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SCOTT BUSINESS SINCE 1866, KALAUPAPA ON MOLOKAI, HAS BEEN HOME TO PEOPLE LIVING WITH HANSEN'S DISEASE OR LEPROSY.

THOUSANDS WERE BANISHED THE AFTER BEING DIAGNOSED WITHR EVEN SUSPECTED OF HAVING TE ILLNESS.

TODAY, KALAUPAPA IS A REFUE FOR THE FEW REMAINING RESIDENTS, MOST WHO ARE IN THEIR EIGHTIES.

SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT FR THE ISOLATED PENINSULA?

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST AD LIVE STREAM OF KAKOU, HAW'S TOWN HALL, START NOW.

>> YUNJI: ALOHA AND WELCOMO KAKOU: HAWAII'S TOWN HALL, LIVE FROM THE HARRY AND JEANETTE WEINBERG MULTI-MEA STUDIO.

I'M YUNJI DE NIES.

KALAUPAPA IS ONE OF THE MOT ISOLATED PLACES IN HAWAII.

SURROUNDED BY OCEAN ON THRE SIDES AND SOME OF THE TALLT SEA CLIFFS IN THE WORLD, TE PENINSULA ON MOLOKAI'S NORH SHORE BECAME THE SITE OF FORCED EXILE FOR THOUSANDSF PEOPLE DIAGNOSED WITH HAN'S DISEASE.

NOW, AS THE PATIENT POPULAN DWINDLES, QUESTIONS ARE GROWING ABOUT HOW KALAUPAPA SHOULD BE PRESERVED, PROTED AND REMEMBERED, BUT BEFOREE LOOK AHEAD, WE MUST FIRST WHEN THE SETTLEMENT WAS FIT ESTABLISHED IN 1866, THERES NO CURE FOR THE DISEASE ONE KNOWN AS LEPROSY.

FEAR SHAPED GOVERNMENT POL.

FAMILIES WERE SEPARATED.

MY PEOPLE SENT TO KALAUPAPA WD NEVER RETURN HOME.

OVER THE YEARS, PBS HAWAI'S LESLIE WILCOX DOCUMENTED TE STORIES OF PATIENTS, PRESERVING FIRSTHAND ACCOUS OF LIFE IN THE SETTLEMENT.

>>NORBERT PALEA: IN THAT T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HERE TO, YOU'RE EXILED, YOU'RE HEREO DIE, EVER TO SEE THEM AGAI.

SO, WHEN YOU HAVE A FUNERA, AND YOU PASS AWAY, AT LEAST YOU HAVE CLOSURE, BUT THISO BE LIVING HERE, KNOWING THT YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND FAMIY OUT, AND THERE'S NO PHONES BEFORE, WE USED TO HAVE THE CRANK PHONE.

WE HAD NO PHONE TO CALL HONOLULU AND WE COULDN'T WE LETTERS.

THEY STOPPED US.

>>LESLIE: THEY STOPPED YOU FROM WRITING LETTERS?

>>NORBERT: WELL THEY USED O FUMIGATE EVERYTHING.

THEY D TO CUT THE CORNERS, AND THY USED TO FUMIGATE IT OVERNIT IN THE FUMIGATION ROOM.

ANY FATHER SAID, ALL THE TIMES THEY DO, THEY'D STERILIZE M SO THEY DON'T GET CHILDREN AGAIN.

THE SUFFERING IN KALAUPAPA DREW WORLDWIDE ATTENTION.

FATHER DAMIEN AND MOTHER MARIANNE COPE DEVOTED THEIR LIVES TO CARING FOR PATIENS THERE ─ WORK THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY LEAD BOTH TO SAINTHOOD IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

BUT EVEN IN ISOLATION, THE PEOPLE OF KALAUPAPA BUILT COMMUNITY, FORMING CHURCHE, CHOIRS, SPORTS TEAMS, AND P BONDS.

THEY CREATED LIVES FILLED WITH NOT ONLY HARDS, BUT FRIENDSHIP, HUMOR, FAIH AND RESILIENCE.

>>LESLIE: WHAT WAS IT LIKE LIVING HERE WHEN YOU WERE A KID?

>>CLARENCE “BOOGIE” KALIHI: IT WAS ALRIGHT.

NOBODY TELLING ME WHAT TO .

WE WENT DOWN TO THE BEACH.

NO FENCES AROUND.

I THINK WE HAVE TO BE HOME, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTE BIT OF CONTROL IN THE, ON DON'T STAY UP LATE, WE HAVE TO, NEED OUR NAP IN THE AFTERNOON.

IT WAS GOOD.

I LIKED IT.

LIFE IN KALAUPAPA ALSO MEAT LIVING WITH THE PHYSICAL REALITIES OF HANSEN'S DISEE ─ INJURIES THAT COULD WORSN OVER TIME BECAUSE PATIENTS OFTEN LOST FEELING IN THEIR HANDS AND FEET, AND MANY LT THEIR EYESIGHT.

>>MAKIA MALO: STARTING WITH BLISTER, AND BECAUSE YOU 'T FEEL, YOU KEEP USING YOUR HANDS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE IT DRESSED.

SOMETIMES YOU GET THE PAIN, BUT IT DOESN'T LAST FOREVE.

AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KN, YOU LOSE ONE FINGER, YOU LE THE SECOND FINGER, AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE THIS SLIT AT TE BOTTOM, THE BASE OF THE FIR IN THE PALM, AND ULCERS INE FEET, SO THOSE TWO PLACES N THE BODY SUFFERED THE MOST DAMAGES.

EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS EMERGD IN THE 1940S, AND MANDATORY ISOLATION OFFICIALLY ENDEDN 1969.

STILL, MANY RESIDENTS CHOSO REMAIN IN KALAUPAPA - IT HD BECOME THEIR HOME.

TODAY, WITH FEWER THAN TEN PATIENTS STILL LIVING THER, HAWAII FACES THE QUESTION F WHAT SHOULD COME NEXT.

>>YUNJI: KAKOU MEANS ALL OF US.

TONIGHT, WE COME TOGETHER O DISCUSS KALAUPAPA'S FUTURE.

HOW SHOULD THIS LAND ─ SACD TO NATIVE HAWAIIANS AND DEY TIED TO THE HISTORY OF HANSEN'S DISEASE IN HAWAI─- BE CARED FOR IN THE YEARS AHEAD?

AND HOW DO WE HONOR THE PEE WHO LIVED AND BUILT COMMUNY THERE?

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IN OUR DISCUSSION.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YR QUESTIONS.

WE'RE ALSO STREAMING LIVE T PBSHAWAII.ORG AND OUR YOUTE PAGE.

>>YUNJI: IN OUR TOWN HALL TONIGHT, WE HAVE GOVERNMENT LEADERS, NATIVE HAWAIIAN ADVOCATES, MOLOKAI COMMUNIY MEMBERS, DESCENDANTS CONNED TO KALAUPAPA, MEDICAL EXPES AND THOSE HELPING SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THIS HISTORIC PL.

WE DO WANT TO MENTION THAT BOARD OF LAND AND NATURAL RESOURCES CHAIR DAWN CHANGD ACCEPT OUR INVITATION TO BE HERE TONIGHT BUT LET US KNW TODAY THAT SHE WAS UNEXPECTEDLY UNABLE TO ATT.

SO, LET'S BEGIN.

STARTS WITH DR.

KALANI BRAY CARE FOR PATIENTS AT KALAUA FOR NEARLY 3 DECADES.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT KALAUPAPA, WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO MOST UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BUILT THERE BEYOND THE STIGMA OFE DISEASE.

>> PEACE AND JOY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAD HANSEN'S DISEASE IN KALAUPAPA.

THEY ACCEPTED AS SAID ON TE FEW MINUTES AGO, THEY ACCED THEIR PLACE IN KALAUPAPA.

KALAUPAPA BECAME AN OHANA O ITSELF.

MANY IF NOT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS OF KALAUPAPA, 8,0 OVER THE 150 YEARS PLUS THT WE'VE HAD, WERE OKIED BY TR FAMILY ALSO BECAUSE OF THE FEAR AND FAME OF THE DISEA.

THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW IT WAS SPREAD AND SO TR OHANA, THEIR FAMILY BECAMEE OTHER RESIDENTS OF THE SETT EVERYBODY ON FIRST FLAME BASIS.

KALAUPAPA MOVED FIRST NAME BASIS.

KALAUPAPA MOVED AS A UNIT.

WENT TO BAPTISMS TOPSIDE WEDDINGS FUNERALS INTRODUCD THIS IS KALAUPAPA.

WE WOULD ALL STAND AS ONE D THAT'S HOW THESE PATIENTS LIVED.

THEY ACCEPTED WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND THEY WERE REMARKABLY JOYFUL AND PEACL AND VERY, VERY FAITHFUL ALT ALL OF THEM WENT NOT ONLY O THE P PROTESTANT CHURCH HAE FIRST SERVICE, BUT CATHOLIC CHICKECATHOLICCHURCH.

20 MINUTES EVERYBODY WENT O THE PROTESTANT CHURCH AND CATHOLIC CHURCH.

>>Yunji: WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY LIKE TODAY.

>> SMALL COMMUNITY.

STARTED 25 OR SO YEARS AGO, THERE WERE PARTIES EVERY NIGHT.

THAT WAS THE JOY.

THERE WAS A BAR THAT ARE SD BEER AND WINE.

SIGN AS BAR MOST RECENTLY.

AND IT WAS A VERY ACTIVE SETTLEMENT.

NOW WITH THE FEW THAT REMA, AVERAGING IN THEIR 90s WITH A COUPLE OVER 100, THEY ARE CARED FOR AND THEY ARE STIL CLOSE FRIENDS WITH EACH OTR AND WITH THE THREE KAUK AMT OF WHICH I AM A PART.

KAUKA THAT HAVE TAKEN CAREF THEM FOR 25 YEARS.

>>Yunji: THANK YOU FOR PAINTING THAT PICTURE SO DESCRIPTIVE REALLY GET A SE WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE THE.

NANCY SUPERINTENDENT OF KALAUPAPA NATIONAL HISTORIC PARK.

I WANT TO SHOW US A MAP HEE OF THE AREA THAT IS UNDER E JURISDICTION RIGHT NOW OF K SERVICE.

BECAUSE IT REALLY PAINTS A PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THAT A ALL THERE IN GREEN ENCOMPAS KALAUPAPA NATIONAL HISTORIL PARK.

AND WHEN I THINK PEOPLE HEE HEREHEAR THAT AND SEE THE MU ASSUME THAT'S PARK SERVICE CONTROLS THE ENTIRE PENINS.

NOT EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS.

CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH HOW TJURISDICTION WORKS TODAY,K SERVICE HEALTH DEPARTMENT D MAUI COUNTY.

>> DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE HO.

JURISDICTION COMPLEX.

HEASIESTWAY TO DESCRIBE ITT HE RELATIONSHIP TO EVERY LANDOWNER.

PREDOMINANT LANDOWNER DEPARTMENT OF LANDS NATURAL RESOURCES 2/3 OF THE PROPEY LITTLE LESS THAN A THIRD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DEPARTMENT OF HAWAIIAN HOME LANDS, AROUND SETTLEMENT, LITTLE PIECE OF DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION, THERE'S ALO PRIVATELY HE HELDS LANDS TF PALI RW MEYER.

THREE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HE FACILITIES THERE AS WELL.

KIND OF PROPERTY AND HOLDI.

THEN CURRENTLY, THE PARK SERVICE AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH COMANAGE THE DAY-TOY OPERATIONS.

EASIEST WAY.

OWN COUNTY.

>>Yunji: IF SOMEBODY WERE O WANT TO VISIT HOW DOES THAT WORK.

>> OKAY.

SO WHEN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CAME IN IN 1980, SO U.S.

CONGRESS GAVE US PRETY CLEAR RULE BOOK UNLIKE LOTF NATIONAL PARKS YOU ARE OURS HAVE VERY SPECIFIC PUC LIB LAW.

CAPPED VISITATION 100 PEOPE PER DAY.

AS FAR AS I KNOW OTHER THAN THE CON ONIZATIN EVENTS HAVEN'T COME CLOSE O NUMBER OVER TIME.

