>>> PRESENTATION OF "IDAHO REPORTS" ON IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS REPORTER OF THE LAURA MOORE CUNNINGHAM FOUNDATION, COMMITTED TO FULFILLING THE MOORE AND BETTIS FAMILY LEGACY OF BUILDING THE GREAT STATE OF IDAHO, BUT THE FRIENDS OF IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION, AND BY THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

>>> THE RACE FOR IDAHO GOVERNOR IS A BIT DIFFERENT THIS YEAR WITH INCUMBENT REFUSING TO DEBATE.

I'M MLS.

I'D -- MILLS.

-- MELISSA DAVLIN.

"IDAHO REPORTS" STARTS NOW.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> HELLO AND WELCOME.

I SIT DOWN REQUEST TWO GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES, DEMOCRATIC DEVONE AND INDEPENDENT AMMON BUNDY TO DISCUSS WHY THEY'RE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

BUT FIRST, IN ADDITION TO STATE AND LOCAL CANDIDATES ON TUESDAY, VOTERS WILL ALSO DECIDE TO SJR102, THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW LAWMAKERS TO INDEPENDENTLY CALL THE LEGISLATURE BACK INTO SPECIAL SESSION WITHOUT THE GOVERNOR'S APPROVAL.

CURRENTLY, ONLY THE GOVERNOR CAN CALL LAWMAKERS BACK TO BOISE OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR SESSION.

J.J. R102 NEEDS A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO PASS ON TUESDAY AFTER LAWMAKERS PASSED THE RESOLUTION IN 2021.

EARLIER THIS WEEK FORMER GOVERNOR BUTCH OTTER CAME OUT AGAINST THE PROPOSAL.

>> WHAT THE IDAHO LEGISLATURE IS ASKING TO DO IS, WELL, VERY DANGEROUS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, TO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

AND VERY DANGEROUS FOR THE PEOPLE OF IDAHO.

SO IT'S MY HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE OF IDAHO GIVE IT A RESOUNDING "NO" AND A LARGE ENOUGH "NO" THAT THEY WON'T BRING IT UP AGAIN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

A LOT OF TIMES A LEGISLATOR WON'T GET THEIR WHAT I CALL RE-ELECTION BILL PASSED DURING THE REGULAR SESSION.

AND SO WHAT THEY'LL DO IS COME DOWN AND REQUEST, WOULD YOU CALL A SPECIAL SESSION, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS -- NOW, THAT'S JUST ONE LEGISLATOR.

BUT ANYBODY THAT KNOWS THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND THE LOBBYING THAT GOES ON BETWEEN THIS LEGISLATOR AND THAT, ALL RIGHT, HELP ME CALL THE LEGISLATURE BACK INTO SESSION AND THE NEXT TIME YOU WANT A SPECIAL SESSION, I'LL HELP YOU -- I'LL VOTE FOR YOU.

YOU VOTE FOR MY SPECIAL SESSION, I'LL VOTE FOR YOURS.

AND SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE -- I SAY AGAIN, IT'S A FULL-TIME LEGISLATURE.

>> ON WEDNESDAY IDAHO GOP CHAIRWOMAN DOROTHY MOON ISSUED A STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF SJR102, SAYING IT CORRECTS IDAHO'S HISTORIC ERROR AND PUTS THE LEGISLATIVE AND EXECUTIVE POWERS ON EQUAL FOOTING.

SHE ALSO POINTED OUT THAT IDAHO SUN WITH OF 13 STATES WHERE LAWMAKERS DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL THEMSELVES BACK INTO SESSION.

NOW, DON'T CONFUSE SJV VEN 2 WITH THE NONBINDING ADVISORY QUESTION THAT'S ALSO ON THE BALLOT.

THE ADVISORY QUESTION ASKS VOTERS WHETHER THEY APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF THE LEGISLATURE'S ACTIONS TO TAX CUTS AND EDUCATION SPENDING DURING THAT SEPTEMBER SPECIAL SESSION.

REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, THE RESULTS WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON POLICY, BUT COULD GUIDE THE PRIORITIES OF THE NEWLY ELECTED LEGISLATURE IN JANUARY.

ON ELECTION DAY THE "IDAHO REPORTS" TEAM WILL FOLLOW THE JULTS ON SJR102 IN ADDITION TO CONGRESSIONAL, STATEWIDE, AND LEGISLATIVE RACES.

JOIN US FOR A LIVE BLOG WITH LIVE COVERAGE AND ANALYSIS BEGINNING WHEN RESULTS START ROLLING IN ON TUESDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 P.M. MOUNTAIN TIME, 8:00 P.M. PACIFIC.

AND ON WEDNESDAY LOOK FOR OUR BREAKDOWN OF WHO WON AND LOST ON THE "IDAHO REPORTS" PODCAST.

YOU'LL FIND THE LINKS TO ALL OF OUR ONLINE COVERAGE AT IDAHOPTV.ORG/IDAHOREPORTS.

>>> THIS YEAR WE AT IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION ALONG WITH DEBATE ORGANIZERS NATIONWIDE SAW A HANDLE OF INCUMBENTS DECLINE TO DEBATE, INCLUDING GOVERNOR BRAD LITTLE, WHO IS FACING FOUR CHALLENGERS IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

OF THOSE, WHO QUALIFIED FOR OUR DEBATE THAT DIDN'T END UP HAPPENING.

DEMOCRAT STEPHAN HEIDT AND INDEPENDENT AMMON BUNDY.

EARLIER THIS WEEK I SAT DOWN WITH BOTH CANDIDATES FOR ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS STARTING WITH MR. HEIDT.

>> THE MAIN ISSUES I'M RUNNING ON NUMBER ONE, THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION.

NUMBER TWO, EDUCATION.

I'M A LIFETIME EDUCATOR.

NUMBER THREE IS WOMEN'S AUTONOMY.

AND NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

>> SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

IDAHO'S ECONOMY HAS BEEN VERY STRONG THE PAST FEW YEARS COMPARED TO OTHER STATES.

AND WHETHER THE PANDEMIC FAIRLY -- WEATHERED THE PANDEMIC FAIRLY WELL.

WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD YOU CHANGE TO IMPROVE IDAHO'S ECONOMY?

>> WELL, THE ECONOMY -- PANDEMIC -- YOU KNOW, DID CAUSE SOME STRAIN ON THE ECONOMY BUT NOT AS MUCH AS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR.

AND WHAT'S GONNA -- WHAT'S GONNA BE THE EASIEST WAY TO AFFECT THE ECONOMY AND EASE BURDENS IS TAXING AND PART OF MY -- ECONOMY WOULD BE A TAX REFORM.

AND MORE ESPECIALLY PROPERTY TAXES.

>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY WITH PROPERTY TAXES WOULD YOU CHANGE?

>> I WOULD LOOK TO RESTRUCTURE IT SO THAT BUSINESSES CARRY A FAIR SHARE OF THE TAXATION BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT 15% LESS IN PROPERTY TAXES NOW.

AND YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE IDAHOAN MAKES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 AND $100,000 A YEAR.

AND THAT BUSINESSES MAKE NOTABLY MORE LARGE CORPORATE -- MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS, THEY MAKE NOTABLY MORE MONEY AND THEY HAVE THE WHERE WITH THE FLEX TO PAY THOSE TAXES MUCH MORE THAN THE AVERAGE RESIDENT HERE IN IDAHO.

>> THE TRACTORS WOULD -- DETRACTORS WOULD SAY PART OF THE REASON IDAHO'S ECONOMY IS SO STRONG AND HAS GROWN IS BECAUSE OF THOSE PROPERTY TAX -- LOWER PROPERTY TAXES FOR BUSINESSES ALONG WITH OTHER BUSINESS INCENTIVES.

HOW DO YOU WIN THOSE VOTERS OVER?

>> YOU KNOW, I EXPECT TO WIN A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE VOTE OVER.

