>> CONGRESSMAN MAX MILLER STAYS IN AND AMY ACTON EMBRACES THE MIDDLE.

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> >> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD. "

I'M MIKE THOMPSON.

MAX MILLER IS HOLDING FIRM.

THE CLEVELAND AREA CONGRESSMAN DID NOT END HIS RE-ELECTION BID AND VOWS TO FIGHT ALLEGATIONS HE EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY ABUSED HIS EX-WIFE, EMILY MORENO, AND POSSIBLY THEIR 2-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.

UP UNTIL A FEW MONTHS AGO, MILLER WAS A HEAVY FAVORITE IN THE NORMALLY SAFE REPUBLICAN DISTRICT, BUT NOW THE COOK POLITICAL REPORT HAS MOVED THE RACE FROM LIKELY REPUBLICAN TO A TOSS- UP AS INTERNAL POLLS REPORTEDLY SHOW MILLER'S DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT BRIAN POINDEXTER LEADING IN THE RACE.

HERE TO DISCUSS THIS IS THIS WEEK'S PANEL.

JO INGLES, REPORTER FOR OHIO PUBLIC RADIO, JAKE ZUCKERMAN, REPORTER FOR SIGNAL STATEWIDE, MORGAN HARPER, PROGRESSIVE ACTIVIST, AND MARK WEAVER, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST.

>> JAKE ZUCKERMAN, YOU FACED A LOT OF PRESSURE, MAX MILLER, TO GET OUT OF THE RACE, JUNE HOUSTON, FORMER FATHER- IN-LAW.

HE DECIDED TO STAY IN.

>> HE IS QUOTED IN THE PRESS AS SAYING WHAT WOULD DONALD TRUMP DO.

DONALD TRUMP WOULD FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, SO I'M GOING FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT.

BUT LIKE YOU SAID IT'S A TOSS- UP AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE AT THE MINIMUM RESOURCES ARE GOING TO BE DIVERTED FROM OTHER PLACES INTO THIS IT DISTRICT WHICH REALLY YOU THINK IT'S A GENERIC REPUBLICAN AROUND THE BALLOT.

THIS IS A SAFE REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.

NOW I THINK IT'S IN PLAY.

IT'S ON THE MAP AND YOU CAN SEE DEMOCRATS ARE RESPONDING TO LIKE IT'S ON MAP.

THEY ADDED IT TO THEIR RED TO BLUE, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THEY CALL IT, A PRIORITY RACE CATEGORY.

>> POLITICO REPORTS THE WHITE HOUSE ASKS OHIO REPUBLICANS TO STAY OUT.

JOHN HOUSTON CALLED FOR HIM TO LEAVE.

IS IT BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T GET INVOLVED THAT MAX MILLER IS STILL A CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS?

>> COULD BE.

THEY ARE VERY CLOSE.

I AGREE WITH JAKE THAT THIS IS GOING TO PUT THIS RACE AT LEAST IN THE PLAY, WHICH MEEKS THE FOLKS WILL SEE A LOT OF ADVERTISING WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY SEE.

IT'S A PRETTY RED DISTRICT, LIKELY TO STAY RED.

WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

>> BRIAN POINDEXTER, THE CANDIDATE TO UPSET MAX MILLER GIVEN ALL THESE THINGS?

>> I THINK SO.

I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET BRIAN POINDEXTER, UNION MEMBER, DAD, A REAL --YOU CAN LISTEN TO HIS STORIES, I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

THE TIMES DEMAND IT.

HE SUPPORTS MEDICARE FOR ALL, ENDORSED BIT THE WORKING FAMILY PARTY SO HE WILL ACTIVATE A LOT OF SUPPORT ON THE LEFT AND THE WAY THIS THING IS GOING IF HE DOES HAVE A CHANCE IT'S LIKELY TO BE CLOSE AND EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS.

INTERESTING.

>> THIS DISTRICT STRETCHES FROM LAKE ERIE AND CLEVELAND ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH, ALMOST LIKE TO ASHLAND AND THINGS LIKE THAT, JOE.

SO THERE IS --IT'S RURAL AND SUBURBAN.

DEPENDS WHO TURNS OUT.

>> YEAH, DEPENDS ON WHO TURNS OUT BUT IT IS INHERENTLY A REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.

AND TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF DEMOCRATS TURN OUT OR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE FOR MAX MILLER WOULD VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE CHLS YOU HAVE TO GET THEM TO TURN OUT.