CANNONIZATION, BIG NOD TO E FACT PATIENTS BEEN RUNNING TOUR FOR THE KALAUPAPA FORE PUBLIC THR THROUGH CONCESSN CONTRACT WITH THE STATE.

SO WE EXTENDED THAT, IN OUR ENABLING LEGISLATION HOLD T IS FIRST RIGHT FOR COMMERCL SERVICES FOR PATIENTS.

UP UNTIL VERY RECENTLY, THE HAS BEEN A PATIENT BO WANTD TO RUN THOSE TOURS, AUNTY WATSON LAST PATIENT THAT IM AWARE OF.

WHO IS INTERESTED IN RUNNIG PUBLIC TOURS THERE.

THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO VIT KALAUPAPA IF YOU'RE A DESCENDANT.

ER BOTH PARKER IS ADVICE AD COULD YOU HANA SERVICE AND COULD YOU HANA KALAUPAPA HT PEOPLE-TO-PEOPLEER COME UP WITH THE GRAVE SITE WHERE S AT OR WE THINK IT IS.

YOU CAN BE THERE IF YOU'RE INVITED GUEST GUEST RESIDE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE USED TO COE TO KALAUPAPA BECAUSE THE PATIENTS WERE SO ACTIVELY INVITING PEOPLE DOWN THERES THEY AGE LESS AND LESS.

OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE HN DOWN KALAUPAPA.

LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO VISIT.

CURRENTLY IF YOU ARE VISIT, LIKE ACTUAL PARK SERVICE VISITOR YOU HAVE TO BE A PK SERVICE APPROVED TOUR.

>>Yunji: THANK YOU FOR THA.

DOCTOR DIANA CHIEF OF HAWAI HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMMUNICE DISEASE AND PUBLIC HEALTH NURSING DIVISION.

DOCTOR STATE HEALTH DEPARTT HAS HAD RESPONSIBILITY FORE PATIENT SETTLEMENT FOR ITS ENTIRELY.

UNDER BILL PASSED LEGISLATE SESSION.

OBLIGATIONS WILL CHANGE CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT AT THE CHANGES NOW PASSED UNDR THIS LEGISLATION.

>> CERTAINLY.

THE LEGISLATION IN HAWAIIEL MET DEFINES DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH ROLE THE A KALAUPAPA FOCUSED PATIENT CARE ACTIVITIES AND TAKING CAREF THE PATIENTS AND INDIVIDUAS WHO LIVE THERE.

AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTUR, WHEN THERE ARE NO LONGER PATIENTS THERE, THE ROLE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH UL ESSENTIAL GOES AWAY.

AND THE CHANGES IN THE BILL WILL REFLECT THAT.

WAY THE BILL IS DESIGNED AS THAT THE CHANGES WILL GO IO EFFECT ABOUT A YEAR AFTER E LAST PATIENT PASSES AWAY, D WILL TRANSFER THE LAST OF H ACTIVITIES AND MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES TO THE OTHER ENTITIES ON THE PENINSULA.

AND I THINK THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FEATURE OF THE SALTSALEGISLATION COUNTY JURISDICTION.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS JURISDICTION AND CONTROL OF KOLO.

A COUNTY.

COTERMINUS BO BORDERS WITH NATIONAL PARK.

UNUSUAL SET UP.

NOWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD WHERE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RUA COUNTY.

THERE WERE REASONS FOR IT R A LONG TIME, BUT THOSE REAS ARE CHANGING AND SO IN THE LATEST LEGISLATION, THE COY JURISDICTION WILL CHANGE TO MAUI COUNTY.

>>Yunji: TALK TO THE HEAD F MAUI COUNTY NOW.

MAYOR RICHARD BISSEN.

STATE DOES PREPARE FOR THE TRANSITION DOCTOR WAS LAYIG OUT THERE, WHAT ROLE DO YOU SEE MAUI COUNTY PLAYING GOG FORWARD AND DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WE KNOW IT'S A YER AFTER THE LAST PATIENT NO LONGER LIVES THERE, EITHER BECAUSE THEY PASSED ON OR BECAUSE THEY MOVED OUTSIDEF THE SETTLEMENT, HOW ARE YOU REAREAP PREPARING FOR THIS TRANSITION.

>> HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS VERY FINGER.

MAUI MADE UP MOLOKAI, LANAI AND KAHO'OLAWE.

KALAWAO COUNTY PART OF MOLI ISLAND.

AND SO I THINK IT MAKES SEE TO MOST PEOPLE THAT MAUI COUNTY WOULD STEP IN WHETHR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IO LONGER.

WHEN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEAH IS NO LONGER OVERSEEING TH.

BUT AS ALREADY MENTIONED, E LARGEST LANDOWNERS THERE AE DLNR AND DHHL.

SO FOR US, IT'S GOING TO TE A CONVERSATION MOSTLY WITHR COMMUNITY AND WE WANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ALL TE WAY THROUGH THIS.

WE'RE PREPARED TO STEP IN AGAIN, IF THERE'S NO ONE E, OBVIOUSLY, WILLING TO DO II DON'T WANT TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE THE RIGHT GROUP TO STEP IN WITT HEARING FROM OUR COMMUNITY FIRST.

AND I MEAN ALL OF THE FOLKN MOLOKAI, AND DESCENDANTS, F THOSE, COULD YOU HANA KALAUPAPA, FOLKS BEEN WORKG ON THIS, FOR YEARS.

WE WANT THIS TRANSITION TOE RESPECTFUL AND COLLABORATIE AND MINDFUL OF THE PRESERVATION OF THIS VERY SPECIAL AINA, AND SO AS THE MAYOR, I DON'T WANT US TO SHIRK ANY RESPONSIBILITIES SHOULD THAT BE SHOULD WE BE THE ONCE CHOSEN TO TAKE IT OVER.

BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY ITS NOT ON AUTOMATIC DECISION.

CERTAINLY NOT MINE TO MAKE ALONE.

WE WANT TO TALK WITH OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS, OUR STATE PARTNERS, BUT MOSTLY, I THK WE WANT TWE TO ENGAGE OUR D ASK THEM WHO IS BEST.

IF IT'S US, WE'RE CERTAINLY PREPARED TO STEP IN.

>>Yunji: ONE PERSON OF COURSE, WHO DOES REPRESENT THOSE RESIDENTS IS THE CANY ROBINSON SO FERNANDEZ REPRESENTS MOLOKAI ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT FROM THE CONSTITUENTS THATU REPRESENT ABOUT SOME OF THR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS TRANSITION?

WE KNOW BASED ON SOME QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING , AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE WRITING, THERE'S GREAT INTEREST IN VISITING AREA,W DO YOU BALANCE POTENTIAL VISITORS AND GIVEN HISTORIC NATURE AND SPECIALNESS OF S PLACE.

>> I WANT TO THANK MAYOR BISSEN FOR ALWAYS DEFERRINO OUR COMMUNITY AND SUPPORTIG WHAT IT IS THAT OUR COMMUNY IS ASKING FOR.

I THINK WHAT WE DISCUSSED S KIND OF FIRST THINGS FIRST.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH'S KULA TO THE PATIENTS, IS COMINGO AN END, AND WE DON'T KNOW N THAT WILL HAPPEN.

MAUI COUNTY IS POSITIONED O QUICKLY TAKE OVER JURISDICTION.

MAUI COUNTY ALREADY HAS JURISDICTION FOR THE REST F MOLOKAI.

SO IT MAKES SENSE.

WE ALSO HAVE MOUS WITH NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, FORE FIRE AND POLICE THAT FIRE AIRED POLICE THAT SK EXISTL EXIST WITH THE DURATION OF LEASE WITH DHHL THERE ARE E IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BEING A MOLOI COUNTY.

WE HAVE SET UP TWO DEPARTMS UNDER MAUI COUNTY.

DEPARTMENT OF OIWI RESOURCE AND DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTE UNDER MAUI COUNTY.

IT IS TAKING SEVERAL YEARSO STAND UP THESE DEPARTMENTSD TO STAND UP A WHOLE COUNTY, MOLOKAI COUNTY, WOULD TAKE SOME TIME.

AND LIKE I MENTIONED, WE DT KNOW WHEN THIS ONE YEAR CLK WILL START.

AND WE AT MAUI COUNTY, THIS WOULDN'T PREEMPT OUR COMMUY FROM BECOMING MOLOKAI COUN.

IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT R COMMUNITY MEMBERS WOULD WAT TO DO.

AS FAR AS PUBLIC ACCESS, TT IS GOING TO BE REALLY BIG DISCUSSION THAT WILL HAVE AFTER THAT.

>>Yunji: DO YOU THINK A YER IS ENOUGH TO DO ALL THE TRANSITION WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE?

SOUNDS LIKE VERY HEAVY LIF.

>> WE DID THE ASK COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND MYSELF,Y OFFICE DID ASK AND WORK WIH REPRESENTATIVE MAHINA TO PT IN A TWO-YEAR TRANSITION.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THE BILL GOT TO CONFERENCE COMMITTEE, IT CHANGED BACK FROM 2 YEARS TO ONE YEAR.

>>Yunji: WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE LANDOWNERS IN THS AREA.

WANT TO SHOW YOU ONE MORE P THAT REALLY HELPS TO ILLUSTRATE JUST WHO OWNS TE LAND IN THIS AREA.

IF YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE SETTLEMENT ITSELF IS THEREN BLUE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IS DHHL LD DEPARTMENTHAWAIIAN LANDS.

T PARCEL.

DEPARTMENT OF LAND AND NATL RESOURCES O OWN LIONS SHARF THAT PENINSULA.

DEPARTMENT HOMELANDS CONTRS 1200 ACRES IN AND AROUND KALAUPAPA MUCH OF THAT UNDR LICENSE WITH THE NATIONAL K SERVICE MAP WE SHOWED YOU EARLIER WHY THE THIS PROGR.

KATIE LAMBERT, DEPUTY TO TE CHAIR OF DHHL, SOME NATIVE HAWAIIANS SEE KALAUPAPA ASA PLACE THAT SHOULD BE ULTIMATELY UNDER NATIVE HAWAIIAN STEWARDSHIP.

WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATIONSE YOU HAVING AT DHHL ABOUT TE FUTURE OF THIS PLACE?

>> YES.

SO WE NEED TO BEGIN CONSULG WITH OUR BENEFICIARIES.

SO WE ARE ACTUALLY, LAST ISLAND PLAN FROM MOLOKAI BECAUSE DHHL HAS OWN PLANNG PROCESS GIVEN ACT, IT DOES ENGAGE WITH REGIONAL PLANNG AS WELL AS ISLAND PLANNING.

ISLAND MOLOKAI ISLAND PLAN 2005.

OVERDUE FOR DISCUSSIONS ABT WHAT THE COMMUNITY AND OUR BENEFICIARIES WANT WITH RED TO KALAUPAPA.

BACK IN 2005, HOMESTEADING THAT KIND OF THING PROBABLY NOT THOUGHT OF.

SO THE ISLAND PLAN DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT LIKE THE SETTLEMENT AREA.

DIDN'T CONTEMPLATE WHAT MIT HAPPEN IF THE LAST PATIENT WERE NO LONGER THERE.

BUT THERE WAS COMMUNITY US.

CONTEMPLATED.

THERE WAS AN IDEA OF HAVING COMMUNITY CENTER BUILT FOR HISTORIC AND EDUCATIONAL REASONS.

SO WE DO NEED TO ENGAGE WIH OUR BENEFICIARIES AGAIN UPDATED ISLAND PLAN, ONE OF THE BIG TOPICS WILL BE LISTENING TO OUR BENEFICIARIES, REALLY, REAY CLOSELY ABOUT HOW THEY ENVISION THE USE OF KALAUPA GOING FORWARD.

THERE IS A DESIRE TORE PERS REVISIT, HOMESTEADING IN TE AREA.

WE JUST HAVE TO BE REALLY REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOE GO AHEAD AND DO THAT POST TRANSITION WHEN IT IS BACKN DHHL HANDS.

OF COURSE WE DO HAVE THE GENERAL LEASE WITH NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

SO THEY ACTUALLY DO MANAGE CURRENTLY DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.

