>> Bonnie Erbe: THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY, A FEDERAL JUDGE TEMPORARILY BLOCKED THE NEAR TOTAL BAN ON ABORTION IN TEXAS, THEN COMPANY OVER COUNTRY, FACEBOOK'S PUBLIC RELATIONS DEBACLE AND HOW IT IMPACTS GIRLS, THEN, MORE SINGLE AMERICAN ADULTS DON'T LIVE WITH A PARTNER OR SPOUSE AND MORE ADULT MALES THAN FEMALES STILL LIVE WITH THEIR PARENTS.

THE LAW OFFERED FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR PRIVATE CITIZENS TO REPORT PEOPLE SEEKING OR PERFORMING ABORTIONS.

BYTEDANCE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ARGUED THE LAW WAS IN OPEN DEFIANCE OF THE CONSTITUTION.

JOINING ME TODAY ARE HOST OF LOCAL AF AND COHOST OF DEMOCRACYISH PODCASTS, DANIELLE MOODIE-MILLS, REPUBLICAN COMMENTATOR AND STONE, REPROACTION'S ERIN MATSON AND TIANA LOWE,, TERRIE RIZZO FOR THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER.

SO, ERIN MATSON, IS THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL?

WILL THE CONSERVATIVE PANEL OF SOUTHERN JUDGES TO WHOM THIS WILL GO ON APPEAL AGREE WITH THIS SINGLE LOWER COURT JUDGE THAT IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION?

>> Erin Matson: WELL, TEXAS'S CRUEL SIX WEEK ABORTION BAN IS CLEARLY AND BLATANTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND THAT IS WHY THE AGREED-UPON.

WHAT THE NEXT STEP WILL BE IN THE COURTS IS ANYBODY'S BEST GUESS.

>> Bonnie Erbe: WHY DO YOU THINK THERE WAS A CHANCE THAT THEY WILL UPHOLD IT?

OF COURSE, THE PANEL HAS NOT BEEN COLLECTED YET, BUT MOST OF THE JUDGES ON THE SECOND CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS ARE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE.

>> Erin Matson: SO WE KNOW THAT THE FEDERAL COURTS HAVE BEEN STACKED PARTICULARLY BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO PRODUCE THE TYPES OF RESULTS WHERE WE SAW THE SUPREME COURT ALLOWING THIS BLATANTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW TO GO INTO EFFECT FOR MORE THAN A MONTH.

SO I THINK THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THIS CASE WILL ULTIMATELY GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT.

>> Bonnie Erbe: DANIELLE, AND WELCOME BACK, WE HAVE NOT SEEN YOU IN A WHILE, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

DO YOU THINK AS IS THE ONLY WIDELY REPORTEDLY IN THE MEDIA THAT THIS IS A WIN FOR APPROACH ICE AT THE VESTS, THAT ABORTION STILL NOT BE AVAILABLE IN TEXAS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF GETTING SUED BY SOMEONE WHOM THEY DON'T KNOW WHO SUES THEM FOR THEY THINK HELPING THIS PERSON TO GET ANOTHER PERSON TO GET AN ABORTION?

>> Danielle Moodie: YEAH.

THANKS SO MUCH, BONNIE.

GOOD TO BE BACK.

ONE, I DON'T THINK THAT -- I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A WIN, RIGHT?

I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO END UP AT THE SUPREME COURT.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT ON DECEMBER 1, THEY ARE ALREADY HEARING THE 15 WEEK ABORTION BAN OUT OF MISSISSIPPI.

SO THIS IS WHAT MITCH McCONNELL AND DONALD TRUMP HAD WANTED AND HAD SET UP WHEN THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO APPOINT OVER 300 FEDERAL JUDGES TO THE BENCH.

IT WAS TO GET RID OF HER V WADE, AMONG OTHER THINGS.