THAT COULD BE A HARD SELL.

IT COULD BE MORE LIKELY THAT REPUBLICANS STAY HOME.

>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF JOHN HOUSTON?

HE STUCK HIS NECK OUT EARLY ON, SAID HE SHOULD LEAVE THE RACE.

YOU COULD SEE BERNIE MORENO SAYING, THAT THE FORMER FATHER-IN- LAW DEFENDING HI DAUGHTER.

JOHN HOUSTON WAS OUT AHEAD, A LOT OF --DIDN'T FOLLOW ALONG IN THE STATE.

>> HE IS A LEADER TRYING TO BE A ELDER STATESMANISM WAS TEXTING WITH BERNIE AFTER HIS PRESS CONFERENCE IN THE HALVE THE SENATE.

I THOUGHT HE SPOKE FROM THE HEART AS A FATHER.

HE SAID I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT POLITICS.

HE WAS STANDING UP FOR HIS GRANDCHILD AND DAUGHTER.

PERHAPS HOUSTON WANTS TO ALLY WITH HIS FELLOW SENATOR.

DOVE BEEN PART OF IT.

>> NOW HE CALLS A RESIGNATION OR LEAVING --NOT SEEKING RE-ELECTION, JAKE, CAN'T USE THIS AGAINST HIM.

OTHER CANDIDATES CAN SAY WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL FOR MAX MILLER'S DEPARTURE, BUT SHERIFF CAN'T USE THAT AGAINST HIM?

>> I AM SURE HE WILL FIND A WAY.

JOHN HOUSTON IS GOING TO BE AMONG THE MOST QUESTIONED MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

PEOPLE IN AMERICAN POLITICS OVER THE NEXT YEAR, IT'S UNTENABLE.

HE SEES AN ENUNTENABLE POSITION, DO YOU WANT TO BE OUT THERE DEFENDING ALLEGATIONS AGAINST MAX MILLER, ULTIMATELY THE FACTS LIE WITH A SMALL SET OF REALLY TWO PEOPLE HERE.

SO THERE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT JOHN HOUSTON CAN SAY THAT IS GOING TO HELP HIS POLITICAL SITUATION TO HELP MAX MILLER.

I THINK IT'S LIABILITY HE JUST WANTED TO SHED BEFORE A COMPETITIVE RACE.

I DON'T SEE HE HAD MUCH OF A CHOICE.

>> PROMISES OF NATIONAL HELP ARE THERE, PROMISES.

AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE AND OUTSIDE GROUPS PUT MONEY ON THE TABLE AND BUY ADS.

>> AND WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT EXTENT THAT NATIONAL HELP WILL BE.

IT MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BUT THEY MAY COME IN AND GIVE A LOT OF MONEY THERE AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

>> REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE, DONALD TRUMP'S UNPOPULARITY, HIGH GAS PRICES NOW ALES OF MAX MILLER, DOES IT WORRY REPUBLICANS ABOUT TURNOUT IN GENERAL THE ENTHUSIASM THE REPUBLICANS HAVE, REPUBLICAN VOTERS HAVE THEIR OWN CANDIDATES?

>> GIVEN THAT THE DEMOCRATS CONTINUE TO ALINE THEMSELVES WITH FAR LEFT SOCIALIST CANDIDATES, GETTING RID OF THE SUPREME COURT AND DEFUND THE POLICE, WHEN CANDIDATES ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT REPUBLICANS WILL POINT TO WHAT MANY VOTERS IS A VERY UNPOPULAR DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

THIS SEE BINARY CHOICE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE CRAZY ANTI- THANKSGIVING POSITIONS, SOME OF THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES ARE TAKING, GETS TO GO MAKE IT MORE LIKELY THAT REPUBLICANS WILL HOLD ON TO THEIR SEATS.

>> LET'S GET TO THAT.

REPUBLICANS MAY TRY TO PIN IT ON HER, BUT AMY ACTON IS DOING HER BEST STAY AWAY FROM ANY SOCIALIST LABEL.

SHE HAS TAKEN SOME MODERATE STANCES IN RECENT WEEKS.

SHE SAID SHE DOES NOT SUPPORT TRANS MALES PARTICIPATING ON FEMALE SPORTS TEAMS.

SHE DOES NOT WANT TO BAN YOU DATA CENTERS, ONLY REGULATE THEM AND THIS WEEK IN FAVOR OF A BALLOT SURE TO ENSHRINE OHIO'S PHOTO I. D. REQUIREMENT INTO THE CONSTITUTION.