SO IT INVOLVES A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH BOTH OUR BENEFICIARIES AND THEN WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE S FAR AS CONTINUING OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM FOR MANAGEMENT.

>>Yunji: HOW LONG DOES THAT LEASE IN EFFECT?

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS RENEWED REGULAR BASIS OR PERPETUITY?

>> 50 YEAR LEASE.

AND IT BEGAN IN 1991.

AND WILL EXPIRE IN 2041.

>>Yunji: THAT GOOD QUICK MATH THERE.

I LIKE THAT.

THAT IS VERY INTERESTING IF YOU THINK ABOUT FIRST OF AL SENSITIVITY OF THE PLACE.

BUT ALSO, JUST THE DIFFICUY OF ACCESS.

DO YOU THINK IT'S REALISTIO HAVE HOMESTEADING THERE?

>> WELL, THOSE ARE PARTS OF THE DISCUSSION, AND WE DO E MICKEY ALA HERE ACTUALLY LD IN A LIFE, -- THAT LIFE.

SOME OF THIS DISCUSSIONS IS WHILE IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT D HH.

WILL AROUND BENEFICIARIES SHOULD EXPLORE, THERE NEEDO BE SOME REALITY GROUNDED BECAUSE OF THE SACREDNESS D BECAUSE OF JUST LOGISTICS.

I MEAN, PEOPLE WHO ENVISION THEMSELVES LIVING THERE NED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT A DAILY COMMUTE BACK AND FORH FROM TOWN.

AND KALAUPAPA.

AND TOPSIDE.

AND JUST FRAGILENESS OF THE AREA, I MEAN, THERE IS A LT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS SO YOU NEED BENEFICIARIES WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT DEEPLY.

THAT'S NOT HOMESTEADING INE WAY THAT WE KNOWN IT TOPSI.

IT'S A VERY, IT CAN BE HOME TEDS STEDDING OF COURSE BU- HOMESTEADING OF COURSE, BUT DIFFERENT WAY MALAMA THAT PARTICULAR AE AREA.

WE HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES KAHI NUI.

KING'S LANDING BENEFICIARIS DOING IT IN THAT, WAY AND O WE JUST HAVE TO BE REALLY REALLY DELIBERATE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND HONEST WITH OURSELVES ABOUT WHAT IS POSSIBLE FOR KALAUPAPA.

>>Yunji: THANK YOU FOR THA.

DEGRADEY GROUP OF RESIDENTS DESCENDANTS AND COMMUNITY F AS FOCUSED ON PRESERVING HISTORY AND FUTURE OF THIS PLACE.

WHAT WAS YOUR GROUP LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN THERE IN.

>> WELL, I THINK WHAT THE GROUP WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHAT THE PATIENTS WOULD HAE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN.

COULD YOU HANA KALAUPAPA ORGANIZATION THAT WAS, KAUHANA, ORGANIZATION THATS CONCEIVED FOSTERED BY, THE PATIENT RESIDENTS.

IT IS THE PATIENT RESIDENTS ORGANIZATION.

WE JUST, I WAS FOUNDING MEMBER.

ABOUT YABOUT BUT I THINK WT WEBSITE AND ONE OF THE BROCHURES ON THERE IS FUTUE OF KALAUPAPA, AND THE MAIN SUBTITLE WILL THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE FINALLY BE HEAR?

I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORT BECAUSE FOR THE LAST SEVERL YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN A TRANSITION PLANNING PROCESS BEING CONDUCTED AND IT'S BN BY ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.

IT HASN'T INCLUDED TOPSIDE COMMUNITY.

IT HASN'T INCLUDED THE PATIENTS ORGANIZATIONS IN KALAUPAPA.

WHICH HAS FEDERAL, AUTHORIZATION TO OPERATE AT KALAUPAPA.

JUST LIKE MPS.

AND SO I THINK THE MAYOR MENTIONED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

I THINK THAT IS STILL SOMETHING REALLY NEEDS TO E DONE, IS TO GET COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND GET TOPSIDE COMMUNITY AND OTHERS INVOLD AND NOT JUST THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.

AND THIS NEW BILL THAT PASD 1432, SENATE BILL 1432 HE D ANY OTHER FUTURE DISCUSSION TRANSITIONS PLANNING OF KALAUPAPA WOULD INCLUDE KAO HANA KALAUPAPA AND TOPSIDE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION.

THAT IS, MAIN THING THAT NS TO BE STILL DONE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME BECAUSE NOBODY BUT THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE BN INVOLVED UP TO NOW.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER GREAT PAMPHLET OUT THERE CALLED MOLOKAI, FUTURE OF HAWAIIAN ISLAND.

THIS WAS DONE IN 1984 BY GP OF MOLOKAI PEOPLE AND OUTLD THE CURRENT SHORT TERM, LONGTERM, GOALS OF MOLOKAIA MAP.

AND AS YOU KNOW, MOLOKAI IS DIFFERENT FROM EVERY ISLAN.

THEY FOUGHT OFF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT.

NOBODY MESSES WITH THEM NO.

BUT THEY HAVE A PLACE WHERE ALL THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK NOW BECAUSE ITS AMAZING THAT THEY'RE LEAVIG BIG JOBS ON THE MAINLAND COMING BACK TAKING OVER THE SCHOOLS, AND EVERYTHING EL.

AND I ASKED ONE GIRL ABOUTY SHE CAME BACK, SHE WAS MAKG OVER $100,000 A YEAR ON THE MAINLAND, SHE'S MAKING $400 ON MOLOKAI, AND SHE SAID, U DON'T KNOW WHAT PEACE OF MD IT IS TO KNOW YOU CAN RAISE YOUR FAMILY AND LIVE A LIFESTYLE, ISN'T GOING TO E CHANGED BY THE INFLUX OF AT OF TOURISTS OR OTHER GOVERNMENT ACTIONS.

SO THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF E DISCUSSION REALLY HAS TO FS ON.

>>Yunji: THANK YOU FOR THA.

I WANT TO TURN NOW TO ANOTR RESIDENT, MIKIALA, CULTURAL PRACTITIONER FROM MOLOKAI.

ALSO WORKED AS INTERPRETIVE PARK RANGER WITH THE PARK SERVICE AT KALAUPAPA.

FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT EUSH BEEN HAVING DO YOU AGE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS NOT PERHAPS HAVE ENOUGH OF A VE OR HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING AND T ARE YOUR BIGGEST CONCERNS H THIS TRANSITION?

>> I THINK FIRST OFFICE HOS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT FIRST OF ACKNOWLEDGING KALAUPAPA COMPOSITION OF THE KALAUPAA COMMUNITY ITSELF, HAS BEEN CHANGING AND SHIFTING WHERE THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF PATIENTS, NOW WE ARE DOWN A SMALL HANDFUL.

AND IN THAT LAST TEN, 20 YEARS, IT'S REALLY BEEN ALF THE WORKERS, FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, AND R THE PARK SERVICE, WHO HAVE FILLED IN ALL THE ROLES INA COMMUNITY TO KEEP THE FABRC OF, SOCIAL FABRIC IN THE MA AND THE SPIRIT OF KALAUPAPA ALIVE.

AND SO I THINK JUST RECENT, WITH THE DHHL TAKING A DIFFERENT LOOK AT HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO MANAGE THEIR LANDS THERE, IT WAS ENGAGIG THE KALAUPAPA COMMUNITY AND STARTING TO SEE THEM MORE N JUST WORKERS IN THAT WITH E PARK SERVICE, 75% OF THE SF WERE MOLOKAIENS FROM TOPSI, THEIR R TH THEY'RE HAWAIIAL CONSIDERED HOMESTEADERS I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY HOMESTEAD COMMUNITIES WAKES UP MY WHE DUTY TODAY IS TO MAKE THIS PLACE BETTER PLACE.

HONOR COMMUNITY.

IF YOU DON'T DO YOUR JOB YU GET KICKED OUT FIRED.

KIND OF WHEN YOU WALK AROUD KALAUPAPA, THERE'S A PRIDED DEDICATION AND IF YOU LIVE THERE AND WORK THERE, IN A TIME WHERE YOU HAD TO LOOKA PATIENT IN THE ISLAND MAKEA COMMITMENT TO LOOK AFTER TS PLACE, TO REMEMBER THEM, TO STEWARD THEIR STORY AND MAE SURE NOBODY FORGETS, AND TO THINGS IN A VERY PARTICULAR WAY, THEY WANT THE GRASS CT THIS WAY.

DON'T CUT THAT TREE.

THAT'S TELL YOU ALL THE STORIES.

A SENSE OF DUTY AS A MOLOKN THAT THIS IS, MO'OLELO OF S ISLAND BEFORE EVEN THIS CHAPTER OF HISTORY.

MOLOKAI IS CENTURIES OLD GG TO BE AROUND FOR A LONG TI.

PRIMARY STEWARDS OF STORY SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE OF MOLOKAI.

AND SO I'M GOING GOING TO D BE MORE CONVERSATIONS WALL STREET KALAUPAPA COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES TE DAY-TO-DAY.

ALSO GO BACK HOME TOPSIDE O THEIR FAMILIES.

AND THEY SHERR SHA SHARE AF CONVERSATION.

A LOT OF OUTREACH.

BROADER COMMUNITY NEEDS TOE A SPACE HAVE SAFE CONVERSATIONS WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING THE EHA SADNS AND HURT, THAT IS THE LEGAY OF HUSSEY OF KALAUPAPA.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IA VERY SAFE PLACE.

SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS WH ABOUT WHAT THAT FUTURE LOOS LIKE.

>>Yunji: TH THANK YOU FOR T PERSPECTIVE.

YOU DID MENTION HISTORY BEE IT BECAME A SETTLEMENT.

I WANT TO TURN TO HISTORIANERRER DAVIANNA MCGREGOR FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE ETHNIC STUDIES DEPARTMT AT U.H.

MANOA LONG BEFORE KALAUPAPA BECAME A SETTLEMT FOR PEOPLE WITH HANSEN'S DISEASE, PENINSULA HAD OWN HISTORY OWN COMMUNITIES WHT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE THERE BEFOREE SLEMESETTLEMENT AND WHO MAE BEEN THERE?

>> THANK I WANT TO SAY, I E UPON THIS DOING MORE RESEAH A INTO HISTORY OF KALAUPAPA BEFORE THE SETTLEMENT WHEN ASKED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO TRY TO FIND DESCENDANTS OF THE PEOPLE O LIVED THERE BEFORE THE SETTLEMENT WAS SET UP.

BECAUSE THEY ACKNOWLEDGED T THOSE DESCENDANTS MIGHT WAT TO HAVE A SAY HOW THE FUTUE OF THE PENINSULA SHAPES UP.

SO IT WAS AN HONOR TO DO T. I PUT OUT A BROAD NET THROH THE OFFICE OF HAWAIIAN AFFS KOLA.

GOT ALL NAMES I COULD FIND ANYBODY WHO HAD LIVED THERE ANY TIMEER A. PEOPLE APPLYRD LAND AWARDS THROUGH MAHELE TIME.

PAID TAXES ANY POINT OF TI, RECORD THAT IS PARK HAD COLLECTED AND THEN I DID ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO SEE.

I PUT TOGETHER ALL THESE NS AND PUT OUT CALL AND SAY, ANYONE HAVE A CONNECTION?

AND IT WENT OVER ABOUT 3 O4 YEARS TIME, AND MOST OF CAS I GOT BACK OR THE RESPONSEI GOT BACK PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT'S MY NAME.

PROBABLY BE RELATED.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUTY CONNECTION TO THIS PLACE?

AND SO IT SEEMS THAT A LOTF THE PEOPLE ORIGINALLY THERE AND THEN DISPLACED AND DIFFERENT STAGES IN HOW THE PEOPLE WERE DISPLACED, SOME WENT VOLUNTARILY.

FIRST PROCLAIMED.

THAT THIS WOULD BE A SETTLEMENT.

AND THEY WERE OFFERED TO ME AWAY AND A HAD FAMILY ALSON KAUAI OR OAHU, SO FAMILIESE ALL EVERY ISLAND.

NOT JUST ON MOLOKAI.

OR JUST ON OAHU.

