- The lamp presents Team beat.

And now here is your Teen beat host, George Yoakum.

Holy Smoke.

- Thank you.

Hi everybody, and welcome again to the Lamp.

Got another wild show going on today.

Before we started the show, we gave out medals for personality characteristics in the show today.

And one young lady over here in the corner got a beauty, didn't you?

What's your name?

Pam Curran.

Okay, Pam.

Now Pam received this medal right here for being, whoops.

I'm pulling off the table clock.

Hang on.

Okay.

Pam received this for being the most forward girl in the audience today, actually, right, Pam?

- Mm, I don't - Think so.

You want to, huh?

Actually, what this is, is, I don't wanna put this in front of me.

What this is is a medal that you would get in the Army for Valor service or the Air Force or any of the armed forces.

And today we're gonna have on our program two people who won medals in Vietnam.

And we're gonna find out a little bit more about them and what they're like coming up right here on Team Beat Today.

Let's get to music on Teen Beats, Sam and Dave.

And this is Soul man.

Let's move it up.

- A got and so Soul, that's what I got the hard way, and I'll make it better.

Eat everything so honey, don't, gosh, you ain't seen nothing yet.

I'm a soul man.

I'm a soul man.

I'm a soul.

I'm a soul man.

Side educated.

I I And I soul you.

Soul.

Soul.

- Okay, that's soul man.

Sam and David.

That's a while son.

Okey dokie.

I've got a couple right here.

Why don't you step over?

I'm gonna talk to both of you.

Okay.

What's your name?

John Shot.

John Sue Harrison.

Hi Sue.

Listen, how much do you know about Vietnam?

Do you know what a distinguished flying cross is?

I have a vague idea.

Do you?

Do you have an idea?

- Not really.

- Well listen, we're gonna find out in just a second.

We have a fellow on the show this afternoon who won two Distinguished Flying Crosses in Vietnam, among other medals that he won as a pilot.

Would you welcome to Teen Beat, please?

Lieutenant Murray Crawford Murray.

Oh boy.

Do you think you're any different than most people?

- No.

Just a bit more fortunate I think.

- How do you mean that?

- Well, I've had a good education, which a lot of people do not have the opportunity to get.

And I've been in service for about three and a half years now, and I've seen a lot of the world and I'm back in the United States again, which I'm very happy for.

- What does courage mean to you?

- Courage.

Courage is a personal characteristic, which hard to define.

It's in each person, whether they know it or not.

It comes out at different parts of their life.

It might be in their early teens, it might be in their middle teens, might be in their old age.

They don't know when it's gonna show, but they have it there.

It's in every person.

- Do you think you have courage, more courage than most people?

- I think I'm an average person myself, but some of the people think I have more courage than others because I've been over to Vietnam and back again.

But I think I'm an average person.

Everyone can have as much courage as I have had or have shown.

- Now, when you were in Vietnam, you won two distinguished flying crosses, right?

And a number of of air metals.

That's correct.

Right now, what exactly is a flying cross and what does it signify?

Why is it given - A distinguished Flying cross is given for a particular deed in participation of aerial flight, in aerial combat against a common enemy.

It's for a particular, should I say a particular instance where you show extreme valor or bravery in getting to that particular target and returning safely.

Again, it's not just an ordinary everyday mission for the Air Force.

- Now, what did you do to receive the flying crosses?

- Well, for one of them I received for going in on a night mission against the enemy in North Vietnam with no navigational aids except just a little computer, which I carried on board with no light at all in pinpointing the target and getting in it and getting it back out again.

And we completely destroyed our target.

- Now you received two, what was the other one for?

- The other one was for a truck convoy, which we spot to bring supplies into South Vietnam, which we hit and destroyed most of the trucks and stopped their route of travel south where they had to turn back north again.

'cause the road was cut so badly.

- Had you ever in your life before done anything you know that you would say was heroic or courageous or above and beyond that you can think of?

Or was this the first time that, that this kind of thing happened to you?

This was the - First time this happened because I was thrown into a situation, into a middle of a war having never experienced before myself.

It was something new, something different.

You don't realize what you're into until you're in the midst of it and then everything comes out as a natural course.

- Does anybody have any questions they want to ask Murray about either of the flying crosses?

Okay, anybody?

Yeah, you have some questions, don't you?

Okay, well listen, we're gonna tell you a little bit about what Murray did over there.

We have some pictures, don't we?

Right to show the kind of plane that you flew and we're gonna talk a little bit about the plane.

Okay?

And if anybody has any questions, feel free to ask us.

All right now what's, we have a first slide.

The first, what is this?

The first - Slide shows a general landscape of the terrain where I was stationed.

I was stationed at Danang Airbase in Republic of Vietnam.

This is about a hundred miles below the demilitarized zone.

You can see from the slide, it's a lot of water around that area.

Lot of low lying farm areas.

The next picture shows a F four C Phantom two jet fighter.

It's capable of speeds in excess of Mach two, which is twice the speed of sound.

There you show a F four C on the ramp being pre-flight by the aircraft commander.

- Did you fly this guy in Murray?

- Yes, this was my plane that day.

