TANISHA: WELCOME TO "BASIC BLACK."

SOME OF YOU ARE JOINING US ON OUR BROADCAST AND OTHERS OF YOU ARE JOINING US ON OUR DIGITAL PLATFORMS.

I’M TANISHA SULLIVAN, YOUR HOST.

TONIGHT -- THE COST OF INHERITANCE.

AROUND THE COUNTRY AND HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS, REPARATIONS HAVE INVITED CRITICAL DEBATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE ISSUE.

THE NEW DOCUMENTARY, “THE COST OF INHERITANCE” WEAVES TOGETHER THE COMPLEX AND NUANCED HISTORY OF REPARATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES TOLD THROUGH EXPERTS, COMMUNITY INTEREST AND DESCENDANTS OF BOTH THOSE ENSLAVED AND THEIR ENSLAVERS.

BY PRESENTING THE PERSONAL STORIES IN THE FILM, VIEWERS WILL SEE HOW DESCENDANTS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE WORK TOGETHER TO SEEK RECONCILIATION AND REPAIR AROUND THIS INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED, DIVISIVE, AND INTIMATE SUBJECT.

YOU CAN WATCH “THE COST OF INHERITANCE” ON WORLD, GBH AND ON YOUTUBE.

JOINING ME TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE FILM, YORUBA RICHEN, AN AWARD-WINNING FILMMAKER AND DIRECTOR OF, "THE COST OF INHERITANCE."

RANDY QUARTERMAN IS THE FIFTH-GENERATION DESCENDANT OF ZEIKE QUARTERMAN, WHO WAS ENSLAVED BY GEORGE ADAM KELLER, AND CO-FOUNDER OF THE REPARATIONS PROJECT.

SARAH EISNER IS THE DESCENDANT OF GEORGE ADAM KELLER, ZEIKE QUARTERMAN’S ENSLAVER AND THE CO-FOUNDER OF THE REPARATIONS PROJECT.

AND CHRIS HASTINGS, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF AND EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF WORLD HERE AT GBH.

WELCOME TO YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU.

QUICK THANK YOU.

TANISHA: I AM EXCITED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

THE FILM IS PHENOMENAL, DEEPLY MOVING, THOUGHTFUL.

CERTAINLY INSPIRES THE VIEWER TO THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN I THINK A DIFFERENT WAY.

CAN YOU SHARE WITH US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TELL THE STORY?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WHEN I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECT THIS FILM, AND I KNEW IT WAS A FILM ABOUT REPARATIONS, I WAS IMMEDIATELY EXCITED AND INTRIGUED.

THE INITIAL THING I THOUGHT ABOUT AND THAT I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS HOW FAR OUR DISCUSSIONS ON REPARATIONS IN THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD HAVE COME.

GROWING UP IN THE 1980’S AND 1990’S, IT WAS A FRINGE ISSUE.

IT WAS CONSIDERED CRAZY TALK TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS, AND THE FACT THAT IT HAS IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS PENETRATED THE MAINSTREAM IN TERMS OF CONVERSATION, THE POLITICAL -- YOU KNOW, POLITICIANS HAVING TO ADDRESS IT AND HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, EXPOUND ON THEIR VIEWS AROUND IT, AND OF COURSE, THE PERSONAL EFFORTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY -- I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING PARTS OF MAKING THIS FILM, OF LEARNING ABOUT THESE EFFORTS THAT ARE HAPPENING BETWEEN DESCENDANTS OF ENSLAVED AND ENSLAVERS, BETWEEN WHAT IS HAPPENING INSTITUTIONALLY-WISE, RECKONING WITH THAT LEGACY OF SLAVERY, AND, OF COURSE, SUBSEQUENTLY, JIM CROW AND SEGREGATION, SO IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS REALLY THE TIME TO MAKE THIS FILM.

TANISHA: CAN YOU SHARE WHAT THIS WAS AN ATTRACTIVE PROJECT FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM AT "WORLD?"

>> FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE YORUBA WAS WORKING ON IT.

FOR US, WE TRY TO SHARE CONTENT ABOUT AND FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF DIVERSITY, AND THIS CONVERSATION ON REPARATIONS, WHICH FOR SOME PEOPLE IS A HARD CONVERSATION -- WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON WORK THAT BRINGS SOME OF THESE HARD CONVERSATIONS TO LIGHT.