MANY DEMOCRATS OPPOSE THIS.

POLLS SHOW 80% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT VOTER PHOTO I. D. REQUIREMENTS.

MORGAN HARPER, YOU ARE ON THE LEFT SIDE.

DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT AMY ACTON IS DOING HERE AND DOES IT SIT WELL WITH YOU AND SOME OF THE FOLKS YOU ARE ALIGNED WITH?

>> I DO THINK IT SUGGESTS A STRATEGY WE HAVE SEEN FROM A LOT OF DEMOCRATS RUNNING STATEWIDE IN OHIO WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PERSUADE SOME FOLKS THAT MAYBE LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE CENTER-CENTER RIGHT.

ONLY TIME WILL TELL IF THAT STRATEGY IS SUCCESSFUL.

WHAT WE KNOW AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE RACES LIKE MICHIGAN IS THAT CANDIDATES LIKE WE SAW WITH ABDUL SAEED PUTTING THEMSELVES OUT THERE OUTSIDE THE CANDIDATES, NOT CAREER POLITICIANS GENERATE A LOT OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND TURNOUT ENERGY ON THE ROUND BY STICKING TO THEIR VALUES AND THINGS LIKE MEDICARE FOR ALL AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE THE PLATFORMS.

SO I UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE LIKE I SAID, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT IS ENERGIZING THE PUBLIC AND A BAN ON DATA CENTERS IS DOING THAT.

>> DOES SHE RISK FOLKS NOT TURNING OUT, FOLKS WHO WANT MEDICARE FOR ALL A WANT TO SUPPORT BLANKET TRANS RIGHTS OR BANNING DATA CENTERS?

>> I THINK THERE IS THE POS THABLT THERE WILL BE LESS ENTHUSIASM.

THE TRUMP AGENDA AND THE FACT THAT WE CAN ALSO LINK TO THAT AGENDA BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN PRETTY ALIGNED WITH IT AND BIG TECH AND ALL THESE THINGS, YES, THAT WILL MAKE THEM --THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF FOLKS ON THE LEFT OPPOSE SO THEY WILL NOT ANT TO SUPPORT.

BUT THIS WILL COME DOWN, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TURNING OUT OVERALL T THIS HURTS A BUILT OF THE ENTHUSIASM.

AND ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE.

I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE SPEND A LOT OF FOCUS ON GENERATING YOUNG PEOPLE'S INTEREST IN POLITICS, NONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU LAID OUT ARE ALIGNED WITH WHERE MOST PEOPLE UNDER 30 ARE FALLING FROM POLICY PERSPECTIVE.

>> DOES THIS MEAN THE REPUBLICANS WON'T TRY TO PAINT HER AS A SOCIALIST?

>> I THINK THERE WILL ABNEGATIVE AD BY SOMEONE WHO THINKS THIS IS RACIST, DAVID PEPPER, WHO SAID THAT VOTER I. D. IS RACIST.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD FOR HIM BEING CRITICAL OF AMY ACTON.

SHE NOW SUPPORTS VOTER I. D.

>> LOOK AT THE POLLS IN THIS.

THE LATEST POLL IN THIS RACE, FOX NEWS OUT WITH A POLL THIS WEEK, LATE THIS WEEK, SHOWS THE RACE TIED O RAMI RAMASWAMY A TWO-POINT LEAD.

THE MARGIN FOR ERROR IS 3%.

JAKE, SHOWS THIS RACE IS TIGHT.

>> YEAH -- >> FROM THE --FROM THE WINTER ON.

>> A VERY COMPETITIVE RACE.

I WONDER SO WHERE COULD THESE PEOPLE GO?

IF YOU ARE A VOTER WHO HAS LOST ENTHUSIASM AS MORGAN PUT IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN VOTER I. D. OR YOU THINK THAT TRANSGENDER KIDS SHOULD PLAY WHATEVER SPORT THEY WANT, I STRUGGLE TO THINK OF THE PERSON WHO GOES TO VOTE FOR VIVEK OUT OF THAT.

THAT PERSON COULD STAY HOME, BUT I SUSPECT VOTERS HAVE THEIR MIND ELSE WHERE.

I READ THIS AS A STRATEGY OF YOU KNOW WHAT THE --RT PS ARE GOING TO CALL YOU A SOCIALIST AND THEY ARE GOING TO SAY SHE DOESN'T CARE ELECTION INTEGRITY OR BOYS PLAYING GIRLS --I THINK IS A PREEMPTIVE PUNTING OF AN ATTACK THAT HASN'T COME ACROSS THE PLATE YET.