This is a shot of F four Cs in flight refueling from a KC 1 35 tanker.

It takes onboard almost 21,000 pounds of fuel.

It can stay up for over three hours with just one refueling.

This shows a dawn refueling.

We take on fuel anytime, day or night, 24 hours a day.

And this one here is right at the break of dawn.

In this particular picture, we had jettison or external drop tanks, which carried extra fuel and we just show missiles on the plane.

Now flying at about 30,000 feet.

- What kind of a life did you lead over there?

What kind of living conditions and what did you do when you weren't say flying missions?

- Well, I mostly listened to my stereo tape recorder, which I had brought in Japan.

One of the fellows went there on r and r, rest and relaxation and came back and brought it for me.

And then I ordered tapes from the states and listened to 'em while I was writing letters home, et cetera.

It kind of took away the dullness in my off-duty time.

- What living environment did you have?

What'd you live in?

- We lived in a two-story concrete building that had no air conditioning, had some fans in, but it was run on the, their 50 cycle electricity over in Southeast Asia.

Fans run slower, but it keeps the air circulating, but it was very humid most of the time.

It was about 90 to a hundred degrees with temperatures and humidities ranging that high for about five to six months out of the year.

So it was very, very humid and you had to cool off the best way you could.

- How long were you there?

- I was there six months - Now.

How come six months?

Isn't the tour of duty longer than that?

- Usually the tour of duty for any pilot is one year in Vietnam or a hundred missions over North Vietnam, which I had accomplished prior to the one year period.

- Okay.

Does anybody have any questions?

Now they want to ask Murray now.

I know you all have something, don't you?

Who's gonna speak up?

- Nobody.

- Okay.

Well, Murray, if they don't wanna ask you any questions, I want ask you some questions.

Are you gonna plan to go back to Vietnam or do you know?

- It depends upon the needs of the Air Force.

The time right now.

I'm back from my state side too.

I should be here about two years.

- How long have you been in the Air - Force?

I've been in almost three and a half years.

- You gonna make a career out of it?

I - Haven't decided thoroughly yet, but I think I'm going to.

- Yeah, you've gotta be careful because once we get it on tape, they can watch it and then they have you kinda committed.

That's right.

Murray, listen, I want to thank you for coming down and I just wish there I, I don't, I don't wish.

I guess we can say that.

We can just hope there are more people in the world like you who will go over there and take their tour of duty and come back and be as satisfied with it as you are and work as hard for it and do some of the things for a fellow man that you did.

Murray, thank you very much for being on a program today.

Quite welcome.

Thank you.

Let's get back to music on Team Beat.

This is expressway to your Heart, one of two in a row.

- I've been trying to get to you for a long time because constant been on my mind.

I was thinking about the shortcut I could take, but it seems like I made a mistake but I was wrong.

- Who took too long?

I got caught in.

The fellas started to you Affection now you won't look in - Direction.

Much too crowd, too Crowd in front me.

I thought that I could road ahead but I I wrong.

- I got in - Much too crowded.

- That's expressway to your heart.

- Okay, - Done by the Soul Survivors Got two in a row on Team Beat.

Our second record is done by The Supremes.

This is an old one.

Remember?

You keep me hanging on.

Yes I do.

Okay, hang on to it.

Let's go.

- Don't you Just me hanging.

You don't really me, but you hanging up.

You my heart.

Why don't my life and new way you don't, don't, don't, just don't want you just keep hanging up.

You say I broke up.

You still friends, but friends seeing you won.

Breaks my heart again - And ain't nothing I can do about it.

- Claim you freedom.

You don't, why don't you be, you don't - You keep me hanging on.

Those are the Supremes little old action gals.

I'm talk to a couple of gals for a minute.

You ever thought about, well let's see, okay, Mike ler, we're doing fine.

Got two gals in her own are pretty, have you ever thought about going in the service?

I talked to you the forward one.

Aren't you see that forward?

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, she's not.

Have you ever thought about going into service?

No.

Do you think Well it's, it's you know, pretty common.

Do you think you ever would or could go and serve your country as a woman?

Do you think you know, it's your responsibility to do so?

- Oh, I thought about it.

Maybe in the nursing corps or something like that, but I don't wanna be a nurse.

So - You don't wanna be a nurse?

No.

Okay.

Well we've got a nurse on the program today.

Have you ever thought about going in the service?

- Maybe once or twice.

But I changed my mind.

You - Did.

Well we're gonna find out a little bit about what it's like to be in the service as a nurse.

Would you welcome please to Team Beat Major?

This is right.

Major Eleanor Ock.

Hello, major.

Should I say sir?

No, I better say ma'am.

I, oh, this is great.

I haven't, I don't think I've met any women that have been in Vietnam.

And you were with the air evacuation nurses, right?

And you were stationed in Japan and you flew to Vietnam on your missions.

What made you decide to go in the service?

- Oh my goodness.

All my life.

I wanted to be a nurse.

And many years ago I decided that I would like to go into the service and I chose the Air force, which I haven't been sorry for, - Since.

Okay, then I'll ask you why you chose the Air Force out of say, you know, being a, now the army is wax wax, right?