I DON'T EXPECT TO WIN EVERYBODY OVER.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THE TAXES -- WHEN YOU'RE TALKING THE PROPERTY TAXES, OKAY, THE BUSINESSES CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

AND RIGHT NOW, THE PROPERTY TAX HAS BEEN SO HIGH ON THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR, THAT A LOT OF IDAHOANS HAVE HAD TO SELL THEIR HOME BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE PROPERTY TAXES, HOMES THEY'VE HAD LIVE IN FOR DECADES.

AND THAT'S THE UNJUST THERE.

-- INJUSTICE THERE.

AT WHAT POINT ARE WE WILLING TO BENEFIT THE BUSINESES SO MUCH SO THAT I'D HANS -- IDAHOANS HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF STATE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IDAHO ANYMORE.

>> YOU ALSO MENTIONEDGESTION.

IN EARL -- MENTION EDUCATION.

THE LEGISLATION APPROVED A MAJOR INVESTMENT IN K-12 EDUCATION.

HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST THE LEGISLATURE USE THAT 330 MILLION FOR K-12 EDUCATION AND 80 MILLION FOR THE HIGHER EDUCATION OR IN DEMAND CAREER TRAINING?

>> IT'S KIND OF LAID OUT IN ITSELF LIKE THAT.

BUT WITHIN THE 300 MILLION FOR EDUCATION, I WOULD FOCUS PRIMARILY PROBABLY ABOUT 605% ON TEACHER SALARIES.

AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RECONSIDERED BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.

BUT I WOULD WANT TEACHER SALARIES TO BECOME MORE COMPETITIVE WITH THE STATES AROUND US SO THAT THERE'S NOT A VACUUM SUCKING TEACHERS OUT BUT A VACUUM PULLING TEACHERS IN.

THEREFORE, I DO WANT IDAHO TO BECOME CMPETITIVE SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE TEACHERS, NOT HAVE THE 900 VACANCIES.

AND HOPEFULLY ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, GOOD QUALITY EDUCATORS THAT CAN HELP BRING OUR SCORES UP.

MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, BOTH PARTIES HAVE ALWAYS SAID EDUCATE IS THE TOP OF THE LIST.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, FOR 25 YEARS, IDAHO IS STILL 49TH OR 50TH IN SPENDING, 49TH OR 50TH IN STANDARDIZED SCORES, TESTING SCORES.

SO WHATEVER -- YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAS BEEN SAID, THE RESULTS ARE NOT AGREEING WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT SO THAT -- WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

>> SO YOU SAY 65% OF THE 330 MILLION SHOULD NO GO TEACHER PACE.

THAT'S ABOUT -- PAY.

THAT'S THERE 170 ADDITIONAL WITH WHAT WE'VE -- $170 MILLION ADDITIONAL WITH WHAT THEY'VE PUT IN THE LADDER.

IS THIS TO IMPROVE TEST SCORES AND MATH SCORES THAT SHOULD BE SUCH A CONCERN FOR PARENTS ACROSS THE STATE?

>> IS IT A GUARANTEE?

NO.

BUT IT'S CAN EASILY BE SAID -- AND I'M GOING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE TO HELP UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A REALISTIC EXAMPLE.

BUT IT HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND.

ONE TEACHER, ONE HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER HAS 40 STUDENTS IN HIS CLASS, ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER HAS 10 STUDENTS IN CLASS.

HOW MUCH TEACHER-TO-STUDENT TIME WILL THE TEACHER THAT HAS 40 STUDENTS HAVE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER TEACHER THAT HAS 10 STUDENTS?

IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT MORE TEACHER TIME.

THE AVERAGE HIGH SCHOOL CLASS RIGHT NOW IN IDAHO IS ABOUT 30 TO 35 STUDENTS.

THE AVERAGE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CLASSROOM IS AROUND 25 STUDENTS.

AND THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN -- I'VE BEEN IN PRISON EDUCATION FOR 15 YEARS.