>> THIS SHOWS SHE IS THE SUBJECT BY A LOT OF NEGATIVE ADS AND SHE STILL IS WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR AMY ACTON.

>> SHE HAS BEEN.

I MEAN, I WATCH BROADCAST TV AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH ONE SEGMENT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A V PACK AD AGAINST HER.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS GOT THAT.

BUT I THINK ALSO DRIVING UP MAYBE DRIVING UP A LITTLE BIT OF --WHAT DO I WANT TO SAY?

NEGATIVE KIND OF DRIVING UP A LITTLE BIT OF, WAIT, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHE ABOUT AND WE ARE NOT HEARING A BLOT FROM HER.

>> SHE IS UNDERWATER ON THE FAVORABILITY.

SHE IS AT 47% UNFAVORABLE ACCORDING TO THE POLL, 43% FAVORABLE.

SO THESE ADS MAY BE HAVING AN IMPACT ON THAT.

>> I KIND OF AGREE.

IT CREATES A BIT OF A VACUUM ON THE SUBSTANTIVE SIDE OF THINGS AND A LOT OF THE ADS ARE TYPICAL TALKING POINTS.

YOU'RE A SOCIALIST, YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE EVIL BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND TIED TO CORPORATION SPECIAL INTEREST.

THESE ARE TYPICAL TALKING POINTS AND NOT BE INFLUENCING HOW THEY ARE THINKING WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY PUT ANOTHER WAY TO REALLY HONE IN ON WHAT ARE FOLKS THINKING ABOUT AND WE KNOW THAT FROM DATA.

HOW MUCH THINGS COST.

SO I THINK AN ABILITY ESPECIALLY AS WE ENTERING THIS UNDER 100 DAY PERIOD TO KB IN UP INTEREST, FOCUS ON THE ECONOMIC ISSUES IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

>> A STORY THAT WILL DOG AMY ACTON IF FAUCI IS REFERRED FOR PROSECUTION AS HE MAY BE A REMINDER TO OHIOANS SHE WAS THE FACE OF THE SCHOOL -- SHE WAS THE FACE OF THE FAKE SIX FOOT RULE, FACE OF MASKING TODDLERS.

THAT WON'T HELP HER IN THE FALL.

>> SHE HAS NOT RUN NEGATIVE ADS AGAINST RAMASWAMY.

THOSE ARE COMING.

HOW BIG OF AN IMPACT WILL THAT BE?

HE WILL BE LABELED AS A BILLIONAIRE.

>> THERE WILL BE NEGATIVE ADS AGAIN EACH OTHER, THERE WILL BE POSITIVE ADS.

FIRST TIME WHERE BOTH GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES HAVE NOT HELD STATEWIDE OFFICE OR ANY OFFICE BEFORE THAT.

WE ARE COMING OFF MIKE DeWINE, WHO HAS BEEN IN EVERY OFFICE IN OHIO AND KNEW VIVEK VERSUS AMY ACTON.

THEY ARE LARGELY KNOWN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> SO CANDIDATES WHO ARE PRETTY WELL KNOWN TO OHIOANS, THEY SAID - - FOX NEWS POLL THIS WEEK HAS BROWN WAN EIGHT POINT LEAD.

NOW, 53% TO 45% OVER JOHN HOUSTON.

THIS MIRRORS A POLL THAT FOX DID BACK IN JUNE THAT WE THOUGHT WAS AN OUTLIER, EIGHT-POINT LEAD.

THIS WAS TWO POLLS, TWO MONTHS APART, EIGHT-POINT LEAD FOR BOTH OF THEM.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS --I HAVE PRIORS HERE.

I HAVE A BIAS ON THIS POINT BUT WISCONSIN SOLIDIFIED IT AND MICHIGAN HAS SOLIDIFIED IT FURTHER THAT YOU CAN'T GET WATT CAUGHT UP IN THE POLLS I WOULD SAY THAT POTATO THESE --YOU KNOW, BOTH HAVE NOW SET VARIATIONS OF JOHN IN OFFICE SINCE --THEY HAVE BOTH IN OFFICE 20 SOME YEARS.

FEELS LIKE THEY ARE BAKED IN POLITICAL ATTITUDES ABOUT BOTH OF THEM.

