>> A PUSH FOR A CLEAN SLATE IN ALBANY, SEEK AND APPARENTLY YOU SHALL FIND CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, GETS REAL.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED ON THE PANEL TONIGHT BY NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY, AND LUKE PERRY FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

THERE'S A RENEWED PUSH IN ALBANY TO PASS THE CLEAN SLATE ACT.

THAT'S A BILL THAT WOULD SEAL NEW YORKER'S CRIMINAL RECORDS AS SOON AS THREE YEARS AFTER THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR SENTENCE.

ADVOCATES SAY IT WILL HELP FORMER PRISONERS INTEGRATE INTO SOCIETY BY ENABLING THEM TO GET BETTER JOBS AND HOUSING.

OPPONENTS SAY EMPLOYERS AND OTHERS NEED TO KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME.

SHOULD THIS BILL BECOME LAW?

>> ABSOLUTELY IT SHOULD.

I THINK THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

CONCERNS FOR EDUCATORS ABOUT KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT EMPLOYEES HAVE A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND BECAUSE CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, ARE A PROTECTED CLASS AND A GROUP WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

BUT THE BENEFITS OF THIS, I THINK, ARE ASTRONOMICAL, WHEN YOU HEAR THAT CONVICTED FELONS, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND JOBS, THAT EQUALS $7.1 BILLION IN STATE REVENUE THAT'S LOST.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

AND YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE INABILITY TO GET A GOOD JOB, THE INABILITY TO GET HOUSING, MAKE IT EVEN HARDER FOR SOMEONE TO STAY OUT OF PRISON AND OFTEN IS THE REASON PEOPLE END UP BACK IN PRISON.

I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, THIS SHOULD BE PASSED.

>> WHEN YOU SAID STATE REVENUE THAT'S LOST, YOU ARE REFERRING TO IF THEY HAD A JOB, THEY WOULD BE PAYING TAXES.

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?

>> YES.

>> NO, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD, NOT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW.

CURRENTLY THE VERSION RELEASED ON THE 13th OF THIS MONTH, DOES NOT DIFFERENT WAIT THE FELONY CONVICTIONS OF VIOLENT OFFENDERS OR NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS.

SO IF YOU ARE CONVICTED OF MURDER, YOU ARE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME AS IF YOU GOT CHARGED WITH A FELONY OF OBTAINING PROPERTY BY FALSE PRETENSE, WHICH IS PASSING A BAD CHECK.

I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE PASSED THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.

>> I'M SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN BEN AND TARA IN THAT I RECOGNIZE THAT THE WAY THAT WE HANDLE REINTEGRATION INTO SOCIETY NOW IS MORE HARMFUL TO PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL AS TO OFFENDERS.

WE ALREADY ATTACHED ALL SORTS OF COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES SUCH AS DENYING A PERSON ACCESS TO PUBLIC HOUSING, ACCESS TO FEDERALLY-BACKED STUDENT LOANS.

AND IF WE WANT THEM TO BECOME CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

BUT I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, A BLANKET APPROACH TO ALL TOGETHER DENYING OR ALL TOGETHER BANNING THE BOX SO TO SPEAK, IS NOT GOOD.

IT SHOULD BE CALIBRATED ON AN INDUSTRY BASIS SO THAT, AS TARA SUGGESTED, THERE ARE SOME JOBS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A BAN ON CERTAIN CONVICTS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE CONVICTED OF CHILD MOLESTATION OR ABUSE TO BE A TEACHER OR CHILD CARE WORKER.

PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE WHO DOES OR HAS DONE A DRUG DEALING, TO BE ABLE TO SELL GUNS, RIGHT, LEGALLY OR, FOR THAT MATTER, TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF MURDER, HAVE ACCESS TO ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE TOWARDS THINKING OF WHERE IT IS WHOLLY UNNECESSARY TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT A PERSON'S CRIMINAL BACKGROUND.

BEING A JANITOR.

WORKING IN A RESTAURANT AND OTHER SORTS OF INDUSTRIES, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE HARM TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT NEARLY AS... >> WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT SEX CRIMES ARE NOT A PART OF THIS.

IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE CONVICTED OF, YOU CAN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OR WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE-- HAVE YOUR RECORD SEALED.

AND ALSO THIS IS A CIVIL SEAL.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER, LET'S SAY, YOU STILL-- THEY COULD STILL CHECK, RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> YOU WOULDN'T BECOME A POLICE OFFICER IF YOU HAD... >> YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE A TEACHER IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE BACKGROUND CHECK FOR ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO THOSE JOBS THAT THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL REQUIRES A BACKGROUND CHECK WITH FINGERPRINTS.

SO THAT'S THE CONCERN THOUGH THAT I SEE THAT'S BLANKETLY OVERLOOKED IS THE VIOLENT CRIME ASPECT BECAUSE THE RECIDIVISM RATE WITH VIOLENT OFFENDERS IS AROUND 60% AND THEY DON'T JUST COMMIT OTHER CRIMES.

THEY COMMIT ADDITIONAL VIOLENT CRIMES.

>> BUT, AND I WANT TO BRING LUKE IN ON THIS.

I'M WONDERING WHETHER THIS COULD REDUCE CRIME.

IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF THAT?

IF THEY'RE IN A BETTER JOB AND A BETTER SITUATION, THEY MIGHT BE LESS LIKELY TO RECOMMIT.

>> WELL, I THINK TARA SPOKE TO THAT IN PART, YOU KNOW, IN THINKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO DECREASE RECIDIVISM, WHICH IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.

IT RAISES LARGER PROBLEMS ABOUT WHY PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES.

IS IT A MATTER OF INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, IS IT A MATTER OF SOCIAL CONTEXT?

IS IT A MATTER OF GENETIC PREDISPOSITION?

I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF INDIVIDUAL CHOICE.

LIKE SOME OTHERS HERE, I AM RELUCTANT TO ELIMINATE THE PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE GENERALLY IN A DEMOCRACY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY GREAT WHEN CITIZENS AND JOURNALISTS ARE FIGHTING TO ESTABLISH A PUBLIC RECORD.

I WONDER IN ADDITION TO FOCUSING ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF JOBS THAT THIS MIGHT BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR IS TO LOOK AT THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIMES.

I WOULD BE MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHEN IT IS APPLIED JUST TO MISDEMEANORS OPPOSED TO FELONIES AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE PART OF THE EQUATION YET.

>> YEAH, AND WE VIOLENCE-- WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE TYPES OF FELONIES AND RESID RECIDIVISM.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT AS YOU RIGHTLY POINT OUT, THE PROBLEM WITH RECIDIVISM, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT HAVING TO DO WITH THE COMMISSION OF A NEW CRIME.

SOMETIMES RECIDIVISM IS SIMPLY NOT REPORTING IN OR SHOWING UP LATE TO A JOB.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE WANT TO REDUCE RECIDIVISM ACROSS THE BOARD BUT 40% OF THOSE RECOMMITTED IS BECAUSE OF PAROLE VIOLATION.

>> BUT NOT WITH VIOLENT CRIME.

AT EVERY ABLE BRACKET, IT CONTINUES TO BE THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND THEY DO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIME AGAIN.

>> ISN'T THAT POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY IN THEIR 20s COMMITS A VIOLENT CRIME AND 20 OR 30 YEARS LATER THEY'RE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON MAKING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DECISION?

>> WE COULD DO ANECDOTAL THINGS ALL DAY BUT WHAT I'M POINTING OUT IS SPECIFICALLY.

>> 40% IS A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER.

>> THERE IS SYSTEMATIC RESEARCH TO SHOW THAT A PERSON REACHES A CERTAIN AGE AND THEY SORT OF CRESCENDO, THEY MAX OUT THEIR CRIMINALITY AND OLDER FOLKS TEND TO BE LESS INVOLVED.

AND AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, THERE IS A PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC.

>> OKAY MAYBE DONALD TRUMP WAS RIGHT-EVERYBODY HAS CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AT HOME!

AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY IT SEEMS, AS DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED IN THE HOMES OF JOE BIDEN AND MIKE PENCE.

NOW THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES HAS ASKED FORMER PRESIDENTS AND VICE PRESIDENTS TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY.

WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF MEDIA COVERAGE COMPARING BIDEN AND TRUMP'S SITUATIONS.

IS THE MEDIA COVERING THE DOCUMENT STORY FAIRLY?

IS THERE A DOUBLE STANDARD AT PLAY, AS SOME IN THE GOP HAVE CHARGED?

>> YES, THERE IS A DOUBLE STANDARD.

MEDIA COVERAGE IS NOT FAIR, DEPENDING ON WHICH PARTY YOU ARE IN YOU ARE GOING TO GO TO THE MEDIA THAT TENDS TO PUT THE SPIN THAT YOU LIKE.

ON TOP OF THAT, AS WE KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA IS DRIVING A LOT OF WHAT WE CLICK IN ON AND IT TENDS TO SILO US INTO WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AND EXPECT TO SEE.

WITH THAT SAID, THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.

WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE PENCE DOCUMENTS, SO FAR, WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED, AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAS BEEN FOUND IN BIDENS, IT IS LACKING THE MEN'SRYIA ASPECT OF THE CRIME, GUILTY ASPECT.

WITH THE TRUMP CASE IT HAS BOTH, DOING THE CRIME, THE OBJECT TRUCKS OF JUSTICE I'VE I'VE OBSTRUCTION OF CHARGE IN THE SEARCH WARRANT FOR TRUMP IS HARDER TO OVERCOME BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THERE, THAT THEY WILLFULLY AND CONTINUOUSLY WITH HELD THOSE DOCUMENTS.

>> I THINK ABOUT THAT ALSO BECAUSE INTENT MATTERS.

IF WE ARE JUMPING INTENT IN THAT TRUMP BLOCKED THE FBI AND DID EVERYTHING HE COULD TO NOT LET THEM IN, THAT WOULD BE ONE TELL TALE SIGN THAT THERE IS BAD INTENT.

HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS, AND TO YOUR QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A DOUBLE STANDARD HERE MANY FOLKS HAVE SAID THAT THE DIFFERENCE WITH TRUMP IS THAT HE HAD HUNDREDS OF DOCUMENTS, WHEREAS WITH BIDEN, HE ONLY HAD A HANDFUL.

WELL, IF IT'S ONE PAGE OF THE NUCLEAR CODES, OR ONE PAGE OF CIA AGENTS, THAT DOESN'T MATTER, RIGHT?

BUT TO THE BIGGER QUESTION OF THIS DOUBLE STANDARD, I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THE DOUBLE STANDARD HERE ISN'T WITH RESPECT TO THE MEDIA, BUT WITH RESPECT TO HOW THE FBI HAS TREATED HIGH LEVEL OFFICIALS VERSUS LOW LEVEL.

AND IN THIS CASE, PRESIDENTS.

I'M THINKING HERE OF DAVID PATRIS WHO MISHANDLED CLASSIFIED MATERIALS AND WAS CRIMINALLY PROSECUTED AND PLEAD GUILTY TO A MISDEMEANOR AND SUFFERED PENALTIES.

I THINK THE SAME THING WOULD HAPPEN WITH A RANK AND FILE WHITE HOUSE EMPLOYEE.

>> AND JUST REAL QUICK, THAT SPEAKS TO THE PROCEDURAL ISSUE THAT IS AT THE HEART OF THIS.

THE GENERAL HAD THE TRAINING AND GOT ACCESS TO TOP SECRET INFORMATION THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND THERE ARE PROCEDURES IN PLACE.

YOUR-- YOU ARE ELECTED PRESIDENT, YOU AUTOMATICALLY GET THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CLEARANCE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROPER TRAINING AND WHEN YOU LEAVE OFFICE, THAT IS POINTING TO A PROCEDURAL ASPECT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

WHEN PRESIDENTS ARE LEAVING OFFICE, STEPS ARE TAKEN SO THEY'RE NOT TAKING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION WITH THEM.

>> IN LEADS TO ANOTHER ISSUE.

THERE IS CLASSIFIED AND THERE IS CLASSIFIED, RIGHT?

I MEAN WE CLASSIFY A HECK OF A LOT OF INFORMATION.