THAT COULD HAVE CHANGED.

THAT DYNAMIC.

AND I'M SPEAKING OF 15, 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS STILL IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

AND SO IF YOU CAN REDUCE THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN A CLASSROOM, YOU WILL INCREASE THE CONTACT TIME, ONE-ON-ONE CONTACT TIME WITH TEACHER WITH STUDENTS, INDID YOU -- INDISPUTABLY.

IDAHO HAD 900 TEACHING POSITIONS UNFILLED LAST YEAR.

WELL, HOW THEY HANDLED THAT, IS THEY SPREAD THE STUDENTS OUT INTO OTHER CLASSES, MADE THE CLASSES LARGER.

LESS CONTACT TIME.

WILL IT HELP WITH THE OVERALL SCORES?

IT WILL.

BUT THERE ARE MANY ASPECTS TO THE DYNAMIC OF RAISING A TEST SCORE, WHETHER IT'S MATH, WHETHER IT'S LANGUAGE, WHETHER IT'S READING.

AND SO THAT'S JUST ONE ASPECT OF THE OVERALL DYNAMIC OF RAISING TEST SCORES.

AND WE WILL -- YOU WILL SEE IT.

IT WOULD NUDGE IT A LITTLE BIT.

YOU HAVE TO INFLUENCE OTHER THINGS, TOO.

>> YOU ALSO MENTIONED REPRODUCTIVE ISSUES.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN IDAHO OF REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING FOR FEWER THAN HALF OF THE RACES IN THIS STATE.

HOW WOULD YOU GET YOUR PROPOSALS ON REPRODUCTIVE ISSUES AND REPRODUCTIVE ACCESS THROUGH A LEGISLATURE THAT HAS DEFINITIVELY SAID THAT WE ARE ANTIABORTION?

>> WELL, FIRST OFF, FINAL -- WHAT COMES TO MY DESK, I SIMPLY SEND IT BACK TO THEM.

THAT'S THE EASY THING.

AND I SAY, WHEN IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO ME, THEN IT WILL PASS.

YOU KNOW, I'M ACTUALLY MODERATE.

AND SO YOU KNOW, FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH OF A FIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK CONSERVATIVELY ON AND THINGS I THINK PROGRESSIVELY ON.

SO GETTING THE TWO SIDES TO ALIGN, I DON'T THINK WILL BE THAT HARD.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH ME AND BRING THINGS TO A STANDSTILL, I DON'T SEE THE LEGISLATURE NOT WANTING TO WORK WITH ME BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S -- IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE TO JUST SAY, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE JUST GONNA WRITE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T WANT.

I DON'T SEE THEM DOING THAT.

AND I HAVE A CONFIDENCE THAT MOST LEGISLATORS TO SOME EXTENT ARE EITHER HAVE THEIR CONSTITUENCY IN MIND.

THEY NEED TO HAVE THEIR CONSTITUENCY IN MIND AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE BILLS THAT WOULD COME TO YOUR DESK IF YOU'RE ELECTED.

CURRENTLY IDAHO HAS A NEAR TOTAL BAN ON ABORTION, WITH VERY NARROW EXCEPTIONS.

WOULD YOU TRY TO DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT STATUTE?

>> YES.

FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS I WOULD LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT I'M -- YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR IS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND I WOULD NOT -- I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO -- GOVERNOR WOULD NOT EXECUTE YOU KNOW, THE FOLLOW-THROUGH -- I WOULD RELAX YOU KNOW, PURSUING THOSE WHO VIOLATED THOSE LAWS AT THIS TIME.

>> IT -- BUT YOU HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL TO DO IT THAT -- TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S UP TO THE 44 PROSECUTORS IN EACH OF THE COUNTIES.

>> I SAID ENCOURAGE.

I DIDN'T SAY THAT I WOULD MAKE THEM DO IT.

I CAN'T MAKE THEM DO IT, BUT I CAN ENCOURAGE.

AND YES, THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND THE GOVERNOR, ALL HE CAN DO IS ENCOURAGE IN CERTAIN ASPECTS.