I SEE --LIKE TO MARK'S POINT, AMY ACTON AND VIVEK RAMASWAMY ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES NO NEW VOTERS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S MUCH OF A GAME FOR BROWN AND HOUSTON.

PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AT THIS POINT.

>> WORRISOME FOR REPUBLICANS?

>> "THE NEW YORK TIMES" HAS HUSTED UP BY THREE AND THEY LOOKED AT LIKELY VOTERS AND THIS FOX POLL WEBSTER VOTERS.

THESE POLLS ARE UP AND DOWN.

THIS CENTER RACE WILL BE AFFECTED BIT NATIONAL CLIMATE.

ITEM NOW THE NATIONAL CLIMATE IS LEANING AGAINST REPUBLICANS.

I SUSPECT THAT WILL CHANGE BY OCTOBER.

>> WE WILL SEE.

OPPONENTS AND DEFENDERS OF FLOCK SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS ARET LETTING THEIR VOICES BE HEARD.

THE CAMERAS ON STREETS AROUND CENTRAL OHIO AUTOMATICALLY CAPTURE AND STORE PASSING CARS' LICENSE PLATE DATA.

THEY WANT TO BAN THE CAMERAS OR AT LEAST SIGNIFICANTLY TIGHTEN REGULATIONS ON THEM.

THEY POINT TO MISUSE OF THE DATA AND ERRORS.

POLICE AGENCIES DEFEND THE CAMERAS SAYING THEY HELP THEM SOLVE CRIMES.

THIS WEEK THE FATHER --OR MURDER VICTIM SPENCER TEPE SAID HE SUPPORTS THE CAMERAS, SPENCER TEPE WAS MURDERED WITH HIS WIFE MONIQUE IN THE WEINLAND HOME PARK HOME THIS WINTER.

HIS FATHER, TIM TEPE, SAYS THE CAMERAS HELPED LEAD POLICE TO MONIQUE'S EX- HUSBAND WHO WAS CHARGED IN THEIR MURDERS.

JO INGLES, GOVERNOR DeWINE, ATTORNEY GENERAL WILSON CAME OUT AND SUPPORTED THESE CAMERAS.

IT'S CLEARLY DIVIDING BETWEEN POLICE AND CIVIL LIBERTARIANS.

>> THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE BECAUSE ANDY WILSON AND GOVERNOR DeWINE BOTH HAVE PROSECUTOR -- PROSECUTORIAL BACKGROUNDS.

SO I - - AND THESE DO HELP SOLVE A LOT OF CRIMES.

BUT YOU KNOW I THINK US WE LIVE IN DAY AND AGE WHERE FLOCK CAMERAS AREN'T THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN.

THERE ARE RING CAMERAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU KNOW, GETTING RID OF FLOCK CAMERAS IS GOING TO GET RID OF THE CAMERAS.

THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE.

>> HOW DO YOU --BECAUSE THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND A A WHILE.

POLICE CRUISERS HAVE HAD THE TECHNOLOGY A LONG TIME.

CAMERAS ARE EVERYWHERE.

HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS?

I MEAN, IS BANNING THESE CAMERAS A --IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN?

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I --I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT I AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T DENY --I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS - - CAMERAS DO HELP SOLVING CRIME.

THERE IS A LOT OF FOCUS ON FLOCK AS A COMPANY BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THE CEO HAS SAID AND THE SEEMINGLY DISREGARD HE HAD FOR HOW --THEIR PARTICULAR TECHNOLOGY IS BEING MISUSED INCLUDING BUT NOT EXCLUSIVE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS LIKE CENTRAL OHIO.

I AGREE WITH JO.

WE SHOULDN'T THINK IT'S ZERO SUM HERE.

IT REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE GOOGLE.

GOOGLE DOMINATES INTERNET SEARCH.

THAT'S NOT AN INEVITABILITY.

OTHER COMPANIES PRIORITIZE PRIVATE E-MAIL SERVERCY.

WE HAVE SO VIDEO-BASED TECHNOLOGY THAT IS ALSO THINKING ABOUT PRIVACY FIRST AND PROTECTING CIVIL LIBERTIES IN PURSUIT SUIT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> YOU HAVE PROSECUTED CASE.

IN THE CASE OF THE TEPE MURDER, POLICE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE EX-HUSBAND AT SOME POINT IF NOT RIGHT AWAY.