SO I DON'T CONSIDER THIS SO MUCH OF A WIN AS IT IS A PAUSE RIGHT NOW ON WHAT ERIN SAID, WHICH IS A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

>> Bonnie Erbe: TIANA, YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> Tiana Lowe: SO IN CONSERVATIVE CIRCLES, THIS LAW WAS ALWAYS CONTROVERSIAL SIMPLY BECAUSE, ONE, IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THIS WOULD BE STRUCK DOWN THE MINUTE YOU HAD A PLAINTIFF WITH ACTUAL STANDING WHICH COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF THE LAW WENT INTO EFFECT, WHICH IS NOW THE CASE.

AS DANIELLE POINTED OUT, THE REAL THING WE ARE WAITING FOR IS DOG!

YOU CANNOT GET ANY PRE-VIABILITY BAN UNTIL THE COURT DECIDES ON DOGS.

FURTHERMORE, CHOOSING A SIX WEEK MARK IS UNFORTUNATELY, AND THEY SAY THIS A PRO-LIFE UNFORTUNATELY OUT OF STEP WITH PUBLIC OPINION, 15 WEEK BAN IS NOT -- SEVEN IN 10 AMERICANS SUPPORT CRIMINALIZING ABORTION IN THE SECOND TRIMESTER AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE GLOBAL OUTLIER IN THE WESTERN WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO US ALLOWING ABORTIONS POST 20 WEEKS.O OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE DOES THAT CAUSE MOST OF EUROPE.

IT IS 12 WEEKS, THE FIRST TRIMESTER LEGALIZATION AND THEN IT'S DONE -- >> Bonnie Erbe: ANN, YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> Ann Stone: WELCOME AS A PRO-CHOICE REPUBLICAN, HAD TO TELL YOU I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS LAW WAS WACKY.

AND EVEN MANY OF MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE IN THE PARTY SAW IT AS A REAL PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THIS CLEVER BY HALF THING OF THE VIGILANTE JUSTICE.

THEY SAW THAT THAT COULD LEAD TO REALLY BAD THINGS FOR OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY CARE ABOUT.

SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AGAINST THIS, EVEN THOSE WHO AGREED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ABORTION OVERTURNED.

THE LAW IS GOING NOWHERE.

IT'S GONE.

>> Bonnie Erbe: ALL RIGHT.

WELL, DO YOU THINK THAT -- YOU WERE OUT AT A PROTEST THIS WEEK, ERIN.

YOU ARE ARRESTED.

OUR YOUNG WOMEN MOBILIZING TO VOTE?

THE POLLS SHOW YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DISAFFECTED, WON'T BE VOTING IN THE SELECTION IN MY HOME STATE OF VIRGINIA AND IN ONE OTHER STATE, TRUMP SURROGATES ARE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AND COULD TAKE OVER WITH THE PLAN TO BAN ABORTION IN THESTATE'S.

>> Erin Matson: YES.

I WAS ONE OF 12 ABORTION-RIGHTS SUPPORTERS OF ARRESTED OUTSIDE THE SUPREME COURT ON MONDAY MORNING, THE FIRST DAY OF THE NEW TERM IN SUPPORT OF ABORTION-RIGHTS.

AND I WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH A MULTI GENERATIONAL GROUP, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO WHAT YOU'VE ASKED.

I'VE LOOKED AT THE POLLS, AND I'M SEEING THAT YOUNG WOMEN IN PARTICULAR, ARE FIRED UP ABOUT ABORTION, IT IS THEIR TOP ISSUE FOR YOUNG WOMEN VOTERS.

>> Bonnie Erbe: SO DO YOU AGREE, DANIELLE, THAT YOUNG WOMEN ARE MOTIVATED, THE TRUMP SURROGATES IS GETTING PRETTY FAR AHEAD OF THE FORMER DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR WHO USED TO BE REALLY POPULAR IN THE RACE THIS -- HERE IN VIRGINIA FOR GOVERNOR, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT AND PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE NOT MOTIVATED TO GET OUT THERE.

WHY IS THAT?

>> Danielle Moodie: I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE ARE COUPLE OF THINGS: RIGHT NOW, OUR CONGRESS HAS SHOWN THEMSELVES TO BE COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL, RIGHT?

LIKE WE JUST HAD A HISTORIC ELECTION IN 2020 WERE PEOPLE OF COLOR AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE THE REASON WHY JOE BIDEN IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

AND SO, HERE WE ARE AT A PARTICULAR TIME WHEN WE ARE SEEING OUR INVESTMENT AND WE ARE WONDERING WHERE IT'S GOING.