SO MAYBE THE PROBLEM THERE IS TOO MUCH STUFF BEING CLASSIFIED.

>> I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.

THERE WAS A PRESENTATION LAST NIGHT ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS CNN OR C-SPAN WHERE YOU HAD PEOPLE FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES TALKING ABOUT THE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOCUMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THAT THEY HAVE TO CLASSIFY, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING WHAT IS TOP SECRET INFORMATION VERSUS INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED, BUT IS NOT TOTALLY TOP SECRET; THE DIFFERENT LEVELS.

AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT TO REALLY DO THIS JOB EFFECTIVELY, THEY NEED HUNDREDS MORE EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS, OF COURSE, THE TECHNOLOGY IN KEEPING UP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT-- AND THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE NOT QUITE FOUND ALL OF THE DETAILS ABOUT-- OKAY, AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU TURNING OVER THIS INFORMATION?

IN THAT THREE-HOUR TIMEFRAME THAT HAVE YOU TO CLEAR OUT ONE FAMILY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND GET THE OTHER FAMILY IN.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE CLEARED UP AS WELL IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOCUMENTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHIPPED OFF SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE YOU STOPPED BEING PRESIDENT VERSUS INFORMATION THAT IS BEING TRANSFERRED IN THAT THREE HOURS WHEN IT'S VERY EASY FOR HUMAN MISTAKES.

>> A PRESIDENT AND PRESIDENT'S STAFF ARE THE PRESIDENT RIGHT UP UNTIL THE INAUGURATION.

>> I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN INCREASED STAFFING, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD POINT, AND YOUR SUGGESTION WE CLASSIFY TOO MUCH.

I DON'T THINK THE SOLUTION IS CLASSIFYING LESS STUFF.

WAY ACCOUNT TO KEEP OUR MILITARY PERSONNEL AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND EMPLOYEES SAFE SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.

WHAT DOES TO TRY TO CORRECT THIS IN ADDITION TO STAFFING, HAVE AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT, ONE OR TWO WEEKS AFTER AN ADMINISTRATION LEAVES OFFICE, TO MAKE SURE AT THAT POINT, THAT ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT NEED TO BE-- THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND ELSEWHERE ARE THERE.

THAT SEEMS LIKE A SIMPLE STEP THAT COULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THIS.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS OF ALL OF THIS?

THERE IS A LOT THERE.

>> I THINK ONE HUGE POLITICAL TAKEAWAY HERE IS TO USE SOFT WORDS BECAUSE YOU MAY LATER HAVE TO EAT THEM.

AND WE ARE SEEING THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHERE INITIALLY THERE IS A TENDENCY TO SORT OF STRING UP THE OPPOSING PARTY AND THEN LATER THE PARTY THAT'S DOING IT LEARNS THE LESSON.

>> AND BIDEN DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB OF COPPING TO WHAT HAPPENED, RIGHT?

HE HELD THE INFORMATION, ONLY CONFIRMED WHAT REPORTERS FOUND OUT WEEKS AFTER THE FACT AND PULLED THE BAND-AID OFF, I TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.

I'M FULLY COOPERATING.

WE MADE MISTAKES AND I'LL FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED AND DEAL WITH THIS AS DIRECTLY AS POSSIBLE AND DEAL WITH THE BLOW BACK BUT THE WAY THEY HANDLED IT WAS WORSE.

>> NO REGRETS, RIGHT?

IT MAY MAKE IT HARDER FOR HIM, IF HE RUNS AGAIN, TO GO AFTER-- TO RUN AGAINST DONALD TRUMP FOR HIS DOCUMENT PROBLEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE REPUBLICANS TO GO AFTER JOE BIDEN BECAUSE THEIR GUY HAS DONE THE SAME THING.

>> THAT'S NOT A BAD THING; THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY STOP TALKING ABOUT WHERE DOCUMENTS ARE STORED AND ACTUALLY START TALKING ABOUT PROBLEMS.

>> YEAH, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE REPUBLICANS WILL FOCUS A DIFFERENT WAY, LIKE HE WAS VICE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME THEY TOOK THE DOCUMENTS AND A PRESIDENT CAN WAIVE WHETHER SOMETHING IS CLASSIFIED OR NOT.

