR THE MONEY BACK.

HE TITLED THE EMPTY FRAMES "TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN" AS A COMMENTARY ON LOW WAGES.

IT WAS MORE LIKE A COMMENTARY ON HIS LAZINESS.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> MY F GOES TO THE SITUATION IN THIS COUNTRY WE ARE HAVING SCHOOL KIDS READ WHERE MARY WOOD WHO IS IN THE PICTURE, THE F IS NOT FOR HER, IN TROUBLE.

WELCOME TO SOUTH CAROLINA'S LAW THAT FORBIDS TEACHERS FROM MAKING STUDENTS FEEL DISCOMFORT, GUILT, ANGUISH OR ANY OTHER FORM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL DISTRESS ON ACCOUNT OF THEIR RACE.

WHAT A CYNICAL METHOD TO INDUCE COLLECTIVE AMNESIA REGARDING HISTORY AND SIMULTANEOUSLY NURTURE IGNORANCE.

LET'S FACE IT.

ILLITERACY THREATENS THE REGRESSIVE RIGHT.

>> I'M JEALOUS I WAS NOT SCHEDULED TO BE ON THE PROGRAM TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN THE PANEL DISCUSSED BIDEN'S INDUSTRIAL POLICY.

I WOULD HAVE POINTED OUT THE TAIWAN SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING COMPANY ESTIMATES ITS IERS PLANT WILL COST MORE THAN ITS EQUIVALENT IN TAIWAN FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AND BIDEN'S CHIP ACT IS AN EXPENSIVE EXERCISE OF FUTILITY.

IF YOU ARE ON THE LEFT, YOU CALL IT CORPORATE WELFARE AND IT'S AN F. >> MY F GOES TO WIDESPREAD CHILD LABOR IN POULTRY PLANTS.

MIGRANT CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE DOING DANGEROUS JOBS WORKING NIGHTS WHILE CHICKEN COMPANIES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT LOOK THE OTHER WAY.

>> OKAY, AS, NINA.

>> ALSO THINKING ABOUT CHILDREN.

HERE WHO ARE EXPOSED TO EVEN LOW LEVELS OF LEAD HAVE AN INCREASED RISK OF NEUROLOGICAL AND PHYSICAL PROBLEMS.

NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL LA TISCHIA JAMES, RYAN McMAHON AND SYRACUSE MAYOR BEN WALSH ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO PENALIZE LANDLORDS WITH HUNDREDS OF LEAD SAFETY VIOLATIONS.

THIS COOPERATION IS A GOOD THING ALL AROUND.

>> MY A GOES TO ACCESS CNY FOR DEVELOPING A CHILDREN'S FACILITY FOR YIRN AND YOUNG ADULTS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES.

A PARENT WITH DUAL DIAGNOSIS CALLED AL STIRPE.

HE WENT TO HIS BOSS, CARL HEASTIE WHO PUT $2.5 MILLION OF FUNDING TO START WORKING ON THE STEP DOWN CARE UNIT WHICH WILL CATER TOWARDS CHILDREN WITH DUAL DIAGNOSIS AND THERE ARE NOW RENDERINGS OF A 10-BED CENTER THAT WILL HAPPEN.

KUDOS TO THIS VENL-- TO THIS VENTURE.

>> MY A GOES TO KRISTIN WILKER.

IT WAS QUOTE MY DECISION TO PUSH LIES ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD.

THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT ADMISSION AND IT DOESN'T HELP-- IT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH HER SUPERB INTERVIEWING SKILLS.

>> MY F GOES TO 10 NEW NEW YORK LAWS REGARDING VOTING THAT MAKE IT EASIER TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND EASIER TO VOTE IN THE STATE.

>> OKAY.

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