OKAY.

I AM ALSO, AS SOON AS I GET INTO OFFICE, I WOULD BEGIN TO SEE ABOUT PROCEDURES AND WAYS TO RESCIND THOSE LAWS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS NOW.

BUT I WOULD -- YOU KNOW, NEED TO GET SOME LEGAL COUNSEL TO FIND OUT HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING IT, BECAUSE I WOULD LOOK -- LOOK -- I WOULD LOOK TO REPLACE THOSE LAWS WHICH WERE MORE AGREEABLE TO BOTH SIDES.

>> YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE AN EDUCATOR WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR APPROACH TO CRIMINAL STATUTES AROUND CANNABIS.

YOU'VE SUGGESTED DECRIMINALIZING MARIJUANA POSSESSION.

BUT NOT LEGALIZING IT.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AND HOW DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD BENEFIT IDAHO?

>> FIRST UP, I DON'T THINK IDAHO IS READY TO LEGALIZE RECREATIONAL USE OF MARIJUANA.

I THINK IDAHO IS VERY READY TO LEGALIZE MEDICAL USE OF MARIJUANA.

AND DECRIMINALIZING WOULD SIMPLY MEAN WE'RE NOT GONNA PUTT YOU IN JAIL, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE, PER PRISONER.

TO PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL.

SOMEWHERE AROUND $100 A DAY TO KEEP SOMEBODY IN JAIL.

PLUS THE COURT COSTS OF GETTING THEM THERE AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE COSTS INVOLVED.

IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE PER YEAR PER PRISONER.

IF WE JUST SAY WE MAKE IT LIKE A TRAFFIC TICKET, YOU KNOW.

AND SAY, HERE'S A TICKET FOR $150 FOR YOU KNOW, SMOKING A JOINT OF MARIJUANA, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT NOT ONLY -- DO WE NOT PUT THEM IN JENCOSTS 100 DOLLARS A DAY TO THE TAXPAYERS, BUT IT BECOMES A SOURCE OF REVENUE A LITTLE.

>> WE HAVE MORE WITH STEPHAN HEIDT ONLINE.

YOU CAN FIND THAT AT IDAHOPTV.ORG/IDAHOREPORTS.

>>> INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE AMMON BUNDY ALWAYS QUALIFIED FOR OUR D-BACKS.

>> ELIMINATING PROGRESSIVE TAXES IS HOW I'D SUMMARIZE IT.

CERTAINLY THAT INCLUDES THE ELIMINATION OF PROPERTY TAX AND INCOME TAX.

I BELIEVE THE ONLY MORAL WAY TO TAX PEOPLE IS THROUGH A CONSUMPTION SALES.

>> -- TAX.

>> A SALES TAX.

>> YEAH.

I'VE PROCEEDS WHAT HAD WE SHOULD DO TO REPLACE PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE THERE IS LEGITIMATE PURPOSES OF GOVERNMENT AND WE NEED TO FUND THOSE.

AND THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO DO THAT.

AND SO YOU KNOW, JUST ELIMINATING TAXES ALTOGETHER AND NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE WITH IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PART OF MY PROPOSAL.

BUT I ALSO DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE STATE BEING ABLE TO LIEN OUR PROPERTIES, OUR HOMES, THROUGH OUR CURRENT PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM.

AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO ELIMINATE AND CHANGE IT.

>> SO YOU HAVE PROPOSED DOING AWAY WITH PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH ISN'T COLLECTED BY THE STATE.

IT DUND FUND -- DOES FUND LOVELY GOVERNMENT -- LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

HOW WOULD YOU RELACE THAT -- REPLACE THAT PUN -- >> -- THAT MONEY -- >> AS GOVERNOR I WOULD NEED TO LEGISLATURE TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO HAPPEN.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE ON TOPICS SUCH AS THIS.

AND SO I WOULD BE PROPOSING THAT WE AGAIN REPLACE IT WITH A CONSUMPTION TAX.