THERE IS ALWAYS A LOOPHOLE.

>> LET'S TURN TO ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

ONE OF THE NEWEST FORMS OF A-I IS THE INCREASINGLY POPULAR PROGRAM CALLED CHAT GPT.

IT GENERATES LANGUAGE •MIMICS HUMAN CONVERSATION.

YOU CAN ASK IT A QUESTION AND GET A PRETTY ARTICULATE, ORIGINAL RESPONSE, IN WRITING.

IT'S DESIGNED FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE, BUT THINK OF THE IMPLICATIONS.

IT MIGHT WORK BETTER THAN SEARCHING FOR SOMETHING IN GOOGLE, IT COULD REPLACE KNOWLEDGE WORKERS, AND IT MIGHT WRITE OUR STUDENTS' PAPERS FOR THEM.

THIS COULD BE A BOON FOR EDUCATION •OR A THREAT.

LUKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK EDUCATORS ARE FACED WITH A MAJOR CHOICE TO EITHER WORK WITH THIS OR TRY TO WORK AROUND IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY WORK AGAINST IT.

ATTEMPTS TO BAN THE USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE AND DETECT.

SOME PEOPLE RESPOND AND SAY THEN I'LL INCORPORATE IT INTO MY CLASS.

ASSIGN STUDENTS TO DO THIS AND VIEW IT AS A TOOL LIKE A CALCULATOR THAT HAS BEEN ADAPTED IN MATH COURSES.

AND I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THAT.

I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WRITE.

I'M OF THE MIND SET OF TRYING TO WORK AROUND IT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

CREATE MORE PERSONALIZED IDIOSYNCRATIC ASSIGNMENTS THAT PUT STUDENTS IN A POSITION TO REFLECT MORE AND MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO THROW THAT ASSIGNMENT INTO ESSENTIALLY A SUPER COMPUTER AND HAVE IT SPIT OUT AN ANSWER.

>> A LOT OF PUSH OF DOING THINGS ONLINE AND EVERYBODY IS WORKING ON A COMPUTER BUT MAYBE WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE OLD FASHIONED WAY.

NINA?

>> I THINK THE OLD FASHIONED WAY PROBABLY BECAUSE I AM OLD FASHIONED PRODUCE, IN MY VIEW, BETTER WORK.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU WRESTLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SENTENCE, WHEN YOU WRESTLE WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF IDEAS, I THINK IS WHAT LUKE MIGHT HAVE BEEN GETTING AT, YOU ULTIMATELY PRODUCE A BETTER PRODUCT.

BUT IN THIS CASE, I SEE CHAT GPT AS AN INSTRUMENT, A TOOL THAT COULD BE USED FOR GOOD OR BAD.

I CAN USE IT TO ASK IT TO PUT TOGETHER A SPEECH ON THE FLY, TO SEARCH FOR THE BEST SOUL FOOD OR CARIBBEAN RESTAURANTS IN A GIVEN CITY.

THE FACT THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE USING IT FOR EVIL, BY HAVING IT WRITE THEIR RESEARCH PAPERS OR DO THEIR MATH HOME WORK PROBLEMS, I THINK, IS SIMPLY A FUNCTION OF IT BEING FASTER.

BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY A SOFTWARE PROGRAM CALLED PHOTO MATH WHERE STUDENTS CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF THEIR MATH PROBLEM AND HAVE IT SOLVED BY THAT SOFTWARE PROGRAM.

WE ALREADY KNOW-- NOT FOR US, BECAUSE WE EARNED OUR DEGREES EARNESTLY, BUT THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE OPTION TO PURCHASE RESEARCH PAPERS.

SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF A TIME SAVING DOCUMENT THAT, AS LUKE SAID OR PROGRAM, AS LUKE SAID, AS INSTRUCTORS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MORE CREATIVE AND MORE ADAPTIVE TO A CHANGING TECHNOLOGICAL ENVIRONMENT.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK CAN BE A POSITIVE OF THIS IS FOR ESL STUDENTS.