AND BUT IT SEEMS THAT WHEN THEY WERE DISBURSED THAT KALAUPAPA BECAME ASSOCIATED WITH HANSEN'S DISEASE, THAT PEOPLE LOST THAT CONNECTIO.

OR NO LONGER PASSED ON THE KNOWLEDGE TO THE NEXT GENERATION.

SO VERY FEW PEOPLE CAME FORWARD AS I SAID.

THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT LAST STAGES OF THE DISPLACEMENT, THERE WAS LAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT ACQUIRED IN WALE EAST END OF MOLOKAI, FAMILS COULD, SELECT WHICH LAND TY WANTED TO MOVE IN.

BUT MAYBE ONLY ABOUT 20 PARCELS THERE AND BY THEN,T AS MANY PEOPLE, A LOT OF TM STARTED TRANSITION OFF.

AND IN THE LAST STAGE, UNDR THE PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENT, AFTER THE QUEEN WAS OVERTHN AND THE PROVISIONAL GOVERNT CAME TO POWER, THAT IS WHEN THE FINAL EVICTION FORCEFUY EVICTION TOOK PLACE.

AND IT ALSO COINCIDED WITHE POLICY OF THE PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENT TO USE THE DESIGNATION AND THE DECLARATION OF SOMEONE AS HAVING LEVE LEPROSY ISOLATE POLITICAL OPPONENTS AND THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE N MANY STORIES THAT YOU HEAR FROM DIFFERENT ISLANDS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY DID T REALLY HAVE LEPROSY.

BUT THEY WERE PROCLAIMED TO HAVE LEPROSY AND BANISHED O KALAUPAPA AS A POLITICAL M. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THT NOW BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING EXPAND NUMBER OF PEOPLE THY WERE ISOLATE TO GO THE PENE INLA NEED PEFN IRCHES LA NEEDED TO-PENINSULA NEEDEDO GET RID OF THE LAST PEOPLE LIVED THERE TRADITIONALLY.

LOOK AT THE RECORD OF KALAUPAPA, I WAS KIND OF REFRESHING MY MEMORY, SO IN THE TIME WE LOOK AT THE TIE BEFORE KAMEHAMEHA, AND HOWE ISLANDS WERE.

>>Yunji: I THINK WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AUDO TROUBLE HERE.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE AT HOME CAN HEAR .

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIME BEFORE KAMEHAMEHA, MOLOKAID BEEN FOUGHT OVER BETWEEN CF OF MAUI, KAHEKILI AND BEFOE THEM AND CHIEFS OF OAHU.

AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO WIN MOLOKAI, CONFLICTS BETWEENE CHIEFS ON THE WINDWARD SIDF THE ISLAND WHICH IS WHERE KALAUPAPA IS, AND W WAI KID CHIEFS SOUTH SIDE AND CONTENDING OVER CONTROL OF MOLOKAI AND AT ONE POINT, E CHIEF OF OAHU ALIGNED WITHE CHIEFS OF THE SOUTH AND THY CONTROLLED KALAUPAPA.

SO KALAUPAPA HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH.

IN THE CENSUS, IN 1841, IF SHOWED THAT 700 PEOPLE LIVG AT KALAUPAPA AND THEN IN 1, WHEN THE MAHELE WAS GOING , AND WHEN THE LAND AWARD APPLICATIONS WOULD HAVE BEN HAPPENING.

340 RESIDENTS IN KALAUPAPA.

AND THOSE WHO AMONG THEM MAKING CLAIMS FOR THEIR PLS OF LAND.

AND IN THE LAND AWARD, CLA, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CULTIVATION OF KALO CULTIVATION OF SWEET POTAT, GROWING UP WITH.

AUKE, THRIVING, COMMUNITY PRIOR O IT BEING SET ASIDE A AS A LEPROSY SETTLEMENT.

THERE WAS EVEN TIMES WHEREI THINK EVEN DURING THE TIMEF HANSEN'S, EVEN AT ONE POINT EXPLOITING POI TO REST OF E NORTH ISLAND.

NORTH VALLEYS ON THE ISLAN.

SO KALAUPAPA ALL OF THE NORTHERN VALLEYS ACTUALLY D TRADITIONAL TIMES WERE MORE POPULATED AREAS BECAUSE THY COULD SUPPORT LARGER POPULATIONS AND SO FOR SEEE KALAUPAPA COULD AGAIN SUPPT A LARGER POPULATION A LOT F STREAMS AND CHANGES, IN THE ECOSYSTEM PROBABLYEL COULDT SUPPORT IT AS IT DID AT THE TIME.

BUT VERY ACTIVE AND THRIVIG COMMUNITY PRIOR TO IT BEING SET ASIDE FOR THAT PURPOSE.

>>Yunji: SO MUCH HISTORY THAT WE HEARD ABOUT JUST IN OUR INITIAL DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT.

I WANT TO GET TO SOME OF QUESTIONS HERE.

REALLY SORT OF EXPLORE TENN REED A FEW.

I WHAT LIKE TO YOU TAKE THS ON.

WHY CAN'T I LIKE DOWN THE TRAIL VISIT $5 MILLION NATIONAL PARK SERVICE NO PUBLIC VISITATION.

SO MANY CHILDREN ACROSS THE STATE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT KALAUPAPA.

IS PART OF FUTURE PLAN TO INCLUDE EDUCATIONAL MATERIS EVEN TRIPS TO THE PENINSUL.

>> I WISH I HAD LEARNED MOE GROWING UP.

FROM KRISTIN.

A NATIONAL CURIOSITY WE ALL HAVE TO THIS PLACE.

YOU SEE THESE IDYLLIC VIDEO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND FACT THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN LAE SCALE DEVELOPMENT MAKES IT SORT OF THIS WINDOW INTO TE PAST.

AT THE SAME TIME, THIS PERN ASKING WHY CAN'T I LIKE DON IT AND TAKE A TOUR ON MY O?

FIGURE OUT WHAT THE A APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF, OUTSE INTERACTION IS WITH THIS PLACE?

>> I'M GOING TO SAY FIRST , MOLOKAI PEOPLE ARE PRETTY PROTECTIVE MOLOKAI PERIOD.

SO THEY SCRUTINIZE EVERYBO.

KALAUPAPA HAS THREE LAYERS EXTRA OF SCRUTINY.

BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL PLA.

AND ALSO, ISOLATION, FIRST OFF, SAME CHALLENGES WE HAE TOPSIDE, ROLE OVER TO KALAUPAPA WITH PO MOKULELE.

VERY LIMITED FLIGHT ACCESS WHEN THE WEATHER IS BAD, IS REALLY HARD TO GET IN AND .

SO ACCESS GOING TO BE FIT D HIKE DOWN A 3-MILE TRAIL, T IS VERY HARD WITH US.

SO -- ARDUOUS.

ACCESS IS ALREADY PHYSICALY DISCRIMINATING IN A LOT OF WAYS AND THEN ON TOP OF TH, ACCOMMODATIONS, VERY SMALL PLACE.

WE DO DON'T HAVE LANDFILL.

WE MANAGE TRASH IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY.

IF YOU THINK OF EVERYTHINGT TAKES TO JUST LIVE DAY TOY LIFE WASTE MANAGEMENT SEPTC SYSTEMS, EMERGENCY RESPONS, AND FOOD, WATER, SHELTER, L OF THAT THOSE THINGS, VERY, VERY LIMITED ACCOMMODATION.

SO THERE IS AS THE POPULATN IS DIM UP DIM INITIALING 10 VISITOR A DAY KOA CAP REMAS ALL OF THE SUPPORT TO ENSUE THOSE THINGS SAFETY AND COMFORT.

POPULATION DIMINISHING,) FR PEOPLE COMING IN.

>>Yunji: WEIGH IN ON THAT ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS F HAVING LARGE SCALE ADVICE VISITATIONTO THIS PLACE.

GO BEIN PWA*RBG AND HELP GK HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ACCS TO THE TRAIL CROSS PRIVATE LAND.

THOSE LANDOWNERS ARE WORKIG THROUGH THEIR OWN PROCESS A WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO HAVE VISITORS CROSS THEIR PROPEY FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOIN.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM BUTI CAN TELL YOU THAT IS PRETTY BIG ISSUE, AND THAT PARCELS PARTIALLY OUTSIDE OF THE II PARK SERVICE BROWN U BOUND.

OUR ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE FR THAT IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED.

INTERESTING NEEDLE TO THRED OVERALL.

BEEN AT THE PARK ABOUT 4-AND-A-HALF YEARS.

BACKGROUND IS EDUCATION I THINK A LOT OF ABOUT REMOTE PLACES, HOW TO SHARE THOSE PLACES WITH PEOPLE.

I THINK TIMELINES HAVE A BG PIECE OF THIS.

PATIENTS HAVE TOLD THEIR ON STORY THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

TOLD A LIMITED PORTION OF T STORY BECAUSE THEY WERE ABE TO TELL THE STORY THEMSELV.

THE PARK SERVICE ITSELF, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, WE PROTECT VERY SPECIAL LAND D THINGS THAT ARE EITHER TIEO REALLY IMPORTANT STORIES OR SHAPED BY THEIR IMPORTANT STORIES.

SO THAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE PRESERVATION HAS TO BE BALANCED WITH THE EDUCATION ASPECT AND AGAIN, CONGRESS PRETTY CLEAR WITH US WHEN E CAME IN IN 1980, THAT SITER INSPIRATION EDUCATION AND RESEARCH.

AND THAT IS PARTIALLY BECAE IT'S BEEN SO PROTECTED.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT TIMELINS LIKE THIS PLACE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, PATIENTS WERE THERE FOR A G TIME, WE'RE STARTING THE TRANSITION MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES MOVING SINCE THE 90s.

BUT ASPECT STORYTELLING THT IS JUST BEGINNING TO TRANSITION.

AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LI?

WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE PAK SERVICE IN THAT?

IT IS HALF OF OUR MISSION.

AND HALF OF THE REASON WE E ENTRUSTED TO COME INTO THIS SITE AND WHAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE AND WHICH STORIS IS TOLD AND HOW THAT STORYS TOLD AND WHO TELLS THAT ST, THAT IS JUST BEGINNING NOWS WE ESTABLISH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PARTNERS WOULD HE ALREADY BEEN TELLING THE STORY, PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO TELL THE STORY, BUT DON'T THINK THE TIME IS RIGHT YE, THE PATIENTS WHO ARE STILL ALIVE AND CAN TELL THEIR STORY.

REALLY SENSITIVE THOUGHTFUL PLACE THAT WE NEED TO STEP INTO AND CONTINUE THAT PUBC DIALOGUE AROUND.

IT'S NOT JUST US.

>>Yunji: I WOULD LOVE FOR O YOU WEIGH IN ON THIS THE.

>> I WOULD JUICE LIKE COMMUNITY OUTJUST LIKE COMMUNITY OUTREACH BIG PART OFEL KALAUPAPA OVER THE LAT FEW YEARS.

RECONNECTED OVER A THOUSAD FAMILIES WITH THEIR DESCENT IT'S AND KALAUPAPA.

AND THEY'VE BEEN, JUST AMAZING, HAPPY EMOTIONAL, WONDERFUL EXPERIENCES.

WE'VE TRAVELING EXHIBITS TT GONE TO EVERY ISLAND.

THERE A BU BI A BIG ONE WID COMMUNITY COLLEGE NOW ROYAL FAMILY ACE COLLECTION TO KALAUPAPA.

WE'VE GONE, TO ALL THE A LT OF THE HAWAIIAN IMMERSION SCHOOLS AND EVERY ISLAND WH BOOKS AND GIVEN OUT BOOKS O THE SCHOOLS ON KALAUPAPA.

AND SO THAT HAS BEEN A BIG PART OF KAUHANA'S MISSION,S OUTREACH AND COMMUNITY EDUCATION BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, PEOPLE, YOU TALK TO PEOPLE 40, 50 YEARS OLD ASK THEM ABOUT KALAUPAPA, AND Y KIND OF DRAW A BLANK.

ANDS JUST NOT TAUGHT IN THL SCHOOLS.

OTHER THING WE'RE WE'RE WN NOW, HOPEFULLY GET IT INTOE SCHOOLS.

