>>> THE DON'T SAY GAY FIGHT COMES TO OHIO.

♪♪ ♪♪ >>> JOINING US ON ""COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD"" ANDREW TOBIAS, DESIREE TIPS AND SHANE JONES, FORMER STATE'S LEGISLATOR.

THEY WILL CONSIDER A BILL THAT LIMITS WHAT TEACHERS CAN TEACH STUDENTS ABOUT LGBT ISSUES.

IT'S MODELED AFTER A LAW IN FLORIDA AND UNDER CONSIDERATION IN OTHER STATES.

SUPPORTERS CALL THEM PARENTAL RIGHTS IN EDUCATION BILLS.

DETRACTORS CALL THEM DON'T SAY GAY BILLS.

THE MEASURE WOULD PROHIBIT TEACHERS FROM TEACHING ABOUT SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY IN KINDERGARTEN THROUGH THIRD GRADE.

THEY COULD NOT TEACH LGBT ISSUES THAT ARE NOT AGE APPROPRIATE.

TEACHERS AND PRINCIPALS COULD LOSE THEIR LIE ACCEPTS IF THEY VIOLATE THE LAW.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS COULD LOSE STATE FUNDING.

ANDREW TOBIAS, I GUESS AFTER THE FLORIDA CONTROVERSY IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME THIS WOULD SHOW UP IN OHIO.

WHAT WAS THE MOTIVATION BEHIND THIS LEGISLATION?

>> FIRST OF ALL, I WILL POINT OUT THAT ANYBODY WHO'S RUNNING IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY WANTS TO HAVE SOMETHING BUT THIS SBIL KIND OF A CONTINUATION OF CONCERN ON THE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT THEY VIEW AS CREATING DIFFERING ELEMENTS, A CULTURAL INSTITUTION.

IN THIS CASE THE CONCERN IN SCHOOLS IS THAT TEACHERS MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT GENDER IDENTITY OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION THAT KIDS ARE HEARING.

BASICALLY A RIGHT TO HAVE CONTROL OVER THE INFORMATION THAT ARE SHARED WITH THEIR CHILDREN.

IT'S A CULTURAL ISSUE.

CRITICS SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MARGINALIZE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS.

TEACHERS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO BE RESTRICTED FROM SAYING.

CERTAINLY IT'S NOT SURPRISING TO HEAR IT COME UP IN OHIO BECAUSE IT'S A CULTURAL FIGHT HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> IS THIS AN ISSUE LOOKING FOR A CONTROVERSY?

ARE THERE A LOT OF TEACHERS DOING LESSONS ON LGBT ISSUES, GENDER IDENTITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION IN SECOND GRADE IN OHIO?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, PERHAPS IT IS A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM BECAUSE NOBODY REALLY HAS BEEN ABLE TO SURFACE A SECRET CURRICULUM TO INDOCTRINATE YOUNG CHILDREN.

I THINK ANDREW IS EXACTLY RIGHT, IS THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE SO-CALLED CULTURE WAR ISSUES THAT THE RIGHT HAS DECIDED TO, YOU KNOW, ADVANCE AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF IDENTIFYING THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.

BUT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY TO SOLVE IT RIGHT NOW.

>> IS THIS MOTIVATION BEHIND SOME OF THESE FOLKS, THEY SAY, THAT PARENTS SHOULD HAVE MORE OF A SAY IN WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN THEIR SCHOOL?

AND DO THEY HAVE A POINT AND WHERE IS THAT LINE?

ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNGER KIDS.

>> I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GETS MORE AND MORE EXTREME BY THE DAY.

THE OHIO VERSION OF THE BILL GOES A BIT FURTHER THAN THE FLORIDA VERSION OF THE BILL AND NOT ONLY DOES IT SAY DON'T SAY GAY, IT ALSO BANS ANY MENTION OF RACE.

IT EXPLICITLY BANS DISCUSSION AROUND THE 1619 PROJECT AND THE AUTHOR OF THIS BILL, HE BECAME A TRACK STAR OVERNIGHT.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT PARENTAL RIGHTS AND PARENTAL CONTROL AND PARENTAL CHOICE, THIS IS ABOUT THE EXTREME FAR RIGHT RING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TRYING TO UNLEASH THIS CULTURE WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND IT IS STARTING STATEHOUSE BY STATEHOUSE AROUND THE COUNTRY.