CERTAINLY NOT DOING A TEST, ET CETERA, BUT WHETHER THEY'RE AWAY FROM THE TEACHER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD PERHAPS HELP THEM IN TERMS OF WRITING PAPERS.

IT COULD ALSO HELP THEM IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING CERTAIN CONCEPTS, AS LONG AS THEY, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST HAVE ENOUGH OF A BASIS TO ASK THE QUESTION.

AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF CHAT GPT HAS A LANGUAGE OPTION, BUT IF IT HAS A LANGUAGE OPTION, SO THEY'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION PERHAPS IN THEIR TRADITIONAL LANGUAGE AND IT'S GIVING THEM AN ANSWER BUT THAT HELPS THEM BETTER ARTICULATE THAT ANSWER IN A CLASSROOM IN ENGLISH.

SO I THINK THAT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE VERY GOOD.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO CHALLENGE US AS TEACHERS TO BE MORE CREATIVE AND TO ALSO ASK MORE COMPLEX QUESTIONS.

AND THERE HAS BEEN A TREND, BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH DIVERSE POPULATIONS WITH SUCH DIVERSE PREPAREDNESS, TO SORT OF BE A LITTLE LESS CREATIVE SOMETIMES IN QUESTIONS SO THAT IT REACHES A LARGER AUDIENCE.

>> YEAH, AND I THINK OUR AUDIENCE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND WHAT A GOOGLE SEARCH DOES.

A GOOGLE SEARCH JUST PULLS THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY PUT TOGETHER.

WHAT THIS DOES IS IT TAKES FROM A LOT OF DATA THAT'S OUT THERE, PUTS IT TOGETHER THROUGH A STATISTICAL ALGORITHM TO GUESS WHAT WOULD BE SAID.

SO, WITH THAT SAID, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE FICTION VERSUS NON-EVICTION.

IT DOES MUCH BETTER WITH STORIES THAT ARE MADE UP RATHER THAN WITH THINGS THAT ARE CITED.

IN FACT THERE ARE A LOT OF EXAMPLES RECENTLY WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO USE IT TO WRITE LIKE THESIS PAPERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND IT IS CITE IS THINGS, BUT WHEN YOU GO AND CHECK THE THINGS THAT IT IS CITING, THEY'RE NOT CORRECT INFORMATION.

SO IT'S CONFIDENTLY REPORTING SOMETHING BACK AS IF IT'S A FACT, BUT IT'S PULLING FROM OPEN SOURCE INFORMATION LIKE WIKIPEDIA, THAT CAN GET CHANGED AT ANY POINT.

>> WE ALSO FOUND THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN USED TO PASS MBA CLASSES, TO PASS MEDICAL EXAMS.

NOT AT AN A LEVEL BUT A B TO C LEVEL WHICH SUGGESTS, TO YOUR GOOD POINTS, IT'S QUITE POWERFUL AND QUITE EFFECTIVE IN DOING TASKS THAT WE DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY EXPECT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO DO.

>> AND WILL IT GET BETTER OVER TIME AS IT HAS MORE DATA TO PULL FROM?

>> YES, BUT IT WILL ALSO GET BETTER AT PULLING FROM THAT DATA AND GET MORE CONFIDENT ABOUT ITS RESULTS BUT ONLY PULLING FROM THE DATA THAT'S THERE.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY ABOUT WHEN IT'S GOING TO REPORT.

NEW CREATIONS, CREATIVITY OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE DATA THAT'S THERE IS WHERE THE MAGIC IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> WE'VE ALL HAD THE VERY CONFIDENT STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT QUITE ACCURATE IN THE ANSWER, RIGHT?

>> OKAY, NOW IT'S TIME TO GO TO OUR As AND ESF.

SPEAKING-- AND FS, SPEAKING OF EDUCATION.

>> THE UNITED NATIONS REPORTS THAT IN ETHIOPIA, KENYA AND SOMALIA, OVER 20 MILLION CHILDREN ARE SUFFERING FROM THE WORST DROUGHT IN OVER 40 YEARS.

THEY FACE SEVERE HUNGER AND DISEASE.

NEARLY TWO MILLION NEED URGENT TREATMENT RIGHT NOW FOR THE DEADLIEST FORM OF HUNGER.