WE ARE STILL WAITING ON AN INFRASTRUCTURE OR BILL.

AND IN, WE HAVE HAD THE COVID VACCINE ROLLOUT.

IT HAS HIT A WALL.

AND SO, I THINK THAT ENTHUSIASM RIGHT NOW IS LIKE, WHY AM I PUTTING MYSELF OUT THERE?

YES, I AGREE WITH ERIN -- >> Bonnie Erbe: PUTTING MYSELF OUT THERE -- >> PUTTING MYSELF OUT THERE TO VOTE.

>> Bonnie Erbe: IT IS A VOTE AND PEOPLE ARE NOT CONSIDERING WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES IF THEY DON'T GET OUT THERE AND VOTE?

>> Erin Matson: I THINK THEY ARE CONSIDERING THE ALTERNATIVE, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT BEING FACED WITH THINGS THAT ARE SHOWING THEM THAT THEIR VOTE ACTUALLY MATTERS.

THEY ARE NOT BEING FACED WITH CONGRESS THAT'S WILLING TO WORK FOR THEM AND WORK ON ISSUES THAT AFFECT THEIR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES.

WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A CAGE MATCH EVERYTHING THE DAY ON CAPITOL HILL.

AND SO, I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT IS TURNING IN PEOPLE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR OFF.

IT'S JUST LIKE, DOES MY FOOT ACTUALLY MATTER?

WILL CONGRESS GET THINGS DONE?

I DO THINK THAT THESE ISSUES ARE MOTIVATING, RIGHT, BUT LIKE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE CLOCK TO BE TURNED BACK IN ORDER FOR MOTIVATION TO SET IN AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

>> Bonnie Erbe: OKAY.

TIANA, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

ARE YOU GOING TO GO AND VOTE ON THESE ISSUES OR -- >> Tiana Lowe: LOOK, I MEAN, CONTRACEPTION HAS NEVER BEEN CHEAPER THANKS TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND AVAILABLE THANKS TO A LOT OF STATE REGULATION.

MIND YOU, JOE BIDEN COULD AUTHORIZE THE -- ASKED THE FDA TOMORROW TO MAKE CONTRACEPTION OVER-THE-COUNTER FEDERALLY, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

I THINK THE FACT IS WE ARE MISSING THE FOREST FROM THE TREES HERE.

INFLATION IS UP OVER 5 PERCENT YEAR ON YEAR, CAST THE HIGHEST PRICE SINCE 2014.

YOUR GROCERY BILL IS BIGGER IN YOUR PAYCHECK IS EFFECTIVELY SMALLER.

THOSE ARE THE BREAD-AND-BUTTER ISSUES THAT MOTIVATE VOTERS, AND THEN ALSO NOT SPECIFIC TO VIRGINIA, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT BIDEN'S SUPPORT AMONG LATINOS ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER, YOU KNOW, THE BORDER, BIDEN'S BORDER CRISIS SURGE, IT DOES NOT AFFECT WHITE LIBERALS OUT IN ARLINGTON, IT AFFECTS LATINOS IN LAREDO AND McALLEN, AND THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SEEING BITING DOWN IN THE DOUBLE DIGITS, BECAUSE -- IN THOSE AREAS AMONG HISPANICS.

SO, NO, THE FACT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON THE BREAD-AND-BUTTER ISSUES AND THEY ARE NOT GOING WELL FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN.

>> Bonnie Erbe: OKAY.

FROM ABORTION BATTLES TO TROUBLES WITH SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE ALL KNOW MESSAGES AND IMAGES INC. AT GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA CAN PRODUCE LOW SELF-ESTEEM, EVEN SUICIDAL IDEATION'S.

BUT AT A SENATE HEARING THIS WEEK, A FACEBOOK/INSTAGRAM WHISTLEBLOWER MADE NEWS, SHARING INTERNAL COMPANY DOCUMENTS THAT ALERTED COMPANY EXECUTIVES TO JUST HOW HARMFUL THEIR PLATFORMS, ESPECIALLY INSTAGRAM, ARE TWO GIRLS' MENTAL HEALTH AND TO A UNITED DEMOCRACY.