WE WANTED TO ELEVATE THESE FILMMAKERS WITH THIS STORY IN OUR FLAGSHIP SERIES, "AMERICA REFRAIN."

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT REPARATIONS, YEARS AGO, IT WAS THOUGHT WE SHOULD NOT TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT HERE WE ARE IN 2024.

WE ARE ABOUT TO START AN ELECTION YEAR, AND IT MADE SENSE TO ME AND OTHERS THAT WE SHOULD CENTER THIS WORK, CENTER THIS RESEARCH, CENTER THE IDEA THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES REPARATIONS LOOK LIKE.

AND THE WORD "REPARATIONS" IS A HARD WORD FOR SOME.

FOR ME, I THINK OF IT AS REPAIR.

YEARS OF RACISM HAVE EXISTED IN THE U.S.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.

WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF RACISM AND START HEALING?

THIS FILM STARTS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

WHEN IT CAME TO ME, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, LET US DO IT.

>> JUST TO ADD, TOO, WE ARE IN A TIME PERIOD WHERE THERE ARE LITERALLY EFFORTS TRYING TO BAN THIS KIND OF HISTORY AND UNDERSTANDING OF OUR SHARED HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY, WHICH IS CRAZY TALK.

THE FACT THAT IT IS HAPPENING IS REALLY OUTRAGEOUS.

AGAIN, FOR A FILM LIKE THIS TO BE ABLE TO BE SEEN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT SOME POLITICIANS ARE TRYING TO BAN AND NOT HAVE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

TANISHA: WE ARE GOING TO GO TO A CLIP IN A MOMENT, BUT I JUST WANT, BEFORE WE GO TO THAT CLIP, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE STORY YOU BOTH ALLOWED TO BE TOLD IN THIS FILM IS DEEPLY COMPELLING.

IT IS COURAGEOUS AND MOVING IN SO MANY WAYS.

TRANSFORMATIVE IS PROBABLY A BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.

WE DEFINITELY WANT TO GIVE OUR VIEWERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS CLIP IN "THE COST OF INHERITANCE," WHERE WE LEARN HOW SARAH AND RANDY MEET AND WORK TOGETHER TO RECLAIM THE 10 ACRES OF LAND GIVEN TO ZEIKE QUARTERMAN BY SAMUEL KELLER.

SO, I AM GOING TO INVITE VIEWERS TO TAKE A LOOK.

>> IN 2019, I WAS SPEAKING WITH MY COUSIN BILL, WHO LIVES IN THE SAVANNAH AREA.

BILL SAID THE QUARTERMAN FAMILY STILL OWN THIS PLOT OF 10 ACRES OF LAND THAT KELLER GAVE QUARTERMAN.

>> WHEN WE FOUND OUT THE LAND WAS GIVEN TO ZEIKE, HE CAME ALIVE AGAIN TO US.

>> IN AUGUST 2019, I HAD AN EMAIL FROM SARAH ACKNOWLEDGING WHO HER FAMILY WAS, AND IF I WAS A DESCENDANT OF ZEIKE QUARTERMAN, WHO WAS ENSLAVED BY GEORGE ALLEN KELLER.

I WAS JUST TAKEN OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT.

>> I WAS DEFINITELY NERVOUS AND SCARED.

>> MY QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE THEY DOING HERE?

WHAT’S GOING ON?

>> I REMEMBER THINKING, WHAT HAVE I DONE?

WHAT IF THEY YELL AT ME?

IF THEY DO, THEY DO.

THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE ANGRY.

>> I CONSULTED WITH SOMEBODY THAT WAS DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK AND UNDERSTANDING.

>> YOU ARE STANDING ON A SACRED GROUND.

>> SHE TOLD ME, SAID, HEY, YOUR ANCESTOR IS ON YOUR BACK.

THIS IS A SPECIAL MOMENT FOR YOU.

YOU NEED TO ENGAGE.

>> IT’S RIGHT HERE.

1, 2, 3, 4 -- AND IT’S STAGGERED INTO A CORNER, LIKE WHERE A HOUSE WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, WE KNOW THIS AS HEIRS PROPERTY.

LAND PASSED DOWN THROUGH GENERATIONS THAT HAS NO WILL TO SAVE THIS PERSON OWNS THE LAND.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ZEIKE’S HOUSE.

THIS STRUCTURE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIVED IN.