IT'S RECEIVING THE RIGHTFUL BACKLASH IT DESERVES AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER THAN BEING INTRODUCED.

>> ANDREW, WHAT ARE THE CRITICISMS OF THE VAGUENESS OF THE LANGUAGE.

IT SAYS THAT THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION WILL DECIDE WHAT IS AGE A PROCEED YAT.

THE STATE LAW SAYS THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION CANNOT SET THOSE.

WHO'S TO DECIDE WHAT'S AGE APPROPRIATE?

WHAT'S DEVELOPMENTALLY APPROPRIATE?

>> FILL IN THE QUESTION.

WITH THOSE FUNDS, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MEDIA ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY KNEW AND HAVING THE RESULTS ON THE AMBIGUOUS ISSUES.

THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS FROM EDUCAORS WHETHER IT MIGHT HAVE A SHIFT ON SAME-SEX PARENTS, DO THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT?

THERE'S CONCERNS WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT NOT JUST THE CURRICULUM OR MATERIALS, THERE ARE A LOT OF THORNY ISSUES.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DETAILS RIGHT NOW TO PROCESS ABOUT PERHAPS THE BILL IS INTENTIONALLY VAGUE IN ORDER TO ENTER INTO THAT.

>> SHANNON JONES, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FRINGE ISSUES THAT TENDS TO HIT THE FRINGES OF BOTH PARTIES.

THE OPPONENTS AND THE SUPPORTERS.

DO REPUBLICANS RUN ANY RISK THAT THEY ARE BEING PORTRAYED AS EXTREMISTS AGAIN AND GOING TOO FAR IN TRYING TO CONTROL WHAT STUDENTS CAN LEARN AND ALSO MARGINALIZING LGBT FOLKS?

>> I THINK THAT YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THERE.

THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN UTILIZING TO APPEAL TO THE BASE AND TO FAR RIGHT OF THEIR BASE.

YOU KNOW, IN A TIME WHEN THE STATE IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO RECRUIT NEW INDUSTRIES, HIGH TECH INDUSTRIES LIKE INTEL IS IN THE STATE AND PROVIDE THE WORKFORCE AND THE ENVIRONMENTS THAT THESE COMPANIES WANT FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, WE OUGHT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE USING AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF SAYING THAT THIS IS A STATE THAT DOESN'T WELCOME ALL PEOPLE TO IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY THORNY ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS.

THEY DON'T NEED IT TO MOTIVATE THEIR BASE.

THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHERS ON THE MENU AND THEY GIVE A RISK.

WHEN YOU SEE THE HEAD OF THE OHIO CHAMBER GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF THIS AND BEING INTRODUCED IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE TO SAY WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MESSAGE THIS IS SENDING TO INDUSTRY THAT MAY BE LOOKING AT OHIO AS A NATION OR TRYING TO RESHORE INDUSTRIES.

>> STEVE STYGLES, IS THERE A RISK FOR DEMOCRATS THEY'RE TRYING TO WIN THE SEVENTH SEAT BY ROSS BOARDMAN.

THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT JOBS, ECONOMIC ISSUES, WAGE DESPART AT THIS, MAYBE EVEN HEALTH CARE.

THIS GETS SOCIAL ISSUES BACK FRONT AND CENTER.

>> THE OBSESSION WITH THE RACING HISTORY IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE DEMOCRATIC GOAL GETTING PEOPLE BACK TO WORK, PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO POCKETS, MAKING SURE COMMUNITIES ARE SAFE.

BRINGING JOBS AROUND THE COUNTRY, CERTAINLY HERE IN OHIO.

THIS IS A DISTRACTION FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE IT SEEMS AS IF THEY ARE JUST OBSESSED WITH ERASING HISTORY, ERASING STATS FROM AROUND CURRICULUM, AROUND THE STATE.

THE TRUTH IS THERE ARE GAY PEOPLE IN OHIO, GAY KIDS.