YET, WELL WHISTLEBLOWER FRANCIS HOCKING EXPLAINED FACEBOOK EXECUTIVES CONTINUE TO USE TACTICS AND ALGORITHMS ALLOWING MISINFORMATION AND HARMFUL PICTURES TO EXPLOIT PEOPLE'S FEARS AND CAUSE OUTRAGE.

JUST TO STIMULATE USE OF THE PLATFORM.

>> I CAME FORWARD AT GREAT PERSONAL RISK, BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE TIME TO ACT.

BUT WE MUST ACT NOW.

I AM ASKING YOU, OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, TO ACT.> Bonnie Erbe: MARK ZUCKERBERG, FACEBOOK CEO, SAYS HIS COMPANY DID NOT DELIBERATELY PUSH CONTENT TO MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY OR DEPRESSED.

BUT SENATE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE SKEPTICAL AND SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT PROFITS, NO MATTER WHAT HARM IT DOES TO PEOPLE AND DEMOCRACY.

SENATOR AMY KLOBUCHAR TOLD US ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

>> Tiana Lowe: SEVEN WE HAVE PASSED NO PRIVACY LEGISLATION IS CONGRESS, AND WE'VE NOT DONE ANYTHING YET ON CONSOLIDATION.

WHEN YOU HAVE ONE DOMINANT PLATFORM, YOU SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED WHEN THIS KIND OF STUFF HAPPENED, BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY HAVE NO INCENTIVE BUT PROFITS.

AND THOSE PROFITS HAVE DICTATED GETTING YOUNG KID HOOKED ON THEIR PRODUCT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULT.

SO THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT HEARING TODAY.

>> WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT?

>> Amy Klobuchar: PASS PRIVACY LEGISLATION MAKE THE ALGORITHMS MORE TRANSPARENT.

>> Bonnie Erbe: ALL RIGHT.

DANIELLE, YOUR THOUGHTS.S FACEBOOK PURPOSEFULLY DAMAGING GIRLS, AND, QUITE FRANKLY, UNIFIED DEMOCRACY?

>> Danielle Moodie: YES, I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT FRANCIS 'S TESTIMONY SHOWS US, AND THAT IS WHAT THE AMPLE AMOUNT OF REPORTING THAT CAME OUT OF FACEBOOK'S OWN RESEARCH.

AND THE REALITY IS IS THAT THEY CHANGED AN ALGORITHM AFTER 2016 FOR THE 2020 ELECTION AND THEN AFTER THE ELECTION SHIFTED THE ALGORITHM BACK SO THAT THEY COULD MAKE MORE MONEY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO SEE.

MARK ZUCKERBERG IS GOING TO DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO BUILD A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WEALTH FOR HIMSELF AND FOR HIS SHAREHOLDERS.

HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR DEMOCRACY, BECAUSE IT IS PROFITABLE FOR HIM, AND THAT'S THE REALITY.

AND CONGRESS NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REGULATE.

>> Bonnie Erbe: YEAH.

I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I WAS -- FOUND OUT HE IS TO CLOSE COMPANY MEETINGS BY DOING A FIST BUMP AND SAYING COMPANY OVER COUNTRY.

AND I THINK THAT'S A DISEASE THAT IS UNFORTUNATELY AFFECTING THE ONLY POLITICS, CLEARLY POLITICS, BUT ALSO HOW CORPORATIONS WORK IN THIS COUNTRY.

DOES ANYBODY THINK FACEBOOK IS TOO BIG AND CONGRESS SHOULD GET IN THERE AND -- LIKE AT&T 30 YEARS AGO, BREAK IT UP?

>> Ann Stone: I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE GOING.

AND THERE'S SOME RADICAL CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN SECTION 230, BUT TO 30 ITSELF NEEDS TO STAY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE INTERNET WOULD CEASE TO EXIST IF THERE WAS TOO MUCH LIABILITY.

BUT CLEARLY FACEBOOK IS BROKEN, AND IT'S NOT JUST ON THIS ISSUE.

