>>THE BLACK CAUCUS ON HOLCOMB'S DIVERSITY PROGRESS.

DIVERSITY PROGRESS.

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SETTLEMENT PROGRAM.

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>> THIS WEEK, THE HEAD OF THE INDIANA BLACK LEGISLATIVE CAUCUS INDIANA BLACK LEGISLATIVE CAUCUS SAYS GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB IS SAYS GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB IS MOVING AT A SNAIL'S PACE WHEN IT MOVING AT A SNAIL'S PACE WHEN IT COMES TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND COMES TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

INCLUSION.

REPRESENTATIVE ROBIN SHACKLEFORD REPRESENTATIVE ROBIN SHACKLEFORD GIVES HOLCOMB A NEAR-FAILING GIVES HOLCOMB A NEAR-FAILING GRADE FOR HIS PERFORMANCE SO GRADE FOR HIS PERFORMANCE SO FAR.

FAR.

HOLCOMB RECENTLY ANNOUNCED HOLCOMB RECENTLY ANNOUNCED PROGRESS ON HIS DIVERSITY PLAN PROGRESS ON HIS DIVERSITY PLAN FOR STATE GOVERNMENT, A FULL FOR STATE GOVERNMENT, A FULL YEAR AFTER HE PROPOSED IT.

YEAR AFTER HE PROPOSED IT.

HIS CHIEF EQUITY, INCLUSION AND HIS CHIEF EQUITY, INCLUSION AND OPPORTUNITY CABINET OFFICER, WHO OPPORTUNITY CABINET OFFICER, WHO STARTED EARLY IN THE YEAR, IS STARTED EARLY IN THE YEAR, IS STILL WORKING ON STILL WORKING ON RECOMMENDATIONS.

RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THE STATE HAS LAUNCHED A AND THE STATE HAS LAUNCHED A DASHBOARD WITH INEQUITY DATA.

DASHBOARD WITH INEQUITY DATA.

ROBIN SHACKLEFORD SAYS THAT DATA ROBIN SHACKLEFORD SAYS THAT DATA IS ONLY SO USEFUL.

IS ONLY SO USEFUL.

>> FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HARD >> FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HARD TIME INTERPRETING THIS DATA, TIME INTERPRETING THIS DATA, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME NARRATIVES TO GIVE PEOPLE AN NARRATIVES TO GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA OF WHERE THOSE DISPARITIES IDEA OF WHERE THOSE DISPARITIES EXIST.

EXIST.

>> SHACKLEFORD ADDS THAT THE >> SHACKLEFORD ADDS THAT THE DATA ITSELF ISN'T NEW.

DATA ITSELF ISN'T NEW.

AND SHE'S FRUSTRATED THAT AND SHE'S FRUSTRATED THAT HOLCOMB HASN'T GONE FURTHER IN A HOLCOMB HASN'T GONE FURTHER IN A YEAR.

YEAR.

>> HE'S BEEN GIVEN ENOUGH >> HE'S BEEN GIVEN ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT HIS RESPONSE INFORMATION THAT HIS RESPONSE SHOULD'VE BEEN MORE TARGETED.

SHOULD'VE BEEN MORE TARGETED.

HIS RESPONSE SHOULD'VE BEEN MORE HIS RESPONSE SHOULD'VE BEEN MORE ACTION, INSTEAD OF RESEARCH.

ACTION, INSTEAD OF RESEARCH.

>> THERE'S NO TIMELINE ON WHEN >> THERE'S NO TIMELINE ON WHEN THE EQUITY CABINET OFFICER WILL THE EQUITY CABINET OFFICER WILL UNVEIL A STRATEGIC PLAN.

UNVEIL A STRATEGIC PLAN.

IS GOVERNOR HOLCOMB'S PROGRESS IS GOVERNOR HOLCOMB'S PROGRESS ON HIS EQUITY AND INCLUSION PLAN ON HIS EQUITY AND INCLUSION PLAN FAST ENOUGH?

FAST ENOUGH?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY, WFYI LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY, WFYI STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE "FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE."

"FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE."

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON SMITH.

SMITH.

MIKE O'BRIEN, A YEAR IN AND MIKE O'BRIEN, A YEAR IN AND WE'VE GOT A DASHBOARD?

WE'VE GOT A DASHBOARD?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, IF THE GOAL >> YEAH, I MEAN, IF THE GOAL THAT REPRESENTATIVE SHACKLEFORD THAT REPRESENTATIVE SHACKLEFORD JUST TALKED ABOUT AS A GREAT JUST TALKED ABOUT AS A GREAT LEADER OF THAT CAUCUS IS LEADER OF THAT CAUCUS IS TARGETED ACTION, YOU'VE GOT TO TARGETED ACTION, YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TARGETING IT.

KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TARGETING IT.

THERE'S KIND OF TWO THINGS GOING THERE'S KIND OF TWO THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

ON RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING ACADEMY, WHAT THE NEXT CLASS OF ACADEMY, WHAT THE NEXT CLASS OF POLICE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO BE POLICE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO BE TRAINED, THOSE METHODS, THOSE TRAINED, THOSE METHODS, THOSE STRATEGIES, ON ONE HAND, THEY'RE STRATEGIES, ON ONE HAND, THEY'RE REVIEWING THAT, THAT WILL BE REVIEWING THAT, THAT WILL BE RELEASED BY THE END OF THE MONTH RELEASED BY THE END OF THE MONTH WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO CHANGE THAT CURRICULUM.

TO CHANGE THAT CURRICULUM.

SO THAT SYSTEMIC RACISM IS SO THAT SYSTEMIC RACISM IS BETTER IDENTIFIED, SO STRATEGIES BETTER IDENTIFIED, SO STRATEGIES ARE PUT IN PLACE TO AVOID THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE TO AVOID THAT IN THE FUTURE.

IN THE FUTURE.

THE SECOND THING THAT'S THE SECOND THING THAT'S HAPPENING IS THE DASHBOARD.

HAPPENING IS THE DASHBOARD.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO ON ONE HAND IF YOU'RE GOING TO ON ONE HAND TRY TO TARGET WORKFORCE TRY TO TARGET WORKFORCE RESOURCES, TARGET SOCIAL RESOURCES, TARGET SOCIAL SERVICES, AND DO OTHER THINGS, SERVICES, AND DO OTHER THINGS, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO DO YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THESE RESOURCES THAT BECAUSE THESE RESOURCES AREN'T UNLIMITED.

AREN'T UNLIMITED.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DID STATE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DID STATE GOVERNMENT HIRE MORE BLACK GOVERNMENT HIRE MORE BLACK PEOPLE.

PEOPLE.

THAT IS A ONE-DIMENSIONAL, YOU THAT IS A ONE-DIMENSIONAL, YOU KNOW, METRIC THAT NEEDS TO MOVE KNOW, METRIC THAT NEEDS TO MOVE BUT IT CAN'T BE AT THE BEGINNING BUT IT CAN'T BE AT THE BEGINNING AN END OF THE STORY, BUT YOU'VE AN END OF THE STORY, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW THAT 25.4% OF THE GOT TO KNOW THAT 25.4% OF THE ARRESTS IN THE STATE OF INDIANA ARRESTS IN THE STATE OF INDIANA IN 2020 OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, IN 2020 OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, YOU NEED TO KNOW THOSE THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW THOSE THINGS AND THAT DATA IS IN THAT AND THAT DATA IS IN THAT DASHBOARD SO YOU CAN MOBILIZE DASHBOARD SO YOU CAN MOBILIZE STATE GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND THE SERVICES THAT IT PROVIDES AND SERVICES THAT IT PROVIDES AND TARGET IT IN THE PLACES THAT -- TARGET IT IN THE PLACES THAT -- WHERE IT'S MOST NEEDED.

WHERE IT'S MOST NEEDED.