THIS IS ALL ON TOP OF THE EXTREME VIOLENCE THAT CLAIMS THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS EACH YEAR.

MY HOPE IS THAT THIS KIND OF SUFFERING, AT SOME POINT, CAPTURES THE ATTENTION OF POLICY MAKERS WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER MEANINGLESS STUFF.

>> TARA.

>> MY F GOES TO SPECTRUM NEWS AND THE READOUT AS SYMBOLS OF AN ONGOING IMMERSION OF ENTERTAINMENT AND POP CULTURE INTO THE NEWS AND POLITICAL COMMENTARY.

RECENTLY ON SPECTRUM NEWS, THE WEATHER REPORT AND SOME OF THE NEWS WAS INFUSED WITH FOOD REFERENCES.

ON THE READOUT JOY READ SOUNDS TOO HARD TO BE DOPE AND OUTRAGED.

MOST WANT CLEAR, AND ACCURATE NEWS REPORTING, NOT INFOTAINMENT.

>> MY F GOES TO A GOVERNOR THAT SOLD GAS.

OUR GOVERNOR HERE IN NEW YORK PUSHED IN LEGISLATION TO BAN GAS IN 2025 BUT AT HER HOUSE IN BUFFALO AND HER HOUSE IN ALBANY, SHE IS USING A GAS OVEN.

>> AND LUKE, YOUR F. >> TO LOUISIANA STATE PRISON SYSTEM.

A JUSTICE DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATION REPORTED THIS WEEK THAT 25% OF THEIR INMAIGHTS ARE IMPRISONED BEYOND THEIR RELEASE DATE OVER THE LAST DECADE DUE TO NEGLIGENCE.

NOT ACCEPTABLE.

>> NIEJ YAB ARTIST MALIK, IS USING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO CREATED IMAGES OF OLDER PEOPLE ON THE FASHION RUNWAY DECKED OUT IN SOME EYE POPPING BEAUTIFUL CLOTHES.

THE SERIES OF COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGES IS CALLED A FASHION SHOW FOR SENIORS, AND IT'S GOT OVER 100,000 LIKES ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW A.I.

IS A FORCE EVEN IN THE ART WORLD, THE WHOLE THING IS TRULY UNREAL.

>> TARA YOUR A.

>> MY A GOES TO HENDERSON TENNESSEE HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER JEFF WILKINS AND ENGINEERING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT CLASS.

WHEN A STUDENT JOINED THE CLASS WHO WAS MISSING A HAND OR HIS HAND WAS PARTIALLY DEVELOPED, BASICALLY HIS CLASSMATES DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO CREATE A HAND FOR HIM USING 3D TECHNOLOGY.

THEY CREATED A PROSTHETIC HAND.

>> AND BEN, YOUR A.

>> MY A IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS A.I., FUNNY ENOUGH WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT TODAY.

THERE IS A PROTOTYPE RIGHT NOW USING A.I.

AND A DRONE-LIKE CREATURE THAT IS WALKING AMONGST ITS PLANTS IN THE FARMS IS.

CAN GO UP TO 50 ACRES AT A TIME A DAY, CHECKING BOTH THE PLANTS BELOW AND ABOVE FOR DISEASE, INSECTS, PESTS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

AND IT WEIGHS ABOUT 33 POUNDS.

AND DOESN'T DAMAGE THE PLANTS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT IS SHAPED.

>> A FRIENDLY AND USEFUL ROBOT.

AND LUKE, YOUR A.

>> MY A GOES TO PROFESSOR MARV INDUNNE FROM FLORIDA NATIONAL UNIVERSITY AND ALL OUR COLLEAGUES IN FLORIDA WHO CONTINUE TO TEACH AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY IN LINE WITH PROFESSIONAL BEST PRACTICES OF THAT DISCIPLINE EVEN THOUGH VERY UNFORTUNATELY THIS HAS NOW BECOME AN ACT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

>> I WONDER THERE, IN FLORIDA, WITH THE GOVERNOR PUSHING AGAINST THAT IN THE A.P.

HISTORY CLASS, I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT IS JUST HIM DOING THINGS HE MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE DONE SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

>> CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION.

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