PARENTS ARE GAY AND HAVE CHILDREN AND THERE ARE BROWN PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE AND WE ALL LIVE TOGETHER HERE IN OHIO AND THEN THEY START GETTING STRONGER.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REPUBLICANS ARE SO SET ON DISRUPTING A COHESIVE CULTURE THAT WE CAN WORK ON BUILDING.

THAT'S WHY THE OHIO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS ON THIS.

>> ANDREW TOBIAS, ONE QUESTION ON THIS.

BOTH GOV ANOTHER DeWINE AND HOUSE MEMBERS SAID THEY HAVEN'T READ IT YET.

DOES IT GO ANYWHERE?

DO YOU SEE IT?

>> CHARLIE, HARD TO TELL.

BOTH OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED DON'T REALLY COMMENT ON LEGISLATION.

THE GOVERNOR SOFTLY PUSHED BACK AGAINST A TRANSGENDER SPORTS BILL LAST SUMMER THAT I BELIEVE IS STILL IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT HE WILL NOT NECESSARILY TAKE HEAD ON.

I THINK HE TRIES TO AVOID CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES WHEN HE CAN.

WHETHER THAT MEANS HE'LL TAKE A STAND, I'M NOT SURE.

RIGHT NOW IT'S HARD TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES ON THAT ONE.

>> AT WEEK'S END THE OHIO SUPREME COURT HAS YET TO RULE ON MAPS.

THEY HAVE RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF POWER.

THE CONSTITUTION CLEARLY SEPARATES GOVERNMENT INTO THREE BRANCHES, EXECUTIVE, LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIAL.

EACH SAYS IT HAS DIVIDING LINES.

OCCASIONALLY THOSE LINES CROSS.

EXECUTIVE BRANCHES, LAW ENFORCEMENT PROSECUTE LAWMAKERS AND JUDGES.

THEY WILL IMPEACH EXECUTIVES AND JUDGES.

JUDGES WILL RULE EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THE CURRENT REDISTRICTING FIGHT HAS THE SUPREME COURT THREATENING TO PUNISH LAWMAKERS WITH CONTEMPT RULINGS AND THEY HAVE THREATENED TO IMPEACH JUSTICES, AT LEAST ONE.

SHANNON JUDGE, UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS WOULD JUDGES, THE SUPREME COURT BE JUSTIFIED IN HOLDING A LAWMAKER IN CONTEMPT FOR NOT DOING HIS OR HER JOB?

>> WELL, I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK THIS WAS A PRETTY INTERESTING ISSUE AND IT'S NICE THAT I GET TO BE ON THE OUTSIDE RATHER THAN ON THE INSIDE DEBATING THAT.

YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT WITH RESPECT TO REDISTRICTING, THE LEGISLATURE IS THE ONE THAT PUT THE ISSUE BEFORE THE VOTERS AND THAT PROCESS IN ITSELF WAS A POLITICAL ONE.

IT'S FULL OF COMPROMISES.

SO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEFORE THE VOTERS ARGUABLY ISN'T AS CLEAR AS IT SHOULD BE.

SO IS THE SUPREME COURT NOW INTERPRETING THE LAW?

OR IS THE LAW VAGUE?

YOU KNOW, THE COURT'S GOING TO HAVE TO TELL THE LEGISLATURE THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK?

I MEAN, THIS IS A REALLY RARE INSTANCE WHERE THE SUPREME COURT CALLED THE SUPREME COURT DIVISION.

NOT INTERPRETING THE LAW BUT ENSURING THE LAW IS ACTUALLY CARRIED OUT.

ARGUABLY THERE IS A LACK OF CLARITY AROUND WHAT IT IS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THIS INTERPRETATION ISSUE.

JUDGES EXTENDING THEIR -- EXCEEDING THEIR REALMS BY TRYING TO INTERPRET THE LAW.

THIS IS -- THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKED TO DO.

THE SUPREME COURT IS ASKED TO DO IT.

I THINK IT'S RARE, BUT I THINK WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> IN THIS CASE IT NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE THEY DID FILE A MAP.

I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND OR THIRD VERSION, I'VE LOST TRACK, ODDLY ENOUGH, BUT THE SUPREME COURT WAS GOING TO HOLD THE GOVERNOR, THE SECRETARY OF STATE, HOUSE SPEAKER, SENATE PRESIDENT, STATE AUDITOR INTO A COURTROOM AND HAVE A CONTEMPT HEARING.