>> ANN DELANEY, TO THAT POINT, >> ANN DELANEY, TO THAT POINT, IT HELPS TO KNOW WHERE TO POINT IT HELPS TO KNOW WHERE TO POINT IN ORDER TO GO WHERE YOU WANT TO IN ORDER TO GO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO, AND THE DASHBOARD PRESUMABLY GO, AND THE DASHBOARD PRESUMABLY DOES THAT.

DOES THAT.

SO ISN'T THAT THE RIGHT START?

SO ISN'T THAT THE RIGHT START?

>> COME ON, BRANDON!

>> COME ON, BRANDON!

I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS TALKING THE TALK, BUT HERE IS TALKING THE TALK, BUT NOT DOING ANYTHING, WHICH IS -- NOT DOING ANYTHING, WHICH IS -- IT'S BASICALLY HOW GOVERNOR IT'S BASICALLY HOW GOVERNOR HOLCOMB GOVERNS.

HOLCOMB GOVERNS.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE ANY HE DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE ANY STEPS THAT MIGHT OFFEND HIS STEPS THAT MIGHT OFFEND HIS RIGHT WING.

RIGHT WING.

IF HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT EQUITY IF HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT EQUITY AND HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT AND HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT INCLUSION, HE WOULD STAND UP AND INCLUSION, HE WOULD STAND UP AND SAY THAT THE LEGISLATIVE SAY THAT THE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS OUGHT TO BE DRAWN B DISTRICTS OUGHT TO BE DRAWN B BY -- WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME, BY -- WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A PARTY WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A PARTY OF LINCOLN ELECTED AN AFRICAN OF LINCOLN ELECTED AN AFRICAN AMERICAN TO THE INDIANA GENERAL AMERICAN TO THE INDIANA GENERAL ASSEMBLY?

ASSEMBLY?

THE ANSWER IS NOT IN YOUR THE ANSWER IS NOT IN YOUR LIFETIME.

LIFETIME.

AND THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL AND THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL BEGINS.

BEGINS.

THEY JUST HAD A CLASS OF THEY JUST HAD A CLASS OF GRADUATES FROM THE STATE POLICE GRADUATES FROM THE STATE POLICE ACADEMY.

ACADEMY.

YOU CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND THE YOU CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND THE NUMBER OF WOMEN AND MINORITY NUMBER OF WOMEN AND MINORITY MEMBERS IN THAT CLASS.

MEMBERS IN THAT CLASS.

IF Y HE WANTED TODAY DO SOMETHI, IF Y HE WANTED TODAY DO SOMETHI, WE KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE.

WE KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE.

IT IS IN GERRYMANDERING, IT IS IT IS IN GERRYMANDERING, IT IS IN HEALTHCARE, AND IT IS IN LAW IN HEALTHCARE, AND IT IS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

ENFORCEMENT.

AND IF HE WANTED TO DO AND IF HE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, HE HAS ADEQUATE SOMETHING, HE HAS ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO DO IT.

RESOURCES TO DO IT.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING.

HE WANTS TO DO -- KICK THE CAN HE WANTS TO DO -- KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD LIKE HE DOES WITH DOWN THE ROAD LIKE HE DOES WITH EVERY OTHER DECISION THAT HAS EVERY OTHER DECISION THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO OFFEND THE THE POTENTIAL TO OFFEND THE RIGHT WING OF HIS PARTY.

RIGHT WING OF HIS PARTY.

THE SAME THING WITH THE MASKS, THE SAME THING WITH THE MASKS, THE SAME THING WITH MANDATING THE SAME THING WITH MANDATING COVID-19 VACCINATIONS TO GO TO COVID-19 VACCINATIONS TO GO TO SCHOOL.

SCHOOL.

YOU CAN -- YOU CAN -- >> CORPORATE INCOME TAX.

>> CORPORATE INCOME TAX.

>> YOU CAN'T BE MANDATED TO HAVE >> YOU CAN'T BE MANDATED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL YOU.

SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL YOU.

IT IS RIDICULOUS, HOW LITTLE IT IS RIDICULOUS, HOW LITTLE LEADERSHIP HE SHOWS, AND ROBIN LEADERSHIP HE SHOWS, AND ROBIN SHACKLEFORD IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

SHACKLEFORD IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

HE ISN'T DOING ANYTHING.

HE ISN'T DOING ANYTHING.

HE'S JUST TRYING TO PUT WHAT HE HE'S JUST TRYING TO PUT WHAT HE THINKS IS A BAND-AID ON WHAT THINKS IS A BAND-AID ON WHAT EVERYONE RECOGNIZES IS A PROBLEM EVERYONE RECOGNIZES IS A PROBLEM WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING.

WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING.

>> NIKI KELLY, WE KNOW GOVERNOR >> NIKI KELLY, WE KNOW GOVERNOR HOLCOMB LOVES A DASHBOARD, BUT A HOLCOMB LOVES A DASHBOARD, BUT A FULL YEAR AFTER HE GAVE HIS FULL YEAR AFTER HE GAVE HIS ADDRESS, WHICH WAS TWO MONTHS ADDRESS, WHICH WAS TWO MONTHS AFTER HE SAID I'M GOING TO COME AFTER HE SAID I'M GOING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN, LAST YEAR, DID UP WITH A PLAN, LAST YEAR, DID YOU EXPECT MORE BY NOW?

YOU EXPECT MORE BY NOW?

>> UM, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S >> UM, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY MOVING A BIT SLOW, DEFINITELY MOVING A BIT SLOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE DATA THAT'S ESPECIALLY SINCE THE DATA THAT'S ON THE DASHBOARD ISN'T NEW DATA, ON THE DASHBOARD ISN'T NEW DATA, PER SE.

PER SE.

I MEAN, IT LOOKS GREAT AND IT'S I MEAN, IT LOOKS GREAT AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE EASILY SEARCHABLE, A LITTLE MORE EASILY SEARCHABLE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING SORT OF NEW BUT THERE'S NOTHING SORT OF NEW OR FASCINATING IN THOSE NUMBERS.

OR FASCINATING IN THOSE NUMBERS.

BUT YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, AND I SUPPOSE, YOU KNOW, HE AND I SUPPOSE, YOU KNOW, HE SHOULD GET SOME CREDIT FOR SHOULD GET SOME CREDIT FOR TRYING TO MOVE US FORWARD IN TRYING TO MOVE US FORWARD IN SOME MANNER, BUT I WOULD EXPECT SOME MANNER, BUT I WOULD EXPECT SOME SERIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS SOME SERIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS SOON, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO SOON, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING IN THE NEXT SESSION.

ANYTHING IN THE NEXT SESSION.

>> TO THAT POINT, TO THAT VERY >> TO THAT POINT, TO THAT VERY POINT THEN, IF THE CHIEF EQUITY POINT THEN, IF THE CHIEF EQUITY INCLUSION AND OPPORTUNITY INCLUSION AND OPPORTUNITY CABINET OFFICER WHO'S BEEN ON CABINET OFFICER WHO'S BEEN ON THE JOB FOR, WHAT IS IT NOW, THE JOB FOR, WHAT IS IT NOW, EIGHT -- SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS, EIGHT -- SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS, WHO'S BEEN ON THE JOB, COMES OUT WHO'S BEEN ON THE JOB, COMES OUT WITH STRATEGIC PLAN ACROSS STATE WITH STRATEGIC PLAN ACROSS STATE GOVERNMENT.

GOVERNMENT.

IF WE HAVE THIS OUTSIDE PARTY IF WE HAVE THIS OUTSIDE PARTY REVIEW WITH RESULTS SOON AT THE REVIEW WITH RESULTS SOON AT THE STATE POLICE ACADEMY, SHOULD WE STATE POLICE ACADEMY, SHOULD WE THEN -- IS THE TIMELINE FOR THEN -- IS THE TIMELINE FOR ACTION FROM THE GOVERNOR, JON ACTION FROM THE GOVERNOR, JON SCHWANTES, A MONTH OR TWO NOW?

SCHWANTES, A MONTH OR TWO NOW?

>> IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS.

>> IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS.