BUT THE LAND WAS NOT IN OUR POSITION.

A COURT-APPOINTED LAWYER BECAME THE EXECUTOR OF OUR PROPERTY.

THEN SARAH WAS LIKE, HEY, I REALLY WANT TO GET YOU SOME HELP TO TRY TO CLEAR THIS TITLE.

>> I THOUGHT, THIS IS SO OBVIOUSLY THE CASE FOR REPARATIONS BECAUSE AMERICA’S FIRST ATTEMPT AT REPARATIONS RIGHT IN THAT AREA.

TANISHA: WOW, AND THAT’S JUST THE BEGINNING.

I WANT TO START WITH YOU BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE DIALOGUE AROUND REPARATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY TENDS TO BE DIVISIVE, HYPER POLARIZED, AND THERE IS A LOT OF FEAR INVOLVED IN THE WORK.

SO I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO EMBRACE THAT FEAR AND ACTUALLY MAKE THE FIRST STEP TO REACH OUT TO RANDY.

LEXI, I AM HAPPY TO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME AND FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.

I CONSIDER MYSELF VERY FORTUNATE THAT MY FAMILY TOLD ME THE TRUTH .

OUR HISTORY FROM THE TIME I WAS A LITTLE GIRL.

I KNEW THAT MY ANCESTORS HAD BEEN ENSLAVERS AND THAT IT WAS NOT OK.

I WAS NOT TAUGHT, "WE SUFFERED SO MUCH AFTER THE CIVIL WAR."

I WAS TAUGHT, "THIS WAS A HORRIBLE SYSTEM AND WE WERE PART OF IT."

TO START OUT, THERE WAS NOT ANY FEAR FOR ME ABOUT BUTTING UP AGAINST MY FAMILY.

I’M VERY LUCKY THAT I HAD THEIR SUPPORT FROM DAY ONE.

BUT, OF COURSE, IT TOOK ME -- I DID A LOT OF WORK.

I TOOK A COURSE CALLED "HOLDING WHITENESS RESPONSIBLY" BY LAURA BREWER.

I JOINED A GROUP THAT BRINGS BLACK AND WHITE DESCENDANTS TO THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT HEALING.

I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT HOW COULD I APPROACH THE DESCENDANT OF SOMEONE MY ANCESTOR HAD ENSLAVED IF I WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND THEM?

I DIDN’T REALLY PREPARE MYSELF IN TERMS OF WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, WHAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE, WHAT SHOULD I OFFER, RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, HEY, HERE’S WHO I AM.

I DID PREPARE A LOT, AND STILL, IT WAS SCARY.

THIS WORK IS MOVING THROUGH THE SHAME OF OUR PAST AS A COUNTRY AND AS A FAMILY.

IT IS PAINFUL AND IT IS SCARY TO BE VULNERABLE AND MAKE CONNECTIONS WITH PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHOSE FAMILY YOU ARE CONNECTED TO THROUGH DECADES AND GENERATIONS OF TRAUMA.

BUT I REALLY REMINDED MYSELF, LIKE, I MIGHT BE AFRAID, BUT I’M NOT REALLY IN DANGER IN ANY WAY IN THE SAME WAY THAT BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA HAVE BEEN ENDANGERED FOR SO LONG.

IF I CAN’T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WORK THROUGH MY FEAR ABOUT JUST TALKING TO SOMEONE, THEN, OH, MY GOSH, I’VE GOT A REALLY BIG PROBLEM.

MY CHOICE TO MOVE THROUGH THAT PROBLEM, BECAUSE IT WAS A SMALL, PERSONAL FEAR, IS SOMETHING THAT I HOPE A LOT MORE WHITE PEOPLE CAN DO, AND I WILL ADD THAT IT RESULTED IN ONLY INCREDIBLE RELATIONSHIPS, AND I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HEAL AND HAVE RACIAL REPAIR IN ADDITION TO IT COMING FROM THE TOP DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IS TO HEAL ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO CREATE RELATIONSHIPS.

TANISHA: "RELATIONSHIPS."

RANDY, THE FILM DOES TALK ABOUT HOW YOU INITIALLY EXPERIENCED SARAH’S OUTREACH.

AT THE END OF THE FILM, YOU AND SARAH ARE IN A CLASSROOM, AND BOTH OF YOU ARE REFLECTING ON HOW YOU FEEL OR WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN.