DID THE CAMERAS REALLY LEAD TO THEM CATCHING HIM OR JUST HELPED --WILL HEM IN THE PROSECUTION BECAUSE NOW YOU PROVE HE WAS THERE.

>> PROBABLY THE PROSECUTOR.

WE CAUGHT A DRIVE-BY SHOOTER USING FLOCK CAMERAS.

NO DOUBT THEY HAVE VALUE.

THE SOLUTION IS PROBABLY STRONGER PENALTIES FOR THOSE WHO MISUSE THE DATA.

I PROSECUTE ADD POLICE OFFICER WHO USED A DRIVER'S LICENSE DATABASE IMPROPERLY.

HE IS NO LONGER A PRELIMINARY.

MAKING THE REFORM FOCUSED ON THE ACTUAL PROBLEM WHICH IS MISUSE OF THE DATA TRAER THAN CUTTING DOWN THE CAMERAS AND TAKING AWAY THE ABILITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO USE THEM I THINK IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO.

>> ONE SOURCE OF DISCOMFORT, JAKE, IS THAT MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS DRIVING TO WORK AND THERE IS A CAMERA, YOU KNOW, TRACKING YOUR LICENSE PLATE.

DO YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY ON HIGH STREET AND SHOULD THE CAMERAS BE ABLE TO TRACK YOU EVEN IF YOU ARE DOING NOTHING WRONG?

>> ME PERSONALLY, NO.

AND IT'S NOT --IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT I HAVE DONE ANYTHING WRONG BUT I DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO KNOW MY ASSOCIATIONS, TO KNOW WHERE I AM GOING.

I AM JOURNALIST.

I MEET WITH PEOPLE THAT OFTEN DON'T WANT TO KNOW TO BE MEETING OR TALKING WITH ME.

IS SOMEONE JUST ENTITLED TO PROBE INTO THAT SYSTEM?

SOMETHING INTERESTING THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE CITIES IS A LOT OF CITIES LOVE IT OR HATE IT HAVE BEEN CALLING THEMSELVES SANCTUARY CITIES THAT WE WILL NOT ALLOW --WE WILL NOT ASSIST FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES IN MASS DEPORTATION CAMPAIGN AND YET THIS DATA IS MANAGING TO GET TO AUTO I. C. E. AND THEY ARE USING IT IN THERE.

SO WHO IS REALLY CONTROLLING THIS DATA?

IS IT CONTROLLED?

AND I BELIEVE IN DAYTON WHERE THEY HAVE TRASH BAGS OVER THEIR FLOCK CAMERAS.

BUT, YEAH, IT'S A FUNNY VISUAL SIGHT.

THEY HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A CLERICAL ERROR.

THEY LEFT A DOOR OPEN IN THE DATA SET BECAUSE SOMEONE GOOFED WHICH --AND TAKING THEM AT THEIR WORD, THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN EVEN IF SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGIES EXISTED THEY EXISTED IN MUCH LESS -- MUCH MORE LESS SOPHISTICATED FORM TEN YEARS AGO.

>> YEAH, I THINK, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS, THERE IS SOME COMMITMENTS FROM FLOCK, WE WILL HAVE BETTER CONTROLS OF THE DATA.

THAT VERY DIFFICULT TO BE ENFORCED AND TO COMES DOWN TO A GOVERNMENT THAT IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO MONITOR WHAT'S HAPPENING AND ALSO CREATING COMPETITION SO THAT OTHER COMPANIES ARE NO THE MIX AND THAT CREATES BETTER INCENTIVES SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH PENALTIES AND STUFF LIKE THIS.

>> WE HAVE SEEN STORIES THAT PRIVATE BUSINESSES ARE LINKING THEIR SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS DIRECTLY TO POLICE.

IT IS A SECURITY MEASURE.

WORRIED ABOUT ANTISEMITIC ATTACKS.

YOU SEE THE REASON WHY.

A DIFFERENCE DOWN HIGH STREET, YOU ARE IN A PUBLIC PLACE, I AM GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THE GYM AT A FACILITY THIS THE CAMERA IN THE LOBBY NOW KNOWS WHERE I AM AND SHE HAS THAT INFORMATION DIRECTLY WITH POLICE.

>> THEY PROBABLY SEE IT AS A PEN FIT FOR THEM.

LET'S NOT PRETEND THAT WHEN THERE IS A CRIME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FIRST THING THE POLICE DO IS SAY, HEY, NEIGHBORS, DO YOU HAVE ANY VIDEO?