I MEAN, SYSTEMIC RACISM, IT TOOK I MEAN, SYSTEMIC RACISM, IT TOOK CENTURIES TO DEVELOP, AND WHILE CENTURIES TO DEVELOP, AND WHILE I HOPE IT DOESN'T TAKE SEPTEMBER I HOPE IT DOESN'T TAKE SEPTEMBER CENTURIESTO ERADICATE, IT CAN'TE CENTURIESTO ERADICATE, IT CAN'TE WITH A SNAP OF THE FINGERS.

WITH A SNAP OF THE FINGERS.

HE WAS MORE VOCAL THAN HIS HE WAS MORE VOCAL THAN HIS PREDECESSORS IN TERMS OF PREDECESSORS IN TERMS OF FIGHTING FOR HATE CRIMES FIGHTING FOR HATE CRIMES LEGISLATION, FOR INSTANCE.

LEGISLATION, FOR INSTANCE.

HE DID APPOINT A CABINET HE DID APPOINT A CABINET OFFICIAL.

OFFICIAL.

NOW, IS THAT ENOUGH?

NOW, IS THAT ENOUGH?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

BUT I THINK IN FAIRNESS TO ERIC BUT I THINK IN FAIRNESS TO ERIC HOLCOMB, YOU HAVE TO ASK, IS HOLCOMB, YOU HAVE TO ASK, IS HE -- DOES HE GO LIKE SOME HE -- DOES HE GO LIKE SOME SPRINTER, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE SPRINTER, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE BLOCKS ON SOME ISSUES AND DRAG BLOCKS ON SOME ISSUES AND DRAG HIS HEELS ON OTHERS?

HIS HEELS ON OTHERS?

AND I THINK, MY ASSESSMENT WOULD AND I THINK, MY ASSESSMENT WOULD BE, HE'S SORT OF AN BE, HE'S SORT OF AN INCREMENTALIST ON EVERYTHING.

INCREMENTALIST ON EVERYTHING.

I MEAN, HE STUDIED -- HE HAD A I MEAN, HE STUDIED -- HE HAD A GROUP THAT STUDIED CHILD WELFARE GROUP THAT STUDIED CHILD WELFARE REFORM, HE HAD A GROUP THAT REFORM, HE HAD A GROUP THAT STUDIED -- NOW THERE'S ONE STUDIED -- NOW THERE'S ONE THAT'S LOOKING AT HEALTH IN THE THAT'S LOOKING AT HEALTH IN THE STATE OF INDIANA.

STATE OF INDIANA.

HE HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT ANN HE HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT ANN LIKED TO MALIGN ON, ON TEACHER LIKED TO MALIGN ON, ON TEACHER SALARIES.

SALARIES.

I THINK THIS IS SORT OF WHAT YOU I THINK THIS IS SORT OF WHAT YOU GET WITH ERIC HOLCOMB.

GET WITH ERIC HOLCOMB.

THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM.

THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM.

I THINK JUDICIOUS ACTION IS I THINK JUDICIOUS ACTION IS USUALLY BETTER THAN SHOOTING USUALLY BETTER THAN SHOOTING FROM THE HIP, SO YOU CAN ASSESS FROM THE HIP, SO YOU CAN ASSESS THE PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM.

AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE RACISM.

MINIMIZE RACISM.

IT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM THAT HAS IT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH IN THE STATE.

TO BE DEALT WITH IN THE STATE.

BUT IT DOES, TO MIKE'S POINT, BUT IT DOES, TO MIKE'S POINT, PAY TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE CAN PAY TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE CAN TARGET AND MAKE PROGRESS.

TARGET AND MAKE PROGRESS.

SO I THINK WE WILL SEE SOME SO I THINK WE WILL SEE SOME ACTIVITY BUT I WOULDN'T DISMISS ACTIVITY BUT I WOULDN'T DISMISS ALL TOGETHER THE THINGS THAT ALL TOGETHER THE THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE THUS FAR.

HAVE TAKEN PLACE THUS FAR.

AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO VIEW IT AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO VIEW IT IN THE CONTEXT OF HIS ADDRESSING IN THE CONTEXT OF HIS ADDRESSING VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER ISSUE.

VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER ISSUE.

I CAN'T THINK OF AN ISSUE WHERE I CAN'T THINK OF AN ISSUE WHERE HE'S JUST SAID, HERE'S WHAT I'M HE'S JUST SAID, HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, MAN THE GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, MAN THE TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AGAIN.

TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AGAIN.

>> HE OPERATES, JON, THE WAY YOU >> HE OPERATES, JON, THE WAY YOU RUN.

RUN.

VERY, VERY SLOWLY.

VERY, VERY SLOWLY.

>> WELL, THAT'S -- IT'S MORE OF >> WELL, THAT'S -- IT'S MORE OF A WALK.

A WALK.

>> ONE YEAR -- >> ONE YEAR -- >> SHUFFLE.

>> SHUFFLE.

>> ONE YEAR AFTER THE STATE >> ONE YEAR AFTER THE STATE LAUNCHED AN OPTIONAL PROGRAM TO LAUNCHED AN OPTIONAL PROGRAM TO HELP LANDLORDS AND TENANTS SEE HELP LANDLORDS AND TENANTS SEE IF THEY CAN REACH AN EVICTION IF THEY CAN REACH AN EVICTION SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT, TENANT SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT, TENANT ADVOCATES SAY THE PROGRAM HASN'T ADVOCATES SAY THE PROGRAM HASN'T SEEN ENOUGH BUY-IN TO BE SEEN ENOUGH BUY-IN TO BE EFFECTIVE.

EFFECTIVE.

THE LANDLORD AND TENANT THE LANDLORD AND TENANT SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE PROGRAM SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE PROGRAM TRIES TO BRING BOTH PARTIES TO TRIES TO BRING BOTH PARTIES TO THE TABLE BY OFFERING A FREE THE TABLE BY OFFERING A FREE SESSION WITH A NEUTRAL MEDIATOR.

SESSION WITH A NEUTRAL MEDIATOR.

AS OF AUGUST 4TH, THE PROGRAM AS OF AUGUST 4TH, THE PROGRAM HAD 791 REQUESTS FOR MEDIATION.

HAD 791 REQUESTS FOR MEDIATION.

BUT ONLY 48 CASES HAVE ACTUALLY BUT ONLY 48 CASES HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN FACILITATED AND BARELY HALF BEEN FACILITATED AND BARELY HALF OF THOSE RESULTED IN A TENANT OF THOSE RESULTED IN A TENANT STAYING IN THEIR PROPERTY.

STAYING IN THEIR PROPERTY.

ANDREW BRADLEY IS POLICY ANDREW BRADLEY IS POLICY DIRECTOR WITH PROSPERITY DIRECTOR WITH PROSPERITY INDIANA, WHICH ADVOCATES FOR INDIANA, WHICH ADVOCATES FOR STRONGER TENANT PROTECTIONS.

STRONGER TENANT PROTECTIONS.

HE SAYS WITH AN ESTIMATED 56,000 HE SAYS WITH AN ESTIMATED 56,000 EVICTION FILINGS IN THE STATE EVICTION FILINGS IN THE STATE SINCE THE START OF THE PANDEMIC, SINCE THE START OF THE PANDEMIC, IT'S CLEAR THE PROGRAM HASN'T IT'S CLEAR THE PROGRAM HASN'T BEEN A SOLUTION TO HOUSING BEEN A SOLUTION TO HOUSING INSTABILITY.

INSTABILITY.

>> I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS >> I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT WITHOUT THAT BUY-IN AND THAT WITHOUT THAT BUY-IN AND WITHOUT A MECHANISM TO GET WITHOUT A MECHANISM TO GET PEOPLE AT THE TABLE, IT'S NOT PEOPLE AT THE TABLE, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A SYSTEMIC OR GOING TO HAVE A SYSTEMIC OR SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THIS SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THIS HOUSING STABILITY CRISIS.

HOUSING STABILITY CRISIS.