DESIREE, IS THAT CROSSING A LINE INTO THE SEPARATION OF POWERS?

>> THERE'S CONTINUED REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTION THAT HAS PLAYED INTO THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

WE KNOW THAT MORE THAN 70% OF OHIOANS SUPPORTED FOR A FAIR PROCESS AND A BIPARTISAN GROUP OF SUPREME COURT JUSTICES SAID, HEY, THIS MAP IS NOT RIGHT.

IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

IT IS FLAWED.

IT IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THE WILL OF OHIOANS AND HOW THEY VOTE.

WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE DOING IS PLAYING FOOTSIE WITH THE LAW.

I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY SHAMEFUL IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ATTEMPTS TO IMPEACH A JUSTICE OF THEIR OWN PARTY SIMPLY BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SIDE WITH THEM, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH HER DECISION.

PEOPLE DISAGREE ALL THE TIME BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE SUPREME COURT IS THE LAST STOP IN INTERPRETING THE STATE CONSTITUTION AND THIS IS HOW THE LAW CAME OUT AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THIS IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE MANIPULATED PROCESS.

THEY SPENT TEN MILLION DOLLARS AND WE HOPE THEY GET THIS RIGHT BUT IMPEACHMENT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.

>> ANDREW TOBIAS, THE FOLKS WHO ARE FLOATING THE IDEA OF FLOATING THE REPUBLICAN CHIEF JUSTICE WHO HAS SIDED WITH DEMOCRATS IN THIS CASE AND THESE CASES, DO THEY HAVE CREDIBILITY?

THE REPUBLICAN AND THREE DEMOCRATS?

>> YEAH.

ONE WAY TO INTERPRET THAT DISPARATE THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE PERCEPTION THERE'S ONE JUSTICE AND HE'S SWINGING ON THAT.

SO BY MAKING THREATS AND PRESSURING THAT ONE JUSTICE THAT ESSENTIALLY LET THEM GET WHAT THEY WANT TO BE A POLITICAL TACTIC INSTEAD OF LEGAL ONE OR MAYBE IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND, WHAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY SAY IS MAUREEN O'CONNOR IS THE ONE THAT SIGNED THE ORDER THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN OTHER MEMBERS THE INFORMATION INTO COURT.

THE OTHER THREE JUSTICE'S NAMES ARE ON THAT.

YOU CAN MAKE OF THAT WHAT YOU WILL.

>> EARLY VOTING HAS BEGUN.

EVEN WITHOUT STATE LEGISLATIVE CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT THE EARLY PRIMARY SEASON IS OFFICIALLY UNDERWAY.

REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE CHOOSING THEIR CANDIDATES FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

THE REDISTRICTING FIGHT HAS FORCED OUT ONE CONGRESSMAN.

CONGRESSMAN BOB GIBBS SAYS HE WILL RETIRE.

ANDREW TOBIAS LOST A LOT OF HIS VOTERS AND HE ALSO FACES A PRETTY STRONG PRIMARY OPPONENT.

>> YEAH.

SO MAX NOMER IS PROBABLY GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION.

ALMOST 10 POINTS PLUS REPUBLICANS.

YOU THINK IT'S PRETTY FAVORABLY HERE THIS YEAR.

IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

WE WERE WONDERING WHETHER YOU WOULD SEE AN INCUMBENT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY RUNNING AS AN ENDORSED CANDIDATE.

WE HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT.

HAD A LOT OF DISTRICT THAT HE'S CAMPAIGNING IN, BASICALLY A MAJORITY OF WHAT THE DISTRIBUTING LOOKS LIKE.

WE'RE HEARING SOME RUMBLINGS ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

HE'S NOT HAD A LOT OF TOUGH ELECTIONS IN RECENT YEARS.

HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT RETIRING FOR A WHILE.

IF YOU TAKE A STEP BACK, IT'S SURPRISING TO SEE A LONG TIME REPUBLICAN.

>> BEEN AN OFFICER I THINK CLOSE TO TEN YEARS IF NOT TEN YEARS.

WELL RESPECTED.

POPULAR IN HIS DISTRICT.

ARE YOU SURPRISED HE'S A CASUALTY IN THIS PROCESS?