AND IN, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT.

WHEN THE TALIBAN CONTINUES TO HAVE PLATFORM ON FACEBOOK AND THE EX-PRESIDENT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

THERE'S JUST ALL KINDS OF THINGS YOU CAN POINT TO COME UP WITH THE STUFF WITH THE WOMEN AND GIRLS IS SO INCREDIBLY TROUBLING BEYOND MEASURE.

THIS MAY BE THE MOTIVATOR.

>> Bonnie Erbe: TELL US WHAT EXACTLY IS IT, BECAUSE I'M ON FACEBOOK -- I GET ADS FOR ALL KINDS OF CLOTHES THAT I COULD NOT FIT INTO AND HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO IN 20 YEARS.

THAT SORT OF THING.

SO PERFECT BODIES OR IS THERE PORNOGRAPHY?

>> Ann Stone: THEY ARE ENCOURAGING PUSHING MESSAGES THAT ARE HARMFUL BUT ALSO COME A YOU KNOW COME A THEY HAVE NOT FOUND A WAY TO REALLY PREVENT THE BULLYING THAT GOES ON, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

THEY CAN EPICENTER WITH PARENTS COULD IMMEDIATELY REPORT PEOPLE WHO ARE BULLYING THEIR CHILDREN OR THERE COULD BE TIME LIMITS AS DOING CHILDREN CAN BE ON IN, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S SOMETIMES AT NIGHT WHEN THAT'S ALL THEY ARE DOING.

THEY GO IN THERE AND GET VERY DEPRESSED, SEEING THE MESSAGES FROM THE TROLLS THAT ARE GOING AFTER THEM.

THERE'S A LOT MORE OF THAT KIND OF POLICING.

WE SHOULD SPEND MORE TIME ON THAT AND GOING AFTER CONSERVATIVES.

>> Bonnie Erbe: ALL RIGHT NYBODY, SHOULD FACEBOOK BE BROKEN UP?

IS IT TOO BIG?

>> CAN I EMPHATICALLY OPPOSE THIS NOTION?

FOR STARTERS, WE ALREADY SORT OF HAD EVER MET OF WHAT WILL BE THE 2000 -- ADJUSTED AGAINST MICROSOFT, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD HAVE FORCED INTERNET EXPLORER TO BE SEPARATE BUSINESSO ALL YOU DO, IF YOU WERE TO, QUOTE/UNQUOTE, BREAKUP FACEBOOK, IS ALLOW INSTAGRAM AND WAS AFTER THE ITS OWN SEPARATE COMPANIES, WHICH STILL DOESN'T SOLVE ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE REALLY CARE ABOUT.

QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS A MORAL PANIC.

IS ONLY BEHOLDEN TO HIS SHAREHOLDERS.

I SORT OF OBJECT TO THE IDEA OF EVEN CALLING THIS WOMAN A WHISTLEBLOWER BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T EXPOSE THAT ZUCKERBERG IS EITHER BREAKING THE LAW OR MISLEADING THE SHAREHOLDERS.

THAT'S WHAT A WHISTLEBLOWER HAS TO DO.

THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT'S ACTIONABLE UNDER THE SEC, OR UNDER WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTIONS, THE REAL ISSUES THIS IS LIKE ALL MORAL PANICS COME A WHERE IT'S ABOUT BAD PARENTING IN THE SAME WAY.

THAT WAS THE PORN PANIC OF THE 90S.

THE VIDEO GAME PANIC.

THIS IS MORE OF THE SAME.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, I WASN'T ALLOWED TO BE OLDER ON MY PHONE.

I WASN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE AN INSTAGRAM UNTIL I THINK I WAS 15 OR SO.

PARENTS NEED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THIS.

IF YOU'RE LETTING YOUR 13 YEAR OLDS GO ON INSTAGRAM AND A PUBLIC ACCOUNT WHERE THEY ARE THEN MAKING THEMSELVES EXPOSE TO THE ENTIRE WORLD AND THEN DEVELOPING SORT OF A PAVLOVIAN NEED FOR PUBLIC ATTENTION AND PUBLIC LIKES THAT'S ON YOU AND YOUR PARENTING STOP TRYING TO HAVE OUR GERONTOCRACY, ALSO KNOWN AS CONGRESS TRY AND REGULATE SOMETHING THEY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND OR HAVE THE LEGAL GROUNDS TO DO.