>> BRADLEY SAYS HE'D LIKE TO SEE >> BRADLEY SAYS HE'D LIKE TO SEE PARTICIPATION REQUIRED.

PARTICIPATION REQUIRED.

A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE INDIANA A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE INDIANA SUPREME COURT, WHICH RUNS THE SUPREME COURT, WHICH RUNS THE PROGRAM, SAYS IT'S FOCUSED ON PROGRAM, SAYS IT'S FOCUSED ON OPTIONAL PARTICIPATION.

OPTIONAL PARTICIPATION.

ANN DELANEY, CAN THIS PROGRAM ANN DELANEY, CAN THIS PROGRAM BE EFFECTIVE IF ITS OPTIONAL?

BE EFFECTIVE IF ITS OPTIONAL?

>> NO.

>> NO.

AND WITNESS THE RESULTS.

AND WITNESS THE RESULTS.

I MEAN, INDIANA IS A VERY, VERY I MEAN, INDIANA IS A VERY, VERY PRO-LANDLORD STATE, WHICH IS PRO-LANDLORD STATE, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON THAT OUR PART OF THE REASON THAT OUR EVICTION RATE IS MUCH, MUCH, EVICTION RATE IS MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN SURROUNDING STATES, AND AT THE SURROUNDING STATES, AND AT THE TOP OF THE NATION.

TOP OF THE NATION.

IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE WITH IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE WITH THE KIND OF LEGISLATION THAT THE KIND OF LEGISLATION THAT COMES OUT OF THE END GAME OF THE COMES OUT OF THE END GAME OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

NOW, SOME OF THE MONEY THAT'S NOW, SOME OF THE MONEY THAT'S COMING IN IS GOING TO HELP, I COMING IN IS GOING TO HELP, I SUPPOSE, EXCEPT THAT THE U.S.

SUPPOSE, EXCEPT THAT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT'S ACTION ON THE SUPREME COURT'S ACTION ON THE MORATORIUM THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN MORATORIUM THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN TRIED TO EXTEND IS GOING TO TRIED TO EXTEND IS GOING TO RESULT IN MORE EVICTIONS.

RESULT IN MORE EVICTIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CRISIS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CRISIS THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY SUBSTANTIAL IN INDIANA.

SUBSTANTIAL IN INDIANA.

I GIVE KUDOS TO THE CITY OF I GIVE KUDOS TO THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS, WHICH HAS FIGURED INDIANAPOLIS, WHICH HAS FIGURED OUT A WAY TO GET THAT MONEY OUT OUT A WAY TO GET THAT MONEY OUT AND TO HELP TENANTS AND TO PAY AND TO HELP TENANTS AND TO PAY LANDLORDS.

LANDLORDS.

IN FACT, INDIANAPOLIS HAS GIVEN IN FACT, INDIANAPOLIS HAS GIVEN OUT MORE IN MARION COUNTY THAN OUT MORE IN MARION COUNTY THAN THE REST OF THE STATE COMBINED, THE REST OF THE STATE COMBINED, WHICH SHOWS HOW POORLY THE STATE WHICH SHOWS HOW POORLY THE STATE HAS WORKED WITH THE SYSTEM TO HAS WORKED WITH THE SYSTEM TO TRY TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF TRY TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CRISIS CAUSED BY COVID.

THE CRISIS CAUSED BY COVID.

AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH EE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH EE VICEVICTIONS UNLESS THE GOVERNOR VICEVICTIONS UNLESS THE GOVERNOR STEPS IN, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO STEPS IN, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HAPPEN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MASSIVE NUMBER OF EVICTIONS OVER MASSIVE NUMBER OF EVICTIONS OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND WE'RE THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE GOING TO HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THE SPREAD OF DISEASE IS AND THE SPREAD OF DISEASE IS GOING TO CONTINUE.

GOING TO CONTINUE.

>> ON THAT POINT ABOUT MARION >> ON THAT POINT ABOUT MARION COUNTY VERSUS THE REST OF THE COUNTY VERSUS THE REST OF THE STATE, THE STATE NOW HAS GO 10 STATE, THE STATE NOW HAS GO 10 UP TO -- I THINK IT'S UP TO -- I THINK IT'S $150 MILLION AT LEAST OF THE $150 MILLION AT LEAST OF THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE MONEY THAT RENTAL ASSISTANCE MONEY THAT IT'S RECEIVED FROM THE FEDERAL IT'S RECEIVED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN PAID OUT, SO GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN PAID OUT, SO I THINK THE STATE IS SURPASSING I THINK THE STATE IS SURPASSING CERTAINLY MARION COUNTY, BUT CERTAINLY MARION COUNTY, BUT MIKE O'BRIEN -- MIKE O'BRIEN -- >> MARION COUNTY HAD 91 MILLION.

>> MARION COUNTY HAD 91 MILLION.

>> BUT I THINK THE STATE IS >> BUT I THINK THE STATE IS STILL HIGHER.

STILL HIGHER.

BUT MIKE O'BRIEN, TO THAT POINT, BUT MIKE O'BRIEN, TO THAT POINT, THOUGH, A LITTLE BIT ON THE THOUGH, A LITTLE BIT ON THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, IT'S RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, IT'S A LITTLE SIMILAR HERE IN THAT A LITTLE SIMILAR HERE IN THAT FOR THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO WORK, THE LANDLORD PROGRAM TO WORK, THE LANDLORD HAS TO AGREE TO IT, NOT JUST THE HAS TO AGREE TO IT, NOT JUST THE TENANT ASKING FOR IT.

TENANT ASKING FOR IT.

HERE, THE LANDLORD AND TENANT HERE, THE LANDLORD AND TENANT BOTH HAVE TO AGREE TO GO TO BOTH HAVE TO AGREE TO GO TO THIS.

THIS.

DOES IT WORK IF WE'RE JUST DOES IT WORK IF WE'RE JUST MAKING THESE THINGS OPTIONAL MAKING THESE THINGS OPTIONAL LIKE THAT?

LIKE THAT?

>> IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE LIKE >> IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE LIKE MOST OF THIS COVID RELIEF MONEY, MOST OF THIS COVID RELIEF MONEY, WE'VE DONE A POOR JOB WE'VE DONE A POOR JOB IDENTIFYING WHO REALLY NEEDS IT, IDENTIFYING WHO REALLY NEEDS IT, AND WHO WE'RE JUST -- WHOSE AND WHO WE'RE JUST -- WHOSE MONEY -- WE'RE JUST POURING MONEY -- WE'RE JUST POURING MONEY INTO PEOPLE'S POCKETS WHO MONEY INTO PEOPLE'S POCKETS WHO DON'T NEED IT, FOR EXAMPLE, ON DON'T NEED IT, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE STIMULUS FUNDS.

THE STIMULUS FUNDS.

ON THIS PIECE, IF YOU'RE ON THIS PIECE, IF YOU'RE HOUSING-INSECURE, IF YOU'RE -- HOUSING-INSECURE, IF YOU'RE -- IF YOU'VE LOST YOUR JOB AND IF YOU'VE LOST YOUR JOB AND YOU'RE POOR, EVERYTHING IS YOU'RE POOR, EVERYTHING IS HARDER.

HARDER.

SO GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT SO GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT MANDATORY.

MANDATORY.

THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE THAT THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO CURE THIS ISN'T GOING TO CURE ANYTHING THAT'S SYSTEMIC IS ANYTHING THAT'S SYSTEMIC IS RIGHT BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE RIGHT BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE HOUSING-INSECURE DON'T HAVE THE HOUSING-INSECURE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO UNDERSTAND HOW RESOURCES TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ENTER INTO SOME THEY'RE GOING TO ENTER INTO SOME NEGOTIATION WITH THEIR LANDLORD, NEGOTIATION WITH THEIR LANDLORD, AND THE LANDLORD HAS BEEN AND THE LANDLORD HAS BEEN STRESSED OVER THE COURSE OF THE STRESSED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 18 MONTHS AS WELL.

LAST 18 MONTHS AS WELL.