SHARE YOUR VIDEO US WITH.

AND PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, GOOD ABOUT SHARING THEIR RING CAMERA, WHATEVER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE IN A CRIME RIDDEN NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

THE POLICE ASK TO SEE THE VIDEO.

>> SOME COMPANIES JUST GIVE THE VIDEO TO THE POLICE AND THE PERSON WITH THE DOORBELL CAMERA DOESN'T KNOW IT'S BEEN SHARED.

>> GOING BACK TO BEN FRANKLIN, VERSUS SAFETY VERSUS FREEDOM IS AN IMPORTANT ONE TO HAVE.

THERE HAS TO BE A SOLUTION IN THE MIDDLE TO SOLVE CRIME AND PROTECT AGAINST ABUSES.

>> THOSE RED LIGHT CAMERAS CAME DOWN.

DO WE SEE THESE FLOCK SURVEILLANCE CAMERA CAMERAS COMING DOWN?

>> NOT WITH THE POLITICAL SUPPORT.

>> THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS WERE GENERATING INCOME, TOO.

>> THERE IS CORRUPTION IN COLUMBUS CITY HALL FOR PAYOFFS FOR CONTRACTORS.

>> THERE WERE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES -- >> THERE WAS A SAFETY ARGUMENT, TOO, THOUGH.

>> THERE IS.

NO, LISTEN, THE EXTREME, YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT.

THE ANSWER IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

>> I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AND WE HAVE SEEN GROUPS LIKE PEOPLE'S JUSTICE PROJECT IN CENTRAL OHIO BRINGING ATTENTION TO THIS.

I DON'T SEE THAT GOING AWAY.

>> THE HEARTBREAKING STORY OF 16 CHILDREN LIVING IN SQUALID CONDITIONS RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

THE STORY CAME TO LIGHT IN JUNE WHEN SHERIFFS DEPUTIES CAME TO GARY SIDERS'S HOME TO ARREST HIM FOR PUBLIC INDECENCY BUT THEY FOUND HORRIFIED THEM, 16 PLAL NOURISHED CAKED WITH FECES.

SIDERS, HIS WIFE AND HIS PARENTS ALL FACE CHILD ENDANGERMENT CHARGES.

INVESTIGATORS SAY THE FAMILY ACTIVELY HID THE CHILDREN FOR YEARS, MOVING OFTEN.

THE CHILDREN SELDOM ATTENDED SCHOOL.

NEIGHBORHOODS AND LANDLORDS HAD NO IDEA GOING ON.

MARK, YOU HAVE PROSECUTED SOME HORRIFIC CASES.

WHO IS TO BLAME IN THIS IF ANYONE?

IF THESE CHARGES ARE TRUE, THE FAMILY OF COURSE IS.

BUT OTHER THAN THEM, WHO IS TO BLAME?

>> YES, I HAVE PROSECUTED CASES LIKE THIS.

IT BREAKS MY HEART.

EVERY ADULT HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO ALERT THE AUTHORITIES IF THEY SEE SOMETHING PROBLEMATIC.

THE NEIGHBORS SAID THEY DIDN'T SEE CHILDREN.

THAT'S SO UNUSUAL.

MOST OF US KNOW IF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE CHILDREN.

EVIL CAN BE PROTECTED ONLY SO LONG.

BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE CHILDREN, NOT EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE CHILDREN.

IT'S UP TO THE REST OF US --WE SAW THAT IN CINCINNATI THIS WEEK A 7-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS TORTURED TO DEATH, A STRANGE FAMILY SITUATION WITH MOTHER AND TWO MEN PRETENDING TO TWO WOMEN.

NOBODY CALLED THE POLICE.

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO ALERT AUTHORITIES.

>> WHAT'S THE GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN THIS?

>> I THINK WE ARE KIDDING OURSELVES IF WE THINK THAT EVERYONE IN OHIO IS LIVING IN A FUNCTIONING COMMUNITY WHERE FOLKS ARE LOOKING OUT FOR NEIGHBORS.

WONDERFUL GOAL.

NOT REALITY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ON THE EDGE MENTALLY, FINANCIALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND WE KNOW FROM THIS EXAMPLE.

WHAT DOES THAT CONNECT TO?

I THINK A LOT TO TAKING AWAY FUNDS FOR CITIES, FOR COUNTIES TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND BUILD THOSE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE HIGH FUNCTIONING THAT I AGREE I WANT TO BE A PART OF SUCH A COMMUNITIES WHERE FOLKS ARE LOOKING OUT FOR NEIGHBORS.