And the navy is waves.

And you are WAFs, is that what it is?

- No, we're called nurses.

- Nurses blow it.

Okay.

Well why did you choose the Air Force as you know, a career nurse?

- Oh dear.

- Were there benefits?

- Oh yes.

Well all girls, most all the girls join the service for one of the reasons are the opportunity to travel all over the world.

And this is quite attractive for one reason.

And then of course you have your profession of nursing to start with and being a nurse is something I believe that's, you have it from the time you've always wanted to be a nurse.

- Now Major Hoach won in Vietnam.

One of the first women nurses to do this.

She won an air medal.

What exactly is the air medal and why did you receive this?

- I was with an AirVac group that flew into Vietnam and there have always been Air Force nurses and there have always been Air Force flight nurses, but our group was the first ones to go into that area.

- What happened when you were in there?

What was a typical run, you know, from Japan into Vietnam?

What would happen on it and how long would it take?

- Well, many times we would go for, we would start in in Awa or Tokyo area and fly to Okinawa and from Okinawa into the Philippines.

And then we would stage out of the Philippine Islands into Vietnam.

And we wouldn't know until the day before our mission exactly what area we would go into.

But we flew into many of the bases there and the day of the flight they would tell us how many patients we were going to pick up and the type of casualties it would be.

And with us, with the nurses, most of the time there would just be one nurse, sometimes two.

And we would have a medical technician and we would care for the patients when we would bring them out.

- What kind of a plane did you fly in?

You weren't in helicopters, were you?

- No, they bring the wounded out and the helicopters right from the battle area to a medical facility.

And then we picked them up.

They were carried to the air or Oh my, they were carried down to the flight line by ambulances on several occasions.

We did have to wait until they brought us the patients in helicopters and we would wait until they would bring them there and then we would load them on the aircraft.

And we flew the C one 30, which is a cargo type aircraft.

And we flew C one eighteens.

These are all propeller type - Aircraft, but they're, they're the big kind of transport planes.

- Yes, they are called transport airplanes.

- But did you ever, in going in or out of Vietnam, were you fired upon?

You know, were there any fighters that came around to try to shoot you down?

Were you ever in danger?

Yeah, - Well the danger was always there and yes, we were fired upon, but it was, the weather was so that we couldn't see anything.

- Were you scared ever?

- No, we were always too busy.

Really?

You were too busy.

You never thought about yourself?

I never did because once we got the boys aboard, while you began taking care of them, many times we would take care of them underneath the wings of the airplane before we ever carried them aboard the aircraft.

And you began giving nursing care at that time and then you just carried on until you got them back to the, the hospital or the facility where you were carrying them to.

- I don't imagine you let your emotions play too much a part of this because I imagine some of this work is pretty sad, isn't it?

- Yes, it's very sad, but it's very gratifying because I always call these men, boys, but to me they were, they were all men really and truly they were, even though they were terribly young, many of 'em just 18, 19 years old.

But you, you think of them, you're thinking of them and not yourself and you try to do as much for them as you can because they deserve every bit of it and more than you can give them really, they're really great kids.

- I'm gonna ask you the same question that I asked Murray a little while ago.

What does courage mean to you?

- I don't believe that I can define the word courage, but I think it's a, a basic trait that has always been part of your personality.

And I think it's very difficult to define the word courage.

And maybe at times we do things that you would look at and say it's courageous.

But to you or to me, it would've been just something that was always there and it was just part of my makeup and I would have done it that way regardless if it were at home or in Vietnam.

- Do you think it took courage to do what you did or do you feel this was just part of the everyday job?

- No, I don't believe, I don't think courage was entered into it.

I felt that I was doing so little for these men because they were doing so much and I wanted to do more, but at the time, this is the best that we could do for them.

- I wanna ask our students and see if we have anybody who has any questions now, does anybody have any questions?

Yes, come on.

Step over here.

- Did you have to volun, did you volunteer to go over in Vietnam or were you just, did you have a choice as to where you were sent?

- Well, I volunteered to fly and once we were in the area, in the Japan area, why?

This was part of our job.

- So you you didn't, you couldn't just say, if you were in the state say, I'd like to go and and serve in Vietnam.

- Oh yes, yes.

This is, you can do this.

You don't always have the opportunity, but you can volunteer for this area.

- Okay, thank you.

- Thank you.

Major Ock.

We want to thank you very much for coming down you and Lieutenant Crawford and telling us about Vietnam and I suppose that if it's possible you can help out.

Anybody has any questions, especially the girls about getting into this kind of work as an Happy Air Force nurse, be happy.

Okay?

Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.

Let's get back to music.

I dunno what we're gonna play.

Why're gonna play Scott McKenzie.

This is a brand new sign for him, like an old time movie.

Follow up to San Francisco Flowers in your hair - Every time I see you, it's just because you, you don't you think that I can tell when you got to go.

It be when you try to read my, you'll find, I tell when you it be misunderstood when you try.

Read mind this time you - Scott McKenzie.

And that's called like an old time movie.

That's gonna do it in the lamp today.

Thank you all for being here and thank you all, most of all for watching.

We'll see you same time next week, George.