THESE OFTEN MOST OF THE TIME ARE THESE OFTEN MOST OF THE TIME ARE NOT LIKE CORPORATE CONGLOMERATE% NOT LIKE CORPORATE CONGLOMERATE% THAT OWN THESE RENTAL UNIT.

THAT OWN THESE RENTAL UNIT.

THEY'RE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIKE THEY'RE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIKE THEIR NEST EGG SUNK INTO IT.

THEIR NEST EGG SUNK INTO IT.

SO NAVIGATING THESE GOVERNMENT SO NAVIGATING THESE GOVERNMENT SUPPORT PROGRAMS IS REALLY SUPPORT PROGRAMS IS REALLY COMPLICATED, AND IF YOU'RE COMPLICATED, AND IF YOU'RE ALREADY WORRIED ABOUT WHERE ALREADY WORRIED ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE NEXT MONTH, YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE NEXT MONTH, IT MAKES IT EVEN HARDER.

IT MAKES IT EVEN HARDER.

>> TO THAT POINT, JON SCHWANTES, >> TO THAT POINT, JON SCHWANTES, THIS GOES BACK TO FUNDAMENTALLY THIS GOES BACK TO FUNDAMENTALLY THE PROGRAM ITSELF.

THE PROGRAM ITSELF.

IF YOU ARE FACING EVICTION AND IF YOU ARE FACING EVICTION AND IN THAT SITUATION IS A FREE IN THAT SITUATION IS A FREE SESSION WITH A NEUTRAL MEDIATOR SESSION WITH A NEUTRAL MEDIATOR GOING TO DO THE TRICK?

GOING TO DO THE TRICK?

>> IT MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER THAT >> IT MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER THAT A LOT OF TENANTS IN DIRE STRAITS A LOT OF TENANTS IN DIRE STRAITS ARE LOOKING FOR.

ARE LOOKING FOR.

AGAIN, THEY'RE PROBABLY AGAIN, THEY'RE PROBABLY ALREADY -- THEIR BACKS ARE TO ALREADY -- THEIR BACKS ARE TO THE WALL BECAUSE OF LOSS OF JOBS THE WALL BECAUSE OF LOSS OF JOBS OR BECAUSE OF HEALTH ISSUES, AND OR BECAUSE OF HEALTH ISSUES, AND PERHAPS THEY COULDN'T GET TO PERHAPS THEY COULDN'T GET TO WORK OR LOST THEIR JOBS.

WORK OR LOST THEIR JOBS.

I'M NOT SURE THAT GETTING TO A I'M NOT SURE THAT GETTING TO A MEDIATION OR ARBITRATION MEDIATION OR ARBITRATION APPOINTMENT -- I'M NOT SURE APPOINTMENT -- I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT WOULD TAKE PLACE.

WHERE IT WOULD TAKE PLACE.

PRESUMABLY -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE PRESUMABLY -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD TAKE PLACE, BUT THAT'S IT WOULD TAKE PLACE, BUT THAT'S YET ANOTHER WRINKLE THAT WOULD YET ANOTHER WRINKLE THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT POTENTIALLY.

BE DIFFICULT POTENTIALLY.

YOU KNOW, IT A FINE PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, IT A FINE PROGRAM.

I'M GLAD IT'S AN OPTION.

I'M GLAD IT'S AN OPTION.

BUT THE STATE AND THIS COUNTRY BUT THE STATE AND THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH IS GOING TO HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH THIS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG THIS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROBLEM.

PROBLEM.

THERE IS MONEY OUT THERE, AS HAS THERE IS MONEY OUT THERE, AS HAS BEEN NOTED.

BEEN NOTED.

I THINK 50-PLUS BILLION DOLLARS I THINK 50-PLUS BILLION DOLLARS WAS EARMARKED FROM THE FEDERAL WAS EARMARKED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THESE PURPOSES, GOVERNMENT FOR THESE PURPOSES, AND I THINK NATIONALLY, MAYBE AND I THINK NATIONALLY, MAYBE ONLY A TENTH OF THAT OR SO HAS ONLY A TENTH OF THAT OR SO HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

AGAIN, IT'S -- THE STATES HAVE AGAIN, IT'S -- THE STATES HAVE HAD TROUBLE AND CITIES HAVE HAD HAD TROUBLE AND CITIES HAVE HAD TROUBLE.

TROUBLE.

INDIANA IS NO DIFFERENT IN THAT INDIANA IS NO DIFFERENT IN THAT REGARD.

REGARD.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DEAL WITH A LOG JAM LIKE THAT, DEAL WITH A LOG JAM LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR A BUT IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE COMING LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE COMING MONTHS.

MONTHS.

>> ANN REFERENCED THIS, WHICH IS >> ANN REFERENCED THIS, WHICH IS THE U.S. SUPREME COURT REALLY THE U.S. SUPREME COURT REALLY PERMANENTLY FINALLY STRUCK DOWN PERMANENTLY FINALLY STRUCK DOWN THE CDC'S EVICTION MORATORIUM.

THE CDC'S EVICTION MORATORIUM.

THAT HAS ENDED, IT'S NOT COMING THAT HAS ENDED, IT'S NOT COMING BACK UNLESS CONGRESS DOES BACK UNLESS CONGRESS DOES SOMETHING, SO IT'S NOT COMING SOMETHING, SO IT'S NOT COMING BACK, AND NIKI, IN TERMS OF BACK, AND NIKI, IN TERMS OF BUY-IN ON THIS PROGRAM, IF IT BUY-IN ON THIS PROGRAM, IF IT CAN HELP AT ALL, WHICH I SUPPOSE CAN HELP AT ALL, WHICH I SUPPOSE IS A QUESTION, BUT IF IT CAN IS A QUESTION, BUT IF IT CAN HELP, AND IF IT'S BUY-IN THAT HELP, AND IF IT'S BUY-IN THAT WILL DO THAT, IS THE IMPENDING WILL DO THAT, IS THE IMPENDING CRISIS OF EVICTIONS HERE AND CRISIS OF EVICTIONS HERE AND EVERYWHERE, IS THE IMPENDING EVERYWHERE, IS THE IMPENDING CRISIS PERHAPS GOING TO CREATE CRISIS PERHAPS GOING TO CREATE MORE OF THAT BUY-IN?

MORE OF THAT BUY-IN?

>> I DON'T KNOW, I KIND OF FEEL >> I DON'T KNOW, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS ISSUE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS ISSUE IS PASSED.

PASSED.

LIKE THESE EVICTIONS ARE GOING LIKE THESE EVICTIONS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE'VE GOT TO START TO HAPPEN AND WE'VE GOT TO START DEALING WITH THEM, AND MAYBE DEALING WITH THEM, AND MAYBE INSTEAD OF RUNNING THIS MONEY INSTEAD OF RUNNING THIS MONEY THROUGH CITIES AND LITERALLY THROUGH CITIES AND LITERALLY JUST A BRAIN ISSUE, MAYBE YOU JUST A BRAIN ISSUE, MAYBE YOU GIVE JUDGES ANG SES TO THE GIVE JUDGES ANG SES TO THE MONEY.

MONEY.

THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR THESE THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR THESE PEOPLE AND SEE THEM IN COURT AND PEOPLE AND SEE THEM IN COURT AND KNOW WHO HAS ACCESS TO WHAT KNOW WHO HAS ACCESS TO WHAT MONEY, MAYBE THEY COULD BE, YOU MONEY, MAYBE THEY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORE ACCURATELY -- TO KNOW, MORE ACCURATELY -- TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT VERSUS THOSE WHO JUST AREN'T VERSUS THOSE WHO JUST AREN'T GOING TO WORK.

GOING TO WORK.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> I JUST HEARD THE LEGISLATURE >> I JUST HEARD THE LEGISLATURE CRYING FOUL, BUT -- CRYING FOUL, BUT -- >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

JUST OVER HALF OF ELIGIBLE JUST OVER HALF OF ELIGIBLE HOOSIERS 12 AND OVER ARE FULLY HOOSIERS 12 AND OVER ARE FULLY VACCINATED SO FAR.