>> Bonnie Erbe: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING MARK ZUCKERBERG ONCE MORE THAN PEOPLE TO BE POINTING FINGERS AT FOR PARENTS.

LISTEN, I JUST NEED TO SEE THIS VERY CLEARLY, EMPHATICALLY: I AM A SIDE OF AN ARC SALE.

I WAS IN HOSPITAL THREE TIMES.

I HAVE DONE GROUP THERAPY WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED SOMETHING AS DISGUSTING AS WHAT I CAN FIND ON INSTAGRAM, AND I'M ACTIVELY AVOIDING IT AS SOMEONE IN RECOVERY.

IT IS A TOXIC DUMP, AND THEY KNOW AND NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>> Bonnie Erbe: AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY NEED TO DO ABOUT IT?

HOW SHOULD CONGRESS OR THE FEDERAL COURTS HANDLE THIS?

>> Erin Matson: YEAH.

I MEAN IN, ONE, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE TARGETING OF CHILDREN.

THE FACT THAT FACEBOOK WANTS TO DEVELOP AN INSTAGRAM FOR KIDS, THAT NEEDS TO BE OFF THE TABLE.

THAT'S A HORRIBLE IDEA.

SECOND, WE NEED TO LOOK AT DEMOCRACY AND DISINFORMATION ONLINE AND THE ROLE THAT THEY ARE PLAYING IN THE CHALLENGES TO OUR GOVERNMENT.

AND I JUST WANT TO LINK UP THOSE TWO TOGETHER, BONNIE, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHALLENGING THE SELF-ESTEEM OF WOMEN, WE KNOW THAT WOMEN PLAY REALLY IMPORTANT ROLE IN FIGHTING BACK AGAINST AUTHORITARIANISM, WHICH FACEBOOK HAS BEEN PROMOTING.

>> Bonnie Erbe: HOW AUTHORITARIANISM?

>> Erin Matson: I DO THINK SO, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THERE'S COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD ARE TRYING TO CHALLENGE DEMOCRACY IN THE UNITED STATES USING SOCIAL MEDIA TO DO SO.

THERE'S THE LONG TRAIN OF REPORTING AND WHAT FACEBOOK IS DOING IS BY PROMOTING CONTENT THAT SPARKS OUTRAGE, THE FORMULA, IN FACT, PULLENS THOSE WHO SEEK TO UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRACY.

>> Bonnie Erbe: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND NOW WE GO FROM SOCIAL MEDIA TO RELATIONSHIPS.

IF YOU ARE A SINGLE STRAIGHT WOMAN LOOKING FOR A LIFE PARTNER OR TO GET MARRIED, NO RESEARCH COULD BE BAD NEWS FOR YOU.

ACCORDING TO THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER, 1/3 OF SINGLE ADULT MEN LIVES WITH A PARENT, SINGLE LIVING IS GROWING IN THE , SINGLE LIVING IS GROWING IN THE U.S.

ROUGHLY 4 IN 10 ADULTS ARE UNPARTNERED, THAT IS, NEITHER MARRIED NOR LIVING WITH A PARTNER.

THIS SHARE IS UP SHARPLY FROM 29 PERCENT 30 YEARS AGO.

SINGLE MEN ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE UNEMPLOYED IN A CHILLY UNSTABLE AND LACKING COLLEGE DEGREES THAN THOSE WITH A PARTNER.

THEY ARE ALSO LIKELY TO HAVE LOWER MEDIAN EARNINGS.

SINGLE MEN EARNED LESS IN 2019 THAN IN 1990, EVEN ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION.

AT THE SAME TIME, SINGLE WOMEN EARN THE SAME AS THEY DID 30 YEARS AGO, BUT THOSE WITH PARTNERS HAVE INCREASED THE EARNINGS BY 50 PERCENT.

SO, TIANA LOWE, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

WHY ARE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE SPENDING THEIR LIVES WITHOUT A PARTNER?