>>Yunji: LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> WANTED TO BRIEFLY MENTIN ABOUT ACCESS AND RESTRICTIN OF ACCESS BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A CONCEN FOR MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

WHILE WE'RE TALKING FUTUREF KALAUPAPA I DO WANT TO REUE REMIND EVERYONE WE STILL HE PATIENTS LIVING A AT KALAUPAPA.

GIGIVEN HIS RIN THEIR WISHS DISEASE AND PRI STIGMA.

PRIVACY IMPORTANT THING FOR EXPERIENCED INFECTIOUS DISE AND HANSEN'S DISEASE THAT T ONE IN PARTICULAR.

PATIENTS VALUE THEIR PRIVAY REMISS TO NOT MENTION THAT BIG, PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY'RE SUCH RESTRICTED ACS THERE IS BECAUSE THAT IS TE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE WHO LE THERE AND WHO THE PLACE IS CURRENTLY FOR.

THEY ARE VERY PROTECT TESTD POSITIVE OF THEIR SPACE AND PREUFCY.

PROTECTEDEL PRIVACY WE VALE THAT ON THEIR BEHALF.

>>Yunji: IMPORTANT POINT,ER A LOT OF HE ETIQUETTES COY HE EXA EXAMPLE EXERCISES SE AND HARD RULES A LOT OF IT FOUNDED UPON CARING FOR AND RESPECTING PATIENTS.

AND THEIR WISHES AND NOT WANTING TO TRAUMATIZE THEM BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE LIVE LIFE THE SOCIAL WAY WE LIVE LIFE TODAY.

SO EXAMPLE.

THEY USED TO GET PAI PUNISD NOT HAVING SHOES ON.

SAW IN THE OPENING CLIPS WE TALKED ABOUT THE DAMAGE TO THEIR H HANDS AND FEES DIDT HAVE SENSATION.

HAND AND FEET.

THEY WOULD BE SCOLDED AND E SURE THEY HAD FOOTWEAR ON O THEY WOULDN'T GET HURT WE ALWAYS WALK AROUND WITH OUR SHOES ON, SO THAT IT DOESNT TRIGGER FOR THEM MEMORIES F EITHER SOME UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT HAPPENED TO A A LD ONE TO THEM THINK OF THEMSELFS.

LIGHT OF THINGS THAT JUST BEING PART OF THE COMMUNIT, JUST HOW A LOT OF THINGS, N NEWCOMERS COME, THEY'RE LI, WHY YOU GUYS DO THAT?

THAT'S JUST HOW.

SO WE EXPLAIN BECAUSE OF PATIENTS USED TO ALWAYS MAE US DO THIS.

OR THAT.

HONORED A ALOHA THEM HONORD ALOHA THEM.

HARD TO BRING THAT OUT BIG SOAR SITE BELIEVES IN THEIR RIGHT AND DEMOCRACY.

SOCIETY.

NEED TO HAVE A SAY.

TAKING A VOTE.

NO WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO M LIKE THAT.

THAT'S HOW AUNTY LIKE IT.

E SAYS NO.

THEN IT'S NO.

TOMORROW SHE MIGHT CHANGE R MIND.

FLUIDITY AND JUST GRACE AND ALOHA.

WHEN YOU COME TO LIVE IN KALAUPAPA, YOU EMBRACE THA.

SO NOW, WE ARE THINKING WHT ARE THE THINGS THAT MAKE KALAUPAPA, KALAUPAPA?

JUST HISTORY?

JUST THE LANDSCAPE?

PHYSICAL REMIND REMINDERS?

BUILDINGS AND GRAVE MARKER?

OR IS IT PEOPLE WHO ARE REY LIVING THE HISTORY AND STOY AND ABLE TO SHARE THAT AUTHENTICALLY.

WHEN YOU GET THERE, YOU FEL THAT.

YOU FEEL THE STORIES COME STILL BEING PERPETUATED AND LIVE AND BREATHING AROUND E YOU.

>>Yunji: BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION THANK YOU FOR THAT.

QUESTION HERE FROM ERIC KAILUA.

SHARE WITH US INTERACTIONS WITH PATIENTS AS THEY TRANSITION TO THE NEXT CHAPTER?

HOW CLOSELY ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE FAMILIES AND HOW S THE COMMUNITY COPING WITH THOSE TRANSITIONS?

>> THE PATIENTS ARE PART OF THE FAMILY, AND I'M TREMENS TREMENDOUSLY PRIVILEGED TOE PART OF THAT FAMILY.

THINGS I HEARD FROM PATIENS ARE GOOD DEAL DEEPER THAN A TRADITIONAL CONTINENT DOCTOR/PATIENT RELATIONSHI.

EL THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR J, THEIR FEARS, AND THEIR OHAA FOR THOSE OF THEM THAT DO E OHANA FAMILY, ARE A PART OF THAT INTERACTION.

USUALLY VERY SUPPORTIVE.

EVERYBODY IS BY FIRST NAME.

I'M JUST KALANI.

IT'S NOT DOCTOR KALANI.

IT'S NOT DR.

BRADY.

IT'S JUST KALANI.

WHEN THE CANNONIZATION OF FEATHER DAMIEN WAS ANTICIPATED, FATHER DAMIEN GROUP OF KAN KANE KA CAME Y OFFICERS AND WALKED IN AND SAID, KALANI WE ARE GOING O ROAM FOR THE CON ONIZATION.

ARE YOU GOING TO ROME FOR E CANNONIZATION?

I SORT OF DIPPED I SAID I THINK I'LL WATCH IT ON TELEVISION.

AND IT WAS LUKE, I HAD INSULTED THEIR MOW MO MOT.

ER LEADER OF THIS GROUPER D KALANI ARE YOU OUR KALAKAUA YOU TAKE CARE OF USER WE AE GOING TO ROME.

KAUKA YOU ARE GOING TO ROMO TAKE CARE OF US THERE WERE ABOUT 15 OF THEM.

ROBERT CAZIMERO MER OWE, VY VERY GOOD FRIEND AND I, PUN A GALA FUNDRAISER IN WAIKI, AND RAISED A LOT MONEY BECE OF COURSE THE DOH CAN'T PAY FOR THEIR R ROME TRIP AND Y CAN'T PAY FOR THEIR ROME T. WE RAISED A WHOLE BUNCH AND BISHOP OL LARRY SILVA FROME CATHOLIC DIE OWE ASSIST COVERED OUR AIR FARE.

DESDYE OWE ASSIST, AIR FAR, DAILY TOURS, MASS, VISITINN ST.

PETERS FOR THE CANNONIZATION, MEETING THE POPE, DIOCES, ONE GROUP, AO 550 PILL U PILGRIMS FROM HAWAII FROM ALL THE ISLANDS WENT AS WELL.

WE WERE ONE FAMILY.

AND VERY CLOSE.

>>Yunji: QUESTION KIND DOVE TAILS TO WHAT PROFESSOR WAS SHARING WHO THE DESCENDANTS ARE OF THIS PLACE BEFORE BECAME A SETTLEMENT.

ASKING SHOULDN'T THE DESCENDANT OF THOSE REMOVED FROM THAT AREA HAVE FIRST S AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

FROM KEONE.

CAN YOU TRACE THE LINEAGE F THE FOLKS ON THE LIST TO TE ACTUAL PLACES?

DO YOU KNOW WHO ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THAT PLACE?

>> THE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

THE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY IS ENGAGING NO ADMINISTRATIVE RULE MAKING PROCESSES SO CURRENTLY, WITH THE EXCEPTN OF LANAI, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE THE IDEA CAME FROM, THERE'S A WAIT LIST.

WAIT LIST FAIRNESS PURPOSES GOES BY OLDEST APPLICATION DATE.

THERE ARE OLDER VERSIONS OF HOW THE WAIT LIST WORKS.

MODERN, IT'S ISLAND WIDE WT LIST.

SO WITH REGARD TO, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WITH REGARD TO CERTAIN AREAS LIE LANAI SPECIFIC WAIT LIST JT FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALREADN LANAI -- WERE CONNECTED TO LANAI.

SO THAT IDEA IS BEING CARRD OVER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OTR COMMUNITIES WHERE LINEAL DESCENDANTS OR CONNECTION O THAT PLACE IS REALLY, REALY IMPORTANT, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THAT DISCUSSIONS WITH ACTUY ALSO.

>> LALA.

PUVMENT E ON MOLOKAI.

KING'S AND LING COMMUNITIE.

U ALAUE.

PEOPLE ALREADY LIVING IN HA AND, UNDERSTAND CONDITIONS MUCH LIKE KALAUPAPA, HAVE PRIORITIES.

SO, THERE'S ACTUALLY ALREAY MOVEMENT AND AMENDMENT TO W WE MANAGE OUR WAIT LIST TOY TO ACCOMMODATE LINEAL DISANTDCY.

DEPARTMENT KNOW THAT.

DESCENDANTCY.

ONCE THE RULES ARE PROMULGD LIKE AT THE ADMINISTRATIVED OF IT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S WITH AGING REVIEW AD HAD TO GOT THE GOVERNOR.

ONCE THEY'RE FINAL AND OPPORTUNITIES PRESENTED, TE WHO DO HAVE CLAIMS TO CERTN AREAS AG REVIEW) NEED TO SHOW US HOW.

AND IT WOULD BE PARTF THE INTAKE PROCESS.

SO JUST LIKE NEEDING TO QUALIFY YOUR BLOOD QUANTUM.

PROCESS AND THERE'S PAPERWK AND SO THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL STEP FOR BENEFICIARIES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN AND HAVE LINL LINKS TO THOSE AREAS.

AND WANT TO BE CONSIDERED R THOSE AREAS.

>>Yunji: THANK YOU GOT SOME PRACTICAL QUESTIONS HERE FR MAYOR.

THIS ONE COMES FROM TRENT.

IS THE COUNTY READY TO ASSE RESPONSIBILITY GOING FORWAD WITH FIRE RECOVERY AND TRANSITION OF WATER RIGHTSN CONSTANT FLOODING PROBLEM?

SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO HAND.

SHEILA ASKING, MAUI COUNTY READY TO HANDLE THIS TRANSITION?

WHAT ARE THE COSTS, WHO PA?

WILL OUR PROPERTY TAXES GO?

>> THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTS THAT I MEANT WHEN I SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT DECISIONS THT HAVE TO BE MADE.

AS POINT THE BUT THE BY COUNCILMEMBER, IT WOULD BE LOGICAL THAT MAUI COUNTY, WHICH IS ALREADY MOLOKAI ISLAND EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE PORTION, WOULD BE THE ONE O STEP IN.

BUT OF COURSE, GOT TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE REVENUE SOURCES, FUNDING SOURCES, S RAYRIGHT NOW PARK SERVICE S IN, LIONS SHARE.

WILL THAT CONTINUE?

THAT'S CONVERSATION WE'LL D TO HAVE WITH THE NATIONAL K SERVICE.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WAS HE PART OF THE FUNDING THAT WS GOING ON THERE.

NOT JUST FOR SALARIES BUT T IN ADDITION TO THAT.

IF THEY'RE NO LONGER CONNECTED, WILL THEY CONTIE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT?

DLNR DHHL TWO MAJOR LANDOWNERS.

GOING TO SUPPORT FUNDING?

SO I THINK ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE FAIR QUESTIOS WHICH IS WHY HAVE COMMUNITY EENGAGEMENT STARTING WITH E QUESTIONS PEOPLE GOING TO BRING THAT UP.

WE WANT TO HEAR ALL SIDES.

THIS ISN'T EASY DECISION.

AS FAR AS TIMING IS CONCER, WE DON'T GET TO CHOOSE WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN.

WHEN YOU'RE GOVERNMENT, YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE ON THE NT THING THAT COMES YOUR WAY.

YOU DON'T GET TO SAY, WAIT WE'RE NOT RI ED I GIVE THAT WEEK OR NE NEXT YEAR.

NOT READY CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN CONTROL, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THAT TALKED ABOUT FOR A WHILE.

ALSO BEEN A TIE ANTICIPATES WOULD HAPPEN.

HAVEN'T DONE FAIL FAIL FILN THE DEN DETAILS WE'RE YOURE JUST ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

CURIOUS ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS.