VACCINATED SO FAR.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S SAMANTHA HORTON REPORTS A SAMANTHA HORTON REPORTS A CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED THIS WEEK BY CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED THIS WEEK BY THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WILL PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE WILL PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE EMPLOYERS THAT HAVE HIGHER EMPLOYERS THAT HAVE HIGHER NUMBERS OF VACCINATED WORKERS.

NUMBERS OF VACCINATED WORKERS.

>> JENNIFER PFERRER IS THE >> JENNIFER PFERRER IS THE EXECUIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EXECUIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CHAMBER'S WELLNESS COUNCIL OF CHAMBER'S WELLNESS COUNCIL OF INDIANA.

INDIANA.

SHE SAYS BUSINESSES HAVE PLAYED SHE SAYS BUSINESSES HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN EMPLOYEE HEALTH FOR A ROLE IN EMPLOYEE HEALTH FOR YEARS ON PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES YEARS ON PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES LIKE SMOKING -- AND THE COVID-19 LIKE SMOKING -- AND THE COVID-19 VACCINATION IS JUST THE LATEST VACCINATION IS JUST THE LATEST ISSUE EMPLOYERS NEED TO ADDRESS ISSUE EMPLOYERS NEED TO ADDRESS TO KEEP THEIR BUSINESSES SAFE.

TO KEEP THEIR BUSINESSES SAFE.

>> WHILE THE MANDATES ON >> WHILE THE MANDATES ON VACCINATION ARE HARD FOR VACCINATION ARE HARD FOR EMPLOYERS TO REALLY MOVE FORWARD EMPLOYERS TO REALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE WITH, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE EMPLOYERS TO LOOK AT VACCINATION EMPLOYERS TO LOOK AT VACCINATION AS A WAY TO GET THE WORKFORCE AS A WAY TO GET THE WORKFORCE BACK INTO THE WORKPLACE AND KEEP BACK INTO THE WORKPLACE AND KEEP THEM IN THE WORKPLACE.

THEM IN THE WORKPLACE.

>> PFERRER SAYS EMPLOYERS CAN >> PFERRER SAYS EMPLOYERS CAN INQUIRE ABOUT AN EMPLOYEE'S INQUIRE ABOUT AN EMPLOYEE'S VACCINATION STATUS WITHOUT IT VACCINATION STATUS WITHOUT IT BEING A HIPAA VIOLATION.

BEING A HIPAA VIOLATION.

>> JON SCHWANTES, WE'VE TALKED >> JON SCHWANTES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR REALLY ABOUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR REALLY BEING THE ONE TO PUSH THE BALL BEING THE ONE TO PUSH THE BALL FORWARD ON GETTING FOLKS FORWARD ON GETTING FOLKS VACCINATED.

VACCINATED.

IS THIS SORT OF RECOGNITION A IS THIS SORT OF RECOGNITION A MEANINGFUL WAY TO DO THAT?

MEANINGFUL WAY TO DO THAT?

>> IT HELPS.

>> IT HELPS.

EVERYTHING HELPS WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYTHING HELPS WHEN YOU HAVE BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE THE RESPECT PRESUMABLY OF ITS THE RESPECT PRESUMABLY OF ITS MEMBERSHIP ACROSS THE STATE MEMBERSHIP ACROSS THE STATE SAYING THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD SAYING THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, THIS IS WHAT YOUR PEERS ARE DO, THIS IS WHAT YOUR PEERS ARE DOING, WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOU TOO.

DOING, WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOU TOO.

SO HELPS.

SO HELPS.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF TEETH COULD BE PUT WHAT KIND OF TEETH COULD BE PUT INTO IT.

INTO IT.

I'M REMINDED OF WHAT SOME STATES I'M REMINDED OF WHAT SOME STATES DO WHERE YOU WALK INTO A DO WHERE YOU WALK INTO A PUBLIC-FACING BUSINESS, PUBLIC-FACING BUSINESS, RESTAURANTS OR BARS, FOR RESTAURANTS OR BARS, FOR INSTANCE, AND THEY HAVE THE INSTANCE, AND THEY HAVE THE REQUIRED HEALTH POSTING OF WHAT REQUIRED HEALTH POSTING OF WHAT THEIR INSPECTION RATE IS, YOU THEIR INSPECTION RATE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S 98 OR AN A.

KNOW, IT'S 98 OR AN A. I WONDER IF -- IT PROBABLY WILL I WONDER IF -- IT PROBABLY WILL BE VOLUNTARY BECAUSE I DON'T BE VOLUNTARY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD HAVE THE CLOUT OR KNOW WHO WOULD HAVE THE CLOUT OR POWER TO DO THIS, BUT REQUIRE POWER TO DO THIS, BUT REQUIRE ALL PUBLIC-FACING BUSINESSES TO ALL PUBLIC-FACING BUSINESSES TO SAY, POST ON YOUR -- IN A SAY, POST ON YOUR -- IN A PROMINENT LOCATION IN YOUR LO LY PROMINENT LOCATION IN YOUR LO LY OR FRONT DOOR, DO YOU REQUIRE OR FRONT DOOR, DO YOU REQUIRE ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES TO BE ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES TO BE VACCINATED OR NOT?

VACCINATED OR NOT?

THAT'S JUST SORT OF A CAVEAT -- THAT'S JUST SORT OF A CAVEAT -- BUYER BEWARE.

BUYER BEWARE.

>> I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB >> I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY THE STATE OF INDIANA IS AND SAY THE STATE OF INDIANA IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

>> I'M SAYING THAT'S WHY IT >> I'M SAYING THAT'S WHY IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A VOLUNTARY WOULD PROBABLY BE A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.

PROGRAM.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, THOUGH, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, THOUGH, MAYBE IN THE HEALTHCARE SECTOR MAYBE IN THE HEALTHCARE SECTOR IT MIGHT COMPEL ACTION AMONG IT MIGHT COMPEL ACTION AMONG NURSING HOMES AND CLINICS.

NURSING HOMES AND CLINICS.

>> SPEAKING OF THE PRIVATE >> SPEAKING OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE SAW A NEW TAKE ON A SECTOR, WE SAW A NEW TAKE ON A VERSION OF A VACCINE MANDATE VERSION OF A VACCINE MANDATE WITHOUT BEING A MANDATE THIS WITHOUT BEING A MANDATE THIS WEEK.

WEEK.

DELTA AIRLINES IS GOING TO BE DELTA AIRLINES IS GOING TO BE CHARGING EMPLOYEES WHO REFUSE TO CHARGING EMPLOYEES WHO REFUSE TO GET VACCINATED FOR COVID MORE GET VACCINATED FOR COVID MORE MONEY FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE MONEY FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE COVERAGE THE SAME WAY THEY DO COVERAGE THE SAME WAY THEY DO FOR SMOKING, FOR INSTANCE.

FOR SMOKING, FOR INSTANCE.

NIKI, YOU TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR NIKI, YOU TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR ABOUT THAT VERY ISSUE THIS WEEK.

ABOUT THAT VERY ISSUE THIS WEEK.

WHAT DID HE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT WHAT DID HE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IDEA?

THAT IDEA?

>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

OBVIOUSLY THE STATE CAN'T OBVIOUSLY THE STATE CAN'T REQUIRE VACCINATIONS DUE TO THE REQUIRE VACCINATIONS DUE TO THE LEGISLATURE PASSING THAT LEGISLATURE PASSING THAT PASSPORT LAW, BUT YOU CAN MAYBE PASSPORT LAW, BUT YOU CAN MAYBE PUT SOME INCENTIVES OR RIGHTLY PUT SOME INCENTIVES OR RIGHTLY DISINCENTIVES INTO THE SYSTEM.

DISINCENTIVES INTO THE SYSTEM.