YOUR STORY IS SIMILAR BUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF HOW YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS PROCESS.

YOU START WITH FEAR, AND TOWARD THE END OF THE FILM, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW HEAVY THIS HAS BEEN, HOW TIRING THIS HAS BEEN.

CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THIS EXPERIENCE?

>> SURE.

FOR ME, GROWING UP, AND OF COURSE, A LOT OF BLACKS UNDERSTAND IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD, YOU DON’T ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS.

CERTAIN TRAUMA OF HISTORY IS NOT SPOKEN OF, LIKE HOW SARAH WAS HAVING THAT HISTORY LESSON GOING ON AND ON.

WE DON’T HAVE THAT.

THE THING WAS, GOING THROUGH HEIRS’PROPERTY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD THIS LAND, AND I UNDERSTOOD KELLER DID OWN MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILY, BUT WE NEVER ASKED HOW OR WHY OR WHEN, SO TO UNDERSTAND WE LOST AN ACRE OF LAND BY EMINENT DOMAIN, AND THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SAYING, YOU KNOW, GOOD LUCK WITH CLEAR YOUR TITLE.

TO SAY WE HAD ALREADY LOST.

FOR SARAH TO COME AROUND AND OPEN THIS DOOR FOR ME TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE ALL THIS, RIGHT?

BUT NOT ONLY BY PROPERTY, BY FAMILY HISTORY -- YEAH, I MIGHT LOOK AT REPARATIONS, EVEN FOR ME, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT AS A BLACK MAN.

THAT AIN’T NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU ARE IN THAT SHOE AND THINGS START HAPPENING FOR YOU THAT YOU START WORKING TOWARDS THAT.

YOU START UNDERSTANDING HOW IN-DEPTH THIS IS AND WHAT RESPONSIBILITY YOU HAVE AS A BLACK PERSON TO GO TOWARD NASTY FIGHT FOR REPARATIONS, WHICH WE ARE FOOD, RIGHT?

IN THE END, WHEN I’M TALKING ABOUT TIRESOME, IT IS MORE UNDERSTANDING WHAT ZEIKE WENT THROUGH.

TO SAY THAT HE WAS AN ENSLAVED MAN.

NOT A MAN, AN ENSLAVED MEN, THAT ENDURED BEING PROPERTY.

TO CARRY THAT WEIGHT IS A LOT.

TANISHA: WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT HAVE MADE, DO YOU THINK, IF ZEIKE QUARTERMAN’S HOUSE HAD ACTUALLY BECOME THE HOME FOR THE QUARTERMAN FAMILY?

>> THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT WOULD HAVE INSTILLED PRIDE IN US, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, KNOWING THAT HE WAS ENSLAVED IN THIS COUNTRY, HOW CAN THAT BALANCE THAT, RIGHT?

IT’S NOT LIKE HE CAME FROM AFRICA, IMMIGRATED HERE, AND SEARCH FOR A BETTER WORLD.

NO, HE WAS BASICALLY TRANSPORTED AND STOLEN FROM HIS OWN LAND TO COME HERE TO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, SO THAT RIGHT THERE, HOW CAN WE BUILD ON THAT IF THAT IS NEVER ADDRESSED?

TANISHA: IN THE FILM, ONE OF THE KEY THEMES IS ABOUT LAND AND THE FIGHT FOR LAND.

IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE QUARTERMAN FAMILY’S FIGHT TO RECLAIM LAND THAT WAS OWED TO THEM OR WE TALK ABOUT BLACK FARMERS AND LAND THAT WAS IN MANY RESPECTS TAKEN AWAY FROM BLACK FARMERS, DENIED TO BLACK FARMERS.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE POWER OF LAND IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS REPARATIONS BATTLE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I FEEL LIKE AFRICAN-AMERICANS, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY, THE IDEAS -- THE IDEA IS THAT WE ARE DISCONNECTED FROM LAND, THAT WE ARE ONLY IN URBAN CENTERS, AND WE KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE BECAUSE SO MANY OF US HAVE FAMILY THAT ARE FROM THE SOUTH, THAT OWN LAND STILL EVEN TODAY, AS WE SEE WITH RANDY’S FAMILY, BUT WE DON’T HEAR THOSE STORIES, I GUESS IS WHAT I’M SAYING.

TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A HISTORY OF FARMING -- A BLACK FARMER TELLS US IN A FILM, WE HAD HIGH NUMBERS OF FARMING, AND FOR MANY REASONS, FOR DISPOSSESSION, FOR GREAT MIGRATION OF TERRORISM IN THE SOUTH, WE LOST THAT.

NOT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE LOANS AND LAND, THIS IS WHAT THE PROMISE WAS, YOU KNOW?

THIS WAS 40 ACRES AND A MULE WAS REALLY 40 ACRES.

THAT WAS IN THE AREA WHERE RANDY’S FAMILY IS FROM, SARAH’S FAMILY IS FROM.

THAT WAS THE FIRST SHOOT WE DID, THE FIRST FILMING WE DID WITH THESE GUYS.

AND LEARNING -- I DID NOT EVEN KNOW THE FULL STORY OF SHERMAN AND THE BLACK FARMERS ASKING FOR -- YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SAID, WHAT DO YOU WANT, AND THEY SAID 40 ACRES -- WE WANT LAND.

THAT WAS THE PROMISE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY QUICKLY, THIS IDEA, TOO, THAT WE SAY, OH, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN -- WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, A BLACK PRESIDENT WE THOUGHT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

MARRIAGE EQUALITY.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AND THEY HAVE HAPPENED IN MY LIFETIME.

WE THOUGHT REPARATIONS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, WOULD NEVER GO THIS FAR, AND WE SEE HOW FAR IT HAS GONE.

WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO, OF COURSE, ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT THINGS HAVE BEEN THAT WE THINK WILL NEVER HAPPEN, AND I’M HOPEFUL THAT WILL BE THE CASE WITH REPARATIONS.

TANISHA: THE FILM ALSO DOES EXPLORE HOW LONG THIS MOVEMENT HAS BEEN BUILDING AND HOW IT HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE POINT OF ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED AND THINKING ABOUT THE FIGHT THAT THE BLACK FARMERS HAVE BEEN IN AND WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH.

I WONDER IN THIS MOMENT, HOW YOU , SARAH, BELIEVE THIS MOVEMENT CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY IN THIS POLITICAL CONTEXT.

>> IF I COULD TELL YOU HOW I THINK THE FEDERAL EFFORT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, I WOULD BE OUT THERE IN POLITICS.

WHEN I THINK WHAT I HAVE SEEN HAPPEN AND HOW I HAVE SEEN MOVING FORWARD IS, YOU KNOW, LOCALLY, YOU ARE SEEING LOTS OF DIFFERENT STATES AND CITIES AND TOWNS AND UNIVERSITIES LIKE GEORGETOWN IN THE FILM, NOT WAIT AND GO AHEAD AND STUDY REPARATIONS, UNCOVER THE HARM THAT WAS A DONE LOCALLY, WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP, AND WHICH IS WHAT, AS YOU MENTIONED, NATIONALLY WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, AND THAT IS WHAT IS SO INFURIATING.

YOU HAVE UNCOVER THE HISTORY, MAKE CONNECTIONS, WORK TOWARD REPAIR, AND THEN TAKE ACTION.

THE ACTION, HOPEFULLY WOULD LOVE TO DIFFERENT PLACES -- CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK -- THE ACTION WILL EVENTUALLY HOPEFULLY HAPPEN, BUT AT LEAST THESE PLACES ARE UNCOVERING HISTORY, MAKING CONNECTIONS, AND DOING THE WORK TOWARD REPAIR.

THAT’S WHAT WE HOPE WE ARE DOING WITH THE REPARATIONS PROJECT ON AN INTERPERSONAL LEVEL.

WE ALSO SEE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS THE WHITE SUPPORT NATIONWIDE FOR REPARATIONS INCREASING YEAR TO YEAR.

WE ARE PART OF CONTINUING THAT INCREASE, NOT JUST THE WORK THAT RANDY AND I DO, BUT A LOT OF THE EFFORTS, LIKE LOTS OF DIFFERENT INTERPERSONAL EFFORTS GOING ON ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT I KNOW THEY COULD NOT FIT IN TO 55 MINUTES.

TOGETHER I THINK WE ARE CREATING RELATIONSHIPS AND WATCHING BEFORE OUR EYES -- I’M WATCHING WHITE PEOPLE I KNOW IN HEARING THESE PERSONAL STORIES CHANGE THEIR MIND.