WE'RE THE NO HERE TO TAKE R NOBODY ELSE IN THE CONVERSATION, WE'RE LIKE, F YOU FOLKS WANT US TO DO IT, LET'S TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING REQUE US OR MAKE US ABLE TO DO I. SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUMPING O SOMETHING WE ARE NOT READY FOR.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS START OF THE CONVERSATION.

AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT, MOY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

LISTENING TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS.

WHATEVER LEVEL THEY'RE AT.

GOT TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FROM SENATOR SCHATZ, CONGRESSWON TOKUDA, BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN THIS.

MAYBE THEY CAN HELP US WITH THE FUNDING PIECE.

THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE HAVEN'T YET EXPLORED.

BUT I THINK OVERARCHING THE FOR TONIGHT IS JUST THE RESPECTED THAT WE NEED TO E FOR THEIR ONE OF A KIND PL.

NO OTHER PLACES IN THE WORD LIKE IT.

AND RECOGNIZING THAT SHOULD GUIDE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

>>Yunji: COUNCILMEMBER I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU WEIH IN ON THIS.

>> MAHALO.

MAYOR ABSOLUTEY CORRECT.

IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A CONSTANT CONVERSATION THAT WE'LL BE HAVING WITH THE LARGER COMMUNITY.

I STARTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES AR DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH INTRODUCED SB1432.

AND IN MY COUNCIL COMMITTE, WE DID HAVE TWO MEETINGS, E LAST YEAR WHICH ARE INVITED DEPARTMENTS TO PRESENT THER KULEANA, AND WHAT TRANSITIN LOOKS LIKE FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES.

AND THEN THIS PAST JANUARYE HAD ANOTHER MEETING ON MOLI IN KAUNAKAKAI AND AGAIN, INVITE STATE AGENCY, FEDERL AGENCIES, TO SPEAK TO WHATE TRANSITION WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WHO WOULD TAKE ON THE KULEA AS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH TRANSITIONS OUT.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WOULE TAKING ON OR CONTINUING THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING WH MANAGING THE ROADS AND THE WATER, THE STRUCTURES, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING, ANDR THE COUNTY, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ALREADY HAVE MU TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVE WITH FIRE, AND POLICE AND THOSE MOUS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

WHATEVER COSTING THE COUNTY WHICH I THINK IS MINIMAL DO NOTHING, RIGHT NOW, THAT BT THAT SUPPORT TO NPS IS ALRY IN PLACE.

EVEN BEFORE CALL COULD YOU COUNTY IS INCORPORATE THE O MAUI COUNTY.

KALAWAO, ALSO WANTED TO SHE TO THE QUESTION ABOUT ACCE, I KNOW NATIONAL PARKS TALK ABOUT PARKS, IMPLICATION OF RECREATION.

AND AS EVERYONE SAYING HER, THAT IS NOT THIS SPACE.

THIS SPACE IS FOR SPIRITUALITY, F FOR REVEREF THE HUSSEY HUSBAND HISTORYS PLACE, HEALING NOT FOR EXTRACTION.

THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION DR.

BRADY WAS, DESCRIBING W PART OF THE FAMILY WHY?

BECAUSE HE'S BEEN CONTRIBUTING.

HE'S BEEN GIVING MORE THAN HE'S TAKING.

AND THOUGH WANT HIM TO BE E PART OF THAT COMMUNITY PAR, OF THAT FAMILY BECAUSE HE'S GIVEN SO MUCH.

WHEN PEOPLE ARE THINKING AT ACCESS AND GOING THERE, ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT GIVING?

AND CONTRIBUTING?

OR ARE THEY ONLY THINKING ABOUT TAKING?

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT FOS HAVE TO ASK THEMSELVES.

>>Yunji: I THINK THAT YOU'E ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THAT IDEA OF PARK, THINK OS A PLACE TO RECREATE AND HAE FUN.

VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF PAR.

WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT AD GET TO THE DOCTOR IN THE NT MINUTE.

>> I DO WANT TO GET CONGRESSMAN ESTABLISHED PA.

ESTABLISHED IT SPECIFICALLY FOR P INSPIRATION.

EDUCATION AND RESEARCH.

NOT RECREATION.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS THE E BOOK WE WERE GIVEN NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WENT IN, AND T REMAINS.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WE HE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DO BECAUSE WE REPRESENT AND PROTECT THESE PLACES FOR AL FUTURE GENERATIONS OF ALL PEOPLE.

NOT JUST CERTAIN SMALL GRO.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TT WE WHEN WE'RE DOING WORK THINKING OUTSIDE OF LIKE AL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS.

NOT JUST LIKE A HANDFUL.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AE GO INTO PLANNING PROCESS, E HAD TO INCLUDE ALL OF THAT.

THERE WAS AN OVER TEN YEAR PLANNING PROCESS TO CREATEE GENERAL MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE PARK.

THAT SPEAKS TO THAT IDEA OF KOKUA TO THE PLACE THAT IFU CAN, COME, EXPERIENCE THE PLACE, BE HE INSPIRED BY IT BUT ALSO HAVE A VISION IN T PLAN FOR OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE?

A I WHAT THAT DOES GIVE BAK TO KALAUPAPA THINK THAT'S L NOD TO THE HISTORY OF THE PLACE, AND HOW PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN TO THAT PLACE OVER T. PATIENTS THEMSELVES, COMMUY AS A WHOLE, INDIVIDUALS THT CAME IN TO TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENTS AND TO TAKE CARE F THE LAND AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THE PATIENTS.

BEEN GOING ON FOR 150 YEAR.

SO AGAIN THAT, PLAN EXISTS.

IT WAS SIGNED IN 2021.

ON OUR WEBSITE.

ALWAYS HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT.

AS A MATTER OF FACT TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS NEIGHBORS AND FAMILY MEMBERS, PROBABLY WK US IF YOU LIVE ON MOLOKAI.

TALK TO THEM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PLAN.

IT'S OUT THERE.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO GET TO THE DOCTOR.

FOR SORT OF CLARIFICATION, WHEN THE TRANSITION FULLY HAPPENS, WHAT WILL THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH BE IF ANYTHING?

GIVEN HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEN STEWARDS OF THIS PLACE?

WHAT WILL THE LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT BE OR WILL THEE BE NONE?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE CARE FOR THE PATIENTS.

BUT WE CARE ABOUT THE PATIENTS.

CARE ABOUT THEIR LEGACY.

WE ARE READY AN PHRA*FPB PLANNING TOSUPPORT JURISDICTE COUNTY, NATIONAL PARK SERV, WE INTEND TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE HISTORL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE, T MANY OF OUR ACTIVITIES WILL DECREASE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE WILL NO LOR HAVE SORT OF THE AUTHORITYO RAPTORUN A STORE WHICH WE .

WE WILL, AND NUMEROUS OTHER ACTIVITIES HAS BEEN MENTIO, MANY OF THE.

>> L LARGER ACTIVITIES USEO BE DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT F HEALTH TO MANAGE THE PLACE SOLELY TRANSITIONED TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

CARE FOR THE ELECTRICAL SYM FOR EXAMPLE.

WATER, WASTE, SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH NOW DS NOT DO AND IS JUST THERE FR SUPPORT.

WE THINK EVENTUALLY, OVER EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, BT EVENTUALLY WE ARE UNLIKELYO HAVE STAFF REMAINING LIVINN THE PENINSULA.

WE DO HAVE NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION PROJECTS THAT ARE EXPECTEDO BE MANY YEARS LONG, THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO MANAGE, HP TO FUND WITH STATE RESOURC, AS THEY ARE NOW, BUT THESEE BIG PROJECTS THAT WILL TAKA LONG TIME AND REQUIRE P ADD STATE RESOURCE TO RESOLVE.

SO DEFINITELY STILL BE INVOLVED IN SORT OF REPAIRG AND ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGES,D FIXING SOME OF THE AREAS AD AS SUPPORT AND AS MUCH AS E CAN DO TO HELP MAINTAIN THE LEGACY AND SACREDNESS OF TE PLACE.

>>Yunji: Y WANTED TO WEIGH.

>> I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, KAUHANALEI AEL KALAUA FORMED BY THE PATIENTS.

BERNARD TOOK THE LEAD ON TT HE WANTED ORGANIZATION, IN PLACE MADE RESIDENTS, DESCENDANTS A AND LONG TIME FRIENDS OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE NUMBERS GREW SMALL, THEY NEEDED ORGANIZATION IN PLACE THAT WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEIR VOICES WERE CONTINUE TO BE HEARD.

AND THE LEGACY THEY WANTEDR THE FUTURE OF KALAUPAPA WOD BE OBTAINED AND CONTINUED N PINPERPETUITY.

2008.

SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTIN 208 WAS APOLOGY RESOLUTION SIGNED BY ALL SENATORS TO E PEOPLE OF KALAUPAPA, AND Y, THE ORGANIZATION THAT THEY FORMED AND SO THEIR VOICES WOULD CONTINUE TO BE HEARD, THEY WERE NOT EVEN INCLUDEN THE TRANSITION PLANNING TE.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SEEK THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RESIDENTS.

THEY'RE SO FEW OF THEM NOW.

ONLY TWO LEFT.

AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, COULD WE HAVE A MINUTE OF SILENCE FOR MELE WATANUKI T PASSED AWAY.

HER FUNERAL TOMORROW.

HAD HE WAS ONE OF THE LAST THREE LIVING AT KALAUPAPA.

THE REMAINING TWO ARE 102, JOHN A. RUDA AND WINNIE HARADA WHOS 95.

MAYOR BISSEN INSIDE YOU CAT JUST WAIT AROUND.

SAID YOU CAN'T JUST WAIT AROUND.

DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GO GOING TO HAVE FOR ACT.

COULD BE VERY SOON.

>>Yunji: THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT WITH US.

>> JUST HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR MELI I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

IS THAT POSSIBLE?

>>Yunji: I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE A IS LIMITED TIME.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THOSE NAMES AND SHARING THOSE STORIES WITHS TONIGHT.

I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT THE MAYOR DID SAY THAT THERE IE DON'T GET TO CHOOSE TIMINGS YOU ACKNOWLEDGED A AND IF D COME SOON AND GIVEN THE BI, A YEAR AFTER THAT, TURNS OR TO COUNTY.

SO THESE QUESTIONS HAVE TOE ADDRESSED.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THOSE NAMES ABOUT WITH US AND SHARING THOSE STORIES WITHS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE INCE ENOUGH THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT AND PROFESSOR I WOULD LIKEO TAKE THIS.

AGAIN, GETTING SO MANY QUESTIONS TONIGHT ABOUT ACCESS.

AND THERE IS THIS REAL TENN BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS HAS TE POTENTIAL TO BE A PLACE OF LEARNING.

BUT OF COURSE, HARD A LOT ABOUT HAVING TO RESPECT THE PLACE.

AND ALTHOUGH TRADITIONS YOU OUTLINED FOR US, PROFESSORF YOU WOULD SORT OF GIVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.

PERSON ASKING, ANNUAL PASSE AVAILABLE TO GO TO THE NATIONAL PARK.

SEEMS AL LIKE WONDROUS PLAO VISIT.

LEARN THE HISTORY.

NEED TO BE IN THE PLACE TO UNDERSTAND IT.

NIECE SAYS I GO EVERY THERP SUMMER.

FORFEITURE KALAUPAPA REMAIN KALAUPAPA.

ALLOW FAMILIES LOVED ONES THERE HAD LOVED ONES THERE VISIT.

AND PARTICIPATE IN CARING R THE AINA.

KALAUPAPA SHOULD REMAIN INO IT UP UPPED.

INTEREST UNTOUCHED.

FRFROM TEAR'S A LO LOT SPE HAWAII DEEP HIS ARE.

GIVING PEOPLE ACCESS, LEARN THIS IN THE PLACE AND SPRET EXPECTING THE PLACE.

DEEP HISTORY.

>> HAVE TO LOOK AT YOU HOT PATIENTS HAD WANTED, HOW TE PATIENTS WANTED AREA BE TO MANAGED AND ACCESSED AND RESPECTED THAT ARE ARE.

I THINK THAT RESONATES THRH OUT THE WHOLE PERIOD OF, IS PLANNING PROCESS AT THE PAK HAD UNDERTAKEN.