HE SAYS HE'S NOT THERE YET, HE SAYS HE'S NOT THERE YET, INCREASINGLY FRUSTRATED AND HE INCREASINGLY FRUSTRATED AND HE SAID HE UNDERSTANDS, ESPECIALLY SAID HE UNDERSTANDS, ESPECIALLY IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRIES OR IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRIES OR PROCESSING PLANTS, HE SAID, YOU PROCESSING PLANTS, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE SICK AND KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE SICK AND CAN'T COME IN, WE'RE NOW CAN'T COME IN, WE'RE NOW IMPACTING GETTING GOODS AND IMPACTING GETTING GOODS AND SERVICES.

SERVICES.

SO HE THINKS, YOU KNOW, SEEMS SO HE THINKS, YOU KNOW, SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.

LIKE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.

>> ANN DELANEY, DID JON MENTION, >> ANN DELANEY, DID JON MENTION, EVERY LITTLE POINT HELPS AT THIS EVERY LITTLE POINT HELPS AT THIS POINT.

POINT.

IS THE IDEA OF CHARGING PEOPLE IS THE IDEA OF CHARGING PEOPLE MORE FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE MORE FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE COVERAGE IF THEY REFUSE TO GET COVERAGE IF THEY REFUSE TO GET VACCINATED A GOOD STRATEGY GOING VACCINATED A GOOD STRATEGY GOING FORWARD FOR A LOT OF FOLKS?

FORWARD FOR A LOT OF FOLKS?

>> OH, I THINK SO.

>> OH, I THINK SO.

AND I THINK THE EMPLOYER SHOULD AND I THINK THE EMPLOYER SHOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, EITHER GET SAY, YOU KNOW, EITHER GET VACCINATED OR FIND ANOTHER JOB.

VACCINATED OR FIND ANOTHER JOB.

I AM TIRED OF THESE PEOPLE WHO I AM TIRED OF THESE PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY TO GET VACCINATED RESPONSIBILITY TO GET VACCINATED AND IT'S THEIR BODY AND IT'S AND IT'S THEIR BODY AND IT'S THEIR CHOICE.

THEIR CHOICE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL, THEY'RE ALSO INFECTING THE WELL, THEY'RE ALSO INFECTING THE REST OF US.

REST OF US.

ANECDOTALLY, I'M HEARING FROM ANECDOTALLY, I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE WITH SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN PEOPLE WITH SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN LEFT AND RIGHT THAT THEY'RE LEFT AND RIGHT THAT THEY'RE BEING FURLOUGHED FOR TWO WEEKS BEING FURLOUGHED FOR TWO WEEKS AT A TIME WITHOUT HAVING REMOTE AT A TIME WITHOUT HAVING REMOTE LEARNING SET UP BECAUSE SOMEBODY LEARNING SET UP BECAUSE SOMEBODY IN THAT GROUP DIDN'T GET IN THAT GROUP DIDN'T GET VACCINATED.

VACCINATED.

I MEAN, THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD I MEAN, THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD REQUIRE A VACCINATION FOR REQUIRE A VACCINATION FOR CHICKEN POX AND NOT FOR A CHICKEN POX AND NOT FOR A DISEASE THAT KILLS YOU IS DISEASE THAT KILLS YOU IS INCREDIBLE.

INCREDIBLE.

I MEAN, WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING I MEAN, WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TELL PEOPLE, THIS WE CAN TO TELL PEOPLE, THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT THEIR BODY.

ISN'T JUST ABOUT THEIR BODY.

IT'S ABOUT EVERYBODY'S HEALTH.

IT'S ABOUT EVERYBODY'S HEALTH.

IT'S ABOUT THE ECONOMY OF THE IT'S ABOUT THE ECONOMY OF THE COUNTRY.

COUNTRY.

WE'RE ABOUT THREE WEEKS FROM WE'RE ABOUT THREE WEEKS FROM BEING WHERE FLORIDA IS, WHERE BEING WHERE FLORIDA IS, WHERE THE ICUs ARE OVERWHELMED THE ICUs ARE OVERWHELMED AGAIN, ELECTIVE SURGERIES NOT AGAIN, ELECTIVE SURGERIES NOT ALLOWED AGAIN IN INDIANA, AGAIN, ALLOWED AGAIN IN INDIANA, AGAIN, AND ALL BECAUSE WE HAVE A AND ALL BECAUSE WE HAVE A PANDEMIC AMONG PEOPLE WHO ARE PANDEMIC AMONG PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VACCINATED.

NOT VACCINATED.

AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE.

AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE.

SO ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE, SO ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE, WHETHER IT'S CARROT OR STICK, TO WHETHER IT'S CARROT OR STICK, TO MAKE PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY SHOULD MAKE PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE MONTHS AGO SHOULD BE HAVE DONE MONTHS AGO SHOULD BE DONE.

DONE.

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, WE'VE TALKED >> MIKE O'BRIEN, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE RELUCTANCE BEFORE ABOUT THE RELUCTANCE OBVIOUSLY OF SOME TO MANDATING OBVIOUSLY OF SOME TO MANDATING THE VACCINE.

THE VACCINE.

IS THIS WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL IS THIS WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL THE DELTA AIRLINES IDEA, BUT THE DELTA AIRLINES IDEA, BUT THIS IDEA OF CHARGING THEM MORE THIS IDEA OF CHARGING THEM MORE FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE COVERAGE, FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE COVERAGE, IS THAT P POTENTIALLY MORE IS THAT P POTENTIALLY MORE PALATABLE TO EMPLOYERS WHO WOULD PALATABLE TO EMPLOYERS WHO WOULD BALK AT A MANDATE?

BALK AT A MANDATE?

>> YEAH, IT'S A STICK INSTEAD OF >> YEAH, IT'S A STICK INSTEAD OF A SCRATCH-OFF R LOTTERY TICKET.

A SCRATCH-OFF R LOTTERY TICKET.

IT'S PENALIZING YOU INSTEAD OF IT'S PENALIZING YOU INSTEAD OF TRYING TO COAX YOU INTO DOING TRYING TO COAX YOU INTO DOING IT.

IT.

ULTIMATELY WILL IT HELP MORE ULTIMATELY WILL IT HELP MORE PEOPLE DO IT?

PEOPLE DO IT?

PROBABLY.

PROBABLY.

THERE'S NOT A SILVER BULLET HERE THERE'S NOT A SILVER BULLET HERE ON GETTING EVERYBODY TO DO THIS, ON GETTING EVERYBODY TO DO THIS, AND THERE'S NO MECHANISM THAT AND THERE'S NO MECHANISM THAT YOU CAN PUT IN PLACE WHERE WE YOU CAN PUT IN PLACE WHERE WE JUST ARGUE THAT ANYTHING IN JUST ARGUE THAT ANYTHING IN THE -- THAT WE DEEM -- THAT WE THE -- THAT WE DEEM -- THAT WE COLLECTIVELY OR SOME GOVERNMENT COLLECTIVELY OR SOME GOVERNMENT DEEMS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC DEEMS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IS NOW MANDATORY IN INTEREST IS NOW MANDATORY IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY OR PRIVATE PRIVATE INDUSTRY OR PRIVATE EMPLOYERS.

EMPLOYERS.

SO CAN WE CELEBRATE LIKE THE SO CAN WE CELEBRATE LIKE THE INDIANA CHAMBER PROPOSED THIS INDIANA CHAMBER PROPOSED THIS WEEK, PROMOTING HIGH VACCINATION WEEK, PROMOTING HIGH VACCINATION RATES AN MAKE THIS A POSITIVE RATES AN MAKE THIS A POSITIVE THING?

THING?

WE SHOULD.

WE SHOULD.

ARE WE ENTERING A PLACE WHERE ARE WE ENTERING A PLACE WHERE THE STRONG ARM OF THE GOVERNMENT THE STRONG ARM OF THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO REACH INTO THESE IS GOING TO REACH INTO THESE COMPANIES AND FORCE THEM TO DO COMPANIES AND FORCE THEM TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS?

DIFFERENT THINGS?