>> Tiana Lowe: SO IT'S SORT OF MESSY.

IF I WERE TO ATTRIBUTE IT TO ONE BECAUSE, I WOULD SAY WE LOOK AT COMMUNITIES, THINGS THAT CAN VARY FROM REGION TO REGION, BE IT CHURCH, BE AT COUNTRY CLUB, BE IT, YOU KNOW, THE NETWORK OF PARENTS AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAVE SORT OF COME UNDONE, PART OF THE IS SURE POLITICAL POLARIZATION.

PART OF THAT IS SORT OF FURTHER SUBURBAN SPRAWL, WHICH IS -- HAS AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE.

YOU KNOW, WE REFUSE TO DECENT HOUSING SOME PEOPLE LIVE FURTHER APART.

BUT A LOT OF IT IS ALSO JUST ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT.

BUT ALSO, THOUGH, A LOT OF HELICOPTER PARENTING, WHICH WHILE IT HAPPENS IN VERY LIBERAL AREAS, IS VERY CULTURALLY CONSERVATIVE, LED TO MY GENERATION.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT STATISTICS OF -- AT AGE 16, HAVE YOU EVER HAD A JOB FOR PAY?

HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN A CAR?

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ON A DATE HOSE NUMBERS ARE AT RECORD LOWS, AND THE FACT IS YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE READY FOR MARRIAGE AT 26, IF AT 16 YOU HAVE NOT DONE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

AND THAT IS --> Bonnie Erbe: SO WE ARE BLAMING -- DANIELLE, WE ARE BLAMING HELICOPTER PARENTING FOR THIS.

BUT I DO THINK TIANA RAISES A VERY GOOD POINT, WHICH IS IF YOU HAVE 40 PERCENT OF STRAIGHT SINGLE MEN LIVING AT HOME WITH HER PARENTS, AND ESSENTIALLY FAILING IN LIFE, NOT GETTING EDUCATED, NOT BEING ABLE TO EARN MONEY AND ESPECIALLY COME A YOU KNOW, TARGETED TO THE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS FARE ECONOMICALLY WORSE THAN WHITE PEOPLE, IS THAT EXACERBATING THE LEFT/RIGHT BATTLE THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR NATION RIGHT NOW?

>> Danielle Moodie: YEAH.

I DON'T THINK THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HELICOPTER PARENTING.

I THINK IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH A BROKEN ECONOMY WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T FIND JOBS AND CAN AFFORD TO LIVE ON THEIR OWN.

AND WE HAVE CREATED A SYSTEM FOR HIGHER EDUCATION THAT PUTS PEOPLE IN AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF DEBT AND DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO ACTUALLY FIND JOBS ON THE WAY OUT.

SO THIS IS REALLY AN ECONOMIC PROBLEM AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMICS, PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE GOING TO BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TOTEM POLE, BECAUSE THEY MAKE LESS MONEY COMPARED TO THE DOLLAR THAT THE WHITE MAN MAKES.

SO I MEAN IN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS AND ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS.HIS IS ABOUT THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE ON YOUR OWN.

THIS IS ABOUT THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BUY HOMES, TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO HIGHER EDUCATION AND NOT GO INTO DEBT IN DOING SO.

AND UNTIL WE FIX OUR ECONOMY THAT ONLY WORKS FOR A SELECT FEW, THEN WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS ISSUE CONTINUE TO EXPAND OVER THE COURSE OF TIME BECAUSE YOUNG PEOPLE RIGHT NOW CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE ON THEIR OWN.

>> Bonnie Erbe: I THINK YOU MAKE AN INSIGHTFUL POINT BECAUSE A JOB 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO TO MEETING WITH PAID VACATION AND PAID HEALTHCARE.

AND NOW IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ANYMORE.

I USED TO LOOK AT UNEMPLOYMENT RATES AND SAY THIS IS MASKING WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, WHAT WE USED TO CALL A JOB IS NOW CALLED A GIG, LIKE WORKING AT AMAZON AND RUNNING A TRUCK OR SOMETHING.

THERE WAS NO SECURITY IN THERE AND THOSE JOBS.