YOU KNOW, ABOUT IF REPARATIONS ARE A REAL THING THAT CAN HAPPEN.

TANISHA: THANK YOU.

I WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER CLIP.

IN THIS CLIP FROM THE FILM, "THE COST OF INHERITANCE," WE LEARN ABOUT THE EARLY BEGINNINGS OF REPARATIONS AND CALLIE HOUSE, A LEADER IN THE REPARATIONS MOVEMENT.

TAKE A LOOK.

>> REPARATIONS HAS BEEN HERE AND HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR GENERATIONS, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

PEOPLE WORK KNOCKING ON THE DOOR SAYING WE ARE OWED FOR OUR LABOR.

>> CALLIE HOUSE, SHE WAS BORN A SLAVE.

SHE WENT ALL AROUND THE COMMUNITY TELLING OTHER BLACK PEOPLE THAT THEY OUGHT TO ASK THE GOVERNMENT TO GET SOME MONEY.

THEY WERE POOR AND DESPERATE BY 1900.

SHE HAD 300,000 JEWS-PAYING MEMBERS.

IT WAS THE LARGEST ORGANIZATION OF BLACK FOLK THAT HAD EXISTED.

PRETTY SOON, HER ACTIVITIES CAME TO THE ATTENTION OF THE GOVERNMENT.

THEY CONVICTED HER OF FRAUD.

THE FEDERAL CHARGE WAS THAT AT A TIME WHEN YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULDN’T EVER GIVE NEGROES ANYTHING, WHY WOULD YOU TELL NEGROES THEY SHOULD ORGANIZE TO GET SOMETHING?

THEY SENT HER TO PRISON TO SERVE A ONE-YEAR TERM.

SHE GOT OUT OF PRISON AND WENT BACK TO NASHVILLE TO THIS SHOTGUN HOUSE.

SHE GOT CANCER AND SHE DIED.

YOU CAN DRAW A DIRECT LINE FROM CALLIE HOUSE TO THE REPARATIONS MOVEMENT TODAY.

TANISHA: WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE REPARATIONS MOVEMENT IS THAT IT HAS, UP UNTIL THIS POINT, REALLY FOCUSED ON MOVING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, MOVING STATE GOVERNMENTS TO TAKE ACTION.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOUR STORY REALLY DOES HIGHLIGHT IS THE POWER OF PERSONAL REPARATIONS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL TAKING ACTION.

CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE WORK, AGAIN, THAT YOU AND SARAH HAVE BEEN DOING TOGETHER THROUGH THE REPARATIONS PROJECT?

>> SURE.

WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THE LAND, I THOUGHT OF, WHAT WOULD WE DO FOR THE LAND?

BECAUSE IT’S NOTHING THERE.

NOBODY IS LIVING ON OUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.

WE TALKED ABOUT BLACK EDUCATION WAS IMPORTANT TO US.

LANDRY DRESS WAS IMPORTANT TO US.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT BLACK ART.

BUT AS FAR AS BLACK EDUCATION GOES, WE END UP GETTING DONORS FROM WHITE FOLKS THAT BELIEVE IN THIS WORK.

WE WOULD PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR STUDENTS, THE BLACK STUDENTS .

SO FAR, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OVER 20.

THOSE STUDENTS ARE FIGHTING FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE.

FOR ME, JUST WATCHING THEM ARTICULATE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS SO INSPIRING THAT THIS WORK, WORKING WITH SARAH TO SHOW THAT FROM WHITE FOLKS’ PERSPECTIVE, DO NOT FEAR IT.

EMBRACE IT.

FROM A BLACK FOLKS’ PERSPECTIVE, I’M NOT COMING IN THIS ANGRY LIKE YOU ENSLAVE MY FAMILY.

LET’S SEE HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND BUILD SOMETHING BETTER SO OUR NATION CAN UNDERSTAND THIS COULD BE A BIGGER THING IF IT WORKS.

TANISHA: THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AGAIN, THE FILM IS DEEPLY COMPELLING.

CERTAINLY SPEAKS TO THE WORK OF CHRIS AND HIS TEAM AND "WORLD" AND THE POWER OF STORYTELLING, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE COURAGE THAT IT TAKES FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BE WILLING TO SIT TOGETHER, TO WORK THROUGH TOUGH CONVERSATIONS AND TOUGH HISTORY, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL.

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