AND THE PATIENTS WERE VERY CONCERNED THAT SANCTITY OF KALAUPAPA BE PROTECTED AND SUSTAINED.

AND WHEN THE PARK I WAS PAT OF THOSE, WHOLE COMMUNITY, MOLOKAI, ALL TOOK PART OF S DISCUSSION AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD BECAUSE THEY HAD THREE OPTIONS.

ONE WAS VERY LIMITED ACCESS JUST FOR RESEARCH, AND FORI THINK FAMILIES TO GO AND RECONNECT WITH THEIR PLACES WHERE THEIR LOVED ONES WILL REST.

THEN THERE WAS MORE EXPAND ACCESS I THINK SORT OF A LG WAYS, A LONG LINES WHAT ISW EXISTING WITH LIMIT, I DONT KNOW IF IT WOULD STILL BE 0 OR MORE.

THEN JUST OPEN ACCESS.

AND NO LIMITATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT LANDT YOU THINK THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT ARE STILL COMG IN FROM THE RESPONSES WE HD TONIGHT.

WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE LEL OF ACCESS TO STILL MAINTAIN THE SAN SANCTITY OF KALAUPD RESPECTING PATIENTS WHO LIE THERE AND WHO WERE NOT, ISOLATED THERE.

THEY WERE THERE BY, DIDN'TO THERE BY CHOICE.

THEY WERE FORCIBLY ISOLATED AND TO THE PLACE.

WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT AND HONOR THAT GOING FORWARD.

AND CONTINUE TO HOW WOULD E TREAT THE GRAVE SITES OF OR LOVED ONE?

OUR CEMETERIES ARE NOT PAR.

NOT PLACES WE GO TO HAVE RECREATION.

AND KALAUPAPA IS MOST EVERY PLACE PROBABLY HAS SOMEONEO PASSED AND WHO LIVED ONE IS NOW THERE IN THE GROUND.

SO IT REALLY IS A HEAVY RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE BEAO HONOR THOSE WHO ARE RESTING THERE AND LIVE THERE AND PASSED ON THERE.

>> CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO T SHE SAID.

NANCY MENTIONED THAT WE HAE 100 PER DAY LIMIT ON PEOPLE COMING INTO KALAUPAPA.

HASN'T REACHED THAT.

ACTUALLY, WHEN FATHER DAMIN CCANNONIZED MOTHER MARION G TO BE A SAINT.

OVERRUN BY PEOPLE.

COME IN THE DROVES.

NEVER DID GET OVER MORE THN 25 A DAY.

SO NOW, WHY IS THAT?

SO YOU GOT TO FACTOR ALL OF THESE THINGS IN.

IT'S JUST VERY EXPENSIVE PE TO GO NOW, AND HARD TO GET THERE AND SO IT'S GOING TOE A REAL CHALLENGE.

ESPECIALLY ON WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM?

>>Yunji: I WOULD LIKE FOR O YOU TAKE THIS ONE FROM IWA.

HISTORY IS DIFFICULT TO HER BUT IT MUST BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND LEARNED FROM.

WHAT WILL KALAUPAPA BE IN 0 YEARS FROM NOW?

WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE FUT, WHAT WOULD LO WOULD LIKE TS PLACE IN A CENTURY.

>> TOUGH QUESTION.

SEEN SO MANY CHANGES IN THE LAST 15 YEARS.

I HAPPEN TO BE THE LEI KAHF KANANO CONGREGATION ALAN CHUMPLET INHERITING RESPONSIBILITY OF THE, HOLG THAT ROLE IN THE COMMUNITY CHURCH, REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AND WHILE THE PATIT MEMBERS HAVE ALL PASSED AW, WHWE DON'T HAVE NEW MEMBERS JOINING CHURCH.

NOT THAT THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE A ROLE.

PEOPLE STILL COME ON SUNDAU SUNDAY IT'S.

SUNDAYS VISITOR COME.

PEOPLE DAY-TO-DAY COME HAVE QUIET IT TIME OR MEDITATE D COME HERE THE HISTORY.

ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID HIGY AT LOT OFEN TRANSITION HAPN IN OUR COMMUNITY.

HAD A THE LOT OF TROON TRAN HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY.

BAR SHUTDOWN GATHERING AND PEOPLE WOULD, PLAY MUSIC, E HAD TO MOVE THAT OVER TO TE CHURCH FACILITY.

AND THEN WE USE HAVE HAD CONSEKRAFTSHOP PATIENTS WON ALLEL ALL OF THEIR ART AND SOCIALIZE, SELLING ARTWORKO PUT INTO THE, FUND, CRAFT FUND, BUT THAT HAS NOT GONE AWAY AND SO NOW, JUST FOR E COMMUNITY, EVERY HOLIDAY, EVERY TIME WE NEED TO MAKEA BIRTHDAY GIFT OR EASTER DECORATIONS PEOPLE COME TOE CHURCH.

THE LIBRARY IS NOW NOT REAY ACCESSIBLE.

WE BUILT A LITTLE LIBRARY N THE CHURCH.

SO I'M SEEING HOW JUST THES A TRANSITION BUT WHAT IS IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT REALLY WORTH HOLDING ON TO?

DO YOU WANT TO THE LIBRARYO LOOK AT IT LIKE IT'S A MUSM EXHIBIT?

OR DO YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT FUNCTIONING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO YE EVENTUALLY CO LIVE THERE?

HOME HUNDRED YEARS AGO, COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHOEVER THEY ARE UNDERSTAND THE SPECIALNESS, WANT TO HOLD O MATTER WHAT ARE OR SPACE YU OCCUPY, WE'RE GOING TO HONR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THAT SPACE BEFORE YOU.

SO IF YOU LIVE ANY REMEMBER MOVING INTO AUNTY MIRIAM MA HOUSE, PAINTED INSIDE PINKD YELLOW.

LITTLE GAFA LILIKOI KEIKI N IN.

CAKE.

OPTIONS PAINT IT WHITE AND MAKE IT STANDARD AND HISTORICAL.

GUAVA OR YOU HAVE TO, MAINN WHAT THE LAST PATIENT HAD N PLACE CHOSE TO REPAINT IT.

CONTINUE AND PERPETUATE THE IMPPER PET PINCHPINK AROUN.

PART OF COOLNESS WHO AUNTY WAS, OUR PEOPLE WANTING TO MOVE THERE AND IMAGINE THEMSELVES IN THE FUTURE, E YOU WILLING TO HOLD ONTO TE HISTORIC ST STRUCTURE PEOPT TO CHI CHANGE THINGS ALL T. GOT TO COMMIT HOLDING ON TO APPRECIATE.

NOT BEE GRUNLING.

BEGRUDGING.LIVE IN HISTORI, WANT TO CHANGE RAILING OR STAIRS.

HISTORIC PRESERVATION SAYSU CAN'T DO THAT.

REALLY NOT JUST ABOUT THE PEOPLE COMING IN.

I'M MALAMA THAT HOUSE.

MIRIAM FAMILY COMES TO SEE, THEY CAN SEE THAT PLACE THT SHE HEAR THAT RT PAF STORYD SEE IT VERY CLEARLY AND VUY THAT'S OUR GIFT AND KULEAN.

VIVIDLY.

GREATER NOT JUST AS DESCENT I'M SAYING NOT JUST A DESCENDANT OF PARENTS SPEAG ON BEHALF, PATIENTS ALL THE OHANA.

EVEN THE ONES DON'T EVEN KW THEY'RE RELATED TO FORMER PATIENTS.

THAT THEY CAN COME AND THAS UP TO THE KUPUNA TO WORK TR MAGIC AND ALOHA THAT MANA WHICH TRANSLATES BEYOND THE PHYSICAL SPACE.

>>Yunji: I WOULD LIKE TO GT YOUR THOUGHTS WHAT SHE JUST SHARED.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIG IS A PLACE THAT IS FULL OF LIFE, NOT JUST A PLACE, OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A PLE OF LEARNING AND HAS BEEN FR MANY YEARS.

BUT IT IS ALSO COMMUNITY AD HOW DO WE DO BOTH?

>> I THINK SO PRISTINE ANDT IS SO, LOOK BACK IN TIME.

THAT YOU COULD NEVER REPLICATE.

AND THAT IS REALLY ONE OF E THINGS THAT MAKES IT SO SPECIAL.

AND ABLE FOR PEOPLE TO LEAN TO SEE WHAT IT IS.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE 100 YEARS FROM NOW LOOKS EXACTY THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW.

WHOEVER IT IS THAT STAKING CARE OF IT, TAKE CARE OF I, OCCUPYING SPACE OR DOING THINGS, FOR IT TO REMAIN TE WAY IT IS,, SO SPECIAL.

THAT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT, THEY WILL FEEL LIKE OBVIOUY GONE BACK IN TIME.

AND THEN TO HEAR THE STORI, TO LEARN THE STORY SHOULD DEFINITELY BE EDUCATIONAL PIECE TO THIS.

THIS MORE ARLINGTON CEMETEY THAN DISNEYLAND.

YOU'RE GOING TO A PLACE THT HAS MEANING NOT JUST FOR TODAY.

BUT EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT R WHAT STOOD FOR AND YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT EVERYBODY HADO ENDURE TO BE THERE.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED.

AGAIN, NOT MATTER WHO IS MANAGING, WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THES NO WAY TO TO RECREATE WHATS ALREADY THERE.

PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO COME AND HAVE ACCESS AS TAD ABOUT.

IN A LIMITED WAY.

IN A I WHAT TWHAI SET FORTY THOSE MANAGING THAT PLACE.

IN A WAY SET FORTH SO MUCH THAT'S WORLD CAN LEARN ABOT AHISTORY AND OUR OWN PEOPLE SHOULD LEARN ABOUT OUR HISTORY.

>> A LOT OF DEER THERE.

SOMETHING ELSE.

>>Yunji: WHOLE INSIGHTS ON THAT ONE.

THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS HERE ABOUT NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND RELATIONSHIP AND WHETHR THAT LEASE WILL BE EXTENDE.

WE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THAT RIGHT NOW?

>> I DON'T THINK WE HAD THE ABOUT EXTENSION.

I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU BECE IT'S 50 YEAR LEASE, UNDER E LAW, THERE IS AN OPTION TO MATCH IT OUT.

YOU HAVE UNDER THE LAW, MA5 YEAR LEASE OPTION TO EBTSZ TEND IT I THINK EXTEND IT E OF THE THINGS WE DO HAVE TO WITH OUR BENEFICIARIES TALK ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE BECAUSE I THINK THERE MIGHE SOME MISUNDERSTANDING.

I DO HEAR COMMUNITY OUR BENEFICIARIES WHO THEY DONT WANT THE PARK SERVICE TO BN THE PICTURE, WE HAVE TO HAE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR BENEFICIARIES ABOUT WHY THT MIGHT BE.

OF COURSE, FROM DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT, INSTITUTIONAL STANDPOINT, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH NPS HELPG WITH THE DAY TO DAY MANAGEMENT, SO WHEN IT COMS TO THE QUESTION OF COST, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO DHHL AND OTHER STATE AGENCIES LIKE BECAUSE THE COUNTY WANTS TO KNOW AD THEY WANT TO KIND OF QUANTY WHAT IT MEANS.

BUT IT'S REALLY HARD FOR DL BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BECAUSA LOT OF THAT OPERATIONAL COT IS ACTUALLY BORNE BY NPS THROUGH OUR GENERAL LEASE RELATIONSHIP.

SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY BENEFITS FROM DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT WITH THE RELATIONSHIP AND I THINK TE IS DESIRE TO EXTEND IT BUT THERE ARE WE DEFINITELY HAE TO BE SENSITIVE TO OUR BENEFICIARIES AND HAVE MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH THEM ON TH.

>>Yunji: COUNCILMEMBER?

PLEASE WEIGH IN.

>> WANTED TO ADD ABOUT FIVE EAYEARS AGO GROUP OF BENEFICIARIES AND DHHL DID WORK TOGETHER WITH THE BENEFICIARIES TO EXPLORE ENDING THE LEASE WITH NATIL PARK SERVICE EARLIER THAN E 50 YEARS.