SO AT THE POINT OF SALE OR AT THE PURCHASE, THAT THERE COULD BE A OPINION WOULD BE A CONSUMPTION TAX ON IT AND THAT TAX WOULD REPLACE THE TAXES THAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

AND SO WE GET RID OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAVE TO PAY ON OUR HOMES FOREVER OR THE STATE TAKES IT.

AND WE STILL FUND THE LEGITIMATE PURPOSES OF GOVERNMENT.

AND AGAIN, I BROKE THAT DOWN AT VOTE BUNDY.COM ON MY WEBSITE.

>> WOULD YOU PROPOSE RAISING THE SALES TAX, BECAUSE FOR MOST GOODS, THAT'S 6%.

WOULD YOU NEED TO BUMP THAT UP TO REPLACE THE MORE THAN $2 BILLION JUST FROM PROPERTY TAX ALONE?

>> SO I -- WE WILL NOT HAVE TO RAISE THE CURRENT SALES TAX TO COMPENSATE FOR THE PROPERTY TAX.

AND AGAIN, I'VE LAID THAT OUT VERY CLEARLY ON MY WEBSITE.

HOWEVER, IF WE WANT TO GET RID OF INCOME TAX AND WE WANT TO CLEAR SOME OF THESE OTHER TAXES UP, THEN THERE MAY NEED TO BE AN INCREASE.

>> WHAT WOULD THAT INCREASE BE?

>> LET ME JUST SAY WITH THAT SAID, THOUGH, WE HAVE PROGRAMS IN THE STATE THAT I BELIEVE ARE ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY.

WE NEED TO MINIMIZE THOSE PROGRAMS OR ELIMINATE THOSE PROGRAMS.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 40% OF OUR BUDGET TO THE STATE BUDGET GOES TO WELFARE PROGRAMS.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE AN A NOON -- BE A NANNY STATE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE STATE SHOULD BE PROVIDING THAT AMOUNT OF WELFARE SERVICES.

AND SO THAT ALONE IS ALMOST $4 BILLION A YEAR.

AND SO LET'S REDIRECT THAT, LOWER THE TAXES OF THE PEOPLE OF IDAHO, AND ALLOW THEM TO PAY THEIR OWN BILLS.

>> ABOUT WELFARE, YOU SAID YOU WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE THESE WELFARE PROGRAMS.

DOES THAT INCLUDE AID FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES?

>> I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SERVICES FOR THE STATE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO YOU KNOW, CHILDREN AND THE NEED FOR CHILDREN TO HAVE HOMES AND THAT -- WHERE THEIR PARENTS AREN'T DOING THAT OR ARE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING THAT OR ARE NOT AROUND.

THAT'S KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE STATE HAS WORKED AT A LITTLE BIT.

BUT WE NEED TO PUSH THESE SERVICES BACK ON TO THE CHURCHES AND TO THE FAMILIES AND TO THE COMMUNITIES.

AND GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS LIKE THE HOMELESS HERE IN THE BOISE AREA.

WE HAVE THE BOISE RESCUE MISSION WHO DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB AT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SERVICES TO THOSE PEOPLE.

AND TO HELPING THEM TO HAVE FOOD AND A PLACE TO STAY AND CLOTHING AND ALL OF THAT.

AND NONE OF THAT IS GOVERNMENT FUNDED.

NONE OF THAT -- THOSE FUNDS COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

AND YET THEY'RE PROVIDING THE BULK OF THE SERVICE HERE IN BOISE IN THAT AREA, IF YOU WILL.

AND IT'S NOT A BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYER.

AND THEY'RE MUCH BETTER AT IT THAN THE GOVERNMENT IS.

>> IT'S A TERM PRAYER FACILITY.

IT'S NOT -- TEMPORARY FACILITY.

IT'S NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR FOLKS EXPERIENCNG HOMELESSNESS.

>> I DON'T THINK WELFARE SHOULD EVER BE A PERMANENT SERVICE.

>> ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU SAID THAT PRIVATE CHARITIES AND CHURCHES SHOULD BE STEPPING IN TO HELP WITH -- YOU'VE MENTIONED ON YOUR WEBSITE, FOOD AID AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WHO NEED HOME HEALTHCARE.

>> CORRECT.

>> ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO HOME HEALTHCARE WORKERS THERE IS ALREADY A SHORTAGE THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING IN THIS STATE.

IF THAT GAP IS ALREADY THERE, ARE THE CHURCHES STEPPING UP TO FULFILL THOSE NEEDS AS THEY ARE?

AND IF NOT, ARE THEY PREPARED FOR EVEN MORE?

>> WELL, THEY WON'T AS LONG AS THE STATE IS GOING TO FILL IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN.

AS LONG AS THE STATE -- YOU KNOW, TRIES TO FILL A VOID, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A FAMILY DUTY, PARENTS, WHETHER IT'S THE CHURCH, THEN IT SEEMS LIKE SOCIETY WILL ALLOW THE STATE TO DO THAT.

BUT THE STATE DOESN'T DO IT VERY WELL.

IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.

IT'S CONSUMED BY BUREAUCRACIES AND RED TAPE.

AND I JUST BELIEVE AND BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE KNOW WORKED AND IT'S BEEN WORKING THAT WAY FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND WE NEED TO PUSH IT BACK ON TO THE FAMILIES, BACK TO THE CHURCHES, BACK TO THE COMMUNITIES.

AND SOMETIMES THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE.

IT MIGHT CREATE A FEW VACUUMS HERE AND THERE.

BUT ULTIMATELY IN THE END, IT IS MUCH, MUCH BETTER FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING -- INCLUDING THE TAXPAYER.

>> YOU'VE ALSO PROPOSED DOING AWAY WITH INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX.

THAT'S 42% OF THE 6.2 BILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE COLLECTED BY THE STATE LAST FISCAL YEAR.

DOES THAT INCLUDE CORPORATE INCOME TAX, FIRST OF ALL?

>> I THINK THAT CORPORATIONS, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DUTY TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, IF YOU WILL.

I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNED WHERE WE BRING A BIG CORPORATION THEY PROVIDE LOW TO MIDDLE INCOME JOBS.

WE GIVE THEM TAX CUTS AND TAX REBATES.

YOU KNOW AND, THEY DON'T HELP PAY FOR THE LEGITIMATE PURPOSES OF GOVERNMENT.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE AN EQUAL ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND I DON'T SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY BENEFIT FROM THAT TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

I BELIEVE AN ACCURATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ONE THAT WE SHOULD IMPLEMENT HERE IN IDAHO BENEFITS THE INDIVIDUAL, THE ENTREPRENEUR.

AND THE YOUNG BUSINESSES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WEALTH IS TRULY GENERATED AND THAT'S WHERE JOBS ARE CREATED.

GOOD JOBS.

AND I -- I WILL DIRECT MY EFFORTS THAT WAY, NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE ATTRACTIVE AS A STATE TO CORPORATIONS.

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

BUT TRYING TO ATTRACT THEM BY GIVING THEM TAX CUTS OR EVEN -- YOU KNOW, TAX REBATES, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT REALLY FITS INTO THE NEEDS OF THE STATE OF IDAHO.

>> YOU'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT UNNECESSARY GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS, BUT WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU SEE GOVERNMENT AS HAVING CERTAIN PREFERABLES, WHAT ARE THOSE?

>> CERTAINLY PROPER ROLES IN OUR POLICING AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT, THAT WE LIVE IN SAFE COMMUNITIES.

I THINK A LOT OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY NEEDS TO FALL UPON THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

SO THERE'S CERTAINLY THAT.