>> THE DISTRICT ISN'T THE SAME.

10% OF THE DISTRICT ARE FORMER CONSTITUENTS OF HIS.

HE LITERALLY DOESN'T KNOW THE CONSTITUENTS THAT HE'S BEEN -- HE WOULD BE ASKING FOR THEIR VOTE.

YOU KNOW, MAX MILLER HAS BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK HAS, YOU KNOW, THE LEG UP.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, HERE WE ARE.

WE ARE LOSING CONGRESSIONAL SEATS AND SO THAT'S GOING -- THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE CASUAL TASE IN THAT AS LONG AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE APPORTIONMENT BOARD.

WE AT SOME POINT HAVE TO GET SERIOUS AS A STATE TO PROVIDE HOW DO WE PREVENT FURTHER EROSION NATIONALLY AND HAVE TO SKINNY DOWN OUR DELEGATION AND LOVE TO ENSURE THAT IN OUR NEXT REAPPORTIONMENT WE MAYBE EVEN ARE GAINING.

HE'S STRUNG OUT.

HE HAS VOTERS THAT HAVEN'T VOTED FOR HIM BEFORE.

>> HOW ARE DEMOCRATS VIEWING THE UPCOMING MID TERM ELECTION FOR CONGRESS?

ARE THEY USING THIS OFF OF THE DATE.

ARE DEMOCRATS BASICALLY GOING TO SUPPORT THE THREE STRONG CANDIDATES THEY HAVE NOW?

KIND OF WRITING OFF 2022?

>> I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC STRATEGY IS ALWAYS TO RUN EVERYWHERE, HIDE EVERYWHERE, GET INVOLVED EVERYWHERE.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING ARE REAL HARDSHIPS -- WELL, I WAS SAYING REMEMBER, ONE, REDISTRICTING.

THEY CARVED OUT HIS DISTRICT.

THEY REFUSED TO DRAW A FAIR DISTRICT OF THE PEOPLE OF CINCINNATI UNTIL DONALD TRUMP STILL HAS HIS SON ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN SUCH A MEANINGFUL WAY.

THEY NEED TO DO SOME SOUL SEARCHING.

ARE THEY GOING TO STEER FARTHER RIGHT OR ARE THEY GOING TO COME TO THE MIDDLE?

THAT'S WHERE OUR POLITICS NEED TO COME BACK TO.

REDISTRICTING IS A MIRROR IMAGE OF THAT PROCESS.

>> THE BIGGEST RACE IN THE PRIMARY FIGHT ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR'S RACE IS A TIGHT RACE.

THE U.S. SENATE RACE ON THE GOP SIDE, ANDREW TOBIAS, ANOTHER DEBATE THIS WEEK, IT WAS JUST AS NASTY AND PERSONAL AS THE OTHER ONES HAVE BEEN.

STILL, NO ONE HAS BROKEN AWAY FROM THE PACK IN THAT RACE.

>> YEAH.

BOTH OF THOSE WERE SPONSORED BY A CAMPAIGN WITH A SUPER PAC AND DISTINCTIONS THAT ARE TECHNICAL.

SHOWED DIFFERENT RESULTS.

ONE OF THEM SHOWED DESPITE THOSE TWO POSITIONS, 8% IS THE MARGIN OF ERRORS.

4% SAY THEY COVERED THAT.

TO SEE THAT AS ONE OF THE THINGS I USE.

JANE HAD SOME MORE ADS UP AGAINST HER.

JOSH McDONALD, YOU SEE MIKE GIVENS WHO HAS THE POSITION ATTACKING OTHERS.

IT'S KIND OF FREE FOR ALL.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IS OUT OF PHOENIX OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD PUSH ALL OF THE CANDIDATES OVER THE TOP.

SCRATCHING MY HEAD TRYING TO PREDICT WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.

>> JOSH MENDELL CALLS CRITICAL RACE THEORY CRAP AND HE'S WALKING ON THE EDMUND PETTIS BRIDGE IN ALABAMA AND SAID MARTIN LUTHER KING MARCHED SO SKIN COLOR WOULDN'T MATTER.