I AM NOT POINTING JUST TO AMAZON, BUT ALL OF THOSE DELIVERY JOBS THAT HAVE COME UP, ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID, THAT THEY ARE NOT TREATED LIKE THE FULL-TIME PEOPLE OF SEVERAL DECADES AGO.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?

>> Ann Stone: BONNIE, I GOT TO TELL YOU, I DISAGREE WITH BOTH OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.

IT HAS TO DO MORE WITH THE CULTURE AND THE IMPACT OF THE WAY THE CULTURE HAS GONE IN THE PAST TWO DECADES THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF JOBS OUT THERE.

I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S STORES AND RESTAURANTS AND ALL KINDS OF SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS -- >> Bonnie Erbe: BUT NONE OF THEM PAY ENOUGH TO LIVE ON [CROSS TALK] >> Ann Stone: THAT'S NOT TRUE.

YOU KNOW HOW MUCH A TRUCK DRIVER MAKES?

A TRUCK DRIVER MAKES MORE THAN MOST TEACHERS, POLICEMAN, EVERYBODY.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD PAYING JOBS.

>> Bonnie Erbe: AND THEY HAVE NO PERSONAL LIFE.

[CROSS TALK] >> Ann Stone: THE KIDS ARE STAYING -- BONNIE, THE KIDS ARE STAYING HOME -- >> Bonnie Erbe: LET ME FINISH.

THOSE GUYS, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 18 WHEELERS, YES, THEY MAKE MONEY.

THEY ALSO HAVE HUGE INVESTMENTS IN OUR EQUIPMENT AND THEY ARE ON THE ROAD 24/7.

>> Ann Stone: THAT'S ONLY ONE EXAMPLE.

DON'T FOCUS ON THAT.

THAT IS ONE EXAMPLE.

I'M TELLING YOU, THE JOBS ARE OUT THERE.

AND THE PROBLEM IS THE CULTURE IS SUCH THAT THESE KIDS ARE AFRAID TO DATEHEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, BEING TOLD TOXIC, YOU KNOW, WOMEN ARE BEING TOLD THEY DON'T NEED MET AND THERE'S TOXIC MASCULINITY.

YOU KNOW, STAY AWAY FROM THEM, BE AROUND PERSON, YOU DON'T NEED THEM.

MARRIAGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT TWO THINGS THROUGHOUT HISTORY: THAT IS PROCREATION AND ECONOMICS.

IN MARRIAGE HAS BEEN DENIGRATED AND DOWNGRADED AND DISSIPATED BY THE WAY THE CULTURE HAS GROWN OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DECADES.

I'M SORRY.

THAT'S THE REASON THESE KIDS AREN'T GETTING MARRIED AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE STAYING HOME.

>> Bonnie Erbe: ERIN, YOUR REACTION.

>> Erin Matson: AM HAPPY TO TAKE IT FROM THERE.

THANK YOU, ANN.

AS A WOMAN, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BE MARRIED TO BE HAPPY OR COMPLETE OR FULFILLED.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.

AND IF I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DOWNFALL OF MARRIAGE IN THIS COUNTRY, I WILL TAKE ON THAT BURDEN.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING IS EXACTLY DANIELLE NAILED IT, PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT STUDENT LOANS.

AND NOW THERE ARE THESE REQUIREMENTS.

YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE YOU HAD TO GET A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.

NOW IT'S INCREASINGLY MORE AND MORE HIGHER EDUCATION.

PEOPLE ARE DROWNING IN STUDENT DEBT.

SO I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL.

AND JUST ONE OTHER PIECE.

I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS DISCUSSION -- >> Bonnie Erbe: QUICKLY, PLEASE.

>> SURE.

IS THERE A LOT OF GETTING MARRIED ABOUT WOMEN MARRYING EACH OTHER AND MEN MARRYING EACH OTHER.

IT'S NOT JUST WOMEN MARRYING MEN.

>> Bonnie Erbe: ALL RIGHT, AND WE MENTIONED THAT WE WE SAID THAT THIS IS ABOUT STRAIGHT PEOPLE.

AND THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE LGBT COMMUNITY.

AND WE'RE AWARE OF THAT RESPECT THAT.

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