IT'S NOT AT REALITY A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN OUR STATE.

>> THAT WOMAN'S STORY HAD 18 CHILDREN, JO.

SOMEBODY IN THE HOSPITAL HAD TO HAVE SEEN RED FLAGS THAT THIS FAMILY WAS NOT QUITE RIGHT, WOULDN'T YOU THINK?

>> YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK HINDSIGHT IS 20/20.

MAYBE SOMEONE DID SEE THAT.

MAYBE THEY DIDN'T QUESTION IT.

BUT I THINK THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING THING HERE WITH POVERTY.

I THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE -- COMING FROM AREAS WHERE MY FAMILY CAME FROM, AREAS WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF POVERTY.

AND WHEN YOU SEE THAT IN ACTION, I MEAN, IT'S -- LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU TAKE --YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US USE PLASTIC SILVERWARE.

WE THROW IT AWAY BECAUSE DISPOSABLE.

A LOT OF FAMILIES WHO LIVE IN POVERTY KEEP THAT, THEY WASH IT.

I MEAN, EVERY LITTLE THING IS A BIG ISSUE.

>> HAS LOT OF POOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THEIR KIDS LIVING IN A 12 BY 12 ROOM -- >> RIGHT.

>> MALNOURISHED AND IN A ROOM COVERED WITH FECES.

>> RIGHT.

>> POVERTY IS NOT THE ONLY REASON THIS HAPPENED.

>> YEAH, IT'S NOT -- >> CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, RIGHT?

>> IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING BUT IT'S A BIG THING AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT WELL AS A SOCIETY.

>> A VERY YOUNG MARRIAGE --I AM NOT IN THE DETAILS --BUT A YOUNG MARRIAGE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE SOMETHING, GETTING MARRIED AT 15 AND THEN NOT REALLY BEING IN A POSITION TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

PROBABLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE INFLUENCE OF OTHER ADULTS WHO MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH REGARD TO CHILDBEARING.

>> DOES THIS HAPPEN AGAIN?

>> I HOPE NOT.

IT'S AN OUTLIER.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE SAW THE CONTROLLING BOARD OF THE LEGISLATURE ALLOCATE SEPARATE RUN FOR A FAMILY SITUATION.

>> LET'S GET TO OUR FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

MARK WEAVER.

>> IN A PREVIOUS REMARK, I PREDICTED SAM YOU ALITO WOULD RETIRE AND I AM PLEASED I WAS WRONG.

HE IS STAYING.

A GREAT JUSTICE.

I WAS WRONG.

I AM GLAD HE IS STAYING.

>> HE IS STAYING, STAYING?

>> HE IS STAYING AT LEAST FOR THIS COMING TERM.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

>> MORGAN?

>> I HAVE SO MUCH I COULD SAY ABOUT THAT PARTING WORD.

YOU KNOW, IN SADLY SO, MORE SAD NEWS, A TORNADO HITONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF COLUMBUS.

I AM CURIOUS IF THIS IS 1-1 OF THE MOMENTS THAT LEADS A LOT OF REPUBLICANS IN OHIO NATIONALLY TO ADMIT THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL AND WE SHOULD DO POLICIES ACCORDINGLY.

>> JAKE?

>> THERE WAS SUSPECTED BOMB THREAT IN ASHTABULA FAMILY.

IT WAS CONFETTI CANNONS FOR THE PATRIOTS GAME.

>> JO?

>> I THINK WE ARE UNDERESTIMATING THE CHANGE FACTOR IN ALL OF THESE ELECTIONS COMING UP.

YOU KNOW, IT'S 20 YEARS AGO WE HAD A DEMOCRAT ELECTED GOVERNOR AND IN THE --20 YEARS SINCE REPUBLICAN RULES.

SO IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE SUCCESSFUL IN PAINTING THAT, THEY COULD --THEY COULD ACTUALLY WIN IN NOVEMBER.

>> ALL RIGHT.

STATE FAIR WRAPPED UP.

NO MORE STATE FAIRS FOR MIKE DeWINE.

SORRY, GOVERNOR.

BUT ALL KINDS OF RECORDS FOR REVENUE .

CONCESSIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I THINK THAT THAT'S BECAUSE OF INFLATION.

CORNDOGS -- I BET CORNDOGS WERE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IN PAST YEARS BECAUSE OF WHATEVER.

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