>> HE TRIED TO EXPLAIN BLACK HISTORY TO MARTIN LUTHER KING'S DAUGHTER AND ENGAGED IN A VERY PUBLIC BACKLASH ON TWITTER THAT TO EXPLAIN TO THIS.

THERE IS A RACIST ATTACK AT MIKE GIVENS.

THEY ARE OBSESSED WITH RACE, CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND AGAIN TALKING ABOUT HISTORY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE LEANING INTO THESE CULTURE WARS, BUT IT'S NOT WORKING.

IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T WORK FOR THE PEOPLE OF OHIO.

MAYBE THEIR POLLS ARE SHOWING OR SAYING SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE LEANING INTO THESE ACTIONS AND THESE ITEMS WITHOUT HOW TO DEAL AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN OHIO ARE FLEEING IN THE STATE BECAUSE OF EXTREME POLICIES AND COMMERCIALS.

IF THEY ARE WATCHING BY GUYS THAT WANT TO BE THEIR SENATORS.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

>> SUPPORTERS CALLED IT A NEW MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.

THEY CALL IT A PIPE DREAM.

A HYPER LOOP THAT PROMISES TO WHIP PEOPLE FROM TOWN TO TOWN.

NOTABLY THE STUDY DID NOT COVER THE COST OF THE PROJECT.

THEY HAVE SWITCHED FROM TRANSPORTING PASSENGER THROUGH THE TUBE TO MOVING FREIGHT.

THE CITY DIDN'T INVEST A LOT IN THIS, BUT THEY GAVE THE PROJECT SOME CREDIBILITY?

WAS IT WISE TO EMBRACE THE PROJECT THE WAY THE CITY DID?

>> I THINK IT WAS WISE TO EMBRACE THE PROJECT.

WE'VE BEEN SEEING PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN CHINA AND I THINK PEOPLE HERE IN OHIO YOU HAVE PAST, YOU HAVE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS DENIED AND FINALLY GET SOME HIGH SPEED RAIL WORKING, GET US CONNECTED FOR CHICAGO.

NOW WE HAVE A BATTLE ON OUR HANDS.

>> CRITICS SAY BY FOCUSING ON HYPER LOOP IT HURT THE EFFORTS TO BRING TRAINS TO COLUMBUS.

DO YOU AGREE?

>> I DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THE HYBRID LOOP IS A VERY SPECIFIC PROJECT AND, AGAIN, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMFORTABLE.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH GETTING IN A TUBE SHOOTING TO CHICAGO IN 30 MINUTES.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE IT.

I KNOW THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

IT WAS DOWN WITH A LOT OF EXCITEMENT WHEN THE THREE CDs WERE CIRCULATING AND TRAINING ON THE INTERNET.

WOW, I CAN CONNECT CINCINNATI TO CLEVELAND, COLUMBUS, PITTSBURGH, DETROIT.

IT'S VERY POPULAR HERE.

>> FINAL PARTING SHOTS.

>> THIS WEEK WE SAW EXCITING NEWS WITH A FEATURE OF JUSTICE KETANJI BROWN JACKSON AND EXCITED TO SEE HER AND HER CONFIRMATION AND SEEING HER SWORN IN AS THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.

>> SHANNON JONES, 20 SECONDS?

>> WITH JUST FOUR WEEKS UNTIL THE ELECTION, THE REPUBLICANS HAVE FAILED TO MOUNT A SERIOUS CAMPAIGN IN THE PRIMARY AGAINST MIKE DeWINE.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE FAILED TO MOUND THE -- MOUNT THE CAMPAIGN.

IT WILL EMERGE IN THE DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES.

IT WILL BE STRONG HEADING INTO THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.

>> ANDREW, 20 SECONDS FOR YOU.

YOUR FINAL THOUGHT.

>> YEAH.

BROWN RECORDED A MESSAGE AND I THINK HER PRIMARY COMMENTS, NO, THAT MIGHT HELP HER MOVE HER CAMPAIGN.

>> MY OFF THE RECORD COMMENT, I WAS IN SPAIN AND TOOK A HIGH SPEED TRAIN FROM SPAIN TO VALENCIA.

I TOOK THAT AT 200 MILES AN HOUR.

THAT IS ""COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD"" FOR APRIL 7th.

I'M MIKE THOMPSON.

HAVE A GOOD WEEK.