I BELIEVE -- AGAIN, THERE'S A ROLE IN SOME OF THE NEEDS TO FILL THE VOIDS AND SO FORTH WHEN IT COMES TO SOME IMMEDIATE NEEDS FOR CHILDREN IN NEED.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY JUST THE OVERALL ROLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COUNTY RECORDERS ARE FUNDED, OUR RECORDS ARE KEPT, AND SO THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE A LEGITIMATE WAY TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT CLAIMS THEY HAVE, WHAT MIGHT, THEIR TITLES THEIR DEEDS.

AND EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COURTS, THERE IS A NEED FOR THE COURTS.

SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A DISPUTE, THEY HAVE A PLACE TO GO WORK THAT OUT, THAT'S PEACEFUL.

SO THESE ARE SOME LEGITIMATE PURPOSES OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE NEED TO FUND.

OUR ROADS ARE IMPORTANT, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT MANY, MANY OF THE PROGRAMS IN GOVERNMENT REALLY NEED TO BE MINIMIZED OR ELIMINATED.

>> YOU HAVE SET IN A RECENT VIDEO THAT WERE YOU HOPING THAT SOMEBODY WOULD, QUOTE, TAKE CARE OF A JUDGE WHO ISSUED A RULING THAT -- THAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE FOR SOMEBODY WHO WAS ENGAGED IN A PROTEST AT A LOCAL PUBLIC OFFICIAL'S HOUSE.

WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU MEAN BY THAT?

>> WE HAVE A LOT OF INJUSTICES GOING ON.

ROBERT JONES WAS -- YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, POUNDING ON A -- I THINK A HOME DEPOT BUCKET ON A PUBLIC STREET AND HE WAS ARRESTED FOR DISTURBING THE PEACE AND THIS JUDGE GAVE HIM A SENTENCE OF SIX MONTHS IN JAIL.

>> THEY WERE ALSO PLAYING SOUNDS OF GUNFIRE, RIGHT, OUTSIDE -- >> ROBERT JONES WASN'T.

HE WAS POUNDING ON A BUCKET AND HE WAS GIVEN SIX MONTHS.

HOW IS THAT FREE SPEECH IN ANY WAY?

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.

HE WAS POUNDING ON A BUCKET, STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK.

AND THIS JUDGE SENTENCED HIM TO SIX MONTHS.

SHE DID IT BECAUSE SHE'S A POLITICAL MACHINE.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE JUDGES THAT ARE BIAS LIKE THAT.

AND THAT'S MY OPINION AND I THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTE INJUSTICE WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.

>> YOU ALSO SAID HOPEFULLY WE CAN TAKE CARE OF HER PEACEFULLY.

SO ARE YOU OPEN TO POLITICAL VIOLENCE IN THESE CASES AND WHAT LEVEL OF VIOLENCE?

>> SO THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF A JUDGE.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN VOTE THEM OUT.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROCESS THROUGH THIS IDAHO SUPREME COURT THAT YOU GO THROUGH TO HAVE THEM REMOVED.

YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESSES.

I BELIEVE THAT JUDGE SHOULD NOT CONTINUE AS A JUDGE.

I THINK SHE SHOWED HER BIAS.

AND HER INJUSTICE.

AND I KNOW -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE FAMILY THAT'S SUFFERING BECAUSE OF IT.

AND ROBERT JONES IS IN JAIL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE POUNDED ON A BUCKET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY ON THE STREET.

>> ARE YOU OPEN TO POLITICAL VIOLENCE?

>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY POLITICAL VIOLENCE?

>> WELL, I'M ASKING BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID IN THE VIDEO.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO IT PEACEFULLY.

AND SO IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE?

>> HOW IS THAT IN ANY WAY PROMOTING VIOLENCE?

I SAID HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO IT PEACEFULLY.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S OF COURSE WHAT I WOULD HOPE.

THAT'S WHAT MY DESIRE.

YOU KNOW AS WELL AS ANYBODY ELSE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER NONPEACEFUL METHODS THAT ARE USED.

I'M SAYING I DON'T CONDONE THAT.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO IT PEACEFULLY.

ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE OR WANT IT TO BE DONE PEACEFULLY I DON'T BELIEVE IS IN THE RIGHT MIND.

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