I HOPE NOT, BUT SOME PLACES, I HOPE NOT, BUT SOME PLACES, THAT SEEMS LIKE WHERE IT'S THAT SEEMS LIKE WHERE IT'S GOING.

GOING.

>> TO BE FAIR, WHY WOULD YOU GET >> TO BE FAIR, WHY WOULD YOU GET A VACCINE THAT CLEARLY WORKS A VACCINE THAT CLEARLY WORKS WHEN YOU CAN TAKE LIVESTOCK WHEN YOU CAN TAKE LIVESTOCK MEDICINE?

MEDICINE?

TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN EACH WEEK WE POSE AN UNSCIENTIFIC ONLINE POLL UNSCIENTIFIC ONLINE POLL QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR ICEMILLER EMAIL AND TEXT ALERTS.

ICEMILLER EMAIL AND TEXT ALERTS.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION, SHOULD THIS WEEK'S QUESTION, SHOULD COMPANIES CHARGE EMPLOYEES WHO COMPANIES CHARGE EMPLOYEES WHO WON'T GET VACCINATED FOR WON'T GET VACCINATED FOR COVID-19 MORE FOR THEIR HEALTH COVID-19 MORE FOR THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE?

INSURANCE COVERAGE?

A, YES, OR B, NO?

ASKED YOU WHER A, YES, OR B, NO?

ASKED YOU WHER GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB IS GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB IS OPTIMISTIC OR NAIVE ABOUT THE OPTIMISTIC OR NAIVE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF HIS PUBLIC HEALTH POTENTIAL OF HIS PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSION.

COMMISSION.

62% SAY NAIVE.

62% SAY NAIVE.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE PART IN IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THE POLL, GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR THE POLL, GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

>> HOOSIERS HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN >> HOOSIERS HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN MONEY FOR DRAWING SO-CALLED MONEY FOR DRAWING SO-CALLED "FAIR" LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT "FAIR" LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT MAPS.

MAPS.

IT'S PART OF A CONTEST BY THE IT'S PART OF A CONTEST BY THE REDISTRICTING REFORM ADVOCACY REDISTRICTING REFORM ADVOCACY GROUP ALL IN FOR DEMOCRACY.

GROUP ALL IN FOR DEMOCRACY.

THE GROUP ARGUES THAT THE THE GROUP ARGUES THAT THE CURRENT MAP-MAKING PROCESS - IN CURRENT MAP-MAKING PROCESS - IN WHICH STATE LAWMAKERS DRAW THE WHICH STATE LAWMAKERS DRAW THE LINES - PRODUCES DISTRICTS THAT LINES - PRODUCES DISTRICTS THAT UNFAIRLY FAVOR THE MAJORITY UNFAIRLY FAVOR THE MAJORITY PARTY.

PARTY.

THIS YEAR, REFORM ADVOCATES WANT THIS YEAR, REFORM ADVOCATES WANT TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE MAPS, TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE MAPS, DRAWN BY PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE DRAWN BY PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

AND TO HELP GENERATE THOSE, ALL AND TO HELP GENERATE THOSE, ALL IN FOR DEMOCRACY WILL GIVE THE IN FOR DEMOCRACY WILL GIVE THE HOOSIER WHO SUBMITS THE HOOSIER WHO SUBMITS THE "FAIREST" STATE HOUSE DISTRICT "FAIREST" STATE HOUSE DISTRICT MAP THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

MAP THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THE WINNING STATE SENATE MAP THE WINNING STATE SENATE MAP GETS TWO THOUSAND, AND A GETS TWO THOUSAND, AND A THOUSAND DOLLARS GOES TO THE THOUSAND DOLLARS GOES TO THE BEST CONGRESSIONAL MAP.

BEST CONGRESSIONAL MAP.

BUT WHAT, EXACTLY, CONSTITUTES BUT WHAT, EXACTLY, CONSTITUTES "FAIR?"

"FAIR?"

THE GROUP SAYS ITS JUDGING WILL THE GROUP SAYS ITS JUDGING WILL BE BASED ON HOW WELL THE MAPS BE BASED ON HOW WELL THE MAPS KEEP CITIES AND COUNTIES WHOLE, KEEP CITIES AND COUNTIES WHOLE, WHETHER THEY UNFAIRLY ADVANTAGE WHETHER THEY UNFAIRLY ADVANTAGE ONE POLITICAL PARTY, AND HOW ONE POLITICAL PARTY, AND HOW WELL THEY KEEP TOGETHER WELL THEY KEEP TOGETHER "COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST," WHICH "COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST," WHICH IT DEFINES AS "GROUPS OF PEOPLE IT DEFINES AS "GROUPS OF PEOPLE IN A CONCENTRATED GEOGRAPHIC IN A CONCENTRATED GEOGRAPHIC AREA WHO SHARE SIMILAR AREA WHO SHARE SIMILAR INTERESTS, CONCERNS, OR INTERESTS, CONCERNS, OR PRIORITIES THAT NEED A VOICE IN PRIORITIES THAT NEED A VOICE IN GOVERNMENT."

GOVERNMENT."

NIKI KELLY, IS THIS A WAY TO NIKI KELLY, IS THIS A WAY TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON GETTING THE MOVE THE NEEDLE ON GETTING THE PUBLIC MORE INVESTED IN PUBLIC MORE INVESTED IN REDISTRICTING?

REDISTRICTING?

>> MAYBE.

>> MAYBE.

I HAVE A FEELING A LOT OF THE I HAVE A FEELING A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WILL GO ONLINE AND DO PEOPLE WHO WILL GO ONLINE AND DO THESE ARE PROBABLY ALREADY THESE ARE PROBABLY ALREADY REALLY INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS REALLY INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS ISSUE ANYWAY.

ISSUE ANYWAY.

BUT YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO BUT YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING SOME OF THEM.

SEEING SOME OF THEM.

I MIGHT GO ONLINE MYSELF AND I MIGHT GO ONLINE MYSELF AND MESS AROUND WITH IT.

MESS AROUND WITH IT.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HOW YOU I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HOW YOU JUDGE FAIRNESS.

JUDGE FAIRNESS.

I MEAN, THERE'S THE QUESTION OF I MEAN, THERE'S THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT DISADVANTAGES A WHETHER IT DISADVANTAGES A POLITICAL PARTY OR ANOTHER, BUT POLITICAL PARTY OR ANOTHER, BUT IN ORDER TO JUDGE THAT, YOU IN ORDER TO JUDGE THAT, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PULT THE PUT TE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PULT THE PUT TE POLITICAL DATA IN, WHICH IS POLITICAL DATA IN, WHICH IS ALLEGEDLY NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE ALLEGEDLY NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.

DOING.

SO I'M FASCINATED TO SEE WHAT SO I'M FASCINATED TO SEE WHAT SOME PEOPLE COME UP WITH.

SOME PEOPLE COME UP WITH.

>> THERE IS THE JUDGING >> THERE IS THE JUDGING CRITERIA.

CRITERIA.

OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE THINGS YOU OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO LEGALLY IN TERMS OF HAVE TO DO LEGALLY IN TERMS OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, BUT THIS THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, BUT THIS IS COMPLICATED AND IT WILL BE IS COMPLICATED AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE FIRST HOW INTERESTING TO SEE FIRST HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY GET TO ACTUALLY MANY PEOPLE THEY GET TO ACTUALLY DO THE MAPS AND POTENTIALLY WIN DO THE MAPS AND POTENTIALLY WIN THIS MONEY AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS MONEY AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT MOVES THE NEEDLE WITH THAT MOVES THE NEEDLE WITH LAWMAKERS IS I SUPPOSE ANOTHER LAWMAKERS IS I SUPPOSE ANOTHER QUESTION ENTIRELY.

QUESTION ENTIRELY.

UNFORTUNATELY THAT WILL HAVE TO UNFORTUNATELY THAT WILL HAVE TO BE IT FOR THIS WEEK.

BE IT FOR THIS WEEK.

THAT IS "INDIANA WEEK IN THAT IS "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW."

REVIEW."

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