THERE WAS A DESIRE TO, I UNDERSTAND THAT IN 1980, TE WAS A FEESABILITY PLAN AND RESIDENTS, DID KALAUPAPA DD SUPPORT NATIONAL PARK SERVE CONGRESS DESIGNATING KALAUA NATIONAL PARK, AND THEN NPS MANAGING THE INFRASTRUCTUR, STRUCTURES, AND THERE WAS A DESIRE TO OR EXPECTATION OF JOB CREATION FOR FOLKS AT KALAUPAPA, AND TOPSIDE MOLOKAI.

I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS JUST AS MAYOR, WAS SAYING ABOUT PROTECTING OUR PLACE.

AND THEN HAVING MORE DECISN MAKING AT HOME, AND OVERSIT OVER SOME OF THE PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD.

UNDER 2017, THERE WAS EFFOT TORE EXTEND THE RUN WAY.

WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A NED FOR REVENUE.

WE KNOW THAT TOURISM IS POTENTIAL FOR REVENUE.

AND SO FOR THOSE OF THE BENEFICIARIES, FOR THE RESIDENTS BS TOPSIDE MOLOKI LIKELIKE TO KEEP DECISIONMAKING AT AT HOME S MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WE LIKE TO) IF THAT DECISIN MAKING IS ALL THE WAY IN D, THAT IS TOO FAR.

IT NEEDS TO BE HOME RULE, D THAT'S HOW WE LIKE IT ON MOLOKAI.

AND MAYOR BISSEN SUPPORTS T HE DAO DECISION WHERE THE RESIDENTS HAVE THAT AUTONOY OVER OUR HOME AND ABLE TO PROTECT KALAUPAPA IN THE WY THAT IT SHOULD BE.

>>Yunji: THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION HERE.

FROM JULIE IN HONOLULU.

WHO TAKES DARE CARETAKER PROPERTY AROUND BUILDINGS ONCES DEPARTMENT OF HEALTHS NO LONGER RESPONSIBLE?

WE KNOW THAT YOU HAD SAID A LOT OF THOSE DUTIES ARE ALREADY TRANSFERRED TO PARK SERVICE DOES THAT YOU THE ULTIMATELY TO GO TO THE COY OR PARK SERVICE AND COUNTY?

QUESTION ABOUT RESPONSIBILY OF THE BUILDING THEMSELVESF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF.

>> BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE ACTUALLY ON OWNED BY STATE AGENCY LAND.

BUT DHH ALL RIGHT.

AND DLR LAND.

TECHNICALLY OWNED BY THOSE AGENCIES.

DHHL AS MUCH AS LAND CAN BE OWNED OF COURSE,.

BUT THROUGH THEIR AGREEMENT WAS THE NATIONAL PARK SERV, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE MAINTAINS AND MANAGES THOSE STRUCTURES.

SO EVEN NOW, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH ONLY MANAGES AND UP KEEPS REALLY SMALL PORTIONF THE TRANSIENT ACCOMMODATIO.

STRUGGLE U STRUCTURES EMPLOYEES LIVE IN AND PARES HOUSE IT'S.

AND OTHER STRUCTURES ESPECIALLY THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES ARE MAINTAINED D MANAGED BY THE NATIONAL PAK SERVICE.

THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO REJUVENATE HISTORICALLY REJUVENATE THE BUILDINGS AD HAVE DONE JUST FANTASTIC JB OF BRINGING SOME OF THE PARTICULARLY MORE PUBLICLY USED BUILDINGS BAC BACK LI.

IN THAT SENSE REALLY NOT TO MUCH WILL CHANGE DEPARTMENF HEALTH IS NOT PRESENT THERE EVENTUALLY MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE OF THOSE STRUCTURES AND MANAGEMENT F THAT WILL MOST LIKELY CONTE WITH NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

DEPENDING ON THEIR AGREEMES WITH DHHL L AND DLNR.

>>Yunji: REALLY QUICK.

>> COMMON, MISCONCEPTION.

REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU SHARE THAT MAP AT THE BEGINNING.

SO MOST OF INFRASTRUCTURE S ON DHHL LAND.

THAT AGAIN, THEY'RE LIKE A THIRD OR LESS LAND OWN OWNR IN THAT LOCATION.

WE ONLY HAVE A LEAST.

WITH DHHL L. A LEASE.

AS NATIONAL PARK SERVICE OR BYE BOUNDARY IS MUCH BIGGE.

PUBLIC LAW CREATED A NATIOL PARK U.S.

CONGRESSIONAL LE, SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND EVN IF THAT LEASE NO LONGER EXISTS, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PRESENCE STILL DOE.

WHAT NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PRESENCE LOOKS LIKE, GOING INTO THE FUTURE,ER THERE'SO MANY OPTIONS ON HOW TO MANE NATIONAL PARK, I DON'T KNOW THINK THAT IS TALKED ABOUT ENOUGH BECAUSE THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN THAT SPACE.

FOR GENERAL MANAGEMENT PLAN SETS VISION FOR WHAT IT WIL LOOK LIKE BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE A BLUEPRIT FOR HOW THAT WORK IS DONE.

AGAIN, OUT OF OVER 430 SITS ACROSS COUNTRY, SO MANY EXAMPLES OF WAYS PARKS ARE MANAGED.

THAT EXERCISE MORE LOCAL CONTROL.

INVOLVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT PARTNERS, UNIVERSITIES AND LANDOWNERS.

I THINK SOMETIMES THERE ISA MISCONCEPTION THAT SO IF TE LEASE ENDS, WE WOULD CONSIR THOSE HOLDINGS O PRIVATE PROPERTIER INSIDE THE PARK BOUNDARY JUST CHANGING OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THAT PARTICULAR SPACE OF LAND.

>>Yunji: REALLY IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION.

I WANT TO GET TO PROFESSOR BRIEFLY ALMOST OUT OF TIME.

GOES SO FAST.

HISTORY AND CULTURE BEING SHARED TONIGHT IS CAPTIVE ATING.

NO IDEA WANTED TO LEARN MOE WHERE CAN I GET THAT INFORMATION?

SHOULD BE PART OF HAWAII HISTORY CLASS WHERE IT'S LT FOURTH GRADER LEARNING ABOT THIS NOW I THINK OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE SPAS REALLY SORT OF GLOSSED OVEA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

RECALL SOCIAL STUDIES.

WHERE DO YOU RECOMMEND PEOE GO TO RECALL WANT TO LEARN MORE.

>> WEB SIEVES I CAN'T      R REMEMBER, WEBSITES DAUGHTE.

>> 650 PAGE BOOK ON HISTORF KALAUPAPA.

IT WAS BOOK OF THE YEAR IN HAWAII FEW YEARS AGO.

IT'S WRITTEN BY ANWAY LAW.

GIVES A LOT OF AGENCY TO TE PATIENTS.

AT THE TIME.

SO A LOT OF HISTORY COMES DOWN.

KIND OF SKEWED BY THE CATHOLICS AND CHRISTIANS.

BUT THIS LOOKS AT PATIENCED AGENCY THEY HAD AND ORGANIG THEMSELVES.

AND TAKING THE ORGANIZATION AND SOCIAL POWER INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.

AROUND I THINK LOOK AT KALAUPAPA, IT HAS SUCH A LAYERED HISTORY.

SO THE HIS RIF HADRY OF PED THERE, INCU COLTED CULL V, HONORED GODS LIVED THERE.

IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE LAND CULTURE VALUATED LAND CULTIVATED, BEING BEINGS DISDISRUPTIVE PATIENT.

FORD ISOLATION OF PEOPLE, T TRAGEDY THEY SUFFERED.

BURDENS FORCED ISOLATION BECOME PAT OF THE LAND WHERE YOU CAN'O BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WAY IT WAS BECAUSE SO SO OVER BURDENED WITH HUNDRED YEAR HISTORY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE AND DIED THERE.

NOW, AS WE GO FORWARD, WE E TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT LUI HISTORY.

TALKING ABOUT HAWAIIAN CONL DHHLER PENINSULA IS NOT JUT KALAUPAPA OF ALSO MAKANA LU AND KALAWAO.

SO HAWAIIANS CAN BE SETTED HOMESTEAD THERE.

SETTLED DOESN'T MEAN MAKANA LOU A AND KALAWAO CAN'T HAE OTHER PURPOSES AND OTHER FUNCTIONS.

SO PENNEY' PEFN ILLNESS LAN THE AREA KALAUPAPA DEPARTMT OF HAWAIIAN HOPED LANDS.

PINS ILL PENINSULA.

WHOLE AREA MINDFUL OF THE PARENTS ESPECIALLY.

LOOK THAT LAYERS HISTORY.

MINDFUL PATIENTS.

BE SIRI BE RESPECTFUL.

>> PATIENTS WRITTEN AUTO BY OWING RAY IF IS.

READ THEIR STOURS F THEIR Y IS BEFORE YOU READ PEOPLE'S INT PRET INTERPRETATION STT THERE.

BE CAREFUL HISTORICAL FICT.

SOMETIMES EMBELLISHED HAWAI STATE AIR T TIF KIEFS PUT E BETA SUPREME COURT HE IS TO KALAUPAPA RECORDS.

PUT ONLINE ACCESS.

LOOKING OWN FAMILY MEMBERSA LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BEIG ASSESSABLE ONLINE.

>>Yunji: STAY WITH YOU.

LOVE FOR YOU TO TAKE THIS QUESTION TO KIND OF CLOSE S OUT.

HOW MANY PEOPLE BESIDES LIE OF PATIENTS LIVE IN KALAUPA CURRENTLY.

>> 72 OF THE LAST TSUNAMI VACCIEVACUATION EXERCISE.

GOT TO TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER.

I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE THEE NOW, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE LIVING AND LIKE STEWARDING THIS SPACE ON A DAY-TO-DAY.

SEE THE VERY INCREMENTAL CHANGES HAWAIIAN LEVEL.

THAT JUST RELATIONSHIP.

AND REALLY PEOPLE THERE MOF THEM ARE VERY OPEN SHARING THOSE EXPERIENCES WITH AS Y PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THING INHERITED FROM PARENTS IS E AND CONCERN FOR ANYONE COMS EVERYBODY PATIENTS WANT TOE HOSHOSPITABLE SAFE LO LOOKR PROPERLY ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE MEANT TO, HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THAT AD CARE FOR ANYONE COMES TO KALAUPAPA IN THE SAME SPIR.

ER QUICK, THINKING ABOUT Y. MAYOR, ACE MAUI COUNTY RESIDENT CERTAIN THINGS THT WE EXPECT OUT OF OUR COUNT.

SERVICES THEY PROVIDE.

LOOKING AT WEST OAHU IS HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO, ART RESIDENTS KALAUPAPA IN THE FUTURE.

ENGINEERING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

>>Yunji: I LOVE OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

COMMENT HERE HENK DO THIS PROGRAM AGAIN.

ONCE IT IS APPROPRIATE.

NOW THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE AE OF THE SITUATION.

I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MORE INPUT.

WE KNOW THAT THERE THE STAT OF CONVERSATION CERTAINLY T THE END.

MAHALO TO OUR GUESTS.

TO MAHALO TO YOU AT HOME FR SHARING YOU ARERS P PERSPECTIVES TONIGHT.

AS WE HAVE HEARD KALAUPAPAS MUCH M MORE THAN HISTORIC .

IT IS A PLACE SHAPED BY PA, RESILIENCE, AND COMMUNITY─- AND NOW, A PLACE SOON ENTEG A NEW CHAPTER.

THE DECISIONS MADE IN THE YEARS AHEAD WILL HELP DETERMINE HOW HAWAII CARESR THIS LAND, HONORS ITS HIST, AND CARRIES THESE STORIES FORWARD.

NEXT WEEK, WE'RE BACK TO INSIGHTS KICKING OFF OUR ELECTION COVERAGE AHEAD OFE AUGUST 8TH PRIMARY.

WE'LL START WITH THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR STATE HOUSE 28 WHICH INCLUS THE AREAS OF SAND ISLAND, IWILEI AND CHINATOWN.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M YUNJI DE NIES.

UNTIL NEXT TYPE, THANKS NOR JOINING US.

ALOHA AND GOOD NIGHT.

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